The Power of Technology in Weight Management: A Personal Story

I've been using My Fitness Pal, a calorie tracking app, since my bariatric surgery. It's helped me not only keep track of my calories but also adjust my intake based on the amount of exercise I'm getting. Recently, I discovered that I was missing out on a significant number of calories due to not having this feature enabled. When I turned it on, the app calculated that I had shorted myself around 700 calories that day, which is equivalent to an entire meal and a half. This realization made sense to me as I was feeling run down and miserable, likely due to insufficient calorie intake.

Adjusting my calorie intake based on this new information made a significant difference in how I felt throughout the week. It's clear that having this technology linked can make a huge impact on weight management. The problem is that I had to actively figure out how to enable this feature myself, which could be seen as an unnecessary step. Ideally, it should just happen automatically for users.

Apple's stance on data privacy is a significant factor in my opinion. With the company's emphasis on user protection and security, it's reasonable to assume that such features would be integrated more seamlessly into their apps. As developers continue to improve and integrate more foundational technology with Apple's offerings, we can expect to see this kind of functionality become even better and more prevalent.

The future of smartphones is exciting, with the prospect of force touch interfaces becoming a reality. This feature has the potential to revolutionize the way we interact with our devices, making it possible to access certain functions with ease. The idea of being able to tap on buttons or menus without needing to navigate through multiple layers is already a welcome innovation. Adding pressure sensitivity and multi-touch capabilities would take this to an entirely new level.

The camera on my iPhone is still impressive despite the advancements in smartphone technology. It's reliable, takes decent photos, and is even better at capturing images in low-light conditions than some dedicated cameras. The megapixel count isn't as significant a factor as I'd like it to be, but being able to downsample and capture high-quality images from lower resolutions would be a game-changer.

Unfortunately, our podcast recording session was disrupted by technical issues, with Serenity experiencing internet connection problems before dropping out of the call. This forced us to pause and resume multiple times, but we were eventually able to salvage some of the episode. It's moments like these that highlight the importance of having reliable equipment and a strong support team.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone it is July 10 2015 I'm Renee Richie and right now we're going to talk about Apple music Apple watch and a bunch of other fun stuff because this is the imore show joining me this week joining me this week all the way from the Cape of cod we have Peter I was about to call you Peter flar again I'm so panicked about getting your username wrong that I've tattooed it into my brain stem well that's good then my work here is done Renee so you are not in Cosplay today even though the San Diego Comic convention is in full effect yes but I am wearing my Kaiju shirt oh all right that is your your your bit of solidarity yes also joining us we have Serenity Caldwell How Are You Ren hello folks and we have Georgia D how you doing Gio I'm good so we're doing a Roundtable show this week and that means we pick a couple topics and we sort of share our opinions our views our experiences and the first one the obvious one right now is that we've each had about a week and a half now with apple music Apple's entry into the streaming uh music space uh so I wanted I was kind of interested to know how you're using it what you think compared to when you first started using it if you like it better if you like it worse if you like it different let's start with You Ren because you have spent mostly the entire week writing about it um I still really like it I'm in the middle of writing a piece right now on how awesome it is in the car specifically uh the new Siri features basically make this the best possible music DJ of my life while I'm commuting between where I live now and where my practice space is when I have an hour and a half drive it's like yeah I can Groove out to whatever I want this is awesome I can switch from beats one I can pop over to like the Ramones I can Listen to Smashing Pumpkins I can listen to Ellie Golding I just have to tap the thing and be like play me some of this I don't like this play me more of this play me less of this it's so nice it and it's so less fiddly than all of my music situation my music Solutions have been up to this point in the car I like it anything that allows me to press buttons and like try and Fiddle with my phone while I'm driving less is awesome I prefer not to be fiddling at all and this get absolutely ah see I never even thought of trying that yeah play beats one it says beats one live and direct to you nice that's awesome I love that so yeah you can launch you can launch any of your iTunes radio stations you can play around with your current music you can investigate the Apple music library I've done crazy things like um play like play me that song from Tomb Raider play me that song I I did I did once say play me that song uh by The Decemberists with the boat in it and I didn't quite understand that made me very sad understandable I wouldn't be I wouldn't know which song you're talking about either yeah exactly well it's that the kind of command that I would give to like a music friend or like a or like somebody when I'm watching when I'm watching a television show was like what is that actor but the fact that like Siri Siri has gotten so good on the music scale that I felt comfortable asking at that and expecting that maybe it might maybe I might it might just work yeah exactly exactly so I'm like you know what it's really impressive Renee was like totally wowing me when he was like you know play Billy Jean from this era and then he's like play Billy Jean from Glee and yes that was amazing so you're right it the honest version of the story is I I brought the iPhone to Georg Georg is always a skeptic Georgia's natural inclination is to say no it won't work it's it's terrible and you're you're a horrible person so I I took the I said Play Smooth Criminal started playing Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson I said play Smooth Criminal by Alien Ant form started playing it I said play Smooth Criminal by Glee started playing George's face just widened up and then then she punched me really hard for some who says that he's not really that into music you know an awful lot about weird covers of Smooth Criminal well I was doing it for an article I wrote an article about what Siri can was interested if Siri could actually find covers of Articles so I did this whole thing and that was just an easy example because I could find three covers to it and then I got hit yeah now you have a bruise to remember that by ah it's Operating Conditioning i w be afraid to look I know that when you go for the Glee version of anything you get P you get punched step away yeah but that George that was sort of a turning point for because you like you you've heard about these streaming services you've you like I know you use Siri but you seemed uncertain at first yeah I wasn't so sure that I was going to enjoy listening to Apple music it seemed to me like it was going to be a lot of work and I you know I have radio stations and I have my music that's really the way I listen to music and so because it was free a really smart play on Apple's part I was like you know what I'll test it out this out and see if I like it and not only do I like beats one which I completely did not think I would um her her smooth English voice is fabulous so she's my favorite DJ but it it's just um I like even the curated music for you so I I'm like oh my goodness these playlists are really good this is music that I would not have thought of listening to before and I love the fact that even when I'm on Beats one if there's a song that I like I don't have to launch Shazam on my watch to figure out what's on my phone it's already there and I can just add it to my music with a touch of a button um and that was really cool so I'm I'm enjoying all the different features that Apple music is giving me except for one thing it is a mess to look at the screen and I find that a little bit stressful and a little bit difficult to figure out where am I and what you know like so I think that they need to uh update and just kind of clean it up a little bit so like when it says launch like listen now to beats one I would love that to also be the button that I can stop beats one with and um like just other things so I can find my way around a little bit because I do find that a little stressful we have a real time followup Lee Richards says that play beats one isn't working in the UK I wants to know if I can see if it's working in Canada so let's just try that now play beats one you need to sign in to use iTunes radio oh so maybe that's maybe that's a US feature right now we will investigate this we will get a common answer for the queen I will say that the first time I tried to launch it um on on my iPhone 6 it gave me that response and then I went into music and played beats one from there and the to oh we lost you for a second Ren play beats one you need to sign in to use iTunes radio that's my Jarvis voice you you switched Siri to sound like Jarvis I did did did you yeah oh yeah oh yeah no question Paul betney better be getting royalties that's all I'm saying all right so uh yeah so we will investigate that Lee and get back to you for both Queen and Country um Peter what's your impression so far a week later well uh a lot of what I've been doing has been on the Mac side um as opposed to using it in Iowa although I've certainly dabbled with it in iOS too um and you know my enmity towards iTunes has a long and story history I've been writing about how much I hate iTunes for about as long as I've been writing for imore um and uh Apple music adds yet another layer of icing to the poop cake that is iTunes it's just it's a horrible user experience I really wish that Apple would just go back and start with a clean sheet of paper or a clean xcode project I've written about this before um I just I'm so sick and tired of how much of a motani stew iTunes is you know it it just there's so much piled on that makes it so hard to navigate having said that I think I understand conceptually what Apple's trying to do here and they're really trying to blur the line between apple music as a service and what your music is um and I've got to admit that Apple music has enabled me to add a whole ton of stuff to my library that I didn't have before you know I have quite an extensive wish list on iTunes and eMusic um which are the two music services that I download uh most of my music from of stuff that I would have liked to to have gotten but didn't have the budget to get didn't have the wherewithal to get whatever and I've been able to add all that stuff plus a lot more just in the last week um to my music and you know when I when I go out for uh uh my daily uh my daily walk or or you know if I'm if I'm uh working around the house um all this stuff kind of helps me get through my day in a way that I really didn't have before um so I'm very excited about that however there are a few shortcomings just besides I the iTunes mess on on the Mac that I'm a little unhappy with for example I set up a family sharing account um so we could use uh so my wife and my three kids could use iTunes but um my two of my kids are going to have very limited access to it because they both use Windows phones so if unless you are completely plugged into the Apple ecosystem uh you're you're missing out a little bit here um and you know that was their decision to get Windows phones because they didn't want to spend a lot on devices um because uh you know they were able to get devices that suited them uh for um uh without having to you know Finance them through the carrier or whatever um and as a result they're kind of left out of the the loop here um my wife uh tried to sign into um uh the the family sharing plan and get iTunes uh uh cloud music or whatever it's called this week working all of a sudden to run into some errors and that's because she exceeds the 25,000 song limit now I know that Eddie Q has said that hopefully by the time ios9 launches uh later this year that's going to be lifted from 25,000 to 100,000 songs and that will certainly take care of it but right now that means in order for her to get the most out of um uh music she's got to cut up her Library into something smaller than 25,000 songs and she's not willing to do that right now because a dumb question Peter so the 25,000 that's for stuff that's not in the iTunes catalog so you and Bonnie both have that much music that's not contain sorry in the Apple music catalog I've got about 22,000 songs in my library she's got about 36,000 songs in hers we've been collecting music both of us since we were teenagers and we never get rid of anything I'm just amazed that Apple doesn't have those songs like I I I'm very limited in my music well we both have very eclectic tastes you know and I mean sure you know there there's some there's some crossover there but uh uh the fact of the matter is you know Bonnie especially listens to a lot of stuff that you can't find um in the iTunes Store at least in the American iTunes store she listens to a lot of music from Japan for example um and that's stuff that b LS doesn't show up and quite frankly that was a disappointment of mine too because um uh you know I wanted to a lot of stuff that I couldn't you know connect is really cool but right now connect has very limited utility I don't mean to you but I want a lot of these things I want to separate and actually talk about because I think they're super fascinating uh going back to the iTunes thing for a second this is my wish uh I I'm hoping Beyond hope that Apple takes uh iTunes and makes an iTunes for the for iCloud so that you could basically access anything that you have the right to access on the web the same way you can do I work for iCloud now and that way they could just sort of offload support for Windows to the cloud they won't have to make iTunes for Windows anymore you could just open your web browser and yeah Windows people might hate it but they hate iTunes already so it's not a huge loss for them but it would enable us in case of emergencies like us being anybody any human being to get to anything that we have anything we want to watch anything we want to listen to in a web browser if we had to but it would also mean that they no longer have to Port iTunes to Windows which means that iTunes for Mac wouldn't have to be this bundled um this this bundle of functionality you could have a syncing program a music program a video program or radio program the way you have on iOS which doesn't get ported uh and I think that I see you nodding already R but I think that would restore some order to the universe some much the force yeah um I'm I'm kind of hoping that we'll see that down the line I mean when you consider it most streaming services have a web component and have an ability to access all of those tracks via the web Apple has been actually really good about connecting their cloud services to the web in recent years including uh iCloud photo library which of course you can now access photos.app on icloud.com so I'm kind of hoping that that's a that's point1 feature for music like that's gonna happen um and also I really really really really really hope that a music.app redesign is coming for OS 10 because I agree with Peter iTunes is a little bloated and buggy what about um what about you Georgia does it affect you in any way like do you do you even use iTunes on the desktop no I don't I don't I I never do so for me it really doesn't make any difference but I'm sure that lots of people really do I work on my my desktop so like on and for me it's just I I bring my air to like around with me to work and other things but if I'm going to listen to music it's going to be on my phone so interesting well that's the problem for you Peter if they got if they moved a lot of functionality to the cloud and and then broke up the components I think we we lost Peter I angered him so much by talking about iTunes that Google PR him disappeared into the void hopefully he'll be back in a couple minutes uh so Beats Radio specifically I I've been listening to it I have a confession to make I actually like the DJs so much that I want to hear more of them and less of the music like I I would love to hear there's interview St but I would actually love to hear like a I don't know version of The View with Zan low and a couple of the other DJs where they talk about music and talk about the bands and maybe play a couple songs but also we get like a lot of Rich discussion about it and about the artists with the occasional guests dur like almost like a podcast maybe on Beats one is that an insane idea yeah well I mean no I mean we we've seen that to a certain extent uh St Vincent put out her conversation with Piper in like a podcast type form in Connect and that was a it was so cute uh so I wouldn't I'm not actually um opposed to the idea of like pseudo pod I think connect is where they're going to launch it because again if they're if Apple's trying to figure out a way to make beats one sustainable long term assuming that the cost of running it is not built into Apple music subscriptions which may or may not be um but you know you're talking about extra money for royalties when you're running radio songs you're talking about paying DJs you're talking about renting Spa so like let's assume that they are looking long term they need a little bit of Revenue that that's not just Apple music subscriptions um I'm I'm assuming that like or rather I'm assuming that they're going to use connect with Beats one to sell Apple music subscriptions basically being like yeah you can listen to beats one for free but if you want to catch that awesome interview that you missed or see this great playlist or any of this stuff you need to subscribe and you need to be a paying member because otherwise otherwise you just don't I I think it's a great I I I'm really impressed with the choice that Apple made on the DJs they are absolutely amazing I really enjoy listening to them I love the music that they choose I love the way that they put it together I find them really really soothing and I didn't expect that you have three people I was like the CH chance that they will be someone that will pick music that I enjoy that this is going to be a fun experience for me would be very little they did a fabulous job and I don't know if I would listen to a podcast with them but I might which I I don't listen to a lot of podcasts I don't have a lot of time so um but you should everyone else should listen to a lot of podcasts we talked about it on macbreak this week Georgia but I'm interested in your take like would you be interested the Beats one has a lot of like a genre is great and that's that's fantastic but would you also be interested in maybe depending on your taste a beats 2 That's Country or classic a beats three That's Heavy Metal um would you like more variety more stations I would I think that and I think that if if if beats onean is as successful and it continues to be sustainably successful I think that that would be a great idea so I would love to have you know just something that would be an alternative station or dealing with rock station um and I think imple Power Hour right right exactly and then I know either when to tune in or I know which station I can go to all the time to have you know great curated new alternative music that I might not have already gotten to or new rock music that I Haven already listened to and again then I can add it to my own library and listen to it whenever I might want to which is just such fun have we ever I don't has anyone ever had a beat song they couldn't add to their Library I think I've heard people say that but I've never went across it I haven't couple weird because um there there are some there are some weird uh bugs in the IOS app right now where the Hearts gray out and when you go to add the song it only lets you create a new station despite the fact that most of those are actually in the Apple music library I think bu and large that's a bug um there are some songs playing where the album isn't out catalog do there's no you know you can't save it I do wish that there was some kind of like add to wish list button or let me know when this song comes out so I can download it because they've been playing like they played um a track yesterday from that's whose album is being really yet but I was like man I I would I would download that album that's sounds good yeah almost like how you can uh pre-order stuff on iTunes proper you should be able to at least queue it so that you get it when it's available that'd be awesome um Peter mentioned connect briefly before before we unfortunately lost him um hopefully he'll be back soon but uh I oh Peter is back so Peter before we transition topics I was asking Georgia what she would think about having a beats 2 Country Beats 3 classic beats four metal what do you think of that idea scaling beats out as long as damn DJs stop talking over everything I would be fine with it but if I keep having to hear about how beats one is worldwide and always on I'm somebody I I was just saying I I wish there was more talking you know what I think it's inevitable I think apple is probably going to build out different beats uh uh radio stations over time I don't know if they're ever going to go toot Toe with you know services like uh uh Sirius XM and stuff like that but it would be interesting to see if it's something that that uh that they can manage but yeah I mean you know beats one obviously is not going to be all things to all people the fact that it's genre list I think turns a lot of people off because um some of us want to hear uh music that's thematic and you know the the the the radio stations that apple offers are still you know by and large algorithmically programmed so um you know that there there isn't a lot of U there isn't a lot of soul there when it comes to you know what's being spun or what you're listening to uh so yeah I mean you know it' be very interesting to see uh beats 2 beats 3 beats four whatever Apple would do however Apple would do it over time uh having said that um uh you know I'm still by and large my own DJ I'm still by and large figuring out what I want to hear and listening to it based on my own music collection some of the foru recommendations and uh you know playlists my usage right now is almost exactly the same as Tres whenever I'm alone or whenever I'm in a car I just press Siri and I say whatever song I just feel like listening to at the moment it's the most liberating most Magical Musical experience I've ever had it's like Siri is exactly that my little pocket DJ with this incredible catalog of albums it's amazing and it might be something really obscure it might be something that I remember the other day uh I was remembering a road trip that I went on with Georgia's husband maybe I don't know decades ago and I I remember this song we listen to and I just I it was Aerosmith What It Takes and I like do you have I bet you do and it did and it just started playing I do wish that and I know this is this is really dumb like because you can add to what's next but I do wish that if I had the urge to listen to a song I could play it immediately without obliterating the up next q because I would be fine with the up next queue just continuing to play after that um but I understand that's probably not Behavior you can you can't how so no you totally can yeah yeah you just say play this now and it'll play next and then the up next queue will will go behind it I got to write something about about it but there's there's like little nuances where you can yeah I want that I want Serenity I want you to write up all the best commands for Siri that would a ton of them but there are some of them that like it's just you we're discovering more and more all the time you see the problem with for me though is that I don't remember song names so it's going to be a really frustrating experience for me you know I need something that's going to like I can hum it and seral be like this is actually the song that you really mean if you hum it well enough Shazam might be able to find it no there was not shazam's competitor I forget what it was called because I haven't seen it in years but when Shazam launched there was another similar app that launched and you could in fact hum a song and it would try to identify it for you you haven't heard me hum yeah which is neat yeah unfortunately the humming doesn't always work so uh before we lost Peter he mentioned connect I went to connect when uh Dave Whiskas and Joe chaplinsky put up their uh demo rough cut I'm not sure what the exact term for it was and I look through it and there was a lot of stuff in there but I I haven't gone back to it that often and I think it's because it's as much as it it's there it's not really alerting me about stuff and if it did maybe there's too many people that I autof followed to have any value from it but what were you gon to say about connect beer basically just that that you know it's a work in progress right now you know I I have a lot of artists that I'm interested in who have nothing to do with connect right now so I click on the follow button um you know when I when I see their artist information don't really see anything in Connect uh there only there are very few select group of artists right now who um seem to be doing anything with connect and you know most of it is just self-promotion for whatever they're doing on iTunes radio in the case of Dre or um you know maybe Mobi throws up a playlist now and again St Vincent uh uh you know with with um the the the piper playlist and stuff like that but uh it's it's really kind of a Barren Wasteland and this really makes me nervous because we've seen Apple attempt these social media experiments before paying anyone um and it hasn't worked out very well and I'm really hoping that connect will gain traction over time um it also doesn't seem like it's very easy for Independent Artists to try to get uh uh hooked up with connect either and and um a musician friend of mine who's an indie artist um said something about this the other day that that that he can't uh uh he can't sign up for connect right now so you know I'm I'm giving Apple time to work out the Kinks I'm giving Apple I time to build up some momentum but um right now connect seems like uh uh a a a a solution in search of a problem no yeah George have you even looked at connect it doesn't connect does not seem like a Georgia feature to me yeah I I don't think that I'm the use case for connect I I'm not great for following in any type of social media and I there's no there's nothing re I'm not the type of person that will want to follow everything that an artist is doing and why and where it takes up just a deal of time for me so I think that I'm not the right case unit so have I I have actually opened it though and I got to take a look at it and it looked nice and then I closed it and I've never opened it since and I don't think that I will it's just a Time sync for me so if I had extra time and there was an artist that I absolutely adored and I wanted to find out more about you know things that I could get on the connect that I couldn't find following them on Twitter or another social network or their own website then I think that I would be interested so like Sur was talking about a podcast with the DJs if there was something like that that I really enjoyed and it was on connect then I might be able to use it more often but without that I don't think that I'll be going to Taylor Swift see that's actually that's that's what I've been using connect for is that I think connect's biggest selling point right now is getting playlists from artists that you admire seeing the kind of music that inspired them that they've been kind of putting together from the Apple music catalog and also getting uh show playlists from the past beats one shows or getting little tiny podcast excerpts or interview interview excerpts or pre-release videos like I really like that part of connect in fact I've been using I I've been using connect almost entirely as a beats one auxiliary service as like beats one for later rather than oh I'm following my favorite artists that majorly the people who I'm following on connect right now are all of the Beats one DJs and anyone who has a beats one show and that works really well like I love especially because it's like a lot of the times I won't get to I find the 10 o'clock hour of Beats one to be the most interesting one the 10 o'clock ET hour um which is generally the a one-hour block where they let musicians uh programm or PM PM 10 p.m 10 pm ET hour um on Beats one that uh last night they had Ellie Golding it is technically 10: a.m. the following morning too uh but sometimes I don't I just don't get a chance to listen to that because either I'm running around at 10:00 a.m. or I'm not listening to beats one at 10 p.m. if I'm not driving uh so having those playlists readily accessible to me the next day is really awesome because I like I haven't really come across a show yet by one of the artists where I was like this was terrible like all of them are interesting all of them are completely different wild tastes and music Ellie Golding who's um I guess I really hadn't put a name to a face before like her music is synth pop and is very like bubbly and stuff and last night she did a show on on Hard Rock in metal where she's like these are all of my influences from when I was a child um and a teenager so let me put on some Incubus let me put on some hole let me put on some corn let me put on some like I don't know she played chop sooie like it's it's those kind of things where it's like they're completely unpredictable playlists and there's such like they're really really good to listen to um Josh homie is also like I love the alligator hour there's something so delightful about putting uh rock and roll next to like old school 1950s doop tunes that I just I love all of his playlists so like connect for me on that level that is why I use connect that is why that is that is my selling point for her right now and she's probably gonna write that in an article form too I'm hoping fingers crossed yes yes it's on my I have a list of about 40 articles that I keep on being like I want to write this I want to write this so it it'll come it'll come I got to sit down this weekend and turn out a lot of stuff all we're going to take a quick break so I can tell you about one of our fantastic sponsors and right now that is red hat at this point everyone understands that in the right situations open open source software is important technology we are you know Apple enthusiasts here so we use the Darwin kernel we use the BSD networking stack we use uh the webkit based Safari browser all the time we're 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week Apple watch sales plummet 90% that uh were not based on any kind of proper journalism that I could find so um I started asking around about it and how people were using their apple watches uh and it sort of became a really interesting discussion I wanted to bring it up on the podcast sort of how we use the Apple watch in our everyday lives because most of us have had it for a couple months now maybe a little bit longer maybe a little bit less but but mostly we've had it in our lives for a while now so uh I'm just curious so like Georgia you're a therapist by day a psychotherapist by day is the Apple watch at all made your life easier not at all different harder how does it work for you so the wonderful thing about the Apple watch is that I don't use my phone and I I just leave it on on the table and and doesn't Buzz ring anything else and so the most wonderful thing about the Apple watch is that I've been able to you know if I have a client that's in distress I get a text message because those come through and so I know immediately one if someone's calling me and I I was worried that all of the beeping the buzzing getting different messages was going to be a stress for me it has reduced my stress I don't have to worry that there's a client in distress that I might have missed if I'm busier in a meeting I can wait I can curate all on my own and do a triage and say okay this one is really important and I will take it now and I think that Renee you've noticed that I have been answering more phone calls which I never do like if you call me I will just never be there because I rarely have my phone with me it was almost impossible to call Georgia because her ringer was off and her phone was in her purse and she just never heard it never never never never so with this I get a little buzz and if I'm free I can answer a call if it's something that's emergency so I was in a meeting and I had a call from my my son's school and that was wonderful that I could make sure that they weren't okay I that they were okay that I received it right away and I could say excuse me this is really important plus I got to leave the room and like like start with my watch for it before I left just because that's so Mission Impossible and cool so I got to enjoy that as well and I think that it's also saved me a lot of time the amount of times that I have searched for my phone to be able to change my Hue Lights or hear a song on the radio that I really want a Shazam and I have to get the phone or I need to make a really quick call or a message to someone it's wonderful to have something on my wrist that I can quickly immediately and almost seamlessly reply to or get an information about um having a calculator on your wrist it's just it's such fun uh so I really enjoy it and I think that it's made my life it's given me a little bit more time to be able to do the other things in my life that I really enjoy uh what about you Peter I know uh you got your watch more recently but uh in your day-to-day life has it done anything made anything different well it's doing exactly what I expected it to um before I got it which is helping me stay on the uh Health regimen that I need to stay on a lot more consistently than I was before because oftentimes my phone goes wandering either I'm charging it or it's out of my pocket for some reason I don't feel a vibration I don't feel a notification that stuff I I don't miss nearly as much um that that part is great but yeah you know it's sort of working its way insidiously into different parts of my life and I don't say insidiously is Sinister thing just in ways that I really hadn't counted on you know like uh you know for example if I get a message from uh my wife saying hey pick me up at 5:15 instead of 5:30 um you know I'll just raise my uh my my phone to uh I mean my watch to my my mouth and I'll uh respond back that way instead of actually having to haul out my phone and tap a reply um and it it's the dictation works great um the only problem that I have is um uh at least uh at least a couple of times now the the the watch is frozen up on me for no apparent reason and I've had to uh sort of force it to restart I'm running watchos 1.01 I haven't upgraded to the beta um so I I don't know what's going on there but um beyond that it's been really kind of a great experience for me I'm quite happy with it it's one of the things I realized is that after the first first week or so I just nobody continued sending me digital sketches just disappeared it's so sad Ren I know I actually Jason Snell and I exchange some digital sketches on the fourth I really honestly feel like digital sketches are a interf family thing like I don't know I feel more comfortable sending them to like folks I know really really closely as like a let's go get ice cream with a little ice cream cone rather than you know it takes work it's just like an email right it's like pen pals where it's like oh it takes work to send sketches to people but I do like it actually rich and I should send more sketches to each otheris I send superhero logos that's awesome Clayton Clayton's a good guy yeah no I I really like digital sketch but uh but I don't use it as often as I should spizy and also beta uh yeah uh so beta a couple of things that came up um I know Georgia and her husband both have apple watches Peter do you and Bonnie both have apple watches no just me and ren do you and Ricky both have apple watches no despite the fact that I have two apple watches in this house Ricky insists that he doesn't want to try one um I think I'm gonna make him for like a couple days just to test out some features but he's like no I don't I don't see the point in it I I I don't get it I'm like but no but but yes there there's a point trust me it's pointed it's it's interesting that you bring this up because I've had this conversation with a few people now noticed the Apple watch on my wrist and start conversations with me about it and they'll ask me how I use it and stuff like that and I tell them and they're like well I don't want one and I'm like well good don't get one you know thing that that I think gets missed by a lot of people who have written these you know Apple's only selling 20,000 watches a day pieces and this other sort of Hysteria about how many Apple watches Apple may or may not be selling you know is that this is a a device that that is very much a nent technology um it's something that apple is still trying to figure out how how it fits into their ecosystem and what the use case is for their users it's something that users are still trying to figure out as well so uh you know nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying buy an Apple Watch or that you're experience using Apple other Apple products is going to be diminished without using an Apple Watch if you can't find a use case for this 350 700 $15,000 device don't get one it's pretty simple you know I mean we we're still trying to figure it out here at imore and you guys have been using it since April yeah so George I'm curious using it with your what's it like using it as part of a couple it's it's really nice it's just nice because I know that if I send a message even if uh so my husband was coaching soccer the other day and um you know my mom called and she had an emergency and he was able to get it even though if you know his phone was in his pocket he would not have been able to take the moment to be able to take out the phone to be able to get the call so since he saw it was my mom he was be able to answer that and so I know that if I have an emergency he is by and large unless he's like you know swimming and I know people that swim with their apple watches he's going to get the message and I'm going to be able to reach him with that and it's kind of funny because um he was having a little bit of an issue and so he brought his Apple watch to the Apple Store and he does not have it right now and they took care of it really well but he doesn't have it and he's going through a lot of withdrawal from not having his Apple watch has to carry around his phone like he used to and he said that the experience like an animal in his pocket and try to you know in the car try to take it out of your pocket with the seat Bel which is a horrible experience I think for everyone and he's like I really did not realize how much the Apple watch made my life easier and how it was nice because though I guess a lot of people the negative is that you feel like you're connected constantly to your phone but I find the opposite I find that it lets me be released from my phone I only get the the information that I have chosen as important enough to message me no matter what and that's fabulous getting directions and not having to look at anything and just getting little tiny Taps if you have to go left and right is is it's just such a cool experience so it's it's nice to be able to have one together as a couple yeah friend of the show Ben bearin wrote an article uh for Tech pinions that got picked up by recode about he he he deliberately took two weeks off from using it I think it was we might have just been a week uh but because he's an analyst he documented it like he documented every time he used his iPhone when he was wearing it then every time he used his iPhone when he wasn't and there was a significant difference and he equated it to a modern convenience like a dishwasher where you don't need it you can wash dishes by hand but once you have it the convenience is such that you immediately miss it when it's gone and something like I can't believe I have to watch dishes by hand again uh is that the the feeling you're talking about George yeah it gives you back some time and you you can also relax and that you don't have to worry if it's something that's important you're going to get the message immediately and for certain people that are doing you know a certain amount of jobs you can have a watch and be a doctor and be you know doing all of your rounds but taking a look at your phone would be something that would be a huge naysay so if there's someone that wants and I think that people that carry around still which they do beepers to be able to get important messages this is a nicer way in order to make sure if there's an emergency that you get it right away so I think that for couples I think that for families it's a nice added EX are either of you using it for cooking so I found I've been using it for cooking a lot like just to set quick timers uh timers yeah I really like that I want you know what I really want I want an app that's timer like I want a recipe app to incorporate a watch a watch app that's timer based so that each instruction like if it like turkey is a great example of one of those things where like you have to pull it out and put it back in and pull it I would love if there was a recipe app that talked to your watch and every time you needed to do something it would tap you and like time to go to the next step to Whip that mering right that is a great that Serenity that is like it you have just like got a million dooll app right there and then don't like you should do this that is a great idea because there are certain recipes that are totally time sensitive and you're gonna like ruin your sule if you haven't actually done something at a certain time well I think suets you just leave them for a certain amount of time yeah I think it would be cool uh sadly I don't have nearly the uh the programing experience Objective C but any developers listening out there I'm just giving you an idea for free if you want to implement it freeas uh what about parenting I I brought up the name so I wouldn't get it wrong but on self um magazine they actually did an iPhone review and it was delayed a little bit because the writer and her name is alz pla plaer I hope I'm not that plaer uh she was pregnant at the time and giving birth and she waited till her child was born and then spend some time with the Apple watch and she found like when because she had to carry a child around all the time the Apple watch was much more convenient to use than the the iPhone would be because our hands were literally full with life um you're not your are a little bit I Peter's kids are significantly older your kids are a little bit older but is there still a parenting angle here oh it's it's wonderful it's not just for for for like carrying around it's it's that you're always carrying around stuff stuff that you have to deal with stuff that's like might be messy or goopy or you're dealing with things and so you know if you have that waiting for that call for a meeting you can do other things without worrying or having to have your phone in your hand so if you're cleaning up if you're picking up your child if you're changing a diaper you have any information that you want right at your wrist and you're able to answer a call answer a quick message without saying oh wait a second I have to stop breastfeeding and then go get my laptop and move it over it's nice because it's exceptionally convenient it's small and it's always where you can see it quickly and easily which I think is great so yeah I think for parenting it makes life a little easier as well uh any any other use cases you come across R anything else that's been particularly good for you I really love it for derby um I haven't been using it for coaching as much as I know I'd wanted to because it hides under my wrist guard and in order to look at it I have to like slide it down uh but I really I find that it's really awesome for tracking my Derby stuff and also tracking how active I am prior to um because it's it's really important on days when I'm sitting down all day that I like do 20 minutes of cardio before getting on my skates otherwise I'm just going to break my ankle uh so being able to kind of chart that and be like oh I've been sitting down all but two hours today I should stretch or do yoga or something um I also like I find the children thing interesting actually because I found the opposite problem when I was traveling where I like I really wanted to use the watch for everything but I had my luggage in that hand so I was like I can't I can't know this is frustrating but no I mean um actually the funny thing the beta right now um the folks who are testing the beta obviously it is beta so it's buggy um which means that like certain things aren't as fast or don't work as reliably as they did in 101 for me which means that I've been using the watch less and I hate it I really hate it um it gets I'm frustrated because I go to the like I've been there's so many times where I've gone to the watch being like tell this person and and in 101 it would be like but because it's a beta it's slow or it's like having problems and I'm like oh I I really I really miss using this uh which is nothing against Apple's beta program it's just you know beta are buggy and I knew that when installing that on my watch but it made me realize just how much I'm using my watch for daily daily tasks which is pretty cool I took it off for a weekend just to see what it would be like and the amount of times I ended up staring at my empty wrist I I didn't know I was looking at the watch that much just to glance at like small things like the weather the time what the next calendar appointment was and then you just see nothing but SK like George's old reaction before she had an Apple Watch look at my wrist and all I see is wrist and you suddenly realize I'm just glancing at this thing all the time and and how much you missing I couldn't last a week I don't know well obviously I'm not as disciplined as been but I just I lasted two days and like screw this putting it back on yeah yeah it's it's just nice I feel like even just getting you know having you know just on my watch face being able to know what is the next appointment thing that I have due that's a great 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question that I was yelling at at at the podcast player because I wanted a piece of so I thought I would bring it up here and you basically asked what we would need uh as our next big Leap Forward on the next iPhone how did you phrase it yeah I said what do you think is going to be the next biggest Innovation that's going to make us more attached and want to use our phones even more than we already have so I I thought it'd be fun to talk about that because iio iPhone 6s is well not around the corner we can we can sort of see its light at the end of the tunnel the end of the summer tunnel it'll be here if Apple sticks to their usual pattern which they have for the last few years it'll be here around uh you know mid-september uh and I was curious as to what everyone else would think and I know I have some ideas but Peter do you is there anything that would really make you say this next iPhone is something special hm besides pouring coffee out the lightning Port of course yeah um you know I I have a very open mind about what the next iPhone would would really need to uh to to Thrill Me to the point to say yeah I definitely need one um I I don't really have any preconceptions though of of what that might be like there's nothing in the iPhone 6 or 6s um that I find so lacking that I would really uh uh have to upgrade you know the thing that I've heard rumored about over and over again is force touch and depending on how it's implemented it could be interesting but I don't really see it as a killer app as it were yeah what about You Ren is there anything that uh the way you use your iPhone Le is there anything that would make it a significant upgrade for you yeah I don't know um my it's funny because starting to use the watch I use my iPhone less um I yeah I honestly think the biggest upgrade that an than an iPhone could happen for me is I actually am thinking about um about getting a bigger screen and using it even less like getting the six plus and oh yes you want the six plus of just rely well just rely well okay so here's my here's my thing right my iPhone used to be my daily driver which is to say it was always in my hand because that's what I triage things on um but I but I didn't want it to be too big because it needed to be able to fit in my pocket and it needed to be able to come with me and like I needed to be able to to coach with it um but with the phone or with the with the watch paired with the phone I do a lot of the things that I would normally do little stuff on my watch instead of on my iPhone so having that bigger screen like I'm I'm genuinely considering going up to a plus with the next generation of I I know I feel dirty about it because I'm like I hate I hate big phones you know what I was rocking because I had the the beta on my six I was rocking my little 5s for a little while to listen to 8.4 and apple music and I love this form factor I love this form I did the same I have iOS 6 on my iPhone 6 Plus and I had 8.4 on my iPhone 6 so I could try music but then I I was I was doing the stuff like what is changed so I had to have IOS 8.3 running on something so I put that on my iPhone 5s and just holding it yeah it felt nice but I felt like I had a claustrophobic reaction Georgia like I was caught in one of those mime rooms that are always getting smaller and like the screen wasn't tiny yeah it was so and that that phone like Ren we used that phone for two years and it was so big compared to the 4 and 4S and it's my brain Georgia our brains are just not nice to us they they change our concept of reality immediately they do sorry Peter go for it hold on said is this a phone for ants yes yeah right right exactly well the way that oh there goes a phone hope you have out care there we go you want to see really tiny really tin really you really want to see really tiny here let's do this yeah yep there we go y it's ridiculous there we go how did we use those things I don't I don't even know it does feel nice in that in my palm though ridiculous the way that our memories work is that we're always we're always comparing things to what we had before so even our feelings and emotions We compare them to what we felt before so we judge if we're happy you're sad depending on if like if you were related and now you're only happy you're going to feel a little bit of a Down you so we kind of notice the difference in between things more than we notice you know that some what is big and what is small it is all relative to what we had before um there are some things that I would be looking for I would love to have a flush camera and I would love to have uh just better sounds I want to call you on the camera thing cuz like the flush camera to me is a design detail but I I would still like an even better camera because as good as the iPhone camera is there's still like a lot of stuff they could do with depth with low light with uh with zoom and things that would make it a much more useful camera to me and that to me is a that that would get me to upgrade and I think people have said that that the camera is always one of the most one of the biggest drivers for upgrades yeah I think that that would be a great thing I don't know if if with keeping exactly the size and shape mostly the same how much we're going to get a better camera right away but I I think that they could they could work on not having a little piece bumping out I think that would just look better and feel better for me and I but I would love to have better sound now that I'm listening to more music on my iPhone I'm noticing and I'm not much of an audio file in the first place but I am noticing that the sound is not superb and I would really appreciate that plus I would love a little bit like Siri to be a little bit more intelligent and be able to um pre preemptively know if there's traffic and what time I should leave in order to make my meetings so that would just be really cool who doesn't even use Facebook wants a better Siri I that would be cool to me that would be cool but that's just on the would you be willing to share the data necessary for Siri to be able to be that useful for you you know what that's I always ask myself that question constantly I was just about to get a song and they're like you have to update to iCloud music and I'm like I have to accept I I'm like do I then how many people's other songs do I get I don't know I'm always questioning what is the use cases don't get me wrong I think that would be fantastic I just find it odd that you of all people would want that that would be I want I would love to have a digital assistant I would love that would be useful to me and I need one I'm because I'm always late or over booking myself so it would be worth it to me and I think that because Apple has been really great with privacy and security I would be willing to take that leap and risk interesting so you want a real Jarvis oh yes oh yeah why do you think I changed Siri good morning Georgia your waffles are ready and you have an appointment in 20 minutes you must leave now so I the waffles up to go yes I wanted to say you know please don't forget to bring this to your meeting today and you told me to remind you about this so I am and you know stop doing that yeah all of it remember the good old days when we had frontal loes that we used for executive functioning skills you guys are married you have personal assistance my my frontal loes are functional in certain situations but in others I want my phone to help in the deficiencies that I know my weaknesses in my daily life that I already know I have and have not yet been able to help myself I I mean it in in one respect I'm I'm parodying myself by by you know doing the angry old man get off my lawn and yelling at Cloud's thing but on the other hand you do have to kind of step back from it and look at look at how you're using or or how you're scheduling yourself going am I really so over scheduled and overburdened with this stuff that I actually need this 650 $750 device to help me yes that's not even a yes that's exactly that's my life and and that's sad I know and it shouldn't be that way it shouldn't be that way for any of us I you you could say that I guess that would be true but if this could make sure that I can schedule myself better and maybe it would say you know what you're I've checked your heart rate and you seem to be really stressed and you need to take a little bit more time during the day it would be nice if all the data work together in order to make sure that because a lot of people don't really know when they're over booked or over scheduled or if they're doing too much but I think that if they had a way to get all that data collection together which is already there but then mulated it in order to be able to say to you you know what you need to get a little bit more sleep I think that more people would listen need less people like me I would be job disappointed in me it's gonna be a Oh Renee you didn't drink enough water you went to bed too late do you really want that level of alcohol in your system but you know it's interesting because it is coming together in in in in ways like what you've described Georgia can I give you a practical example I would love to hear one okay so um at uh WWDC last month um uh I um was feeling really run down after the first couple of days and I couldn't figure out why and um as I was sitting in our hotel room uh uh one night I um was flipping through um the the uh uh app that I use to track my calorie intake which I've been using ever since my bariatric surgery it's called My Fitness Pal and it helps me uh it it helps me not only uh keep track of calories but it also can hook up to the step counter uh in the health app uh to adjust my calorie intake based on the amount of exercise that I was getting and I realized that I didn't have it turned on so I turned it on and it calculated and it said hey Jerk you've shorted yourself about six or 700 calories today and that's significant that's an entire meal and a half for me yeah um so I was like oh okay well this makes this makes sense to me no wonder I'm feeling so run down and miserable because I'm not taking in enough so I adjusted uh my my my calorie intake based on that and the next day I felt much better and I felt better for the rest of the week Wonder so yeah exactly in cases like that in in cases where you can get the technology linked and get everything working right uh it works out great the problem is that that was something that I actually had to actively figure out oh I need to turn on this feature in this app to get this data uh to pull in and you know you could you could make the argument that that should uh possibly be taken out of the user's hands and should just happen automatically uh personally I think it's a good thing that that that that's out lock down and given Apple's stance towards privacy data privacy especially I don't see that changing but we do have that that sort of functionality right now and I expect that as these apps improve and as developers plug into more and more of this foundational technology that Apple's presenting we're going to see more of that happen and it's going to become better and better yeah yeah I think so too so yeah so I'm looking forward to the force touch I think the force touch would be awesome there's a lot of things and a lot of interfaces that could be unburied from you know Hamburger buttons or our new best friend the ellipse the ellipse more button and surfaced as a secondary you know touch action and drawing programs that I could actually have a depth like three-dimensional multi-touch to where their pressure sensitive would be fantastic fantastic and a better camera cuz it is still even with the Apple watch the way Georgia inity and I were talking about it using our iPhone the iPhone I still use the camera for it all the time that is true so a better camera that takes faster less blurry better low light uh and maybe it has more you know more megapixels not necessarily because I need me mega megapixel photos but because it can down sample and get even better quality photos as long as they keep the photon it's not the the pixel size really large I think all of that um would be really really good and if Georgia gets her Jarvis and then Peter gets his Ultron uh and eventually we have to save the world I think that would just be a bonus I'm good all right so we unfortunately lost Serenity to uh she was having some trouble with her internet connection before and then it dropped her and we were losing Peter off and on as well so I'm I believe right now uh Massachusetts has suffered an EMP and the squids are uh on Route so we're going to leave so they can properly defend themselves yeah Peter going to kide you all over the Matrix I think has no idea what's headed for it but I will say that uh thank you all of you for listening to the show um if you haven't already please go to iTunes please leave a rating uh leave a review too it helps encourage iTunes to feature us and that lets more great people like you find out about the show and that helps us make more and even better shows it is a win-win win-win win for everybody if you like the video version that's available on YouTube at youtube.com/ imor video we always love having you live we have between 60 and 70 people uh early in the morning on Friday and that's awesome but we have thousands and thousands and thousands of you tens of thousands of you sometimes close to 100 thousand of you uh watching and listening to us later so please don't hesitate to do either of those things Georgia if people are interested in finding more of your wonderful works on the internet where can they go uh you can find me on Twitter it's Georgia Dow I'm on imore and I do a podcast called isometric awesome Peter what about you I am on the social things at flar f l a r g and on imore if uh Serenity were here she would tell you that you could find her at cetan se ttn you can find me at Renee Richie and you can find all of us at imore thank you so much for listening and we will be back next week bye everybodyhey everyone it is July 10 2015 I'm Renee Richie and right now we're going to talk about Apple music Apple watch and a bunch of other fun stuff because this is the imore show joining me this week joining me this week all the way from the Cape of cod we have Peter I was about to call you Peter flar again I'm so panicked about getting your username wrong that I've tattooed it into my brain stem well that's good then my work here is done Renee so you are not in Cosplay today even though the San Diego Comic convention is in full effect yes but I am wearing my Kaiju shirt oh all right that is your your your bit of solidarity yes also joining us we have Serenity Caldwell How Are You Ren hello folks and we have Georgia D how you doing Gio I'm good so we're doing a Roundtable show this week and that means we pick a couple topics and we sort of share our opinions our views our experiences and the first one the obvious one right now is that we've each had about a week and a half now with apple music Apple's entry into the streaming uh music space uh so I wanted I was kind of interested to know how you're using it what you think compared to when you first started using it if you like it better if you like it worse if you like it different let's start with You Ren because you have spent mostly the entire week writing about it um I still really like it I'm in the middle of writing a piece right now on how awesome it is in the car specifically uh the new Siri features basically make this the best possible music DJ of my life while I'm commuting between where I live now and where my practice space is when I have an hour and a half drive it's like yeah I can Groove out to whatever I want this is awesome I can switch from beats one I can pop over to like the Ramones I can Listen to Smashing Pumpkins I can listen to Ellie Golding I just have to tap the thing and be like play me some of this I don't like this play me more of this play me less of this it's so nice it and it's so less fiddly than all of my music situation my music Solutions have been up to this point in the car I like it anything that allows me to press buttons and like try and Fiddle with my phone while I'm driving less is awesome I prefer not to be fiddling at all and this get absolutely ah see I never even thought of trying that yeah play beats one it says beats one live and direct to you nice that's awesome I love that so yeah you can launch you can launch any of your iTunes radio stations you can play around with your current music you can investigate the Apple music library I've done crazy things like um play like play me that song from Tomb Raider play me that song I I did I did once say play me that song uh by The Decemberists with the boat in it and I didn't quite understand that made me very sad understandable I wouldn't be I wouldn't know which song you're talking about either yeah exactly well it's that the kind of command that I would give to like a music friend or like a or like somebody when I'm watching when I'm watching a television show was like what is that actor but the fact that like Siri Siri has gotten so good on the music scale that I felt comfortable asking at that and expecting that maybe it might maybe I might it might just work yeah exactly exactly so I'm like you know what it's really impressive Renee was like totally wowing me when he was like you know play Billy Jean from this era and then he's like play Billy Jean from Glee and yes that was amazing so you're right it the honest version of the story is I I brought the iPhone to Georg Georg is always a skeptic Georgia's natural inclination is to say no it won't work it's it's terrible and you're you're a horrible person so I I took the I said Play Smooth Criminal started playing Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson I said play Smooth Criminal by Alien Ant form started playing it I said play Smooth Criminal by Glee started playing George's face just widened up and then then she punched me really hard for some who says that he's not really that into music you know an awful lot about weird covers of Smooth Criminal well I was doing it for an article I wrote an article about what Siri can was interested if Siri could actually find covers of Articles so I did this whole thing and that was just an easy example because I could find three covers to it and then I got hit yeah now you have a bruise to remember that by ah it's Operating Conditioning i w be afraid to look I know that when you go for the Glee version of anything you get P you get punched step away yeah but that George that was sort of a turning point for because you like you you've heard about these streaming services you've you like I know you use Siri but you seemed uncertain at first yeah I wasn't so sure that I was going to enjoy listening to Apple music it seemed to me like it was going to be a lot of work and I you know I have radio stations and I have my music that's really the way I listen to music and so because it was free a really smart play on Apple's part I was like you know what I'll test it out this out and see if I like it and not only do I like beats one which I completely did not think I would um her her smooth English voice is fabulous so she's my favorite DJ but it it's just um I like even the curated music for you so I I'm like oh my goodness these playlists are really good this is music that I would not have thought of listening to before and I love the fact that even when I'm on Beats one if there's a song that I like I don't have to launch Shazam on my watch to figure out what's on my phone it's already there and I can just add it to my music with a touch of a button um and that was really cool so I'm I'm enjoying all the different features that Apple music is giving me except for one thing it is a mess to look at the screen and I find that a little bit stressful and a little bit difficult to figure out where am I and what you know like so I think that they need to uh update and just kind of clean it up a little bit so like when it says launch like listen now to beats one I would love that to also be the button that I can stop beats one with and um like just other things so I can find my way around a little bit because I do find that a little stressful we have a real time followup Lee Richards says that play beats one isn't working in the UK I wants to know if I can see if it's working in Canada so let's just try that now play beats one you need to sign in to use iTunes radio oh so maybe that's maybe that's a US feature right now we will investigate this we will get a common answer for the queen I will say that the first time I tried to launch it um on on my iPhone 6 it gave me that response and then I went into music and played beats one from there and the to oh we lost you for a second Ren play beats one you need to sign in to use iTunes radio that's my Jarvis voice you you switched Siri to sound like Jarvis I did did did you yeah oh yeah oh yeah no question Paul betney better be getting royalties that's all I'm saying all right so uh yeah so we will investigate that Lee and get back to you for both Queen and Country um Peter what's your impression so far a week later well uh a lot of what I've been doing has been on the Mac side um as opposed to using it in Iowa although I've certainly dabbled with it in iOS too um and you know my enmity towards iTunes has a long and story history I've been writing about how much I hate iTunes for about as long as I've been writing for imore um and uh Apple music adds yet another layer of icing to the poop cake that is iTunes it's just it's a horrible user experience I really wish that Apple would just go back and start with a clean sheet of paper or a clean xcode project I've written about this before um I just I'm so sick and tired of how much of a motani stew iTunes is you know it it just there's so much piled on that makes it so hard to navigate having said that I think I understand conceptually what Apple's trying to do here and they're really trying to blur the line between apple music as a service and what your music is um and I've got to admit that Apple music has enabled me to add a whole ton of stuff to my library that I didn't have before you know I have quite an extensive wish list on iTunes and eMusic um which are the two music services that I download uh most of my music from of stuff that I would have liked to to have gotten but didn't have the budget to get didn't have the wherewithal to get whatever and I've been able to add all that stuff plus a lot more just in the last week um to my music and you know when I when I go out for uh uh my daily uh my daily walk or or you know if I'm if I'm uh working around the house um all this stuff kind of helps me get through my day in a way that I really didn't have before um so I'm very excited about that however there are a few shortcomings just besides I the iTunes mess on on the Mac that I'm a little unhappy with for example I set up a family sharing account um so we could use uh so my wife and my three kids could use iTunes but um my two of my kids are going to have very limited access to it because they both use Windows phones so if unless you are completely plugged into the Apple ecosystem uh you're you're missing out a little bit here um and you know that was their decision to get Windows phones because they didn't want to spend a lot on devices um because uh you know they were able to get devices that suited them uh for um uh without having to you know Finance them through the carrier or whatever um and as a result they're kind of left out of the the loop here um my wife uh tried to sign into um uh the the family sharing plan and get iTunes uh uh cloud music or whatever it's called this week working all of a sudden to run into some errors and that's because she exceeds the 25,000 song limit now I know that Eddie Q has said that hopefully by the time ios9 launches uh later this year that's going to be lifted from 25,000 to 100,000 songs and that will certainly take care of it but right now that means in order for her to get the most out of um uh music she's got to cut up her Library into something smaller than 25,000 songs and she's not willing to do that right now because a dumb question Peter so the 25,000 that's for stuff that's not in the iTunes catalog so you and Bonnie both have that much music that's not contain sorry in the Apple music catalog I've got about 22,000 songs in my library she's got about 36,000 songs in hers we've been collecting music both of us since we were teenagers and we never get rid of anything I'm just amazed that Apple doesn't have those songs like I I I'm very limited in my music well we both have very eclectic tastes you know and I mean sure you know there there's some there's some crossover there but uh uh the fact of the matter is you know Bonnie especially listens to a lot of stuff that you can't find um in the iTunes Store at least in the American iTunes store she listens to a lot of music from Japan for example um and that's stuff that b LS doesn't show up and quite frankly that was a disappointment of mine too because um uh you know I wanted to a lot of stuff that I couldn't you know connect is really cool but right now connect has very limited utility I don't mean to you but I want a lot of these things I want to separate and actually talk about because I think they're super fascinating uh going back to the iTunes thing for a second this is my wish uh I I'm hoping Beyond hope that Apple takes uh iTunes and makes an iTunes for the for iCloud so that you could basically access anything that you have the right to access on the web the same way you can do I work for iCloud now and that way they could just sort of offload support for Windows to the cloud they won't have to make iTunes for Windows anymore you could just open your web browser and yeah Windows people might hate it but they hate iTunes already so it's not a huge loss for them but it would enable us in case of emergencies like us being anybody any human being to get to anything that we have anything we want to watch anything we want to listen to in a web browser if we had to but it would also mean that they no longer have to Port iTunes to Windows which means that iTunes for Mac wouldn't have to be this bundled um this this bundle of functionality you could have a syncing program a music program a video program or radio program the way you have on iOS which doesn't get ported uh and I think that I see you nodding already R but I think that would restore some order to the universe some much the force yeah um I'm I'm kind of hoping that we'll see that down the line I mean when you consider it most streaming services have a web component and have an ability to access all of those tracks via the web Apple has been actually really good about connecting their cloud services to the web in recent years including uh iCloud photo library which of course you can now access photos.app on icloud.com so I'm kind of hoping that that's a that's point1 feature for music like that's gonna happen um and also I really really really really really hope that a music.app redesign is coming for OS 10 because I agree with Peter iTunes is a little bloated and buggy what about um what about you Georgia does it affect you in any way like do you do you even use iTunes on the desktop no I don't I don't I I never do so for me it really doesn't make any difference but I'm sure that lots of people really do I work on my my desktop so like on and for me it's just I I bring my air to like around with me to work and other things but if I'm going to listen to music it's going to be on my phone so interesting well that's the problem for you Peter if they got if they moved a lot of functionality to the cloud and and then broke up the components I think we we lost Peter I angered him so much by talking about iTunes that Google PR him disappeared into the void hopefully he'll be back in a couple minutes uh so Beats Radio specifically I I've been listening to it I have a confession to make I actually like the DJs so much that I want to hear more of them and less of the music like I I would love to hear there's interview St but I would actually love to hear like a I don't know version of The View with Zan low and a couple of the other DJs where they talk about music and talk about the bands and maybe play a couple songs but also we get like a lot of Rich discussion about it and about the artists with the occasional guests dur like almost like a podcast maybe on Beats one is that an insane idea yeah well I mean no I mean we we've seen that to a certain extent uh St Vincent put out her conversation with Piper in like a podcast type form in Connect and that was a it was so cute uh so I wouldn't I'm not actually um opposed to the idea of like pseudo pod I think connect is where they're going to launch it because again if they're if Apple's trying to figure out a way to make beats one sustainable long term assuming that the cost of running it is not built into Apple music subscriptions which may or may not be um but you know you're talking about extra money for royalties when you're running radio songs you're talking about paying DJs you're talking about renting Spa so like let's assume that they are looking long term they need a little bit of Revenue that that's not just Apple music subscriptions um I'm I'm assuming that like or rather I'm assuming that they're going to use connect with Beats one to sell Apple music subscriptions basically being like yeah you can listen to beats one for free but if you want to catch that awesome interview that you missed or see this great playlist or any of this stuff you need to subscribe and you need to be a paying member because otherwise otherwise you just don't I I think it's a great I I I'm really impressed with the choice that Apple made on the DJs they are absolutely amazing I really enjoy listening to them I love the music that they choose I love the way that they put it together I find them really really soothing and I didn't expect that you have three people I was like the CH chance that they will be someone that will pick music that I enjoy that this is going to be a fun experience for me would be very little they did a fabulous job and I don't know if I would listen to a podcast with them but I might which I I don't listen to a lot of podcasts I don't have a lot of time so um but you should everyone else should listen to a lot of podcasts we talked about it on macbreak this week Georgia but I'm interested in your take like would you be interested the Beats one has a lot of like a genre is great and that's that's fantastic but would you also be interested in maybe depending on your taste a beats 2 That's Country or classic a beats three That's Heavy Metal um would you like more variety more stations I would I think that and I think that if if if beats onean is as successful and it continues to be sustainably successful I think that that would be a great idea so I would love to have you know just something that would be an alternative station or dealing with rock station um and I think imple Power Hour right right exactly and then I know either when to tune in or I know which station I can go to all the time to have you know great curated new alternative music that I might not have already gotten to or new rock music that I Haven already listened to and again then I can add it to my own library and listen to it whenever I might want to which is just such fun have we ever I don't has anyone ever had a beat song they couldn't add to their Library I think I've heard people say that but I've never went across it I haven't couple weird because um there there are some there are some weird uh bugs in the IOS app right now where the Hearts gray out and when you go to add the song it only lets you create a new station despite the fact that most of those are actually in the Apple music library I think bu and large that's a bug um there are some songs playing where the album isn't out catalog do there's no you know you can't save it I do wish that there was some kind of like add to wish list button or let me know when this song comes out so I can download it because they've been playing like they played um a track yesterday from that's whose album is being really yet but I was like man I I would I would download that album that's sounds good yeah almost like how you can uh pre-order stuff on iTunes proper you should be able to at least queue it so that you get it when it's available that'd be awesome um Peter mentioned connect briefly before before we unfortunately lost him um hopefully he'll be back soon but uh I oh Peter is back so Peter before we transition topics I was asking Georgia what she would think about having a beats 2 Country Beats 3 classic beats four metal what do you think of that idea scaling beats out as long as damn DJs stop talking over everything I would be fine with it but if I keep having to hear about how beats one is worldwide and always on I'm somebody I I was just saying I I wish there was more talking you know what I think it's inevitable I think apple is probably going to build out different beats uh uh radio stations over time I don't know if they're ever going to go toot Toe with you know services like uh uh Sirius XM and stuff like that but it would be interesting to see if it's something that that uh that they can manage but yeah I mean you know beats one obviously is not going to be all things to all people the fact that it's genre list I think turns a lot of people off because um some of us want to hear uh music that's thematic and you know the the the the radio stations that apple offers are still you know by and large algorithmically programmed so um you know that there there isn't a lot of U there isn't a lot of soul there when it comes to you know what's being spun or what you're listening to uh so yeah I mean you know it' be very interesting to see uh beats 2 beats 3 beats four whatever Apple would do however Apple would do it over time uh having said that um uh you know I'm still by and large my own DJ I'm still by and large figuring out what I want to hear and listening to it based on my own music collection some of the foru recommendations and uh you know playlists my usage right now is almost exactly the same as Tres whenever I'm alone or whenever I'm in a car I just press Siri and I say whatever song I just feel like listening to at the moment it's the most liberating most Magical Musical experience I've ever had it's like Siri is exactly that my little pocket DJ with this incredible catalog of albums it's amazing and it might be something really obscure it might be something that I remember the other day uh I was remembering a road trip that I went on with Georgia's husband maybe I don't know decades ago and I I remember this song we listen to and I just I it was Aerosmith What It Takes and I like do you have I bet you do and it did and it just started playing I do wish that and I know this is this is really dumb like because you can add to what's next but I do wish that if I had the urge to listen to a song I could play it immediately without obliterating the up next q because I would be fine with the up next queue just continuing to play after that um but I understand that's probably not Behavior you can you can't how so no you totally can yeah yeah you just say play this now and it'll play next and then the up next queue will will go behind it I got to write something about about it but there's there's like little nuances where you can yeah I want that I want Serenity I want you to write up all the best commands for Siri that would a ton of them but there are some of them that like it's just you we're discovering more and more all the time you see the problem with for me though is that I don't remember song names so it's going to be a really frustrating experience for me you know I need something that's going to like I can hum it and seral be like this is actually the song that you really mean if you hum it well enough Shazam might be able to find it no there was not shazam's competitor I forget what it was called because I haven't seen it in years but when Shazam launched there was another similar app that launched and you could in fact hum a song and it would try to identify it for you you haven't heard me hum yeah which is neat yeah unfortunately the humming doesn't always work so uh before we lost Peter he mentioned connect I went to connect when uh Dave Whiskas and Joe chaplinsky put up their uh demo rough cut I'm not sure what the exact term for it was and I look through it and there was a lot of stuff in there but I I haven't gone back to it that often and I think it's because it's as much as it it's there it's not really alerting me about stuff and if it did maybe there's too many people that I autof followed to have any value from it but what were you gon to say about connect beer basically just that that you know it's a work in progress right now you know I I have a lot of artists that I'm interested in who have nothing to do with connect right now so I click on the follow button um you know when I when I see their artist information don't really see anything in Connect uh there only there are very few select group of artists right now who um seem to be doing anything with connect and you know most of it is just self-promotion for whatever they're doing on iTunes radio in the case of Dre or um you know maybe Mobi throws up a playlist now and again St Vincent uh uh you know with with um the the the piper playlist and stuff like that but uh it's it's really kind of a Barren Wasteland and this really makes me nervous because we've seen Apple attempt these social media experiments before paying anyone um and it hasn't worked out very well and I'm really hoping that connect will gain traction over time um it also doesn't seem like it's very easy for Independent Artists to try to get uh uh hooked up with connect either and and um a musician friend of mine who's an indie artist um said something about this the other day that that that he can't uh uh he can't sign up for connect right now so you know I'm I'm giving Apple time to work out the Kinks I'm giving Apple I time to build up some momentum but um right now connect seems like uh uh a a a a solution in search of a problem no yeah George have you even looked at connect it doesn't connect does not seem like a Georgia feature to me yeah I I don't think that I'm the use case for connect I I'm not great for following in any type of social media and I there's no there's nothing re I'm not the type of person that will want to follow everything that an artist is doing and why and where it takes up just a deal of time for me so I think that I'm not the right case unit so have I I have actually opened it though and I got to take a look at it and it looked nice and then I closed it and I've never opened it since and I don't think that I will it's just a Time sync for me so if I had extra time and there was an artist that I absolutely adored and I wanted to find out more about you know things that I could get on the connect that I couldn't find following them on Twitter or another social network or their own website then I think that I would be interested so like Sur was talking about a podcast with the DJs if there was something like that that I really enjoyed and it was on connect then I might be able to use it more often but without that I don't think that I'll be going to Taylor Swift see that's actually that's that's what I've been using connect for is that I think connect's biggest selling point right now is getting playlists from artists that you admire seeing the kind of music that inspired them that they've been kind of putting together from the Apple music catalog and also getting uh show playlists from the past beats one shows or getting little tiny podcast excerpts or interview interview excerpts or pre-release videos like I really like that part of connect in fact I've been using I I've been using connect almost entirely as a beats one auxiliary service as like beats one for later rather than oh I'm following my favorite artists that majorly the people who I'm following on connect right now are all of the Beats one DJs and anyone who has a beats one show and that works really well like I love especially because it's like a lot of the times I won't get to I find the 10 o'clock hour of Beats one to be the most interesting one the 10 o'clock ET hour um which is generally the a one-hour block where they let musicians uh programm or PM PM 10 p.m 10 pm ET hour um on Beats one that uh last night they had Ellie Golding it is technically 10: a.m. the following morning too uh but sometimes I don't I just don't get a chance to listen to that because either I'm running around at 10:00 a.m. or I'm not listening to beats one at 10 p.m. if I'm not driving uh so having those playlists readily accessible to me the next day is really awesome because I like I haven't really come across a show yet by one of the artists where I was like this was terrible like all of them are interesting all of them are completely different wild tastes and music Ellie Golding who's um I guess I really hadn't put a name to a face before like her music is synth pop and is very like bubbly and stuff and last night she did a show on on Hard Rock in metal where she's like these are all of my influences from when I was a child um and a teenager so let me put on some Incubus let me put on some hole let me put on some corn let me put on some like I don't know she played chop sooie like it's it's those kind of things where it's like they're completely unpredictable playlists and there's such like they're really really good to listen to um Josh homie is also like I love the alligator hour there's something so delightful about putting uh rock and roll next to like old school 1950s doop tunes that I just I love all of his playlists so like connect for me on that level that is why I use connect that is why that is that is my selling point for her right now and she's probably gonna write that in an article form too I'm hoping fingers crossed yes yes it's on my I have a list of about 40 articles that I keep on being like I want to write this I want to write this so it it'll come it'll come I got to sit down this weekend and turn out a lot of stuff all we're going to take a quick break so I can tell you about one of our fantastic sponsors and right now that is red hat at this point everyone understands that in the right situations open open source software is important technology we are you 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and so the most wonderful thing about the Apple watch is that I've been able to you know if I have a client that's in distress I get a text message because those come through and so I know immediately one if someone's calling me and I I was worried that all of the beeping the buzzing getting different messages was going to be a stress for me it has reduced my stress I don't have to worry that there's a client in distress that I might have missed if I'm busier in a meeting I can wait I can curate all on my own and do a triage and say okay this one is really important and I will take it now and I think that Renee you've noticed that I have been answering more phone calls which I never do like if you call me I will just never be there because I rarely have my phone with me it was almost impossible to call Georgia because her ringer was off and her phone was in her purse and she just never heard it never never never never so with this I get a little buzz and if I'm free I can answer a call if it's something that's emergency so I was in a meeting and I had a call from my my son's school and that was wonderful that I could make sure that they weren't okay I that they were okay that I received it right away and I could say excuse me this is really important plus I got to leave the room and like like start with my watch for it before I left just because that's so Mission Impossible and cool so I got to enjoy that as well and I think that it's also saved me a lot of time the amount of times that I have searched for my phone to be able to change my Hue Lights or hear a song on the radio that I really want a Shazam and I have to get the phone or I need to make a really quick call or a message to someone it's wonderful to have something on my wrist that I can quickly immediately and almost seamlessly reply to or get an information about um having a calculator on your wrist it's just it's such fun uh so I really enjoy it and I think that it's made my life it's given me a little bit more time to be able to do the other things in my life that I really enjoy uh what about you Peter I know uh you got your watch more recently but uh in your day-to-day life has it done anything made anything different well it's doing exactly what I expected it to um before I got it which is helping me stay on the uh Health regimen that I need to stay on a lot more consistently than I was before because oftentimes my phone goes wandering either I'm charging it or it's out of my pocket for some reason I don't feel a vibration I don't feel a notification that stuff I I don't miss nearly as much um that that part is great but yeah you know it's sort of working its way insidiously into different parts of my life and I don't say insidiously is Sinister thing just in ways that I really hadn't counted on you know like uh you know for example if I get a message from uh my wife saying hey pick me up at 5:15 instead of 5:30 um you know I'll just raise my uh my my phone to uh I mean my watch to my my mouth and I'll uh respond back that way instead of actually having to haul out my phone and tap a reply um and it it's the dictation works great um the only problem that I have is um uh at least uh at least a couple of times now the the the watch is frozen up on me for no apparent reason and I've had to uh sort of force it to restart I'm running watchos 1.01 I haven't upgraded to the beta um so I I don't know what's going on there but um beyond that it's been really kind of a great experience for me I'm quite happy with it it's one of the things I realized is that after the first first week or so I just nobody continued sending me digital sketches just disappeared it's so sad Ren I know I actually Jason Snell and I exchange some digital sketches on the fourth I really honestly feel like digital sketches are a interf family thing like I don't know I feel more comfortable sending them to like folks I know really really closely as like a let's go get ice cream with a little ice cream cone rather than you know it takes work it's just like an email right it's like pen pals where it's like oh it takes work to send sketches to people but I do like it actually rich and I should send more sketches to each otheris I send superhero logos that's awesome Clayton Clayton's a good guy yeah no I I really like digital sketch but uh but I don't use it as often as I should spizy and also beta uh yeah uh so beta a couple of things that came up um I know Georgia and her husband both have apple watches Peter do you and Bonnie both have apple watches no just me and ren do you and Ricky both have apple watches no despite the fact that I have two apple watches in this house Ricky insists that he doesn't want to try one um I think I'm gonna make him for like a couple days just to test out some features but he's like no I don't I don't see the point in it I I I don't get it I'm like but no but but yes there there's a point trust me it's pointed it's it's interesting that you bring this up because I've had this conversation with a few people now noticed the Apple watch on my wrist and start conversations with me about it and they'll ask me how I use it and stuff like that and I tell them and they're like well I don't want one and I'm like well good don't get one you know thing that that I think gets missed by a lot of people who have written these you know Apple's only selling 20,000 watches a day pieces and this other sort of Hysteria about how many Apple watches Apple may or may not be selling you know is that this is a a device that that is very much a nent technology um it's something that apple is still trying to figure out how how it fits into their ecosystem and what the use case is for their users it's something that users are still trying to figure out as well so uh you know nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying buy an Apple Watch or that you're experience using Apple other Apple products is going to be diminished without using an Apple Watch if you can't find a use case for this 350 700 $15,000 device don't get one it's pretty simple you know I mean we we're still trying to figure it out here at imore and you guys have been using it since April yeah so George I'm curious using it with your what's it like using it as part of a couple it's it's really nice it's just nice because I know that if I send a message even if uh so my husband was coaching soccer the other day and um you know my mom called and she had an emergency and he was able to get it even though if you know his phone was in his pocket he would not have been able to take the moment to be able to take out the phone to be able to get the call so since he saw it was my mom he was be able to answer that and so I know that if I have an emergency he is by and large unless he's like you know swimming and I know people that swim with their apple watches he's going to get the message and I'm going to be able to reach him with that and it's kind of funny because um he was having a little bit of an issue and so he brought his Apple watch to the Apple Store and he does not have it right now and they took care of it really well but he doesn't have it and he's going through a lot of withdrawal from not having his Apple watch has to carry around his phone like he used to and he said that the experience like an animal in his pocket and try to you know in the car try to take it out of your pocket with the seat Bel which is a horrible experience I think for everyone and he's like I really did not realize how much the Apple watch made my life easier and how it was nice because though I guess a lot of people the negative is that you feel like you're connected constantly to your phone but I find the opposite I find that it lets me be released from my phone I only get the the information that I have chosen as important enough to message me no matter what and that's fabulous getting directions and not having to look at anything and just getting little tiny Taps if you have to go left and right is is it's just such a cool experience so it's it's nice to be able to have one together as a couple yeah friend of the show Ben bearin wrote an article uh for Tech pinions that got picked up by recode about he he he deliberately took two weeks off from using it I think it was we might have just been a week uh but because he's an analyst he documented it like he documented every time he used his iPhone when he was wearing it then every time he used his iPhone when he wasn't and there was a significant difference and he equated it to a modern convenience like a dishwasher where you don't need it you can wash dishes by hand but once you have it the convenience is such that you immediately miss it when it's gone and something like I can't believe I have to watch dishes by hand again uh is that the the feeling you're talking about George yeah it gives you back some time and you you can also relax and that you don't have to worry if it's something that's important you're going to get the message immediately and for certain people that are doing you know a certain amount of jobs you can have a watch and be a doctor and be you know doing all of your rounds but taking a look at your phone would be something that would be a huge naysay so if there's someone that wants and I think that people that carry around still which they do beepers to be able to get important messages this is a nicer way in order to make sure if there's an emergency that you get it right away so I think that for couples I think that for families it's a nice added EX are either of you using it for cooking so I found I've been using it for cooking a lot like just to set quick timers uh timers yeah I really like that I want you know what I really want I want an app that's timer like I want a recipe app to incorporate a watch a watch app that's timer based so that each instruction like if it like turkey is a great example of one of those things where like you have to pull it out and put it back in and pull it I would love if there was a recipe app that talked to your watch and every time you needed to do something it would tap you and like time to go to the next step to Whip that mering right that is a great that Serenity that is like it you have just like got a million dooll app right there and then don't like you should do this that is a great idea because there are certain recipes that are totally time sensitive and you're gonna like ruin your sule if you haven't actually done something at a certain time well I think suets you just leave them for a certain amount of time yeah I think it would be cool uh sadly I don't have nearly the uh the programing experience Objective C but any developers listening out there I'm just giving you an idea for free if you want to implement it freeas uh what about parenting I I brought up the name so I wouldn't get it wrong but on self um magazine they actually did an iPhone review and it was delayed a little bit because the writer and her name is alz pla plaer I hope I'm not that plaer uh she was pregnant at the time and giving birth and she waited till her child was born and then spend some time with the Apple watch and she found like when because she had to carry a child around all the time the Apple watch was much more convenient to use than the the iPhone would be because our hands were literally full with life um you're not your are a little bit I Peter's kids are significantly older your kids are a little bit older but is there still a parenting angle here oh it's it's wonderful it's not just for for for like carrying around it's it's that you're always carrying around stuff stuff that you have to deal with stuff that's like might be messy or goopy or you're dealing with things and so you know if you have that waiting for that call for a meeting you can do other things without worrying or having to have your phone in your hand so if you're cleaning up if you're picking up your child if you're changing a diaper you have any information that you want right at your wrist and you're able to answer a call answer a quick message without saying oh wait a second I have to stop breastfeeding and then go get my laptop and move it over it's nice because it's exceptionally convenient it's small and it's always where you can see it quickly and easily which I think is great so yeah I think for parenting it makes life a little easier as well uh any any other use cases you come across R anything else that's been particularly good for you I really love it for derby um I haven't been using it for coaching as much as I know I'd wanted to because it hides under my wrist guard and in order to look at it I have to like slide it down uh but I really I find that it's really awesome for tracking my Derby stuff and also tracking how active I am prior to um because it's it's really important on days when I'm sitting down all day that I like do 20 minutes of cardio before getting on my skates otherwise I'm just going to break my ankle uh so being able to kind of chart that and be like oh I've been sitting down all but two hours today I should stretch or do yoga or something um I also like I find the children thing interesting actually because I found the opposite problem when I was traveling where I like I really wanted to use the watch for everything but I had my luggage in that hand so I was like I can't I can't know this is frustrating but no I mean um actually the funny thing the beta right now um the folks who are testing the beta obviously it is beta so it's buggy um which means that like certain things aren't as fast or don't work as reliably as they did in 101 for me which means that I've been using the watch less and I hate it I really hate it um it gets I'm frustrated because I go to the like I've been there's so many times where I've gone to the watch being like tell this person and and in 101 it would be like but because it's a beta it's slow or it's like having problems and I'm like oh I I really I really miss using this uh which is nothing against Apple's beta program it's just you know beta are buggy and I knew that when installing that on my watch but it made me realize just how much I'm using my watch for daily daily tasks which is pretty cool I took it off for a weekend just to see what it would be like and the amount of times I ended up staring at my empty wrist I I didn't know I was looking at the watch that much just to glance at like small things like the weather the time what the next calendar appointment was and then you just see nothing but SK like George's old reaction before she had an Apple Watch look at my wrist and all I see is wrist and you suddenly realize I'm just glancing at this thing all the time and and how much you missing I couldn't last a week I don't know well obviously I'm not as disciplined as been but I just I lasted two days and like screw this putting it back on yeah yeah it's it's just nice I feel like even 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anything that would really make you say this next iPhone is something special hm besides pouring coffee out the lightning Port of course yeah um you know I I have a very open mind about what the next iPhone would would really need to uh to to Thrill Me to the point to say yeah I definitely need one um I I don't really have any preconceptions though of of what that might be like there's nothing in the iPhone 6 or 6s um that I find so lacking that I would really uh uh have to upgrade you know the thing that I've heard rumored about over and over again is force touch and depending on how it's implemented it could be interesting but I don't really see it as a killer app as it were yeah what about You Ren is there anything that uh the way you use your iPhone Le is there anything that would make it a significant upgrade for you yeah I don't know um my it's funny because starting to use the watch I use my iPhone less um I yeah I honestly think the biggest upgrade that an than an iPhone could happen for me is I actually am thinking about um about getting a bigger screen and using it even less like getting the six plus and oh yes you want the six plus of just rely well just rely well okay so here's my here's my thing right my iPhone used to be my daily driver which is to say it was always in my hand because that's what I triage things on um but I but I didn't want it to be too big because it needed to be able to fit in my pocket and it needed to be able to come with me and like I needed to be able to to coach with it um but with the phone or with the with the watch paired with the phone I do a lot of the things that I would normally do little stuff on my watch instead of on my iPhone so having that bigger screen like I'm I'm genuinely considering going up to a plus with the next generation of I I know I feel dirty about it because I'm like I hate I hate big phones you know what I was rocking because I had the the beta on my six I was rocking my little 5s for a little while to listen to 8.4 and apple music and I love this form factor I love this form I did the same I have iOS 6 on my iPhone 6 Plus and I had 8.4 on my iPhone 6 so I could try music but then I I was I was doing the stuff like what is changed so I had to have IOS 8.3 running on something so I put that on my iPhone 5s and just holding it yeah it felt nice but I felt like I had a claustrophobic reaction Georgia like I was caught in one of those mime rooms that are always getting smaller and like the screen wasn't tiny yeah it was so and that that phone like Ren we used that phone for two years and it was so big compared to the 4 and 4S and it's my brain Georgia our brains are just not nice to us they they change our concept of reality immediately they do sorry Peter go for it hold on said is this a phone for ants yes yeah right right exactly well the way that oh there goes a phone hope you have out care there we go you want to see really tiny really tin really you really want to see really tiny here let's do this yeah yep there we go y it's ridiculous there we go how did we use those things I don't I don't even know it does feel nice in that in my palm though ridiculous the way that our memories work is that we're always we're always comparing things to what we had before so even our feelings and emotions We compare them to what we felt before so we judge if we're happy you're sad depending on if like if you were related and now you're only happy you're going to feel a little bit of a Down you so we kind of notice the difference in between things more than we notice you know that some what is big and what is small it is all relative to what we had before um there are some things that I would be looking for I would love to have a flush camera and I would love to have uh just better sounds I want to call you on the camera thing cuz like the flush camera to me is a design detail but I I would still like an even better camera because as good as the iPhone camera is there's still like a lot of stuff they could do with depth with low light with uh with zoom and things that would make it a much more useful camera to me and that to me is a that that would get me to upgrade and I think people have said that that the camera is always one of the most one of the biggest drivers for upgrades yeah I think that that would be a great thing I don't know if if with keeping exactly the size and shape mostly the same how much we're going to get a better camera right away but I I think that they could they could work on not having a little piece bumping out I think that would just look better and feel better for me and I but I would love to have better sound now that I'm listening to more music on my iPhone I'm noticing and I'm not much of an audio file in the first place but I am noticing that the sound is not superb and I would really appreciate that plus I would love a little bit like Siri to be a little bit more intelligent and be able to um pre preemptively know if there's traffic and what time I should leave in order to make my meetings so that would just be really cool who doesn't even use Facebook wants a better Siri I that would be cool to me that would be cool but that's just on the would you be willing to share the data necessary for Siri to be able to be that useful for you you know what that's I always ask myself that question constantly I was just about to get a song and they're like you have to update to iCloud music and I'm like I have to accept I I'm like do I then how many people's other songs do I get I don't know I'm always questioning what is the use cases don't get me wrong I think that would be fantastic I just find it odd that you of all people would want that that would be I want I would love to have a digital assistant I would love that would be useful to me and I need one I'm because I'm always late or over booking myself so it would be worth it to me and I think that because Apple has been really great with privacy and security I would be willing to take that leap and risk interesting so you want a real Jarvis oh yes oh yeah why do you think I changed Siri good morning Georgia your waffles are ready and you have an appointment in 20 minutes you must leave now so I the waffles up to go yes I wanted to say you know please don't forget to bring this to your meeting today and you told me to remind you about this so I am and you know stop doing that yeah all of it remember the good old days when we had frontal loes that we used for executive functioning skills you guys are married you have personal assistance my my frontal loes are functional in certain situations but in others I want my phone to help in the deficiencies that I know my weaknesses in my daily life that I already know I have and have not yet been able to help myself I I mean it in in one respect I'm I'm parodying myself by by you know doing the angry old man get off my lawn and yelling at Cloud's thing but on the other hand you do have to kind of step back from it and look at look at how you're using or or how you're scheduling yourself going am I really so over scheduled and overburdened with this stuff that I actually need this 650 $750 device to help me yes that's not even a yes that's exactly that's my life and and that's sad I know and it shouldn't be that way it shouldn't be that way for any of us I you you could say that I guess that would be true but if this could make sure that I can schedule myself better and maybe it would say you know what you're I've checked your heart rate and you seem to be really stressed and you need to take a little bit more time during the day it would be nice if all the data work together in order to make sure that because a lot of people don't really know when they're over booked or over scheduled or if they're doing too much but I think that if they had a way to get all that data collection together which is already there but then mulated it in order to be able to say to you you know what you need to get a little bit more sleep I think that more people would listen need less people like me I would be job disappointed in me it's gonna be a Oh Renee you didn't drink enough water you went to bed too late do you really want that level of alcohol in your system but you know it's interesting because it is coming together in in in in ways like what you've described Georgia can I give you a practical example I would love to hear one okay so um at uh WWDC last month um uh I um was feeling really run down after the first couple of days and I couldn't figure out why and um as I was sitting in our hotel room uh uh one night I um was flipping through um the the uh uh app that I use to track my calorie intake which I've been using ever since my bariatric surgery it's called My Fitness Pal and it helps me uh it it helps me not only uh keep track of calories but it also can hook up to the step counter uh in the health app uh to adjust my calorie intake based on the amount of exercise that I was getting and I realized that I didn't have it turned on so I turned it on and it calculated and it said hey Jerk you've shorted yourself about six or 700 calories today and that's significant that's an entire meal and a half for me yeah um so I was like oh okay well this makes this makes sense to me no wonder I'm feeling so run down and miserable because I'm not taking in enough so I adjusted uh my my my calorie intake based on that and the next day I felt much better and I felt better for the rest of the week Wonder so yeah exactly in cases like that in in cases where you can get the technology linked and get everything working right uh it works out great the problem is that that was something that I actually had to actively figure out oh I need to turn on this feature in this app to get this data uh to pull in and you know you could you could make the argument that that should uh possibly be taken out of the user's hands and should just happen automatically uh personally I think it's a good thing that that that that's out lock down and given Apple's stance towards privacy data privacy especially I don't see that changing but we do have that that sort of functionality right now and I expect that as these apps improve and as developers plug into more and more of this foundational technology that Apple's presenting we're going to see more of that happen and it's going to become better and better yeah yeah I think so too so yeah so I'm looking forward to the force touch I think the force touch would be awesome there's a lot of things and a lot of interfaces that could be unburied from you know Hamburger buttons or our new best friend the ellipse the ellipse more button and surfaced as a secondary you know touch action and drawing programs that I could actually have a depth like three-dimensional multi-touch to where their pressure sensitive would be fantastic fantastic and a better camera cuz it is still even with the Apple watch the way Georgia inity and I were talking about it using our iPhone the iPhone I still use the camera for it all the time that is true so a better camera that takes faster less blurry better low light uh and maybe it has more you know more megapixels not necessarily because I need me mega megapixel photos but because it can down sample and get even better quality photos as long as they keep the photon it's not the the pixel size really large I think all of that um would be really really good and if Georgia gets her Jarvis and then Peter gets his Ultron uh and eventually we have to save the world I think that would just be a bonus I'm good all right so we unfortunately lost Serenity to uh she was having some trouble with her internet connection before and then it dropped her and we were losing Peter off and on as well so I'm I believe right now uh Massachusetts has suffered an EMP and the squids are uh on Route so we're going to leave so they can properly defend themselves yeah Peter going to kide you all over the Matrix I think has no idea what's headed for it but I will say that uh thank you all of you for listening to the show um if you haven't already please go to iTunes please leave a rating uh leave a review too it helps encourage iTunes to feature us and that lets more great people like you find out about the show and that helps us make more and even better shows it is a win-win win-win win for everybody if you like the video version that's available on YouTube at youtube.com/ imor video we always love having you live we have between 60 and 70 people uh early in the morning on Friday and that's awesome but we have thousands and thousands and thousands of you tens of thousands of you sometimes close to 100 thousand of you uh watching and listening to us later so please don't hesitate to do either of those things Georgia if people are interested in finding more of your wonderful works on the internet where can they go uh you can find me on Twitter it's Georgia Dow I'm on imore and I do a podcast called isometric awesome Peter what about you I am on the social things at flar f l a r g and on imore if uh Serenity were here she would tell you that you could find her at cetan se ttn you can find me at Renee Richie and you can find all of us at imore thank you so much for listening and we will be back next week bye everybody\n"