The M1 Ultra: A Benchmarking Enigma

When it comes to benchmarks, Apple's latest creation, the M1 Ultra, has left many of us feeling underwhelmed. The device, which boasts an impressive array of features and specs, failed to impress in several tests, leaving many to wonder if the extra cost is worth it.

The disappointment was palpable as we watched the benchmark results roll in. Some of the tests saw the M1 Ultra perform worse than its more affordable counterpart, the M1 Max. In single-core performance, the M1 Ultra struggled to keep up with the M1 Max, a gap that may be bridged with updates, but for now, it's a concern. The extra cores and GPU capabilities of the M1 Ultra seemed underutilized in many tests, leaving us to ponder what specific use cases would truly take advantage of its enhanced power.

One question on everyone's mind is: what are those scenarios where the M1 Ultra shines? Is there a particular task or application that will unlock its full potential? If so, we're still waiting for Apple to reveal what these use cases might be. For now, it seems that many of us would be better off with the M1 Max unless we're specifically tackling 8K content, which is an area where the M1 Ultra has shown promise.

The lackluster performance in benchmarks did little to alleviate concerns about the value proposition of the M1 Ultra. With a price tag of nearly $2,000, it's hard to justify spending that kind of money on a device that may not offer significant upgrades over its more affordable sibling. It's almost as if Apple is playing it safe, rather than pushing the boundaries of what's possible with this powerful processor.

This question about value has left many of us wondering if we'd be better off saving our extra cash and opting for the M1 Max instead. For those who have already taken the plunge and purchased an M1 Ultra, there's a sense of uncertainty about whether it will truly live up to its promises. One thing is certain, however: the benchmarking results are far from reassuring.

As we move forward, one hope is that Apple will release updates that unlock the full potential of the M1 Ultra. Perhaps new software will bring out the best in this powerful processor, allowing it to shine in areas where it currently lags behind its more affordable counterpart. Until then, the M1 Ultra remains a bit of an enigma, a device that's hard to love when it doesn't quite live up to our expectations.

But there is one silver lining: the Apple Studio Display, which comes bundled with the M1 Ultra, is a stunning piece of technology in its own right. If you're looking for a reason to splurge on this powerful processor, perhaps it's worth considering the accompanying display, which boasts a gorgeous 6.1-inch screen and a range of innovative features like a built-in webcam and speakers.

Ultimately, the M1 Ultra is a device that requires patience and understanding. While its benchmarking performance may be underwhelming at times, there's still hope that future updates will unlock its full potential. For now, though, it's clear that this powerful processor has a lot to prove before we can truly say it lives up to its hype.

In the meantime, we'll continue to monitor developments and see if Apple can deliver on the promises of this incredible device. One thing is certain: the M1 Ultra is a complex beast, full of both possibilities and pitfalls. As we navigate these uncharted waters, one thing is clear: only time will tell if this powerful processor truly earns its place in our hearts – or our wallets.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enall right let's dive in here um we got uh jeff drew and any lg 5k displays at a good price on ebay now oh dude i'm seeing them all over the place i uh i saw a guy selling two lg um 5k ultra fine displays he wanted 15 or 1500 bucks for two of them he had two of them and they're like brand new condition so if you're looking for a 5 or 5k display and you don't want to toss down the money for the apple studio display which if you're paying 1600 bucks for it i i don't think that i would do that then i think you could get a great deal on an lg ultrafine because a lot of those guys who bought the lg ultrafine they're selling them now to buy the apple studio display that's what it seems like to me so i see them on craigslist i see them on facebook marketplace i would probably defer to one of those two places rather than ebay but they're also on ebay so if you don't want to spend full price for the studio display that's the way to go i think and we could talk about the studio display more but uh yeah we will we'll talk about it later because i'm about to get ahead of myself here again again so you can like lap yourself hey there i am so let's talk about the m1 ultra mac studio performance so i'm not here to bag on the m1 ultra mac studio okay i ordered one it's just been charged my credit card i am genuinely excited for it okay i'm not here to just bag on it but the the truth of the matter is is there have been a lot of benchmarks that have come out this week a lot people comparing the m1 ultra to the m1 max is a popular test and there's one video in particular that i watched from max tech the channel max tech which i don't know if you ever watch max tech he does a lot of benchmark stuff and honestly just to give some uh some kudos to max tech uh max and vadim i don't think there's anyone that does better benchmarks than them right now they they really go in deep and they benchmark the hell out of everything and if you can see this frame from this video you see his reaction to the m1 ultra benchmarks this this kind of this kind of summarizes the sentiment at this current moment and for those of you listening max tech is sitting there with his hand on his face and his his face is like pointed downward some of these benchmarks have been confusing because they're just not as good as you would expect them to be and um and renee richie did a video this morning talking about the same thing how how the benchmarks aren't as good as we were hoping they were going to be and and then basically he spends the first like 10 seconds of video telling you that the benchmarks aren't great they're not looking good and then he literally spends like eight minutes doing some doing doing some mental judo to basically say well you know the benchmarks no one cares about benchmarks come on who cares about benchmarks they're not important people don't even understand them i don't even understand themselves don't worry about those benchmarks you'll be happy as long as you just ignore those those darn benchmarks it's going to be fun now look i i'm just poking a little bit funny here but i was i was watching the video i was like i was like if i if i were in front of renee having this conversation i'd be like renee really really is that is that really how you feel like do you really think that benchmarks don't matter i mean they they aren't the whole story i will agree with him on that point they are not the whole story there's a lot of real world tests that are hard to measure because they are things that you do within your final cut pro workflow or something and there's no real good benchmarks to measure those specific things but they do matter they definitely matter and they are a good indication of of overall performance and i think i think the the confusing thing is is there are benchmarks and i'll go through some of these here in just a sec sorry for the preamble here there are some benchmarks where the m1 ultra does really well but there's a lot of benchmarks where it doesn't and and my point is that you're spending 2 000 extra dollars on an m1 ultra the advantages should be obvious they should be jumping off the page and slapping you around like that you know they shouldn't be hard to find you shouldn't have to be nitpicking and looking through and trying to find the one place where the ultra is better like it's a 2 000 edition the benchmark should be obvious the real world test should be should be crystal clear on how this is performing better than an m1 max and right now the truth is they're not in a lot of instances the m1 ultra is performing as good as the m1 max and in some cases a little bit worse how can that be i know well that's the question that's the question that's what we're going to talk about here in a second so i'll point you to this um this great benchmark and thermal video that that um that max tech did and i'm pulling out some of the um observations that they had and some of my own observations looking or watching their video and we'll just talk about benchmarks here just at a high level okay i'm not gonna go to and deep here i'll let you go watch the video yourself but this is the sentiment that you need to keep in mind okay vmware ultra so uh in the um well one of the first observations i would make is like the mac studio i think across the board everyone's saying dead quiet the thing just doesn't turn the fans on ever like you can barely ever hear it which which i think is is an important feature because a lot of us don't like having noise when we're when we're doing our editing and having the fans screaming also the other thing and this kind of go goes hand in hand with um the fan's not coming on is that they the the cores of the um m1 studio or the m1 ultra don't actually get that hot like they hover between like 35 and 50 degrees celsius which if you've ever built a pc like an intel pc you know is like that's like less than idle for an intel cpu right like like an intel cpu will get to be like a hundred and you know 20 degrees celsius under load and maybe 50 under idle so that's really good so let's talk about benchmarks now so the m1 ultra was about 70 to 75 faster than the m1 max in the 3d mark um benchmark okay so that's good that that's really good that's probably about as good as i've seen from a benchmarks perspective like like you would expect that the m1 ultra would be twice as fast as the m1 max because it's two m1 maxes fused together but from what i've seen that never actually happens like the best that i've seen is it might be 70 to 80 better than one m1 max which is good but it's not double the performance as you might expect okay and one of the observations that max tech had was that it kind of seemed like throughout all these different tests uh the m1 ultra never really got it never really was being maxed out right it always seemed like something was being held back it wasn't getting as much wattage as it could have handled and so it wasn't being utilized as much as you would think that it would be which could be a reason one of the reasons why the performance isn't as good as you would think it would be so let's move on to cinebench and the cinebench test um it's um it performed very well and actually it it did beat a 3080 uh gpu by about 10 in that test and it barely lost to 3090 which i think is really impressive so it's a super powerful gpu it was also you know not very hot the entire time the fans didn't didn't come on while this test was happening so that's impressive in the blender test this is where things kind of got weird and and there are other tests that i could talk about which we don't have time to go into today where these results are kind of similar so in the blender test the m1 macbook pro uh they were doing a gpu test and it did the test in about one minute 52 seconds and the mac studio did that same test in one minute and 18 seconds so one minute and 52 seconds for the macbook pro with a um let's see here what did it have the m1 max and then one minute and 18 seconds for the mac studio now louis that seems like not a really big improvement to me wouldn't you agree it's like you know i mean it's faster what is it like maybe a fourth faster or something like that that's like 34 seconds faster so i mean that's not nothing but you would expect it to be a lot better for what the m1 ultra is right it should be you would think that it would be closer to like half the time but it's not that much faster that's troubling i think that's troubling um let's move on to final cut pro in the final cut pro export test the m1 or the m1 max in the macbook pro did the export in about a minute and 22 seconds and the m1 ultra in the mac studio did the test in a minute and 17 seconds so you got a five second improvement there now that's just straight up weird right add all those five seconds together pretty soon you got a minute yeah right over there there you go that's some optimism over the course of the year you're gonna save yourself six minutes solid six minutes you know if you're doing video work every single day now it is worth noting that and this could be this could be part of the mystery of what's going on here that not all the apps that are out there have been updated to take advantage of the m1 ultra right that's a common sentiment that i've heard and that initially makes sense until you think about the fact that well wait a second the m1 ultra was designed to be recognized as a single soc right by applications and the whole point of fusing the two m1 maxes together in this way was that you wouldn't need to optimize i thought you wouldn't need to optimize your application to take advantage of the extra horsepower because the system does that for you right like it's like it's built into the m1 ultra it's just one ship to your system and so for me i'm confused why aren't all apps immediately able to take advantage of the power of the m1 ultra i don't understand that maybe there's someone out there that does it doesn't make sense to me it seems like we should be seeing really clear and obvious results from the m1 ultra right off the bat and then they should get even better if apps somehow optimize for the m1 ultra the other thing i would i would say is there is apparently a newer version of final cut pro that apple has been using for their benchmarks and they include those benchmark scores on apple.com but they haven't released it so the current version is 10.6.1 which is like four or five months old and apple is using 10.6.2 which is a reversion that's not even out yet so people are saying oh well the reason we're not seeing crazy good final cut pro performance is because 10.6.2 is not out maybe maybe but again i go back to my original point wasn't the whole point of the m1 ultra that that system saw that as one single soc you wouldn't have to optimize so again i'm confused um and back to renee richie i mean he was saying like well the benchmarks are confusing and they're hard to do and you know people misunderstand them and you really need an expert to interpret them i think those are all valid points but it shouldn't be this hard to interpret you know what i mean like it like the the benefits of the m1 ultra should be readily apparent i think for all to see you shouldn't need some mystic crystal ball reader to interpret the benchmark results for you they should be obvious you're paying an extra two thousand dollars i think that the benefits should be obvious are you with me so far here lewis yeah i mean my first thought was it must just be that the software isn't quite you know ready for it or whatever to take advantage of the full power but uh yeah i i don't know i mean i i i watched that whole video too and honestly just i i couldn't even i just don't care that much about benchmarks i care does the computer work and do what i needed to do um it i find it that was kind of rene's point i feel like that was grenade's point exactly exactly like don't worry about all those kooky benchmarks like don't worry about those guys come on no one cares about benchmarks like i just thought he was he was being a he was being acrobatic in his explanation right to justify the the the upsetting benchmark performance that we've seen so far and by upsetting i don't mean it's bad i just mean it's not as good as we had hoped it would be for the amount of money that you're spending well and they said or you said that some of the things were it actually performed worse on yes what was that what was that drop test i mean what what was it they they played kickball with it right so like they dropped it on their foot kicked it and they rolled pretty well i mean there were tests and and i'm not completely shocked by that because in single core performance in some tests it doesn't do as well as the m1 max or they're really close because the m1 ultra it's its power is its extra prores encoding engines it's extra cores uh cpu cores is extra gpu cores so if you're just doing something that measures single core performance then yeah it's it's not going to win necessarily in those benchmarks because you're not taking full advantage of of its benefits and and i get that but there's a lot of those kinds of tests that that it seems to not really do a whole lot better so that begs the question what is the m1 ultra actually better at right like what is what is the purpose of all that happening in your wallet besides enriching apple yeah you know what i mean and again i ordered one i i'm not like abandoned ship this thing but i do wonder maybe it seems as though most of us probably would be better off with the m1 max unless you're doing something really specific that takes advantage of the m1 ultra's power but that kind of goes back to my question what are those things right like in what areas do you would the m1 ultra actually be completely utilized if you're doing a lot of 8k content it seems that seems to be one of the areas but if you're doing 4k content it doesn't seem like you're actually gaining a whole lot by by switching to the m1 ultra i don't know i mean that's why i'm buying one so i can do the test myself but it is surprising right like it it it should have been in this in this first round of benchmarks we were all like holding our breath and excited to see what happened and then once we saw the results it was like whoopee cushion you know it was like it was very deflating i was like wait a second i spent four grand five grand on this machine that the machine that max tech was was using was um almost six grand and it's like wait a second like this isn't necessarily outperforming my macbook pro now that is a pickle because that's a whole lot of extra money and i know you like pickles i do like pickles i actually picked these pickles are delicious i also love pickles like you know those those big weird ones the gross are at the uh gas station the fluorescent ones like those flasks and creams are just floating around in that jar of urine all right let's see here um let me see samuel burka is saying i think apple's playing safe the mac studio is going 60 of power there has not been a mac os update since the mac studio well that could be it i mean the answer might just be updates right we just need updates but if that's true then where are those updates the mac studio has been out for a week and there are no updates yet and going back to what tim baker in the chat saying is the verge cast was saying that the beauty of the m1 ultra was that it didn't require apps to update to support it yeah that's that's that's what my understanding is too the whole point of the m1 ultra was that your system sees it as one soc so why would apps have to update for it that's that's the part that troubles me and makes me think that maybe we're not actually going to see significant performance increases going forward even with updates so i don't know i'm just giving you guys the information and this is the stuff that i think about because i'm plurking down my own money on this and from my perspective i'm like well if i didn't spend the extra money for the for the m1 ultra that pays for the the apple studio display which we'll talk about here in a minute so it's a lot of extra money you know two grand for the m1 ultra is a lot of extra money and if you're not gonna get that much value out of it then then it's worth talking about because you might want to save yourself the extra money i i don't know this is just all the stuff that i'm thinking about youall right let's dive in here um we got uh jeff drew and any lg 5k displays at a good price on ebay now oh dude i'm seeing them all over the place i uh i saw a guy selling two lg um 5k ultra fine displays he wanted 15 or 1500 bucks for two of them he had two of them and they're like brand new condition so if you're looking for a 5 or 5k display and you don't want to toss down the money for the apple studio display which if you're paying 1600 bucks for it i i don't think that i would do that then i think you could get a great deal on an lg ultrafine because a lot of those guys who bought the lg ultrafine they're selling them now to buy the apple studio display that's what it seems like to me so i see them on craigslist i see them on facebook marketplace i would probably defer to one of those two places rather than ebay but they're also on ebay so if you don't want to spend full price for the studio display that's the way to go i think and we could talk about the studio display more but uh yeah we will we'll talk about it later because i'm about to get ahead of myself here again again so you can like lap yourself hey there i am so let's talk about the m1 ultra mac studio performance so i'm not here to bag on the m1 ultra mac studio okay i ordered one it's just been charged my credit card i am genuinely excited for it okay i'm not here to just bag on it but the the truth of the matter is is there have been a lot of benchmarks that have come out this week a lot people comparing the m1 ultra to the m1 max is a popular test and there's one video in particular that i watched from max tech the channel max tech which i don't know if you ever watch max tech he does a lot of benchmark stuff and honestly just to give some uh some kudos to max tech uh max and vadim i don't think there's anyone that does better benchmarks than them right now they they really go in deep and they benchmark the hell out of everything and if you can see this frame from this video you see his reaction to the m1 ultra benchmarks this this kind of this kind of summarizes the sentiment at this current moment and for those of you listening max tech is sitting there with his hand on his face and his his face is like pointed downward some of these benchmarks have been confusing because they're just not as good as you would expect them to be and um and renee richie did a video this morning talking about the same thing how how the benchmarks aren't as good as we were hoping they were going to be and and then basically he spends the first like 10 seconds of video telling you that the benchmarks aren't great they're not looking good and then he literally spends like eight minutes doing some doing doing some mental judo to basically say well you know the benchmarks no one cares about benchmarks come on who cares about benchmarks they're not important people don't even understand them i don't even understand themselves don't worry about those benchmarks you'll be happy as long as you just ignore those those darn benchmarks it's going to be fun now look i i'm just poking a little bit funny here but i was i was watching the video i was like i was like if i if i were in front of renee having this conversation i'd be like renee really really is that is that really how you feel like do you really think that benchmarks don't matter i mean they they aren't the whole story i will agree with him on that point they are not the whole story there's a lot of real world tests that are hard to measure because they are things that you do within your final cut pro workflow or something and there's no real good benchmarks to measure those specific things but they do matter they definitely matter and they are a good indication of of overall performance and i think i think the the confusing thing is is there are benchmarks and i'll go through some of these here in just a sec sorry for the preamble here there are some benchmarks where the m1 ultra does really well but there's a lot of benchmarks where it doesn't and and my point is that you're spending 2 000 extra dollars on an m1 ultra the advantages should be obvious they should be jumping off the page and slapping you around like that you know they shouldn't be hard to find you shouldn't have to be nitpicking and looking through and trying to find the one place where the ultra is better like it's a 2 000 edition the benchmark should be obvious the real world test should be should be crystal clear on how this is performing better than an m1 max and right now the truth is they're not in a lot of instances the m1 ultra is performing as good as the m1 max and in some cases a little bit worse how can that be i know well that's the question that's the question that's what we're going to talk about here in a second so i'll point you to this um this great benchmark and thermal video that that um that max tech did and i'm pulling out some of the um observations that they had and some of my own observations looking or watching their video and we'll just talk about benchmarks here just at a high level okay i'm not gonna go to and deep here i'll let you go watch the video yourself but this is the sentiment that you need to keep in mind okay vmware ultra so uh in the um well one of the first observations i would make is like the mac studio i think across the board everyone's saying dead quiet the thing just doesn't turn the fans on ever like you can barely ever hear it which which i think is is an important feature because a lot of us don't like having noise when we're when we're doing our editing and having the fans screaming also the other thing and this kind of go goes hand in hand with um the fan's not coming on is that they the the cores of the um m1 studio or the m1 ultra don't actually get that hot like they hover between like 35 and 50 degrees celsius which if you've ever built a pc like an intel pc you know is like that's like less than idle for an intel cpu right like like an intel cpu will get to be like a hundred and you know 20 degrees celsius under load and maybe 50 under idle so that's really good so let's talk about benchmarks now so the m1 ultra was about 70 to 75 faster than the m1 max in the 3d mark um benchmark okay so that's good that that's really good that's probably about as good as i've seen from a benchmarks perspective like like you would expect that the m1 ultra would be twice as fast as the m1 max because it's two m1 maxes fused together but from what i've seen that never actually happens like the best that i've seen is it might be 70 to 80 better than one m1 max which is good but it's not double the performance as you might expect okay and one of the observations that max tech had was that it kind of seemed like throughout all these different tests uh the m1 ultra never really got it never really was being maxed out right it always seemed like something was being held back it wasn't getting as much wattage as it could have handled and so it wasn't being utilized as much as you would think that it would be which could be a reason one of the reasons why the performance isn't as good as you would think it would be so let's move on to cinebench and the cinebench test um it's um it performed very well and actually it it did beat a 3080 uh gpu by about 10 in that test and it barely lost to 3090 which i think is really impressive so it's a super powerful gpu it was also you know not very hot the entire time the fans didn't didn't come on while this test was happening so that's impressive in the blender test this is where things kind of got weird and and there are other tests that i could talk about which we don't have time to go into today where these results are kind of similar so in the blender test the m1 macbook pro uh they were doing a gpu test and it did the test in about one minute 52 seconds and the mac studio did that same test in one minute and 18 seconds so one minute and 52 seconds for the macbook pro with a um let's see here what did it have the m1 max and then one minute and 18 seconds for the mac studio now louis that seems like not a really big improvement to me wouldn't you agree it's like you know i mean it's faster what is it like maybe a fourth faster or something like that that's like 34 seconds faster so i mean that's not nothing but you would expect it to be a lot better for what the m1 ultra is right it should be you would think that it would be closer to like half the time but it's not that much faster that's troubling i think that's troubling um let's move on to final cut pro in the final cut pro export test the m1 or the m1 max in the macbook pro did the export in about a minute and 22 seconds and the m1 ultra in the mac studio did the test in a minute and 17 seconds so you got a five second improvement there now that's just straight up weird right add all those five seconds together pretty soon you got a minute yeah right over there there you go that's some optimism over the course of the year you're gonna save yourself six minutes solid six minutes you know if you're doing video work every single day now it is worth noting that and this could be this could be part of the mystery of what's going on here that not all the apps that are out there have been updated to take advantage of the m1 ultra right that's a common sentiment that i've heard and that initially makes sense until you think about the fact that well wait a second the m1 ultra was designed to be recognized as a single soc right by applications and the whole point of fusing the two m1 maxes together in this way was that you wouldn't need to optimize i thought you wouldn't need to optimize your application to take advantage of the extra horsepower because the system does that for you right like it's like it's built into the m1 ultra it's just one ship to your system and so for me i'm confused why aren't all apps immediately able to take advantage of the power of the m1 ultra i don't understand that maybe there's someone out there that does it doesn't make sense to me it seems like we should be seeing really clear and obvious results from the m1 ultra right off the bat and then they should get even better if apps somehow optimize for the m1 ultra the other thing i would i would say is there is apparently a newer version of final cut pro that apple has been using for their benchmarks and they include those benchmark scores on apple.com but they haven't released it so the current version is 10.6.1 which is like four or five months old and apple is using 10.6.2 which is a reversion that's not even out yet so people are saying oh well the reason we're not seeing crazy good final cut pro performance is because 10.6.2 is not out maybe maybe but again i go back to my original point wasn't the whole point of the m1 ultra that that system saw that as one single soc you wouldn't have to optimize so again i'm confused um and back to renee richie i mean he was saying like well the benchmarks are confusing and they're hard to do and you know people misunderstand them and you really need an expert to interpret them i think those are all valid points but it shouldn't be this hard to interpret you know what i mean like it like the the benefits of the m1 ultra should be readily apparent i think for all to see you shouldn't need some mystic crystal ball reader to interpret the benchmark results for you they should be obvious you're paying an extra two thousand dollars i think that the benefits should be obvious are you with me so far here lewis yeah i mean my first thought was it must just be that the software isn't quite you know ready for it or whatever to take advantage of the full power but uh yeah i i don't know i mean i i i watched that whole video too and honestly just i i couldn't even i just don't care that much about benchmarks i care does the computer work and do what i needed to do um it i find it that was kind of rene's point i feel like that was grenade's point exactly exactly like don't worry about all those kooky benchmarks like don't worry about those guys come on no one cares about benchmarks like i just thought he was he was being a he was being acrobatic in his explanation right to justify the the the upsetting benchmark performance that we've seen so far and by upsetting i don't mean it's bad i just mean it's not as good as we had hoped it would be for the amount of money that you're spending well and they said or you said that some of the things were it actually performed worse on yes what was that what was that drop test i mean what what was it they they played kickball with it right so like they dropped it on their foot kicked it and they rolled pretty well i mean there were tests and and i'm not completely shocked by that because in single core performance in some tests it doesn't do as well as the m1 max or they're really close because the m1 ultra it's its power is its extra prores encoding engines it's extra cores uh cpu cores is extra gpu cores so if you're just doing something that measures single core performance then yeah it's it's not going to win necessarily in those benchmarks because you're not taking full advantage of of its benefits and and i get that but there's a lot of those kinds of tests that that it seems to not really do a whole lot better so that begs the question what is the m1 ultra actually better at right like what is what is the purpose of all that happening in your wallet besides enriching apple yeah you know what i mean and again i ordered one i i'm not like abandoned ship this thing but i do wonder maybe it seems as though most of us probably would be better off with the m1 max unless you're doing something really specific that takes advantage of the m1 ultra's power but that kind of goes back to my question what are those things right like in what areas do you would the m1 ultra actually be completely utilized if you're doing a lot of 8k content it seems that seems to be one of the areas but if you're doing 4k content it doesn't seem like you're actually gaining a whole lot by by switching to the m1 ultra i don't know i mean that's why i'm buying one so i can do the test myself but it is surprising right like it it it should have been in this in this first round of benchmarks we were all like holding our breath and excited to see what happened and then once we saw the results it was like whoopee cushion you know it was like it was very deflating i was like wait a second i spent four grand five grand on this machine that the machine that max tech was was using was um almost six grand and it's like wait a second like this isn't necessarily outperforming my macbook pro now that is a pickle because that's a whole lot of extra money and i know you like pickles i do like pickles i actually picked these pickles are delicious i also love pickles like you know those those big weird ones the gross are at the uh gas station the fluorescent ones like those flasks and creams are just floating around in that jar of urine all right let's see here um let me see samuel burka is saying i think apple's playing safe the mac studio is going 60 of power there has not been a mac os update since the mac studio well that could be it i mean the answer might just be updates right we just need updates but if that's true then where are those updates the mac studio has been out for a week and there are no updates yet and going back to what tim baker in the chat saying is the verge cast was saying that the beauty of the m1 ultra was that it didn't require apps to update to support it yeah that's that's that's what my understanding is too the whole point of the m1 ultra was that your system sees it as one soc so why would apps have to update for it that's that's the part that troubles me and makes me think that maybe we're not actually going to see significant performance increases going forward even with updates so i don't know i'm just giving you guys the information and this is the stuff that i think about because i'm plurking down my own money on this and from my perspective i'm like well if i didn't spend the extra money for the for the m1 ultra that pays for the the apple studio display which we'll talk about here in a minute so it's a lot of extra money you know two grand for the m1 ultra is a lot of extra money and if you're not gonna get that much value out of it then then it's worth talking about because you might want to save yourself the extra money i i don't know this is just all the stuff that i'm thinking about you\n"