Fitness+ studio tour, Alexa voice data used for advertising, and Jony Ive on utilitarian design

**Interview with Insider's Host**

We were joined today by William, the host of Insider's popular tech podcast. We dove into various topics related to Apple and its latest products.

**Discussion on Colors on MacBooks**

One topic that came up was the lack of color options on some of Apple's recent MacBook Pro models. "That would just be adding deep complexity to it," said William. "You're you're being harsh on poor old Apple who just try to get a job done well Tim Cook you know being the supply chain Co at heart the operating officer I imagine he's like you know optimized for getting these products out the door you know if you can't offer colors on the MacBook Pro so be it so I you know I get it I think colors in the new Macbook Air would go a long way that's all I'll say yes absolutely I do agree." William and his co-host discussed the possibility of color options being added to future MacBook models.

**Delay in Shipping for Mac Studio and MacBook Pro**

Unfortunately, Apple's latest products have been delayed. The Mac Studio, MacBook Pro, and even the studio display have experienced delays in shipping due to high demand. "It's like the initial demand is flooding the orders and presumably a pent-up demand has been sated now so I'm not sure why this is going on unless it's Supply problems maybe chip shortages any," said William. He noted that these devices are still available for pre-order, but delivery times have increased significantly.

**WWDC and Hardware Releases**

The upcoming WWDC event has generated excitement among tech enthusiasts, particularly when it comes to hardware releases. "If something is possibly couldn't come out you could order a brand new Mac now and it wouldn't be delivered until after WWDC and you could come to regret your decision should you now wait to see or will it be worse that you've got to buy eventually," said William. He emphasized the importance of considering the potential risks of delaying a purchase in anticipation of a future release.

**Q&A Session**

The show concluded with a Q&A session, where listeners can submit their questions and topics for discussion. William encouraged his audience to tweet at him or check out the show notes for more information on how to participate. He also mentioned that he will be joined by guest W on the show in two weeks' time, where they will answer all your difficult questions about Williams Wikipedia page.

**Supporting the Show**

The hosts thanked their supporters who have chosen to support the show through Patreon and Apple Podcasts. They encouraged everyone to check out Homekit Insider's latest episode, which features a discussion on Sonos Voice Assistant and Amazon Voice Assistant technology.

"Thanks for tuning in we'll catch you next time," said William, wrapping up the show.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwelcome to the Apple Insider podcast this is your host Steven Roz and today we got a schoras board of topics from Skywalker sound using Max in their audio setup we have some interesting news about Voice Assistant some maybe using your data for advertising and we'll get some one password and password app updates this episode is brought to you by vog Duo you make great Gan chargers for your devices we'll talk about them in a moment and joining me this week back from across the pond my friend William Gallagher how's it going William hello actually it's kind of going a bit wearily to be fair cuz weily yeah I've been listening and you've been talking about this Wikipedia page you found about me but you've done that now haven't you we can move on yeah no no no now I finally get to address it with you directly first of all I was trying to find a high quality image of you because in the Apple podcast app if you scroll down to our show page and now has wonderful pictures of the different hosts you on there Wes Mike myself our pictures are there which is very cool some of our recent guests as well you'll see the full pictures which is really cool but in finding this picture when I Googled your name I saw a William Gallagher Wikipedia page something that I envy one day I hope I hope to give a Wikipedia page just stop right there if you just wanted a photograph you could have asked me but no you were stalking me online that's what was going on I was right here sent me some I have press images he sent me some low reses 200 pixel like postage stamp uh image so no I went for the high quality stuff sorry that was a mistake um I've some shots from The Writer's Guild that I actually look reasonable in they're mostly of the back of my head but they look better so we should talk okay no no your picture on this Wikipedia page is very good very it's like black and white you look I don't know you look artsy and artistic but anyway I just have some questions here um looking through this Wikipedia page it has some writing credits for things like Doctor Who yes have you written for like Doctor Who stuff I wrote Doctor Who radio dramas for big finish in the BBC and that's why there's a Wikipedia page about me you can't breathe out in the same post code as Doctor Who without someone doing a Wikipedia Wikipedia page on you so I know that's how it started but I got AE I was actually very impressed it's mostly accurate as well and um one of my editors told me that out of I'm sure he said had a phone call from some Wikipedia editor checking that I was the same person who did something I did not know Wikipedia was that thorough I was already quite impressed oh was very thorough in your bio at the very last paragraph it says he is presently doing the same meaning Apple Centric reviews and other features at appleinsider.com and I was hoping maybe in that final line it would include something like and co-host the Apple Insider podcast with Steven robbles and maybe I would have a chance of being on Wikipedia But but not yet it does not mention me or the Apple Insider podcast at all but that's fine this is a very impressive Wikipedia page do you know how to find out who has been editing a page is there one person out there who quite dull job is looking after my page or is it just whoever goes on byy I think it can be crowdsourced like you can create an account and submit changes I think there's maybe some review process and so you know multiple people can add stuff to a Wikipedia page so I think not anyone anyone but I think you can go through a process of being approved to create and edit Wikipedia pages but I was just very impressed I was you got all these credits here you got a nice photo mentions Apple Insider so it's very cool I so my question to you is William are you in fact famous are you a famous person uh how can you possibly check yes yes yes yes you are yes you are I didn't know included Apple Insider so it's fairly up to dat isn't it that's very impressive I think yeah except for this podcast but whatever yeah that's fine that's fine we got lots of stuff to talk about so let's jump into it do want to give some shout outs we had some festar reviews SL 41 from the USA Braden from Nova Scotia Canada big buo from the United Kingdom I think he's good friends with William Gallagher big buo and Rousey 1973 from the USA thank you for those five star reviews very cool I wanted to mention this real quick it was Star Wars day earlier this week May the 4th you know if you don't get the pun you know may the fource May the 4th it's a pun anyway Apple actually released a video Behind the scenes of how Skywalker sound who does the sound for the Star Wars movies uses Mac devices in their Studio the video is pretty incredible you really get behind the scenes of like their server room and how they have their stuff connected together they have 130 Mac Pros rack mounted in this studio which is incredible you know if you were wondering who's buying those Mac Pros well Skywalker sound bought 130 of the rack mounted versions in case you were wondering and it's actually impressive they have equipment to sync those Mac Pros together so when they are in the editing room or even in the screening room they can control those computers and the playback of all the stuff in there so it's really cool they show some of the Foley work which is how they make some of the sound effects and they basically like drop a bunch of metal things to make some sound effects and like make a mic do feedback by a speaker for lightsaber sounds very cool they basically have a bunch of Mac computers they have some mac minis running Pro Tools all this kind of stuff it was very cool just to see some of the behind the scenes for that do you see any of those images with that video oh yeah I it's it's so well made it's riveting the sheer joy of the people working there it's just tremendous here in the UK there used to be a quite a Cheesy show called heartbeat uh uh police come up and drama set in a village all this sort of happy stuff set in the 60s and uh when would it been made uh '90s I think even then the editors had a shared iTunes library with every 1960s track they C and as they got to a bit that had somebody on a bicycle they'd search the keyword bicycle pull up the tune pop it into the show go and move on I felt Skywalker s was a little more precise just a little bit more concerned that's pretty legit they're pretty legit so well anyway that was cool we'll put a link in the show notes you can watch that video also we actually got a little bit of more information about WWDC Apple announced that starting May 9th which is next week as you listen to this episode developers can actually apply to attend the June 6th keynote from WWDC in person it's still not clear where they're actually going to be doing the screening or where people who go in person will be watching the event the keynote video because again it's not a live presentation these developers are basically going to watch the keynote and the State of the Union Address with other developers and apple staff employees presumably there's also going to be developer only special events that they will be able to do in person at Apple Park so still interested are they going to do this outside by the rainbow Courtyard in the middle of the Spaceship Campus are they going to do it in the Steve Jobs theater so still don't know for sure but you can apply to be a part of it you know I have a developer account will maybe I should apply you think they'd let me go why not um I had a I I suddenly thought I was certain absolutely certain that what I'd heard was that there was a new developer Center at Apple Park but maybe I just misheard and it's this this is the new developer program uh for it if there is a new center and I'm starting to think there is maybe that's where this screening will be but I love the idea of it being in the Steve Jobs theater because at one point surely the video will show uh Tim Cook in the Steve Job Center so you'll be in the Center watching the center I love that kind of meta kind of oh you just looking at me now no no no no I like it yeah it's going to be Tim Cook could be sitting next to you as you watch Tim Cook on screen inside the Steve Jobs theater who you might mention Steve Jobs you never know triple meta so I'm looking at the actual announcement from Apple and they said I'm just going to read this for btim gather with others in the developer Community to watch the keynote and State of the Union videos alongside Apple engineers and experts explore the allnew developer Center so there is some kind of physical developer Center and so much more this celebration marks the start of an inspiring week of sessions labs and lounges all right well there you go so are youed to live next to a film studio that had five stages and outside the front door there was a pub that everybody called stage six I bet the developer Center is the secret name for the bar at Apple Park it would fit wouldn't it there we go nice very nice all right also behind the scenes look YouTuber I Justine she's been covering Apple for such a long time she's got you know millions of subscribers on YouTube but she got to do a behind the-scenes tour of the Apple Fitness Plus Studio most of the videoos her talking to some of the Apple Fitness people and the VP of fitness and kind of just talking about the program but we did get a couple shots behind the scenes of the live production room that they use to film the actual Apple Fitness Plus workouts and it's pretty wild like if you're familiar with video production they have a multiv view where you see the different cameras and they also have a system showing where heart rate and activity Rings will be displayed on screen so that those doing the camera movements and switching will know not to put things where the activity Rings or heart rate might be the cameras are mostly robotic so the control room for the switching and the filming and all that they control the cameras remotely so there's a minimum number of people in the actual Fitness Studio so pretty cool you know it's wild to think that Apple has legit Video Production Studios where they're doing you know live switching and recording for their own stuff and actually this is not in Apple Park this is in Santa Monica yeah Santa Monica is where the studio is it's deeply impressive uh setup I mean the production is just perfect it's I think you don't appreciate it until you see someone else's workout video just how precisely well done Apple does I mean taste Talent it's uh incredibly impressive I I think yeah and I think with this kind of special behind the-scenes feature Wes and I talked about what are we going to see at WWDC I could see them pushing more into that Fitness Plus service I've talked about they can add kind of ongoing workout tracks like 100 day 150-day programs so you can actually kind of follow one program for an extended period of time maybe some new workouts I mean they're adding new workouts all the time and group classes I think would be the big feature to take on the likes of pelaton where you can actually do a live workout with others using some kind of FaceTime share play you know a live broadcasted which you know now that I think about it that setup that they use to record the Fitness Plus workouts could easily be used for a live streamed workout so you can tune in at a specific time you know say 10:00 a.m. eastern or probably more like 1 or 2: p.m. Eastern 10:00 a.m. Pacific and do a workout with a live instructor knowing that there's so many other people also tuning in and I don't know that'd be pretty cool I think that would make it an attractive option for those that like the group workout scenarios but actually even recording ones already have the uh the fitness bar showing your uh State compared to other people who have taken uh the current thing I always seem to be in the middle I don't know I never go below the middle but I never get any higher oh so maybe it's just stuck okay you know I do I'll be honest though I do get little notifications on my Apple watch sometimes William that it says William completed a workout I see you doing stuff over there what do you what do you do when you do a Fitness Plus workout what are your preferences um sorry you're breaking up there um no you can't deny this I get the notification unless you're strapping it to some animal and it's running around London I got to imagine you're doing something yeah uh you doing uh I know you're in a secret bunker with MI6 so I don't want to cuz you stalk me photographs you could be tracking my fitness this is getting rather scary searching the internet that next you'll be using my air tags no no oh not even getting into that we talked so much about no no air tag no air tag talk all right so I do want to mention this Apple Store Union thing we haven't talked a lot about it on the show but it's getting close to this one Apple Store it's Cumberland Mall in Atlanta Georgia where there's about7 workers that are wanting to form a union mostly to raise that starting pay for Apple employees 70% of the workers at this store have signed cards of support planned to file a petition with the National Labor Relations Board they are mostly wanting the starting pay which is right now $20 at this particular store to increase to $28 claiming that for a single parent in Atlanta Georgia it really should be $31 as starting pay so they're not even asking for 31 they're wanting 28 so this vote is going to be happening on June second you know whether or not it's actually going to move forward we'll find out more then reminder that Apple has hired the same Law Firm that Starbucks used to discourage Union formation they've hired that law firm to kind of squelch this effort but if it does move forward in this one store it's going to set an interesting precedent for other Apple Stores and you know I was thinking about this it's an interesting problem for Apple specifically like when you look at the other technology companies Google does not have stores where they have to deal with retail uh employee Workforce Microsoft they've shuttered their stores so they don't have physical stores anymore Amazon you could say does have Whole Foods and they do have a couple of their Amazon grocery stores but when it comes to the tech arm of Amazon you know there's not really like a retail Force for that you get an echo on Amazon like from their website or you go to Best Buy Target and you buy their devices there so I do feel like this is a uniquely Apple problem that has a very large retail Workforce specifically selling Apple products and you know I don't have a lot of experience experience or knowledge on unions specifically so I'll throw to you William do you have any thoughts or insight into this yes I'm a member of the R's Guild here in Great Britain I'm about to stand again to be Deputy chair of it so I am very Pro unions and can pay is one thing and of course that's important and of course any company APPA that will try to keep it low and workers need it to be higher there's always going to be that battle but uh there's also conditions and we know from the Apple 2 campaign that have been some foul situation in Apple retail around the world and clearly Apple management isn't fixing it maybe a union would help so I'm very Pro the unions I good luck to them okay well there you go Sonos which is the maker of the smart speakers they make Soundbars they make the wireless speakers like whole home audio they support AirPlay too so we actually talk about them a lot on The homekit Insider podcast which we talk about this specifically on Monday's episode as well if you want to tune into to that but sonus is actually coming out with their own voice assistant it will be hey Sonos it will be just for the Sonos you know sound and audio devices it will work with things like apple music dieser Amazon music not support for Spotify or YouTube music just yet I guess they're working on that but William I saw this and I was like I just don't I don't think the world needs another Voice Assistant I don't know I mean I would take a William Gallagher hey William Voice Assistant but I don't think I don't think we need another Sonos one what do you think about this no no Gallagher no actually six volumes of thoughts going through my head then about how irritating Alexa and recently Siri have been as well I love Siri but it's been driving me spare just in the last few days over some things so maybe a new friend coming along with sorted air but I'm never going to buy a Sonos uh speaker so I'll never know and I'm I'm shut out from all of that now I am actually getting a Sonos speaker for the new house I'm getting the Arc for a a home theater type setup in one of the rooms cuz I didn't want to do a bunch of you know five individual wired speakers although I'm doing that in a different room but anyway I do have a Sonos Arc Sonos are very popular they are pretty uh pricey depending on what model you go with although they are announcing a lower-end soundbar for $249 called the Sonos Ray again we talk about that on hkid Insider but I found an interesting another Voice Assistant I'm not sure if we need it and this is also on the heels which I thought this was this was very poignant Amazon and its Voice Assistant Alexa which you just mentioned the Verge actually reported that Amazon and third parties including advertising and tracking services does collect data from your interactions with Alexa through Echo smart speakers and share it with as many as 41 advertising partners and that data is then used to infer user interest serve targeted ads on platform both on the echo devices and off platform like on the web and apparently this type of data The Voice Assistant data is in hot demand this is actually from The Verge report they say that it leads to 30 times higher ad bids from advertisers because this data I guess is just better for that tracking figuring out the interests of users and Amazon did confirm with the Verge that they do use the voice data with Alexa interactions to inform relevant ads shown on Amazon and other sites now wow again we talk about this at length on homekit Insider I feel like this was one of the things that plays into if you have friends and relatives who hand wavy just say I know my phone's listening all the time whatever like I've just accepted it and typically me as someone who is a proponent of Apple devices and pretty confident they do not use that data for advertising they will use it for Diagnostic purposes and now you do get that popup when you set up like a homepod or if you're setting up Siri for the first time on an iPhone or iPad it'll say do you want to share audio recordings to help Apple make the product better and you can say no you can say no don't share my audio recordings but apparently uh with Alexa devices your voice recordings at least when you interact with the device it is not saying that it's listening all the time as a lot of people I think kind of assume it's just always listening it's not that case but when you do interact with it and you say the Wake word and whatever you say during those commands Amazon is using what you say for advertising sharing that with advertising partners and we'll even customize advertisements on the web with that data goodness yeah this is the world we live in now William I mean you knew it's just I winced at 41 I had no idea you can't knock am if they're going to do something at least do it thoroughly I suppose but sure I just wrote a thing about um a possible Apple car paintting application that would have Siri understand when you say take me to the gardening store that it would look for the local one and take you to it and I was thinking Apple map Siri it'll be which is the closest uh is open now and things like that and if it was Alexa it would be something like who which grocery store which gardening store has paid me to drive somebody nearby and uh somehow it seems worse the car taking you an extra five miles around just to pass an Advertiser but yeah right and you know I actually did see a Tik Tok video I think of someone who ordered an Uber or a lift I forget which one it was and it was a self-driving car that went to pick them up and so they got in the car no driver no one else in the vehicle there's a little screen on the back of the seat and you can say you know hello William this is your ride this is your destination are you ready to go you tap the screen and the car just drives itself away to your destination and listen I've been to to London William I know all those the black cabs that scour the city would you step into one of those if there was no driver and you just knew it was going to drive itself to your destination would you do that no no you wouldn't trust it that's a quality of information you're getting from me today no I hesitate because the the first ever time I got into a Tesla for a test drive and the salesman was talking about how great it is you don't have to you have to watch road but not as much and I'm thinking yeah right never going to take my eyes off that road we're on a Motorway it's really fast and then he said and this is the button for Radio 4 and I went oh i' have a look at that and suddenly realized I was not paying any attention to the road at all F that quickly trusted the car so maybe maybe this if I knew getting I can think we're going to get used to this but it would be disturbing I mean yeah particularly in London with the knowledge and the traffic and the situations around there did the person get to where they were going oh they didn't include they didn't include that in the video suspicious they just did the beginning yeah I think they're still alive I think they're still making videos that just didn't conclude that one so you know I would want to try it in maybe a more rural area before I do like highway driving or or like Manhattan City driving but I don't know I would I would try it I would try it but anyway The Voice Assistant thing with Alexa you know I've we literally do hkit Insider podcast because we believe that homekit is one of the best when it comes to privacy and security as far as smart home devices and I think this free emphasizes that point you know the Amazon assistant does have many more device compatibility and works with things like smart faucets and other things that homekit just does not work with yet yet just does not have Direct Control they can do some of those things but you know I saw this one faucet this is only because we're you know building a new house there's actually a faucet that integrates with Amazon's assistant where you can tell it to fill a pot with a certain amount of water like fill it with four cups water fill it with eight cups water and it will literally the faucet will turn on fill it with eight cups and then turn itself off so you don't have to measure it it's just all automated it's like man that's pretty cool but H I'm good like I just don't think I'm going to have an Alexa anywhere I think I'm good do you have any alexas I don't want to make it feel bad I do I have one Alexa well my wife Andrew was giving it as a present and actually the other day it did suddenly remind her that she has occasionally ordered I can't remember what it was something she's bought a couple times over the years um might do you want that again and that was a right surprise she told it no quite firmly yeah yeah don't talk to me don't talk to me unless spoken to how about that Echo let's do that I'll tell you one thing because we have homeb mini and Echo dot thing next to TV set and so often something on the TV will trigger the homepod mini but it almost never triggers Alexa cuz Amazon has this really clever thing of analyzing the frequency of the sounds and knowing that it's on television and is's not poison room it's so technically fascinating but you know we didn't want whatever it was it wanted us to buy it's also great at hearing when you want some cereal and it just ships you some Cheerios and charges your card automatically no I'm just kidding it does not do that and um I'm also C curious if it will sorry are you laughing at the Cheerios there's a podcast called cial isn't there so you know you're trying to listen to that and suddenly cornflakes Cheerios we to okay yeah that's a very different cereal I don't want to go there that's that's a different kind of cereal no no information has come out about Google's assistant like the Google home devices but I can only imagine if Amazon is doing this and how big advertising is a part of Amazon's business Google even more so I mean their entire business model is basically advertised I have to imagine this is happening there as well but no reports have come out about the Google devices yet so we'll have to wait and see is there suddenly think there should be a Facebook smart assistant because surely they would want to do un what what why you want to watch the world burn no I I want a Wikipedia assistant that just reads me Williams Wikipedia page every night before I go to sleep I can just here Williams biography look I yeah it's very nice but I think you should stop now you you know that you need a little bit help look at all the other William gagers on there there's a baseball player or something with my name so or something you know I'm now just thinking about this when I was in elementary school I actually had a friend his name was Billy Gallagher oh yeah but obviously his first full name was William I've known a William Gallagher for almost my entire life that's something it just popped into my head anyway not not not really relevant but just wanted to say so I have never met anyone like you there you go thought throw that back at you 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redesigned has some new features like working across apps not just in the web browser and in the Standalone app but if you open an app on your Mac and there's a login window one password can Auto fill it there plus some other features this was a controversial update when it was first announced because one password stated it's going to use electron which is a kind of developing platform that slack uses where it's not a super native app it's not you know written in Apple's like Objective C Coco like all that kind of stuff it is written in a more universal language and then electron translates it to the different platforms but I've downloaded I downloaded on day one I got one password 8 on my Mac it is electron but I will say one the design is really nice I really love the redesign it feels modern it looks and feels like a Mac app when you open it I do think that it has fixed some of the little bugs here and there using it in a web browser like Safari could be a little buggy previously where it wouldn't like activate sometimes I would have to open the full app in order to get the little toolbar extension to activate that seems to have been fixed it's much more reliable now and it is even better on my iOS devices the iOS apps I don't think were updated recently it seems to be working there as well anyway I think I like it you know going to be using it for a long term but I know you're a one password user also William did you upgrade to version 8 on one of my Macs yes I haven't got around to doing it on the other just the one I was using on the day it came out and I haven't used it very much but I do like the look of it I worry about the electron side though cuz I'm thinking distant memory of one of the reasons Java didn't really take off was um it was seen as this language that sat over whatever the platform was and if you wrote to that you wrote to every platform but it meant you were kind of beholden to that it out of your control you were right if electron decides to go wrong or crash or something then all the apps are gone that would otherwise have worked and I I was I didn't think it was a terrible decision uh to move to it but I was disappointed when one password did it particularly CU like the way they announced it was we started on the Mac we're sticking to the Mac we've got a new plan to work only from the Mac except we're not we're then doing it on the electron from the iOS version it felt like they were excusing moving to electron and that kind of worried me and uh slack is an electron uh app as you mentioned and slack goes wrong uh sometimes for no Obviously good reason so it feels like it's an abstraction layer that presumably they had to do but um I'm kind of cautious I will upgrade my other Mac um soon I get five minutes but no actually I know why because um because I'm a one password 7even user the first thing that happens is it says do you want to move your data over and of course you say yes and when I tried it it stuck stuck there stud there uh with a screen saying do not quit this app waiting for the data to migrate and after half an hour oh goodness I thought stuff this I quit the app started again and then suddenly everything all worked so you could actually say day one minute one first experience of an electron app didn't work so that's actually really quite scary now put that back in my head thanks for reminding me yeah of that any kind of like hangup like that when it comes to your entire password database is a little scary yeah and that's why you know again my experience was fine moving to one password 8 I did it on two different Macs Mac Studio MacBook Pro it was fine I do save all my passwords in iCloud keychain as well and I've been putting my two-factor codes in iCloud keychain I like that idea of having both I would recommend if you use one password you know you can export your en ire database as a file and maybe you can literally print that out like physically and put it in a safe that might be a good idea or at least save that file somewhere very secure you know not maybe like in Dropbox or something like maybe some some like on a hard drive and put that in a safe or something but it's been good you know one little thing I don't know if this is an a one password 8 update or whatever but whenever I'm in a web browser and the little login Fields there would be that one password symbol right there and before you would have to click it it would tell tell you to do a keyboard shortcut which would open the one password extension and then you do your fingerprint or password and then you could sign in and now whenever I click that in a website it just prompts for a Touch ID on the keyboard and it can authenticate right away I don't have to do the keyboard shortcut anymore so I don't know if that was a one password 8 update but it is a welcome change and so it's been working well for sure we still get that fight though don't we oh yeah you go to a password field and it's Safari and one password no no no me me kind for it so I got used to clicking around the side of one of the dialog boxes yeah it's very very tedious like a game of operation you got to just tap the right autofill thing but I just I have not felt comfortable turning one of them off you know cuz if you turn off the iCloud keychain autofill it's going to not save them you know when you log in and I don't want to do that so I'll deal with both of them active no problem not a problem I will say Malcolm had a kind of Roundup of all the different password apps with this one password update obviously you have iCloud keych but you also have last pass dash lane Nord pass you have a bunch of different password options out there so if you do want to try different apps you can do that I'll put a link to this article but I will say I mean really consider the Apple password consider Apple's iCloud keychain solution because it is very good it does the two- Factor authentication really well now and you can create a little series shortcut I have this I'll put a link in the show notes to the shortcut so you can just download it but you can have a shortcut that jumps you directly to the passwords screen in settings you don't have to like tap the settings app scroll down tap passwords login you can just do a one shortcut even a home screen icon and jump right to the password screen if you want to use it kind of like as your password app so I will I'm going to do it right now so I remember but I will put that shortcut in the show notes oh you up thank you yeah yeah yeah along the password topic it was actually last year at WWDC that Apple announced that it's working towards a future without passwords that while iCloud keychain will save Lo and passwords they're hoping that one day there'll be a pass key feature where your iCloud keychain will just let you into the different websites that you have saved in this Pass Key and you won't have to deal with email and passwords or username and passwords anymore that it'll be like kind of a Hardware security key that will just authenticate you as you use that specific device and there's other companies that are actually on board to doing this I believe it's like Google Microsoft as well yeah they're big players in this yes so Microsoft Apple Google you know they're all in on this Pass key thing and it's Pho is the company for like that is kind of trying to create the universal Pass key that will go across platforms curious I mean I think in the future I don't know how many years it'll be but you might not have to deal with usernames and passwords anymore it might just be whatever your device is your iPhone maybe your Apple watch will kind of be your Hardware Pass Key to everything and it will just let you in as you use that device that' be a cool future except I read the announcement from Apple and Google and photo and all this and you go through and it says CL you don't need passwords now we can do all sorts of things Touch ID biometric stuff and all this and it says it'll be very simple you'll just do this your device you can use a passcode which means should biometric fail for any reason you're down to a four or six-digit passcode to enter it and that seems substantially less secure than a password so yeah it's what's this a line from Star Trek isn't there uh the more you overthink the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain uh as soon as you can have password passcode access yeah forget the rest yeah that's interesting what is your I'm not going to ask what is your passcode but for the passcode on your iPhone you know you could do four digits you could do six digits you could do no passcode which I do not recommend or you can do an alpha numeric pass word where you can use letters numbers and symbols to unlock your iPhone which do you do William you're a four six or pass phrase kind of guy I'm a sixer um mostly because I that's I mean have four on the watch and I'm happy enough with that six okay but uh I know someone who was required to do the Fuller one and I swear they the the phone she's been given they block Touch ID as well so the number of times you has to slep through the most ridiculously contorted password uh for it I think I'll stick with six for the moment so I'm playing it both sides here six isn't secure enough and it's good enough for me so yeah yeah I go with the alpha numeric Pass Key on my iPhone and do the six digigit on the Apple watch oh and um yeah it's sometimes it's annoying like if face ID stops working or if you have to restart your phone for any reason but I don't know I like the idea of it being a little longer more secure that's how I do I actually I didn't know that you could do six digits on the watch I think actually I'm going to forget that I knew thank you very much anyway okay so update on the app removal Apple announced that apps that have been in the app store without any updates for a number of time it was kind of unspecified at first and now they've actually specified 3 years if developers have an app in the app store that is not updated in 3 years that they will be removed from the App Store unless there is some kind of update made and Apple has increased the deadline they said originally this is going to happen in 30 days but there was kind of a developer outcry like you're taking all of our stuff out of the App Store what's the deal Apple has extended that so developers have 90 days to do at least some kind of update to their app if it's been untouched for 3 years and I think Apple's again the Privacy nutrition labels which is something that was introduced believe it was iOS 14 if you haven't updated your app in over 3 years it does not have those the nutrition labels so Apple's probably trying to get more apps to adopt that but Apple also said that they're wanting apps to be updated to make sure they support the latest screen sizes and devices again you know 3 years ago didn't have you know the iPad Mini that we do now that new model there I'm not sure three years ago I guess the iPhone 12 mini that would have been yeah after 3 years ago so you know if your app was just 3 years ago last updated the iPhone Mini was not out so apple is trying to say we want to make sure that all apps support all the screen sizes do all the stuff probably want to get those nutrition labels in the App Store as well so developers have a little bit more time and it's extended to three years I had actually thought if I were a developer I'd just go in I don't know put a space at the end of the name save it again and we were done but you're right you can't do that now you have to add the nutrition labels and stuff and it's a quite a faf going through the forms for it so even just doing that is going to be quite a job especially you have a lot of apps I mean how long did it take Google to get around doing all of its yeah a lot of work yeah yeah for sure I thought this was fun there's a young filmmaker that really makes excellent videos films and he was doing it on a 2018 MacBook Pro with a 512 SSD and he was really struggling especially with some of that storage space he didn't really have a lot of external drive to be able to put his footage and so Apple actually partnered with the YouTube channel fro noos photo ran by Jared Poland and they actually gave this young man a bunch of new Apple equipment so he can continue making films they gave him a Mac Studio 14-inch MacBook Pro Studio display to go with that Mac Studio even gave him an iPhone a homepod mini magic keyboard and trackpad so really cool Apple given this to a young filmmaker and he was definitely excited you know he was on on the verge of tears cried when he received it and so really cool that Apple doeses that I I do think it's interesting of all those like Pro devices like the Mac Studio Studio display Macbook Pro that the only speaker Apple can give this young man is a homepod mini because that's really the only speaker that Apple sells right now I mean I guess he could have given him airpods Mac but they did throw in uh 24 terabyte stories that they don't make uh so yeah they could have bought Sonos with a new intelligent Siri like speaker they could have done more couldn't they but they did a huge amount it was very sweet to watch yes yeah it was very nice so Mike Peterson he had a fun article talking about the future of foldable devices that will we ever see a foldable iPhone or will it be more likely a foldable iPad or even MacBook I think this is interesting only because yesterday William just yesterday I was talking to somebody they went to take down my email they pulled their phone out of their pocket and they flipped it open and it was one of those Samsung flips I think I don't even know I don't know exactly what model it was because I don't know them that well but I actually saw a foldable phone in the wild William yes uh I saw the crease in the middle of the screen and that was off-putting but but it was there they exist out there same here I'm working with woman who has a folder ball of Samsung and I don't know well enough to ask more and I saw it when we were working together in the workshop but I was not close enough to see is the screen working or not but she seems very happy with it and it looked very good from afar but you're telling me it still creases up yeah I'm put off too I mean it's very subtle you know I was off angle because I was watching the guy put in my email address and so I could just see tiny little not like a line there wasn't anything visually but you could just see kind of the indentation because I mean the thing folds you know it's got to have some kind of material that will allow it to fold but Mike in this article is talking about you know is it a better chance that we might see foldable iPads or foldable MacBooks which again you could say MacBooks fold right now but the idea being that it' be kind of a full touchscreen device with a virtual keyboard and it would you know fold together I don't know William I I was talking the other day about 3D televisions and how that was a whole fad and then it just kind of disappeared and I know people are saying that like foldable phones are it like they're going to be the thing the next thing for smartphones and all that and I'm just not convinced yet William I'm not convinced that foldable phones is where we want to go I kind of miss the old flip phones if you in the olden days if you're having a g with somebody on a landline you could slam that phone down and with flip phones at least you could crunch it like you're doing something but with an phone is like never talk to me again it's the smallest little thing and I I want that physical action back but when you say that about 3D television yeah 3D television 3D films it's like every few years it comes into fashion and it fails and it goes away again maybe this will be the same but I can't wait to see this person I'm working with again and ask her more yeah you you should ask them I've seen actually probably two total I've seen two total foldable phones in the wild and you know it is compact in the pocket and when you bring it out it is a big screen so you know maybe okay hang on so a moment ago you'd seen one and then because I'd seen one no no you've seen two and things I see that as is building yeah yeah that's right no no I I just remembered just came just came to my mind just came to my mind so Tony Fidel who was worked at Apple was on the teams for the first iPod and iPhone then went on to do Nest the thermostats before they were bought by Google he had an interview with John Fort of CNBC to promote his new book called build where he talks a lot about the behind the scenes of the product development of those first iPods and iPhones and he said some things that we kind of knew before that when the iPod was coming out Steve Jobs did not want to make iTunes for Windows and it actually took uh Tony Fidel bringing in journalist Walt Mossberg who you know ran the uh the all things D conference with Caris Swisher then went on to do recode at The Verge and all that but Walt Mossberg is actually the one that help convince Steve Jobs to bring iTunes to Windows which you could argue was a big reason why those early iPods were a huge success because you could get it and sync it with whatever computer you had talked about firewire and how that was the only standard that could provide the fast syncing that Apple wanted to do at that point and it was interesting Tony Fidel actually tweeted an image of some of the concept devices they were working on around that time kind of the iPod but before the iPhone era and they actually had an iPod Nano that was all screen it was like basically a mini iPod touch or a mini iPhone you could say and that was actually one of the concept devices that they were working on which if you remember there was I think it was dubbed the iPod mini but it had a touchscreen and a click wheel if I'm remembering correctly like eventually they did come out with a device like that but this all screen like iPod Nano is pretty interesting got quite fancy that book na you've said it um I'll look into that one yeah I've been wanting to read that it's build by Tony Fidel and yeah there was oh no I'm sorry there it was an iPod Nano it had a home button and it did have a touch screen with kind of like that proprietary OS and so they eventually did come out with a nano with a screen but it wasn't that full screen Nano that this uh prototype looks like so yeah that book is build by Tony Fidel and then another book this is trip mckl wrote the book after Steve how Apple became a trillion dollar company and lost its Soul pretty pretty negative title on Apple right there there but this book talks a lot about Johnny IV his history at the company and why he left the company eventually and the book talks about how I've resigned after years of frustration seeing the company migrate from a design Centric entity to one that was more utilitarian apparently I've showed the movie yesterday to his team as he was leaving the company and believed that that movie yesterday was a 2-hour exploration of the Eternal conflict between art and commerce and you know it's this is one of those things we obviously Johnny I comes up a lot when you talk about Apple devices in the era kind of from 2015 where that was kind of the last MacBook Pro that had ports because the 2016 MacBook Pros and later just had USBC and nothing else until just recently the 2021 version of the MacBook Pro that has HDMI and you have mag safe brought back you have the SD card slot and we kind of think of that era as when Johnny I kind of went full eye will say and really wanted to just get rid of all the ports go as thin as possible to the I think sacrifice of some of the utilitarian like necessary use cases of those devices and so you know obviously Johnny IV is incredible designer it was from his mind we have the iconic products like the iPhone and the iPad you know he was head product and software designer for a while there yeah it's interesting to see now the products that apple is making like the Mac Studio the latest MacBook Pro with that utilitarian feeling kind of behind the scenes and as I had Jason Snell on the show recently and we talked about the Mac Studio and you know he described the Mac Studio as a homely device meaning it's not super attractive in its design but it's not really meant to be it's meant to be utilitarian but I do think that Apple has struck a balance between really beautiful design like you look at the 24-in iMac with M1 that's a beautiful computer I imagine the updated MacBook Air when it comes out is going to be incredible you look at the iPad mini and the iPhone 13 like these are great designs they are beautiful devices made with premium materials and all that and then for product lines that really would use more utilitarian ports and functionality I think apple is making the right choices there and things like the Mac Studio and I imagine the coming Mac Pro possibly at WWDC what do you think William does Apple still have its design touch along with its utilitarian nature the max GD is just a bit ugly that's what I think but I still w't you're not even saying homely you just said outright ugly no all the way I'm not saying it's as bad as I I used to work in a magazine where the art desk and the production desk they had a uh one spare Mac and I had to use it one day hot desk thing and as I sat down at it every single art and production person in the desk watch to see how long until he hates the the mouse it was the um the original iMac with the the hockey puck Mouse uh instantaneously wrong in every possible way and horrible to use and I don't think that of the Mac Studio I just think it's a bit I mean it's a block of aluminum with ports in it that's all it is but ultimately isn't any computer just that well that was meant to be profound and you just know yeah I was I mean the iMac is not it's aluminum but it's very colorful that's true I I mean I feel like apple just bring if it brought colors to things I think that would make a big difference especially on the pro devices like the Mac Pro the new one that everybody loves if they had done colors people would have gone nuts like still do the gray space gray options but if they had a blue yes and even like I don't know a green like it could still look professional like the machine itself looks professional it's got an SD card slot and an HDMI port and I think colors would really just add to it I think Apple just needs to to get off the pro devices are gray consumers are colored I think if they just make color devices everywhere I think people would be happy about it I of B color for my 14-in MacBook Pro if I could but I'm sorry my mind's going to the production line problem for that juggling you know seven different colors of things and the skus for it and just what if everybody wants blue and nobody wants green how you adjust that I mean the whole production thing is terribly fascinating anyway but that would just be adding deep complexity to it you're you're being harsh on poor old Apple who just try to get a job done well Tim Cook you know being the supply chain Co at heart the operating officer I imagine he's like you know optimized for getting these products out the door you know if you can't offer colors on the MacBook Pro so be it so I you know I get it I get it I think colors in the new Macbook Air would go a long way that's all I'll say yes absolutely I do agree yeah all right well you got anything else William it was it was a a little tiny bit of a shorter show it's not really not big news here I mean well funny if the one thing that's been on my mind it just pop into my head and you saying that when I said that about different colors and production things as we record this there seem to be been a sudden delay on shipping for the Mac Studio the MacBook Pro um and and maybe for the studio display I didn't look into it until I heard about the delay so I don't know what they used to be but right now if you order a studio display today it'll be delivered between 8 and 10 weeks and I think the worst situation is um if you configure an M1 Ultra it's 10 to 12 weeks so 3 months before you get that machine there's only the 16in MacBook Pro that you could actually buy uh today and get today and even then actually only the base configuration add anything change anything and it's about a month delay for it this is the kind of thing we see when these devices are first announced and it's like the initial demand is is flooding the orders and presumably a pent-up demand has been sated now so I'm not sure why this is going on unless it's Supply problems maybe chip shortages any I think I think it's supply chain overall uh I'm looking right now at the studio display I can pick up in store a regular studio display base model July 20 so what is that's over two months away so yeah 8 to 10 weeks and then the shipping is also 8 to 10 weeks so yeah it's it's a long way away yeah I think it's actually getting worse it's one of those things where you start looking into something and by the time you finished it's worse than when you started so order now if you want it in whatever 3 months from now is actually serious point though I I know WWDC is traditionally software and the way it always works is on the buildup people says it's going to be Hardware this year and then there isn't and everybody says well of course there weren't it was going to be software we always knew that but if there's ever going to be Hardware at a WWDC it'll be this one because it marks the end of the 2-year transition absolutely if that's true and if something is possibly couldn't come out you could order a brand new Mac now and it wouldn't be delivered until after WWDC and you could come to regret your decision should you now wait to see or will it be worse that you've got to buy eventually you can't not work on you pause your work until you get the right moment but it's a difficult decision a different time to make a decision there well honestly if something comes out at WWDC and pre-orders are that week if you order it right then as soon as it goes on sale you will probably get that before you something you order today yes like you would probably get whatever Mac Pro before you would get a Mac Studio that you ordered right now so something to keep in mind all right well listeners let us know shoot shoot us questions maybe for next week's show we'd love to answer kind of some frequently asked questions ask us anything you can tweet at William and myself or Twitter handles are in the show notes keep those five star reviews coming we appreciate those next week are you going to have W on the show uh in which case yes ask us any questions ask all the difficult questions absolutely all of them pile them in for next week okay and if you have questions about Williams Wikipedia page send those in and we'll do it in 2 weeks two weeks from right now we'll answer all your Wikipedia questions very fun and you can support the show directly in apple podcast or at patreon.com inssider where you get an adree version of the show Early Access Discord Channel all of that thank you to all of our supporters who do that already and of course thank you for oh and you can check out homekit Insider new episode comes out Monday we talk a lot about the Sonos Voice Assistant the Amazon Voice Assistant stuff so check that out link and show notes to HK inside as well thanks for tuning in we'll catch you next timewelcome to the Apple Insider podcast this is your host Steven Roz and today we got a schoras board of topics from Skywalker sound using Max in their audio setup we have some interesting news about Voice Assistant some maybe using your data for advertising and we'll get some one password and password app updates this episode is brought to you by vog Duo you make great Gan chargers for your devices we'll talk about them in a moment and joining me this week back from across the pond my friend William Gallagher how's it going William hello actually it's kind of going a bit wearily to be fair cuz weily yeah I've been listening and you've been talking about this Wikipedia page you found about me but you've done that now haven't you we can move on yeah no no no now I finally get to address it with you directly first of all I was trying to find a high quality image of you because in the Apple podcast app if you scroll down to our show page and now has wonderful pictures of the different hosts you on there Wes Mike myself our pictures are there which is very cool some of our recent guests as well you'll see the full pictures which is really cool but in finding this picture when I Googled your name I saw a William Gallagher Wikipedia page something that I envy one day I hope I hope to give a Wikipedia page just stop right there if you just wanted a photograph you could have asked me but no you were stalking me online that's what was going on I was right here sent me some I have press images he sent me some low reses 200 pixel like postage stamp uh image so no I went for the high quality stuff sorry that was a mistake um I've some shots from The Writer's Guild that I actually look reasonable in they're mostly of the back of my head but they look better so we should talk okay no no your picture on this Wikipedia page is very good very it's like black and white you look I don't know you look artsy and artistic but anyway I just have some questions here um looking through this Wikipedia page it has some writing credits for things like Doctor Who yes have you written for like Doctor Who stuff I wrote Doctor Who radio dramas for big finish in the BBC and that's why there's a Wikipedia page about me you can't breathe out in the same post code as Doctor Who without someone doing a Wikipedia Wikipedia page on you so I know that's how it started but I got AE I was actually very impressed it's mostly accurate as well and um one of my editors told me that out of I'm sure he said had a phone call from some Wikipedia editor checking that I was the same person who did something I did not know Wikipedia was that thorough I was already quite impressed oh was very thorough in your bio at the very last paragraph it says he is presently doing the same meaning Apple Centric reviews and other features at appleinsider.com and I was hoping maybe in that final line it would include something like and co-host the Apple Insider podcast with Steven robbles and maybe I would have a chance of being on Wikipedia But but not yet it does not mention me or the Apple Insider podcast at all but that's fine this is a very impressive Wikipedia page do you know how to find out who has been editing a page is there one person out there who quite dull job is looking after my page or is it just whoever goes on byy I think it can be crowdsourced like you can create an account and submit changes I think there's maybe some review process and so you know multiple people can add stuff to a Wikipedia page so I think not anyone anyone but I think you can go through a process of being approved to create and edit Wikipedia pages but I was just very impressed I was you got all these credits here you got a nice photo mentions Apple Insider so it's very cool I so my question to you is William are you in fact famous are you a famous person uh how can you possibly check yes yes yes yes you are yes you are I didn't know included Apple Insider so it's fairly up to dat isn't it that's very impressive I think yeah except for this podcast but whatever yeah that's fine that's fine we got lots of stuff to talk about so let's jump into it do want to give some shout outs we had some festar reviews SL 41 from the USA Braden from Nova Scotia Canada big buo from the United Kingdom I think he's good friends with William Gallagher big buo and Rousey 1973 from the USA thank you for those five star reviews very cool I wanted to mention this real quick it was Star Wars day earlier this week May the 4th you know if you don't get the pun you know may the fource May the 4th it's a pun anyway Apple actually released a video Behind the scenes of how Skywalker sound who does the sound for the Star Wars movies uses Mac devices in their Studio the video is pretty incredible you really get behind the scenes of like their server room and how they have their stuff connected together they have 130 Mac Pros rack mounted in this studio which is incredible you know if you were wondering who's buying those Mac Pros well Skywalker sound bought 130 of the rack mounted versions in case you were wondering and it's actually impressive they have equipment to sync those Mac Pros together so when they are in the editing room or even in the screening room they can control those computers and the playback of all the stuff in there so it's really cool they show some of the Foley work which is how they make some of the sound effects and they basically like drop a bunch of metal things to make some sound effects and like make a mic do feedback by a speaker for lightsaber sounds very cool they basically have a bunch of Mac computers they have some mac minis running Pro Tools all this kind of stuff it was very cool just to see some of the behind the scenes for that do you see any of those images with that video oh yeah I it's it's so well made it's riveting the sheer joy of the people working there it's just tremendous here in the UK there used to be a quite a Cheesy show called heartbeat uh uh police come up and drama set in a village all this sort of happy stuff set in the 60s and uh when would it been made uh '90s I think even then the editors had a shared iTunes library with every 1960s track they C and as they got to a bit that had somebody on a bicycle they'd search the keyword bicycle pull up the tune pop it into the show go and move on I felt Skywalker s was a little more precise just a little bit more concerned that's pretty legit they're pretty legit so well anyway that was cool we'll put a link in the show notes you can watch that video also we actually got a little bit of more information about WWDC Apple announced that starting May 9th which is next week as you listen to this episode developers can actually apply to attend the June 6th keynote from WWDC in person it's still not clear where they're actually going to be doing the screening or where people who go in person will be watching the event the keynote video because again it's not a live presentation these developers are basically going to watch the keynote and the State of the Union Address with other developers and apple staff employees presumably there's also going to be developer only special events that they will be able to do in person at Apple Park so still interested are they going to do this outside by the rainbow Courtyard in the middle of the Spaceship Campus are they going to do it in the Steve Jobs theater so still don't know for sure but you can apply to be a part of it you know I have a developer account will maybe I should apply you think they'd let me go why not um I had a I I suddenly thought I was certain absolutely certain that what I'd heard was that there was a new developer Center at Apple Park but maybe I just misheard and it's this this is the new developer program uh for it if there is a new center and I'm starting to think there is maybe that's where this screening will be but I love the idea of it being in the Steve Jobs theater because at one point surely the video will show uh Tim Cook in the Steve Job Center so you'll be in the Center watching the center I love that kind of meta kind of oh you just looking at me now no no no no I like it yeah it's going to be Tim Cook could be sitting next to you as you watch Tim Cook on screen inside the Steve Jobs theater who you might mention Steve Jobs you never know triple meta so I'm looking at the actual announcement from Apple and they said I'm just going to read this for btim gather with others in the developer Community to watch the keynote and State of the Union videos alongside Apple engineers and experts explore the allnew developer Center so there is some kind of physical developer Center and so much more this celebration marks the start of an inspiring week of sessions labs and lounges all right well there you go so are youed to live next to a film studio that had five stages and outside the front door there was a pub that everybody called stage six I bet the developer Center is the secret name for the bar at Apple Park it would fit wouldn't it there we go nice very nice all right also behind the scenes look YouTuber I Justine she's been covering Apple for such a long time she's got you know millions of subscribers on YouTube but she got to do a behind the-scenes tour of the Apple Fitness Plus Studio most of the videoos her talking to some of the Apple Fitness people and the VP of fitness and kind of just talking about the program but we did get a couple shots behind the scenes of the live production room that they use to film the actual Apple Fitness Plus workouts and it's pretty wild like if you're familiar with video production they have a multiv view where you see the different cameras and they also have a system showing where heart rate and activity Rings will be displayed on screen so that those doing the camera movements and switching will know not to put things where the activity Rings or heart rate might be the cameras are mostly robotic so the control room for the switching and the filming and all that they control the cameras remotely so there's a minimum number of people in the actual Fitness Studio so pretty cool you know it's wild to think that Apple has legit Video Production Studios where they're doing you know live switching and recording for their own stuff and actually this is not in Apple Park this is in Santa Monica yeah Santa Monica is where the studio is it's deeply impressive uh setup I mean the production is just perfect it's I think you don't appreciate it until you see someone else's workout video just how precisely well done Apple does I mean taste Talent it's uh incredibly impressive I I think yeah and I think with this kind of special behind the-scenes feature Wes and I talked about what are we going to see at WWDC I could see them pushing more into that Fitness Plus service I've talked about they can add kind of ongoing workout tracks like 100 day 150-day programs so you can actually kind of follow one program for an extended period of time maybe some new workouts I mean they're adding new workouts all the time and group classes I think would be the big feature to take on the likes of pelaton where you can actually do a live workout with others using some kind of FaceTime share play you know a live broadcasted which you know now that I think about it that setup that they use to record the Fitness Plus workouts could easily be used for a live streamed workout so you can tune in at a specific time you know say 10:00 a.m. eastern or probably more like 1 or 2: p.m. Eastern 10:00 a.m. Pacific and do a workout with a live instructor knowing that there's so many other people also tuning in and I don't know that'd be pretty cool I think that would make it an attractive option for those that like the group workout scenarios but actually even recording ones already have the uh the fitness bar showing your uh State compared to other people who have taken uh the current thing I always seem to be in the middle I don't know I never go below the middle but I never get any higher oh so maybe it's just stuck okay you know I do I'll be honest though I do get little notifications on my Apple watch sometimes William that it says William completed a workout I see you doing stuff over there what do you what do you do when you do a Fitness Plus workout what are your preferences um sorry you're breaking up there um no you can't deny this I get the notification unless you're strapping it to some animal and it's running around London I got to imagine you're doing something yeah uh you doing uh I know you're in a secret bunker with MI6 so I don't want to cuz you stalk me photographs you could be tracking my fitness this is getting rather scary searching the internet that next you'll be using my air tags no no oh not even getting into that we talked so much about no no air tag no air tag talk all right so I do want to mention this Apple Store Union thing we haven't talked a lot about it on the show but it's getting close to this one Apple Store it's Cumberland Mall in Atlanta Georgia where there's about7 workers that are wanting to form a union mostly to raise that starting pay for Apple employees 70% of the workers at this store have signed cards of support planned to file a petition with the National Labor Relations Board they are mostly wanting the starting pay which is right now $20 at this particular store to increase to $28 claiming that for a single parent in Atlanta Georgia it really should be $31 as starting pay so they're not even asking for 31 they're wanting 28 so this vote is going to be happening on June second you know whether or not it's actually going to move forward we'll find out more then reminder that Apple has hired the same Law Firm that Starbucks used to discourage Union formation they've hired that law firm to kind of squelch this effort but if it does move forward in this one store it's going to set an interesting precedent for other Apple Stores and you know I was thinking about this it's an interesting problem for Apple specifically like when you look at the other technology companies Google does not have stores where they have to deal with retail uh employee Workforce Microsoft they've shuttered their stores so they don't have physical stores anymore Amazon you could say does have Whole Foods and they do have a couple of their Amazon grocery stores but when it comes to the tech arm of Amazon you know there's not really like a retail Force for that you get an echo on Amazon like from their website or you go to Best Buy Target and you buy their devices there so I do feel like this is a uniquely Apple problem that has a very large retail Workforce specifically selling Apple products and you know I don't have a lot of experience experience or knowledge on unions specifically so I'll throw to you William do you have any thoughts or insight into this yes I'm a member of the R's Guild here in Great Britain I'm about to stand again to be Deputy chair of it so I am very Pro unions and can pay is one thing and of course that's important and of course any company APPA that will try to keep it low and workers need it to be higher there's always going to be that battle but uh there's also conditions and we know from the Apple 2 campaign that have been some foul situation in Apple retail around the world and clearly Apple management isn't fixing it maybe a union would help so I'm very Pro the unions I good luck to them okay well there you go Sonos which is the maker of the smart speakers they make Soundbars they make the wireless speakers like whole home audio they support AirPlay too so we actually talk about them a lot on The homekit Insider podcast which we talk about this specifically on Monday's episode as well if you want to tune into to that but sonus is actually coming out with their own voice assistant it will be hey Sonos it will be just for the Sonos you know sound and audio devices it will work with things like apple music dieser Amazon music not support for Spotify or YouTube music just yet I guess they're working on that but William I saw this and I was like I just don't I don't think the world needs another Voice Assistant I don't know I mean I would take a William Gallagher hey William Voice Assistant but I don't think I don't think we need another Sonos one what do you think about this no no Gallagher no actually six volumes of thoughts going through my head then about how irritating Alexa and recently Siri have been as well I love Siri but it's been driving me spare just in the last few days over some things so maybe a new friend coming along with sorted air but I'm never going to buy a Sonos uh speaker so I'll never know and I'm I'm shut out from all of that now I am actually getting a Sonos speaker for the new house I'm getting the Arc for a a home theater type setup in one of the rooms cuz I didn't want to do a bunch of you know five individual wired speakers although I'm doing that in a different room but anyway I do have a Sonos Arc Sonos are very popular they are pretty uh pricey depending on what model you go with although they are announcing a lower-end soundbar for $249 called the Sonos Ray again we talk about that on hkid Insider but I found an interesting another Voice Assistant I'm not sure if we need it and this is also on the heels which I thought this was this was very poignant Amazon and its Voice Assistant Alexa which you just mentioned the Verge actually reported that Amazon and third parties including advertising and tracking services does collect data from your interactions with Alexa through Echo smart speakers and share it with as many as 41 advertising partners and that data is then used to infer user interest serve targeted ads on platform both on the echo devices and off platform like on the web and apparently this type of data The Voice Assistant data is in hot demand this is actually from The Verge report they say that it leads to 30 times higher ad bids from advertisers because this data I guess is just better for that tracking figuring out the interests of users and Amazon did confirm with the Verge that they do use the voice data with Alexa interactions to inform relevant ads shown on Amazon and other sites now wow again we talk about this at length on homekit Insider I feel like this was one of the things that plays into if you have friends and relatives who hand wavy just say I know my phone's listening all the time whatever like I've just accepted it and typically me as someone who is a proponent of Apple devices and pretty confident they do not use that data for advertising they will use it for Diagnostic purposes and now you do get that popup when you set up like a homepod or if you're setting up Siri for the first time on an iPhone or iPad it'll say do you want to share audio recordings to help Apple make the product better and you can say no you can say no don't share my audio recordings but apparently uh with Alexa devices your voice recordings at least when you interact with the device it is not saying that it's listening all the time as a lot of people I think kind of assume it's just always listening it's not that case but when you do interact with it and you say the Wake word and whatever you say during those commands Amazon is using what you say for advertising sharing that with advertising partners and we'll even customize advertisements on the web with that data goodness yeah this is the world we live in now William I mean you knew it's just I winced at 41 I had no idea you can't knock am if they're going to do something at least do it thoroughly I suppose but sure I just wrote a thing about um a possible Apple car paintting application that would have Siri understand when you say take me to the gardening store that it would look for the local one and take you to it and I was thinking Apple map Siri it'll be which is the closest uh is open now and things like that and if it was Alexa it would be something like who which grocery store which gardening store has paid me to drive somebody nearby and uh somehow it seems worse the car taking you an extra five miles around just to pass an Advertiser but yeah right and you know I actually did see a Tik Tok video I think of someone who ordered an Uber or a lift I forget which one it was and it was a self-driving car that went to pick them up and so they got in the car no driver no one else in the vehicle there's a little screen on the back of the seat and you can say you know hello William this is your ride this is your destination are you ready to go you tap the screen and the car just drives itself away to your destination and listen I've been to to London William I know all those the black cabs that scour the city would you step into one of those if there was no driver and you just knew it was going to drive itself to your destination would you do that no no you wouldn't trust it that's a quality of information you're getting from me today no I hesitate because the the first ever time I got into a Tesla for a test drive and the salesman was talking about how great it is you don't have to you have to watch road but not as much and I'm thinking yeah right never going to take my eyes off that road we're on a Motorway it's really fast and then he said and this is the button for Radio 4 and I went oh i' have a look at that and suddenly realized I was not paying any attention to the road at all F that quickly trusted the car so maybe maybe this if I knew getting I can think we're going to get used to this but it would be disturbing I mean yeah particularly in London with the knowledge and the traffic and the situations around there did the person get to where they were going oh they didn't include they didn't include that in the video suspicious they just did the beginning yeah I think they're still alive I think they're still making videos that just didn't conclude that one so you know I would want to try it in maybe a more rural area before I do like highway driving or or like Manhattan City driving but I don't know I would I would try it I would try it but anyway The Voice Assistant thing with Alexa you know I've we literally do hkit Insider podcast because we believe that homekit is one of the best when it comes to privacy and security as far as smart home devices and I think this free emphasizes that point you know the Amazon assistant does have many more device compatibility and works with things like smart faucets and other things that homekit just does not work with yet yet just does not have Direct Control they can do some of those things but you know I saw this one faucet this is only because we're you know building a new house there's actually a faucet that integrates with Amazon's assistant where you can tell it to fill a pot with a certain amount of water like fill it with four cups water fill it with eight cups water and it will literally the faucet will turn on fill it with eight cups and then turn itself off so you don't have to measure it it's just all automated it's like man that's pretty cool but H I'm good like I just don't think I'm going to have an Alexa anywhere I think I'm good do you have any alexas I don't want to make it feel bad I do I have one Alexa well my wife Andrew was giving it as a present and actually the other day it did suddenly remind her that she has occasionally ordered I can't remember what it was something she's bought a couple times over the years um might do you want that again and that was a right surprise she told it no quite firmly yeah yeah don't talk to me don't talk to me unless spoken to how about that Echo let's do that I'll tell you one thing because we have homeb mini and Echo dot thing next to TV set and so often something on the TV will trigger the homepod mini but it almost never triggers Alexa cuz Amazon has this really clever thing of analyzing the frequency of the sounds and knowing that it's on television and is's not poison room it's so technically fascinating but you know we didn't want whatever it was it wanted us to buy it's also great at hearing when you want some cereal and it just ships you some Cheerios and charges your card automatically no I'm just kidding it does not do that and um I'm also C curious if it will sorry are you laughing at the Cheerios there's a podcast called cial isn't there so you know you're trying to listen to that and suddenly cornflakes Cheerios we to okay yeah that's a very different cereal I don't want to go there that's that's a different kind of cereal no no information has come out about Google's assistant like the Google home devices but I can only imagine if Amazon is doing this and how big advertising is a part of Amazon's business Google even more so I mean their entire business model is basically advertised I have to imagine this is happening there as well but no reports have come out about the Google devices yet so we'll have to wait and see is there suddenly think there should be a Facebook smart assistant because surely they would want to do un what what why you want to watch the world burn no I I want a Wikipedia assistant that just reads me Williams Wikipedia page every night before I go to sleep I can just here Williams biography look I yeah it's very nice but I think you should stop now you you know that you need a little bit help look at all the other William gagers on there there's a baseball player or something with my name so or something you know I'm now just thinking about this when I was in elementary school I actually had a friend his name was Billy Gallagher oh yeah but obviously his first full name was William I've known a William Gallagher for almost my entire life that's something it just popped into my head anyway not not not really relevant but just wanted to say so I have never met anyone like you there you go thought throw that back at you yeah thanks appreciate it this episode is brought to you by vog Duo Gan Chargers you know we've talked about Chargers on the show before I have a couple Gan Chargers but none that look as good as vog Duo's leather covered Chargers listen it's nice to have appealing stuff when you plug in your computer at a coffee shop or just for yourself when 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is a kind of developing platform that slack uses where it's not a super native app it's not you know written in Apple's like Objective C Coco like all that kind of stuff it is written in a more universal language and then electron translates it to the different platforms but I've downloaded I downloaded on day one I got one password 8 on my Mac it is electron but I will say one the design is really nice I really love the redesign it feels modern it looks and feels like a Mac app when you open it I do think that it has fixed some of the little bugs here and there using it in a web browser like Safari could be a little buggy previously where it wouldn't like activate sometimes I would have to open the full app in order to get the little toolbar extension to activate that seems to have been fixed it's much more reliable now and it is even better on my iOS devices the iOS apps I don't think were updated recently it seems to be working there as well anyway I think I like it you know going to be using it for a long term but I know you're a one password user also William did you upgrade to version 8 on one of my Macs yes I haven't got around to doing it on the other just the one I was using on the day it came out and I haven't used it very much but I do like the look of it I worry about the electron side though cuz I'm thinking distant memory of one of the reasons Java didn't really take off was um it was seen as this language that sat over whatever the platform was and if you wrote to that you wrote to every platform but it meant you were kind of beholden to that it out of your control you were right if electron decides to go wrong or crash or something then all the apps are gone that would otherwise have worked and I I was I didn't think it was a terrible decision uh to move to it but I was disappointed when one password did it particularly CU like the way they announced it was we started on the Mac we're sticking to the Mac we've got a new plan to work only from the Mac except we're not we're then doing it on the electron from the iOS version it felt like they were excusing moving to electron and that kind of worried me and uh slack is an electron uh app as you mentioned and slack goes wrong uh sometimes for no Obviously good reason so it feels like it's an abstraction layer that presumably they had to do but um I'm kind of cautious I will upgrade my other Mac um soon I get five minutes but no actually I know why because um because I'm a one password 7even user the first thing that happens is it says do you want to move your data over and of course you say yes and when I tried it it stuck stuck there stud there uh with a screen saying do not quit this app waiting for the data to migrate and after half an hour oh goodness I thought stuff this I quit the app started again and then suddenly everything all worked so you could actually say day one minute one first experience of an electron app didn't work so that's actually really quite scary now put that back in my head thanks for reminding me yeah of that any kind of like hangup like that when it comes to your entire password database is a little scary yeah and that's why you know again my experience was fine moving to one password 8 I did it on two different Macs Mac Studio MacBook Pro it was fine I do save all my passwords in iCloud keychain as well and I've been putting my two-factor codes in iCloud keychain I like that idea of having both I would recommend if you use one password you know you can export your en ire database as a file and maybe you can literally print that out like physically and put it in a safe that might be a good idea or at least save that file somewhere very secure you know not maybe like in Dropbox or something like maybe some some like on a hard drive and put that in a safe or something but it's been good you know one little thing I don't know if this is an a one password 8 update or whatever but whenever I'm in a web browser and the little login Fields there would be that one password symbol right there and before you would have to click it it would tell tell you to do a keyboard shortcut which would open the one password extension and then you do your fingerprint or password and then you could sign in and now whenever I click that in a website it just prompts for a Touch ID on the keyboard and it can authenticate right away I don't have to do the keyboard shortcut anymore so I don't know if that was a one password 8 update but it is a welcome change and so it's been working well for sure we still get that fight though don't we oh yeah you go to a password field and it's Safari and one password no no no me me kind for it so I got used to clicking around the side of one of the dialog boxes yeah it's very very tedious like a game of operation you got to just tap the right autofill thing but I just I have not felt comfortable turning one of them off you know cuz if you turn off the iCloud keychain autofill it's going to not save them you know when you log in and I don't want to do that so I'll deal with both of them active no problem not a problem I will say Malcolm had a kind of Roundup of all the different password apps with this one password update obviously you have iCloud keych but you also have last pass dash lane Nord pass you have a bunch of different password options out there so if you do want to try different apps you can do that I'll put a link to this article but I will say I mean really consider the Apple password consider Apple's iCloud keychain solution because it is very good it does the two- Factor authentication really well now and you can create a little series shortcut I have this I'll put a link in the show notes to the shortcut so you can just download it but you can have a shortcut that jumps you directly to the passwords screen in settings you don't have to like tap the settings app scroll down tap passwords login you can just do a one shortcut even a home screen icon and jump right to the password screen if you want to use it kind of like as your password app so I will I'm going to do it right now so I remember but I will put that shortcut in the show notes oh you up thank you yeah yeah yeah along the password topic it was actually last year at WWDC that Apple announced that it's working towards a future without passwords that while iCloud keychain will save Lo and passwords they're hoping that one day there'll be a pass key feature where your iCloud keychain will just let you into the different websites that you have saved in this Pass Key and you won't have to deal with email and passwords or username and passwords anymore that it'll be like kind of a Hardware security key that will just authenticate you as you use that specific device and there's other companies that are actually on board to doing this I believe it's like Google Microsoft as well yeah they're big players in this yes so Microsoft Apple Google you know they're all in on this Pass key thing and it's Pho is the company for like that is kind of trying to create the universal Pass key that will go across platforms curious I mean I think in the future I don't know how many years it'll be but you might not have to deal with usernames and passwords anymore it might just be whatever your device is your iPhone maybe your Apple watch will kind of be your Hardware Pass Key to everything and it will just let you in as you use that device that' be a cool future except I read the announcement from Apple and Google and photo and all this and you go through and it says CL you don't need passwords now we can do all sorts of things Touch ID biometric stuff and all this and it says it'll be very simple you'll just do this your device you can use a passcode which means should biometric fail for any reason you're down to a four or six-digit passcode to enter it and that seems substantially less secure than a password so yeah it's what's this a line from Star Trek isn't there uh the more you overthink the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain uh as soon as you can have password passcode access yeah forget the rest yeah that's interesting what is your I'm not going to ask what is your passcode but for the passcode on your iPhone you know you could do four digits you could do six digits you could do no passcode which I do not recommend or you can do an alpha numeric pass word where you can use letters numbers and symbols to unlock your iPhone which do you do William you're a four six or pass phrase kind of guy I'm a sixer um mostly because I that's I mean have four on the watch and I'm happy enough with that six okay but uh I know someone who was required to do the Fuller one and I swear they the the phone she's been given they block Touch ID as well so the number of times you has to slep through the most ridiculously contorted password uh for it I think I'll stick with six for the moment so I'm playing it both sides here six isn't secure enough and it's good enough for me so yeah yeah I go with the alpha numeric Pass Key on my iPhone and do the six digigit on the Apple watch oh and um yeah it's sometimes it's annoying like if face ID stops working or if you have to restart your phone for any reason but I don't know I like the idea of it being a little longer more secure that's how I do I actually I didn't know that you could do six digits on the watch I think actually I'm going to forget that I knew thank you very much anyway okay so update on the app removal Apple announced that apps that have been in the app store without any updates for a number of time it was kind of unspecified at first and now they've actually specified 3 years if developers have an app in the app store that is not updated in 3 years that they will be removed from the App Store unless there is some kind of update made and Apple has increased the deadline they said originally this is going to happen in 30 days but there was kind of a developer outcry like you're taking all of our stuff out of the App Store what's the deal Apple has extended that so developers have 90 days to do at least some kind of update to their app if it's been untouched for 3 years and I think Apple's again the Privacy nutrition labels which is something that was introduced believe it was iOS 14 if you haven't updated your app in over 3 years it does not have those the nutrition labels so Apple's probably trying to get more apps to adopt that but Apple also said that they're wanting apps to be updated to make sure they support the latest screen sizes and devices again you know 3 years ago didn't have you know the iPad Mini that we do now that new model there I'm not sure three years ago I guess the iPhone 12 mini that would have been yeah after 3 years ago so you know if your app was just 3 years ago last updated the iPhone Mini was not out so apple is trying to say we want to make sure that all apps support all the screen sizes do all the stuff probably want to get those nutrition labels in the App Store as well so developers have a little bit more time and it's extended to three years I had actually thought if I were a developer I'd just go in I don't know put a space at the end of the name save it again and we were done but you're right you can't do that now you have to add the nutrition labels and stuff and it's a quite a faf going through the forms for it so even just doing that is going to be quite a job especially you have a lot of apps I mean how long did it take Google to get around doing all of its yeah a lot of work yeah yeah for sure I thought this was fun there's a young filmmaker that really makes excellent videos films and he was doing it on a 2018 MacBook Pro with a 512 SSD and he was really struggling especially with some of that storage space he didn't really have a lot of external drive to be able to put his footage and so Apple actually partnered with the YouTube channel fro noos photo ran by Jared Poland and they actually gave this young man a bunch of new Apple equipment so he can continue making films they gave him a Mac Studio 14-inch MacBook Pro Studio display to go with that Mac Studio even gave him an iPhone a homepod mini magic keyboard and trackpad so really cool Apple given this to a young filmmaker and he was definitely excited you know he was on on the verge of tears cried when he received it and so really cool that Apple doeses that I I do think it's interesting of all those like Pro devices like the Mac Studio Studio display Macbook Pro that the only speaker Apple can give this young man is a homepod mini because that's really the only speaker that Apple sells right now I mean I guess he could have given him airpods Mac but they did throw in uh 24 terabyte stories that they don't make uh so yeah they could have bought Sonos with a new intelligent Siri like speaker they could have done more couldn't they but they did a huge amount it was very sweet to watch yes yeah it was very nice so Mike Peterson he had a fun article talking about the future of foldable devices that will we ever see a foldable iPhone or will it be more likely a foldable iPad or even MacBook I think this is interesting only because yesterday William just yesterday I was talking to somebody they went to take down my email they pulled their phone out of their pocket and they flipped it open and it was one of those Samsung flips I think I don't even know I don't know exactly what model it was because I don't know them that well but I actually saw a foldable phone in the wild William yes uh I saw the crease in the middle of the screen and that was off-putting but but it was there they exist out there same here I'm working with woman who has a folder ball of Samsung and I don't know well enough to ask more and I saw it when we were working together in the workshop but I was not close enough to see is the screen working or not but she seems very happy with it and it looked very good from afar but you're telling me it still creases up yeah I'm put off too I mean it's very subtle you know I was off angle because I was watching the guy put in my email address and so I could just see tiny little not like a line there wasn't anything visually but you could just see kind of the indentation because I mean the thing folds you know it's got to have some kind of material that will allow it to fold but Mike in this article is talking about you know is it a better chance that we might see foldable iPads or foldable MacBooks which again you could say MacBooks fold right now but the idea being that it' be kind of a full touchscreen device with a virtual keyboard and it would you know fold together I don't know William I I was talking the other day about 3D televisions and how that was a whole fad and then it just kind of disappeared and I know people are saying that like foldable phones are it like they're going to be the thing the next thing for smartphones and all that and I'm just not convinced yet William I'm not convinced that foldable phones is where we want to go I kind of miss the old flip phones if you in the olden days if you're having a g with somebody on a landline you could slam that phone down and with flip phones at least you could crunch it like you're doing something but with an phone is like never talk to me again it's the smallest little thing and I I want that physical action back but when you say that about 3D television yeah 3D television 3D films it's like every few years it comes into fashion and it fails and it goes away again maybe this will be the same but I can't wait to see this person I'm working with again and ask her more yeah you you should ask them I've seen actually probably two total I've seen two total foldable phones in the wild and you know it is compact in the pocket and when you bring it out it is a big screen so you know maybe okay hang on so a moment ago you'd seen one and then because I'd seen one no no you've seen two and things I see that as is building yeah yeah that's right no no I I just remembered just came just came to my mind just came to my mind so Tony Fidel who was worked at Apple was on the teams for the first iPod and iPhone then went on to do Nest the thermostats before they were bought by Google he had an interview with John Fort of CNBC to promote his new book called build where he talks a lot about the behind the scenes of the product development of those first iPods and iPhones and he said some things that we kind of knew before that when the iPod was coming out Steve Jobs did not want to make iTunes for Windows and it actually took uh Tony Fidel bringing in journalist Walt Mossberg who you know ran the uh the all things D conference with Caris Swisher then went on to do recode at The Verge and all that but Walt Mossberg is actually the one that help convince Steve Jobs to bring iTunes to Windows which you could argue was a big reason why those early iPods were a huge success because you could get it and sync it with whatever computer you had talked about firewire and how that was the only standard that could provide the fast syncing that Apple wanted to do at that point and it was interesting Tony Fidel actually tweeted an image of some of the concept devices they were working on around that time kind of the iPod but before the iPhone era and they actually had an iPod Nano that was all screen it was like basically a mini iPod touch or a mini iPhone you could say and that was actually one of the concept devices that they were working on which if you remember there was I think it was dubbed the iPod mini but it had a touchscreen and a click wheel if I'm remembering correctly like eventually they did come out with a device like that but this all screen like iPod Nano is pretty interesting got quite fancy that book na you've said it um I'll look into that one yeah I've been wanting to read that it's build by Tony Fidel and yeah there was oh no I'm sorry there it was an iPod Nano it had a home button and it did have a touch screen with kind of like that proprietary OS and so they eventually did come out with a nano with a screen but it wasn't that full screen Nano that this uh prototype looks like so yeah that book is build by Tony Fidel and then another book this is trip mckl wrote the book after Steve how Apple became a trillion dollar company and lost its Soul pretty pretty negative title on Apple right there there but this book talks a lot about Johnny IV his history at the company and why he left the company eventually and the book talks about how I've resigned after years of frustration seeing the company migrate from a design Centric entity to one that was more utilitarian apparently I've showed the movie yesterday to his team as he was leaving the company and believed that that movie yesterday was a 2-hour exploration of the Eternal conflict between art and commerce and you know it's this is one of those things we obviously Johnny I comes up a lot when you talk about Apple devices in the era kind of from 2015 where that was kind of the last MacBook Pro that had ports because the 2016 MacBook Pros and later just had USBC and nothing else until just recently the 2021 version of the MacBook Pro that has HDMI and you have mag safe brought back you have the SD card slot and we kind of think of that era as when Johnny I kind of went full eye will say and really wanted to just get rid of all the ports go as thin as possible to the I think sacrifice of some of the utilitarian like necessary use cases of those devices and so you know obviously Johnny IV is incredible designer it was from his mind we have the iconic products like the iPhone and the iPad you know he was head product and software designer for a while there yeah it's interesting to see now the products that apple is making like the Mac Studio the latest MacBook Pro with that utilitarian feeling kind of behind the scenes and as I had Jason Snell on the show recently and we talked about the Mac Studio and you know he described the Mac Studio as a homely device meaning it's not super attractive in its design but it's not really meant to be it's meant to be utilitarian but I do think that Apple has struck a balance between really beautiful design like you look at the 24-in iMac with M1 that's a beautiful computer I imagine the updated MacBook Air when it comes out is going to be incredible you look at the iPad mini and the iPhone 13 like these are great designs they are beautiful devices made with premium materials and all that and then for product lines that really would use more utilitarian ports and functionality I think apple is making the right choices there and things like the Mac Studio and I imagine the coming Mac Pro possibly at WWDC what do you think William does Apple still have its design touch along with its utilitarian nature the max GD is just a bit ugly that's what I think but I still w't you're not even saying homely you just said outright ugly no all the way I'm not saying it's as bad as I I used to work in a magazine where the art desk and the production desk they had a uh one spare Mac and I had to use it one day hot desk thing and as I sat down at it every single art and production person in the desk watch to see how long until he hates the the mouse it was the um the original iMac with the the hockey puck Mouse uh instantaneously wrong in every possible way and horrible to use and I don't think that of the Mac Studio I just think it's a bit I mean it's a block of aluminum with ports in it that's all it is but ultimately isn't any computer just that well that was meant to be profound and you just know yeah I was I mean the iMac is not it's aluminum but it's very colorful that's true I I mean I feel like apple just bring if it brought colors to things I think that would make a big difference especially on the pro devices like the Mac Pro the new one that everybody loves if they had done colors people would have gone nuts like still do the gray space gray options but if they had a blue yes and even like I don't know a green like it could still look professional like the machine itself looks professional it's got an SD card slot and an HDMI port and I think colors would really just add to it I think Apple just needs to to get off the pro devices are gray consumers are colored I think if they just make color devices everywhere I think people would be happy about it I of B color for my 14-in MacBook Pro if I could but I'm sorry my mind's going to the production line problem for that juggling you know seven different colors of things and the skus for it and just what if everybody wants blue and nobody wants green how you adjust that I mean the whole production thing is terribly fascinating anyway but that would just be adding deep complexity to it you're you're being harsh on poor old Apple who just try to get a job done well Tim Cook you know being the supply chain Co at heart the operating officer I imagine he's like you know optimized for getting these products out the door you know if you can't offer colors on the MacBook Pro so be it so I you know I get it I get it I think colors in the new Macbook Air would go a long way that's all I'll say yes absolutely I do agree yeah all right well you got anything else William it was it was a a little tiny bit of a shorter show it's not really not big news here I mean well funny if the one thing that's been on my mind it just pop into my head and you saying that when I said that about different colors and production things as we record this there seem to be been a sudden delay on shipping for the Mac Studio the MacBook Pro um and and maybe for the studio display I didn't look into it until I heard about the delay so I don't know what they used to be but right now if you order a studio display today it'll be delivered between 8 and 10 weeks and I think the worst situation is um if you configure an M1 Ultra it's 10 to 12 weeks so 3 months before you get that machine there's only the 16in MacBook Pro that you could actually buy uh today and get today and even then actually only the base configuration add anything change anything and it's about a month delay for it this is the kind of thing we see when these devices are first announced and it's like the initial demand is is flooding the orders and presumably a pent-up demand has been sated now so I'm not sure why this is going on unless it's Supply problems maybe chip shortages any I think I think it's supply chain overall uh I'm looking right now at the studio display I can pick up in store a regular studio display base model July 20 so what is that's over two months away so yeah 8 to 10 weeks and then the shipping is also 8 to 10 weeks so yeah it's it's a long way away yeah I think it's actually getting worse it's one of those things where you start looking into something and by the time you finished it's worse than when you started so order now if you want it in whatever 3 months from now is actually serious point though I I know WWDC is traditionally software and the way it always works is on the buildup people says it's going to be Hardware this year and then there isn't and everybody says well of course there weren't it was going to be software we always knew that but if there's ever going to be Hardware at a WWDC it'll be this one because it marks the end of the 2-year transition absolutely if that's true and if something is possibly couldn't come out you could order a brand new Mac now and it wouldn't be delivered until after WWDC and you could come to regret your decision should you now wait to see or will it be worse that you've got to buy eventually you can't not work on you pause your work until you get the right moment but it's a difficult decision a different time to make a decision there well honestly if something comes out at WWDC and pre-orders are that week if you order it right then as soon as it goes on sale you will probably get that before you something you order today yes like you would probably get whatever Mac Pro before you would get a Mac Studio that you ordered right now so something to keep in mind all right well listeners let us know shoot shoot us questions maybe for next week's show we'd love to answer kind of some frequently asked questions ask us anything you can tweet at William and myself or Twitter handles are in the show notes keep those five star reviews coming we appreciate those next week are you going to have W on the show uh in which case yes ask us any questions ask all the difficult questions absolutely all of them pile them in for next week okay and if you have questions about Williams Wikipedia page send those in and we'll do it in 2 weeks two weeks from right now we'll answer all your Wikipedia questions very fun and you can support the show directly in apple podcast or at patreon.com inssider where you get an adree version of the show Early Access Discord Channel all of that thank you to all of our 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