I made some design mistakes... let's fix it
**The Expanse Build: A Journey to Optimize Performance**
As we began our journey to optimize performance on the Expanse build, it became clear that there were several areas that needed improvement. We started by examining the stock fan grille and its potential impact on airflow. The honeycomb material inside the grille was causing restrictions, which led to reduced airflow and increased temperatures.
**Removing the Honeycomb Material**
To test our hypothesis, we decided to remove the honeycomb material from the interior of the grille. This allowed us to assess the effect of a more streamlined design on temperature and performance. We then placed the original grille back in position and observed the results. To our surprise, the temperatures remained relatively stable, with only minor spikes.
**A New Fan Grille**
Next, we decided to install a new fan grille designed to improve airflow. The goal was to create a more direct path for air to flow through the system, reducing restrictions and increasing efficiency. We were excited to see if this upgrade would make a significant difference in performance and temperature management.
**Testing the New Fan Grille**
After installing the new fan grille, we ran several tests to evaluate its effectiveness. We monitored temperatures closely, taking note of any changes or spikes. To our relief, we found that the new grille was able to maintain stable core temperatures, with only minor fluctuations. The system's performance remained impressive, and we were pleased to see that temperatures stayed well below the 89°C threshold.
**The Impact of Ambient Temperature**
As we continued testing, it became clear that ambient temperature had a significant impact on the system's behavior. As the room temperature increased, so did the core temperatures in an almost linear fashion. This made us realize that the system was not immune to external factors and that we needed to be mindful of this when evaluating its performance.
**Performance Evaluation**
We were pleased with the overall performance of the Expanse build, especially considering the challenges we faced during testing. The new fan grille seemed to have addressed many of our concerns, and we saw significant improvements in temperature management. We also realized that while the system was capable of handling high temperatures, it was not immune to external factors like ambient temperature.
**Noise Considerations**
In the future, we will need to consider noise levels when upgrading components. While a 120mm fan may be sufficient for most users, it can still be quite loud. We opted for a 100mm fan instead, which provided better performance while maintaining a more reasonable noise level.
**Conclusion**
The Expanse build has been an enlightening experience, and we're pleased with the results. By identifying areas of improvement and implementing targeted upgrades, we were able to optimize performance and temperature management. As we move forward, we'll be exploring new themes and techniques for building high-performance systems. Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to sharing more content in the future.
**The Expanse Build: A Visual Update**
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We wanted to provide a visual update on our progress with the Expanse build. As you can see, the new fan grille has been installed, and it looks sleek and efficient. We're excited to share this upgrade with you and explore how it will impact performance in future tests.
"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enin the last video I did of the expanse themed PC gaming 3D printed mod doohickey I talked about that we were going to do some airflow balancing and some temperature optimizations and stuff so today that's what we're gonna do because I've got to find the balance between overpowering a single fan with two fans but making sure everything gets cool cable mod is proud to announce their new 90 degree 12 volt high power replacement cable sets designed to eliminate tight bends on your GPU the C Series cables feature standard and reverse 90 degree connectors right on your cable and terminate to standard pcie plugs designed for your specific GPU available in most popular PSU Styles the c-series cables offer peace of mind with the highest warranty policy in the industry to see the supported list of psus and full warranty policy follow the sponsored Link in the description below also too they are loading a truck out there with a forklift so you might hear some banging and some beeping and stuff it's not us I swear but anyway moving on um if you have not seen the videos about building this system uh technically it's modding the system this is a pre-built Falcon Northwest Tiki PC which is a very small form factor build go and watch those videos there's four parts from beginning to end on that anyway I've currently got the GPU running right now it's been looping probably for about the last 15 or 20 minutes now with uh Speedway this is a ray tracing title we are loading up the GPU fully with Ray tracing so let me make sure we get full heat I also have the fans that are being controlled by IQ right now set to balanced now here's the thing when it comes to an IQ is kind of nice in the sense that it's very powerful in that we can use either the fan temperature sensors on the Hub uh to control our temperatures our speeds we can use GPU any sensor that iqcs you can use as a trigger for controlling the fans which is nice because if we set it to CPU load and a game that you're playing doesn't really trigger the CPU a whole lot to increase temps then these fans wouldn't ramp up to blow on the GPU which is the whole point now these fans are blowing directly on the graphics cards fans and then it's exhausting out the top and out the back and some of the holes on the other side um when it comes to the CPU we have a single 120 Radiator on an AIO on a 7800 X 3D this is a 4080 Pro art by the way if you guys don't know the pro the 4080 Pro Arts what comes in the tiki if you go with the 40 series high-end card because it's the only one that will fit the 490s are too big but anyway I'm these initially had 15 millimeter slim Silverstone fans on the insides of the case and obviously I went with full size full speed 120s on the outside of the case and one of the things I noticed is if I have these 120s running too fast obviously the 120 on the other side cannot overcome the amount of intake pressure these are creating so we kind of get some turbulent static air and we really do need the air to blow through the fan through the radiator and onto the motherboard and obviously through the rad to cool it off so anyway what I'm doing right now is I'm just seeing what the fans sent to balanced in IQ so you can see they're running at about 1500 RPM give or take based on some of the resistances now where you see here the QX RGB number 110 two temp and three temp those are the temp sensors that are on the fans themselves now those aren't going to be doing me a whole lot of good because of the fact that um they're always going to be reading ambient air coming into the case because right now they're all set as intakes now if I was setting them as exhaust and the air going through Those sensors was reading the warm air that's coming out of the case then I could just use the sensors on the fans to speed up and slow down those don't do me any good in this particular configuration now when if I'm one of the things I want to test is flipping the fan on the AIO to an exhaust fan increasing the speed on these fans and then getting some cloth cross flow across the system and not that AIO now the problem is they'll be picking up warmth from the GPU so we might be increasing flow but also increasing the airflow temperature or the temperature of the air going through it which could have a negative effect for what we're trying to do so we just have to see how much the GPU temperature is heating up the air are going to affect the amount of um thermal saturation that's going to be happening with the air as we cross through now anyway temperatures right now are actually great on the GPU we're sitting at 64c on the GPU temp and the hot spots at 74t or let's see so 10 degrees difference on the hot spot and the uh the normal temp we're doing pretty good at 63 and 73 and that's with these sitting here at balanced now I did run a test already which is this custom literally says custom one which is nothing more than a 100 fan speed and I've already done that on the GPU intakes and you'll notice that the RPMs are going to start climbing right here 23.50 or so if they're 2500 rpm fans the speed could be affected by the amount of resistance which would slow down the blades but anyway when I ran them at this temp for quite a while the GPU temperature only came down to 61. and the hottest I've seen it go is about 67 when they were on quiet but what I noticed is when they were on quiet is the amount of the temperature coming out of the case was obviously warmer so although the GPU temperature only went up a few degrees I feel like the air coming out of the case with the heat saturation was a lot warmer so I want to find a balance where I can keep the temperatures inside the chassis as a whole as low as possible because there's other components to consider not just the GPU but there's obviously the motherboard has stuff on it we have memory we've got our SSD we've got things we've got to keep cool in there so we can't just worry about two sensors which is CPU and GPU and call it a day but for acoustic reasons we don't want these running a hundred percent so I think I'm actually pretty comfortable right now with locking these at about well where was it was at 1400 RPM or so right so 60 percent fan speed and for me to really test what's happening and and the effect I'm gonna have to use locked RPM but then what I can do is when I figure out where my Max RPMs need to be I can then set my curves to use those as their Max so I'll set curves at the end based on where my fixed percentages end up Landing okay so as you can see now I've got my um my vein probe sitting on top of the exhaust you can see the blades moving so there's your proof that there is airflow coming through there and our temperature right now exiting the case we need to wait for it to finish climbing it's going to take a little bit of time for it to finish its reading but uh as you can see it's you know it's warm it up so we got to see where that stops moving before we can do anything else all right so our exhaust temp right now you ignore the CFM this is kind of an arbitrary number because there's no there's no formula calculation inputted into the meter so airflow we could just see it go up or down right but our temperature here is 35.7 C it'll probably balance out right around 36 it has really started to slow down now how long it takes to gain one tenth of a c um for those of you that want to know what that is in Fahrenheit that is 96.4 degrees Fahrenheit so not terrible really not that bad but if I go ahead now and let's just go fix RPM then let me put this now at I don't know 1500 RPM just a little bit of a change now I don't think we're gonna see any any temperature changes to be honest with that fam RPM the reason being the GPU temperature has not changed the GPU though to be honest this isn't the thing I'm most concerned with it's the CPU these temperatures are good I just have to find if I'm going to leave the 120 AIO as an intake fan I've got to find the balanced RPM with this guy to not overpower that as I've said so I think I'm going to leave this where it is we're at 36.0 and then dot 1.0 so it's starting to come down the other way which is fine so I'm going to leave those at a fixed 1600 RPM again they're not that loud I have to get like my ear like right up to it to really hear them and I have I know like another 700 RPM available to them if I need it so we've set our fan to fixed AIO intake and let's just double check our oh yeah that's fixed we don't want to care about the sensor that's good start running our multi-core and let's keep an eye on our temperatures right here now so package temp 89c is our TJ Max 86 87 88.6 89.1 so we have hit TJ Maxx but our frequencies haven't really suffered well that first one we've done a 41 for a second they're low 47s which actually has suffered a little bit because we're looking for high 47s well there they go into the uh 48 so check it out we're just locked to 89.8 so we are hitting our thermal limit now we haven't really lost a lot of clock speed but we have lost some and it is fluctuating a little bit some of the cores are dropping down to 4.6 went from a 17466 or whatever down to a 17 760. geez whatever that noise is outside it's terrible I apologize for that but as you can see we are stuck at there's 90. it's now exceeded to 89. and now we'll start to see there's 4.598 4.572 so we have now gone into the we are going to end up uh throttling territory at that fixed RPM now typically when I would set leave this set to balanced if we check this out you'll notice the fan is going to crank if we look at the RPMs here look 1600 1800 1900 2000 21 22 and even though I'm balanced it went it maxed out because our CPU is like hey we need the cooling so what I want to now see is if there's a way that I can keep the CPU from hitting that Max temperature um without having to go Max RPM and I think there's a couple ways I'm gonna have to do that so before we flip it around to an exhaust let me go ahead now and add this 3D printed spacer because this is not the most ideal grate right here like this is blocking off quite a bit of airflow I'm about to do this it's gonna be kind of interesting how I do this because these are holding the radiator I think I can slide that out of the way actually you know what there's our proof right now we need to run this test first we need to see if I just take the grate out of the equation entirely what happens to our temperatures let me let me clear the min max we haven't touched the red yet it's 86. same deal and the RPMs are at Max still but look at the RPM sale it came up to 2400 from the low 23s that shows resistance now I still think I need to on the inside here cut that honeycomb grill out because that's also unnecessary resistance right in front of the radiator fins so you can now bet about 50 percent of the radiator Grill is not getting direct airflow on it ideally I would probably want one of these on either side of the fan because the farther we can get the fan away from the radiator uh fins the better airflow will get through them because there's a cushion of air in front of it our Max temp we've hit so far in the package is 86.9 it's just the design of this great and this the thing is this is just one piece this is easy for me to reprint in a different style and then uh yeah we'll be fine if it wasn't for the fact that it was just so obvious a PC fan I would just technically just kind of leave it like this but I'm not happy with the way that that looks at the very least what I can take away from this is that by having the great out of the way or redesigned for better airflow will give me an improvement but I now want to test the spacer take your working gaming experience to the next level with the ViewSonic xg340c 2K Ultra wide high-end display the xg340c2k 34 inch 100 Hertz Ultra wide monitor features HDMI 2.1 AMD freesync premium Pro 1000r curved screen Visa display HDR 400 and one millisecond response time for the ultimate immersive gaming experience and take control of multiple devices with KVM support while also taking full control of your display via the elite display controller to see the full list of specs and features follow the sponsored Link in the description below okay so a slight change of plans here we're going to switch to exhaust on this fan because with all these 3D printed panels and stuff my 37 millimeter screws are not long enough to allow me to put that spacer on you can see where I even like tried to take some material out so the screw head could sit farther down in there uh that was not that was a no-go so I'm about to Source some longer screws if I want to try that method but I think at least we can test exhaust right now and see if this is going to help because what this allows me to do now is I'll have the other intake fans contribute to the cooling making its way down to this fan and there should still be plenty of cross flow amongst the stuff down in there now one of the things I also wanted to try is it I believe just based on what I have been looking at when I put it back together I might be able to go push pull on this and if I can go push pull on this then that might just give me because if you look if you can see down in there it looks to me like there's enough of a gap to be able to get 25 mil this another one of these fans in there it's going to be tight but this entire build is obviously hi bro okay we have now flipped this around to an exhaust I'm now asking these fans to split air between up here and then coming down here but I don't know if this is experimental I don't know this wouldn't call it scientific but we're doing something we're measuring some sort of results remember the only difference between science and around is writing it down I think Adam Savage said that we have hit 88.9 and we're at 87.9 88.488.3 so exhaust is probably not going to be a whole lot different although the air coming out of it isn't super super warm our score is currently at a 17410 so we'd actually lost some score uh but our frequencies are well yeah they're down into the mids 47 70 4801 47. I mean we got the higher scores when it was up into the mid 48s 4800s which obviously translated to oh there we go there's our red number okay so we're at we're like stuck oh never mind we were like stuck at 88.8 for like a long time now we hit 89 again and we see our our clocks dropped all the way down to the high 50 45 90s and our score has definitely drop down uh 17 687 so it's worse it is absolutely worse than when we had it um in taking without the grate look at how much is closed off on the bottom see that so it looks good on that side but now if you just hold that against the yellow look at how restricted that is where you see yellow is where air can flow so we're like at least 50 percent blocked maybe even more so yeah he's gonna make these louvers now straight so the air isn't having to turn and then he's not gonna he's gonna make the triangle less wide so they're they're more thin I'm gonna see if I can fit a push-pull in there I'm not I feel like if if Falcon Northwest could have fit a 120 25 mil on the inside like a standard size fan they would have maybe they went with the 15 mil just for I don't know a margin reasons look I've tried to squeeze bigger things in tighter areas okay you take that however you want but I absolutely have yeah that's not gonna work it hits the tubes before it's even close before it's even anywhere near closing Phil had said why don't you put the 15 mil on there the problem is if you don't put Match fans and you have one fan moving significantly less air than another then all that fan does is create resistance it doesn't help in any way um so all right so I think what we figured out is we need to leave it as an intake and we need to have a better flowing fan Grill so I guess what we'll have to do is when that fan Grill is done we'll put it all back to the way we started when that fan Grill is done then we can plop it on and see what our attempts do actually I lied there's one test I want to do real quick which is to cut the fan the great material out inside there so I cut that honeycomb off and I put the grill back on as you can see and our temps have not hit and it's been running for a bit our attempts have not hit 89 yet we're 87.4 was the max spike is at 86.1 right now and our core clocks are staying much much closer to 4 800 now clearly there's some increased airflow now because it's not going through some restriction right into another restriction right through the rad which is which is restriction we're getting now closer to direct airflow on the blades or the the fins remember how I said if we were to draw a pattern of that mesh material right on the radiator and we were to hit it with spray paint if I pulled that off you would see a pattern and what does that also mean that means everywhere there's not paint is where there's also not air going through so we're now getting better at creating a situation where air would be able to go through so once we get the new Grille on here I have a feeling we'll be pretty close to as if this were just open and outside of the chassis so and again 86.5 86.8 so we are now under the 89 Celsius which is our TJ Maxx now there's a there's too many things that I think could um bump us up to that ambient temperature it's also gotten warmer in this room since we started making this video so that's one thing to keep in mind as the ambient temp goes up so will the core temperatures in an exact linear motion with the ambient temperature so if the ambient temp goes up 2C so will the device because I'm not going to get into the physics it's exactly how it works so I actually think this is pretty good because the thing is while we're doing gaming and stuff and such we are never going to see temperatures get anywhere near that which means I can leave the and I do want the 120 going 100 AIO if or 100 fan speed if it ever hits a load like this I think that's a fair trade-off that noise for a one or 240 on here would be ideal and I already explained in the video why I didn't do a 240 on here um I'm I'm pleased with the performance we're getting we are getting pretty much 99 of our advertised performance remember you could take 10 7 800 x 3DS in identical builds and get 10 different scores out of them every single time that's just because there's variants and things that are happening in the system so I'm okay with this because like the second I turn off the test our course drop back down to the 30s and if I run a synthetic Benchmark or even any other games it just goes up into about the 70s and I've seen as high as 79 degrees while I was playing some games on this now that was when we did our initial test but uh it's never going to be anywhere no game is ever going to hit the CPU like cinebenched us so as long as I always say this if I can get my temperatures under control incentive bench I'm fine with the temperatures for anything else the system may do so I uh I think what we'll do is we'll just throw a picture up to show what the new grill looks like because I know right now people are probably going to be like Jay you need to do another test with the new Grille we've really opened it up it's really going to have very little effect and it's going to be better than what we have on there right now but we gotta wrap this video up and keep going so there you go I'm I'm pleased with the temperatures on this guy the amount the fact that I can feel cool cool air coming through here right now because of the fans blowing on the GPU that GPU fans are no longer going to zero RPM I don't care for zero RPM mode I want them to be cool at all times I can now feel cool air coming out these vents so that means they're doing their job all right guys thanks for watching that's it for the expanse build I think I'm done showing this one off I need to start thinking about what my next theme is going to be all right guys we'll see in the next onein the last video I did of the expanse themed PC gaming 3D printed mod doohickey I talked about that we were going to do some airflow balancing and some temperature optimizations and stuff so today that's what we're gonna do because I've got to find the balance between overpowering a single fan with two fans but making sure everything gets cool cable mod is proud to announce their new 90 degree 12 volt high power replacement cable sets designed to eliminate tight bends on your GPU the C Series cables feature standard and reverse 90 degree connectors right on your cable and terminate to standard pcie plugs designed for your specific GPU available in most popular PSU Styles the c-series cables offer peace of mind with the highest warranty policy in the industry to see the supported list of psus and full warranty policy follow the sponsored Link in the description below also too they are loading a truck out there with a forklift so you might hear some banging and some beeping and stuff it's not us I swear but anyway moving on um if you have not seen the videos about building this system uh technically it's modding the system this is a pre-built Falcon Northwest Tiki PC which is a very small form factor build go and watch those videos there's four parts from beginning to end on that anyway I've currently got the GPU running right now it's been looping probably for about the last 15 or 20 minutes now with uh Speedway this is a ray tracing title we are loading up the GPU fully with Ray tracing so let me make sure we get full heat I also have the fans that are being controlled by IQ right now set to balanced now here's the thing when it comes to an IQ is kind of nice in the sense that it's very powerful in that we can use either the fan temperature sensors on the Hub uh to control our temperatures our speeds we can use GPU any sensor that iqcs you can use as a trigger for controlling the fans which is nice because if we set it to CPU load and a game that you're playing doesn't really trigger the CPU a whole lot to increase temps then these fans wouldn't ramp up to blow on the GPU which is the whole point now these fans are blowing directly on the graphics cards fans and then it's exhausting out the top and out the back and some of the holes on the other side um when it comes to the CPU we have a single 120 Radiator on an AIO on a 7800 X 3D this is a 4080 Pro art by the way if you guys don't know the pro the 4080 Pro Arts what comes in the tiki if you go with the 40 series high-end card because it's the only one that will fit the 490s are too big but anyway I'm these initially had 15 millimeter slim Silverstone fans on the insides of the case and obviously I went with full size full speed 120s on the outside of the case and one of the things I noticed is if I have these 120s running too fast obviously the 120 on the other side cannot overcome the amount of intake pressure these are creating so we kind of get some turbulent static air and we really do need the air to blow through the fan through the radiator and onto the motherboard and obviously through the rad to cool it off so anyway what I'm doing right now is I'm just seeing what the fans sent to balanced in IQ so you can see they're running at about 1500 RPM give or take based on some of the resistances now where you see here the QX RGB number 110 two temp and three temp those are the temp sensors that are on the fans themselves now those aren't going to be doing me a whole lot of good because of the fact that um they're always going to be reading ambient air coming into the case because right now they're all set as intakes now if I was setting them as exhaust and the air going through Those sensors was reading the warm air that's coming out of the case then I could just use the sensors on the fans to speed up and slow down those don't do me any good in this particular configuration now when if I'm one of the things I want to test is flipping the fan on the AIO to an exhaust fan increasing the speed on these fans and then getting some cloth cross flow across the system and not that AIO now the problem is they'll be picking up warmth from the GPU so we might be increasing flow but also increasing the airflow temperature or the temperature of the air going through it which could have a negative effect for what we're trying to do so we just have to see how much the GPU temperature is heating up the air are going to affect the amount of um thermal saturation that's going to be happening with the air as we cross through now anyway temperatures right now are actually great on the GPU we're sitting at 64c on the GPU temp and the hot spots at 74t or let's see so 10 degrees difference on the hot spot and the uh the normal temp we're doing pretty good at 63 and 73 and that's with these sitting here at balanced now I did run a test already which is this custom literally says custom one which is nothing more than a 100 fan speed and I've already done that on the GPU intakes and you'll notice that the RPMs are going to start climbing right here 23.50 or so if they're 2500 rpm fans the speed could be affected by the amount of resistance which would slow down the blades but anyway when I ran them at this temp for quite a while the GPU temperature only came down to 61. and the hottest I've seen it go is about 67 when they were on quiet but what I noticed is when they were on quiet is the amount of the temperature coming out of the case was obviously warmer so although the GPU temperature only went up a few degrees I feel like the air coming out of the case with the heat saturation was a lot warmer so I want to find a balance where I can keep the temperatures inside the chassis as a whole as low as possible because there's other components to consider not just the GPU but there's obviously the motherboard has stuff on it we have memory we've got our SSD we've got things we've got to keep cool in there so we can't just worry about two sensors which is CPU and GPU and call it a day but for acoustic reasons we don't want these running a hundred percent so I think I'm actually pretty comfortable right now with locking these at about well where was it was at 1400 RPM or so right so 60 percent fan speed and for me to really test what's happening and and the effect I'm gonna have to use locked RPM but then what I can do is when I figure out where my Max RPMs need to be I can then set my curves to use those as their Max so I'll set curves at the end based on where my fixed percentages end up Landing okay so as you can see now I've got my um my vein probe sitting on top of the exhaust you can see the blades moving so there's your proof that there is airflow coming through there and our temperature right now exiting the case we need to wait for it to finish climbing it's going to take a little bit of time for it to finish its reading but uh as you can see it's you know it's warm it up so we got to see where that stops moving before we can do anything else all right so our exhaust temp right now you ignore the CFM this is kind of an arbitrary number because there's no there's no formula calculation inputted into the meter so airflow we could just see it go up or down right but our temperature here is 35.7 C it'll probably balance out right around 36 it has really started to slow down now how long it takes to gain one tenth of a c um for those of you that want to know what that is in Fahrenheit that is 96.4 degrees Fahrenheit so not terrible really not that bad but if I go ahead now and let's just go fix RPM then let me put this now at I don't know 1500 RPM just a little bit of a change now I don't think we're gonna see any any temperature changes to be honest with that fam RPM the reason being the GPU temperature has not changed the GPU though to be honest this isn't the thing I'm most concerned with it's the CPU these temperatures are good I just have to find if I'm going to leave the 120 AIO as an intake fan I've got to find the balanced RPM with this guy to not overpower that as I've said so I think I'm going to leave this where it is we're at 36.0 and then dot 1.0 so it's starting to come down the other way which is fine so I'm going to leave those at a fixed 1600 RPM again they're not that loud I have to get like my ear like right up to it to really hear them and I have I know like another 700 RPM available to them if I need it so we've set our fan to fixed AIO intake and let's just double check our oh yeah that's fixed we don't want to care about the sensor that's good start running our multi-core and let's keep an eye on our temperatures right here now so package temp 89c is our TJ Max 86 87 88.6 89.1 so we have hit TJ Maxx but our frequencies haven't really suffered well that first one we've done a 41 for a second they're low 47s which actually has suffered a little bit because we're looking for high 47s well there they go into the uh 48 so check it out we're just locked to 89.8 so we are hitting our thermal limit now we haven't really lost a lot of clock speed but we have lost some and it is fluctuating a little bit some of the cores are dropping down to 4.6 went from a 17466 or whatever down to a 17 760. geez whatever that noise is outside it's terrible I apologize for that but as you can see we are stuck at there's 90. it's now exceeded to 89. and now we'll start to see there's 4.598 4.572 so we have now gone into the we are going to end up uh throttling territory at that fixed RPM now typically when I would set leave this set to balanced if we check this out you'll notice the fan is going to crank if we look at the RPMs here look 1600 1800 1900 2000 21 22 and even though I'm balanced it went it maxed out because our CPU is like hey we need the cooling so what I want to now see is if there's a way that I can keep the CPU from hitting that Max temperature um without having to go Max RPM and I think there's a couple ways I'm gonna have to do that so before we flip it around to an exhaust let me go ahead now and add this 3D printed spacer because this is not the most ideal grate right here like this is blocking off quite a bit of airflow I'm about to do this it's gonna be kind of interesting how I do this because these are holding the radiator I think I can slide that out of the way actually you know what there's our proof right now we need to run this test first we need to see if I just take the grate out of the equation entirely what happens to our temperatures let me let me clear the min max we haven't touched the red yet it's 86. same deal and the RPMs are at Max still but look at the RPM sale it came up to 2400 from the low 23s that shows resistance now I still think I need to on the inside here cut that honeycomb grill out because that's also unnecessary resistance right in front of the radiator fins so you can now bet about 50 percent of the radiator Grill is not getting direct airflow on it ideally I would probably want one of these on either side of the fan because the farther we can get the fan away from the radiator uh fins the better airflow will get through them because there's a cushion of air in front of it our Max temp we've hit so far in the package is 86.9 it's just the design of this great and this the thing is this is just one piece this is easy for me to reprint in a different style and then uh yeah we'll be fine if it wasn't for the fact that it was just so obvious a PC fan I would just technically just kind of leave it like this but I'm not happy with the way that that looks at the very least what I can take away from this is that by having the great out of the way or redesigned for better airflow will give me an improvement but I now want to test the spacer take your working gaming experience to the next level with the ViewSonic xg340c 2K Ultra wide high-end display the xg340c2k 34 inch 100 Hertz Ultra wide monitor features HDMI 2.1 AMD freesync premium Pro 1000r curved screen Visa display HDR 400 and one millisecond response time for the ultimate immersive gaming experience and take control of multiple devices with KVM support while also taking full control of your display via the elite display controller to see the full list of specs and features follow the sponsored Link in the description below okay so a slight change of plans here we're going to switch to exhaust on this fan because with all these 3D printed panels and stuff my 37 millimeter screws are not long enough to allow me to put that spacer on you can see where I even like tried to take some material out so the screw head could sit farther down in there uh that was not that was a no-go so I'm about to Source some longer screws if I want to try that method but I think at least we can test exhaust right now and see if this is going to help because what this allows me to do now is I'll have the other intake fans contribute to the cooling making its way down to this fan and there should still be plenty of cross flow amongst the stuff down in there now one of the things I also wanted to try is it I believe just based on what I have been looking at when I put it back together I might be able to go push pull on this and if I can go push pull on this then that might just give me because if you look if you can see down in there it looks to me like there's enough of a gap to be able to get 25 mil this another one of these fans in there it's going to be tight but this entire build is obviously hi bro okay we have now flipped this around to an exhaust I'm now asking these fans to split air between up here and then coming down here but I don't know if this is experimental I don't know this wouldn't call it scientific but we're doing something we're measuring some sort of results remember the only difference between science and around is writing it down I think Adam Savage said that we have hit 88.9 and we're at 87.9 88.488.3 so exhaust is probably not going to be a whole lot different although the air coming out of it isn't super super warm our score is currently at a 17410 so we'd actually lost some score uh but our frequencies are well yeah they're down into the mids 47 70 4801 47. I mean we got the higher scores when it was up into the mid 48s 4800s which obviously translated to oh there we go there's our red number okay so we're at we're like stuck oh never mind we were like stuck at 88.8 for like a long time now we hit 89 again and we see our our clocks dropped all the way down to the high 50 45 90s and our score has definitely drop down uh 17 687 so it's worse it is absolutely worse than when we had it um in taking without the grate look at how much is closed off on the bottom see that so it looks good on that side but now if you just hold that against the yellow look at how restricted that is where you see yellow is where air can flow so we're like at least 50 percent blocked maybe even more so yeah he's gonna make these louvers now straight so the air isn't having to turn and then he's not gonna he's gonna make the triangle less wide so they're they're more thin I'm gonna see if I can fit a push-pull in there I'm not I feel like if if Falcon Northwest could have fit a 120 25 mil on the inside like a standard size fan they would have maybe they went with the 15 mil just for I don't know a margin reasons look I've tried to squeeze bigger things in tighter areas okay you take that however you want but I absolutely have yeah that's not gonna work it hits the tubes before it's even close before it's even anywhere near closing Phil had said why don't you put the 15 mil on there the problem is if you don't put Match fans and you have one fan moving significantly less air than another then all that fan does is create resistance it doesn't help in any way um so all right so I think what we figured out is we need to leave it as an intake and we need to have a better flowing fan Grill so I guess what we'll have to do is when that fan Grill is done we'll put it all back to the way we started when that fan Grill is done then we can plop it on and see what our attempts do actually I lied there's one test I want to do real quick which is to cut the fan the great material out inside there so I cut that honeycomb off and I put the grill back on as you can see and our temps have not hit and it's been running for a bit our attempts have not hit 89 yet we're 87.4 was the max spike is at 86.1 right now and our core clocks are staying much much closer to 4 800 now clearly there's some increased airflow now because it's not going through some restriction right into another restriction right through the rad which is which is restriction we're getting now closer to direct airflow on the blades or the the fins remember how I said if we were to draw a pattern of that mesh material right on the radiator and we were to hit it with spray paint if I pulled that off you would see a pattern and what does that also mean that means everywhere there's not paint is where there's also not air going through so we're now getting better at creating a situation where air would be able to go through so once we get the new Grille on here I have a feeling we'll be pretty close to as if this were just open and outside of the chassis so and again 86.5 86.8 so we are now under the 89 Celsius which is our TJ Maxx now there's a there's too many things that I think could um bump us up to that ambient temperature it's also gotten warmer in this room since we started making this video so that's one thing to keep in mind as the ambient temp goes up so will the core temperatures in an exact linear motion with the ambient temperature so if the ambient temp goes up 2C so will the device because I'm not going to get into the physics it's exactly how it works so I actually think this is pretty good because the thing is while we're doing gaming and stuff and such we are never going to see temperatures get anywhere near that which means I can leave the and I do want the 120 going 100 AIO if or 100 fan speed if it ever hits a load like this I think that's a fair trade-off that noise for a one or 240 on here would be ideal and I already explained in the video why I didn't do a 240 on here um I'm I'm pleased with the performance we're getting we are getting pretty much 99 of our advertised performance remember you could take 10 7 800 x 3DS in identical builds and get 10 different scores out of them every single time that's just because there's variants and things that are happening in the system so I'm okay with this because like the second I turn off the test our course drop back down to the 30s and if I run a synthetic Benchmark or even any other games it just goes up into about the 70s and I've seen as high as 79 degrees while I was playing some games on this now that was when we did our initial test but uh it's never going to be anywhere no game is ever going to hit the CPU like cinebenched us so as long as I always say this if I can get my temperatures under control incentive bench I'm fine with the temperatures for anything else the system may do so I uh I think what we'll do is we'll just throw a picture up to show what the new grill looks like because I know right now people are probably going to be like Jay you need to do another test with the new Grille we've really opened it up it's really going to have very little effect and it's going to be better than what we have on there right now but we gotta wrap this video up and keep going so there you go I'm I'm pleased with the temperatures on this guy the amount the fact that I can feel cool cool air coming through here right now because of the fans blowing on the GPU that GPU fans are no longer going to zero RPM I don't care for zero RPM mode I want them to be cool at all times I can now feel cool air coming out these vents so that means they're doing their job all right guys thanks for watching that's it for the expanse build I think I'm done showing this one off I need to start thinking about what my next theme is going to be all right guys we'll see in the next one\n"