The AMD Ryzen 7000 series of CPUs has been put through its paces by one reviewer, who has shared their hands-on experience with the latest generation of AMD processors. The review focuses on the differences between the various Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, particularly the 7600X and 7700X, which are compared to the 7950X and 7900X.

The reviewer notes that one of the key aspects of the 7950X and 7900X is their ability to be overclocked and tuned for efficiency. They mention that AMD has made significant strides in this area, with the 7950X being able to handle some custom tuning and optimization using curve optimizer. However, they also note that the 7600X was more difficult to use with curve optimizer, suggesting that AMD's chip design may be a limiting factor.

The reviewer compares the 105W TDP of the Ryzen 7000 series CPUs to other processors in the same class, noting that it is a relatively low power consumption for a high-performance processor. They argue that this lower power consumption can have benefits in multi-core workloads and gaming applications. However, they also note that AMD's single-core boost frequency is being pushed very high, which may negate any potential benefits of efficiency.

One interesting finding from the review is that the Ryzen 7000 series CPUs have a unique thermal profile. When running at high temperatures, the CPU throttle is relatively gentle compared to Intel processors, and the reviewer notes that they were never aware of throttling even when temperatures reached 93-94 degrees C. This suggests that AMD's designs are optimized for operating within a specific temperature range, rather than always prioritizing maximum performance.

The reviewer also compares the Ryzen 7000 series CPUs to Intel processors in terms of gaming performance. They note that the Ryzen 7000 series has some advantages in certain games, particularly PubG, which benefits from the CPU's ability to handle high frame rates and low latency. However, they also mention that Intel's CPUs can often provide more consistent performance across a range of titles.

Overall, the review suggests that AMD's Ryzen 7000 series CPUs have made significant strides in terms of efficiency and overclocking capabilities. While there are still some challenges to overcome, particularly with regards to cooling and thermal management, the reviewer is cautiously optimistic about the potential of these processors in certain applications.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enoh my gosh it's 95 degrees C ah everybody freak out okay yes der Bauer saved 20 degrees C by belitting that's a thing but it's not that simple I mean okay yeah it is that simple if you delete it you you get 20 degrees C but the performance difference with that isn't really super insanely significant until you enter overclocking and the performance difference between the middle of the road cooler at a high-end cooler really isn't that much except maybe possibly on the 7950x but I think a more interesting question is when you're playing a game how much heat is actually dumped into your room everybody remember the FX 8350 days I certainly do I've got a system behind me it's 4K 120 hertz what does power usage look like over time that is what we're going to take a look at today has AMD lost the efficiency crown foreign okay let's take a closer look at our setup this is our system this is in a be quiet case with the pure Loop 360. you know it's not a super expensive cooler we're also using an ASRock 6950 XT for the GPU although I also tested with the MSI 3090 Supreme I did both but for this video we're going to focus on AMD 6950 testing we're also using the ASRock steel Legend I've got steel Legends which are kind of like for like oh I lost a screw this is the Alder Lake version that is the am5 version they're pretty similar we're also using a uh g-skill Trident Z kit this is the same between both systems that is the combination XP and uh Expo or XMP kit it's ddr5 6000 attuned the kit on the Intel platform to be the best possible performance but otherwise it's you know just the out of the box profile configuration on XPO 16 cores with the 12 900k on our z690 platform versus the 7950x that's it other than the XMP and Expo profiles the CPU and GPU are running at their out of the box stock defaults across the board I get what I did there across the motherboard all right across both motherboards we want to monitor power consumption so we will monitor the computer and only the computer not our monitor or anything else that's hooked up and see exactly what's going on we're doing this with the kilowatt hour mode or it's it's a logging thing on our what's up meter here it's a USB logger so we can see how it uses power over time and everything else we're going to be playing two hours of pubg on each system at 4K 120 Ultra graphic settings full screen not windowed and we're going to monitor how much electricity is used our monitor that's an Asus it's the ux or it's the pg43 uq I think and yeah vsync is on because I can't get any more frames out of the display so the reality is here that all this electricity that the system uses ends up as heat right yes some energy is lost as sound and light and the mechanical movement of the fans and that sort of thing but stop stop being a neckbeard stop stop so it's pretty easy if your PC is using 500 watts of electricity it's effectively the same as a 500 watt space heater not 495 Watts at the end of the day in terms of what it's doing to your room and heating it up and spoiler alert most of our energy is going to our GPU not our CPU at least that's our expectation so let's take a look at the numbers so we've got our system set up this is our ASRock steel Legend and our what's up Pro the first system we gotta test is the 7950x it's pretty straightforward our Watson Pro is actually even a little bit better than the other meter that we use sometimes the kilowatt because it will actually record the data over time so when I start the stopwatch I can compare it with the internal chronometer on the WhatsApp Pro that's cool I can I actually got a chance to say internal chronometer in a YouTube video that's nice but it's not it's accurate it does have an internal chronometer and that keeps track of how much power was used when over time so I can sort of compare that with the over the shoulder footage of when I'm actually playing you know Battlegrounds to see how busy it is now fan speed inside the machine is locked to 100 for both the internal CPU fan headers or just you know General system fan headers on the motherboard as well as our GPU so fan speed variation on the two platforms shouldn't make a difference the only thing we're really swapping here is motherboard and processor same memory same storage same power supply same case same everything theoretically except for the processor motherboard first up our am5 system this is from a couple of runs got a lot of footage many many hours footage an exhausting amount of footage but when we look at the performance here we're floating at about 565 567 watts of power while this thing is running and we're we're pretty much locked at 120 FPS okay it dips a little bit but our general performance here is really good oh and don't worry I am capturing the one percent lows and the the 0.1 percent lows we'll talk about that in a minute the performance of the system overall was very satisfactory I didn't really experience any weirdness or glitches or anything else like that while I was playing you should know that I do have the fans set to in the software I have the maximum fan speed set to 100 and manual control does it really run at 100 it's still sort of up to the GPU but the GPU fan settings were the same between both systems all the system fan settings were also a hundred percent across the board so system you know is running all of its fans consistently between the two platforms so with all that in mind the first number that we have from our am5 system basically on the order of 565 watts and this is not an exact science at least not yet although the the data logging is down to the second in our Data Logger so keep that in mind we'll come back to it now for our Intel system it's pretty much the same the motherboard is going to be a little different you can't get it super exactly the same you got to also look at idle power we'll talk about that in a minute but overall the Intel system was using 10 to 20 watts more for the same level of performance what's worse the Intel system struggled keeping that 4K 120 and we were dipping down to 90 FPS a lot more often but like for like ultra settings full screen 120 hertz basically within 10 to 20 watts I think is a wash I was actually expecting a little bit bigger difference because the multi-core performance of our am5 CPU is considerably higher than our Intel performance but in gaming it seemed not to really matter that much at 4K 120 hertz the GPU is doing all the work the GPU is what's holding its back so both CPUs are being pretty efficient with their time they're not wasting any power so both are Intel and our am5 system are using less than 200 Watts most of the time we're GPU Limited in other words so I started to think maybe this wasn't the right thing to do maybe I should swap in our 240 hertz pixio Monitor and repeat the same test that's going to make us a little bit more CPU bound but you know what the ultimate CPU bound thing is rendering okay maybe a gaming test wasn't what we needed at all or at least you know getting a baseline for a rendering comparison so blender here now we know that blender has a benchmark but blender's Benchmark completes pretty quickly we actually need to be able to run blender for a long time so I did that but to make the video a little bit simpler we can talk about blender performance in the context of The Benchmark because you can download The Benchmark and run it for yourself the am5 blender Benchmark is considerably higher than the Intel 12900k as you know 13th gen is on the way they're going to be 16 e cores to make up the difference at roughly the same power envelope so when we're talking about rendering work done the am5 system is getting more rendering work done at the same wattage now for rendering both of our CPUs we're consuming around 350 Watts 350 Watts that seems crazy we know that the processor should be like 220 to 240 Watts I mean that's the maximum for out of the box performance you must have done something no remember these are similar kinds of systems and the fans are running it 100 all the time and the CPUs or maybe doing a little bit of extra work because I've got the the monitor locked in at 120 hertz it's kind of a weird thing on some in some situations the idle power will be higher than you expect because the refresh rate is really high on your monitor I don't know if that's what was happening here but both systems were idling at around 100 Watts 107 Watts 110 Watts something like that I could change that if I change the power mode from balance to power saver it would go from 110 watts to 90 Watts but the power usage at the wall of both systems was basically comparable and remember all we're really doing swapping the motherboard now again rendering performance for a long rendering job the Intel CPU is going to take a significant amount of time more in order to complete the render we know that because this blender Benchmark score is also lower than the 7950x so if you were doing a render job and letting it run overnight yeah the system May finish an hour sooner but for the time that the render is running both systems are dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room one of them will finish sooner but both systems are dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room when we're strictly talking about gaming both systems are basically dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room with a slight Edge to AMD AMD certainly more efficient the rendering benchmarks show that and the rendering benchmarks show that is significantly more efficient but AMD has also pushed the voltage frequency curve as far as they possibly can to try to compete with a single thread performance that they know is coming with 13th gen Intel and that's beyond the the you know best efficiency curve that you would get from am5 Silicon now both of these processors are tunable the 12 900k I think out of the box the efficiency is pretty terrible am5 the efficiency out of the box could definitely be better at least with the 7950x and the 7900x curve Optimizer -10 on those CPUs you you can reduce the amount of power that the CPU uses in rendering scenarios by upwards of 50 Watts with single digit percentage degradation in terms of the overall multi-core performance meaning that the 7950 you can feed it 40 less watts and it's still going to utterly destroy the 12900k in rendering tasks it's going to reduce the power and blah blah blah so if you want to do that you can but by the same token the 12900k can also be tuned to be more efficient on the voltage frequency curve and it's still going to take longer to do the render so the total amount of heat that goes into your room for the full length of the render is still going to be worse on the Intel platform but for gaming it's not time limited it's up to you it's sort of rendering a few less frames over time but you're still only going to game two hours or three hours or ever how much gaming that you want to do and so in terms of gaming the amount of heat that's dumped into your room is roughly comparable so why am I all hung up on the amount of heat dumped into your room that kind of goes back to our hot spot conversation so when we're talking about hot spots on the CPU look at the shot of the CPU from AMD we've got two tiny tiny little chiplets and we got our i o die when we talk about 95 degrees C that hot spot is in a very small area uh connected to a very large and very thick integrated heat spreader and yes it could be 20 degrees C cooler but for the voltage frequency curve that that CPU is out of the box it's not dumping more heat into your room we just sort of proved that you can make it dump less heat into your room with a negligible impact on performance by tuning that's also true of Team Intel but at the end of the day for gaming performance it's a bit of a wash it's not dramatically more efficient one way or the other I think eco mode actually even dials it too far in the other direction for 65 Watts I think 105 watts is sort of The Sweet Spot at least for the 7950x and the 7900 in our review video of the 7600x and the 7700x the 7600x was it was very difficult to use curve Optimizer with the 7600x you can tell that AMD has really really Bend those chiplets and the 7600x basically is what it is which is why I wasn't super enthusiastic about it the 7600x the 8 core is much better in that regard in that you can use carb Optimizer and you can do some some custom tuning but in terms of overclocking and tuning and efficiency and that kind of thing the fertile ground for that is the 7950x and the 7900x in terms of gaming and the hot spots and everything else because it's a bit of a wash the 95 degrees C thing isn't really a lot to worry about you'll see that when we do more tests with different coolers an upper middle of the road cooler on the 7900x and the 7950x isn't going to make a dramatic difference in terms of performance at the end of the day and just because the CPU is running at 95 degrees C the part of the CPU that's running at 95 degrees C is so physically small and is using so little energy in comparison to everything else that it's not really dumping a significantly more energy into the room it would be different if the CPU itself were running at like 300 or 350 Watts or something like that at the end of the day both of these CPUs are using roughly the same amount of electricity and for multi-core workloads the AMD CPU can get a lot more done for gaming workloads uh amd's pushing the single core boost frequency so high that you lose whatever you would gain you know you would have gained from the efficiency side of things unless you manually dial that in but for gaming workloads it doesn't really matter what's the benefit that you get that's the one percent lows and the 0.1 percent lows it was significantly better on the AMD platform playing Pub G for whatever reason well I mean I think I know whatever the reason is since it's a newer platform but for whatever reason because you know pubg is really sort of janky it's not great it's not really well optimized it's not going to matter for Esports titles but for Pub G uh the overall game performance was better on the am5 platform at 4K 120 hertz all of the things being equal then uh you know then the Intel system and mostly that wasn't down to the average frame rate although to be clear the average frame rate was higher on the am5 platform because the Intel system you know we were at 90 89 85 89 90 95 FPS a lot more often than the am5 system but also the 0.1 percent lows and the one percent lows over a two hour span were much better on the am5 platform could you tune the Intel system and recover some of that could you lower your graphic settings or or other stuff to make it a little bit less CPU bottleneck will we see more cash to combat that kind of thing in 13th gen Intel I think to answer all those questions is yeah yeah but in terms of worrying about the 95 degrees C hot spot I don't think that's really a thing that you should do in either case as long as it's designed to operate like that with Intel when you hit the cutoff temperature and it starts throttling the CPU throttle is hard and you feel it and it's there I hit 93 94 degrees C on the am5 system and I never knew that I was throttling or I never knew that I never felt throttling in the same way so even though I hit the really high temperatures it wasn't like the game stuttered or hitched or did anything like that because it's designed to operate at 95 degrees C in a way that's different than what we're used to I think historically that hasn't been true and so that's why a lot of people are freaking out because if you hit that thermal throttle threshold on an Intel CPU you feel it you know it the system is doing something weird but you don't really have that on the am5 platform it's sort of weird you still need a good cooler but you don't need Herculean cooling that's all I'm saying I'm one of those level one this has been a quick look at something kind of interesting hopefully I didn't ramble too much I'm signing out you can find me in the level one forums if you have any questions or I got it horribly wrong I'll see you there foreignoh my gosh it's 95 degrees C ah everybody freak out okay yes der Bauer saved 20 degrees C by belitting that's a thing but it's not that simple I mean okay yeah it is that simple if you delete it you you get 20 degrees C but the performance difference with that isn't really super insanely significant until you enter overclocking and the performance difference between the middle of the road cooler at a high-end cooler really isn't that much except maybe possibly on the 7950x but I think a more interesting question is when you're playing a game how much heat is actually dumped into your room everybody remember the FX 8350 days I certainly do I've got a system behind me it's 4K 120 hertz what does power usage look like over time that is what we're going to take a look at today has AMD lost the efficiency crown foreign okay let's take a closer look at our setup this is our system this is in a be quiet case with the pure Loop 360. you know it's not a super expensive cooler we're also using an ASRock 6950 XT for the GPU although I also tested with the MSI 3090 Supreme I did both but for this video we're going to focus on AMD 6950 testing we're also using the ASRock steel Legend I've got steel Legends which are kind of like for like oh I lost a screw this is the Alder Lake version that is the am5 version they're pretty similar we're also using a uh g-skill Trident Z kit this is the same between both systems that is the combination XP and uh Expo or XMP kit it's ddr5 6000 attuned the kit on the Intel platform to be the best possible performance but otherwise it's you know just the out of the box profile configuration on XPO 16 cores with the 12 900k on our z690 platform versus the 7950x that's it other than the XMP and Expo profiles the CPU and GPU are running at their out of the box stock defaults across the board I get what I did there across the motherboard all right across both motherboards we want to monitor power consumption so we will monitor the computer and only the computer not our monitor or anything else that's hooked up and see exactly what's going on we're doing this with the kilowatt hour mode or it's it's a logging thing on our what's up meter here it's a USB logger so we can see how it uses power over time and everything else we're going to be playing two hours of pubg on each system at 4K 120 Ultra graphic settings full screen not windowed and we're going to monitor how much electricity is used our monitor that's an Asus it's the ux or it's the pg43 uq I think and yeah vsync is on because I can't get any more frames out of the display so the reality is here that all this electricity that the system uses ends up as heat right yes some energy is lost as sound and light and the mechanical movement of the fans and that sort of thing but stop stop being a neckbeard stop stop so it's pretty easy if your PC is using 500 watts of electricity it's effectively the same as a 500 watt space heater not 495 Watts at the end of the day in terms of what it's doing to your room and heating it up and spoiler alert most of our energy is going to our GPU not our CPU at least that's our expectation so let's take a look at the numbers so we've got our system set up this is our ASRock steel Legend and our what's up Pro the first system we gotta test is the 7950x it's pretty straightforward our Watson Pro is actually even a little bit better than the other meter that we use sometimes the kilowatt because it will actually record the data over time so when I start the stopwatch I can compare it with the internal chronometer on the WhatsApp Pro that's cool I can I actually got a chance to say internal chronometer in a YouTube video that's nice but it's not it's accurate it does have an internal chronometer and that keeps track of how much power was used when over time so I can sort of compare that with the over the shoulder footage of when I'm actually playing you know Battlegrounds to see how busy it is now fan speed inside the machine is locked to 100 for both the internal CPU fan headers or just you know General system fan headers on the motherboard as well as our GPU so fan speed variation on the two platforms shouldn't make a difference the only thing we're really swapping here is motherboard and processor same memory same storage same power supply same case same everything theoretically except for the processor motherboard first up our am5 system this is from a couple of runs got a lot of footage many many hours footage an exhausting amount of footage but when we look at the performance here we're floating at about 565 567 watts of power while this thing is running and we're we're pretty much locked at 120 FPS okay it dips a little bit but our general performance here is really good oh and don't worry I am capturing the one percent lows and the the 0.1 percent lows we'll talk about that in a minute the performance of the system overall was very satisfactory I didn't really experience any weirdness or glitches or anything else like that while I was playing you should know that I do have the fans set to in the software I have the maximum fan speed set to 100 and manual control does it really run at 100 it's still sort of up to the GPU but the GPU fan settings were the same between both systems all the system fan settings were also a hundred percent across the board so system you know is running all of its fans consistently between the two platforms so with all that in mind the first number that we have from our am5 system basically on the order of 565 watts and this is not an exact science at least not yet although the the data logging is down to the second in our Data Logger so keep that in mind we'll come back to it now for our Intel system it's pretty much the same the motherboard is going to be a little different you can't get it super exactly the same you got to also look at idle power we'll talk about that in a minute but overall the Intel system was using 10 to 20 watts more for the same level of performance what's worse the Intel system struggled keeping that 4K 120 and we were dipping down to 90 FPS a lot more often but like for like ultra settings full screen 120 hertz basically within 10 to 20 watts I think is a wash I was actually expecting a little bit bigger difference because the multi-core performance of our am5 CPU is considerably higher than our Intel performance but in gaming it seemed not to really matter that much at 4K 120 hertz the GPU is doing all the work the GPU is what's holding its back so both CPUs are being pretty efficient with their time they're not wasting any power so both are Intel and our am5 system are using less than 200 Watts most of the time we're GPU Limited in other words so I started to think maybe this wasn't the right thing to do maybe I should swap in our 240 hertz pixio Monitor and repeat the same test that's going to make us a little bit more CPU bound but you know what the ultimate CPU bound thing is rendering okay maybe a gaming test wasn't what we needed at all or at least you know getting a baseline for a rendering comparison so blender here now we know that blender has a benchmark but blender's Benchmark completes pretty quickly we actually need to be able to run blender for a long time so I did that but to make the video a little bit simpler we can talk about blender performance in the context of The Benchmark because you can download The Benchmark and run it for yourself the am5 blender Benchmark is considerably higher than the Intel 12900k as you know 13th gen is on the way they're going to be 16 e cores to make up the difference at roughly the same power envelope so when we're talking about rendering work done the am5 system is getting more rendering work done at the same wattage now for rendering both of our CPUs we're consuming around 350 Watts 350 Watts that seems crazy we know that the processor should be like 220 to 240 Watts I mean that's the maximum for out of the box performance you must have done something no remember these are similar kinds of systems and the fans are running it 100 all the time and the CPUs or maybe doing a little bit of extra work because I've got the the monitor locked in at 120 hertz it's kind of a weird thing on some in some situations the idle power will be higher than you expect because the refresh rate is really high on your monitor I don't know if that's what was happening here but both systems were idling at around 100 Watts 107 Watts 110 Watts something like that I could change that if I change the power mode from balance to power saver it would go from 110 watts to 90 Watts but the power usage at the wall of both systems was basically comparable and remember all we're really doing swapping the motherboard now again rendering performance for a long rendering job the Intel CPU is going to take a significant amount of time more in order to complete the render we know that because this blender Benchmark score is also lower than the 7950x so if you were doing a render job and letting it run overnight yeah the system May finish an hour sooner but for the time that the render is running both systems are dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room one of them will finish sooner but both systems are dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room when we're strictly talking about gaming both systems are basically dumping a comparable amount of heat into the room with a slight Edge to AMD AMD certainly more efficient the rendering benchmarks show that and the rendering benchmarks show that is significantly more efficient but AMD has also pushed the voltage frequency curve as far as they possibly can to try to compete with a single thread performance that they know is coming with 13th gen Intel and that's beyond the the you know best efficiency curve that you would get from am5 Silicon now both of these processors are tunable the 12 900k I think out of the box the efficiency is pretty terrible am5 the efficiency out of the box could definitely be better at least with the 7950x and the 7900x curve Optimizer -10 on those CPUs you you can reduce the amount of power that the CPU uses in rendering scenarios by upwards of 50 Watts with single digit percentage degradation in terms of the overall multi-core performance meaning that the 7950 you can feed it 40 less watts and it's still going to utterly destroy the 12900k in rendering tasks it's going to reduce the power and blah blah blah so if you want to do that you can but by the same token the 12900k can also be tuned to be more efficient on the voltage frequency curve and it's still going to take longer to do the render so the total amount of heat that goes into your room for the full length of the render is still going to be worse on the Intel platform but for gaming it's not time limited it's up to you it's sort of rendering a few less frames over time but you're still only going to game two hours or three hours or ever how much gaming that you want to do and so in terms of gaming the amount of heat that's dumped into your room is roughly comparable so why am I all hung up on the amount of heat dumped into your room that kind of goes back to our hot spot conversation so when we're talking about hot spots on the CPU look at the shot of the CPU from AMD we've got two tiny tiny little chiplets and we got our i o die when we talk about 95 degrees C that hot spot is in a very small area uh connected to a very large and very thick integrated heat spreader and yes it could be 20 degrees C cooler but for the voltage frequency curve that that CPU is out of the box it's not dumping more heat into your room we just sort of proved that you can make it dump less heat into your room with a negligible impact on performance by tuning that's also true of Team Intel but at the end of the day for gaming performance it's a bit of a wash it's not dramatically more efficient one way or the other I think eco mode actually even dials it too far in the other direction for 65 Watts I think 105 watts is sort of The Sweet Spot at least for the 7950x and the 7900 in our review video of the 7600x and the 7700x the 7600x was it was very difficult to use curve Optimizer with the 7600x you can tell that AMD has really really Bend those chiplets and the 7600x basically is what it is which is why I wasn't super enthusiastic about it the 7600x the 8 core is much better in that regard in that you can use carb Optimizer and you can do some some custom tuning but in terms of overclocking and tuning and efficiency and that kind of thing the fertile ground for that is the 7950x and the 7900x in terms of gaming and the hot spots and everything else because it's a bit of a wash the 95 degrees C thing isn't really a lot to worry about you'll see that when we do more tests with different coolers an upper middle of the road cooler on the 7900x and the 7950x isn't going to make a dramatic difference in terms of performance at the end of the day and just because the CPU is running at 95 degrees C the part of the CPU that's running at 95 degrees C is so physically small and is using so little energy in comparison to everything else that it's not really dumping a significantly more energy into the room it would be different if the CPU itself were running at like 300 or 350 Watts or something like that at the end of the day both of these CPUs are using roughly the same amount of electricity and for multi-core workloads the AMD CPU can get a lot more done for gaming workloads uh amd's pushing the single core boost frequency so high that you lose whatever you would gain you know you would have gained from the efficiency side of things unless you manually dial that in but for gaming workloads it doesn't really matter what's the benefit that you get that's the one percent lows and the 0.1 percent lows it was significantly better on the AMD platform playing Pub G for whatever reason well I mean I think I know whatever the reason is since it's a newer platform but for whatever reason because you know pubg is really sort of janky it's not great it's not really well optimized it's not going to matter for Esports titles but for Pub G uh the overall game performance was better on the am5 platform at 4K 120 hertz all of the things being equal then uh you know then the Intel system and mostly that wasn't down to the average frame rate although to be clear the average frame rate was higher on the am5 platform because the Intel system you know we were at 90 89 85 89 90 95 FPS a lot more often than the am5 system but also the 0.1 percent lows and the one percent lows over a two hour span were much better on the am5 platform could you tune the Intel system and recover some of that could you lower your graphic settings or or other stuff to make it a little bit less CPU bottleneck will we see more cash to combat that kind of thing in 13th gen Intel I think to answer all those questions is yeah yeah but in terms of worrying about the 95 degrees C hot spot I don't think that's really a thing that you should do in either case as long as it's designed to operate like that with Intel when you hit the cutoff temperature and it starts throttling the CPU throttle is hard and you feel it and it's there I hit 93 94 degrees C on the am5 system and I never knew that I was throttling or I never knew that I never felt throttling in the same way so even though I hit the really high temperatures it wasn't like the game stuttered or hitched or did anything like that because it's designed to operate at 95 degrees C in a way that's different than what we're used to I think historically that hasn't been true and so that's why a lot of people are freaking out because if you hit that thermal throttle threshold on an Intel CPU you feel it you know it the system is doing something weird but you don't really have that on the am5 platform it's sort of weird you still need a good cooler but you don't need Herculean cooling that's all I'm saying I'm one of those level one this has been a quick look at something kind of interesting hopefully I didn't ramble too much I'm signing out you can find me in the level one forums if you have any questions or I got it horribly wrong I'll see you there foreign\n"