We look at those yes, those matter, but they don't matter as much in an interview. We're looking at thatThat's what got you to the interviewAnd so that's an important point to make when we do interviews they will depend on the location if we do an interview forExample in the Bay area and San Francisco Bay area in the states will have a thousand Candidates for a position and so if we're interviewing you you're already one in 100 or one and two hundred or one and four hundred whatever it ends up being because of the number we hire in We're pretty confident

You've got a good resume right and so the interview really goes beyond that resume or you wouldn't be thereEven in Colorado, which is the state? I live in if we put out a position that has any interest to the software communityWe'll have a hundred to 200 applicants and these are top people. I mean we get applicants who are likeOh, I finished first in China this year on this particular software challenge Like China

That's there's a few people in that countryI think a lot of people come into an interview and one of the reasonsThey fail some of what I was talking about before the humblebrag the giving proper attributionRealigning what they were doing with an application is they forgot that we've already looked at hundreds of resumesAnd we already like you rightSo we're looking for something in the interview that wasn't in the resume so it's not just here's my resume job doneYou meet me and then you know whether aside you basically said I

resumes kind of like the headlines exactly nowLet's find out what this guy. Oh, this girl is likeThat's a great point and the thing to keep in mind is now you're competing against the best of the best of the bestRight so we've gone through those thousand resumes those thousand resumes presumably were qualified people from a much larger poolAnd now we're interviewing three or four of you for the final job. If somebody's not local to you

How do you approach that if you have? applicantsinternationally or is it that they need to get to you or have that work just out in chess because we have also got aGlobal audience here, soAbsolutely, well we do try to do a three-stage screeningAnd so we'll go through all the resumes and of course we want people from all over the worldThere's you know there's brilliance everywhere

We'll do a phone screen to find out you know who the best of the best are and that will prevent them from having toTravel or anything elseSome people are allowed to be distributed remotely, so I have a person, Indiana of a person in in Seattleand a person in Chennai, IndiaYou know then so these these are really good folks we've decided they can be there because they can successfully work from

You know from the remote spot most people will come into the bay area or Bristol Bristol uk here or Fort CollinsColorado and work, and so will typically do is if they've got past in the phone screeningThey got on to stage three which is the last stage before hireWe will pay for them to fly out to where we're going to do the interviewTypically the Bay area because that's where the bulk of ourResearch effort is but it'll also be bristol uk or four columns depending on where we're going to bring them in to hire and so

We will hireInternationally, but tend to ask them to relocate to one of our global offices and so it's really up to the person do they wantTo make that move from let's say Malaysia to a let's say a china office in Shanghai do they want to make the move from? We get some brilliant person who's let's say from Egypt we don't have a research operation

There are they willing to move from egypt to say Bristol uk so that's up to the personBut we do we do definitely encourage people from all over the world to come in because it's it's good for usI mean a big part of what I've worked on the last three or four years in the quantitative standpoint forData analytics is looking at the impact of diversity on creativity, and it's huge so we know that

I mean, we know that the more diverseType of employee that we bring in the better overall products. We're going to getIs much more powerful than for example two craters which were the state-of-the-art when I did my master's thesis because I was working onImpedance tomography back then and I was killing the Craig computerI had to actually chase students out with add music at 3 in the morning, so I could add two cray to myselfNowadays you do that. I've got more power on my iphone than I ever had with your credit computer

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enA lot of people watching this channel might want to have a career in computing and you work in industrySo I thought kind of we could just maybe have a chat about what it's likeFrom your point of view what you're looking for from peopleAnd what you know what people should be thinking about when the you know what a period isThank you. That's a great question. I mean I hire about ten people a year a lot of them go intoWhat I would call a jason sees to computing so for example. I've got a team. That's working on sensing in the life sciences andThe Big Data is hitting everything right?So if you're a data scientist which most computer scientists have some inclination towards at these daysAnd it is a huge premium you will have those kinds of fields as well open to youJust so people know right you know the organization you are at for usI'll try to be concise, but I'm in Hp labsand I'm in the position where I direct a large group of people around the world in everything from mechatronics and robotics to3D printing softwareTo what we call security printing the security printing also ties in a lot to the internet of things if you use that clicheBeing able to interrogate a physical object whether it's a label packaging 3D printed object manufactured objectAnd then be able to get useful information to yourself off of that and soThe software folks that I'm looking for involved in everything from analytics Big Datato algorithms being able to add to theSort of signal and image processing that I believe it - with sensing so a broad set of skills in thereWe do also need people can roll up the sleeves and make this stuff leggyRight so because it's really nice to talk about these algorithmsbut I've got to put them on a mobile phone in the end andSo I do need people who are good with you know everything from Xamarin to you know the follows on toDroid and Ios programming pretty much everything right now has aprocessor somehow involved in it and the ability for you to code at the level below just theUI you know the Ui based software is going to help you inTerms of hiring what we're looking for obviously our people who have a very can-do attitude who have experience across bothWeb technology and non web technology right? It's better not to edge and halt yourself and just focus on algorithms, or just focus on webGenerally speaking because I'm in a researchLab we will tend to hire people who are better at the algorithm side and at writing those types of thingsbut we do have webby type things as well because anyTechnology now is going to go live it's going to go mobileIt's going to go on the cloud and so we're looking for people who have had experienceAlong the lines of what I saw here last year when I went through with the I think it was a third-yearCompetition and with the third-year competition you saw a lot of students kind of rolling up the sleevesBringing different technologies to bear and saying oh yeah, we need a webby aspect to that because that's going to make itDemonstrable at the FairBut it also has to do something useful and so I think you see this real combination people always talk aboutYou know older Coders like myself who grew up writing you know ones and zeros literally at the startto folks now who know how to exercise an apI for the webpeople people on the website say boyI wish those old guys would just do something interesting and the old guys say I wish those young guys would just do something thatMeant something right, but it's actually there's a real good commonality between thereAnd I think what we're seeing is that because so much technology now isIntimately tied to needing good software to be written for itYou really need both of those and so people who have that ability toYou know do something with raspBerry Pi or Arduino something where you're kind of really getting your hands dirty and looking atsort of the older Style programming languages whether it's C C++even JavaTo people who are much more webbyYou know building out websites using Jason or something else if they'll people have both of those things or even pythonI really like python because I think it gets people's hands dirty, but at the same timethey're able to percolate up from that so that's what we're looking for and of course being in research if you're good at R ifYou're good at Matlab if you go to some of the open source types of approaches we're looking for that as wellthose are just a starting point though, soWhat we're really looking for and particularly in a research lab is we're looking for characterright so I IGet to be pulled in I've got much more technical people in the various areas on my team of course than I amBut we pull people in and I try to ask them off-the-cuff questions to see how to handle themSo one guy, and it was surprising. I said, what's the worst thing you ever did that you didn't report?You know to Eh&s so environmental health and safety and I didn't expect an answer, but he actually gave me one and so yeahwe had this radiation leak andCovered it up and got all the material put away and all that and I'm like wow this is kind of disturbingBut the way he handled itHe said it wasn't the big deal, and it would have shut down the lab and it was you know, so it was tritiumOr something that was actually relatively easy to clean up in the endWe ended up offering the guy a job and hiring himbut if this is astonishingAdmission and so I'm looking for people like that because even though the story could have been potentially embarrassing him at firstI was like do I have to call the hMSIt was he had hindsight the guy was very honest with meand he told me what he did and why he did it and that he took responsibility forCleaning up the situation and not getting the lab closed down for a year, so you have to kind of learnoff-the-Cuff questions really helpasking people that kind of shakes them out and you find out a lot that way if you get somebody kind of off theNormal mark for things they'll end up telling you something they've done. That was veryFascinating that won't show up on the resume because they might have been embarrassed about itAnd so that's one of the things that I definitely look for in a software person somebody who's done something thatHad nothing to do with their classesAnd they did it because of their love for what software can do as we all recognize that now?We're going we're in a real transition right now in the worldWe're going from a world where open-source software has become de rigueur and people know how to go out and get software that can doCertain tasks we know which type of software we can actually use we've watched the you know the evolution from hadoop to spark etceterathings change over time but it's more and more open source for theSort of Pedestrian things that we need to do to exist in a cloud-based mobile worldThat's about to happen to hardware and so you look at Nottingham University of Nottingham hereThere's some fascinating work being done and added of manufacturing and new forms of manufacturingI have teams that work on that the majority of the people that are on my teams working in 3D printing are software people andIt's because 3d printing if you're doing additive manufacturing and you're looking at merging masks customized with Mass productionParts, so all the mass production parts are the sameSomebody's parts merge onto that in the end. You know it's that's easy enough to doWe're just going to snap those parts together like a lego set not that easyHow do you actually produce those parts? How do you track them? How do you validate them? How do you forensically?Analyze them all of that takesvery strong algorithmicExpertise it takes somebody who can actually put together the software in a modular fashionAnd somebody who's smart enough to figure out?I need to go look at what a manufacturing line looks like and see what they're they're addressing and so for me ISee a lot of this going on where people say yeah 3D printingIt's going to replace manufacturing no, it's not going to replace manufacturingIt's going to augment it if you look at what manufacturing is nowpeople have the largest capital assets most companies have ifTheir manufacturing company is what they have in a manufacturing line. They've got robotics. They've gotYou know very fast production line that assume the same product is going through multiple timesIt's the old assembly line mentality and so everything has been streamlined optimizedOverproduced so that I can get as many parts through here as possible because I make more money if I doThat now goes away, and you say well, what do I do?With you know let's say I've got a 30 year capital asset that I'm losing money off of if I get rid of it inThe next you know 10 20 30 years so that's a big part of what's going on is how we can merge?What we're doing with additive manufacturing with existing manufacturing lines. It's not going to happen with hand-wavingIt's going to happen with software and so that's a good example peopleWho've actually addressed that that's one specific area look at healthcare for another one if we want to draw in other areasSo I've got teams working on what are called surface enhanced Raman spectroscopy sensors and what that basically is is these tiny little?Nano fingers that when they collapse on an analyteThere's an enhancing effect by the materials that we use gold tips ETC and very smallYou know just a few hundred nanometers in length for these fingers when an analyte or a simpson?single chemical gets trapped inside of hereIHit it with a laser light and the raman scattering that I get off of that is enhanced up to 10 to the 12 timesSo up to a million million timesenhancement of the signal that I would normally get off of that analyte because of the architecture I put around that asWe start looking at that and you can see imagine the futureI've got some kind of a smart rag or a smart plastic surface that I just take rub across this tableTake it out and sense everything that was on the table right so it's going to make forensic analysisExtremely fast and as you can see down the road that might include things like polymerase chain reaction or PCRWhich means that I can get automatic dna sequencing or rNa sequencing off of what I picked up if it's proteinaceous?So there's a lot of different things that I can do with that technology all of that is softwareBioinformatics is what makes me be able to analyze the dnA in the rna all the normal signal processing that I would normally do forAudio you know, so you're an audio expert. You know about that. You've got one key signal processing that's going onI've got imaging which is 2d signal processing that comes on there, so I'm looking for those types of things when I bring in aCandidate for hire, and I'm looking for somebody who's got of strength in one area and thenBreadth across the area and so people talk about this this is I'm pologize again to the non states peopleThis is States jargon. We look for aT-Shaped software engineer which means somebody who's got a lot of Breadth in this direction and can go deep in one area for researchI'm looking for a comb shaped person, so once somebody has got that Breadth, but they can go deep in several areas now. They'll betypically from my labThey'll be a master or phd so we know they go deep in one area because they had to get that dissertationApproved and they've got smart people like the professors here nodding him walking them through thatBut I'm looking for somebody who also took it and went deep in another area so for examplesomebody may be very interested inElectrical engineering and because of their thesis they had to do one thing let's say working on you knowThe sayers that I talked about the surface enhanced Raman spectroscopyBut because they were interested in signal processing they spent the rest of their timeDoing music and so they figured out how to build you know analog and digital circuits to doElectronic music or something like that if I see something like thatthen I know this person really is interested in that they're not just doing it becauseIt was a convenient path to a degree or a degree that they thought they'd have a you know livelihood inAnd so we're really looking for that, and I try to throw students not you know with thatthat being said I'mOne person and the other people on my interview team are going to be looking for those specific skills to make sure that they can'tSneak away with that and so for meI will typically cover the few areas that I'm qualified to look at Perhaps imaging perhaps or statistics or analyticsBut other people on my team will be taking them very deep into what's under the hood in terms of a cloud deploymentThey said they did right or what's under the hood for some type of an intelligent system that they?Supposedly designed and in most cases you'll find out the student will admit very quicklyOh, I actually relied on Bob or Susie or whoever to actually do some of that workAnd they think that's they're afraid to bring that up in an interview as far as interviews goThat's that's when we know we've hit goal, right?because we want people who can admit they need somebody else to get a big project on ifIt's somebody who actually did the whole project by themselves hmM might not be that good of a project, right?But if it's something where they worked with a bunch of other smart people, and that's what I've been lucky at in lifeI've worked always with a lot of people smarter than me and the project that I'm working with you dig into theExpertise they have in you're like wowThank you now. I don't have to sweat the detailsI need to understand what you didBut I don't have to do the details and so we're looking for people who can admit?They've actually worked with people and at least an area of their project who are better than themAnd you're going to have to do that in lifewe all know that and the farther you go in this field the smarter the people around you are you know unless you'reunfortunate that's if you're fortunateAnd so you learn to tap into those people and make a bigger project counter that so you look at anything?That's big you want to get into industry you've got to be on a big project that you've worked with a lot of otherIntelligent people on you can acknowledge them very wellAnd you can understand what they did without having to be an expert in that and so againIt's that Comme chez person you've got to know how to fill in those voids that you don't go deep in if you can doThat you're going to interview quite well at least for a research doneyou mentioned aboutExcelling in questions to catch people not necessarily all but just just to see what makes them tick and it was the way they mightmess that upI mean, I'm assuming you want them to tell the truth of these you know you know not looking for big cover-Ups and stuff, soYeah, that's a great question and it is hard for somebody to hide and I think that's why people are honest when you give themThe you know kind of off-the-cuff question if some of them off-guard I'm looking for characterAnd so one of the things you can definitely doTo blow an interview is show that you don't have character, and so if I ask a question like that, and I sayWhat's the worst thing that ever happened and it becomes kind of a humblebrag where the person's like oh the worst thingI ever did was I didn't catch that my colleague was cheating fast enoughThat's not a good answer, right so so I'm not looking for those kind of humble bagsAs I'm the one I mentioned before where a colleague had an incident and he cleaned it up and took responsibilityFor its cleanup was shocking at firstBut then I realized he had character because he knew how to follow through on that and so if somebody says oh well the worstThing that ever happened to me was something my colleagueDid or something this person did or the project failed because the people?I was working with in follow through on it may well be trueThat's probably not something you want to bring up in an interview in an interview you really want to focus on the way youhandled Adversity and brought that to adecent conclusionAnd we all run into adversity and by the way when some of the interviews and they tell me they work with a jerkThey're usually telling the truthThat's a tough oneAnd so if you see that they really were working with a jerk you try to see if they can find a way to steerthat into a positive because we have to do that we all work with jerks and life we might even be jerks occasionally andyou know we don't mean to be but we are andSo the way in which somebody is going to work with us when we are having a bad day like thatOr the way in which we work with somebody when they're clearly having an off day or life time isIs really important and so we want to do is see that that person can actually handle that and move forward positively?So if I don't see that in response to a question like thatThat's one way of blowing it another way of blowing an interview would be for somebody to just be focusing onWhat I would call the quantitativeAspects of what they've doneThey're really focused on the number of things they've done number of publications number of you know grants that they've got number of awardsThey've won those types of things those are importantBut if the person doesn't then go a level deeper and tell me what it was thatThey did to get those awards or what they felt the award was about or who else should have shared in that awardThat's another way to kind of blow an interview because you're going to be working with a teamYou're be working with a bunch of people if we've done our jobs right hiringThey're going to be just as smart as you or on average right in the meet in the mean and soit's a weird thing, but if you're actually in an interviewAnd you're spending too much time talking about yourself and not the people around you you're actually insulting the person interviewing youYou're not insulting the people you work with and this is a tricky one todescribe but I think if you stick with me here, you'll get it if you'reActing like the interviewer like you're the best thing that's ever happened to their company you may well be rightYou might be the best in that areaBut you're also insulting them because you're implying the people they've already got working there or even the interviewerThemselves because again you'll have technical interviewers areNot as good as you so it's a it's a tricky one the balance you do want to come across positiveYou want to show that you have that talent?But you don't want to insult the person interviewing you or insult worse yetThe team that you haven't met and so I think that's a tricky one there you have to it's a delicate balance between humilityProper humility and also being very self confident and so I'm looking for somebody who can be self confidentBut not have to do it at the expense of others and so one of the ways of doing that in an interview isobviously looking forWays to positively contributeSo if somebody tells me they've got a talent for thisThey're like well the reason why I did that was my grandma needed something that would helped her stand upAnd I realized that grandma did not have really goodLeg Muscles anymore and so what I had to do was going to be something that actuallyAugmented her since some people could physically move around where somebody else said my grandma still have stolen musclesBut she has problem with her motorYou know her motor neuronsAnd so if I was able to stimulate those I could do that so it's an example from you know bionics or bioYou know some type of bio assist that would be a good example of it somebody who said oh, yeahAnd by the way, I got an award for thatBut that wasn't the reason I went into it right and so those are the types of things, so if you've gotapplications for what you've doneThat's a far better way to talk about itThen in terms of the recognition you got from Society whether you won a scholarship or you won an award. YesWe look at those yes, those matter, but they don't matter as much in an interview. We're looking at thatThat's what got you to the interviewAnd so that's an important point to makewhen we do interviewsthey will depend on the location if we do an interview forExample in the Bay area and San Francisco Bay area in the states will have a thousandCandidates for a position and so if we're interviewing you you're already one in100 or one and two hundred or one and four hundred whatever it ends up being because of the number we hire inWe're pretty confidentYou've got a good resume right and so the interview really goes beyond that resume or you wouldn't be thereEven in Colorado, which is the state?I live in if we put out a position that has any interest to the software communityWe'll have a hundred to 200 applicants and these are top people. I mean we get applicants who are likeOh, I finished first in China this year on this particular software challenge Like ChinaThat's there's a few people in that countryI think a lot of people come into an interview and one of the reasonsThey fail some of what I was talking about before the humblebrag the giving proper attributionRealigning what they were doing with an application is they forgot that we've already looked at hundreds of resumesAnd we already like you rightSo we're looking for something in the interview that wasn't in the resume so it's not just here's my resume job doneYou meet me and then you know whether aside you basically said I resumes kind of like the headlines exactly nowLet's find out what this guy. Oh, this girl is likeYeahThat's a great point and the thing to keep in mind is now you're competing against the best of the best of the bestRight so we've gone through those thousand resumes those thousand resumes presumably were qualified people from a much larger poolAnd now we're interviewing three or four of you for the final job. If somebody's not local to youHow do you approach that if you have?applicantsinternationally or is it that they need to get to you or have that work just out in chess because we have also got aGlobal audience here, soAbsolutely, well we do try to do a three-stage screeningAnd so we'll go through all the resumes and of course we want people from all over the worldThere's you know there's brilliance everywhereWe'll do a phone screen to find out you know who the best of the best are and that will prevent them from having toTravel or anything elseSome people are allowed to be distributed remotely, so I have a person, Indiana of a person in in Seattleand a person in Chennai, IndiaYou know then so these these are really good folks we've decided they can be there because they can successfully work fromYou know from the remote spot most people will come into the bay area or Bristol Bristol uk here or Fort CollinsColorado and work, and so will typically do is if they've got past in the phone screeningThey got on to stage three which is the last stage before hireWe will pay for them to fly out to where we're going to do the interviewTypically the Bay area because that's where the bulk of ourResearch effort is but it'll also be bristol uk or four columns depending on where we're going to bring them in to hire and soWe will hireInternationally, but tend to ask them to relocate to one of our global offices and so it's really up to the person do they wantTo make that move from let's say Malaysia to a let's say a china office in Shanghai do they want to make the move from?We get some brilliant person who's let's say from Egypt we don't have a research operationThere are they willing to move from egypt to say Bristol uk so that's up to the personBut we do we do definitely encourage people from all over the world to come in because it's it's good for usI mean a big part of what I've worked on the last three or four years in the quantitative standpoint forData analytics is looking at the impact of diversity on creativity, and it's huge so we know thatI mean, we know that the more diverseType of employee that we bring in the better overall products. We're going to getIs much more powerful than for example two craters which were the state-of-the-art when I did my master's thesis because I was working onImpedance tomography back then and I was killing the Craig computerI had to actually chase students out with add music at 3 in the morning, so I could add two cray to myselfNowadays you do that. I've got more power on my iphone than I ever had with your credit computer\n"