The Art of Relaxation: A Conversation with Adam and Wil Wheaton

In a world where binge-watching has become the norm, it's refreshing to have two individuals who value taking their time to think about their content. Adam and Wil Wheaton, known for their love of TV and technology, sat down to discuss the importance of slowing down and appreciating the little things.

Wil Wheaton started by talking about his own experience with binge-watching. "I used to get dumped 25 at a time or 10 at a time or whatever so that you hammer through them as fast as possible and have no time to think about who else watches TV and doesn't bench it," he said. "But I realized that if I let it gestate an episode for a few days, just like I do, I could really appreciate the story more." He went on to mention how he spent the summer of 1994 thinking about the plot of Star Trek: The Next Generation's two-part episode, "The Best of Both Worlds," which was released in May and August.

Adam responded by sharing his own experience with taking time to think about his content. "I think that's a good place to wrap up," he said. "We actually have a lot of exciting stuff going on this oh my god there's I got a juggle my head what we can talk about." He then went on to share some updates from the world of model making and designer con, which would be held in Anaheim that weekend. The convention is one of Adam's favorite events of the year, where he gets to meet fellow fans and see exclusive content.

The conversation then turned to a topic near and dear to both of their hearts: autonomous cars. "We talked about autonomous cars this week," Wil said, "and it's a huge topic because the technology is complicated." He explained that the levels of autonomy are often misunderstood, with people assuming that all self-driving cars can drive on ice. "It turns out the robots may not be able to drive on ice," he joked.

Adam then shared his thoughts on virtual reality (VR). "We've been talking a lot about VR because we've all been playing with the Quest a lot," he said, but found that it's not as easy as it looks. He expressed his desire for a more peaceful experience in VR, one that allows him to simply stand in a beautiful space and take it all in. "I don't want music I don't want to wander I just would like this sort of a quiet meditative space," he said.

As the conversation came to a close, Wil Wheaton mentioned his love for mixed reality experiences and shared some behind-the-scenes stories from his work on Twitch. The two also teased their upcoming projects, including Adam's own VR experience and Melissa Inge's exclusive designs at Designer Con.

The interview concluded with Wil Wheaton's characteristic enthusiasm and humor, leaving the listener with a sense of excitement and anticipation for what's to come. "Thanks so much for listening this week," he said, as they look forward to their next conversation.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwelcome to still entitled the out of town project and well I'm Adam and I'm norm Wow I just turned you up instead of down no that's alright how was your how are your respective weekends excellent I did a lot of catching up on television that was the main thing what oh I also went to a friend's son's Bar Mitzvah in Los Angeles a young man was exceptionally articulate and lovely Bar Mitzvah I saw my friends Wilin and Wheaton there and some of my other writer friends from Hollywood it was delightful and I did one of those trips to LA where I never actually went over the hill into Los Angeles I was staying at the Garland in Burbank and the the the Bar Mitzvah was over in Tarzana and so I gotta say there are times when I just love flying into Burbank and not leaving localized trips in LA are my favorite cuz you never have to embrace the freeway traffic right on weekends yeah and you never feel like it's the sprawl of it never gets to you the idea of it all yeah right you have purposeful in Burbank Airport oh I also had this little moment where you know the invitation said starts at 5:00 p.m. so I showed up with like 508 which meant that I was late yeah really cuz they started really at exactly finally yeah okay so I should have showed up at like 4:45 but I'm always terrified of being early I'm almost as terrified of being early as I am of being late yeah you bring it you brought your wasp business so that's an on-time event so it's already happening I sneak in from the back and I'm like feeling kind of crappy because I'm late luckily a whole bunch of people showed up after me but as I'm sitting down I look all the way across the temple and there's Will and Anne Wheaton looking over and giving me a little bit of a way so yeah and I caught up on some TV nice well we're talking about some of that TV today it's I don't think we should go full spoiler cast so let's be clear you talked like you say on TV we will have Disney Plus now Disney Plus launched last week and the big flagship show is the mandalorian a Mandalorian half man half Gloria mandalorian it's gonna get vegan but we thought the other joke on Twitter was how many of you have dated a Mandalorian only to discover that he was a boy - Lord nice needed the the Bat Mitzvah DeLorean before we spoiler can we talk about pistol-whip well we're not gonna spoiler okay let's talk about pistols I beat a guy I beat levels on hard last night first time a single gun single gun no modifiers no modifiers I set up a mixed reality studio in the in the house this weekend to film it so i streamed i streamed some pistol whip and I beat the first song on hard and it feels like a major videogame accomplishment how he resides there look I've been playing every day I've been working out I got a second battery pack for the for the vibe wireless man so yeah I keep um I keep breaking things on my coffee table no well yeah don't play me of the coffee table because this is the problem is it's just it's difficult to find an area open enough in my in my house because even in my office at home where I have I know I can even push the coffee table all the way over I've been breaking things ducking so you don't have a backyard right never like a little deck we'd go up on the roof which is seems ill-advised that's not that seems very odd but yeah you could go to the park after dusk no oh no no do you want it sorry that's way too vulnerable for me to put on something that it's my ability to see and hear have a minder I think you got that somebody would sounds even worse he's gone out in the backyard and it's awesome because you have a ton of space yeah and yeah we could do it we could do a party where we you know yes own set up that's right you're playing on so I tried a few levels on hard I've I've gotten through most of them in normal which actually that animal-powered felt like an achievement because like are you afraid on normal level you is a real ass kicker yeah yeah delightful ass kicker and frankly I tried two guns mm-hmm wait you more awesome or two guns feels more awesome and less awesome like way harder it's but also is hard in a weird way yes yeah there are aspects look the two and four shot dudes mm-hmm are trivial with two guns I find I'm using the two guns for like left left arm left side right side I am too but woe betide you if you miss one yeah well you don't realize it because as you're going they're gonna shoot you in the back of the head no yeah that's um yeah it turns out you don't have eyes back there and you're gonna get shot the thing I've tried lately is Deadeye which means he turns the auto aim off mm-hmm but it also is much more forgiving on the beat and the and the gritty scoring so like you get way more 200 points --is right but you also have to shoot like four or five shots to actually land one even on the single shot guys what what is your act but when you had auto aim turned on what is this yeah I'm hitting 80 pretty consistent yeah I think it's it gives me a unrealistic expectation to I'd ever do paintball although the legwork will prep you because a lot of paintball is catching this is just straight lunges for me I'm like I assume the like the three-point stance position with do feet ready to go down on the third if I there's a lot of butt out yeah yeah I also end up doing a lot of like rotating the whole top half of my body on a kind of a regular basis so that you have it they have a chance to aim and then miss me as I'm yeah exactly well you're telling it straight me own business I'm finding the game to be really really delightful yeah I just I can't get enough of it I'm I'm I I expected to kind of be where we're now by now but I'm just I'm I've got the patterns so locked down on the on the levels that I played a lot that I'm I'm just like it's just muscle memory where the where the bullets go now I'm particularly fond of the ones where dudes show up in multiples way far away and you can but you know I there's a couple places on the hard levels' where it will drop like six or eight guys all at one time and you just have to better and it's so satisfiying no two things before we get to men DeLorean one I heard you both saw at least Episode four of Watchmen which is last week's episode yes ladies for women with the with the Vietnamese actress from yeah she's amazing confirmed yes she's amazing right she's incredible and the scene where it's just her Jean smart and Regina King sparring in her her atrium right here garden it is an incredible scene wonderful all three of those actresses bringing so much wonderful meat to the scene yeah III would say that I haven't seen episode five yet but episode 4 are like two of the best episodes most maybe not best but most dense richest episodes of TV I think I've ever seen in three three it felt like well we talked about this last yeah three feels like old Alan Moore writing it feels like you know like the real thing and I think it feels very much like a damon lindelof show not yeah and i know a lot of people love her it's a love-hate relationship with Damon's work but lost and left overs are all about people who are dealing with trauma and the support groups they find and the ways they deal with it in the aftermath of some big incident this show is 100% set yeah it's a no brainer like it makes so much sense why he was tapped to write this because I see echoes of the leftovers everywhere yeah well I so I went back and listened to the podcast with him and Craig Mazin that you mentioned last week and the first episode the only episode right now is about episodes one through three and it's as I was listening to a two things struck me one is that it's really weird to have direct feedback from the artist about the artists intent on a watchman project fascinating just like yeah I mean the supplemental stuff that's at the end of the comics sure like is his way of providing that I think you know the the fake biography and and the the pirate the pirate story all does a little off very clearly says there was a time when he was watching the news and watching what's happening in Charlottesville yeah and also reading tenacity coats between the world and me and those were direct inspirations writing the show yeah he explicitly says look I looked at what the what was the major trauma for America in the 80s with Alan Moore in The Watchmen it was the impending threat of nuclear doom what is the what is the impending threat now and he's watching Charlottesville on TV he's like oh the white supremacist start wearing masks anymore that's scary right a lot of people where minded people wear masks yeah fascinating back to it but but yeah it's a it's a it is it is so I did I never really got into lost I watched most of the first season and kind of was like I don't think they know where they're going with this turns out very maybe they didn't yeah I bounced off of leftovers in the first season just because I had too much other stuff going on I I think I'm gonna go back and watch it now yeah because I I'm just this the richness of this world it's every character in this world even even like the secondary and tertiary character is like like Angela's husband and and the kids and and these other people like they all have they each have their story yeah and they're each of the actors is being given a lot of room to bring something real and what feels like very real and genuine to each of the roles and by the way Virginia Kings husband is such a ringer for playing a young dealt Delroy window hmm is an actor you've seen in a million things I his favorite role is in a Mamet film I love called heist with Gene Hackman Delroy Lindo literally he's almost a hats that guy fantastic african-american actor and it's not just that Regina King's husband looks like him but that they also have some similar acting mannerisms that I find there's some commonality so there's this I keep on thinking that he's Delroy Lindo son well you know he previously his big break was he was a villain in one of the villains in Aquaman he was Black Manta oh that's right I knew I'd seen him and you know he's cast in the new matrix film as rumored young Morpheus the Morpheus stories I have such high hopes for the new matrix I mean I remember having high hopes for Matrix sequels here's my reason for having high hopes they shot those two sequels together yeah which is in general in film history not a high percentage I think Lord of the Rings got it right but I'd better back to the future was a and this one was the matrix was definitely a yet however all eight scripts for Anna matrix are better than the second and third Matrix films so I still stand by the fact if you take the second and third Matrix films and cut them down to one film I think there's probably a good like if they if they were two and a half hours of film that I think this probably a good film they're probably right you're probably right we got to get Topher Grace to cut it together yeah or Joseph gordon-levitt either one so okay on from The Watchmen at Disney Plus okay well shut up I didn't realize it was Lou Gossett jr. was the wheelchair guy yes yeah the old man of the wheelchair he plays so much older yeah I totally didn't you know this is also like it took me forever to realize that Shepherd book from serenity was Sergeant Harris from Barney Miller it took me a million years to discover that Louis Gossett jr. one of the like truly great actors of my generation right like not my generation he's older than you know but like I grew up with him in office and a gentleman and all these amazing yeah he's gotta get for the show yeah also did you likely long now clock in a yeah they're really well she's effectively bezel essentially yeah it's it's a it's just there's so much there like it's just I can watch each episode multiple times and find new things every single time ah yeah anyway so awesome before we continue on with this week's episode 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we're gonna talk about it in a spoiler-free we may talk about some broad strokes but we will not talking about plot points we may talk about a character here at there for the most part a little more about the way that their approach to making the exact serialize television Star Wars the first thing you need to know is that it's really clear that this series seems to be going in a lone wolf and cub direction now famously Lucas based a lot of the plot of the original Star Wars films on Japanese samurai fortress including yeah hidden fortress is spectacular and clearly one of the main influences there are also ancillary characters in Kurosawa's films that c-3po and r2d2 are absolutely mirroring and Favreau who created a Mandalorian has seems to have taken the same direction so lone wolf and cub is this I think 14 movie series in Japan at god and it was also a television series in among well and yeah I'm bright and it is about a samurai traveling with a baby and it's half of it is paternal lovey seeds of the samurai taking care of this baby and the other half are blood curdling violence while he protects the baby and also in lone wolf and cub the baby carriage is itself a secret weapon with tons of like shooting darts and arrows and all sorts of booby traps it is it is actually a prop that Guillermo del Toro asked me to replicate at one point Wow and it's still a grand plan I have a whole folder of the reference images is something I'm considering okay I was doing a thing for criteria and I was interviewing G and the Peter Becker and G were talking yeah they were they were agreeing that if there was a criteria on movie I should replicate a prop from it was lone wolf in common I've got to go find these I've never seen this before and if Adrian then they'll be on the service yes and they're terrific they're wonderful they're much-loved deep series with the long history and that idea of pairing this kind of the stoic samurai war Ronin essentially who is in any other Kurosawa film you know unbeatable and without fault but pairing with a vulnerable child too they bring humanity out of them but also create these incredible slapstick comedic moments and in the fighting in the action sequences yeah that and what a perfect combo but I will also say that the slapstick and comedic parts of the fight scenes don't feel any less dangerous for our characters like sometimes you get slapstick like hobbits and barrels going through things that are so impossible there don't feel like there are any stay right in this even though there's some funny bits it's sort of shocking how much you're like damn this is he's in trouble and every modern action film that takes that trope of the hero unbeatable hero carrying a baby you know Clive Owen shooter we shoot him up sir and reporter that is yeah all pulled from the wolf and cub so so the thing that struck me about Mandalorian watching it having never seen will lone wolf and Cobb is it feels like it's pasted the first episode especially is paced like a serger like a spaghetti western yeah Oh Sergio not only pays a good shot yeah right so there's tons and that's the thing I love second episode even goes it leans heavier into that where shots feel very cinematically like Kurosawa shots from samurai films which are also borrowing heavily from the film iconography of John Ford and the early Western maker walls all of that was grabbed by Sergio Leone and then reinterpreted by Clint Eastwood this is this lovely so I've always been fascinated about the part of film history where the American Western goes to Japan gets reinterpreted and reinvents Japanese cinema under the aegis of Kurosawa and then Leone takes that and runs with that I hadn't fully n'cole kated I hadn't fully understood the way in which Star Wars plays into that whole place into that whole scene it's in the conversation and that yeah and the mandalorian it's correct can I talk about how great Pedro is Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal as the mandalorian like I had thought that up till now the best I haven't seen your face performance to me is Karl Urban as Dredd already no doubt right like unbelievable amount of characterization for not showing a lot of your face this role with acting there even it's it's really impressive that the helmet which is clearly a super important character in the film is a impressive and beautiful piece of design and care her and Pedro Pascal brings a tremendous amount of character to this role given that you at least until this is one you don't see his face deep he's hidden in the mass moved from the man with no name to the man with no face hey it's the the thing that I love about this is they took something that's familiar you know the Boba Fett armor that has massive extended universe stories and I guess the Jango Fett if we want to talk about that mm-hmm but but they take this this concept of like the warrior caste and instead of like filling in a plot hole right which Star Wars has tended to do recently like hey do you want to know what the hell by the Kessel run was 12 parsecs we make a movie about that yeah or you want to find out how they got the stolen Death Star plans we got that one too I mean that was right yeah yeah what's out there stored in a VHS yeah but but the point is you don't like instead of when you have those stories where the holes are where you're filling in holes there's not as much the stakes aren't as high yes that's the one thing that I loved about the first episode is the stakes feel incredibly I like you know exactly where he is you you and it's about five years post Jedi am I correct I don't know exact time will ya post Jedi but yeah that it was a battle of yavin plus nine dinah Jedi is Battle of Yavin plus four and so this is about four or five years ago Jedi versus the Star Wars video game that came out last week which is five years after Revenge of the Sith oh wow between three and four between three in the whole I love this is not a spoiler cause you read about it I love Werner Herzog yes playing playing I saw more of him when what you want more than one he is so great I I love that guy you loved his films I loved his documentaries I especially love it when he plays villains you you told me hey go watch the first Jack Reacher skip the second one yeah Verner Hertzog best villain I think I've ever seen and like that thriller II kind of scares me today in his ruling Jack Reacher terrifying right yeah no he's he's spectacular the kind of tiger with DD as IG 11 yeah that's taken with duties I think it's ig-88 no different completely watching by IG 11 was a meg is a meg is one is a robot in the first episode understood and I an assassin droid an assassin droid delightful characterization for a droid the brand like three new things like the way his eyes move eyes yes moved the way he shoots and his almost Asperger's way of talking is super enjoyable like a terrific Crocs like in the way they you know they they take someone the literal interpretation and that plays off for great comedic effect I think he's also a director and one of the episodes that's another interesting thing even though it is a serialized story they have this vision for for you know at least one season they bring in different directors to interpret their vision well and even more than that I noticed that Favreau's co-creator directed the first episode of funny and yeah and wrote the first episode and Favreau wrote the second episode yes so clearly they're they're handing off and yes each time the show really takes time it takes time there's some lovely moments of silence which is episode you don't get the ever in Star Wars because everything is I mean unless you watch the Clone Wars stuff but in live-action Star Wars you don't get quiet moments and it is slower pace and I you know I noted that the second episode was only about 33 minutes yeah oh wow yeah and yet it didn't feel like that and so I was watching the scene where where where the Mandalorians going through a doorway and just slowly and thinking just as what you said what a lovely thing to have this pace slowed way down I think this potential future for Star Wars where there's it where it gets the universe gets a chance to breathe on television is very exciting what's the thing it hasn't gotten to do in in the the new trilogy the second trilogy that for you know it never breathes doesn't always have to be forced powers and lightsabers I mean there's still time I I was a little bummed out by the first episode like I I came straight from watching three or four episodes of Watchmen Rhys incredibly dense like richly layered like thing like a puzzle box kind of an up and or an onion done veal whatever metaphor you want and I came into the mandalorian I watch the first person no no and it's really pretty I think the characters I'd that performances are great little thin the second episode will make you very good I watch the second say you have okay the second episode like there's there's more narrative struggle there's there's the stakes are real now it's you there's it's bringing more to it it's giving me hope that it's gonna continue building alright yeah I I enjoyed I liked it look I'll keep watching I think we've all enjoyed it and we should not say any more in fear of spoiling too much yeah I do want to give a the highest recommendation and dizzy plus if you subscribe to the service it's that kind of lot mostly right you're getting it's great if you have kids cuz I'm gonna get all the Disney stuff all the computer or tennis shoes oh my god it's right Russell hold on this piece of content does not reflect current societal standards cookie so there's a there's a there's a disclaimer yes before I'd say let's see a third maybe of the back handle oh really yeah actually says I don't put it on the video it's only on the descriptions so like for example Peter Pan racist as hell really really bad the Star Wars has a smoking warning in it these depictions of drug use in Episode four and it's like I guess there is smoking strategy in the cantina yeah oh yeah I mean they're big company they gotta protect themselves well by the way the the beings that salacious crumb is one of don't get well treated so that's one of the things that I loved is like they said they set up this world and you know like that's the kind of Easter Egg I love it's not like filling it up law at all it's not like explaining the origin of some yeah it's just saying hey this is a probably mostly sentient being that these people are eating this is a bad place yeah and I get that because I remember salacious crumb but yeah you know the kwaka and monkey lizards don't know that is that what it's called exhalation scrum as a kawaki and yeah what's well so there's a lot back I'll all ever episode Simpson I think Disney has come up to say that starting next year they're gonna reformat the Simpsons before by not sixteen by nine because right now it's as it is broadcast on cable which is scaled up to HD but you could lose the top and the bottom you lose many jokes no way the the famous example is the tough be tough factory where the where the deaf pipe goes down and it branches three ways to go to Duff like Duff Duff dry he's the same pipe oh my god it's cut off right so but they're gonna they the fans have spoken you're going back but there are a couple ridge '''l shows one of which i think is worth the subscription alone it's called the Imagineering story it's a documentary series six-part two episodes are out right now directed by Leslie Iwerks who also directed the Pixar story documentary like yeah wondering and the she comes from a family of Imagineers and it is unprecedented access into Imagineering at the history you see there's footage archival footage from the 50s of Anaheim be it being orange groves and being bulldozed and then building the 20-foot mounds around the edge of the perimeter of Disneyland and then laying down the railroad track amazing Wow it's normally God the jungle River like even if you're out I know I mean a big fan of like being at Disneyland but the the Imagineering idea like look I'm not a fans just not anyway not not for you I get the crowds stuff yeah but the development of volume animatronics like yeah they have story it sounds great I came at you years about how Lincoln would spaz out lightning storms would cause all circuits to to break before debuted at the World's Fair I was like I was crying at the end of it it's it's so good Oh amazing I also want to give a shout out to His Dark Materials which is on HBO HBO so this is a television series that is recapitulation of the Philip Pullman books the Golden Compass the the amber spyglass and the subtle knife is it called the subtle knife is the golden compass the the creepy that's the no it was a movie with Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig from a few years ago that was really good and well made Eva Green a tremendous cast it just didn't take off but one of the reasons that it's tough is that it's a very book it's a very dense trilogy of books with some amazing fantasy writing of a world that's close to ours but not quite it's the perfect form it's the perfect story for a long-form television show and I'm two episodes in the third episode came up last night I haven't watched that one yet but it's terrific lin-manuel Miranda's in it it's is a Texan beautiful yeah it's a beautifully made show and I'm really excited about where it's gonna go it's one of my favorite trilogies of fantasy no it's I love I love that we're talking about TV shows that are airing every week instead of getting dumped 25 at a time or 10 at a time or whatever so that you hammer through them as fast as possible and have no time to think about you know who else watches TV and doesn't bench it is Wil Wheaton ie let's it lets it gestate an episode and thinks about it for a few days just like you do I mean think about we're both old but think about like I think about the like I mentioned well we did somebody bring up TNG but like think about I think about that wait between best of both worlds part one and best of both worlds part two which was like May to August maybe hmm-hmm I spent that whole summer thinking wondering what what the hell there are they how was Picard gonna get out of this how are they gonna get a car out of the who shot mr. burns right right turns out it was Maggie thirty years old yeah yeah I'm stoked that I'm stoked that people are making TV that's not binge TV and that you want to think about some very exciting time all right I think that's a good place to wrap up we actually have a lot of exciting stuff going on this oh my god there's I got a juggle my head what we can talk about we did we have some nice chilling tells from the cave so I know we're approaching holiday season but Adam you got a chance to show off some of your very first projects things that people may have spotted in the background so those stories are gonna come out rolling this week I went to a model making convention in at the Westfield Mall in San Francisco over the weekend yeah small little a first year it's ever run for a gun demand Mecca and chat with food builders there and some of those videos room coming out soon awesome a lot of fun and this weekend is designer con I'll be down in Anaheim Wow back in Anaheim and it'll be three days if you're in the Southern California area it is more my favorite conventions of the year a lot of our friends of tests are gonna be there Melissa Inge oh it's gonna have a booth there too and sell some exclusive stuff Jason Freeney he's gonna be there shown signing his fingers you gotta look for bunches expect bunch of text messages and well tech pod this week we talked about autonomous cars so it's a huge topic like the technology is complicated so we really just got in at the at the top and talked about the different you hear about the levels right level 1 level 2 level 3 level 4 level 5 we explained how that stuff works and kind of what to look forward to and where things are going and blow there and how slow it's and how hard it is how 5 you know it turns out the robots may not be able to drive on ice yeah whatever yeah who knew yeah hey as a note I we've been talking a lot about VR because we've all been playing with the quest a lot and I am still seeking a certain kind of experience which I may just have to shoot myself film myself and that is I would love to just stand in a open space and take it in and I have yet I'm having trouble finding footage that it's like standing I'm standing at the shore of a mountain lake for like a five minutes meditating hearing it in so and hearing the sounds I don't want music I don't want to wander I just would like this sort of a quiet meditative space survive the vibe tutorial the lab thing has that but it's all photogrammetry spaces yeah and that might be what Adam what you want for you may be and it may be that I've got to spend a weekend traveling around with one of our rings around the Bay Area grabbing three to show people what I'm thinking now between peanuts you know and and because there's an aspect of when I'm standing there like I've said this before all these transition spaces in the games where you're kind of waiting for something to happen I'm finding those really lovely and I would love to just spend some more time in them yeah it's it's um it's well one of the things that's always striking is I think my VR room is a 10 by 10 foot right right so when I take the headset off it always feels really claustrophobic that God huge inflationary space into like oh I'm back in the house exactly it's a fun thing if you would see the mixed reality stuff I shot which it turns out the you guys did a great mixed reality video couple of a match let me Sylvia with the Adams Adams quest build but yeah I did the thing on the twitch channel last night so it's twitch.tv slash not that Will Smith alrighty okay and combine all other stuff at test calm and thanks so much for listening this week and we'll see you next time everydaywelcome to still entitled the out of town project and well I'm Adam and I'm norm Wow I just turned you up instead of down no that's alright how was your how are your respective weekends excellent I did a lot of catching up on television that was the main thing what oh I also went to a friend's son's Bar Mitzvah in Los Angeles a young man was exceptionally articulate and lovely Bar Mitzvah I saw my friends Wilin and Wheaton there and some of my other writer friends from Hollywood it was delightful and I did one of those trips to LA where I never actually went over the hill into Los Angeles I was staying at the Garland in Burbank and the the the Bar Mitzvah was over in Tarzana and so I gotta say there are times when I just love flying into Burbank and not leaving localized trips in LA are my favorite cuz you never have to embrace the freeway traffic right on weekends yeah and you never feel like it's the sprawl of it never gets to you the idea of it all yeah right you have purposeful in Burbank Airport oh I also had this little moment where you know the invitation said starts at 5:00 p.m. so I showed up with like 508 which meant that I was late yeah really cuz they started really at exactly finally yeah okay so I should have showed up at like 4:45 but I'm always terrified of being early I'm almost as terrified of being early as I am of being late yeah you bring it you brought your wasp business so that's an on-time event so it's already happening I sneak in from the back and I'm like feeling kind of crappy because I'm late luckily a whole bunch of people showed up after me but as I'm sitting down I look all the way across the temple and there's Will and Anne Wheaton looking over and giving me a little bit of a way so yeah and I caught up on some TV nice well we're talking about some of that TV today it's I don't think we should go full spoiler cast so let's be clear you talked like you say on TV we will have Disney Plus now Disney Plus launched last week and the big flagship show is the mandalorian a Mandalorian half man half Gloria mandalorian it's gonna get vegan but we thought the other joke on Twitter was how many of you have dated a Mandalorian only to discover that he was a boy - Lord nice needed the the Bat Mitzvah DeLorean before we spoiler can we talk about pistol-whip well we're not gonna spoiler okay let's talk about pistols I beat a guy I beat levels on hard last night first time a single gun single gun no modifiers no modifiers I set up a mixed reality studio in the in the house this weekend to film it so i streamed i streamed some pistol whip and I beat the first song on hard and it feels like a major videogame accomplishment how he resides there look I've been playing every day I've been working out I got a second battery pack for the for the vibe wireless man so yeah I keep um I keep breaking things on my coffee table no well yeah don't play me of the coffee table because this is the problem is it's just it's difficult to find an area open enough in my in my house because even in my office at home where I have I know I can even push the coffee table all the way over I've been breaking things ducking so you don't have a backyard right never like a little deck we'd go up on the roof which is seems ill-advised that's not that seems very odd but yeah you could go to the park after dusk no oh no no do you want it sorry that's way too vulnerable for me to put on something that it's my ability to see and hear have a minder I think you got that somebody would sounds even worse he's gone out in the backyard and it's awesome because you have a ton of space yeah and yeah we could do it we could do a party where we you know yes own set up that's right you're playing on so I tried a few levels on hard I've I've gotten through most of them in normal which actually that animal-powered felt like an achievement because like are you afraid on normal level you is a real ass kicker yeah yeah delightful ass kicker and frankly I tried two guns mm-hmm wait you more awesome or two guns feels more awesome and less awesome like way harder it's but also is hard in a weird way yes yeah there are aspects look the two and four shot dudes mm-hmm are trivial with two guns I find I'm using the two guns for like left left arm left side right side I am too but woe betide you if you miss one yeah well you don't realize it because as you're going they're gonna shoot you in the back of the head no yeah that's um yeah it turns out you don't have eyes back there and you're gonna get shot the thing I've tried lately is Deadeye which means he turns the auto aim off mm-hmm but it also is much more forgiving on the beat and the and the gritty scoring so like you get way more 200 points --is right but you also have to shoot like four or five shots to actually land one even on the single shot guys what what is your act but when you had auto aim turned on what is this yeah I'm hitting 80 pretty consistent yeah I think it's it gives me a unrealistic expectation to I'd ever do paintball although the legwork will prep you because a lot of paintball is catching this is just straight lunges for me I'm like I assume the like the three-point stance position with do feet ready to go down on the third if I there's a lot of butt out yeah yeah I also end up doing a lot of like rotating the whole top half of my body on a kind of a regular basis so that you have it they have a chance to aim and then miss me as I'm yeah exactly well you're telling it straight me own business I'm finding the game to be really really delightful yeah I just I can't get enough of it I'm I'm I I expected to kind of be where we're now by now but I'm just I'm I've got the patterns so locked down on the on the levels that I played a lot that I'm I'm just like it's just muscle memory where the where the bullets go now I'm particularly fond of the ones where dudes show up in multiples way far away and you can but you know I there's a couple places on the hard levels' where it will drop like six or eight guys all at one time and you just have to better and it's so satisfiying no two things before we get to men DeLorean one I heard you both saw at least Episode four of Watchmen which is last week's episode yes ladies for women with the with the Vietnamese actress from yeah she's amazing confirmed yes she's amazing right she's incredible and the scene where it's just her Jean smart and Regina King sparring in her her atrium right here garden it is an incredible scene wonderful all three of those actresses bringing so much wonderful meat to the scene yeah III would say that I haven't seen episode five yet but episode 4 are like two of the best episodes most maybe not best but most dense richest episodes of TV I think I've ever seen in three three it felt like well we talked about this last yeah three feels like old Alan Moore writing it feels like you know like the real thing and I think it feels very much like a damon lindelof show not yeah and i know a lot of people love her it's a love-hate relationship with Damon's work but lost and left overs are all about people who are dealing with trauma and the support groups they find and the ways they deal with it in the aftermath of some big incident this show is 100% set yeah it's a no brainer like it makes so much sense why he was tapped to write this because I see echoes of the leftovers everywhere yeah well I so I went back and listened to the podcast with him and Craig Mazin that you mentioned last week and the first episode the only episode right now is about episodes one through three and it's as I was listening to a two things struck me one is that it's really weird to have direct feedback from the artist about the artists intent on a watchman project fascinating just like yeah I mean the supplemental stuff that's at the end of the comics sure like is his way of providing that I think you know the the fake biography and and the the pirate the pirate story all does a little off very clearly says there was a time when he was watching the news and watching what's happening in Charlottesville yeah and also reading tenacity coats between the world and me and those were direct inspirations writing the show yeah he explicitly says look I looked at what the what was the major trauma for America in the 80s with Alan Moore in The Watchmen it was the impending threat of nuclear doom what is the what is the impending threat now and he's watching Charlottesville on TV he's like oh the white supremacist start wearing masks anymore that's scary right a lot of people where minded people wear masks yeah fascinating back to it but but yeah it's a it's a it is it is so I did I never really got into lost I watched most of the first season and kind of was like I don't think they know where they're going with this turns out very maybe they didn't yeah I bounced off of leftovers in the first season just because I had too much other stuff going on I I think I'm gonna go back and watch it now yeah because I I'm just this the richness of this world it's every character in this world even even like the secondary and tertiary character is like like Angela's husband and and the kids and and these other people like they all have they each have their story yeah and they're each of the actors is being given a lot of room to bring something real and what feels like very real and genuine to each of the roles and by the way Virginia Kings husband is such a ringer for playing a young dealt Delroy window hmm is an actor you've seen in a million things I his favorite role is in a Mamet film I love called heist with Gene Hackman Delroy Lindo literally he's almost a hats that guy fantastic african-american actor and it's not just that Regina King's husband looks like him but that they also have some similar acting mannerisms that I find there's some commonality so there's this I keep on thinking that he's Delroy Lindo son well you know he previously his big break was he was a villain in one of the villains in Aquaman he was Black Manta oh that's right I knew I'd seen him and you know he's cast in the new matrix film as rumored young Morpheus the Morpheus stories I have such high hopes for the new matrix I mean I remember having high hopes for Matrix sequels here's my reason for having high hopes they shot those two sequels together yeah which is in general in film history not a high percentage I think Lord of the Rings got it right but I'd better back to the future was a and this one was the matrix was definitely a yet however all eight scripts for Anna matrix are better than the second and third Matrix films so I still stand by the fact if you take the second and third Matrix films and cut them down to one film I think there's probably a good like if they if they were two and a half hours of film that I think this probably a good film they're probably right you're probably right we got to get Topher Grace to cut it together yeah or Joseph gordon-levitt either one so okay on from The Watchmen at Disney Plus okay well shut up I didn't realize it was Lou Gossett jr. was the wheelchair guy yes yeah the old man of the wheelchair he plays so much older yeah I totally didn't you know this is also like it took me forever to realize that Shepherd book from serenity was Sergeant Harris from Barney Miller it took me a million years to discover that Louis Gossett jr. one of the like truly great actors of my generation right like not my generation he's older than you know but like I grew up with him in office and a gentleman and all these amazing yeah he's gotta get for the show yeah also did you likely long now clock in a yeah they're really well she's effectively bezel essentially yeah it's it's a it's just there's so much there like it's just I can watch each episode multiple times and find new 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access Disney Plus right now UK folk don't get it till next March I'm really sorry about that so we're gonna talk about it in a spoiler-free we may talk about some broad strokes but we will not talking about plot points we may talk about a character here at there for the most part a little more about the way that their approach to making the exact serialize television Star Wars the first thing you need to know is that it's really clear that this series seems to be going in a lone wolf and cub direction now famously Lucas based a lot of the plot of the original Star Wars films on Japanese samurai fortress including yeah hidden fortress is spectacular and clearly one of the main influences there are also ancillary characters in Kurosawa's films that c-3po and r2d2 are absolutely mirroring and Favreau who created a Mandalorian has seems to have taken the same direction so lone wolf and cub is this I think 14 movie series in Japan at god and it was also a television series in among well and yeah I'm bright and it is about a samurai traveling with a baby and it's half of it is paternal lovey seeds of the samurai taking care of this baby and the other half are blood curdling violence while he protects the baby and also in lone wolf and cub the baby carriage is itself a secret weapon with tons of like shooting darts and arrows and all sorts of booby traps it is it is actually a prop that Guillermo del Toro asked me to replicate at one point Wow and it's still a grand plan I have a whole folder of the reference images is something I'm considering okay I was doing a thing for criteria and I was interviewing G and the Peter Becker and G were talking yeah they were they were agreeing that if there was a criteria on movie I should replicate a prop from it was lone wolf in common I've got to go find these I've never seen this before and if Adrian then they'll be on the service yes and they're terrific they're wonderful they're much-loved deep series with the long history and that idea of pairing this kind of the stoic samurai war Ronin essentially who is in any other Kurosawa film you know unbeatable and without fault but pairing with a vulnerable child too they bring humanity out of them but also create these incredible slapstick comedic moments and in the fighting in the action sequences yeah that and what a perfect combo but I will also say that the slapstick and comedic parts of the fight scenes don't feel any less dangerous for our characters like sometimes you get slapstick like hobbits and barrels going through things that are so impossible there don't feel like there are any stay right in this even though there's some funny bits it's sort of shocking how much you're like damn this is he's in trouble and every modern action film that takes that trope of the hero unbeatable hero carrying a baby you know Clive Owen shooter we shoot him up sir and reporter that is yeah all pulled from the wolf and cub so so the thing that struck me about Mandalorian watching it having never seen will lone wolf and Cobb is it feels like it's pasted the first episode especially is paced like a serger like a spaghetti western yeah Oh Sergio not only pays a good shot yeah right so there's tons and that's the thing I love second episode even goes it leans heavier into that where shots feel very cinematically like Kurosawa shots from samurai films which are also borrowing heavily from the film iconography of John Ford and the early Western maker walls all of that was grabbed by Sergio Leone and then reinterpreted by Clint Eastwood this is this lovely so I've always been fascinated about the part of film history where the American Western goes to Japan gets reinterpreted and reinvents Japanese cinema under the aegis of Kurosawa and then Leone takes that and runs with that I hadn't fully n'cole kated I hadn't fully understood the way in which Star Wars plays into that whole place into that whole scene it's in the conversation and that yeah and the mandalorian it's correct can I talk about how great Pedro is Pedro Pascal Pedro Pascal as the mandalorian like I had thought that up till now the best I haven't seen your face performance to me is Karl Urban as Dredd already no doubt right like unbelievable amount of characterization for not showing a lot of your face this role with acting there even it's it's really impressive that the helmet which is clearly a super important character in the film is a impressive and beautiful piece of design and care her and Pedro Pascal brings a tremendous amount of character to this role given that you at least until this is one you don't see his face deep he's hidden in the mass moved from the man with no name to the man with no face hey it's the the thing that I love about this is they took something that's familiar you know the Boba Fett armor that has massive extended universe stories and I guess the Jango Fett if we want to talk about that mm-hmm but but they take this this concept of like the warrior caste and instead of like filling in a plot hole right which Star Wars has tended to do recently like hey do you want to know what the hell by the Kessel run was 12 parsecs we make a movie about that yeah or you want to find out how they got the stolen Death Star plans we got that one too I mean that was right yeah yeah what's out there stored in a VHS yeah but but the point is you don't like instead of when you have those stories where the holes are where you're filling in holes there's not as much the stakes aren't as high yes that's the one thing that I loved about the first episode is the stakes feel incredibly I like you know exactly where he is you you and it's about five years post Jedi am I correct I don't know exact time will ya post Jedi but yeah that it was a battle of yavin plus nine dinah Jedi is Battle of Yavin plus four and so this is about four or five years ago Jedi versus the Star Wars video game that came out last week which is five years after Revenge of the Sith oh wow between three and four between three in the whole I love this is not a spoiler cause you read about it I love Werner Herzog yes playing playing I saw more of him when what you want more than one he is so great I I love that guy you loved his films I loved his documentaries I especially love it when he plays villains you you told me hey go watch the first Jack Reacher skip the second one yeah Verner Hertzog best villain I think I've ever seen and like that thriller II kind of scares me today in his ruling Jack Reacher terrifying right yeah no he's he's spectacular the kind of tiger with DD as IG 11 yeah that's taken with duties I think it's ig-88 no different completely watching by IG 11 was a meg is a meg is one is a robot in the first episode understood and I an assassin droid an assassin droid delightful characterization for a droid the brand like three new things like the way his eyes move eyes yes moved the way he shoots and his almost Asperger's way of talking is super enjoyable like a terrific Crocs like in the way they you know they they take someone the literal interpretation and that plays off for great comedic effect I think he's also a director and one of the episodes that's another interesting thing even though it is a serialized story they have this vision for for you know at least one season they bring in different directors to interpret their vision well and even more than that I noticed that Favreau's co-creator directed the first episode of funny and yeah and wrote the first episode and Favreau wrote the second episode yes so clearly they're they're handing off and yes each time the show really takes time it takes time there's some lovely moments of silence which is episode you don't get the ever in Star Wars because everything is I mean unless you watch the Clone Wars stuff but in live-action Star Wars you don't get quiet moments and it is slower pace and I you know I noted that the second episode was only about 33 minutes yeah oh wow yeah and yet it didn't feel like that and so I was watching the scene where where where the Mandalorians going through a doorway and just slowly and thinking just as what you said what a lovely thing to have this pace slowed way down I think this potential future for Star Wars where there's it where it gets the universe gets a chance to breathe on television is very exciting what's the thing it hasn't gotten to do in in the the new trilogy the second trilogy that for you know it never breathes doesn't always have to be forced powers and lightsabers I mean there's still time I I was a little bummed out by the first episode like I I came straight from watching three or four episodes of Watchmen Rhys incredibly dense like richly layered like thing like a puzzle box kind of an up and or an onion done veal whatever metaphor you want and I came into the mandalorian I watch the first person no no and it's really pretty I think the characters I'd that performances are great little thin the second episode will make you very good I watch the second say you have okay the second episode like there's there's more narrative struggle there's there's the stakes are real now it's you there's it's bringing more to it it's giving me hope that it's gonna continue building alright yeah I I enjoyed I liked it look I'll keep watching I think we've all enjoyed it and we should not say any more in fear of spoiling too much yeah I do want to give a the highest recommendation and dizzy plus if you subscribe to the service it's that kind of lot mostly right you're getting it's great if you have kids cuz I'm gonna get all the Disney stuff all the computer or tennis shoes oh my god it's right Russell hold on this piece of content does not reflect current societal standards cookie so there's a there's a there's a disclaimer yes before I'd say let's see a third maybe of the back handle oh really yeah actually says I don't put it on the video it's only on the descriptions so like for example Peter Pan racist as hell really really bad the Star Wars has a smoking warning in it these depictions of drug use in Episode four and it's like I guess there is smoking strategy in the cantina yeah oh yeah I mean they're big company they gotta protect themselves well by the way the the beings that salacious crumb is one of don't get well treated so that's one of the things that I loved is like they said they set up this world and you know like that's the kind of Easter Egg I love it's not like filling it up law at all it's not like explaining the origin of some yeah it's just saying hey this is a probably mostly sentient being that these people are eating this is a bad place yeah and I get that because I remember salacious crumb but yeah you know the kwaka and monkey lizards don't know that is that what it's called exhalation scrum as a kawaki and yeah what's well so there's a lot back I'll all ever episode Simpson I think Disney has come up to say that starting next year they're gonna reformat the Simpsons before by not sixteen by nine because right now it's as it is broadcast on cable which is scaled up to HD but you could lose the top and the bottom you lose many jokes no way the the famous example is the tough be tough factory where the where the deaf pipe goes down and it branches three ways to go to Duff like Duff Duff dry he's the same pipe oh my god it's cut off right so but they're gonna they the fans have spoken you're going back but there are a couple ridge '''l shows one of which i think is worth the subscription alone it's called the Imagineering story it's a documentary series six-part two episodes are out right now directed by Leslie Iwerks who also directed the Pixar story documentary like yeah wondering and the she comes from a family of Imagineers and it is unprecedented access into Imagineering at the history you see there's footage archival footage from the 50s of Anaheim be it being orange groves and being bulldozed and then building the 20-foot mounds around the edge of the perimeter of Disneyland and then laying down the railroad track amazing Wow it's normally God the jungle River like even if you're out I know I mean a big fan of like being at Disneyland but the the Imagineering idea like look I'm not a fans just not anyway not not for you I get the crowds stuff yeah but the development of volume animatronics like yeah they have story it sounds great I came at you years about how Lincoln would spaz out lightning storms would cause all circuits to to break before debuted at the World's Fair I was like I was crying at the end of it it's it's so good Oh amazing I also want to give a shout out to His Dark Materials which is on HBO HBO so this is a television series that is recapitulation of the Philip Pullman books the Golden Compass the the amber spyglass and the subtle knife is it called the subtle knife is the golden compass the the creepy that's the no it was a movie with Nicole Kidman and Daniel Craig from a few years ago that was really good and well made Eva Green a tremendous cast it just didn't take off but one of the reasons that it's tough is that it's a very book it's a very dense trilogy of books with some amazing fantasy writing of a world that's close to ours but not quite it's the perfect form it's the perfect story for a long-form television show and I'm two episodes in the third episode came up last night I haven't watched that one yet but it's terrific lin-manuel Miranda's in it it's is a Texan beautiful yeah it's a beautifully made show and I'm really excited about where it's gonna go it's one of my favorite trilogies of fantasy no it's I love I love that we're talking about TV shows that are airing every week instead of getting dumped 25 at a time or 10 at a time or whatever so that you hammer through them as fast as possible and have no time to think about you know who else watches TV and doesn't bench it is Wil Wheaton ie let's it lets it gestate an episode and thinks about it for a few days just like you do I mean think about we're both old but think about like I think about the like I mentioned well we did somebody bring up TNG but like think about I think about that wait between best of both worlds part one and best of both worlds part two which was like May to August maybe hmm-hmm I spent that whole summer thinking wondering what what the hell there are they how was Picard gonna get out of this how are they gonna get a car out of the who shot mr. burns right right turns out it was Maggie thirty years old yeah yeah I'm stoked that I'm stoked that people are making TV that's not binge TV and that you want to think about some very exciting time all right I think that's a good place to wrap up we actually have a lot of exciting stuff going on this oh my god there's I got a juggle my head what we can talk about we did we have some nice chilling tells from the cave so I know we're approaching holiday season but Adam you got a chance to show off some of your very first projects things that people may have spotted in the background so those stories are gonna come out rolling this week I went to a model making convention in at the Westfield Mall in San Francisco over the weekend yeah small little a first year it's ever run for a gun demand Mecca and chat with food builders there and some of those videos room coming out soon awesome a lot of fun and this weekend is designer con I'll be down in Anaheim Wow back in Anaheim and it'll be three days if you're in the Southern California area it is more my favorite conventions of the year a lot of our friends of tests are gonna be there Melissa Inge oh it's gonna have a booth there too and sell some exclusive stuff Jason Freeney he's gonna be there shown signing his fingers you gotta look for bunches expect bunch of text messages and well tech pod this week we talked about autonomous cars so it's a huge topic like the technology is complicated so we really just got in at the at the top and talked about the different you hear about the levels right level 1 level 2 level 3 level 4 level 5 we explained how that stuff works and kind of what to look forward to and where things are going and blow there and how slow it's and how hard it is how 5 you know it turns out the robots may not be able to drive on ice yeah whatever yeah who knew yeah hey as a note I we've been talking a lot about VR because we've all been playing with the quest a lot and I am still seeking a certain kind of experience which I may just have to shoot myself film myself and that is I would love to just stand in a open space and take it in and I have yet I'm having trouble finding footage that it's like standing I'm standing at the shore of a mountain lake for like a five minutes meditating hearing it in so and hearing the sounds I don't want music I don't want to wander I just would like this sort of a quiet meditative space survive the vibe tutorial the lab thing has that but it's all photogrammetry spaces yeah and that might be what Adam what you want for you may be and it may be that I've got to spend a weekend traveling around with one of our rings around the Bay Area grabbing three to show people what I'm thinking now between peanuts you know and and because there's an aspect of when I'm standing there like I've said this before all these transition spaces in the games where you're kind of waiting for something to happen I'm finding those really lovely and I would love to just spend some more time in them yeah it's it's um it's well one of the things that's always striking is I think my VR room is a 10 by 10 foot right right so when I take the headset off it always feels really claustrophobic that God huge inflationary space into like oh I'm back in the house exactly it's a fun thing if you would see the mixed reality stuff I shot which it turns out the you guys did a great mixed reality video couple of a match let me Sylvia with the Adams Adams quest build but yeah I did the thing on the twitch channel last night so it's twitch.tv slash not that Will Smith alrighty okay and combine all other stuff at test calm and thanks so much for listening this week and we'll see you next time everyday\n"