**AMD's Chiplet-Based Approach to GPU Design**

In a recent development that has left many in the tech community intrigued, AMD has announced its plan to adopt a chiplet-based approach for its upcoming GPU cores. This approach involves breaking down the complex design of the GPU into smaller, more manageable pieces, known as chiplets. Each chiplet would contain a specific component or function of the GPU, such as the GPU core itself or memory controllers, and would be arranged on a single package with other chiplets. This approach is similar to what AMD has done with its Ryzen CPUs, where I/O and logic are on separate pieces of silicon arranged on a single package.

The benefits of this approach are numerous. For one, it allows for better yield in manufacturing, as individual chiplets can be tested and validated separately before being combined into a larger monolithic chip. This also reduces the risk of running out of physical space or reaching the limits of what lithography equipment can produce on a single silicon wafer. Additionally, this approach can help with pricing, as smaller chiplets are often less expensive to manufacture than large monolithic chips.

This announcement comes in the wake of both AMD and Intel unveiling new GPUs, including the Arc GPU series from Intel and the Radeon RX 6000 series from AMD. While neither company has made any official statements on their GPU designs, AMD's tweet about its chiplet-based approach suggests that it may be trying to one-up its competitors by announcing a revolutionary new design before they can.

**AMD's RX 6000 Series Video Cards See Significant Price Cuts**

In another development related to GPUs, AMD has announced that its RX 6000 series video cards are seeing significant price cuts compared to their original MSRPs. The RX 6900 XT, for example, is now priced at $700, which is a relatively modest discount considering the card's original MSRP was around $1,000.

While this news may be disappointing for those who were hoping for more dramatic reductions in pricing, it does offer some hope that AMD is trying to make its GPUs more competitive with Intel's Arc series. As AMD continues to compete with Intel and Nvidia for market share, the company will likely need to find ways to reduce prices or increase performance to stay ahead of its competitors.

**Used PCs are Changing the Landscape of GPU Sales**

A new development in the world of GPU sales is that used PCs are becoming increasingly popular among consumers. This trend has been driven by the availability of high-performance GPUs on eBay and other online marketplaces, which have made it possible for people to buy used GPUs at a fraction of their original price.

As a result, AMD, Intel, and Nvidia are starting to feel the pressure of competition from used PCs. While this is certainly not a new phenomenon - used parts have been around for years - the rise of online marketplaces has made it easier than ever for people to buy and sell used GPUs. As a result, companies will need to find ways to respond to this trend and offer their own GPUs at competitive prices.

**Motherboard Manufacturers to Support AMD's Expo Memory Profiles**

In another development related to memory technology, motherboard manufacturers have announced that they will support AMD's Expo memory profiles on Intel Z690, B660, and upcoming Z790 boards. Expo is AMD's version of XMP, a feature that allows users to adjust memory timings and clock speeds to optimize performance.

This news comes as a reminder that memory manufacturers already support XMP on AMD boards, so it's not entirely new territory for consumers. However, the fact that motherboard manufacturers are starting to adopt Expo as well suggests that it could become a widely supported feature in the future. As the use of Expo and XMP continues to grow, it will be interesting to see how memory manufacturers respond to the demand for these features.

**EK Water Blocks Launches New Pump Block Combo**

In a related development to the world of PC hardware, EK Water Blocks has launched a new pump block combo that is designed specifically for LGA 1700 motherboards. The combo includes a mini reservoir for Intel's 12th and 13th gen CPUs and features EK's exact Mount system, which allows users to mount the water block on the back of their motherboard.

The pump block combo is available for pre-order and comes with a nickel and Plexi glass finish, which is described as "a beautiful, unique look". The combo also includes fill ports, multiple outlets, and support for both horizontal and vertical orientations. As always, EK's high-quality water blocks are designed to provide excellent cooling performance and aesthetics.

**Volts Mod Mats in Stock**

Finally, Gamers Access has announced that their large volt mod mats are now in stock and shipping. These mats are designed to cover entire tables, providing a full work surface for building PCs. As more people get into PC building, the need for good workspace is becoming increasingly important. The Volts mod mat is a great solution for this problem, offering a convenient and easy-to-clean workspace that will make building PCs a joy.

As always, you can find Gamers Access's large volt mod mats in stock on their website or through other retailers. With this product now available, it seems like the world of PC hardware is going to be an exciting place to be over the next few months!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone welcome back to a very busy Hardware news recap of the week and this one we'll be talking about fractal basically recalling some of its liquid coolers with the same type of problem that MSI and Arctic have both faced in the past year now we'll also be going over newegg's very creative combos where it's trying to dump the ddr4 memory that it has by comboing it with x670 motherboards as a reminder x670 is literally ddr5 only it's not even like Alder Lake where it's one of the other maybe it's it's only ddr5 good job Newegg additionally we'll be going over the power supply sort of misinformation chaos that's out there right now about the RTX 40 series plugs and uh some other topics like well AMD versus Gamers Nexus in an extreme overclocking live stream before that this video is brought to you by Liam Lee's Land cool 3 case the lanco 3 has a fully meshed front good airflow that did well on our thermal testing earlier this year and it's one of the most mechanically advanced cases we've ever reviewed the land cool 3 balance is the ease of installation features thermal performance and cable management in a competitive case Market learn more at the link in the description below so first just a notice that we're going to be streaming with two people from AMD it'll be Bill and Ahmed they're from that extreme overclocking team over at AMD they did all the xoc demonstrations for the Press previously we had a video with them and at the time since meeting them we did a live stream on Gian just solo just me working on 7950 action first time with liquid nitrogen and next and these Bill and on it from the Xbox C team will be flying out to do sort of a versus realistically it's going to be more of just an ass kicking but it's going to be a very educational one I think the way we're actually probably going to do it is they're going to drive the xoc stuff I'm going to ask a lot of questions and Bridge sort of the audience uh and the xoc team to so we can all learn something and get some really high clocks hopefully on 7950 axes so that's gonna be a lot of fun the stream will be on the sixth we don't have a time yet so uh you'll just have to kind of look out for the tweets and things like that we don't normally schedule times for these we like to just pop them up whenever we're ready to go because it makes a little more fun that way and less stressful trying to force it to work if it's not quite going to work in time for an arbitrary start time so the sixth will be when we're streaming with them super chats with that one we're doing differently than normally we're not going to read every single one of them uh we are going to read them at random so I mean it's just we have guests here and uh the goal is to work with them to make really cool content on overclocking and so the super chats this time I'll have to take a back seat but feel free to send in chats super chats whatever and we'll pass them on to Bill and Ahmed as we're doing the OC stuff anyway just want to give you all a heads up on that it's coming up fast and it'll be a lot of fun so check it out and uh worst case scenario if we have an issue with the stream system or something we'll just make a video and upload that instead but either way we've got some really cool content coming up with AMD soon up next everyone's favorite topic Newegg Newegg of course famous for selling motherboards knowingly broken from vendors who also knew that they were broken in this weird RMA centipede or just the bad product recirculates until eventually it ends up getting shot onto a consumer Newegg is just so passionate about selling hardware and reducing E-Waste by making sure that old Hardware gets into the hands of consumers out there that it's actually bundling that old Hardware with things that the old Hardware is not compatible with namely x670 motherboards and ddr4 not ddr5 for instance that time of filming at least there's a fantastic deal on an ASRock x670e lightning motherboard coupled with 16 gigabytes of ddr4 4000 memory so the speed is high enough that at a glance you might actually miss that it's not even ddr5 but it's a rift Jaws kit which has been around for ages now the discount at a whopping at 15 ensures that you get a kit of memory that literally won't even physically fit into the motherboard Slots fun fact our large volt mod mats have DDR pin outs on them that are to scale so if for some reason you add up with one of these and there's no label and you're really not sure about it then you can go ahead and check it on our mod mat available on store.gamersaccess.net now Newegg also has some diversity of board vendors here they have gigabyte boards for example featuring the same rip Jaws kit which Newegg is apparently struggling so hard to offload that it rather misleadingly sell Ram to users who won't even think to double check its compatibility and to be clear here this is driven by Newegg it's not just the motherboard vendors and the ram vendor who sign off on all of it Newegg is sort of at the helm of this particular ship although it is steering it straight into an ice well more of a mountain really it's like a large uh impervious object that is very clear to everyone else but some reason they can't see it anyway that's what they're steering it into hopefully that's clear enough uh so Newegg at this point it's most defensible position here is they could say well but there's nothing wrong with buying x670 and ddr4 separately because you might want both of them and you might want 15 off so what's the problem and obviously the answer is that if you are in a position like Newegg is where your only advantage over say Amazon is that people trust that perhaps Newegg has done some curation of the retail selection out there to help get the consumer two things that work together well you have a little bit of an onus or responsibility to to make sure those parts work because that's what the customers are expecting they expect that if you sell DDR bundled with the motherboard they work together because that's the most clear thing to expect now this isn't the first time Newegg has used its combo system to dump unwanted and incompatible inventory on people for example previously when we were covering the exploding gigabyte power supplies that were eventually recalled uh Newegg bundled those with video cards and this was at the peak of the GPU shortage so if you wanted your precious video card you had to buy basically an IED with it and then not use it leave it on your shelf and hopefully just just have have it disposed of safely as you should anyway the moral of the story here is that this is just this is genuinely sad because Newegg was the only place I bought hardware for all of my original first system builds I think that's true for a lot of people in the audience uh especially people who've been building for for upwards of a couple decades now and to see that it's sort of crumbling like this in such a fantastically slow motioned train wreck it's it's just it's just sort of depressing and hopefully no I can get the train back on the tracks but that thus far we haven't been impressed they've been trying hesitating there because that's just what they told us but uh at least there's the the promise of trying which if you can't actually try I guess is the next best thing all right Corsair power supplies are compatible with RTX 40 cards big surprise of course they're basically put out a press release where it said hey all the power supplies we have that are of sufficient wattage to power an RTX 40 series card is compatible with an RTX 40 series card and if that seems like a pointless thing to say the reason Corsair is saying it is because apparently and we missed this because we're buried in rise and stuff apparently there was a story going around about how you need pcie Gen 5 capable power supplies which barely even exist right now and apparently you need ATX 3.0 power supplies to run a 40 series video card that is not true it is not even remotely close to True don't know why that would have been said at all because basically since the beginning we've known that the 12 pin connector on the 40 series cards can be adapted into multiple 8-bin connectors so anyway the 40 series cards will work with ATX 2.0 power supplies this is not a surprise to anyone and uh or at least it shouldn't be and it's because you can adapt stuff like always as for what's unique to corsair's approach here they also took the opportunity to talk about that so they have their own adapter cable coming up it converts between the 12 plus 4 so it's a 12v hpwr is what the connector is called used on the 40 series to just two eight pins on the power supply as long as the power supply is using corsair's Type 4 pin out Corsair says that this cable can support the full 600 watts the connector is rated for with some caveats for example 600 watts requires a 1200 watt or higher power supply 450 requires 1000 watt power supply and 300 requires a 750 watt power supply and Corsair also has a page for checking compatibility they're selling the new cable for 20 bucks right now it's out of stock at the time of writing though and that's sort of all there is to say here this got lumped in with the story we reported on previously about the melting 12-pin connectors which is an issue that Nvidia found early in testing and it informed the rest of the pcie ecosystem via PCI Sig which sent out an email and basically said hey design your cables properly and you can avoid this issue the main issues were things like hard bends they also talked about connection Cycles one error there from my own segment that I'll correct from last week or two was talking about the connection Cycles so I believe the PCI Sig report talked about a 30 to 40 connection cycle rating or something like that I made an offhand comment about how that seemed low because the last time we looked at connection Cycles it was in the thousands so that we have now learned thank you to some of our viewers is not correct because power cables specifically are the ones that are rated in the lower dozens so closer to that 30 to 40 marker although it seems not obvious to us just because we socket cables all day and they don't break but we use 400 power slides for a test benches so that's probably why anyway the part where I got the high hundreds to thousands number was from an old factory tour with a factory that specializes in making and selling cables so that contributes to it and then also they were making USB cables and I didn't think to check my information from seven years ago so anyway small error but we wanted to at least correct it just to make sure the right information is out there as for the rest of that story just to be completely clear there was nothing wrong on the report because we were going off of what PCI Sig said and basically reading their emails and discussing the events so anyway that's the news for that one fractal it has a cooler Recall now it's going the same route as Arctic where it has discovered the issue or at least its users haven't informed it and it's getting out ahead of that issue fractal contacted us it allowed us to conduct a brief q a with fractal about its Lumen series coolers which technically didn't use the word recall it seems that that word seems avoided this is not a safety issue so maybe that's why AI but the issue is that the coolers like many of the other liquid coolers in this past year that have had high profile failures build up Gunk and lead to improper Cooling and eventually just failure to work as a product now this is unfortunate timing for liquid coolers because they've really been pretty solid overall and it's just right now right when we really need liquid coolers to be on it and and doing what they're supposed to do because the power consumption's so high on CPUs we've gotten some of those high profile failures but by and large they still seem to be mostly okay so Arctic has fixed its issue we have a whole separate video on that um fractal is in the process of fixing it and there's a few things that they want you to know first of all this is for the Lumen all-in-one coolers basically there's a defect or the solder used in the aluminum radiator in combination with impurities during manufacturing are leading to propylene glycol to turn into a sediment that clogs the fins of the CPU block now we've talked about this in the past so some of the things that have caused failures in aios previously like enermaxes were related to water quality water purities and what was in the water when they filled the loop now we've also seen failures where the radiator is just filled with a bunch of garbage uh basically Factory dust and all the metal working dust before they fill the loop without flushing it what most companies do when they don't screw this up is they will have a whole process we show this in our deep cool factory tour and our Cooler Master factory tour where they Purge the loop and cycle water through it a few times and then dump that water before eventually filling it with the propylene glycol and distilled water mixture because that gets all of that sort of factory dust out of there that was for water quality that just comes down to the stores fractal like many of the other companies that aren't gargantuan like Cooler Master is using third-party manufacturing which means that even though it may be specifying a certain type of material in the solder for the radiator or in the loop if it's not there basically policing the usage of those resources every single day then that's how this type of thing happens we asked fractal if users would be able to repair this on their own like arctics and fractal told Gamers and access the following quote unfortunately due to the design of the Lumen they are not user serviceable the current proposals are for the old units to be discarded and replaced the process for how this will happen is still being determined the company noted to us that it will be replacing all units for users who purchased one we asked if all units are affected and fractal noted that it isn't sure but that all serial numbers are eligible for a replacement it told us that it's repaired products will have clear distinctions on the product box and a new part number and that'll make it clear that it's a fixed unit and not one of the previous ones fractal also told us that its next steps are to get the products out of the channel it said quote the current approach is to get word out via social media our website and Media Partners like Gamers and access to explain the issues so customers are aware of how and when to contact us the primary Avenue for information and ticketing will be on our website because we can keep information flowing there so it's always up to date and accurate with what we know this also helps avoid retailers getting bombarded with return requests that they will need to refer to us anyway we asked if there are any leaked concerns here and faculty lists it's not aware of any at this time a key choice of words there the only reason that would happen is if it builds up like basically a gas or some pressure inside of the loop that causes just enough of a seal to open at the cold plate connecting to the pump lock housing that water can leak out uh we've only seen that once and it was on an intermax failure so uh ever since then it's been something I asked these companies when this type of problem is detected but we have never seen it since then so uh fractal is taking a similar approach to Arctic they're replacing everything they're doing the right thing and they are getting the ball rolling on just make sure people are informed they've already pulled back all the products from the channels from retailers and retailers who they have direct contact with anyway or at least indirect contact and the next step is just for you to get a replacement similar to Arctic these failures are not anything like a safety hazard like a fire hazard at least that we've been told it's really just Gunk build up in the block so we tried to make this clear last time too where this is the type of thing where at least according to fractal you can continue to use your Lumen cooler if it's still working today it's just that you're going to want to monitor the temperature over time and as it starts to hit sort of temperatures where you're throttling you need to replace it at that point so uh if you want to monitor temperatures we would recommend Hardware info 64 as a free version for end users where you can get really good computer Health monitoring for determining if there is in fact a problem up next a brief Horizon 7000 separate videos we did an xrc stream as well but there's still a ton more we want to do it's just that we're getting basically flooded with GPU news at the same time as the CPU stuff and we actually can't keep up right now so we're having to make decisions on what videos to even edit which is cool but different it's not what we've normally dealt with the last few years so stuff we want to follow up on I don't know when or if we'll get to it we've looked into undervolting a little bit in the lab but we haven't gotten anywhere we can publish stuff yet we've looked at additional overclocking I was able to run 5.3 gigahertz all core on a 7950x with a water cooler at uh 1.24 volts or something which is really cool and that as in low voltage and we've also started looking into eco mode but right now all of that is basically getting shelved as we move into GPU testing except we've already done all of our pressure tests risers and 7000 so we took our specialized contact paper and our Niche traceable scanner and then we've put together some pressure maps that we're writing up and it's really cool information and data that we have uh functionally a picture of what it looks like when you clamp down a cooler multiple different types on top of the CPU and the IHS so we can look at how the ilm or the loading mechanism works for Horizon and M5 anyway really excited about that I don't know when exactly it's going to be up because again GPS are going to take priority at the moment but anyway that's stuff to look forward to on ryzen 7000 just wanted to update you all that there's a lot of really cool follow-up content we want to do we have the ideas we've seen your requests it's just basically uh a a staff power issue at this point of do we have enough people available or enough time available to do all of it okay z790 dark and classified evj still in the game not in gpus they got out right on time though uh because it's chaos now instead it's focusing on motherboards and it started by showing its z790 dark and classified boards which are Kingpin model boards or at least one of them and these are for Raptor lake or the 13th series of Intel's core architecture processors uh like the 3900k that we just talked about recently in a different news Roundup the Kingpin dark board features a 90 degree rotated socket and memory layout that lands the 2ddr5 slots at the top edge of the board it has only one slot perm memory Channel which helps with achieving maximum frequency when you're at the limits of a stable overclock the power connectors are all together on the right edge of the board and are angled 90 degrees so they end up facing towards the edge rather than up and away from the board this helps cable routing when on a test bench for extreme overclocking and can lead to a cleaner look when installed in certain cases especially like the height y60 for example the Kingpin dark has two pcie Gen 5 slots which automatically switch which one is assigned with all 16 Lanes depending on where you have the card installed that way you can run a video card in either position during overclocking sessions for maximum compatibility and if cards are installed in both slots they run out by eight of course with the current upcoming generation at least the most you're going to get is buy eight and two slots with 390 TI's but the 490s at this point already known to not support Envy link so you will not be running two of those at least not linked together maybe not at all because that would take like 10 slots so uh anyway the EVGA dark boards have typically been the very peak of sort of features performance and price as a result from EVGA and this one looks no different it's running a 14 layer PCB so it's a thick one and it has some additional features power reset buttons LED readouts voltage monitoring points things like that we've enjoyed working with the dark boards for extreme overclocking we've done it and if you're running a more consumer focused build it's total Overkill but uh yeah if you got the money to burn and you're really interested in some Enthusiast stuff like overclocking even without ln2 it might be worth looking into now additionally EVGA announced the z790 classified which is a step down from the dark and it brings back the giant red stamp right across it lots of the same features are carried over here with key differences being four memory slots instead of two a slightly smaller vrm at 19 phases but still huge and a different pcie slot layout EVGA is also bringing support for its Elite X1 software to these boards which you can use for uh basically overclocking within the OS voltage frequency all that stuff we don't have pricing on these uh we are going to try and get some in there so we can do some Raptor like overclocking with the 3900k once they are available so uh I'm personally having a lot of fun with the ln2 stuff it's been a few years since we've really been able to do it I know a lot of people like to make the comments of but that's not a real user scenario but it's really fun and so we're looking forward to doing more of it with now ryzen 7000 and Intel being able to go head to head at the same time next one ryzen 7000 D lid and direct dye news this one from der Bauer extreme overclock or their Bower is already working hard at bringing a d lid tool and direct die for aim for ryzen 7000 to the market they're about recently posted a video on his YouTube channel explained the process of prototyping and testing the products the d-lit tool works by clamping the CPU between two specially shaped blocks of metal that are allowed to slide back and forth by just a few millimeters this process causes metal fatigue in the relatively soft solder Tim between the IHS and the die eventually that breaks the bond we've worked with some of the deer Bauer dealing tools and past but it's always been for Intel yes even the AMD ones we've deleted we did those with a Razer Blade not advisable but with the am5 IHS remember that this is a particularly challenging one to manually deal with uh plus it's got solder in it so not as easy as say like one of the older apus that was running they're all paste once the IHS is removed the remaining solder and silicone adhesive has to be removed as well it's very important to take that silicone adhesive off because it can create an air gap if it's not reapplied correctly or on the same spot if you were to re-lid the ihsa with liquid metal or something it's always been on the actually the biggest keys to relating with liquid metal has not been just the liquid metal it's been getting that lid as flat as possible against the die so that's a key part that's often left out is the importance of removing that adhesive now amd's socket actuator mechanism or Sam but not smart access memory is made to interface with the eye chess to hold the CPU down in the socket but without the IHS that no longer works so there Bauer has been developing a direct diaphragm that holds the CPU in place and exposes the dot thermal Grizzly has sold a few direct diaphragms of the past for LGA sockets and even one of our team members has been using an LGA 2066 frame since 2018. the power goes on to explain several nuances of the design process and the pros and cons you can check out his video for all of that he also ran cinebench for a quick thermal test not sustained steady state but at a glance it gives you an idea of where things are falling and showed about a 20 degree reduction a couple things to note here so first of all we want to look at these and we are expecting to get some of them as soon as he's got either pre-production models ready or we'll buy them onto the retail online and additionally if you're doing direct iframe even though it's really cool it's a fun Enthusiast thing to do you will get an improvement you have to remember that there is risk involved there's risk involved in delighting even with a tool and then there's also risk involved in direct eye because if you get the pressure on and you really over torque whatever cooler you're putting on it you can crack the Silicon die pretty uncommon the diaphragms are supposed to help prevent some of that with support but feasibly you could do it if you really um just didn't pay good attention to how you're installing a cooler next one AMD rampant rdna 3 details we already know that AMD will be announcing rdna3 on November 3rd it previously announced this announcement and now it's re-announcing the announcement of that announcement because it has more things to announce and one of those is that rdna3 will be the first now officially known consumer graphics card with multi-chip modules or an MCM design where it you can think of it sort of as a chiplet-based approach in that sense now this is for the actual GPU core it's not just for hbm and the GPU there have been cards with multiple chips on the package before but for Consumer at least or anything that I'm aware of immediately all of that was monolithic maybe with hbm at the side the approach is similar to what AMD has done with its ryzen CPUs where I O and logic are on separate pieces of silicon arranged on a single package making smaller chiplets like this gets way better yield than manufacturing as compared to a large monolithic chip and in theory it helps with better pricing it also reduces the risk that you're at the reticle limit or the literal physical limit of what the lithography equipment can produce for silicon if you're running like the big dye gpus or something at this time that's really all the information we have it came from a tweet it's official it's from AMD and it's a way to grab a little bit of attention off the back of both Arc and Nvidia announcing fans where Andy's going like hey hey we were we were there beforehandal we hey hey guys additionally AMD pointed out in a blog post that it's our DNA 2 based rx6000 series video cards are seeing a significant retail price cut versus MSRP stand out among these is the RX 6900 XT which is now 700 and that's a actually compared to previous retail price in a decent price of course in light of the new stuff we'll see we'll see how it scales we want to see more than a one percent for one dollar change in performance because then as we've said in the past that stagnation not Improvement and it can't just be against the old prices now both companies are starting to face competition from used cars on the market as well all three companies account Intel and uh it's gonna it's really interesting right now the fact that Andy thought it was enough to go out and tweet this even though this event was already announced I I think may only be happening because Intel is in the mix with Nvidia where they're all starting to pressure each other where they're they're worried about like missing the window of opportunity and that's great that's fantastic for consumers that's why we need to see Intel continue with The Arc and AMD obviously continue to keep fighting with radio next one motherboard manufacturers have announced that they will support amd's Expo memory profiles on Intel z690 b660 and the upcoming z790 board as a reminder Expo is amd's version of storing specially tuned memory settings on ddr5 for compatibility with am5 manufacturers have already been doing the inverse for a long time by supporting XMP on AMD boards so let's just go in both directions now you choose whichever one's working better for you and the Expo takes a little bit more space on the dims persistent memory and uh then XMP that is and it stores additional timings like T5 for example and this could pose a small challenge for memory manufacturers looking to support both X and P and Expo on one memory kit overall it's a good move for cross compatibility finally EK water blocks has a new pump block combo that it's launching for LGA 1700 that's the Intel socket it has a mini reservoir for Intel 12 and 13th gen right on the LGA 1700 socket and this is called the EK Quantum velocity squared DDC 4.2 pwm drgb space Dash space 1700. it's available for pre-order and a nickel and Plexi glass finish for 340. the final package ends up being large for a water block it eliminates though the need for a separate pump and res in a custom Loop which is especially relevant for the small form factor crowd the block has inlets Outlets it has fill ports and multiple places to cover both horizontal and vertical orientations and as another quality of life feature mounting is handled entirely on the back of the motherboard via ek's exact Mount system which it says is easy to use but we haven't used it this has been done before last time was with the that we know it was with the Swift Tech apogee Drive 2 uh also Barrow has done some stuff but anyway that's it for the news this week thanks for watching as always you can subscribe for more go to store gamersaccess.net tops out directly by grabbing one of the large volt mod mats they are in stock and shipping now these services are awesome because they basically cover your entire table so you have a full work surface for building a PC and there's gonna be a lot of PC Building coming up soon you'd also go to patreon.com Gamers Nexus to help fund some of our testing and check back for all the reviews and other coverage this week as well as the AMD xoc stream we'll see you all next timehey everyone welcome back to a very busy Hardware news recap of the week and this one we'll be talking about fractal basically recalling some of its liquid coolers with the same type of problem that MSI and Arctic have both faced in the past year now we'll also be going over newegg's very creative combos where it's trying to dump the ddr4 memory that it has by comboing it with x670 motherboards as a reminder x670 is literally ddr5 only it's not even like Alder Lake where it's one of the other maybe it's it's only ddr5 good job Newegg additionally we'll be going over the power supply sort of misinformation chaos that's out there right now about the RTX 40 series plugs and uh some other topics like well AMD versus Gamers Nexus in an extreme overclocking live stream before that this video is brought to you by Liam Lee's Land cool 3 case the lanco 3 has a fully meshed front good airflow that did well on our thermal testing earlier this year and it's one of the most mechanically advanced cases we've ever reviewed the land cool 3 balance is the ease of installation features thermal performance and cable management in a competitive case Market learn more at the link in the description below so first just a notice that we're going to be streaming with two people from AMD it'll be Bill and Ahmed they're from that extreme overclocking team over at AMD they did all the xoc demonstrations for the Press previously we had a video with them and at the time since meeting them we did a live stream on Gian just solo just me working on 7950 action first time with liquid nitrogen and next and these Bill and on it from the Xbox C team will be flying out to do sort of a versus realistically it's going to be more of just an ass kicking but it's going to be a very educational one I think the way we're actually probably going to do it is they're going to drive the xoc stuff I'm going to ask a lot of questions and Bridge sort of the audience uh and the xoc team to so we can all learn something and get some really high clocks hopefully on 7950 axes so that's gonna be a lot of fun the stream will be on the sixth we don't have a time yet so uh you'll just have to kind of look out for the tweets and things like that we don't normally schedule times for these we like to just pop them up whenever we're ready to go because it makes a little more fun that way and less stressful trying to force it to work if it's not quite going to work in time for an arbitrary start time so the sixth will be when we're streaming with them super chats with that one we're doing differently than normally we're not going to read every single one of them uh we are going to read them at random so I mean it's just we have guests here and uh the goal is to work with them to make really cool content on overclocking and so the super chats this time I'll have to take a back seat but feel free to send in chats super chats whatever and we'll pass them on to Bill and Ahmed as we're doing the OC stuff anyway just want to give you all a heads up on that it's coming up fast and it'll be a lot of fun so check it out and uh worst case scenario if we have an issue with the stream system or something we'll just make a video and upload that instead but either way we've got some really cool content coming up with AMD soon up next everyone's favorite topic Newegg Newegg of course famous for selling motherboards knowingly broken from vendors who also knew that they were broken in this weird RMA centipede or just the bad product recirculates until eventually it ends up getting shot onto a consumer Newegg is just so passionate about selling hardware and reducing E-Waste by making sure that old Hardware gets into the hands of consumers out there that it's actually bundling that old Hardware with things that the old Hardware is not compatible with namely x670 motherboards and ddr4 not ddr5 for instance that time of filming at least there's a fantastic deal on an ASRock x670e lightning motherboard coupled with 16 gigabytes of ddr4 4000 memory so the speed is high enough that at a glance you might actually miss that it's not even ddr5 but it's a rift Jaws kit which has been around for ages now the discount at a whopping at 15 ensures that you get a kit of memory that literally won't even physically fit into the motherboard Slots fun fact our large volt mod mats have DDR pin outs on them that are to scale so if for some reason you add up with one of these and there's no label and you're really not sure about it then you can go ahead and check it on our mod mat available on store.gamersaccess.net now Newegg also has some diversity of board vendors here they have gigabyte boards for example featuring the same rip Jaws kit which Newegg is apparently struggling so hard to offload that it rather misleadingly sell Ram to users who won't even think to double check its compatibility and to be clear here this is driven by Newegg it's not just the motherboard vendors and the ram vendor who sign off on all of it Newegg is sort of at the helm of this particular ship although it is steering it straight into an ice well more of a mountain really it's like a large uh impervious object that is very clear to everyone else but some reason they can't see it anyway that's what they're steering it into hopefully that's clear enough uh so Newegg at this point it's most defensible position here is they could say well but there's nothing wrong with buying x670 and ddr4 separately because you might want both of them and you might want 15 off so what's the problem and obviously the answer is that if you are in a position like Newegg is where your only advantage over say Amazon is that people trust that perhaps Newegg has done some curation of the retail selection out there to help get the consumer two things that work together well you have a little bit of an onus or responsibility to to make sure those parts work because that's what the customers are expecting they expect that if you sell DDR bundled with the motherboard they work together because that's the most clear thing to expect now this isn't the first time Newegg has used its combo system to dump unwanted and incompatible inventory on people for example previously when we were covering the exploding gigabyte power supplies that were eventually recalled uh Newegg bundled those with video cards and this was at the peak of the GPU shortage so if you wanted your precious video card you had to buy basically an IED with it and then not use it leave it on your shelf and hopefully just just have have it disposed of safely as you should anyway the moral of the story here is that this is just this is genuinely sad because Newegg was the only place I bought hardware for all of my original first system builds I think that's true for a lot of people in the audience uh especially people who've been building for for upwards of a couple decades now and to see that it's sort of crumbling like this in such a fantastically slow motioned train wreck it's it's just it's just sort of depressing and hopefully no I can get the train back on the tracks but that thus far we haven't been impressed they've been trying hesitating there because that's just what they told us but uh at least there's the the promise of trying which if you can't actually try I guess is the next best thing all right Corsair power supplies are compatible with RTX 40 cards big surprise of course they're basically put out a press release where it said hey all the power supplies we have that are of sufficient wattage to power an RTX 40 series card is compatible with an RTX 40 series card and if that seems like a pointless thing to say the reason Corsair is saying it is because apparently and we missed this because we're buried in rise and stuff apparently there was a story going around about how you need pcie Gen 5 capable power supplies which barely even exist right now and apparently you need ATX 3.0 power supplies to run a 40 series video card that is not true it is not even remotely close to True don't know why that would have been said at all because basically since the beginning we've known that the 12 pin connector on the 40 series cards can be adapted into multiple 8-bin connectors so anyway the 40 series cards will work with ATX 2.0 power supplies this is not a surprise to anyone and uh or at least it shouldn't be and it's because you can adapt stuff like always as for what's unique to corsair's approach here they also took the opportunity to talk about that so they have their own adapter cable coming up it converts between the 12 plus 4 so it's a 12v hpwr is what the connector is called used on the 40 series to just two eight pins on the power supply as long as the power supply is using corsair's Type 4 pin out Corsair says that this cable can support the full 600 watts the connector is rated for with some caveats for example 600 watts requires a 1200 watt or higher power supply 450 requires 1000 watt power supply and 300 requires a 750 watt power supply and Corsair also has a page for checking compatibility they're selling the new cable for 20 bucks right now it's out of stock at the time of writing though and that's sort of all there is to say here this got lumped in with the story we reported on previously about the melting 12-pin connectors which is an issue that Nvidia found early in testing and it informed the rest of the pcie ecosystem via PCI Sig which sent out an email and basically said hey design your cables properly and you can avoid this issue the main issues were things like hard bends they also talked about connection Cycles one error there from my own segment that I'll correct from last week or two was talking about the connection Cycles so I believe the PCI Sig report talked about a 30 to 40 connection cycle rating or something like that I made an offhand comment about how that seemed low because the last time we looked at connection Cycles it was in the thousands so that we have now learned thank you to some of our viewers is not correct because power cables specifically are the ones that are rated in the lower dozens so closer to that 30 to 40 marker although it seems not obvious to us just because we socket cables all day and they don't break but we use 400 power slides for a test benches so that's probably why anyway the part where I got the high hundreds to thousands number was from an old factory tour with a factory that specializes in making and selling cables so that contributes to it and then also they were making USB cables and I didn't think to check my information from seven years ago so anyway small error but we wanted to at least correct it just to make sure the right information is out there as for the rest of that story just to be completely clear there was nothing wrong on the report because we were going off of what PCI Sig said and basically reading their emails and discussing the events so anyway that's the news for that one fractal it has a cooler Recall now it's going the same route as Arctic where it has discovered the issue or at least its users haven't informed it and it's getting out ahead of that issue fractal contacted us it allowed us to conduct a brief q a with fractal about its Lumen series coolers which technically didn't use the word recall it seems that that word seems avoided this is not a safety issue so maybe that's why AI but the issue is that the coolers like many of the other liquid coolers in this past year that have had high profile failures build up Gunk and lead to improper Cooling and eventually just failure to work as a product now this is unfortunate timing for liquid coolers because they've really been pretty solid overall and it's just right now right when we really need liquid coolers to be on it and and doing what they're supposed to do because the power consumption's so high on CPUs we've gotten some of those high profile failures but by and large they still seem to be mostly okay so Arctic has fixed its issue we have a whole separate video on that um fractal is in the process of fixing it and there's a few things that they want you to know first of all this is for the Lumen all-in-one coolers basically there's a defect or the solder used in the aluminum radiator in combination with impurities during manufacturing are leading to propylene glycol to turn into a sediment that clogs the fins of the CPU block now we've talked about this in the past so some of the things that have caused failures in aios previously like enermaxes were related to water quality water purities and what was in the water when they filled the loop now we've also seen failures where the radiator is just filled with a bunch of garbage uh basically Factory dust and all the metal working dust before they fill the loop without flushing it what most companies do when they don't screw this up is they will have a whole process we show this in our deep cool factory tour and our Cooler Master factory tour where they Purge the loop and cycle water through it a few times and then dump that water before eventually filling it with the propylene glycol and distilled water mixture because that gets all of that sort of factory dust out of there that was for water quality that just comes down to the stores fractal like many of the other companies that aren't gargantuan like Cooler Master is using third-party manufacturing which means that even though it may be specifying a certain type of material in the solder for the radiator or in the loop if it's not there basically policing the usage of those resources every single day then that's how this type of thing happens we asked fractal if users would be able to repair this on their own like arctics and fractal told Gamers and access the following quote unfortunately due to the design of the Lumen they are not user serviceable the current proposals are for the old units to be discarded and replaced the process for how this will happen is still being determined the company noted to us that it will be replacing all units for users who purchased one we asked if all units are affected and fractal noted that it isn't sure but that all serial numbers are eligible for a replacement it told us that it's repaired products will have clear distinctions on the product box and a new part number and that'll make it clear that it's a fixed unit and not one of the previous ones fractal also told us that its next steps are to get the products out of the channel it said quote the current approach is to get word out via social media our website and Media Partners like Gamers and access to explain the issues so customers are aware of how and when to contact us the primary Avenue for information and ticketing will be on our website because we can keep information flowing there so it's always up to date and accurate with what we know this also helps avoid retailers getting bombarded with return requests that they will need to refer to us anyway we asked if there are any leaked concerns here and faculty lists it's not aware of any at this time a key choice of words there the only reason that would happen is if it builds up like basically a gas or some pressure inside of the loop that causes just enough of a seal to open at the cold plate connecting to the pump lock housing that water can leak out uh we've only seen that once and it was on an intermax failure so uh ever since then it's been something I asked these companies when this type of problem is detected but we have never seen it since then so uh fractal is taking a similar approach to Arctic they're replacing everything they're doing the right thing and they are getting the ball rolling on just make sure people are informed they've already pulled back all the products from the channels from retailers and retailers who they have direct contact with anyway or at least indirect contact and the next step is just for you to get a replacement similar to Arctic these failures are not anything like a safety hazard like a fire hazard at least that we've been told it's really just Gunk build up in the block so we tried to make this clear last time too where this is the type of thing where at least according to fractal you can continue to use your Lumen cooler if it's still working today it's just that you're going to want to monitor the temperature over time and as it starts to hit sort of temperatures where you're throttling you need to replace it at that point so uh if you want to monitor temperatures we would recommend Hardware info 64 as a free version for end users where you can get really good computer Health monitoring for determining if there is in fact a problem up next a brief Horizon 7000 separate videos we did an xrc stream as well but there's still a ton more we want to do it's just that we're getting basically flooded with GPU news at the same time as the CPU stuff and we actually can't keep up right now so we're having to make decisions on what videos to even edit which is cool but different it's not what we've normally dealt with the last few years so stuff we want to follow up on I don't know when or if we'll get to it we've looked into undervolting a little bit in the lab but we haven't gotten anywhere we can publish stuff yet we've looked at additional overclocking I was able to run 5.3 gigahertz all core on a 7950x with a water cooler at uh 1.24 volts or something which is really cool and that as in low voltage and we've also started looking into eco mode but right now all of that is basically getting shelved as we move into GPU testing except we've already done all of our pressure tests risers and 7000 so we took our specialized contact paper and our Niche traceable scanner and then we've put together some pressure maps that we're writing up and it's really cool information and data that we have uh functionally a picture of what it looks like when you clamp down a cooler multiple different types on top of the CPU and the IHS so we can look at how the ilm or the loading mechanism works for Horizon and M5 anyway really excited about that I don't know when exactly it's going to be up because again GPS are going to take priority at the moment but anyway that's stuff to look forward to on ryzen 7000 just wanted to update you all that there's a lot of really cool follow-up content we want to do we have the ideas we've seen your requests it's just basically uh a a staff power issue at this point of do we have enough people available or enough time available to do all of it okay z790 dark and classified evj still in the game not in gpus they got out right on time though uh because it's chaos now instead it's focusing on motherboards and it started by showing its z790 dark and classified boards which are Kingpin model boards or at least one of them and these are for Raptor lake or the 13th series of Intel's core architecture processors uh like the 3900k that we just talked about recently in a different news Roundup the Kingpin dark board features a 90 degree rotated socket and memory layout that lands the 2ddr5 slots at the top edge of the board it has only one slot perm memory Channel which helps with achieving maximum frequency when you're at the limits of a stable overclock the power connectors are all together on the right edge of the board and are angled 90 degrees so they end up facing towards the edge rather than up and away from the board this helps cable routing when on a test bench for extreme overclocking and can lead to a cleaner look when installed in certain cases especially like the height y60 for example the Kingpin dark has two pcie Gen 5 slots which automatically switch which one is assigned with all 16 Lanes depending on where you have the card installed that way you can run a video card in either position during overclocking sessions for maximum compatibility and if cards are installed in both slots they run out by eight of course with the current upcoming generation at least the most you're going to get is buy eight and two slots with 390 TI's but the 490s at this point already known to not support Envy link so you will not be running two of those at least not linked together maybe not at all because that would take like 10 slots so uh anyway the EVGA dark boards have typically been the very peak of sort of features performance and price as a result from EVGA and this one looks no different it's running a 14 layer PCB so it's a thick one and it has some additional features power reset buttons LED readouts voltage monitoring points things like that we've enjoyed working with the dark boards for extreme overclocking we've done it and if you're running a more consumer focused build it's total Overkill but uh yeah if you got the money to burn and you're really interested in some Enthusiast stuff like overclocking even without ln2 it might be worth looking into now additionally EVGA announced the z790 classified which is a step down from the dark and it brings back the giant red stamp right across it lots of the same features are carried over here with key differences being four memory slots instead of two a slightly smaller vrm at 19 phases but still huge and a different pcie slot layout EVGA is also bringing support for its Elite X1 software to these boards which you can use for uh basically overclocking within the OS voltage frequency all that stuff we don't have pricing on these uh we are going to try and get some in there so we can do some Raptor like overclocking with the 3900k once they are available so uh I'm personally having a lot of fun with the ln2 stuff it's been a few years since we've really been able to do it I know a lot of people like to make the comments of but that's not a real user scenario but it's really fun and so we're looking forward to doing more of it with now ryzen 7000 and Intel being able to go head to head at the same time next one ryzen 7000 D lid and direct dye news this one from der Bauer extreme overclock or their Bower is already working hard at bringing a d lid tool and direct die for aim for ryzen 7000 to the market they're about recently posted a video on his YouTube channel explained the process of prototyping and testing the products the d-lit tool works by clamping the CPU between two specially shaped blocks of metal that are allowed to slide back and forth by just a few millimeters this process causes metal fatigue in the relatively soft solder Tim between the IHS and the die eventually that breaks the bond we've worked with some of the deer Bauer dealing tools and past but it's always been for Intel yes even the AMD ones we've deleted we did those with a Razer Blade not advisable but with the am5 IHS remember that this is a particularly challenging one to manually deal with uh plus it's got solder in it so not as easy as say like one of the older apus that was running they're all paste once the IHS is removed the remaining solder and silicone adhesive has to be removed as well it's very important to take that silicone adhesive off because it can create an air gap if it's not reapplied correctly or on the same spot if you were to re-lid the ihsa with liquid metal or something it's always been on the actually the biggest keys to relating with liquid metal has not been just the liquid metal it's been getting that lid as flat as possible against the die so that's a key part that's often left out is the importance of removing that adhesive now amd's socket actuator mechanism or Sam but not smart access memory is made to interface with the eye chess to hold the CPU down in the socket but without the IHS that no longer works so there Bauer has been developing a direct diaphragm that holds the CPU in place and exposes the dot thermal Grizzly has sold a few direct diaphragms of the past for LGA sockets and even one of our team members has been using an LGA 2066 frame since 2018. the power goes on to explain several nuances of the design process and the pros and cons you can check out his video for all of that he also ran cinebench for a quick thermal test not sustained steady state but at a glance it gives you an idea of where things are falling and showed about a 20 degree reduction a couple things to note here so first of all we want to look at these and we are expecting to get some of them as soon as he's got either pre-production models ready or we'll buy them onto the retail online and additionally if you're doing direct iframe even though it's really cool it's a fun Enthusiast thing to do you will get an improvement you have to remember that there is risk involved there's risk involved in delighting even with a tool and then there's also risk involved in direct eye because if you get the pressure on and you really over torque whatever cooler you're putting on it you can crack the Silicon die pretty uncommon the diaphragms are supposed to help prevent some of that with support but feasibly you could do it if you really um just didn't pay good attention to how you're installing a cooler next one AMD rampant rdna 3 details we already know that AMD will be announcing rdna3 on November 3rd it previously announced this announcement and now it's re-announcing the announcement of that announcement because it has more things to announce and one of those is that rdna3 will be the first now officially known consumer graphics card with multi-chip modules or an MCM design where it you can think of it sort of as a chiplet-based approach in that sense now this is for the actual GPU core it's not just for hbm and the GPU there have been cards with multiple chips on the package before but for Consumer at least or anything that I'm aware of immediately all of that was monolithic maybe with hbm at the side the approach is similar to what AMD has done with its ryzen CPUs where I O and logic are on separate pieces of silicon arranged on a single package making smaller chiplets like this gets way better yield than manufacturing as compared to a large monolithic chip and in theory it helps with better pricing it also reduces the risk that you're at the reticle limit or the literal physical limit of what the lithography equipment can produce for silicon if you're running like the big dye gpus or something at this time that's really all the information we have it came from a tweet it's official it's from AMD and it's a way to grab a little bit of attention off the back of both Arc and Nvidia announcing fans where Andy's going like hey hey we were we were there beforehandal we hey hey guys additionally AMD pointed out in a blog post that it's our DNA 2 based rx6000 series video cards are seeing a significant retail price cut versus MSRP stand out among these is the RX 6900 XT which is now 700 and that's a actually compared to previous retail price in a decent price of course in light of the new stuff we'll see we'll see how it scales we want to see more than a one percent for one dollar change in performance because then as we've said in the past that stagnation not Improvement and it can't just be against the old prices now both companies are starting to face competition from used cars on the market as well all three companies account Intel and uh it's gonna it's really interesting right now the fact that Andy thought it was enough to go out and tweet this even though this event was already announced I I think may only be happening because Intel is in the mix with Nvidia where they're all starting to pressure each other where they're they're worried about like missing the window of opportunity and that's great that's fantastic for consumers that's why we need to see Intel continue with The Arc and AMD obviously continue to keep fighting with radio next one motherboard manufacturers have announced that they will support amd's Expo memory profiles on Intel z690 b660 and the upcoming z790 board as a reminder Expo is amd's version of storing specially tuned memory settings on ddr5 for compatibility with am5 manufacturers have already been doing the inverse for a long time by supporting XMP on AMD boards so let's just go in both directions now you choose whichever one's working better for you and the Expo takes a little bit more space on the dims persistent memory and uh then XMP that is and it stores additional timings like T5 for example and this could pose a small challenge for memory manufacturers looking to support both X and P and Expo on one memory kit overall it's a good move for cross compatibility finally EK water blocks has a new pump block combo that it's launching for LGA 1700 that's the Intel socket it has a mini reservoir for Intel 12 and 13th gen right on the LGA 1700 socket and this is called the EK Quantum velocity squared DDC 4.2 pwm drgb space Dash space 1700. it's available for pre-order and a nickel and Plexi glass finish for 340. the final package ends up being large for a water block it eliminates though the need for a separate pump and res in a custom Loop which is especially relevant for the small form factor crowd the block has inlets Outlets it has fill ports and multiple places to cover both horizontal and vertical orientations and as another quality of life feature mounting is handled entirely on the back of the motherboard via ek's exact Mount system which it says is easy to use but we haven't used it this has been done before last time was with the that we know it was with the Swift Tech apogee Drive 2 uh also Barrow has done some stuff but anyway that's it for the news this week thanks for watching as always you can subscribe for more go to store gamersaccess.net tops out directly by grabbing one of the large volt mod mats they are in stock and shipping now these services are awesome because they basically cover your 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