The Podcast with Jeff and Guest

We woke up in the middle of the night to do something for work, things right yeah yeah nice um all right i want to wrap up in just a moment but i do want to plug a few more things so we've got a new sister site with nine-to-five mac called connect the watts which is all about connected fitness from peloton to things that like nordictrack is doing to different companies whereas anything physical exercise activity you know getting in a workout but there's some smart aspect to it and bradley chambers who joined nine-to-five mac a few years ago is is kind of leading that effort so check out connectthewatch.com um i think that if you like this podcast you will like what you see there um also in my notes we had peloton rumors but now they're peloton uh it's now an announcement yes there's the peloton bike plus which is the first peloton with jim kit so that you sync your watch with it and it uses your watch as the heart rate sensor on the bike and the bike knows your speed and everything and that goes back to the watch and that's so cool it's like the first consumer so cool like before jim kit was like ten thousand dollars or not because it was for an at a gem you know equipment commercial equipment and and now it's for you know at-home stuff that's so cool yeah i mean that was my one of my biggest complaints about the peloton bike is the fact that you had to you had an apple watch you use that for all your fitness but then you have to strap this other heart rate sensor to your wrist it's like it just seemed redundant and um you know i it basically made it so i did not want to use a heart rate sensor right yeah yeah so this is this is an awesome upgrade and um yeah with some of the other upgrades with the bike plus it it's definitely looking like a big improvement over the original yeah they changed the screen to where it now comes out and you can kind of you know is it much easier to use that instead of like a tv or something or a tablet for your uh like other kind of workouts and exercises yeah and then it can now adjust the resistance on the bike automatically based on the class that you're in which is you know that's that's yeah that is so so welcome i'm i'm extremely excited about actually i have to say i i did order one of course you did yeah they're great it's a great product now yeah they they've renamed their treadmill which i've reviewed before and the only thing i missed with gymked uh to tread plus because it's the really premium one like over four grand i wish i would have got to keep that but i didn't um but no gem kit because it's just a new name not new hardware and they have a new treadmill coming early next year i think in the uk it's end of this year but it doesn't have gymket and it's i mean it's in that same price as the bike plus i'm not sure why they didn't do that and i hope that because there's still time that they reconsider that because otherwise i'm not that interested they have a really good treadmill system where you like roll knobs to adjust incline and speed and it's really natural because it's like you know knobs are great for ergonomics and when you're running you want ergonomics um but without gymkit it's like huh you know okay just put a tablet on another treadmill i guess you know for that that price but um yeah hopefully we'll get to have some experience with those things later this year and early next year yeah at this rate it's looking like early next year the shipping is like way way back ordered is that right so yeah you ordered your bike plus and do you have a date for it yeah or no i don't have a date but i've been just reading around and some people are saying i think it's that six to seven weeks okay um but yeah no firm date yet someone someone messaged me and said that they have one coming on tuesday but i wonder really yeah i have to double check with that and see but that's i was thinking that's pretty quick but we'll see all right that was a real pleasure jeff thank you for being here and we will do this again i i'm positive um yeah next time hopefully i won't have a cold i will couldn't even tell because clearly we have a lot more to say about about uh how we use the watch and and uh and this peloton stuff and jim kid stuff i i got to use jim kidd a few weeks ago too on something unrelated so um once you've got some bike plus experience then we'll we will revisit that for sure yeah look for a video of that one for sure awesome totally all right see you everybody later bye

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwelcome to nine to five mac watch time a podcast series exploring the world of apple watch and how it impacts people's lives my next guest for season three of nine to five meg watch time is none other than nine to five max jeff benjamin jeff how are you today i am doing lovely how are you doing zach fantastic uh we were just chatting before we started recording and uh for me i'm totally kind of getting back on the horse in terms of uh pod podcasting and you know we've been doing the weekly thing with happy hour but for watch time it's been quite a hiatus and uh for this run what i think what we got planned out is 10 episodes to get us through the new year and then we'll you know put it back on the shelf but for now we've got the next you know a few months to look forward to and i was so happy that you agreed to be my first guest for season three jeff because somehow we haven't done this before well it's only up from here zach so that's the good thing can only go up from here i appreciate that so jeff you are a nine-to-five max youtube lead and um i i would say like in just all you know in in matter of factly you're like the reviews editor because if there's a new product that comes from apple like a flagship product um you know someone someone on the team will probably have something to say about it you know but you're gonna have like the definitive review that people can expect to see um so that's kind of you know fit into your role as video editor but kind of talk about what you do at 9-5 mac and how it came to be um so yeah like you said i do youtube videos that's like my bread and butter i like reviewing new products um i actually started back wow it's been what 20 2009 i think i i got into uh doing reviews and things like that for i download blog doing videos please don't go back and look at some of those early videos because they're they're horrible um but yeah just doing that i'm just being interested in because back then you know video reviews they were sort of it was sort of a new concept i guess or it was still in its infancy nowadays you have like major productions yeah that go on and it's it's crazy how it's how it's grown so much but back then it was very like i just had a point-and-shoot camera and it was very simple and and just not a lot of access to it so uh but it's grown a lot and here at nine to five mac like you said doing reviews of all the latest products um uh tutorials uh pretty much anything that you know think that people will enjoy excuse me i'm fighting a code right now i think that people enjoy watching um and explaining i just love explaining things uh how things work and uh guiding people through you know things that are that appear complex but breaking it down to make it simple for them to to be able to get through so that's sort of my thing yeah that's awesome and you're natural you're gifted and you're talented and your voice i think everyone will recognize uh and it's so like calming and peaceful and everything so it's a perfect fit for something that can be complex and complicated to break it down and make it make it more human so you know we love you for that i appreciate it man i really do it's fun it's just it's just fun getting the feedback and helping people i think that's like the main um that's the main thing i get out of it like when i just get an email like someone explaining i tried this and this and this and then i finally got to your your tutorial or whatever and it really helped me that's that's like the ultimate in satisfaction for this so yeah and we've been there before i mean me and you i'm sure we're stuck on something and we're looking at like different guys and resources and right this one didn't do it you know when you listen to that one finally and it's like not only was it correct but there was a person behind it and you know it was very comforting and everything so yeah totally i i personally i i kind of empowered by that feedback too where i don't like reading comments you know on like articles and stuff but i read twitter and i read email and um you know sometimes someone will flag like a comment to me and i'm like oh that was actually positive but it's it's that it's that like negative general stuff that i'm looking to avoid but that positive specific stuff that i i i kind of live for um and you know we wouldn't have that without our audiences so it's it's terrific right yeah i think it's it's very important like if you're doing youtube or any sort of thing where you're like putting yourself out there and you're kind of exposed you're you're taking a risk so to speak and um when you get that negative feedback it it does sting um but so just trying to minimize your exposure to that is important to your mental health and you know everything just going forward and maintaining that happiness while doing your job is very important yeah that's right and and i've you know i've been dabbling with space stuff over the past you know a few months and everything and the and the the um the audience for that is a different audience in a lot of ways and there's some crossover but the sizes between nf5 mac and what i'm doing with space explored is very different um in that you can have like 10 people who are very engaged with a space tuff and that means the world to me versus having you know hundreds of thousands of people with nine to five max stuff right and it's like all it takes is one person to care and so like you know anyone listening you know when when you've got some positive feeling or something specific that you want to express you know reach out and do it because you really can't measure the value in that right yeah exactly and yeah i always try to respond i know some people are probably going to think no you didn't reply to my email but i try very hard to respond to as many emails as possible um especially you know constructive criticism or uh positive feedback always try to to respond to that so that's good yeah uh when did you join into five because i i i got in my notes it was ces 1945 that's how long ago it feels when i was talking with seth weintraub our publisher at 95 mac and he was like i'm looking at jeff over at idb i'm like cool let's do it you know but i think that was uh like we were probably talking around 2013 or 14 i think it was 14 if yeah or maybe man was it 14 maybe it was 15. i can't remember man or 16 maybe i don't it's just i mean it's flaw it's flown past so quickly it's like i can't keep up but yeah there was that period where like you were jeff from idb at nine to five mac you know and people are like the intro is in the video you know uh and now i think it's been long enough that that jeff from nine to five mac is like this is what it is right exactly yeah i still get the the comment like oh there you are jeff it's it's only been like five years or so but it's hilarious but yeah i really appreciate that yeah that's awesome um i i'm curious because we haven't really talked about this before me and you but um something i realize is that you know writing is one thing reporting is one thing um you know managing social media these are all like different things that that people can be experts at and we kind of do all those things together we do podcasting um photography can be its own thing videography is definitely its own thing and with the space stuff we've been going to rocket launches for that and my photographers are like we are not video people you know um those don't those don't necessarily translate automatically um and and so i'm i'm curious kind of how do you get into into video production um prior to 905 mac and prior to idb and um you know kind of also can you kind of characterize like the difference in those skill sets between photography and videography oh good question um it really was uh i don't know i mean it's just like one day i was like hey i think this this tutorial would look or be a lot better or be more effective if i actually showed them how this is done instead of just writing the steps it's like when i'm on the phone with my aunt doing tech support i'm like let me just wait wait till i come visit exactly yeah it's like man i'm writing all this information out this would be so much easier if i just showed them um so i literally just picked up a old canon camera actually it was a gift to my wife and she still kind of jabs me about that uh so i took her i took her camera and i just made a tutorial and it people really liked it they were like oh this is so helpful so from there i just i don't know i watching other like uh videography tutorials just learning the ins and outs of you know all the basics of photography in some way translate over to videography like get having the fundamentals of a photographer and like knowing about lighting and knowing about you know exposure and things like that translates right over to videography a lot of times they are still two uh very different uh disciplines but i think if you have a background in either one you can you can make it work in the other so you're working with the same vocabulary in terms of you know aperture and iso and shutter speed all this stuff yeah a lot of times you're working with the same thing so it it is a different skill set but um if you are like someone who does takes photos um just dabble with it that's my my biggest advice just experiment and see what you can make and um don't be too hard on yourself either and vice versa if you do videos experiment with with taking photos yeah and you've done some some cool things where you do like screen grabs from your videos and i know for 95 mac you create these really cool libraries of um just imagery that we can use and it's do you do both do you like photography and you do you know screen grabs or is it kind of what how do you do that um i'd say the majority are just going to be screen grabs from my videos so i'll just use final cut i'll set up for the internet yeah exactly so i just export directly from the timeline i'll scrub the timeline find the exact spot on that video where i can export that image and it hopefully looks okay but then other times especially when like composing thumbnails i think it's important to really start from scratch in and really compose something that is is specifically designed with the thumbnail in mind or if it's a really like a hero image you want to sit back and compose that shot make sure everything's in the right place make sure your lighting's okay because oftentimes the video just doesn't it just doesn't translate the way that you would want that to be so yeah so so with photography you might take like 10 pictures and one turns out the way you envisioned and i guess with with grabbing a screen grab you know the video looks amazing um you're kind of relying on luck to get that one shot that's as good as you envision it to be for the hero image so you're better you've got better odds if you're doing just a still shot for the hero image huh right yeah yeah the having that still shot being able to just compose it you know with the image uh does have some major advantages but the time aspect of just exporting exporting from the video is so nice uh so i use that often yeah um this is probably the last of limited space stuff in this episode but there's a um a space photographer on this race course named michael caine and he he did a a shot an iphone picture of a rocket launch which is hard to do when you when you leave your camera at the launch pad because for you know a traditional camera you have a remote trigger whether it's sound or time or brightness and with an iphone you really can't do that and manage battery life in the right way so um what he did was he had like a cooling system with a fan like a usb fan and batteries and he left his phone to record video and like filmic or something and then he took a screen grab from the video like one thing that looks decent 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that that's really cool that's the thing i love about you know taking images in videos it's like there's so many different ways to do things there's no right 100 right way yeah there's always some way you can come up with an innovative approach to pull off the shot i mean most of the stuff i use i mean someone would come in here and think this is a very elementary setup and they would be right like it's pretty basic and i use some very basic tools to get my job done i don't have a lot of fancy camera equipment necessarily um for instance i just to do like pan shots i'll just use a rubber band on the the the end of my tripod and on the tripod head i'll just use that to pull uh pan shot so just basic stuff like that that i've learned and picked up over the years off of youtube or other sources yeah that's cool um one thing that uh impresses me is that so like i i can take pictures um i can i can do home video but it's always like um i'll get way too ambitious and i think i'm gonna do like a product video and when the nature of filming a screen is just very difficult for me um and you've done this in different environments whether it's you know an iphone screen um which i guess is like is is easier than like say like a car play screen where the environment is right lessen your control that's funny you mentioned that because um i the last time i did like i love doing carplay coverage but it's very challenging because obviously you're outside you can't you have to control light and last time i just remember me taking garbage bags trash bags and keeping them all to my windows just to to black out all the lights so yeah that was that was an interesting experience that's something um and then and then we'll get into the watch stuff in just a moment but um you've done i think for the first generation watch you weren't with us yet maybe for this i'm thinking for the for the series one and two you were though and so you've had a watch review for each one um what is what is you know capturing the watch on video like for you it's it's a different than the phone it is um it's a very like um like my arm gets an extreme workout because you literally just have to hold your at least the way i do it i guess i could go a different approach but like holding my arm for like hours just because i have like an overhead camera setup and i like to have a top down look at the at the watch and it is um it's stressful man it's like i need someone to like hold my arm for me right yeah yeah the first time i did uh like even just like taking pictures of the watch um for the first generation watch review i had my wife model it it's like did you just stay you know and it was mostly like because like my arm is hairy this wasn't just like attractive to see um but you know it also doubles in that whole you know it's the whole thing like the watch is meant to be fast and interactive and you put your arm down so you don't strain right and that's that all goes out the window when you go to record it or like even just shoot it you know yeah awesome all right um for some watch stuff this week i want to do some things where um we have an apple event for september the 15th i believe um the tagline is time flies and it's the september fall event usually that means an iphone and an apple watch this year we expect it to mean an apple watch and ipad and then october will be iphones just based on how different this year has been but so that probably means that we've got a new apple watch in the way and i think some of the rumors are even that there's like two new watches to replace the series three in the lineup and the series five so we could assume series six is a name series three s i don't know what we'll do there um but you know and and we're so close now that um by the time a lot of people listen to this it'll probably be announced and new so there's no not much value in speculating but what i did want to do with do jeff is sort of um we've both spent time with series three and five apple watches and so to kind of do like an exit interview of like you know how has it been now that this thing you know both models are maybe on their way out um you know i guess starting with series three because that was for me an interesting one where it was a flagship watch for for a whole year and then it was kind of the entry level watch and then it was really the entry-level watch in its third year and it's kind of lasted you know all two or three of those years as being as being pretty good um what's your take on series three from from start to finish now um i mean obviously at the beginning it was um it was a pretty awesome watch uh i still i still use it actually uh when working out yeah because it's small and well i don't have to worry about like getting my my series five all like sweaty and everything like that i like using the series five just around the house and um just day to day wearing it but the series three is sort of the workhorse um it was that the first one with cellular it was yeah okay yeah it's coming back to me now yeah so and that was a huge deal being able to leave your phone in the car and go have like lunch or dinner and you know not worry about missing calls and not have the distraction of the phone with you was huge and i think that's an underrated facet of the the apple watch in general just the fact that it allows you to sort of de-tether untether uh in some respects from your from your phone so you're not always looking at it you you're confident knowing that you're not going to miss anything but you stay focused on the person in front of you yeah if you can if you can master if you get really comfortable using siri on the watch um or even you know always having like bluetooth headphones with you so that you can have a really natural experience then having the the watch with cellular you know if your phone isn't with you or you know you go and take a quick break from it um you never miss a beat and right you stay as in touch as ever it's really really wonderful yeah and i think it's a fantastic deal at you know 200 bucks even if you're not getting the cellular version obviously 200 bucks for an apple watch uh you have that in a pair of airpods that's like the perfect combination i think it makes it's just a great combination that series three yeah yeah and so the series three that was the first with with cellular uh it would be great if at some point we get to a point you know a time where all watches have sailor and it's not an option because you know i guess with series one and two you had basically the same chip processor you know speed wise but you had the choice of do you want gps or not and that was kind of the difference in series one and two and some swim like swim tracking is up too but uh it was mostly that gps and then you got gps and all watches thereafter um it would be neat if we could get to a point where like phones all watches have sailor and it's just the option of do you want to pay for the service this month or not versus do you want to you know make that investment when you purchase the watch or not because that i think that's a big opportunity that that um you know affects how the just kind of like an ipad i mean ipads with cellular just way better than without way better it changes how you can use them yeah i agree um just not having to think like just for instance just going out for a jog or mowing the lawn or whatever the case may be knowing you're not gonna miss a beat is is huge yeah and and there's you know it's pretty good now where you can you can sync music and have it reliably be there but it's it's so neat having just your full like the full catalog of apple music at your request you know as you're on the go same with podcasts same with you know phone calls and messaging and everything so um so series three i mean it's kind of neat that that's been the watch that stuck around for so long um because it was a big deal and it also serves and you know it was the last of that design before the series four came about um and so it's also kind of made the series four and five look more modern just because it is the older design right exactly yeah um series five for me this has been a weird one because you know early on it had like battered life issues where just it wasn't as good as series four was uh and they added the always on display you know so that that was a big benefit but even turning it off it was like i'm getting worse battery life than my series four they didn't really ever acknowledge it but they did resolve it in my experience several weeks after release uh since then i've never i haven't really thought about battery life in the same way but you know as the first few weeks and it's just this is not what the watch can do um but it but it's so similar to series four except for the always on display that i'm i'm it's it you know as impressive as series four is in series five you know moving the ball forward with this 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you first got the series five i mean it was it was horrible and there were so many complaints about it but now like you mentioned i don't even think about battery life right at all and they definitely resolved it um so yeah i'm in the same boat i don't know what i would even want from a series a series six like what is it that what possibly more could they do non-fitness-wise to make it to make it a better watch i don't know if i can can really find something yeah the i think part of the issue this this year is that the series five hardware has kind of advanced past the software and that there's still things that in in that that we'd want to see them do in in the watch os software like have um more than just the workout app be an always-on mode app you know have something for maps and not playing and other other uh first party apps and then later on third party apps so um right now it's pretty limited um i'd love to have an analog version of the always on watch face like whenever you're in an app and then you lower your rest it goes through the digital watch face i'd love that to be analog if you're using an analog watch face as your watch face you know have that intelligence um and right now we don't have that so i think that's a lot of it for me um hardware wise like you know we'll see what happens when when if you know if and when a series six is announced this month because i went with the ceramic edition series five i i probably will want to use that for a long time because the series six will need to be better than the series five by a lot plus the material difference and i really value the material of the series five so that might be the first watch that i stick with for longer than just the year um it's also a watch i never reviewed and i'm so glad that you guys review it because mine my my sort of i didn't do like a here is my review it was like i can't review this because of the battery stuff you know yeah exactly and maybe maybe a year out now i'll have something more to say on it you know in in in the future but um i've been i've been happy with it once we got past that but it was just so frustrating for those like six weeks where it's like huh you know about this with my own money and a kid doesn't doesn't get through the day yeah it makes me wonder like it really does make me wonder what is what is this new watches claim the fame going to be i know there's some you know with the blood measuring or oxygen yeah i know there's that but here's the thing like with forced touch basically going away in in watch os seven does that is that are we going to see a thinner series six because of that or is it we're going to see the same form factor that's what we've been hearing same form factor and maybe a slightly larger battery inside which would be welcome after last year i mean that would be like a direct response to kind of experiences from last year right um that's that's a good point because in watchos 7 beta there's even if it's just by usability design the whole layer of there's an invisible user interface here you have to press into the screen to access it that's gone now there's there's a button for everything where the before there was kind of a long press or you know a force pressed gesture to unveil it in some ways it can be slower but as i've used the beta over the summer i've gotten used to it and i don't think about it anymore i just and actually you never have to force touch your screen anymore because it doesn't do anything so that's kind of a user improvement i think um but that's a good point is is how will that translate to the new watch hardware um i have a just just my kind of take on sleep tracking and watch os seven beta is with series five and earlier is is that it's so basic that i'm wondering if there's something more advanced that they're saving for you know a series six with a different chip because that the processor and the series four and five are basically the same just have they just have a different display controller for the always on display and some different stuff with antennas for international calling but um it could be a year where the watch is you know it's at least year over year it's a pretty good improvement but it's just so quiet we don't know yet how do you enjoy the sleep tracking what's your take on it um so i've been sleep decking for a long time with it with a second apple watch because i've never been one to be able to manage charging during the day and and enjoying using the watch it's just that's too frustrating for me um but with the second watch you know whether it's an old series three or earlier you know um i've i've been able to enjoy it using different apps and um with apple stuff in watch os seven i i kind of like the stuff that's on the phone more than what's on the watch where you've got like a wind down mode um you know automatic dnd for do not disturb and you get that nice wake up message in the morning they it's all stuff it's kind of been there in pieces and they've just tied it together neater this year with ios 14. um in watchos 7 you i mean i like that you can designate a watch to sleep track or not so you can say this one you know look for it and this one don't look for it because if you don't want to use it then you can you've got confidence that it's not you're not wasting any resources on it um for what you do get it's it's pretty zoomed out and that you're not going to get like granular hour-by-hour or day-to-day data but it's like your your weekly averages and stuff like that and that's pretty good um but i it you are going to get more detail in third-party apps and i just can't help but wonder if apple's going to do something with different hardware in the future you know whether it's series 6 or 7 or beyond and they have a better a more robustly tracking system because you know they bought bet at that hardware sleep track right for your address and this doesn't replace that or come close in my opinion um so and is that their end game to seriously continue to sell a mattress you know sleep tracker and the watch or can it all be in one and when you look at the price of the beta it's like about the price of a series three so right yeah yeah i would see i mean it seems more apple like to have that all embedded in you know just the one device yeah yeah yeah definitely and the thing with sleep tracking with like a physical thing in your mattress says you know that's fine if you sleep there every night but if you don't then that's out the window you know and for me like the kids would come and jump in bed and like ruin it it's just i had very little value in that thing but with with the watch it's like it's always going to be with me you know and when i travel and everything so um you know and silent alarms are amazing where you have your alarm set and just tap shoot away yeah i love that so does my wife yeah i bet exactly especially for those like early early like wake up in the middle of night and to do something for work things right yeah yeah nice um all right i want to wrap up in just a moment but i do want to plug a few more things so we've got a new sister site with nine-to-five mac called connect the watts which is all about connected fitness from peloton to things that like nordictrack is doing to different companies whereas anything physical exercise activity you know getting in a workout but there's some smart aspect to it and bradley chambers who joined nine-to-five mac a few years ago is is kind of leading that effort so check out connectthewatch.com um i think that if you like this podcast you will like what you see there um also in my notes we had peloton rumors but now they're peloton uh it's now an announcement yes there's the peloton bike plus which is the first peloton with jim kit so that you sync your watch with it and it uses your watch as the heart rate sensor on the bike and the bike knows your speed and everything and that goes back to the watch and that's so cool it's like the first consumer so cool like before jim kit was like ten thousand dollars or not because it was for an at a gem you know equipment commercial equipment and and now it's for you know at-home stuff that's so cool yeah i mean that was my one of my biggest complaints about the peloton bike is the fact that you had to you had an apple watch you use that for all your fitness but then you have to strap this other heart rate sensor to your wrist it's like it just seemed redundant and um you know i it basically made it so i did not want to use a heart rate sensor right yeah yeah so this is this is an awesome upgrade and um yeah with some of the other upgrades with the bike plus it it's definitely looking like a big improvement over the original yeah they changed the screen to where it now comes out and you can kind of you know is it much easier to use that instead of like a tv or something or a tablet for your uh like other kind of workouts and exercises yeah and then it can now adjust the resistance on the bike automatically based on the class that you're in which is you know that's that's yeah that is so so welcome i'm i'm extremely excited about actually i have to say i i did order one of course you did yeah they're great it's a great product now yeah they they've renamed their treadmill which i've reviewed before and the only thing i missed with gymked uh to tread plus because it's the really premium one like over four grand i wish i would have got to keep that but i didn't um but no gem kit because it's just a new name not new hardware and they have a new treadmill coming early next year i think in the uk it's end of this year but it doesn't have gymket and it's i mean it's in that same price as the bike plus i'm not sure why they didn't do that and i hope that because there's still time that they reconsider that because otherwise i'm not that interested they have a really good treadmill system where you like roll knobs to adjust incline and speed and it's really natural because it's like you know knobs are great for ergonomics and when you're running you want ergonomics um but without gymkit it's like huh you know okay just put a tablet on another treadmill i guess you know for that that price but um yeah hopefully we'll get to have some experience with those things later this year and early next year yeah at this rate it's looking like early next year the shipping is like way way back ordered is that right so yeah you ordered your bike plus and do you have a date for it yeah or no i don't have a date but i've been just reading around and some people are saying i think it's that six to seven weeks okay um but yeah no firm date yet someone someone messaged me and said that they have one coming on tuesday but i wonder really yeah i have to double check with that and see but that's i was thinking that's pretty quick but we'll see all right that was a real pleasure jeff thank you for being here and we will do this again i i'm positive um yeah next time hopefully i won't have a cold i will couldn't even tell because clearly we have a lot more to say about about uh how we use the watch and and uh and this peloton stuff and jim kid stuff i i got to use jim kidd a few weeks ago too on something unrelated so um once you've got some bike plus experience then we'll we will revisit that for sure yeah look for a video of that one for sure awesome totally all right see you everybody later byewelcome to nine to five mac watch time a podcast series exploring the world of apple watch and how it impacts people's lives my next guest for season three of nine to five meg watch time is none other than nine to five max jeff benjamin jeff how are you today i am doing lovely how are you doing zach fantastic uh we were just chatting before we started recording and uh for me i'm totally kind of getting back on the horse in terms of uh pod podcasting and you know we've been doing the weekly thing with happy hour but for watch time it's been quite a hiatus and uh for this run what i think what we got planned out is 10 episodes to get us through the new year and then we'll you know put it back on the shelf but for now we've got the next you know a few months to look forward to and i was so happy that you agreed to be my first guest for season three jeff because somehow we haven't done this before well it's only up from here zach so that's the good thing can only go up from here i appreciate that so jeff you are a nine-to-five max youtube lead and um i i would say like in just all you know in in matter of factly you're like the reviews editor because if there's a new product that comes from apple like a flagship product um you know someone someone on the team will probably have something to say about it you know but you're gonna have like the definitive review that people can expect to see um so that's kind of you know fit into your role as video editor but kind of talk about what you do at 9-5 mac and how it came to be um so yeah like you said i do youtube videos that's like my bread and butter i like reviewing new products um i actually started back wow it's been what 20 2009 i think i i got into uh doing reviews and things like that for i download blog doing videos please don't go back and look at some of those early videos because they're they're horrible um but yeah just doing that i'm just being interested in because back then you know video reviews they were sort of it was sort of a new concept i guess or it was still in its infancy nowadays you have like major productions yeah that go on and it's it's crazy how it's how it's grown so much but back then it was very like i just had a point-and-shoot camera and it was very simple and and just not a lot of access to it so uh but it's grown a lot and here at nine to five mac like you said doing reviews of all the latest products um uh tutorials uh pretty much anything that you know think that people will enjoy excuse me i'm fighting a code right now i think that people enjoy watching um and explaining i just love explaining things uh how things work and uh guiding people through you know things that are that appear complex but breaking it down to make it simple for them to to be able to get through so that's sort of my thing yeah that's awesome and you're natural you're gifted and you're talented and your voice i think everyone will recognize uh and it's so like calming and peaceful and everything so it's a perfect fit for something that can be complex and complicated to break it down and make it make it more human so you know we love you for that i appreciate it man i really do it's fun it's just it's just fun getting the feedback and helping people i think that's like the main um that's the main thing i get out of it like when i just get an email like someone explaining i tried this and this and this and then i finally got to your your tutorial or whatever and it really helped me that's that's like the ultimate in satisfaction for this so yeah and we've been there before i mean me and you i'm sure we're stuck on something and we're looking at like different guys and resources and right this one didn't do it you know when you listen to that one finally and it's like not only was it correct but there was a person behind it and you know it was very comforting and everything so yeah totally i i personally i i kind of empowered by that feedback too where i don't like reading comments you know on like articles and stuff but i read twitter and i read email and um you know sometimes someone will flag like a comment to me and i'm like oh that was actually positive but it's it's that it's that like negative general stuff that i'm looking to avoid but that positive specific stuff that i i i kind of live for um and you know we wouldn't have that without our audiences so it's it's terrific right yeah i think it's it's very important like if you're doing youtube or any sort of thing where you're like putting yourself out there and you're kind of exposed you're you're taking a risk so to speak and um when you get that negative feedback it it does sting um but so just trying to minimize your exposure to that is important to your mental health and you know everything just going forward and maintaining that happiness while doing your job is very important yeah that's right and and i've you know i've been dabbling with space stuff over the past you know a few months and everything and the and the the um the audience for that is a different audience in a lot of ways and there's some crossover but the sizes between nf5 mac and what i'm doing with space explored is very different um in that you can have like 10 people who are very engaged with a space tuff and that means the world to me versus having you know hundreds of thousands of people with nine to five max stuff right and it's like all it takes is one person to care and so like you know anyone listening you know when when you've got some positive feeling or something specific that you want to express you know reach out and do it because you really can't measure the value in that right yeah exactly and yeah i always try to respond i know some people are probably going to think no you didn't reply to my email but i try very hard to respond to as many emails as possible um especially you know constructive criticism or uh positive feedback always try to to respond to that so that's good yeah uh when did you join into five because i i i got in my notes it was ces 1945 that's how long ago it feels when i was talking with seth weintraub our publisher at 95 mac and he was like i'm looking at jeff over at idb i'm like cool let's do it you know but i think that was uh like we were probably talking around 2013 or 14 i think it was 14 if yeah or maybe man was it 14 maybe it was 15. i can't remember man or 16 maybe i don't it's just i mean it's flaw it's flown past so quickly it's like i can't keep up but yeah there was that period where like you were jeff from idb at nine to five mac you know and people are like the intro is in the video you know uh and now i think it's been long enough that that jeff from nine to five mac is like this is what it is right exactly yeah i still get the the comment like oh there you are jeff it's it's only been like five years or so but it's hilarious but yeah i really appreciate that yeah that's awesome um i i'm curious because we haven't really talked about this before me and you but um something i realize is that you know writing is one thing reporting is one thing um you know managing social media these are all like different things that that people can be experts at and we kind of do all those things together we do podcasting um photography can be its own thing videography is definitely its own thing and with the space stuff we've been going to rocket launches for that and my photographers are like we are not video people you know um those don't those don't necessarily translate automatically um and and so i'm i'm curious kind of how do you get into into video production um prior to 905 mac and prior to idb and um you know kind of also can you kind of characterize like the difference in those skill sets between photography and videography oh good question um it really was uh i don't know i mean it's just like one day i was like hey i think this this tutorial would look or be a lot better or be more effective if i actually showed them how this is done instead of just writing the steps it's like when i'm on the phone with my aunt doing tech support i'm like let me just wait wait till i come visit exactly yeah it's like man i'm writing all this information out this would be so much easier if i just showed them um so i literally just picked up a old canon camera actually it was a gift to my wife and she still kind of jabs me about that uh so i took her i took her camera and i just made a tutorial and it people really liked it they were like oh this is so helpful so from there i just i don't know i watching other like uh videography tutorials just learning the ins and outs of you know all the basics of photography in some way translate over to videography like get having the fundamentals of a photographer and like knowing about lighting and knowing about you know exposure and things like that translates right over to videography a lot of times they are still two uh very different uh disciplines but i think if you have a background in either one you can you can make it work in the other so you're working with the same vocabulary in terms of you know aperture and iso and shutter speed all this stuff yeah a lot of times you're working with the same thing so it it is a different skill set but um if you are like someone who does takes photos um just dabble with it that's my my biggest advice just experiment and see what you can make and um don't be too hard on yourself either and vice versa if you do videos experiment with with taking photos yeah and you've done some some cool things where you do like screen grabs from your videos and i know for 95 mac you create these really cool libraries of um just imagery that we can use and it's do you do both do you like photography and you do you know screen grabs or is it kind of what how do you do that um i'd say the majority are just going to be screen grabs from my videos so i'll just use final cut i'll set up for the internet yeah exactly so i just export directly from the timeline i'll scrub the timeline find the exact spot on that video where i can export that image and it hopefully looks okay but then other times especially when like composing thumbnails i think it's important to really start from scratch in and really compose something that is is specifically designed with the thumbnail in mind or if it's a really like a hero image you want to sit back and compose that shot make sure everything's in the right place make sure your lighting's okay because oftentimes the video just doesn't it just doesn't translate the way that you would want that to be so yeah so so with photography you might take like 10 pictures and one turns out the way you envisioned and i guess with with grabbing a screen grab you know the video looks amazing um you're kind of relying on luck to get that one shot that's as good as you envision it to be for the hero image so you're better you've got better odds if you're doing just a still shot for the hero image huh right yeah yeah the having that still shot being able to just compose it you know with the image uh does have some major advantages but the time aspect of just exporting exporting from the video is so nice uh so i use that often yeah um this is probably the last of limited space stuff in this episode but there's a um a space photographer on this race course named michael caine and he he did a a shot an iphone picture of a rocket launch which is hard to do when you when you leave your camera at the launch pad because for you know a traditional camera you have a remote trigger whether it's sound or time or brightness and with an iphone you really can't do that and manage battery life in the right way so um what he did was he had like a cooling system with a fan like a usb fan and batteries and he left his phone to record video and like filmic or something and then he took a screen grab from the video like one thing that looks decent and it's like that's the rocket launch shot you know that's pretty awesome yeah yeah this week nine to five mech watch time is sponsored by pillow getting a good night's sleep is underrated but with a little help it can be life-changing pelu is an all-in-one sleep tracking solution to help you be more aware of your sleep patterns and discover what might be affecting your sleep quality if you have an apple watch tracking your sleep is as easy as wearing your apple watch during sleep pillow will track and analyze your sleep automatically one of 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just to do like pan shots i'll just use a rubber band on the the the end of my tripod and on the tripod head i'll just use that to pull uh pan shot so just basic stuff like that that i've learned and picked up over the years off of youtube or other sources yeah that's cool um one thing that uh impresses me is that so like i i can take pictures um i can i can do home video but it's always like um i'll get way too ambitious and i think i'm gonna do like a product video and when the nature of filming a screen is just very difficult for me um and you've done this in different environments whether it's you know an iphone screen um which i guess is like is is easier than like say like a car play screen where the environment is right lessen your control that's funny you mentioned that because um i the last time i did like i love doing carplay coverage but it's very challenging because obviously you're outside you can't you have to control light and last time i just remember me taking garbage bags trash bags and keeping them all to my windows just to to black out all the lights so yeah that was that was an interesting experience that's something um and then and then we'll get into the watch stuff in just a moment but um you've done i think for the first generation watch you weren't with us yet maybe for this i'm thinking for the for the series one and two you were though and so you've had a watch review for each one um what is what is you know capturing the watch on video like for you it's it's a different than the phone it is um it's a very like um like my arm gets an extreme workout because you literally just have to hold your at least the way i do it i guess i could go a different approach but like holding my arm for like hours just because i have like an overhead camera setup and i like to have a top down look at the at the watch and it is um it's stressful man it's like i need someone to like hold my arm for me right yeah yeah the first time i did uh like even just like taking pictures of the watch um for the first generation watch review i had my wife model it it's like did you just stay you know and it was mostly like because like my arm is hairy this wasn't just like attractive to see um but you know it also doubles in that whole you know it's the whole thing like the watch is meant to be fast and interactive and you put your arm down so you don't strain right and that's that all goes out the window when you go to record it or like even just shoot it you know yeah awesome all right um for some watch stuff this week i want to do some things where um we have an apple event for september the 15th i believe um the tagline is time flies and it's the september fall event usually that means an iphone and an apple watch this year we expect it to mean an apple watch and ipad and then october will be iphones just based on how different this year has been but so that probably means that we've got a new apple watch in the way and i think some of the rumors are even that there's like two new watches to replace the series three in the lineup and the series five so we could assume series six is a name series three s i don't know what we'll do there um but you know and and we're so close now that um by the time a lot of people listen to this it'll probably be announced and new so there's no not much value in speculating but what i did want to do with do jeff is sort of um we've both spent time with series three and five apple watches and so to kind of do like an exit interview of like you know how has it been now that this thing you know both models are maybe on their way out um you know i guess starting with series three because that was for me an interesting one where it was a flagship watch for for a whole year and then it was kind of the entry level watch and then it was really the entry-level watch in its third year and it's kind of lasted you know all two or three of those years as being as being pretty good um what's your take on series three from from start to finish now um i mean obviously at the beginning it was um it was a pretty awesome watch uh i still i still use it actually uh when working out yeah because it's small and well i don't have to worry about like getting my my series five all like sweaty and everything like that i like using the series five just around the house and um just day to day wearing it but the series three is sort of the workhorse um it was that the first one with cellular it was yeah okay yeah it's coming back to me now yeah so and that was a huge deal being able to leave your phone in the car and go have like lunch or dinner and you know not worry about missing calls and not have the distraction of the phone with you was huge and i think that's an underrated facet of the the apple watch in general just the fact that it allows you to sort of de-tether untether uh in some respects from your from your phone so you're not always looking at it you you're confident knowing that you're not going to miss anything but you stay focused on the person in front of you yeah if you can if you can master if you get really comfortable using siri on the watch um or even you know always having like bluetooth headphones with you so that you can have a really natural experience then having the the watch with cellular you know if your phone isn't with you or you know you go and take a quick break from it um you never miss a beat and right you stay as in touch as ever it's really really wonderful yeah and i think it's a fantastic deal at you know 200 bucks even if you're not getting the cellular version obviously 200 bucks for an apple watch uh you have that in a pair of airpods that's like the perfect combination i think it makes it's just a great combination that series three yeah yeah and so the series three that was the first with with cellular uh it would be great if at some point we get to a point you know a time where all watches have sailor and it's not an option because you know i guess with series one and two you had basically the same chip processor you know speed wise but you had the choice of do you want gps or not and that was kind of the difference in series one and two and some swim like swim tracking is up too but uh it was mostly that gps and then you got gps and all watches thereafter um it would be neat if we could get to a point where like phones all watches have sailor and it's just the option of do you want to pay for the service this month or not versus do you want to you know make that investment when you purchase the watch or not because that i think that's a big opportunity that that um you know affects how the just kind of like an ipad i mean ipads with cellular just way better than without way better it changes how you can use them yeah i agree um just not having to think like just for instance just going out for a jog or mowing the lawn or whatever the case may be knowing you're not gonna miss a beat is is huge yeah and and there's you know it's pretty good now where you can you can sync music and have it reliably be there but it's it's so neat having just your full like the full catalog of apple music at your request you know as you're on the go same with podcasts same with you know phone calls and messaging and everything so um so series three i mean it's kind of neat that that's been the watch that stuck around for so long um because it was a big deal and it also serves and you know it was the last of that design before the series four came about um and so it's also kind of made the series four and five look more modern just because it is the older design right exactly yeah um series five for me this has been a weird one because you know early on it had like battered life issues where just it wasn't as good as series four was uh and they added the always on display you know so that that was a big benefit but even turning it off it was like i'm getting worse battery life than my series four they didn't really ever acknowledge it but they did resolve it in my experience several weeks after release uh since then i've never i haven't really thought about battery life in the same way but you know as the first few weeks and it's just this is not what the watch can do um but it but it's so similar to series four except for the always on display that i'm i'm it's it you know as impressive as series four is in series five you know moving the ball forward with this display it kind of leaves me uh curious about what you know what what are the next few things the watch is going to be able to do this week nine to five mac watch time is sponsored by flexibits the makers of the excellent fantastical calendar app and card hop contacts manager fantastical premium launched earlier this year and it's a major upgrade to their apple design award-winning calendar and task app a subscription for about three dollars a month includes mac iphone ipad and apple watch apps and everything syncs reliably 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series five hardware has kind of advanced past the software and that there's still things that in in that that we'd want to see them do in in the watch os software like have um more than just the workout app be an always-on mode app you know have something for maps and not playing and other other uh first party apps and then later on third party apps so um right now it's pretty limited um i'd love to have an analog version of the always on watch face like whenever you're in an app and then you lower your rest it goes through the digital watch face i'd love that to be analog if you're using an analog watch face as your watch face you know have that intelligence um and right now we don't have that so i think that's a lot of it for me um hardware wise like you know we'll see what happens when when if you know if and when a series six is announced this month because i went with the ceramic edition series five i i probably will want to use that for a long time because the series six will need to be better than the series five by a lot plus the material difference and i really value the material of the series five so that might be the first watch that i stick with for longer than just the year um it's also a watch i never reviewed and i'm so glad that you guys review it because mine my my sort of i didn't do like a here is my review it was like i can't review this because of the battery stuff you know yeah exactly and maybe maybe a year out now i'll have something more to say on it you know in in in the future but um i've been i've been happy with it once we got past that but it was just so frustrating for those like six weeks where it's like huh you know about this with my own money and a kid doesn't doesn't get through the day yeah it makes me wonder like it really does make me wonder what is what is this new watches claim the fame going to be i know there's some you know with the blood measuring or oxygen yeah i know there's that but here's the thing like with forced touch basically going away in in watch os seven does that is that are we going to see a thinner series six because of that or is it we're going to see the same form factor that's what we've been hearing same form factor and maybe a slightly larger battery inside which would be welcome after last year i mean that would be like a direct response to kind of experiences from last year right um that's that's a good point because in watchos 7 beta there's even if it's just by usability design the whole layer of there's an invisible user interface here you have to press into the screen to access it that's gone now there's there's a button for everything where the before there was kind of a long press or you know a force pressed gesture to unveil it in some ways it can be slower but as i've used the beta over the summer i've gotten used to it and i don't think about it anymore i just and actually you never have to force touch your screen anymore because it doesn't do anything so that's kind of a user improvement i think um but that's a good point is is how will that translate to the new watch hardware um i have a just just my kind of take on sleep tracking and watch os seven beta is with series five and earlier is is that it's so basic that i'm wondering if there's something more advanced that they're saving for you know a series six with a different chip because that the processor and the series four and five are basically the same just have they just have a different display controller for the always on display and some different stuff with antennas for international calling but um it could be a year where the watch is you know it's at least year over year it's a pretty good improvement but it's just so quiet we don't know yet how do you enjoy the sleep tracking what's your take on it um so i've been sleep decking for a long time with it with a second apple watch because i've never been one to be able to manage charging during the day and and enjoying using the watch it's just that's too frustrating for me um but with the second watch you know whether it's an old series three or earlier you know um i've i've been able to enjoy it using different apps and um with apple stuff in watch os seven i i kind of like the stuff that's on the phone more than what's on the watch where you've got like a wind down mode um you know automatic dnd for do not disturb and you get that nice wake up message in the morning they it's all stuff it's kind of been there in pieces and they've just tied it together neater this year with ios 14. um in watchos 7 you i mean i like that you can designate a watch to sleep track or not so you can say this one you know look for it and this one don't look for it because if you don't want to use it then you can you've got confidence that it's not you're not wasting any resources on it um for what you do get it's it's pretty zoomed out and that you're not going to get like granular hour-by-hour or day-to-day data but it's like your your weekly averages and stuff like that and that's pretty good um but i it you are going to get more detail in third-party apps and i just can't help but wonder if apple's going to do something with different hardware in the future you know whether it's series 6 or 7 or beyond and they have a better a more robustly tracking system because you know they bought bet at that hardware sleep track right for your address and this doesn't replace that or come close in my opinion um so and is that their end game to seriously continue to sell a mattress you know sleep tracker and the watch or can it all be in one and when you look at the price of the beta it's like about the price of a series three so right yeah yeah i would see i mean it seems more apple like to have that all embedded in you know just the one device yeah yeah yeah definitely and the thing with sleep tracking with like a physical thing in your mattress says you know that's fine if you sleep there every night but if you don't then that's out the window you know and for me like the kids would come and jump in bed and like ruin it it's just i had very little value in that thing but with with the watch it's like it's always going to be with me you know and when i travel and everything so um you know and silent alarms are amazing where you have your alarm set and just tap shoot away yeah i love that so does my wife yeah i bet exactly especially for those like early early like wake up in the middle of night and to do something for work things right yeah yeah nice um all right i want to wrap up in just a moment but i do want to plug a few more things so we've got a new sister site with nine-to-five mac called connect the watts which is all about connected fitness from peloton to things that like nordictrack is doing to different companies whereas anything physical exercise activity you know getting in a workout but there's some smart aspect to it and bradley chambers who joined nine-to-five mac a few years ago is is kind of leading that effort so check out connectthewatch.com um i think that if you like this podcast you will like what you see there um also in my notes we had peloton rumors but now they're peloton uh it's now an announcement yes there's the peloton bike plus which is the first peloton with jim kit so that you sync your watch with it and it uses your watch as the heart rate sensor on the bike and the bike knows your speed and everything and that goes back to the watch and that's so cool it's like the first consumer so cool like before jim kit was like ten thousand dollars or not because it was for an at a gem you know equipment commercial equipment and and now it's for you know at-home stuff that's so cool yeah i mean that was my one of my biggest complaints about the peloton bike is the fact that you had to you had an apple watch you use that for all your fitness but then you have to strap this other heart rate sensor to your wrist it's like it just seemed redundant and um you know i it basically made it so i did not want to use a heart rate sensor right yeah yeah so this is this is an awesome upgrade and um yeah with some of the other upgrades with the bike plus it it's definitely looking like a big improvement over the original yeah they changed the screen to where it now comes out and you can kind of you know is it much easier to use that instead of like a tv or something or a tablet for your uh like other kind of workouts and exercises yeah and then it can now adjust the resistance on the bike automatically based on the class that you're in which is you know that's that's yeah that is so so welcome i'm i'm extremely excited about actually i have to say i i did order one of course you did yeah they're great it's a great product now yeah they they've renamed their treadmill which i've reviewed before and the only thing i missed with gymked uh to tread plus because it's the really premium one like over four grand i wish i would have got to keep that but i didn't um but no gem kit because it's just a new name not new hardware and they have a new treadmill coming early next year i think in the uk it's end of this year but it doesn't have gymket and it's i mean it's in that same price as the bike plus i'm not sure why they didn't do that and i hope that because there's still time that they reconsider that because otherwise i'm not that interested they have a really good treadmill system where you like roll knobs to adjust incline and speed and it's really natural because it's like you know knobs are great for ergonomics and when you're running you want ergonomics um but without gymkit it's like huh you know okay just put a tablet on another treadmill i guess you know for that that price but um yeah hopefully we'll get to have some experience with those things later this year and early next year yeah at this rate it's looking like early next year the shipping is like way way back ordered is that right so yeah you ordered your bike plus and do you have a date for it yeah or no i don't have a date but i've been just reading around and some people are saying i think it's that six to seven weeks okay um but yeah no firm date yet someone someone messaged me and said that they have one coming on tuesday but i wonder really yeah i have to double check with that and see but that's i was thinking that's pretty quick but we'll see all right that was a real pleasure jeff thank you for being here and we will do this again i i'm positive um yeah next time hopefully i won't have a cold i will couldn't even tell because clearly we have a lot more to say about about uh how we use the watch and and uh and this peloton stuff and jim kid stuff i i got to use jim kidd a few weeks ago too on something unrelated so um once you've got some bike plus experience then we'll we will revisit that for sure yeah look for a video of that one for sure awesome totally all right see you everybody later bye\n"