**The Intel Core i9-13600K: A Balancing Act**

When it comes to negotiating, some people like to get that extra 10 bucks back later when they go for the X version. They say, "Yeah, but it's the X version that's better." Then, there are those who respond with, "I don't know what any of that means." Here's money, gaming computer man, now in the next tier up.

As we start considering Intel, things get a little more interesting for Andy. The 13600k maintains significant value at this point. It is more expensive, but it's better in several situations. If you can buy up and afford it, keep in mind that motherboards might have some better options there too to help level out the price a little bit.

On the AMD side, however, the 7700x on the market is $350 to $400, which we think is too expensive to be relevant in most workloads. It's probably the roughest one compared to its own other parts and Intel's parts. We'll discuss that more in our review of the 7700.

**A Quick Recap of Numbers from Earlier**

For a quick recap of some of the numbers from earlier in the video, let's take a look at Blender results. In Blender, we saw the 7600 was 26% faster than the 5600x. The 7600 with PBO was four percent faster on average than the 7600. Still in Blender, 7600x was five percent faster, while 12 600k was 14% faster. This is still a good consideration.

In Chromium code compile, we saw the 7600 was 25% faster than the 56x, and the rest of the results were basically the same as in Blender with PBO. We were down to only a two percent advantage with the 7600 compared to the PBO version.

**Adobe Premiere Results**

Once again, in Adobe Premiere, we saw PBO doing almost nothing. The 7600x was seven percent better than the non-x. For gaming, the differences are even less noticeable.

**A Look at Gaming Charts**

We've already shown you some of these charts earlier. In general, the 7600 it's really similar to the 7600x. There is not much appreciable difference in most instances. PBO doesn't help as much as it probably will on the 7900. We'll look at that in our next review.

**The Verdict: A Lower Power CPU Out of the Box**

Overall, what comes down to is if there's a significant price cut like more than twenty dollars, the 7600 non-x starts to make a lot of sense. If it's like the same or $10, maybe just get the X and maybe it's slightly better silicon quality if you're interested in overclocking. No guarantee, but if you want that last percentage point or two, you can tune it with PBO.

There are some advantages in certain situations to having a lower power CPU out of the box. Most of them are its lower power out of the box. You plug it in, and then if you're more enthusiastic about tuning, you can do so. Additionally, putting the 7600x into Eco mode will give you the same power efficiency as this CPU.

**The Cooler: A Matter of Constrained Cases**

A lot of people like to say that the cooler is not good enough. But the answer is it's just not that good. It's fine for 65-watt TDP, but at 88 Watts actual out of the box, it'll work okay especially if your case has actual airflow in it and a perforated front panel or better yet holes in the top because it can pull air from the top.

If you're doing anything more with your system like overclocking at PBO, uh, you have more constrained cases than that cooler. A 20 cooler is a far better way to go. It adds the cost of the product, but since you'll have to buy a cooler for the X anyway, it's still cheaper.

**That's It for This Review**

This is one of those reviews where it's like "uh yeah, it's it's better value." We think and for most enthusiasts, we think you should probably just save the money. Buy the non-x if you really care, then tune it overclock it do PBO whatever, and go for those last few percentage points.

But at least you save the money. If you've done it before, probably a couple of hours if you haven't. So that's it for this one. Thanks for watching as always subscribe for more. Go to store.gamersaccess.net to grab one of our limited disappointment build 2022 t-shirts. It's got the list of the worst products from the year on the back of the shirt, and the front has some artifact and GPUs we have them in cotton and in Tri-blend fabric.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enforeign just recently announced its non-x CPUs including the 7600 seventy seven hundred and seventy nine hundred in this video we're reviewing and benchmarking the 7600 non-x we have reviews of the 77 and 79 coming up next and for these what we're looking at is how is the value proposition versus the generally too expensive x-class 7000 series CPUs that was everyone's main problem with the 7000 series was compared to Intel the value was getting a little rough for AMD it was a different scenario than the last couple of years so now amd's dropping the prices but the non-x CPUs although technically they run slower they are fully unlocked so you can run them with PBO or overclock them and get most the way to an x-cpu that's one of the things we're gonna be looking at today in the review let's get started before that this video is brought to you by the height y60 the height y60 is one of the most unique cases to launch anytime recently coming in multiple color options like this bright red and it's also built for both water Cooling and Air cooling the case pays extreme attention to detail particularly with cable management paths like you can see with the quality rubber grommets that are always passed through and with split lower and upper chambers learn more at the link in the description below quick background to get everyone up to speed so the 7600 is a 6 core 12 thread part it's lower TDP at 65 Watts but TDP is not equal to power we'll talk about that more later the 7700 non-x is eight cores 12 threads and the 79 is 12 cores 24 threads now all of these are reduced TDP they all launch tomorrow at the time this video goes up so that'll be January 10 2023 and here's a quick table showing the basic spec on paper these are basically just power limited versions of the existing 7000 series CPUs all three are limited to 65 watt TDP and you can't compare this number to previous generations so keep that in mind they changed some of the numbers around other than that the maximum boost clocks are 100 to 200 megahertz lower than the x-class CPUs and the base clocks are considerably lower 900 megahertz lower in the case of the 7600 versus the 7600x that will come into play in the benchmarks they also come with coolers though the 7900 and 7700 get The Wraith prism and the 7600 we're reviewing also gets a wraith cooler but it's the stealth the stealth is the smallest of all of amd's stock coolers we're not entirely sure what happened to the middle and race Spire but it didn't make an appearance here now the biggest thing to keep in mind here is that Andy's original list prices for the x-class CPUs were far higher than they have been recently at what we call the street price or what it's actually available for from retailers so originally this price Gap would have been about 70 bucks 230 for the nonx 300 for the X pretty big difference very easy to start making a strong value comparison to the non-x however at the time we're filming this the and the prices have been climbing again but the x is available for around 250 bucks it has gone up a little bit it was 240 a couple weeks or a month ago um so the prices are fluctuating and we'll have to come to conclusions at the end we'll give you a couple options based on what we think the prices will most likely level out at but they've been cheaper lately which does make it a little weird for AMD with the non-x CPUs and we think based on what we've heard from talking to people within the industry that the non-x CPUs will likely also drop depending on what Intel pushes at the low end over the next couple months so prices are going to move around a lot which is great that means there's good competition motherboard is still far too expensive in general for am5 but that's a different different topic okay we're gonna get into the gaming benchmarks first then we'll go through Power efficiency power testing we'll also be talking about production capabilities and we'll come to a value judgment at the end we'll start off our gaming Suite of bench parks with Far Cry 6 at 1080p where we have good scaling throughout the stack with the 3090 TI and we have some 40 90 tests coming up in the 7700 review as well if you want to see those the ryzen 5 7600 placed at 155 FPS average on the chart only 3 FPS average behind the original 7600x and without meaningful change in the one percent loads this means that the X and non-x are functionally tied here and you won't notice any difference in the experience next we applied PBR Precision boost overdrive and the results were basically indistinguishable from stock since the change versus the 7600x is so small the non-x still has a healthy lead over the previous generation 5600x that said the 5800 x3d with its larger cache is still firmly the leading AMD CPU for Far Cry with 181 FPS average the 12600k is tied exactly with the 7600 and can be bought for about the same money for the KF version one potential Advan advantage to the 12 600k is a lower overall platform cost when using ddr4 as we move through the other charts we'll see if the performance of these two parts diverges up from that is the 13600k which holds a comfortable 19 lead over the 7600 But really is in the next price class up at about 320 dollars next is CS go at 1080p the 7600 Falls right in behind the 7600x at 387 FPS average firmly within variants of each other there's no performance difference between them along with the 7600 PBO results as well that's two games so far with the non-x holds up just like the X and here's why that is so even though the TDP is constrained in the non-x parts in gaming it is extremely uncommon for the CPU to pull all of the power that it would in an all-core production workload like say blender or compiling code so when you're playing games the load tends to bounce between the CPU and the GPU and other component Islands in a way where it's not typically going to run up against TDP or the PPT limits that are configured for the CPU and that's why a 7600x with a more unlocked configuration compared to a 7600 with a locked config basically look the same it's because they're not bouncing off of the power limit anyway so back to the Chart the 7600 outperforms the similarly priced 12 600k by 27 percent and even the more expensive 13 600k by six percent Zen 4 is showing up strong for CS go making the 7600 look like a good choice at 230 dollars this game is also an example of a situation where the 58x3d's cache doesn't provide much benefit at least as compared to Far Cry giving a lead of 13 to the 7600 if you've been hanging on to an early rise in CPU like a 2600 and aren't compelled to do an in socket upgrade this might be your moment the 7600 more than doubles the average frame rate for that CPU and a rains way better frame time consistency along with it moving to Final Fantasy 14 and the end Walker Benchmark we see all the ryzen 7000 CPUs are tightly packed relative to the 7600 Final Fantasy seems to utilize CPUs and the zenfor architecture similarly with Intel 13th gen CPUs performing higher and older ryzen CPU is performing worse as compared to the previous generations the 5800x3d is functionally tied with the 7600 as well the extra cash makes up for the missing core performance we can see the other side of that when looking at the 5600x which is outperformed by the 7600 by 19 as for Intel comparisons the 12600k is also tied with the 7600 But the 13600k comes out ahead by 17 percent for 90 dollars more in Rainbow Six Siege at 1080p the 7600 falls into a range of very similarly performing CPUs just over 600 FPS average we know it's not purely a GPU limitation due to the fact that the 13700k and 3900k are out ahead so we can chalk this up to other behaviors like game engine or driver overhead so in light of that the 7600 performs identically to itself under PBO the 7600x is the same 13600k is about the same and more the 5600x is predictably slower as is the 12 600k which allows an 11 lead to the 7600. there's not much else to say here so we'll move on now this next one is a GPU bound scenario so this is total war Warhammer 3. it's at 1080P and technically speaking it's useless as a CPU review comparison but it's useful for illustrating what happens when your GPU bound which is a big surprise they're all the same so the only reason we include this chart is to help people who are partic in particular who are new to the space new to building PCS understand that in CP reviews and GPU reviews you intentionally construct a scenario to show a difference with the part you're reviewing but in reality sometimes it's bound by something else so anyway let's get to the chart art so in total Warhammer 3 It suffers from poor scaling due to being generally held back by the graphics load and the memory load it's a good demonstration for what a limitation looks like but it's not useful for a CPU review the only thing you really see scaling from is something like a 2600. our final game Benchmark is shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p the 7600 ran at 253 FPS average and again tied with the 7600x so for all our game tests there's not really a reason to spend more on the X versus the non-x the 7600 is also the better pick over the 12600k as it outperformed the last ni5 by 14 this is also one of the rarer situations where the 13600k shows no benefit over the 7600 and as always this is why it's important to test different apis different games because not always the case that say Intel's direct competitors better or amds is better they'll trade depending on what the scenario is now as stated we have some 40 90 tests as well but we're going to debut those with the 7700 and 7900 because we've started to need the higher end GPU capability so we'll be looking at that soon so for TDP AMD tried to make some kind of Claim about gaming at ultra low power consumption and one of its presentation slides for the 7600 it compared to the 7600 at 65 watts versus the 13600k at 125 watts and AMD claimed the following quote the ryzen 5 7 600 runs at a low air cool friendly 65 watt TDP while the core i5 13600k consumes a much higher 125 watt TDP first of all CPUs don't consume TDP AMD they consume electricity power uh this quote is phenomenally stupid in a lot of ways AMD has been playing screwy games with TDP for a very long time we published a deep dive on it years ago they haven't changed and these formulation for TDP is such that you cannot even compare the 5000 series to the 7000 series so this is silly it's not possible nor is it I mean it's it's just strictly disingenuous to compare CPU power consumption cross brand by using TDP which for AMD is not derived from power watts does not appear in the TDP formula except at the end of it when they just slap a w on to the number that calculates out from TK's T ambient which is temperature for both of those and for the thermal resistance of the cooler strapped to the CPU so AMD let's just stop with the slimy bullsh Petty marketing and use real numbers 88 Watts for yours and then we'll show enthals in our power testing those are the numbers you can use come on let's not do the Radeon group thing and start playing thumb games when you don't have to you can't see but you can feel it to prove the point about Watts not equal in Watts we'll start the tests off with all core power consumption this is measured at the 12 volt cables to isolate down to just the cpu's power draw not the full system the ryzen 5 7600 at stock pulled an average of 88 Watts the particularly astute to Manu May notice that 88 is higher than 65. AMD has another number called PPT or package of power tracking this acts as a limit for how much actual power in actual watts the CPU consumes the pvt for the 7600 is 88 Watts so the limit works as intended here if we could just get AMD marketing to report the PBT instead of or alongside TDP that'd be great but back to the Chart the 88 watt number is less than the original 7600x which measured at 116 Watts that's the 32 percent higher than the non-x new part kind of impressive considering they're basically the same part with different Power limits even when we applied PBO to the 7600 it still used less power than the X and despite lower non-x power draw the previous generation 5600x is lower still pulling only 67 Watts overall the 7600 is relatively well behaved out of the box and won't put a preachable strain on any halfway decent vrm or cooler when compared to Intel's 12th and 13th gen i5s the 12600k uses 35 more power than the 7600 and the 13600k at 161 Watts uses nearly double the power the 13600k is going to be faster in basically any scenario but it does so at the cost of power consumption our next test measures CPU efficiency by doing a simple calculation between the energy consumed versus the amount of work completed and time is a variable here so we allow them to run until they finish the workload and then we look at how much power did it consume during that work how long did it take to complete the work what is the result in efficiency in Watt hours so if you use eco mode the efficiency has been there but if you don't use eco mode with the excuse It's very inefficient by comparison these are basically eco mode xq CPUs without the X so let's take a look at the numbers the 7600 calculated to 24.4 Watt hours making it 20 percent more efficient than the original 7600x and place it at just above the 5600x this along with the 7950x's Eco Mode results really shows how much being efficient comes down to just the tuning of the part losing efficiency could be okay if you make up for it with raw performance in this case that'd be the time to complete the render so let's get into that next our first production Benchmark is blender where we measure the completion time of a custom GM logo render designed to provide good scaling across various textures since we're measuring time in this charge lower is better the ryzen 5 7600 completed the render in 16.7 minutes establishing itself in the middle of our charge and just ahead of the 5800x3d the extra cash doesn't help here the 7600x is five percent faster than the new 7600 non-x showing the relatively minor uplifts afforded by the extra power budget with PBO applied to the 7600 the gap between it and the 7600x Narrows to a functionally meaningless level there's still a technical advantage to the 7600x but it's not enough for anyone to actually notice the new 7600 is better value than the original X whether or not you apply PBO and looking generationally the 7600 is at 26 faster than the 5600x which launched at a price of three hundred dollars motherboard costs remain high but at least it's moving in the right direction down for price that is Intel's previous generation I5 12 600 K finished the render 14 faster than the 7600 the 12600k is selling for about 250 right now making it a better deal for this kind of workload the newer 13600k which won our best overall CPU of 2022 tested at 36 percent faster than the 7600. it's a major uplift but the 90 difference between the 76 and the 136k renders the comparison a little less impactful if your budget is strict next up is our code compile Benchmark where we measure the time it takes to fully compile chromium from a source lower is again better overall the lineup is mostly the same as in blender as it's also a highly threaded task that said a few Intel CPUs have traded places with their nearest AMD neighbors the R5 7600 completed the task in 86.8 minutes tying with the eight core 5800x six Zen four cores can generally do the job of eight Zen three cores in most but not all situations and that remains true here apply and PBO doesn't get as much out of the 7600 as it did in blender it's barely moving the needle the 7600x is about five percent ahead of the non-x here as well scaling versus the unlocked i-5s is nearly identical the 12 600k completed 14 faster than the 7600 and the 136k was 37 faster you're making Intel a better value at this price class file compression is next we test using 7-Zip and the scores are in millions of instructions per second or mips and the higher is better the R5 7600 is functionally tied with several other CPUs including the 58x3d and the 12 6K PBO doesn't change anything the 7600x scrapes out a three percent lead over the non-x for a tactical lead but not one that matters the 12700 KF and the 7700x are faster but if you're stepping up your budget into the low 300s you might as well go for the 13600k as it boasts a large 40 lead over the 7600. decompression has better scaling between CPUs and the stack the R5 7600 lands predictably between in the 3700x and the 7600x on our chart and the 7600 holds a 16 lead over the 5600x showing decent generational Improvement the non-x R5 also manages to beat the 12 600k for the first time in our suite posting a six percent advantage over the I5 due to Zen's inherent gains in decompression one interesting observation is that compared to the compression test the last gen 5800x with its eight cores LeapFrogs the 7600 by 17 percent here the 5800x can be had for around 240 bucks an hour and so on the less expensive but dead on platform it's worth considering still the 13600k as a last Point runs 29 better than the 7600 But it's also a higher price tier our last set of tests is in the Adobe suite starting with Premiere the score is an aggregate built from a standardized set of filters transforms live playback and scrubbing and more the 7600 lands near the middle of our charge just be behind the 5800x applying PBO gives it a tiny bump but not one equal to a 7600x which performed seven percent higher than the non-x this gives the new R5 a better value proposition bearing in mind the pricing caveats mentioned earlier despite the stronger overall value we can't recommend the 7600 for Premiere as a primary work function it's not as bad as an entry point to am5 but you'd be better served by Intel's I5 options the 12600k posts a 9 lead over the 7600 and the 13600k is closer to a 20 lead as Premier users ourselves we just think it's worth going for the 136k instead our final production test is Photoshop which benefits from a mix of thread count and single thread performance the 7600 performs respectively here beating the 12 600k by seven percent the 7600x shows a token two percent gain over the 7600 and PBO again it gets you barely anything over stock you need to step up to a 7700x or 13 about her k for meaningfully better performance though you'd have to spend well over 100 bucks more to get either one we'd recommend waiting to see our other ryzen 7000 non-x reviews first before making a final decision and those will be up within the next 12 to 24 hours or so the R5 7600 is a meaningful entry point to the am5 platform that doesn't give up a whole lot versus the X alternative except you do still have to put it into an am5 motherboard which the prices on those haven't really changed too much they're supposed to come down and the made a note of it in its CES keynote as of right now when we're filming they're not down maybe by the time the video comes up they will be but the motherboards need to move in price to really make this valuable anyway the retail price landscape is different from what AMD is putting on paper and that's where it gets a little different so we prepared this chart to help illustrate some of the differences if by the time this review goes live the 7600x is back to its original launch price of 300 that makes the 7600 look really good you're getting within about five percent of the performance for seventy dollars less it's even tighter in games however if the 7600x is still available at around 240 bucks like it was for several weeks at the end of 22 then it Paints the non-x as hard to distinguish and lacking purpose a 10 Gap isn't much to talk about and we'd probably just pay that for the marginal uplift out of the box or even potentially better resale value down the road that's something to consider too if you tend to sell your stuff when you're done with it having the X at the end who knows obviously but it might help a little bit with negotiating for getting that extra 10 bucks back later when you go yeah but it's the X version that's better and then they go I don't know what any of that means here's money gaming computer man now in the next tier up once we start considering Intel things get a little more interesting for Andy so the 13600k maintains significant value at this point it is more expensive but it's better in several situations if you can buy up and afford it keep in mind the motherboards maybe you have some better options there too to help level out the price a little bit the 7700x on the AMD side though is 350 to 400 we think it's too expensive to be relevant in most workloads uh it's probably the roughest one that AMD has right now compared to its own other parts and the Intel's Parts but we'll talk about that more on the 7700 review for a quick recap of some of the numbers from earlier in the video in blender we saw the 7600 was 26 faster than the 5600x the 7600 with PBO was four percent faster on average than the 7600 still in blender 7600x was five percent faster 12 600k was 14 faster which is still a good consideration and the 136k was 36 percent faster big difference in things like chromium code compile we saw the 7600 was 25 faster than the 56x and the rest of the results were basically the same as in blender with PBO we were down to only a two percent Advantage though with the 7600 to the PBO version then in things like Adobe Premiere we once again saw PBO doing almost nothing and the 7600x was seven percent better than the non-x as for gaming the differences are even less so here's a look at some of those charts we saw earlier in general the 7600 it's really similar to the 7600x there is not much appreciable difference in most instances PBO doesn't help as much as it probably will on the 7900 we'll look at that in the next couple reviews but overall basically what it comes down to is if there is a significant price cut like more than twenty dollars the 7600 non-x starts to make a lot of sense if it's like the same or 10 bucks maybe just get the X and maybe it's slightly better silicon quality if you're interested in overclocking no guarantee but any more than that it starts to make sense just buy the non-x and then PBO or overclock it if you really want the last like percentage point or two so there are some advantages in certain situations to having a lower power CPU out of the box most of them are its lower power out of the box you plug it in and you go and then if you're more enthusiasting client you can tune it if you want to you could also put the 7600x into eco mode and basically got the same power efficiency that you're seeing on this CPU a lot of people like to say but what about the cooler and the answer is it's just not that good it's fine for 65 watt TDP 88 Watts actual out of the box it'll work okay especially if your case has actual airflow in it and it's got a perforated front panel or better yet holes in the top because it'll pull air from the top if it's not exhaust then the that cooler is fine but if you're doing anything more with your system like you're overclocking at PBO uh you have more constrained case than a 20 cooler is a far better way to go but it adds the cost of the product obviously it's still cheaper than the xq because you have to buy cooler for that one anyway so that's it for this review this is one of those where it's like uh yeah it's it's better value we think and for most enthusiasts we think you should probably just save the money buy the non-x if you really care then tune it overclock it do PBO whatever and go for those last few percentage points but at least you save the money as long as you're willing to put in maybe an hour or so of tuning if you've done it before probably a couple hours if you've never done it before so that's it for this one thanks for watching as always subscribe for more go to store.gamersaccess.net to grab one of our limited disappointment build 2022 t-shirts it's got the list of the worst products from the year on the back of the shirt and the front has some artifact and gpus we have them in cotton and in Tri blend if you like a lighter weight or sportier feel to your shirts so that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe more we'll see you all next timeforeign just recently announced its non-x CPUs including the 7600 seventy seven hundred and seventy nine hundred in this video we're reviewing and benchmarking the 7600 non-x we have reviews of the 77 and 79 coming up next and for these what we're looking at is how is the value proposition versus the generally too expensive x-class 7000 series CPUs that was everyone's main problem with the 7000 series was compared to Intel the value was getting a little rough for AMD it was a different scenario than the last couple of years so now amd's dropping the prices but the non-x CPUs although technically they run slower they are fully unlocked so you can run them with PBO or overclock them and get most the way to an x-cpu that's one of the things we're gonna be looking at today in the review let's get started before that this video is brought to you by the height y60 the height y60 is one of the most unique cases to launch anytime recently coming in multiple color options like this bright red and it's also built for both water Cooling and Air cooling the case pays extreme attention to detail particularly with cable management paths like you can see with the quality rubber grommets that are always passed through and with split lower and upper chambers learn more at the link in the description below quick background to get everyone up to speed so the 7600 is a 6 core 12 thread part it's lower TDP at 65 Watts but TDP is not equal to power we'll talk about that more later the 7700 non-x is eight cores 12 threads and the 79 is 12 cores 24 threads now all of these are reduced TDP they all launch tomorrow at the time this video goes up so that'll be January 10 2023 and here's a quick table showing the basic spec on paper these are basically just power limited versions of the existing 7000 series CPUs all three are limited to 65 watt TDP and you can't compare this number to previous generations so keep that in mind they changed some of the numbers around other than that the maximum boost clocks are 100 to 200 megahertz lower than the x-class CPUs and the base clocks are considerably lower 900 megahertz lower in the case of the 7600 versus the 7600x that will come into play in the benchmarks they also come with coolers though the 7900 and 7700 get The Wraith prism and the 7600 we're reviewing also gets a wraith cooler but it's the stealth the stealth is the smallest of all of amd's stock coolers we're not entirely sure what happened to the middle and race Spire but it didn't make an appearance here now the biggest thing to keep in mind here is that Andy's original list prices for the x-class CPUs were far higher than they have been recently at what we call the street price or what it's actually available for from retailers so originally this price Gap would have been about 70 bucks 230 for the nonx 300 for the X pretty big difference very easy to start making a strong value comparison to the non-x however at the time we're filming this the and the prices have been climbing again but the x is available for around 250 bucks it has gone up a little bit it was 240 a couple weeks or a month ago um so the prices are fluctuating and we'll have to come to conclusions at the end we'll give you a couple options based on what we think the prices will most likely level out at but they've been cheaper lately which does make it a little weird for AMD with the non-x CPUs and we think based on what we've heard from talking to people within the industry that the non-x CPUs will likely also drop depending on what Intel pushes at the low end over the next couple months so prices are going to move around a lot which is great that means there's good competition motherboard is still far too expensive in general for am5 but that's a different different topic okay we're gonna get into the gaming benchmarks first then we'll go through Power efficiency power testing we'll also be talking about production capabilities and we'll come to a value judgment at the end we'll start off our gaming Suite of bench parks with Far Cry 6 at 1080p where we have good scaling throughout the stack with the 3090 TI and we have some 40 90 tests coming up in the 7700 review as well if you want to see those the ryzen 5 7600 placed at 155 FPS average on the chart only 3 FPS average behind the original 7600x and without meaningful change in the one percent loads this means that the X and non-x are functionally tied here and you won't notice any difference in the experience next we applied PBR Precision boost overdrive and the results were basically indistinguishable from stock since the change versus the 7600x is so small the non-x still has a healthy lead over the previous generation 5600x that said the 5800 x3d with its larger cache is still firmly the leading AMD CPU for Far Cry with 181 FPS average the 12600k is tied exactly with the 7600 and can be bought for about the same money for the KF version one potential Advan advantage to the 12 600k is a lower overall platform cost when using ddr4 as we move through the other charts we'll see if the performance of these two parts diverges up from that is the 13600k which holds a comfortable 19 lead over the 7600 But really is in the next price class up at about 320 dollars next is CS go at 1080p the 7600 Falls right in behind the 7600x at 387 FPS average firmly within variants of each other there's no performance difference between them along with the 7600 PBO results as well that's two games so far with the non-x holds up just like the X and here's why that is so even though the TDP is constrained in the non-x parts in gaming it is extremely uncommon for the CPU to pull all of the power that it would in an all-core production workload like say blender or compiling code so when you're playing games the load tends to bounce between the CPU and the GPU and other component Islands in a way where it's not typically going to run up against TDP or the PPT limits that are configured for the CPU and that's why a 7600x with a more unlocked configuration compared to a 7600 with a locked config basically look the same it's because they're not bouncing off of the power limit anyway so back to the Chart the 7600 outperforms the similarly priced 12 600k by 27 percent and even the more expensive 13 600k by six percent Zen 4 is showing up strong for CS go making the 7600 look like a good choice at 230 dollars this game is also an example of a situation where the 58x3d's cache doesn't provide much benefit at least as compared to Far Cry giving a lead of 13 to the 7600 if you've been hanging on to an early rise in CPU like a 2600 and aren't compelled to do an in socket upgrade this might be your moment the 7600 more than doubles the average frame rate for that CPU and a rains way better frame time consistency along with it moving to Final Fantasy 14 and the end Walker Benchmark we see all the ryzen 7000 CPUs are tightly packed relative to the 7600 Final Fantasy seems to utilize CPUs and the zenfor architecture similarly with Intel 13th gen CPUs performing higher and older ryzen CPU is performing worse as compared to the previous generations the 5800x3d is functionally tied with the 7600 as well the extra cash makes up for the missing core performance we can see the other side of that when looking at the 5600x which is outperformed by the 7600 by 19 as for Intel comparisons the 12600k is also tied with the 7600 But the 13600k comes out ahead by 17 percent for 90 dollars more in Rainbow Six Siege at 1080p the 7600 falls into a range of very similarly performing CPUs just over 600 FPS average we know it's not purely a GPU limitation due to the fact that the 13700k and 3900k are out ahead so we can chalk this up to other behaviors like game engine or driver overhead so in light of that the 7600 performs identically to itself under PBO the 7600x is the same 13600k is about the same and more the 5600x is predictably slower as is the 12 600k which allows an 11 lead to the 7600. there's not much else to say here so we'll move on now this next one is a GPU bound scenario so this is total war Warhammer 3. it's at 1080P and technically speaking it's useless as a CPU review comparison but it's useful for illustrating what happens when your GPU bound which is a big surprise they're all the same so the only reason we include this chart is to help people who are partic in particular who are new to the space new to building PCS understand that in CP reviews and GPU reviews you intentionally construct a scenario to show a difference with the part you're reviewing but in reality sometimes it's bound by something else so anyway let's get to the chart art so in total Warhammer 3 It suffers from poor scaling due to being generally held back by the graphics load and the memory load it's a good demonstration for what a limitation looks like but it's not useful for a CPU review the only thing you really see scaling from is something like a 2600. our final game Benchmark is shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p the 7600 ran at 253 FPS average and again tied with the 7600x so for all our game tests there's not really a reason to spend more on the X versus the non-x the 7600 is also the better pick over the 12600k as it outperformed the last ni5 by 14 this is also one of the rarer situations where the 13600k shows no benefit over the 7600 and as always this is why it's important to test different apis different games because not always the case that say Intel's direct competitors better or amds is better they'll trade depending on what the scenario is now as stated we have some 40 90 tests as well but we're going to debut those with the 7700 and 7900 because we've started to need the higher end GPU capability so we'll be looking at that soon so for TDP AMD tried to make some kind of Claim about gaming at ultra low power consumption and one of its presentation slides for the 7600 it compared to the 7600 at 65 watts versus the 13600k at 125 watts and AMD claimed the following quote the ryzen 5 7 600 runs at a low air cool friendly 65 watt TDP while the core i5 13600k consumes a much higher 125 watt TDP first of all CPUs don't consume TDP AMD they consume electricity power uh this quote is phenomenally stupid in a lot of ways AMD has been playing screwy games with TDP for a very long time we published a deep dive on it years ago they haven't changed and these formulation for TDP is such that you cannot even compare the 5000 series to the 7000 series so this is silly it's not possible nor is it I mean it's it's just strictly disingenuous to compare CPU power consumption cross brand by using TDP which for AMD is not derived from power watts does not appear in the TDP formula except at the end of it when they just slap a w on to the number that calculates out from TK's T ambient which is temperature for both of those and for the thermal resistance of the cooler strapped to the CPU so AMD let's just stop with the slimy bullsh Petty marketing and use real numbers 88 Watts for yours and then we'll show enthals in our power testing those are the numbers you can use come on let's not do the Radeon group thing and start playing thumb games when you don't have to you can't see but you can feel it to prove the point about Watts not equal in Watts we'll start the tests off with all core power consumption this is measured at the 12 volt cables to isolate down to just the cpu's power draw not the full system the ryzen 5 7600 at stock pulled an average of 88 Watts the particularly astute to Manu May notice that 88 is higher than 65. AMD has another number called PPT or package of power tracking this acts as a limit for how much actual power in actual watts the CPU consumes the pvt for the 7600 is 88 Watts so the limit works as intended here if we could just get AMD marketing to report the PBT instead of or alongside TDP that'd be great but back to the Chart the 88 watt number is less than the original 7600x which measured at 116 Watts that's the 32 percent higher than the non-x new part kind of impressive considering they're basically the same part with different Power limits even when we applied PBO to the 7600 it still used less power than the X and despite lower non-x power draw the previous generation 5600x is lower still pulling only 67 Watts overall the 7600 is relatively well behaved out of the box and won't put a preachable strain on any halfway decent vrm or cooler when compared to Intel's 12th and 13th gen i5s the 12600k uses 35 more power than the 7600 and the 13600k at 161 Watts uses nearly double the power the 13600k is going to be faster in basically any scenario but it does so at the cost of power consumption our next test measures CPU efficiency by doing a simple calculation between the energy consumed versus the amount of work completed and time is a variable here so we allow them to run until they finish the workload and then we look at how much power did it consume during that work how long did it take to complete the work what is the result in efficiency in Watt hours so if you use eco mode the efficiency has been there but if you don't use eco mode with the excuse It's very inefficient by comparison these are basically eco mode xq CPUs without the X so let's take a look at the numbers the 7600 calculated to 24.4 Watt hours making it 20 percent more efficient than the original 7600x and place it at just above the 5600x this along with the 7950x's Eco Mode results really shows how much being efficient comes down to just the tuning of the part losing efficiency could be okay if you make up for it with raw performance in this case that'd be the time to complete the render so let's get into that next our first production Benchmark is blender where we measure the completion time of a custom GM logo render designed to provide good scaling across various textures since we're measuring time in this charge lower is better the ryzen 5 7600 completed the render in 16.7 minutes establishing itself in the middle of our charge and just ahead of the 5800x3d the extra cash doesn't help here the 7600x is five percent faster than the new 7600 non-x showing the relatively minor uplifts afforded by the extra power budget with PBO applied to the 7600 the gap between it and the 7600x Narrows to a functionally meaningless level there's still a technical advantage to the 7600x but it's not enough for anyone to actually notice the new 7600 is better value than the original X whether or not you apply PBO and looking generationally the 7600 is at 26 faster than the 5600x which launched at a price of three hundred dollars motherboard costs remain high but at least it's moving in the right direction down for price that is Intel's previous generation I5 12 600 K finished the render 14 faster than the 7600 the 12600k is selling for about 250 right now making it a better deal for this kind of workload the newer 13600k which won our best overall CPU of 2022 tested at 36 percent faster than the 7600. it's a major uplift but the 90 difference between the 76 and the 136k renders the comparison a little less impactful if your budget is strict next up is our code compile Benchmark where we measure the time it takes to fully compile chromium from a source lower is again better overall the lineup is mostly the same as in blender as it's also a highly threaded task that said a few Intel CPUs have traded places with their nearest AMD neighbors the R5 7600 completed the task in 86.8 minutes tying with the eight core 5800x six Zen four cores can generally do the job of eight Zen three cores in most but not all situations and that remains true here apply and PBO doesn't get as much out of the 7600 as it did in blender it's barely moving the needle the 7600x is about five percent ahead of the non-x here as well scaling versus the unlocked i-5s is nearly identical the 12 600k completed 14 faster than the 7600 and the 136k was 37 faster you're making Intel a better value at this price class file compression is next we test using 7-Zip and the scores are in millions of instructions per second or mips and the higher is better the R5 7600 is functionally tied with several other CPUs including the 58x3d and the 12 6K PBO doesn't change anything the 7600x scrapes out a three percent lead over the non-x for a tactical lead but not one that matters the 12700 KF and the 7700x are faster but if you're stepping up your budget into the low 300s you might as well go for the 13600k as it boasts a large 40 lead over the 7600. decompression has better scaling between CPUs and the stack the R5 7600 lands predictably between in the 3700x and the 7600x on our chart and the 7600 holds a 16 lead over the 5600x showing decent generational Improvement the non-x R5 also manages to beat the 12 600k for the first time in our suite posting a six percent advantage over the I5 due to Zen's inherent gains in decompression one interesting observation is that compared to the compression test the last gen 5800x with its eight cores LeapFrogs the 7600 by 17 percent here the 5800x can be had for around 240 bucks an hour and so on the less expensive but dead on platform it's worth considering still the 13600k as a last Point runs 29 better than the 7600 But it's also a higher price tier our last set of tests is in the Adobe suite starting with Premiere the score is an aggregate built from a standardized set of filters transforms live playback and scrubbing and more the 7600 lands near the middle of our charge just be behind the 5800x applying PBO gives it a tiny bump but not one equal to a 7600x which performed seven percent higher than the non-x this gives the new R5 a better value proposition bearing in mind the pricing caveats mentioned earlier despite the stronger overall value we can't recommend the 7600 for Premiere as a primary work function it's not as bad as an entry point to am5 but you'd be better served by Intel's I5 options the 12600k posts a 9 lead over the 7600 and the 13600k is closer to a 20 lead as Premier users ourselves we just think it's worth going for the 136k instead our final production test is Photoshop which benefits from a mix of thread count and single thread performance the 7600 performs respectively here beating the 12 600k by seven percent the 7600x shows a token two percent gain over the 7600 and PBO again it gets you barely anything over stock you need to step up to a 7700x or 13 about her k for meaningfully better performance though you'd have to spend well over 100 bucks more to get either one we'd recommend waiting to see our other ryzen 7000 non-x reviews first before making a final decision and those will be up within the next 12 to 24 hours or so the R5 7600 is a meaningful entry point to the am5 platform that doesn't give up a whole lot versus the X alternative except you do still have to put it into an am5 motherboard which the prices on those haven't really changed too much they're supposed to come down and the made a note of it in its CES keynote as of right now when we're filming they're not down maybe by the time the video comes up they will be but the motherboards need to move in price to really make this valuable anyway the retail price landscape is different from what AMD is putting on paper and that's where it gets a little different so we prepared this chart to help illustrate some of the differences if by the time this review goes live the 7600x is back to its original launch price of 300 that makes the 7600 look really good you're getting within about five percent of the performance for seventy dollars less it's even tighter in games however if the 7600x is still available at around 240 bucks like it was for several weeks at the end of 22 then it Paints the non-x as hard to distinguish and lacking purpose a 10 Gap isn't much to talk about and we'd probably just pay that for the marginal uplift out of the box or even potentially better resale value down the road that's something to consider too if you tend to sell your stuff when you're done with it having the X at the end who knows obviously but it might help a little bit with negotiating for getting that extra 10 bucks back later when you go yeah but it's the X version that's better and then they go I don't know what any of that means here's money gaming computer man now in the next tier up once we start considering Intel things get a little more interesting for Andy so the 13600k maintains significant value at this point it is more expensive but it's better in several situations if you can buy up and afford it keep in mind the motherboards maybe you have some better options there too to help level out the price a little bit the 7700x on the AMD side though is 350 to 400 we think it's too expensive to be relevant in most workloads uh it's probably the roughest one that AMD has right now compared to its own other parts and the Intel's Parts but we'll talk about that more on the 7700 review for a quick recap of some of the numbers from earlier in the video in blender we saw the 7600 was 26 faster than the 5600x the 7600 with PBO was four percent faster on average than the 7600 still in blender 7600x was five percent faster 12 600k was 14 faster which is still a good consideration and the 136k was 36 percent faster big difference in things like chromium code compile we saw the 7600 was 25 faster than the 56x and the rest of the results were basically the same as in blender with PBO we were down to only a two percent Advantage though with the 7600 to the PBO version then in things like Adobe Premiere we once again saw PBO doing almost nothing and the 7600x was seven percent better than the non-x as for gaming the differences are even less so here's a look at some of those charts we saw earlier in general the 7600 it's really similar to the 7600x there is not much appreciable difference in most instances PBO doesn't help as much as it probably will on the 7900 we'll look at that in the next couple reviews but overall basically what it comes down to is if there is a significant price cut like more than twenty dollars the 7600 non-x starts to make a lot of sense if it's like the same or 10 bucks maybe just get the X and maybe it's slightly better silicon quality if you're interested in overclocking no guarantee but any more than that it starts to make sense just buy the non-x and then PBO or overclock it if you really want the last like percentage point or two so there are some advantages in certain situations to having a lower power CPU out of the box most of them are its lower power out of the box you plug it in and you go and then if you're more enthusiasting client you can tune it if you want to you could also put the 7600x into eco mode and basically got the same power efficiency that you're seeing on this CPU a lot of people like to say but what about the cooler and the answer is it's just not that good it's fine for 65 watt TDP 88 Watts actual out of the box it'll work okay especially if your case has actual airflow in it and it's got a perforated front panel or better yet holes in the top because it'll pull air from the top if it's not exhaust then the that cooler is fine but if you're doing anything more with your system like you're overclocking at PBO uh you have more constrained case than a 20 cooler is a far better way to go but it adds the cost of the product obviously it's still cheaper than the xq because you have to buy cooler for that one anyway so that's it for this review this is one of those where it's like uh yeah it's it's better value we think and for most enthusiasts we think you should probably just save the money buy the non-x if you really care then tune it overclock it do PBO whatever and go for those last few percentage points but at least you save the money as long as you're willing to put in maybe an hour or so of tuning if you've done it before probably a couple hours if you've never done it before so that's it for this one thanks for watching as always subscribe for more go to store.gamersaccess.net to grab one of our limited disappointment build 2022 t-shirts it's got the list of the worst products from the year on the back of the shirt and the front has some artifact and gpus we have them in cotton and in Tri blend if you like a lighter weight or sportier feel to your shirts so that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe more we'll see you all next timeforeign just recently announced its non-x CPUs including the 7600 seventy seven hundred and seventy nine hundred in this video we're reviewing and benchmarking the 7600 non-x we have reviews of the 77 and 79 coming up next and for these what we're looking at is how is the value proposition versus the generally too expensive x-class 7000 series CPUs that was everyone's main problem with the 7000 series was compared to Intel the value was getting a little rough for AMD it was a different scenario than the last couple of years so now amd's dropping the prices but the non-x CPUs although technically they run slower they are fully unlocked so you can run them with PBO or overclock them and get most the way to an x-cpu that's one of the things we're gonna be looking at today in the review let's get started before that this video is brought to you by the height y60 the height y60 is one of the most unique cases to launch anytime recently coming in multiple color options like this bright red and it's also built for both water Cooling and Air cooling the case pays extreme attention to detail particularly with cable management paths like you can see with the quality rubber grommets that are always passed through and with split lower and upper chambers learn more at the link in the description below quick background to get everyone up to speed so the 7600 is a 6 core 12 thread part it's lower TDP at 65 Watts but TDP is not equal to power we'll talk about that more later the 7700 non-x is eight cores 12 threads and the 79 is 12 cores 24 threads now all of these are reduced TDP they all launch tomorrow at the time this video goes up so that'll be January 10 2023 and here's a quick table showing the basic spec on paper these are basically just power limited versions of the existing 7000 series CPUs all three are limited to 65 watt TDP and you can't compare this number to previous generations so keep that in mind they changed some of the numbers around other than that the maximum boost clocks are 100 to 200 megahertz lower than the x-class CPUs and the base clocks are considerably lower 900 megahertz lower in the case of the 7600 versus the 7600x that will come into play in the benchmarks they also come with coolers though the 7900 and 7700 get The Wraith prism and the 7600 we're reviewing also gets a wraith cooler but it's the stealth the stealth is the smallest of all of amd's stock coolers we're not entirely sure what happened to the middle and race Spire but it didn't make an appearance here now the biggest thing to keep in mind here is that Andy's original list prices for the x-class CPUs were far higher than they have been recently at what we call the street price or what it's actually available for from retailers so originally this price Gap would have been about 70 bucks 230 for the nonx 300 for the X pretty big difference very easy to start making a strong value comparison to the non-x however at the time we're filming this the and the prices have been climbing again but the x is available for around 250 bucks it has gone up a little bit it was 240 a couple weeks or a month ago um so the prices are fluctuating and we'll have to come to conclusions at the end we'll give you a couple options based on what we think the prices will most likely level out at but they've been cheaper lately which does make it a little weird for AMD with the non-x CPUs and we think based on what we've heard from talking to people within the industry that the non-x CPUs will likely also drop depending on what Intel pushes at the low end over the next couple months so prices are going to move around a lot which is great that means there's good competition motherboard is still far too expensive in general for am5 but that's a different different topic okay we're gonna get into the gaming benchmarks first then we'll go through Power efficiency power testing we'll also be talking about production capabilities and we'll come to a value judgment at the end we'll start off our gaming Suite of bench parks with Far Cry 6 at 1080p where we have good scaling throughout the stack with the 3090 TI and we have some 40 90 tests coming up in the 7700 review as well if you want to see those the ryzen 5 7600 placed at 155 FPS average on the chart only 3 FPS average behind the original 7600x and without meaningful change in the one percent loads this means that the X and non-x are functionally tied here and you won't notice any difference in the experience next we applied PBR Precision boost overdrive and the results were basically indistinguishable from stock since the change versus the 7600x is so small the non-x still has a healthy lead over the previous generation 5600x that said the 5800 x3d with its larger cache is still firmly the leading AMD CPU for Far Cry with 181 FPS average the 12600k is tied exactly with the 7600 and can be bought for about the same money for the KF version one potential Advan advantage to the 12 600k is a lower overall platform cost when using ddr4 as we move through the other charts we'll see if the performance of these two parts diverges up from that is the 13600k which holds a comfortable 19 lead over the 7600 But really is in the next price class up at about 320 dollars next is CS go at 1080p the 7600 Falls right in behind the 7600x at 387 FPS average firmly within variants of each other there's no performance difference between them along with the 7600 PBO results as well that's two games so far with the non-x holds up just like the X and here's why that is so even though the TDP is constrained in the non-x parts in gaming it is extremely uncommon for the CPU to pull all of the power that it would in an all-core production workload like say blender or compiling code so when you're playing games the load tends to bounce between the CPU and the GPU and other component Islands in a way where it's not typically going to run up against TDP or the PPT limits that are configured for the CPU and that's why a 7600x with a more unlocked configuration compared to a 7600 with a locked config basically look the same it's because they're not bouncing off of the power limit anyway so back to the Chart the 7600 outperforms the similarly priced 12 600k by 27 percent and even the more expensive 13 600k by six percent Zen 4 is showing up strong for CS go making the 7600 look like a good choice at 230 dollars this game is also an example of a situation where the 58x3d's cache doesn't provide much benefit at least as compared to Far Cry giving a lead of 13 to the 7600 if you've been hanging on to an early rise in CPU like a 2600 and aren't compelled to do an in socket upgrade this might be your moment the 7600 more than doubles the average frame rate for that CPU and a rains way better frame time consistency along with it moving to Final Fantasy 14 and the end Walker Benchmark we see all the ryzen 7000 CPUs are tightly packed relative to the 7600 Final Fantasy seems to utilize CPUs and the zenfor architecture similarly with Intel 13th gen CPUs performing higher and older ryzen CPU is performing worse as compared to the previous generations the 5800x3d is functionally tied with the 7600 as well the extra cash makes up for the missing core performance we can see the other side of that when looking at the 5600x which is outperformed by the 7600 by 19 as for Intel comparisons the 12600k is also tied with the 7600 But the 13600k comes out ahead by 17 percent for 90 dollars more in Rainbow Six Siege at 1080p the 7600 falls into a range of very similarly performing CPUs just over 600 FPS average we know it's not purely a GPU limitation due to the fact that the 13700k and 3900k are out ahead so we can chalk this up to other behaviors like game engine or driver overhead so in light of that the 7600 performs identically to itself under PBO the 7600x is the same 13600k is about the same and more the 5600x is predictably slower as is the 12 600k which allows an 11 lead to the 7600. there's not much else to say here so we'll move on now this next one is a GPU bound scenario so this is total war Warhammer 3. it's at 1080P and technically speaking it's useless as a CPU review comparison but it's useful for illustrating what happens when your GPU bound which is a big surprise they're all the same so the only reason we include this chart is to help people who are partic in particular who are new to the space new to building PCS understand that in CP reviews and GPU reviews you intentionally construct a scenario to show a difference with the part you're reviewing but in reality sometimes it's bound by something else so anyway let's get to the chart art so in total Warhammer 3 It suffers from poor scaling due to being generally held back by the graphics load and the memory load it's a good demonstration for what a limitation looks like but it's not useful for a CPU review the only thing you really see scaling from is something like a 2600. our final game Benchmark is shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p the 7600 ran at 253 FPS average and again tied with the 7600x so for all our game tests there's not really a reason to spend more on the X versus the non-x the 7600 is also the better pick over the 12600k as it outperformed the last ni5 by 14 this is also one of the rarer situations where the 13600k shows no benefit over the 7600 and as always this is why it's important to test different apis different games because not always the case that say Intel's direct competitors better or amds is better they'll trade depending on what the scenario is now as stated we have some 40 90 tests as well but we're going to debut those with the 7700 and 7900 because we've started to need the higher end GPU capability so we'll be looking at that soon so for TDP AMD tried to make some kind of Claim about gaming at ultra low power consumption and one of its presentation slides for the 7600 it compared to the 7600 at 65 watts versus the 13600k at 125 watts and AMD claimed the following quote the ryzen 5 7 600 runs at a low air cool friendly 65 watt TDP while the core i5 13600k consumes a much higher 125 watt TDP first of all CPUs don't consume TDP AMD they consume electricity power uh this quote is phenomenally stupid in a lot of ways AMD has been playing screwy games with TDP for a very long time we published a deep dive on it years ago they haven't changed and these formulation for TDP is such that you cannot even compare the 5000 series to the 7000 series so this is silly it's not possible nor is it I mean it's it's just strictly disingenuous to compare CPU power consumption cross brand by using TDP which for AMD is not derived from power watts does not appear in the TDP formula except at the end of it when they just slap a w on to the number that calculates out from TK's T ambient which is temperature for both of those and for the thermal resistance of the cooler strapped to the CPU so AMD let's just stop with the slimy bullsh Petty marketing and use real numbers 88 Watts for yours and then we'll show enthals in our power testing those are the numbers you can use come on let's not do the Radeon group thing and start playing thumb games when you don't have to you can't see but you can feel it to prove the point about Watts not equal in Watts we'll start the tests off with all core power consumption this is measured at the 12 volt cables to isolate down to just the cpu's power draw not the full system the ryzen 5 7600 at stock pulled an average of 88 Watts the particularly astute to Manu May notice that 88 is higher than 65. AMD has another number called PPT or package of power tracking this acts as a limit for how much actual power in actual watts the CPU consumes the pvt for the 7600 is 88 Watts so the limit works as intended here if we could just get AMD marketing to report the PBT instead of or alongside TDP that'd be great but back to the Chart the 88 watt number is less than the original 7600x which measured at 116 Watts that's the 32 percent higher than the non-x new part kind of impressive considering they're basically the same part with different Power limits even when we applied PBO to the 7600 it still used less power than the X and despite lower non-x power draw the previous generation 5600x is lower still pulling only 67 Watts overall the 7600 is relatively well behaved out of the box and won't put a preachable strain on any halfway decent vrm or cooler when compared to Intel's 12th and 13th gen i5s the 12600k uses 35 more power than the 7600 and the 13600k at 161 Watts uses nearly double the power the 13600k is going to be faster in basically any scenario but it does so at the cost of power consumption our next test measures CPU efficiency by doing a simple calculation between the energy consumed versus the amount of work completed and time is a variable here so we allow them to run until they finish the workload and then we look at how much power did it consume during that work how long did it take to complete the work what is the result in efficiency in Watt hours so if you use eco mode the efficiency has been there but if you don't use eco mode with the excuse It's very inefficient by comparison these are basically eco mode xq CPUs without the X so let's take a look at the numbers the 7600 calculated to 24.4 Watt hours making it 20 percent more efficient than the original 7600x and place it at just above the 5600x this along with the 7950x's Eco Mode results really shows how much being efficient comes down to just the tuning of the part losing efficiency could be okay if you make up for it with raw performance in this case that'd be the time to complete the render so let's get into that next our first production Benchmark is blender where we measure the completion time of a custom GM logo render designed to provide good scaling across various textures since we're measuring time in this charge lower is better the ryzen 5 7600 completed the render in 16.7 minutes establishing itself in the middle of our charge and just ahead of the 5800x3d the extra cash doesn't help here the 7600x is five percent faster than the new 7600 non-x showing the relatively minor uplifts afforded by the extra power budget with PBO applied to the 7600 the gap between it and the 7600x Narrows to a functionally meaningless level there's still a technical advantage to the 7600x but it's not enough for anyone to actually notice the new 7600 is better value than the original X whether or not you apply PBO and looking generationally the 7600 is at 26 faster than the 5600x which launched at a price of three hundred dollars motherboard costs remain high but at least it's moving in the right direction down for price that is Intel's previous generation I5 12 600 K finished the render 14 faster than the 7600 the 12600k is selling for about 250 right now making it a better deal for this kind of workload the newer 13600k which won our best overall CPU of 2022 tested at 36 percent faster than the 7600. it's a major uplift but the 90 difference between the 76 and the 136k renders the comparison a little less impactful if your budget is strict next up is our code compile Benchmark where we measure the time it takes to fully compile chromium from a source lower is again better overall the lineup is mostly the same as in blender as it's also a highly threaded task that said a few Intel CPUs have traded places with their nearest AMD neighbors the R5 7600 completed the task in 86.8 minutes tying with the eight core 5800x six Zen four cores can generally do the job of eight Zen three cores in most but not all situations and that remains true here apply and PBO doesn't get as much out of the 7600 as it did in blender it's barely moving the needle the 7600x is about five percent ahead of the non-x here as well scaling versus the unlocked i-5s is nearly identical the 12 600k completed 14 faster than the 7600 and the 136k was 37 faster you're making Intel a better value at this price class file compression is next we test using 7-Zip and the scores are in millions of instructions per second or mips and the higher is better the R5 7600 is functionally tied with several other CPUs including the 58x3d and the 12 6K PBO doesn't change anything the 7600x scrapes out a three percent lead over the non-x for a tactical lead but not one that matters the 12700 KF and the 7700x are faster but if you're stepping up your budget into the low 300s you might as well go for the 13600k as it boasts a large 40 lead over the 7600. decompression has better scaling between CPUs and the stack the R5 7600 lands predictably between in the 3700x and the 7600x on our chart and the 7600 holds a 16 lead over the 5600x showing decent generational Improvement the non-x R5 also manages to beat the 12 600k for the first time in our suite posting a six percent advantage over the I5 due to Zen's inherent gains in decompression one interesting observation is that compared to the compression test the last gen 5800x with its eight cores LeapFrogs the 7600 by 17 percent here the 5800x can be had for around 240 bucks an hour and so on the less expensive but dead on platform it's worth considering still the 13600k as a last Point runs 29 better than the 7600 But it's also a higher price tier our last set of tests is in the Adobe suite starting with Premiere the score is an aggregate built from a standardized set of filters transforms live playback and scrubbing and more the 7600 lands near the middle of our charge just be behind the 5800x applying PBO gives it a tiny bump but not one equal to a 7600x which performed seven percent higher than the non-x this gives the new R5 a better value proposition bearing in mind the pricing caveats mentioned earlier despite the stronger overall value we can't recommend the 7600 for Premiere as a primary work function it's not as bad as an entry point to am5 but you'd be better served by Intel's I5 options the 12600k posts a 9 lead over the 7600 and the 13600k is closer to a 20 lead as Premier users ourselves we just think it's worth going for the 136k instead our final production test is Photoshop which benefits from a mix of thread count and single thread performance the 7600 performs respectively here beating the 12 600k by seven percent the 7600x shows a token two percent gain over the 7600 and PBO again it gets you barely anything over stock you need to step up to a 7700x or 13 about her k for meaningfully better performance though you'd have to spend well over 100 bucks more to get either one we'd recommend waiting to see our other ryzen 7000 non-x reviews first before making a final decision and those will be up within the next 12 to 24 hours or so the R5 7600 is a meaningful entry point to the am5 platform that doesn't give up a whole lot versus the X alternative except you do still have to put it into an am5 motherboard which the prices on those haven't really changed too much they're supposed to come down and the made a note of it in its CES keynote as of right now when we're filming they're not down maybe by the time the video comes up they will be but the motherboards need to move in price to really make this valuable anyway the retail price landscape is different from what AMD is putting on paper and that's where it gets a little different so we prepared this chart to help illustrate some of the differences if by the time this review goes live the 7600x is back to its original launch price of 300 that makes the 7600 look really good you're getting within about five percent of the performance for seventy dollars less it's even tighter in games however if the 7600x is still available at around 240 bucks like it was for several weeks at the end of 22 then it Paints the non-x as hard to distinguish and lacking purpose a 10 Gap isn't much to talk about and we'd probably just pay that for the marginal uplift out of the box or even potentially better resale value down the road that's something to consider too if you tend to sell your stuff when you're done with it having the X at the end who knows obviously but it might help a little bit with negotiating for getting that extra 10 bucks back later when you go yeah but it's the X version that's better and then they go I don't know what any of that means here's money gaming computer man now in the next tier up once we start considering Intel things get a little more interesting for Andy so the 13600k maintains significant value at this point it is more expensive but it's better in several situations if you can buy up and afford it keep in mind the motherboards maybe you have some better options there too to help level out the price a little bit the 7700x on the AMD side though is 350 to 400 we think it's too expensive to be relevant in most workloads uh it's probably the roughest one that AMD has right now compared to its own other parts and the Intel's Parts but we'll talk about that more on the 7700 review for a quick recap of some of the numbers from earlier in the video in blender we saw the 7600 was 26 faster than the 5600x the 7600 with PBO was four percent faster on average than the 7600 still in blender 7600x was five percent faster 12 600k was 14 faster which is still a good consideration and the 136k was 36 percent faster big difference in things like chromium code compile we saw the 7600 was 25 faster than the 56x and the rest of the results were basically the same as in blender with PBO we were down to only a two percent Advantage though with the 7600 to the PBO version then in things like Adobe Premiere we once again saw PBO doing almost nothing and the 7600x was seven percent better than the non-x as for gaming the differences are even less so here's a look at some of those charts we saw earlier in general the 7600 it's really similar to the 7600x there is not much appreciable difference in most instances PBO doesn't help as much as it probably will on the 7900 we'll look at that in the next couple reviews but overall basically what it comes down to is if there is a significant price cut like more than twenty dollars the 7600 non-x starts to make a lot of sense if it's like the same or 10 bucks maybe just get the X and maybe it's slightly better silicon quality if you're interested in overclocking no guarantee but any more than that it starts to make sense just buy the non-x and then PBO or overclock it if you really want the last like percentage point or two so there are some advantages in certain situations to having a lower power CPU out of the box most of them are its lower power out of the box you plug it in and you go and then if you're more enthusiasting client you can tune it if you want to you could also put the 7600x into eco mode and basically got the same power efficiency that you're seeing on this CPU a lot of people like to say but what about the cooler and the answer is it's just not that good it's fine for 65 watt TDP 88 Watts actual out of the box it'll work okay especially if your case has actual airflow in it and it's got a perforated front panel or better yet holes in the top because it'll pull air from the top if it's not exhaust then the that cooler is fine but if you're doing anything more with your system like you're overclocking at PBO uh you have more constrained case than a 20 cooler is a far better way to go but it adds the cost of the product obviously it's still cheaper than the xq because you have to buy cooler for that one anyway so that's it for this review this is one of those where it's like uh yeah it's it's better value we think and for most enthusiasts we think you should probably just save the money buy the non-x if you really care then tune it overclock it do PBO whatever and go for those last few percentage points but at least you save the money as long as you're willing to put in maybe an hour or so of tuning if you've done it before probably a couple hours if you've never done it before so that's it for this one thanks for watching as always subscribe for more go to store.gamersaccess.net to grab one of our limited disappointment build 2022 t-shirts it's got the list of the worst products from the year on the back of the shirt and the front has some artifact and gpus we have them in cotton and in Tri blend if you like a lighter weight or sportier feel to your shirts so that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe more we'll see you all next time\n"