R34 GTR BACK FROM PAINT!

The Art of Twin-Turbo Engine Building: A Skyline R34 Experiment

As we delve into the world of twin-turbo engine building, particularly for the Nissan R34 Skyline, it's essential to understand the intricacies and challenges involved. The goal is to create an engine that not only produces impressive power but also delivers a driving experience that's both exhilarating and manageable.

The decision to pursue a twin-turbo setup for the R34 Skyline was made with one primary objective in mind: to harness the engine's potential while minimizing restrictions. By optimizing the engine's design, we aim to push past perceived limitations and unlock hidden reserves of power. The engine, featuring a solid lifter and designed to thrive at high RPMs, is an excellent candidate for this endeavor.

One key aspect to consider is porting. With advancements in technology, it's now possible to fine-tune the engine's performance by carefully shaping the combustion chamber. By pouring our expertise into porting, we can create a more efficient combustion process, resulting in increased power output and improved fuel efficiency. The stock manifold will be used as a starting point, with careful analysis and experimentation aimed at extracting every last bit of performance.

Another crucial aspect to consider is exhaust system design. A high-performance engine often relies on the exhaust system to optimize power delivery. In this case, we'll be installing a four-inch titanium exhaust system, designed to minimize restrictions and maximize flow. While the exhaust housing itself may pose a limitation, our focus will be on ensuring that the actual turbocharger components are not restricted by their design.

Garrett Turbines has been an invaluable resource in our research, providing us with access to detailed information about their turbos. By comparing data points from twin-turbo and single-turbo setups, we hope to gain a deeper understanding of the differences between these two configurations. The Garrett turbine wheels will play a critical role in determining the engine's power output, and we're excited to put our findings into practice.

To further enhance our knowledge, we'll be collecting data points on various aspects of the engine, including back pressure and turbocharger performance. By analyzing this data, we can identify areas for improvement and refine our design to optimize power delivery. This will involve closely monitoring the engine's behavior during testing and making adjustments as needed.

One potential pitfall to consider is the impact of porting on the engine's power output. While a well-designed port job can result in significant gains, it also carries the risk of creating excessive boost pressure. Our approach will be to carefully monitor the engine's performance during testing, taking steps to mitigate any issues that arise.

Serviceability is another critical aspect to consider when designing a high-performance engine. With complex systems like this, maintenance and repairs can become increasingly difficult. We're acutely aware of the potential challenges involved in maintaining and servicing this engine, which is why we'll be prioritizing simplicity and ease of access whenever possible.

In terms of the future, we envision the possibility of upgrading to a stroker configuration in the near future. This would involve significantly modifying the engine's crankshaft and connecting rods, allowing for increased displacement and further gains in power output. However, this will require careful consideration of the engine's overall design and compatibility with existing components.

The project has been well-received by fans of the Skyline, who are eager to see how a twin-turbo setup can be applied to this iconic vehicle. As we move forward with the testing and development phase, we'll be sharing our progress and insights through regular updates and videos. Our goal is to create an engine that not only delivers exceptional power output but also provides a driving experience that's both exhilarating and enjoyable.

In conclusion, the pursuit of twin-turbo engine building for the Nissan R34 Skyline is an exciting and challenging endeavor. By combining our expertise with cutting-edge technology, we aim to unlock the full potential of this legendary engine and create a truly exceptional driving experience.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhi guys welcome to today's video as I told you at the end of the last video the r34 is back from paint I'm about to see it for the first time and I could not be more excited probably the worst color to look at in this type of lighting does it I'm excited I'm not gonna go into full detail as to why I'm not very happy the paint job it was not done by one of my local usual guys that I go to as I did say I just want to be totally transparent that it wasn't anything that they messed up but I was very very bummed just because there was a lot of dirt in the clear and thankfully Alberto reminded me that I have this piece that covers up a lot of imperfections on the radiator supports that was gonna drive me nuts but I mean it looks better than it did before so I just have to be happy I just I'm trying to have such a high attention to detail and be such a perfectionist with this builders me really really hard for me it's a little thing again drive me nuts pretty much all your guys orders from last week's little drop are now and route to you guys and I just want to be super be sure of that we've got a bunch of the cool new stuff coming out you guys weigh the mass the pink hoodies we have an archway of track hats that are going out today and then we pretty much sold out of those masks like overnight we're doing another small drop with those and two other new pieces so we've got the mask this time in a little different colorway we did the pink to match all the other merch I thought it'd be a cool little different thing to do then we did a small run with the Shogun embroidered logo on some dad hats and some hoodies these are the same hoodies as the other ones super soft I want to do a different color because in past we've only done pink and black so I thought the Burgundy was kind of cool but that stuff's live now as I mentioned before if you get two of any of the new stuff discussed in this video we'll hook you guys up with extra stickers and I'm always super depreciated of the support what I didn't really mention when we got the car back from paint just because it it was definitely a shock to all of us I was trying to maintain being upset the whole entire car is covered in overspray and Matt was able to get a little bit of it off with clay but it seems like the whole cars going to need to be repolished which is a super bummer after it had such a nice coating and like a perfect correction that to have it messed up this is a mega bummer we'll get it back but I was definitely not the most stoked thing to see and yeah but on top of that the subframe was painted and we're removing anyway because I'm gonna go get a powder-coated but it's kind of funny I've got that midnight pickle three subframe now this build is definitely scope creepin everywhere I look it's like I'm messaging terra firma like yo can you give me new boots for this or new clips for this or new tie rods and now I'm looking at the rack and it's a little leaky so I'm gonna see if I can get to rebuild this one and make it all pretty like he does on all the drift cars but just everywhere I look it's just like whoa I got to do that I got to do that to where I don't know it's gonna be fun and different but it's gonna be time-consuming for sure Alberto's finishing up pulling the subframe and I started pulling apart the front bumper so I could take all this mesh that's kind of gotten a little bit rusty it's kind of hard to see in camera because the camera doesn't to focus but you kind of see it through the bumper so I'm gonna scotch-brite it up spray some new black on it and refresh it but I also have a set of new emblems as well to freshen up all the badges on the car I know the final note I was gonna make a joke but you take it right into my mouth - look at these sick painted brackets bro that's some spicy stuff right here please reference our audio frame Alberto the wrong side wrong side wrong one bro haha actually it's good dancer the car is so light right now I feel literally lifted my hands like really you show me well you really want me to show you what if it falls on camera no I got the front we'll go bring it over by the door got it that's a big subframe thankfully we have a really good relationship with local powder coater so we're gonna go drop this off he's actually got a lot of the brackets already done for us but this thing is just gonna get om satin black just look nice and fresh be ashame taking off all that purple blood I know you do so we can start assembling stuff because we don't have the hardware back from Zink yet but this is our first box of powder-coated pieces and this satin black came out perfect look super OEM and now everything looks brand-new check it out came out super nice all these pieces even the horns I didn't know there's gonna be able to do the horns I guess the horns but maybe he didn't do the horns actually or maybe he just did a little brackets what do look at this alberta right so good yeah it is I think this is this was a bumper bracket Alberto this looks like brand-new that's awesome this looks like Oh am suffering black no that's that's what I told them a match just like a not too shiny but yeah I'm pumped on this the very last arrow pieces for the 36 have finally arrived I think I've told you guys in videos before that I ordered a new hood for the 36 and that's why I felt ok cutting the hole for the hood dump so now we have a new trunk and a new hood and we're about to open them up I think because this is made to order it kind of made me extra excited just cuz I've been waiting for so long that like the anticipation makes it that much worthwhile versus if I just ordered and got instant gratification palm not only do the GTR style vents look cool but i think they should help us with some of the heat dissipation so this is a carbon-fiber hood from DTM fiberwerx i think it ordered it maybe two or three months ago and i'm excited to see what it looks like on the car so there's good chances to get painted and this but for now we paint it so it's gonna stay exposed forget thanks pretty cool for a rice car I do like the style that I go I do have great news as well the package that I've been waiting on from Dominator Motorsports Australia is a bear Amane cap curdled it should give a lot more rigidity to the engine I believe they just came out with this along with some new studs and in the bottom of this box there's some titanium retainers so stuff can go to the machine shop and now the bear can get finished up so hopefully we'll have this back early next week I don't know how I'm gonna feel about it but I did get a CSL trunk for the 36 as well from DTM fiberwerx I got a carbon fiber trunk mostly for weight purposes I might end up painting it yet again I don't know how I feel about carbon fiber trunks I always had mixed opinions about them but I did just realize this blue piece for my trunk is gonna get reused so it'll be kind of cool with a little bit of touch of blue so I mean you're about to pull this thing off and mock up the new one and see how it looks are these alternate routes man this looks like some Street fast and furious stuff right here I don't think it looks too bad and this this like lip on the bottom of the bumper is what kind of ruins I feel like you need a style like Alberto that's just like a stock bumper with a diffuser but I think with that blue piece on there especially a little bit of blue bring it all together that's the spice right there bro sugar and spice boy this thing's looking nice whoa I've been kind of hesitant to put stickers or livery on this car just because it is kind of a practice carpet since I am doing the clutch kickers comp with it and since FB kind of isn't happening till super late in the year I did decide to put some stickers on it just for the people that have supported me with this car and kind of treated it as like a pretend FD car you notice we started doing all the graphics on the side skirts in the lower area and we're gonna play around with some graphics in this area later tonight that'll be in tomorrow's video I got the mesh all painted nice and black and I can put this back in the bumper now I got one special surprise for you guys you guys might remember when I first got the r34 I was talking about how I wanted to get different emblems and there are these super rare gold ones that I knew were for sale but it costed a small fortune nonetheless because I'm going above and beyond this building every way shape and form I did wind up pulling the trigger and got a full set of the very rare gold emblems for this car they are used but they're in good condition so I'm gonna swap this so that way when I put that front mesh in it'll have the updated logo all right so I got her in there had to sent her up it's hard to tell but the way to the gold contrast with the color looks pretty rad I like for sure I'm gonna finish putting all the chicken wire in you get the bumper looking a little fresher also one cool idea I had with the new merch that dropped today in one lucky random order over $100 I'm gonna throw in the GTR emblem that I just took off this car so I thought of you cool thing to do rather than this just going on my shelf if when you guys want to have the actual emblem off my or 34 GTR this will just go to one random order that's over a hundred dollars there's just so much information about the r34 that it's kind of hard to video so I've just been kind of giving you guys tidbits here and there to keep you up keep you in the loop and keep you up to date so this right here looks like a hodgepodge of oil pan goodies so this is an extended pan that I got from Tommy I'm not sure that I'm gonna use it but the secret and the sauce and the specialness of this pan is a list junk right here so this pan came with 411 gears and the r34 comes stock with really really long gearing so one thing that you can do that helps with turbo lag and helps keep the car way more fun as you go do 411 gears in the rear in the front and it makes the car have really short gearing to where you just live in the high rpm there's a very famous old video of the mines GTR I think it was see that episode Tsukuba circuit and everyone thought that card like a bajillion horsepower because the the way that it was always the power band me me me it just sounded absurdly fast in the way that it revved up but I guess the the main secret of it was just the for 11 years and that's what really makes these cars come to life and you know maybe it won't be the best highway Cruiser but I think it'll be a lot of fun to have this car just live at the highest rpm we possibly can squeeze out of it because that's what's gonna make power alright so this is a pretty big discussion because I don't think I've talked at all in any of the videos about the turbo choice that we're gonna be going with on this build so what we have here in front of me are two HKS 2530 s and that - craft that I mentioned as well as most of the response beast r32 is our 33 or 34 tend to go with the HKS 2530 s because it's responsive and they make somewhere around the high five hundred four horsepower me being me and having a good relationship with Garrett and liking modern technology I've been kind of going with in om+ type route with the Phil but like om plus with a dash of race car so originally the plan was to take these turbos and send them out to get machined to accept garrett gtx 2860 gen 2 cores for whatever reason it's a very popular thing to do and it's known to make a little bit more power and be a little bit more efficient it's full better because of the newer turbo technology versus these old prehistoric pieces of junk I say piece of junk but to be pretty good so what I'm going to be doing for the bill right here I have two garrett gen 228 60s now like I said I originally planned on having these cores machine to accept HKS housings not so much for the cool each guess logo but just because apparently all that was offered for a while where Garrett gen1 GTX 28 60s and you know the Gen 2 is better so you could get the gentoos machine into the edge kiss housings and make it all work as a bolt on affair and remote of DVD has a great video explaining differences between twin and single there's pretty much no benefit of going twin / single I'm doing it because I think it's cool it's different compared to all the builds that we've done and it kind of keeps a little bit of its GTR heart by going in this route so these turbos are from ATP and they've come out with them as a bolt-on solution and they claim that they'll make upwards of 900 horsepower I don't know if that's rated at crank or if that's wheel horsepower but for my experience with these turbos on my SR when I have the 2860 it had an amazing response and it made around the low 400s I think 420 at the high 20s low 30s before I started becoming inefficient so I don't know a lot about twin turbos or technology-wise if I can just double that number or if there's you know a loss because of restrictions or what but I am pretty confident that with this set up we will make somewhere in the mid 600's and I'm hoping I'm hoping we can just touch the surface of 700 even if we have to dial it back now for whatever reason the 2060s have a really bad reputation with being laggy on the RV 26 especially in a 2 6 liter form but I really think that reason is because people were using the old 28 60s versus the new gentoos or frankly just didn't have a good set up or maybe didn't have a good tune so there's virtually zero data that I can find online with these bolt-on gen 228 60 Garrett's so I'm doing this kind of for you guys kind of for myself kind of everyone else out there I want to see how much power these will make if we can get rid of as many restrictions as we possibly can and see if it's going to be fun I think high 600 with the GTR awesome it's gonna be a blast and I think if there is any sort of lag the v-cam should help minimize that now a lot of people are so focused on getting boosts super fast with these engines and they you know they want to be a full boost at 3 grand 4 grand whatever but the thing is the Army's designed to live at high rpm right it's solid lifter it's not hydraulic lifter everything about the engine even stock rev limit I think it's like eighty five hundred or something while so I'm hoping the setup will make a bit more peak power and not just torque surge like all my baby turbo cars so if it is a little laggy or I should say if the boost thresholds a little bit higher that's okay because with the 411 s we're gonna live in that higher rpm range I think it'll be a lot of fun it's definitely gonna be a pain serviceability is gonna be very bad if we have to change anything or fix anything the engine will pretty much have to come out so I'm saying this now this will probably be only v1 of the skyline I'm sure at some point this thing's gonna end up going stroker with a big single but I really want to experience what it's like with twins do you wanna you have input what a cookie I'll take a cookie I'll bet if you want to come behind the stage and talk about the twin-turbo setup with me what do you think I don't know which we can't really go wrong I do like that it's not like bigger port or whatever but we can always monitor our days too much those as well yep we're gonna be doing some porting that'll probably be in the next video we're gonna do stock manifolds and port those we're gonna pour whatever we can on the turbos smoothing some stuff out and try to milk every bit of power we can out of them but I'm excited I hope it works well now yeah one thing you said there's no data on this with them collect a couple data points to seize I don't know back pressure I tease eg T's and such to see what are the things that are peaking and unfolding you for making more probably said oh yeah I know a big part of the restriction usually ends up being the exhaust with a higher horsepower GTR so another thing too big reveal of parts bringing me doing a four inch titanium exhaust on this car the biggest one we've done yet so there should be no restrictions on that side but the question is are the actual exhaust housing is gonna limit us because they're so tiny hopefully we'll get you know gets a lot of it but yeah just we're talking like minimal differences and I will show you two if you do compare these on the actual Garrett the exhaust wheel is a bit bigger I don't know how much you guys will be able to tell on that and it does appear as if the compressor wheels a little bit bigger - there's my cookie molded version of the wheel look it's about the same size he all right it's really hard to do this it's like you ever do makeup in there oh there you go through the right side so I'm excited it's gonna be a little bit different I know that everything's gonna link me to that videos and you're comparing twins to singles but I I want to try it I want to experiment with it I think that they're gonna make good power I need to be a lot of fun it's gonna be a little bit different and I hope you guys are excited too so I'm gonna end the video here if you have any questions or anything you want me to highlight I'm happy to although I will say like I'm I'm still learning a lot of this stuff about the Aubree's 26 I know my RV 25 stuff but I don't know it's cool it's a little bit different I'm excited to rev hi there's definitely a lot more exciting stuff but I'll be able to real reveal with you guys over the next couple videos and I hope you are excited too wait during the video I lie yeah I feel like that's what you're gonna get dude even if I had a 3-2 I still would never put a turbo that big on this thing then put up 3 3 3 4 3 4 e yeah that sir was big on your head power turbo Wow wait wait it could eat it that's where his literally hook the whole turbo unjust the inlet of this guy you're not wrong literally would fit yes we're going on a tangent all right hope you guys enjoyed the video we'll see soonhi guys welcome to today's video as I told you at the end of the last video the r34 is back from paint I'm about to see it for the first time and I could not be more excited probably the worst color to look at in this type of lighting does it I'm excited I'm not gonna go into full detail as to why I'm not very happy the paint job it was not done by one of my local usual guys that I go to as I did say I just want to be totally transparent that it wasn't anything that they messed up but I was very very bummed just because there was a lot of dirt in the clear and thankfully Alberto reminded me that I have this piece that covers up a lot of imperfections on the radiator supports that was gonna drive me nuts but I mean it looks better than it did before so I just have to be happy I just I'm trying to have such a high attention to detail and be such a perfectionist with this builders me really really hard for me it's a little thing again drive me nuts pretty much all your guys orders from last week's little drop are now and route to you guys and I just want to be super be sure of that we've got a bunch of the cool new stuff coming out you guys weigh the mass the pink hoodies we have an archway of track hats that are going out today and then we pretty much sold out of those masks like overnight we're doing another small drop with those and two other new pieces so we've got the mask this time in a little different colorway we did the pink to match all the other merch I thought it'd be a cool little different thing to do then we did a small run with the Shogun embroidered logo on some dad hats and some hoodies these are the same hoodies as the other ones super soft I want to do a different color because in past we've only done pink and black so I thought the Burgundy was kind of cool but that stuff's live now as I mentioned before if you get two of any of the new stuff discussed in this video we'll hook you guys up with extra stickers and I'm always super depreciated of the support what I didn't really mention when we got the car back from paint just because it it was definitely a shock to all of us I was trying to maintain being upset the whole entire car is covered in overspray and Matt was able to get a little bit of it off with clay but it seems like the whole cars going to need to be repolished which is a super bummer after it had such a nice coating and like a perfect correction that to have it messed up this is a mega bummer we'll get it back but I was definitely not the most stoked thing to see and yeah but on top of that the subframe was painted and we're removing anyway because I'm gonna go get a powder-coated but it's kind of funny I've got that midnight pickle three subframe now this build is definitely scope creepin everywhere I look it's like I'm messaging terra firma like yo can you give me new boots for this or new clips for this or new tie rods and now I'm looking at the rack and it's a little leaky so I'm gonna see if I can get to rebuild this one and make it all pretty like he does on all the drift cars but just everywhere I look it's just like whoa I got to do that I got to do that to where I don't know it's gonna be fun and different but it's gonna be time-consuming for sure Alberto's finishing up pulling the subframe and I started pulling apart the front bumper so I could take all this mesh that's kind of gotten a little bit rusty it's kind of hard to see in camera because the camera doesn't to focus but you kind of see it through the bumper so I'm gonna scotch-brite it up spray some new black on it and refresh it but I also have a set of new emblems as well to freshen up all the badges on the car I know the final note I was gonna make a joke but you take it right into my mouth - look at these sick painted brackets bro that's some spicy stuff right here please reference our audio frame Alberto the wrong side wrong side wrong one bro haha actually it's good dancer the car is so light right now I feel literally lifted my hands like really you show me well you really want me to show you what if it falls on camera no I got the front we'll go bring it over by the door got it that's a big subframe thankfully we have a really good relationship with local powder coater so we're gonna go drop this off he's actually got a lot of the brackets already done for us but this thing is just gonna get om satin black just look nice and fresh be ashame taking off all that purple blood I know you do so we can start assembling stuff because we don't have the hardware back from Zink yet but this is our first box of powder-coated pieces and this satin black came out perfect look super OEM and now everything looks brand-new check it out came out super nice all these pieces even the horns I didn't know there's gonna be able to do the horns I guess the horns but maybe he didn't do the horns actually or maybe he just did a little brackets what do look at this alberta right so good yeah it is I think this is this was a bumper bracket Alberto this looks like brand-new that's awesome this looks like Oh am suffering black no that's that's what I told them a match just like a not too shiny but yeah I'm pumped on this the very last arrow pieces for the 36 have finally arrived I think I've told you guys in videos before that I ordered a new hood for the 36 and that's why I felt ok cutting the hole for the hood dump so now we have a new trunk and a new hood and we're about to open them up I think because this is made to order it kind of made me extra excited just cuz I've been waiting for so long that like the anticipation makes it that much worthwhile versus if I just ordered and got instant gratification palm not only do the GTR style vents look cool but i think they should help us with some of the heat dissipation so this is a carbon-fiber hood from DTM fiberwerx i think it ordered it maybe two or three months ago and i'm excited to see what it looks like on the car so there's good chances to get painted and this but for now we paint it so it's gonna stay exposed forget thanks pretty cool for a rice car I do like the style that I go I do have great news as well the package that I've been waiting on from Dominator Motorsports Australia is a bear Amane cap curdled it should give a lot more rigidity to the engine I believe they just came out with this along with some new studs and in the bottom of this box there's some titanium retainers so stuff can go to the machine shop and now the bear can get finished up so hopefully we'll have this back early next week I don't know how I'm gonna feel about it but I did get a CSL trunk for the 36 as well from DTM fiberwerx I got a carbon fiber trunk mostly for weight purposes I might end up painting it yet again I don't know how I feel about carbon fiber trunks I always had mixed opinions about them but I did just realize this blue piece for my trunk is gonna get reused so it'll be kind of cool with a little bit of touch of blue so I mean you're about to pull this thing off and mock up the new one and see how it looks are these alternate routes man this looks like some Street fast and furious stuff right here I don't think it looks too bad and this this like lip on the bottom of the bumper is what kind of ruins I feel like you need a style like Alberto that's just like a stock bumper with a diffuser but I think with that blue piece on there especially a little bit of blue bring it all together that's the spice right there bro sugar and spice boy this thing's looking nice whoa I've been kind of hesitant to put stickers or livery on this car just because it is kind of a practice carpet since I am doing the clutch kickers comp with it and since FB kind of isn't happening till super late in the year I did decide to put some stickers on it just for the people that have supported me with this car and kind of treated it as like a pretend FD car you notice we started doing all the graphics on the side skirts in the lower area and we're gonna play around with some graphics in this area later tonight that'll be in tomorrow's video I got the mesh all painted nice and black and I can put this back in the bumper now I got one special surprise for you guys you guys might remember when I first got the r34 I was talking about how I wanted to get different emblems and there are these super rare gold ones that I knew were for sale but it costed a small fortune nonetheless because I'm going above and beyond this building every way shape and form I did wind up pulling the trigger and got a full set of the very rare gold emblems for this car they are used but they're in good condition so I'm gonna swap this so that way when I put that front mesh in it'll have the updated logo all right so I got her in there had to sent her up it's hard to tell but the way to the gold contrast with the color looks pretty rad I like for sure I'm gonna finish putting all the chicken wire in you get the bumper looking a little fresher also one cool idea I had with the new merch that dropped today in one lucky random order over $100 I'm gonna throw in the GTR emblem that I just took off this car so I thought of you cool thing to do rather than this just going on my shelf if when you guys want to have the actual emblem off my or 34 GTR this will just go to one random order that's over a hundred dollars there's just so much information about the r34 that it's kind of hard to video so I've just been kind of giving you guys tidbits here and there to keep you up keep you in the loop and keep you up to date so this right here looks like a hodgepodge of oil pan goodies so this is an extended pan that I got from Tommy I'm not sure that I'm gonna use it but the secret and the sauce and the specialness of this pan is a list junk right here so this pan came with 411 gears and the r34 comes stock with really really long gearing so one thing that you can do that helps with turbo lag and helps keep the car way more fun as you go do 411 gears in the rear in the front and it makes the car have really short gearing to where you just live in the high rpm there's a very famous old video of the mines GTR I think it was see that episode Tsukuba circuit and everyone thought that card like a bajillion horsepower because the the way that it was always the power band me me me it just sounded absurdly fast in the way that it revved up but I guess the the main secret of it was just the for 11 years and that's what really makes these cars come to life and you know maybe it won't be the best highway Cruiser but I think it'll be a lot of fun to have this car just live at the highest rpm we possibly can squeeze out of it because that's what's gonna make power alright so this is a pretty big discussion because I don't think I've talked at all in any of the videos about the turbo choice that we're gonna be going with on this build so what we have here in front of me are two HKS 2530 s and that - craft that I mentioned as well as most of the response beast r32 is our 33 or 34 tend to go with the HKS 2530 s because it's responsive and they make somewhere around the high five hundred four horsepower me being me and having a good relationship with Garrett and liking modern technology I've been kind of going with in om+ type route with the Phil but like om plus with a dash of race car so originally the plan was to take these turbos and send them out to get machined to accept garrett gtx 2860 gen 2 cores for whatever reason it's a very popular thing to do and it's known to make a little bit more power and be a little bit more efficient it's full better because of the newer turbo technology versus these old prehistoric pieces of junk I say piece of junk but to be pretty good so what I'm going to be doing for the bill right here I have two garrett gen 228 60s now like I said I originally planned on having these cores machine to accept HKS housings not so much for the cool each guess logo but just because apparently all that was offered for a while where Garrett gen1 GTX 28 60s and you know the Gen 2 is better so you could get the gentoos machine into the edge kiss housings and make it all work as a bolt on affair and remote of DVD has a great video explaining differences between twin and single there's pretty much no benefit of going twin / single I'm doing it because I think it's cool it's different compared to all the builds that we've done and it kind of keeps a little bit of its GTR heart by going in this route so these turbos are from ATP and they've come out with them as a bolt-on solution and they claim that they'll make upwards of 900 horsepower I don't know if that's rated at crank or if that's wheel horsepower but for my experience with these turbos on my SR when I have the 2860 it had an amazing response and it made around the low 400s I think 420 at the high 20s low 30s before I started becoming inefficient so I don't know a lot about twin turbos or technology-wise if I can just double that number or if there's you know a loss because of restrictions or what but I am pretty confident that with this set up we will make somewhere in the mid 600's and I'm hoping I'm hoping we can just touch the surface of 700 even if we have to dial it back now for whatever reason the 2060s have a really bad reputation with being laggy on the RV 26 especially in a 2 6 liter form but I really think that reason is because people were using the old 28 60s versus the new gentoos or frankly just didn't have a good set up or maybe didn't have a good tune so there's virtually zero data that I can find online with these bolt-on gen 228 60 Garrett's so I'm doing this kind of for you guys kind of for myself kind of everyone else out there I want to see how much power these will make if we can get rid of as many restrictions as we possibly can and see if it's going to be fun I think high 600 with the GTR awesome it's gonna be a blast and I think if there is any sort of lag the v-cam should help minimize that now a lot of people are so focused on getting boosts super fast with these engines and they you know they want to be a full boost at 3 grand 4 grand whatever but the thing is the Army's designed to live at high rpm right it's solid lifter it's not hydraulic lifter everything about the engine even stock rev limit I think it's like eighty five hundred or something while so I'm hoping the setup will make a bit more peak power and not just torque surge like all my baby turbo cars so if it is a little laggy or I should say if the boost thresholds a little bit higher that's okay because with the 411 s we're gonna live in that higher rpm range I think it'll be a lot of fun it's definitely gonna be a pain serviceability is gonna be very bad if we have to change anything or fix anything the engine will pretty much have to come out so I'm saying this now this will probably be only v1 of the skyline I'm sure at some point this thing's gonna end up going stroker with a big single but I really want to experience what it's like with twins do you wanna you have input what a cookie I'll take a cookie I'll bet if you want to come behind the stage and talk about the twin-turbo setup with me what do you think I don't know which we can't really go wrong I do like that it's not like bigger port or whatever but we can always monitor our days too much those as well yep we're gonna be doing some porting that'll probably be in the next video we're gonna do stock manifolds and port those we're gonna pour whatever we can on the turbos smoothing some stuff out and try to milk every bit of power we can out of them but I'm excited I hope it works well now yeah one thing you said there's no data on this with them collect a couple data points to seize I don't know back pressure I tease eg T's and such to see what are the things that are peaking and unfolding you for making more probably said oh yeah I know a big part of the restriction usually ends up being the exhaust with a higher horsepower GTR so another thing too big reveal of parts bringing me doing a four inch titanium exhaust on this car the biggest one we've done yet so there should be no restrictions on that side but the question is are the actual exhaust housing is gonna limit us because they're so tiny hopefully we'll get you know gets a lot of it but yeah just we're talking like minimal differences and I will show you two if you do compare these on the actual Garrett the exhaust wheel is a bit bigger I don't know how much you guys will be able to tell on that and it does appear as if the compressor wheels a little bit bigger - there's my cookie molded version of the wheel look it's about the same size he all right it's really hard to do this it's like you ever do makeup in there oh there you go through the right side so I'm excited it's gonna be a little bit different I know that everything's gonna link me to that videos and you're comparing twins to singles but I I want to try it I want to experiment with it I think that they're gonna make good power I need to be a lot of fun it's gonna be a little bit different and I hope you guys are excited too so I'm gonna end the video here if you have any questions or anything you want me to highlight I'm happy to although I will say like I'm I'm still learning a lot of this stuff about the Aubree's 26 I know my RV 25 stuff but I don't know it's cool it's a little bit different I'm excited to rev hi there's definitely a lot more exciting stuff but I'll be able to real reveal with you guys over the next couple videos and I hope you are excited too wait during the video I lie yeah I feel like that's what you're gonna get dude even if I had a 3-2 I still would never put a turbo that big on this thing then put up 3 3 3 4 3 4 e yeah that sir was big on your head power turbo Wow wait wait it could eat it that's where his literally hook the whole turbo unjust the inlet of this guy you're not wrong literally would fit yes we're going on a tangent all right hope you guys enjoyed the video we'll see soon\n"