**The Apple Insider Podcast**

This week's episode of The Apple Insider Podcast features William Gallagher discussing various topics with his co-hosts, including the latest news and updates on FileMaker Pro 18. William mentions that he recently spent money on a MacBook for Christmas and is excited about the new features and improvements in the upcoming version of Panic.

**FileMaker Pro 18**

William explains that he used to be a big fan of FileMaker, having used it from version 7 all the way through version 12. He even ran his own FileMaker servers to manage his databases. However, he notes that the prices of FileMaker licenses have become complicated, with the current version, Server Pro, costing around $15 per month or $540 to buy outright. William expresses his disappointment at not being able to use a good license for FileMaker 12 server.

**Pharma and Bento**

William reminisces about using Bento, a database program he used to work with at BBC Worldwide's commercial end. He wishes that Bento were still available, as it had an interface that allowed it to talk to MySQL databases. William also expresses his desire for FileMaker to have better compatibility and maintenance options, particularly in terms of connecting to a range of databases like Cassandra and MySQL.

**Cassandra and mySQL**

William mentions that he has not heard much about Cassandra, but expresses interest in learning more about it as a database option. He notes that using different databases can make file management and maintenance easier, and wishes that FileMaker had better support for this aspect.

**Farmat and Updates**

William mentions that FileMaker Pro 18 is a good update, with many small improvements and features that will make users happy. However, he notes that the updates are not necessarily major changes, but rather incremental improvements.

**Tools and Software**

William announces that the Apple Insider Podcast has started using new tools to produce episodes, including Overcast and Podcast Chapters. He expresses his gratitude for these tools, which have made it easier to organize and present their content.

**Netgear's Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 Routers**

The episode ends with a special offer from Netgear, who are promoting their new line of Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 routers. William notes that the new routers can provide buffer-free streaming and zero lag, making them ideal for online gaming and watching Netflix in 4K.

**Conclusion**

The Apple Insider Podcast concludes its latest episode with William thanking his co-hosts and expressing gratitude to Netgear for their contribution to the podcast. The episode ends on a positive note, with William looking forward to the next episode and sharing more news and updates with their listeners.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to the Apple Insider podcast I'm William Gallagher and joining me is Victor Mark you know I honestly think that in all fairness everybody should have a turn at being William Gallagher it just seems reasonable don't you think it's only fair let's maybe put it into your US Constitution thing that' be good okay I I think we Market is a holiday and calendar and you know the thing of it is right I think I can only handle one day of being William Gallagher a year Well to be truthful if I could walk away from me I would as well but then I've had it for a lot longer than a day so I think that seems fair I mean it's it's it's just too much to take on the responsibility is crushing hang on have we actually swapped though in which case can I ask you some questions about your bank accounts and passwords and things like that just just out of Interest really you you you can ask whatever you I'll make notes later excellent and we'll talk about that after the show welcome back this is the Apple Insider podcast and William I'm so glad you're here well I'm want to talk to you for a moment about Macintosh for schools oh yes yes yes yes it's good schools Max I I am I am in the position of buying a laptop for my daughter for her first year of high school School in the US and the school said that you can use Windows 10 machines or you can use a Mac in either case they want a core i5 or better they want 256 gig of storage or better so no 128 gig U MacBook airs from years and years ago okay right and they um and they want uh there there was one person in there who said what about Linux and they said yeah but you're on your own if you do and uh which was okay because apparently their parent is someone big in in the Ubuntu community so there's there's those kind of requirements going on around and jamp who has sponsored this podcast in the past but is not sponsoring this episode uh ran a survey and their survey found that most college and university students would prefer to use a Macintosh but that price is a considerable barrier which I as a as a parent and Hoster of this podcast can totally sympathize with I'm just curious to know how I mean I'm not knocking ja been g go for years and they do all sorts of things and it it's very interesting but there's just something about the way you phrase that that they asked this did they go up to students and say would you like this lovely Mac if you could afford it in which case you'd think more than however many said yes would have said yes but okay right so it's there's a totally valid question around how was the survey conducted what questions were asked and and so forth um and I don't have a copy of the survey here what I what I know so far is that this was a survey conducted by the research outfit ven Bourne so jamp paid for the study but Von bne conducted it and that the the the summary is that 71% of the students surveyed said they prefer a Mac even though 60% use a Windows PC of the people using a PC of that 60% 51% said they would switch if cost were not an issue okay so I imagine the first question was what devices do you currently use right what what devices do you own and they would ask things like PC and mac and Android and iPhone and so forth and and you know do you own a tablet do you own an iPad right that's those are common sorts of questions and and then I imagine that they would filter down from there you know if you own the PC why do you use the PC do you feel an aching void of loneliness in your soul that kind of thing yes yes well I I do but only because I'm will that fits you're doing me very well there yes I know yeah and they they suggest that from this data they see that uh many Mac and Windows units are pretty firmly entrenched that only 43% of PC users said that Macs provide the best value where that figure Rose to 80% among Mac users which which makes sense I mean when you ask the question about value you get into sticky things like cost or return and and stuff like that what people feel like they get out of it plus the fact that nobody goes and buys a Windows PC and goes and buy a Windows Mac and spends equivalent amount of time on each they buy one and if it works for them then it's good value um you commit to it right you get entrenched in it you start using applications and and honestly you know there's there's a couple different factors right there's the quality of the machine that you bought there's the quality of the operating system and how it works and whether or not it works for you the way that it's constructed you know how you get on with it and then there's the applications you use on it right you know I would I would say that most of the time you don't actually interact a whole lot with the OS I mean you're using the operating system and it's doing all the underlying work but you're not spending your whole day in finder I spend quite a remarkable amount of time in you're spending your whole day in Windows Explorer you know you're you're but you're writing in an application or your osing in an application or you're creating in an application you're not doing that Windows Explorer no that's true you're doing that in Microsoft Paint yeah right okay yeah has anybody ever tried to BMP you off then sorry that might be too British an expression uh bump somebody off his a anyway yes okay William so thanks thanks thanks for that Marx so uh the the data was collected this year early 2019 from a sample of 2,244 people across five countries okay now I don't know the distribution of the people among those five countries but that tends to to try and justify that this is not a small sample that this is a reasonable sample okay but I guess is it a surprise any of it really Matt gear is expensive but once you've got past yeah the the it hurts when you're paying once you've paid and you've got the machine then I think you find it it's worth it uh so yeah apple would sell more to students if they could make them cheaper but then that's a whole other issue so right but then you wind up with a problem and one of our our commenters on the website mentioned this where you know you you have beer money but champagne tastes so if you buy a uh if you if you bought a low Mac which they don't even make right if you bought a a substandard low Mac which was the thing that that remember when the iPad was being introduced where they before that they said we aren't going to make a netbook everyone was clamoring for apple to make a netbook and Steve Jobs said we're not going to make a netbook because we can't can't figure out how to make a good one right you can't make something that cheap and make it good and make it portable and all the things that it have to be to be a good Mac right so if they were able to make a lowcost Mac would it be good enough for people to actually want yes which would then undo the whole value thing if it wasn't and uh I do think apple is creative with its pricing I think it's really really good at charging precisely the right amount of money that's just more than you can afford so that you yeah they milk you for it and you know well done them I suppose but yes okay well here's they they have problems and part of the problem is being able to charge the right amount so that they a make margin and stay in business which used to be a real concern and B account for fluctuating prices on the supply side of things you know we used to hear all the time about how there was a storm in in Korea or a storm in Taiwan and it wiped out the factories that produce ssds or hard drives right or or produce RAM and so suddenly the prices go up because it's harder to get them now that the factories are wiped out which suddenly seems to be over the only problems now you get is if you're hway but otherwise everybody seems to be fine yeah yeah but I mean you know remember those things and of course the cost Apple would go up but they would not raise the price because they'd built enough room in to be able to absorb that well there also uh I I I should have appreciated this before but I never thought about it looking into the Apple card thing the fact that Apple will give you I can't remember now off the top my head what percentage back from anything you buy from them um I worked yeah so if you go buy a $10,000 iMac Pro you're getting a substantial chunk back and that's coming off that's coming from Apple so uh they have to be able to absorb that as well so pricing is a really interesting area I think and they they do do it well right and and so you know when you start making pricing you you construct what's called a cost calculator basically a large spreadsheet and the spreadsheet points out what the bill of materials cost is what the cost is the product when you get it on freight on board on a boat so that it arrives in the warehouse uh the landed cost you've had to pay Customs to get it into the country kind of thing um distribution costs what's it cost to get it warehoused where you need to get it warehoused and shipped around right and then uh what's a retailer margin what's what chunk does the retailer take when they sell it right and so you have to to do all of those to figure out here's what the thing actually costs to make and here's what everyone else needs to be paid along the way and at the very end is your profit margin uh well that's a Cost Plus model isn't it but yes it's a standard way of doing it uh it just does Apple end up with very expensive things when other manufacturers can sell PCS for threns well the difference is that they first of all are doing some things that other manufacturers aren't doing first of all you know like how many other people are using machined out of solid billets of aluminum for laptop cases genuinely don't know but yes Apple seem to be rather few there's there's all kinds of different stuff out there going although it all points to the same question at the end which is what are you going to buy for your daughter well she doesn't know it yet but I've already answered that I'm sorry I actually I don't follow um when terms things start so is it uh September that she'll be starting this or sooner a okay so that's quite quite close which is I had to sort this out I'm quite impressed with the school that they gave a spec list it's like um you you think they just let you get on with it as long as you can turn up and do the work what do they care but they're you know they're obviously aware that a lot of the parents won't be that familiar with stuff so they're helping them out by saying you need this this and this well and the other issue is is that the middle school had prepared a list for this kind of thing too and the Middle School favored Chromebooks over iPads they'd allow iPads but they weren't fond of them and so for things that they wanted to do that required Chromebooks they would go ahead and issue to the iPad students for a while kind of thing and the high school said nope don't turn up with a Chromebook because our testing regime isn't prepared for Chromebook we're prepared for having real machines and real browsers and so forth and so turn up with a machine like this and by the way 128 gig need not apply so what did I do what did what did what did William Gallagher I uh I I've been very busy on it uh I've been thinking about it a lot for the last minute or however long it is since told me about this and I think I probably did something a bit Hackintosh like I think I probably took the innards of a Mac Pro uh and a pencil case and put them together with some sort of home kit apparatus how does that sound I thought strongly about Hackintosh and I thought about getting a hulet Packard Elite book which are among the most compatible kind of things for that sort of thing and when I researched it deeply I found that there was going to be some issue with power management that it may not be easy to get sleep working properly sleeper hibernate working properly and so I um I decided not to do hacking even though I went to the trouble of saying apparatus in an American pronunciation instead of apparatus as we would say here how that took some effort and you're just ignoring it and it was good it was very good of you and uh I purchased a 200 15 13-in MacBook Air with 128 gig and then separately purchased an M2 nvme SSD drive off of Amazon knowing full well that these are incompatible with mac and purchased an adapter oh I see right to adapt the Mac SSD slot to this SSD drive and one of the things that's rumored to be a problem with these sort of adapted things is that they don't support hibernate properly which sounds a lot like the thing that I was avoiding with Hackintosh but there are are conflicting reports that suggest that it does work and so I purchased a one terabyte SSD and this adapter and I'm going to see if it works oh okay um hang on let's just work through well I'm curious to know how much are you gambling here and whether it works or not but also I have no idea how you get inside uh any type of MacBook to put this stuff in or am I completely misunderstanding and you're just gluing it on the back no no the bottom cover comes off and you remove the drive from the old slot and you screw in the new one okay and uh the the cost of the MacBook used was 300 bucks I negotiated for that 300 bucks and so a 2015 MacBook Air for 300 bucks I pretty good about that and the cost of the crucial one terabyte drive that I bought was about 115 and the adapter was another $15 plus presumably deliveries postage whatever some sort of uh free delivery Amazon oh uh was that was of the uh the drive so if it doesn't work are you able to return it I believe so yes when will he you know when are you going to get screw but that puts me in a position of having a a MacBook Air that doesn't have the correct amount of storage that the school requires now there are two approaches to that one is just send her with it anyway and see what they say right and the other approach is to then talk to someone like Max sales the O OBC who have compatible drives but they cost significantly more and uh see if something can be arranged there go ahead and purchase Drive lots of possibilities good but there are options we're not out of options but the 2015 was was selected because it has the traditional keyboard okay so let's talk keyboards for a moment right previously on keyboards yes previously on keyboard Insider Apple released a service program yes they they have an updated butter fly keyboard repair program and the the keyboard repair program covers what I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say yeah keyboards go on I thought so so I see kind of insightful use you get out of talking to me yes can we have Mike back in the do I do love it he's thinking about it thanks okay uh yes so uh they have keyboards and support for keyboards everybody's happy yeah and so the keyboard program says that uh any of the the keyboards that that fail uh will be covered and will be upgraded to the new version if they're of the the V3 form factor right if they're the ones that were shipped in 2018 they'll be upgraded to this new version 4 keyboard that Apple's revised okay well that seems good that is quite expensive for Apple depending on how many there are and things but okay all right so the new keyboard fits the 2018 MacBook Pro and the 2018 MacBook Air uh previous models get the second generation keyboard mechanism which was better than the first generation one found in the 2015 MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro those ones will still get service but they won't get updated to the new model of keyboard that was just announced as a part of the new Macbook Pro that was announced what there were new Macbook Pros and we and we're taking till now to mention them okay well not only are there new Macbook Pros but the new Macbook Pros also qualify for the service program how is that okay that did give me pause for a moment there I mean we've talked about this before I actually like the keyboards on it I mean there are others I prefer but I'm quite fine uh working on them uh I suppose I've certainly never had any problems but I haven't used them for for long enough to really feel it and if you've got a problem then it's kind of crucial isn't it so this is all good that's yeah that's what it comes down to is you know if if you enjoy typing on it wonderful if you never have a problem brilliant fantastic but when you do have a problem if you do get one then then that's sort of the end of the the world for you right that's a real pain especially if typing is your livelihood but even of it isn't the the act of typing something and having something other than you expect happen is not good yes absolutely yeah and you know there there are people who have opinions on the whole keyboard thing like you know they they took something that appealed to pretty much everyone and worked for pretty much everyone and worked without a whole lot of failure and turned it into something that's polarized but thinner and polarizing give them that right but if it doesn't work for for you know ballparking it just as half the people that that want a machine from you and you don't sell any other models then what does that mean it means you push them to PCS or like you did to older MacBooks just as in the side can we just compliment apple on how well their MacBooks look because I I was away the other week doing book research uh I took a 2009 MacBook uh with me to work on it and uh I've I've had keyboard problems with it for years why I don't use it much but I brought an external keyboard did all the work it was gorgeous 10 years old that machine yeah I have a 10-year-old one also I just bought a power supply and a battery for it yeah it was the 13inch aluminum one that I've got there was the 15in um aluminium so there we go I have one of those as well but it's probably word all the stress on the vowels isn't it yes so uh we haven't actually mentioned the new MacBooks we talked about one bit of it which I admit is is significant uh but what do you think about the new MacBooks do you do you want one personally no personally not not especially I my thought and this is just a suspicion is that that okay we ran into that tutorial written by our own Daniel Aaron dger and Daniel Aon deler says that reporting about the MacBook Pro is failing at a faster rate than the butterfly keep that is he he thinks yeah he he believes that the butterfly keyboard doesn't really have a a failure rate worth commenting on but that journalists are all over this as as beating the drum of Apple's dying it's the new form of Apple is dying okay cuz we needed a new one of those yes and yeah we absolutely had to have a new one of those I I think he is kind of incorrect you should get him on about this and and the reason that I think he is a little incorrect here is that the that the problem is not the actual numbers that the keyboard fails in the problem is in the perception and if people are considering buying a machine and they read online that there are complaints about this thing that's enough to scare them away yes yes Al that it's a it's an issue of who is perceiving what if all journalists are going on this but I'm not somebody who ever looks at coverage of Apple gear I just need a machine I'm not going to know about that and I'm going to buy it for all the good and bad of that you you you drop ,000 you're not going to read about it well actually possibly not if I'm a long-term Mac User I need a new Mac um I might go compare them in the store to see what I see but I'm not going to go get out what or which Windows uh first right but if you're one of the 60% of the people surveyed in the first part of this that said they would like to switch to Mac um which you know you you know you'd be reading about it first especially if you were on a budget and that's concerning the the perception of the problem is a real Pro it makes I agree that this the problem the perception of the problem I just think we don't know the degree of either of them um really so yes but but putting the newly launched machines in coverage in the repair program why thorough is is unusual it it's it's on on one hand it's acknowledging the problem yes which is always the first step on the other hand it's trying to reassure customers that they don't have to worry about the problem but that's also a little concerning so my my suspicion and my hope is that you know and it's just pure speculation but if if they're doing that they are aware that they have to do something and I I would hope that that means that there's another keyboard in the offing that maybe goes away from this problem and maybe even goes away from this design what are the odds though because they've spent five years doing this design almost and it's it's clearly not actually that was something that really surprised me how long we've had these butterfly keyboards 201 like moment ago but yeah this is third or fourth version of them I mean I don't see them making uh MacBooks thicker to accommodate uh a deeper travel keyboard but yes I'd never imagined a butterfly keyboard before maybe there are people there imagining much better caterpillar keyboards for the future that would be that' be quite good yes but you're just looking at me there there's got to be something to this and and one position Daniel's position is that there isn't a problem and that Apple's going to keep iterating until there isn't a problem and the other solution is is finding a new design um I wish sure I could remember how long the previous cable the kind of chicklet keyboard style lasted I mean a long time so uh that debuted with the first unibody Max which was 200 I want to say 2009 wow my machine was one of the first cool I mean well well I mean we had the white chicklet Macs uh further back the white Chet MacBooks were 200 that when they were still called iBooks 2006 no no uh iBooks predated and iBooks did have chicklet style Keys um the white eye books do the white eye books have Chate style Keys No I don't think they but the Mac but but The PowerBook line kept with the the traditional style key before the Chicklets for a long time until the 2008 2009 time frame I like the chicklet style but um I do too I wasn't unhappy with the butterfly one I'm also not particularly interested in the new MacBooks I think just for um I don't have a compelling need to get a new Macbook at the moment so I've kind of zoned out a little bit I think what they offer seems very good so if I was in the market uh in fact actually um if you are me and I AMU I think i/ you let's be clear here about Bron outs should be buying your daughter a new Macbook Pro that would solve everything there you go sort it out well yeah yeah it would but as of today we're still going to try out this 13-inch MacBook a right so you're putting your interest in assembling a Macbook above the needs of your own daughter what I'm considering is that I know my daughter and I know that she's hard on Mach I presume you also know your budget which is what I thought you would lead with there so well you know my budget as well right being me you got my currently working through several accounts yes I feel 300300 sorry $300 next to uh 2 and half Grand at least for I can see a discrepancy there but okay right if you're not going to be yeah even even 1,200 for a 12in Macbook there's a discrepancy uh you know don't cheap out on this Go the whole rout yeah yes absolutely absolutely but the you know the the 2009 MacBook that she's carried around uh has dents and dings in it and and battle scars and yeah do I feel better about a $300 machine in her hands for that sort of thing I'm not going to ask what she did but as long as she doesn't have dents and dings in then I'm fine with that yeah let the machine take it all yeah exactly okay absolutely let it carry the brunt of that interestingly some some guy named William Gallagher posted a story on Apple Insider he keeps doing that uh what's he done there I know he should he does though he keeps on doing it um 2019 iPhone models listed in your ra regulatory filing and I bet you can quote them all can you no well there are number I you up with A2 I think I may have added too many digits in there you fill out the rest and ending ending with a2223 it's one of my personal favorites actually it's it's a classic number anyway 11 different models of phones now this this number includes the different variations made for different countries and different uh you know different modems and LTE bands and kind of things now there's no requirement that these numbers follow any sort of pattern no and yet but they do but it is interesting that they they are a set like that right yes I mean uh without listing the numbers if anybody hasn't memorized these they might be wondering what the sets are but as I recall um it's 11 numbers isn't it the first and the last are a little bit out from the rest but then in the middle there are two sets so it's there's there's uh a2111 and I'm going to read them like that so that we can hear the differences a2161 a2115 a22 a 8225 8226 and 17 18 19 20 21 so from 2215 all the way through 2221 they're all sequential yes and the the a2160 and 2161 are a pair but they're alone and the 2111 and the 2223 on either end of the spectrum are also to I think those the first and the last one is your sapple kidding messing with our heads that's what that is uh there there there has been speculation that the 2160 and 61 that those two together uh the 2019 equivalent to the iPhone uh 10 R but I've no idea how anybody got that I work through the rest comparing them to actually does that not sound terrible I sat there with a calculator and model numbers trying to work out things there are uh seven I think numbers there between 15 and 21 so much for a calculator okay oh so you got three different models yes right and you got three different storage sizes for those different models potentially although you could have just two different storage sizes for those models yes but which would make sense for the the sort of pairs so you have one model that might be like a low entry model on its own yes right and that's just the storage size you get kind of like the SE like you need a cheap phone you need an iPhone SE here's your phone and it comes in that storage size and there's your price so that's one way you could have one model number at the the low end of this range of numbers presuming and it's a presumption that these numbers correspond to you know higher lowend pricing yes it's a reasonable assumption but is and then you got a pair which could be the same model of phone but with different storage sizes and then you've got this one two 3 four five six seven different numbers that are that are sequential so seven numbers is a bit weird because you can't just divide them in half and say okay there are two models there and you get two types of storage each but it also but also we've we've totally thrown out the idea that there are variances in the modem is equipped for different carriers and for different regions dual SIM business physical dual SIM yeah and the dual SIM business and it's just all too complex yes so I would also like to point out that as well I I I mean we know that these are iPhones because it actually says uh in the the billing sorry we didn't say this in the UR there are certain types of Machinery that have to be registered legal requirements with the Eurasian economic commission that's what these are for uh and very often it's just the numbers and apple but this time it does say every one of them is quotes uh smartphones of the trademark Apple so we know they're iPhones uh but beyond that I sometimes wonder about these numbers CU there was a case last year towards the end of last year when it looked absolutely certain there would be I think it was four uh new Maxs come out and I think we probably had them by now but we didn't get them when we expected so who knows when these things are this also seems a bit early actually but right well they're they're placeholders and they have to be tested and so forth and so you know it's it's uh it's a thing interesting but nothing says exactly when the the thing about the iPhone is that you know Macs can come whenever they want to release a Mac an iPhone you tend to know when they're going to released yes they have changed that in the past but they but from moving for a June or July I can't remember now to a September time but it originally June 299th to uh to the fall September nov a Barren long wait year I remember it well it was it was yeah well I'll tell you what what we know so far what we expect so far is that the 2019 2019 iPhone is expected to have a triple camera system a super wide lens an improved front-facing camera and that the antenna technology is changing what's the stuff with the antenna technology uh so there are different types of antenna materials in use and that um the the antenna that are currently used in 10s and 10s Max and 10r is really quite expensive and so it looks like for 2019 we're going to change to a different material different process which has more suppliers which will help bring the price down and then in 2020 or so when we start doing 5G that by that time the more expensive material will come down in price and be used for the 5 the price coming down for apple or for us yeah okay because I was worried about them there but yes no no price coming down for Apple this is totally relevant but it fascinates me how uh as the world is becoming seemingly very polar ized politically culturally all sorts of things uh the machines we rely on are so intertwined across the entire planet it's just FAS I mean look at how how how uh problems for them um how Reliant they are how Reliant all of these companies are on everybody else it's an amazing little thing we've ended up with well huawe has big problems because of all of the the different things that are knock on a effects from the the order to not you know the the the do not do business with them problem so Android revoked the license Google revoked the Android license to Huawei which means now they're going have to find a different operating system to ship and that their customers would be interested in using Samsung maybe could pull that off with Tien Samsung might be able to pull that off switching people to Tien but Huawei has no such plan for that that we know no yeah not good I mean they could they could talk to LG I mean web OS used to be open source LG bought it but it it was open source they might be able to revive web OS but that would be a gargantuan what was the thing I heard about there being a an open source version of uh Androids that they could use I see I don't know enough about Android to follow the the logic here but is it that there is a different flavor of Android they can have AO AOSP is the Android open source project and a USP gets you a bunch of stuff but it doesn't get you to what you would call an Android phone exactly because you don't get any of the other services along with it you don't get Google Maps you don't get the Google Play Store you don't get Play services you don't get updates nicely so so then they'd have to make their own compiled updates through AOSP and issue their there're all kinds of I think you missed a bit there they'd have to make their own updates and then not spread them out to the phones just to give the same sort of experience that real Android users get but I see your point yeah yes yes absolutely but it is a a difficult thing to it's a big undertaking and it yeah it's problematic now I can't tell you I was in a meeting but they they have they have bigger problems right because arm is no longer working with them so I got they got to figure out how to get processors you know they're going to have to start taking lodes in every phone they're gonna have to figure out how to get modems because you know Qualcomm oh maybe they can go to Intel no okay um or yeah similar problem possibly more even but yes so yeah so so this is a big thing I mean does it spell the end of Huawei well you're the one who talks about perception I was saying this a long meeting yesterday big meeting and the number of times people actually directed a comment to their phones because they said China was listening through them uh well it was funny at first but it was actually quite remarkably repetitive throughout the day that perception is out there um and what can you do about that were those Android users Hawaii users uh a couple Android users um all the people with iPhones just waited till it was over but you know it I I have to say actually they did it very amusingly but um I was yeah yeah one of those the first time funny second time not so much well these are talented people it was first second and maybe fourth time funny but there's always diminishing returns yes I don't think any of them are listening to us here so could be okay here but no it's just you me and 20,000 of our closest friends no it's just the three of us isn't it I'm very happy for that just the three of us CH in a way it is I I actually I feel sorry for her I mean if they are doing what they are accused of then uh this is obviously good that it's being stopped uh but yeah you who knows what's technology what's uh politics and I I find it disturbing that a company can be dismembered like this remotely um what if it was my company what if somebody managed to do it to Apple true very true now there we talked in the past about how rural telecoms use Huawei and ZTE gear to power their their T oh yes and the UK uh is looking to do it use them for stuff yes yeah well vone is launching 5G using Huawei gear okay so there is a proposed US Senate bill that would set aside $700 million to rural telecoms in order to tell them you know help them avoid Huawei gear B basically subsidizing the the purchase of compet competitive products all right so there are competitive projects is there are competing products if you're a hway customer of that scale it's just hway stuffed okay right yeah I mean it's a it's a price problem a lot like we were talking about with that jam survey right you know Windows users would love to afford Mac but but can't while rural telecoms aren't exactly rolling in m so who would they buy who would if jum surveyed them who would they say they would rather be buying that's a good question that's a very good question I mean you'd think it'd be things like Cisco and uh and and Qualcomm stuff okay the uh Senate bill hasn't specified that because well the the bill is not law it's not regulation yet it's just simply a proposal this point speaking of of security and flaws and and exposing user information right a security researcher discovered a flaw on Instagram's website oh well at least it isn't Facebook I know I know I couldn't Instagram property of Facebook so in a surprise move what's going wrong with them left user contact information exposed for months so my my photographs of sunsets have been exposed to hackers the world over right so David Styer or steer a data scientist and business consultant discovered earlier this year an issue with Instagram's website in which source code for some user profiles contained private contact information that's not made available on public to facing Pages ouch so he he showed archived version of Instagram profiles dating back to October 2018 believes thousands of accounts were impacted by the flaw including Pages belong to private individuals who have locked their accounts right private individuals Miners and businesses sorry miners miners uh isn't there an age limit uh on Instagram the way there is on uh Facebook and things there are tons of minors on Instagram okay yeah Facebook doesn't care Facebook has signed up miners for Facebook and when there were people spending inapp currency in Facebook games and parents complained you know how did you let my kid spend all this money they in private documentation behind the scenes referred to the kid as a whale which is the term that you refer used to refer to a person with a gambling problem in Vegas wow okay and said and said we're not refunding the money which it's illegal the kid is not allowed to spend the money like that Facebook doesn't care law it's whatever Facebook can get away with well that seems to be the stage of the world anyway at the moment but okay yes yes yeah so Instagram exposed this information the researcher informed Instagram of the problem in February company issued a patch in March but the the reason why it's news now is that it was open for so long it presented a prime opportunity to collect sensitive information on people and there's there's a guess that bad actors were able to create a database of user contact information by scraping Instagram's website during that four-month period a report on Monday revealed an unsecured database maintained by Indian social media marketing firm Chatterbox leaked personal contact information tied to millions of Instagram influencer accounts including users not even affiliated with that company so that database has 49 million records and it's it's a figure that's continuing to grow until the list was pulled from Amazon web servfaces that day so Chatterbox said that they don't that the information it gathered was not private nor was it sourced une ethically which leads back to the idea of just scraping the web now Instagram's terms of use prohibit profile scraping but Chatterbox hasn't clarified exactly how they obtained that data that was not easily available to General users so Instagram for their part says they're investigating sty report and The Chatterbox database on the positive side Chatterbox is a good name I bet they take out various letters don't they take out the vowels shoot them they they they have disen vowed it for you yes disen vowed what brilliant phrase oh I'm having that you like that yes excellent and since you're me for some reason that I've actually not fully comprehended yet uh I thought of that so thank you very much me I'm having that yeah well done you well done me I'm impressed one of those things right tell me about WWDC it's this big thing Apple does every year and uh Tim Cook comes out and says good morning and that wasn't a very good impersonation of anybody and no one goes there because it's too popular right no okay yeah it's nearly impossible to get a ticket but the the 2019 schedule has revealed that something called replay kit will be coming to Mac OS later this year ah no let me tell that I I thought I knew all of the kits uh I mean i't studied it like we do product numbers and in regulatory filings uh but I had honestly never heard of Replay kit before this week uh is that just my ignorance or is it um yeah not very well known what's it do actually I mean it's it's a good question do you know what it does not clue okay um should we just make up something between us absolutely okay uh it's probably a misspelling of reply it does emails automatically it's reply kit that's what everybody's just getting wrong yeah as a framework for emails well done William do I get points for Speed at least okay something to do with screens isn't it I presume recording something or playing back something I right so the the concept is that it is um it allows iOS users record and share content via control center so when you go ahead and make a a screen sharing movie kind of thing that's what that is you're you're using replay kit under the covers oh I have used that feature it's really useful so what if you now make that available to other applications and furthermore what if you make that available back on Mac OS soorry do you mean the facility the ability to record and to incorporate that into applications okay make it available to other people right yeah except QuickTime Player on the Mac can already do screen grabs and things that quick Time Players dead William oh hasn't been touched in ages it's it's a dead duck oh I use it I know it's actually a very good audio recorder but uh you know I know but uh so that's that's what's going on is that uh there is a session that Steven trouton Smith pointed out on Twitter for uh Mac OS iOS and tvos with with as a replay kit Rat Lab there's also a session on exploring new data representations in healthkit which which claims to teach people about or supposes to teach people about modern storage for high frequency Health Data types accessing beat to beat heart rate data and uh and how to sort of bring in an entire new dimension of Health to your users with new support for hearing Health it's F I was just thinking as you said that all of this is going on whenever anybody say asks about WWDC and mentions it what they tend to be talking about is the opening two hours or whatever it is it's the whole the Keye with product stuff yeah I might only have access to this because I'm a developer but a lot of the sessions for the rest of the week are filmed and at some point do go out on the developer website I don't know if that's commonly available elsewhere but some of them are really really interesting about the most minute parts of Apple software and deeply appreciate and then you know you see proper developers using their stuff in their apps and so the whole week is going to be just a a Boom full of things to enjoy later absolutely well one of my favorites is is a one that was given a couple years ago by Ken Kenda which was a talk in in the Frameworks discussion entitled a strategy for great work stories and the lessons learned from them okay and uh I I really do enjoy that one now kendri shenda we've had him on the show before he's great and it was something special to to be able to watch this the session that he gave and really figure out listen to him and sort of hear about what makes a great project cool is that publicly available still could we put them in the show notes or something if it's around uh we'll try and link to that I I download slides from that as PDF it's pretty awesome yeah actually that's a thought sorry I've just thinking about software developers um there's a podcast devoted to Omni made by the Omni group you do Omni Focus Omni outline and stuff and just terribly entertaining podcast and I seem to remember somebody on there talking about how the whole company works really hard to get all its big software updates finished and shipped just before WWDC so they can kind of clear the decks and either enjoy everything Apple gives them or Panic about what Apple's taken away so yeah and and panic you know it's interesting because you just said it's the name of the company too it's the name of a company yes uh possibly a different no but 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I was I'm aware of it but I couldn't I'm never going to use it so it's going to pass me by Panic I know for very different pieces of s like transmit was uh is theirs and stuff and now they're doing what some sort of Nintendo like thing or something well don't say that so disparagingly well they uh they years ago Steve Jobs said something to the effect of if if you people who want to make good software should make Hardware something like this and I know I'm mangling the quote but it was something to that effect you remember right absolutely it was a good point okay so they took it on board okay they they said in a Twitter post that they realized that they don't have any stockholders they own their own company the only thing holding them back from doing something is themselves excellent oh I like that okay yes and so they you know they've made numerous applications yes why shouldn't they make Hardware that's great oh well good luck to them for that I like it right and so they made this this game system and the game system is interesting it's got a traditional d-pad kind of thing it's got uh some buttons it's got a hand crank on the side hand crank um yeah they they partnered with the uh with teenage engineering who make synthesizers and teenage engineering when they were working on this thing said it should have a hand crank and so it has a hand crank on the side of course it does well is this so no battery power or something is it A Clockwork no no it doesn't even do that it's it's a part of the games controller oh I see oh okay right when you enter your Wi-Fi password you use the crank to cycle through the alphabet okay right you know they it's got a monochrome screen which is actually more expensive to use than an OLED so so it's a bizarre thing that way and they're charging $150 for it and the way that it works is that for your $150 you get games throughout the year with it you get a it's like a subscription to a season's worth of games and so you don't know when the release dates are but you just wake up one morning and all of a sudden you've got a new game surprise and Delight is this going to be like Apple's new music or favorite music mix where you're just really enjoying it and they replace it all and you can't get back the the other one no I don't replace it they add oh there you go then this is what we want all right yeah what sort of game would I understand what sort of games they uh unclear yet to me exactly what the games are I haven't dug deeply enough into it yet but I'm excited for them because first of all making Hardware is hard second of all at the scale and quantities that they're making it in 150 is not unreasonable I mean it just it costs that it costs money to make hardware and this is a big undertaking this is not a small project trying to ship something like that is is very cool a lot of people make Hardware by saying you know what let's go make something and they take an Android roid phone that's a couple years out of date and they load some software on it and then they respin that into a new enclosure and they call it new hardware and that's one way of doing it but this this was engineered from the ground up and they should be proud yes I'm really pleased with that actually I mean I'm glad you told me it genuinely went past cuz the gaming thing but that's I make you smile kind of thing good on them no they they really should be proud and the games because they're using a d-pad and a hand crank and stuff are going to be games I mean this is not Assassin's Creed for play dat monochrome screen with a hand crank to control Assassin's Creed this is not AAA gaming kind of stuff like that this these are games that are going to have fun surprising mechanics that that just make you smile what's a dpad if you don't mind me asking what I imagine is a very obvious question okay so you know how you'll have um the the four-way control for up down left right or down left right with center button kind of Select thing oh yeah so they I I d-pad is commonly the five thing the the up down left right center I I think what they're using is probably a four control a four Direction control with with two or more buttons off to the right of that but um and it's just called D pads to mess with my head it's just the directional pad oh I see oh okay right right right that makes sense cool the things you learn are you going to get one D know ah man if I had budget I just spent money on a MacBook there that's true Christmas is quite a long way away it is but uh but I am so excited for panic they they deserve every bit of of good attention they get for this they are doing something really nice here excellent gosh William is there anything else you'd like to talk about today yes how did you miss that Pharma Pro 18 dropped this week well I don't know you're not a FileMaker user well I used to be I mean I was big from FileMaker 7 all the way through FileMaker 12 all right I think it was eight or nine that I joined in yes yeah and I I ran FileMaker servers I had FileMaker Pro server going on so that I could run a whole systems using that and the truth is I miss having server I I could use a good license for FileMaker 12 server but um well um don't C me on PR prices because it's actually now really complicated working at the prices but approximately $15 a month will get it to you or around $540 to buy it outright that's the standal loone version though you need servers yes it starts getting messy uh but I love phic a database program I actually run parts of my company entirely on faric I used to work at BBC worldwide the commercial end of the BBC and I was astonished how much of that run on FileMaker PR databases great what what I wish I mean FileMaker has a facility in it where it can talk to mySQL databases I wish that there were an interface as good as FileMaker and Bento remember Bento oh yes Bento I wish Bento came back and I wish FileMaker and I wish they talked to a a range of databases like Cassandra and my SQL and things like that because then then I feel like we'd have sort of the best of all worlds in terms of compatibility and maintenance and uh I don't know that Pharma doesn't to that I haven't actually heard of Cassandra before even so um obviously not an expert on this bit but give it a look you never know it can connect to all sorts of things yeah anyway new version came out this year strictly speaking Faker still does an annual uh release but actually it's be it's moved towards a continuous update thing so I I wouldn't have said this one has anything massive no one single feature that makes it a must buy if you've already got version 17 but there's so many tiny little bits that make you oh you know the more you use farmet the more pleased you'll be with what they've added and fixed in this so y for Farm makeer absolutely absolutely cool well that brings us to the end of a perfectly good episode of the Apple Insider podcast uh please email me at 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the scouttech podcast is on iTunes and anchor.fm scouttech check it out it's interesting we've got a couple episodes going up there and that's that's the stuff we should close out by saying thank you to Netgear when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi turn your Wi-Fi up a notch with n Gear's new line of Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 routers whether you're gaming online or watching Netflix in 4k it's like giving your streaming the VIP treatment you'll enjoy buffer free streaming in zero lag no matter how many devices are connected to your network upgrade your router at netgear.com wifi6 make your Wi-Fi feel young again man we should all Feel So Young all right William okay let's do this again next week oh yes see you then bye-bye all right cheers byeyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to the Apple Insider podcast I'm William Gallagher and joining me is Victor Mark you know I honestly think that in all fairness everybody should have a turn at being William Gallagher it just seems reasonable don't you think it's only fair let's maybe put it into your US Constitution thing that' be good okay I I think we Market is a holiday and calendar and you know the thing of it is right I think I can only handle one day of being William Gallagher a year Well to be truthful if I could walk away from me I would as well but then I've had it for a lot longer than a day so I think that seems fair I mean it's it's it's just too much to take on the responsibility is crushing hang on have we actually swapped though in which case can I ask you some questions about your bank accounts and passwords and things like that just just out of Interest really you you you can ask whatever you I'll make notes later excellent and we'll talk about that after the show welcome back this is the Apple Insider podcast and William I'm so glad you're here well I'm want to talk to you for a moment about Macintosh for schools oh yes yes yes yes it's good schools Max I I am I am in the position of buying a laptop for my daughter for her first year of high school School in the US and the school said that you can use Windows 10 machines or you can use a Mac in either case they want a core i5 or better they want 256 gig of storage or better so no 128 gig U MacBook airs from years and years ago okay right and they um and they want uh there there was one person in there who said what about Linux and they said yeah but you're on your own if you do and uh which was okay because apparently their parent is someone big in in the Ubuntu community so there's there's those kind of requirements going on around and jamp who has sponsored this podcast in the past but is not sponsoring this episode uh ran a survey and their survey found that most college and university students would prefer to use a Macintosh but that price is a considerable barrier which I as a as a parent and Hoster of this podcast can totally sympathize with I'm just curious to know how I mean I'm not knocking ja been g go for years and they do all sorts of things and it it's very interesting but there's just something about the way you phrase that that they asked this did they go up to students and say would you like this lovely Mac if you could afford it in which case you'd think more than however many said yes would have said yes but okay right so it's there's a totally valid question around how was the survey conducted what questions were asked and and so forth um and I don't have a copy of the survey here what I what I know so far is that this was a survey conducted by the research outfit ven Bourne so jamp paid for the study but Von bne conducted it and that the the the summary is that 71% of the students surveyed said they prefer a Mac even though 60% use a Windows PC of the people using a PC of that 60% 51% said they would switch if cost were not an issue okay so I imagine the first question was what devices do you currently use right what what devices do you own and they would ask things like PC and mac and Android and iPhone and so forth and and you know do you own a tablet do you own an iPad right that's those are common sorts of questions and and then I imagine that they would filter down from there you know if you own the PC why do you use the PC do you feel an aching void of loneliness in your soul that kind of thing yes yes well I I do but only because I'm will that fits you're doing me very well there yes I know yeah and they they suggest that from this data they see that uh many Mac and Windows units are pretty firmly entrenched that only 43% of PC users said that Macs provide the best value where that figure Rose to 80% among Mac users which which makes sense I mean when you ask the question about value you get into sticky things like cost or return and and stuff like that what people feel like they get out of it plus the fact that nobody goes and buys a Windows PC and goes and buy a Windows Mac and spends equivalent amount of time on each they buy one and if it works for them then it's good value um you commit to it right you get entrenched in it you start using applications and and honestly you know there's there's a couple different factors right there's the quality of the machine that you bought there's the quality of the operating system and how it works and whether or not it works for you the way that it's constructed you know how you get on with it and then there's the applications you use on it right you know I would I would say that most of the time you don't actually interact a whole lot with the OS I mean you're using the operating system and it's doing all the underlying work but you're not spending your whole day in finder I spend quite a remarkable amount of time in you're spending your whole day in Windows Explorer you know you're you're but you're writing in an application or your osing in an application or you're creating in an application you're not doing that Windows Explorer no that's true you're doing that in Microsoft Paint yeah right okay yeah has anybody ever tried to BMP you off then sorry that might be too British an expression uh bump somebody off his a anyway yes okay William so thanks thanks thanks for that Marx so uh the the data was collected this year early 2019 from a sample of 2,244 people across five countries okay now I don't know the distribution of the people among those five countries but that tends to to try and justify that this is not a small sample that this is a reasonable sample okay but I guess is it a surprise any of it really Matt gear is expensive but once you've got past yeah the the it hurts when you're paying once you've paid and you've got the machine then I think you find it it's worth it uh so yeah apple would sell more to students if they could make them cheaper but then that's a whole other issue so right but then you wind up with a problem and one of our our commenters on the website mentioned this where you know you you have beer money but champagne tastes so if you buy a uh if you if you bought a low Mac which they don't even make right if you bought a a substandard low Mac which was the thing that that remember when the iPad was being introduced where they before that they said we aren't going to make a netbook everyone was clamoring for apple to make a netbook and Steve Jobs said we're not going to make a netbook because we can't can't figure out how to make a good one right you can't make something that cheap and make it good and make it portable and all the things that it have to be to be a good Mac right so if they were able to make a lowcost Mac would it be good enough for people to actually want yes which would then undo the whole value thing if it wasn't and uh I do think apple is creative with its pricing I think it's really really good at charging precisely the right amount of money that's just more than you can afford so that you yeah they milk you for it and you know well done them I suppose but yes okay well here's they they have problems and part of the problem is being able to charge the right amount so that they a make margin and stay in business which used to be a real concern and B account for fluctuating prices on the supply side of things you know we used to hear all the time about how there was a storm in in Korea or a storm in Taiwan and it wiped out the factories that produce ssds or hard drives right or or produce RAM and so suddenly the prices go up because it's harder to get them now that the factories are wiped out which suddenly seems to be over the only problems now you get is if you're hway but otherwise everybody seems to be fine yeah yeah but I mean you know remember those things and of course the cost Apple would go up but they would not raise the price because they'd built enough room in to be able to absorb that well there also uh I I I should have appreciated this before but I never thought about it looking into the Apple card thing the fact that Apple will give you I can't remember now off the top my head what percentage back from anything you buy from them um I worked yeah so if you go buy a $10,000 iMac Pro you're getting a substantial chunk back and that's coming off that's coming from Apple so uh they have to be able to absorb that as well so pricing is a really interesting area I think and they they do do it well right and and so you know when you start making pricing you you construct what's called a cost calculator basically a large spreadsheet and the spreadsheet points out what the bill of materials cost is what the cost is the product when you get it on freight on board on a boat so that it arrives in the warehouse uh the landed cost you've had to pay Customs to get it into the country kind of thing um distribution costs what's it cost to get it warehoused where you need to get it warehoused and shipped around right and then uh what's a retailer margin what's what chunk does the retailer take when they sell it right and so you have to to do all of those to figure out here's what the thing actually costs to make and here's what everyone else needs to be paid along the way and at the very end is your profit margin uh well that's a Cost Plus model isn't it but yes it's a standard way of doing it uh it just does Apple end up with very expensive things when other manufacturers can sell PCS for threns well the difference is that they first of all are doing some things that other manufacturers aren't doing first of all you know like how many other people are using machined out of solid billets of aluminum for laptop cases genuinely don't know but yes Apple seem to be rather few there's there's all kinds of different stuff out there going although it all points to the same question at the end which is what are you going to buy for your daughter well she doesn't know it yet but I've already answered that I'm sorry I actually I don't follow um when terms things start so is it uh September that she'll be starting this or sooner a okay so that's quite quite close which is I had to sort this out I'm quite impressed with the school that they gave a spec list it's like um you you think they just let you get on with it as long as you can turn up and do the work what do they care but they're you know they're obviously aware that a lot of the parents won't be that familiar with stuff so they're helping them out by saying you need this this and this well and the other issue is is that the middle school had prepared a list for this kind of thing too and the Middle School favored Chromebooks over iPads they'd allow iPads but they weren't fond of them and so for things that they wanted to do that required Chromebooks they would go ahead and issue to the iPad students for a while kind of thing and the high school said nope don't turn up with a Chromebook because our testing regime isn't prepared for Chromebook we're prepared for having real machines and real browsers and so forth and so turn up with a machine like this and by the way 128 gig need not apply so what did I do what did what did what did William Gallagher I uh I I've been very busy on it uh I've been thinking about it a lot for the last minute or however long it is since told me about this and I think I probably did something a bit Hackintosh like I think I probably took the innards of a Mac Pro uh and a pencil case and put them together with some sort of home kit apparatus how does that sound I thought strongly about Hackintosh and I thought about getting a hulet Packard Elite book which are among the most compatible kind of things for that sort of thing and when I researched it deeply I found that there was going to be some issue with power management that it may not be easy to get sleep working properly sleeper hibernate working properly and so I um I decided not to do hacking even though I went to the trouble of saying apparatus in an American pronunciation instead of apparatus as we would say here how that took some effort and you're just ignoring it and it was good it was very good of you and uh I purchased a 200 15 13-in MacBook Air with 128 gig and then separately purchased an M2 nvme SSD drive off of Amazon knowing full well that these are incompatible with mac and purchased an adapter oh I see right to adapt the Mac SSD slot to this SSD drive and one of the things that's rumored to be a problem with these sort of adapted things is that they don't support hibernate properly which sounds a lot like the thing that I was avoiding with Hackintosh but there are are conflicting reports that suggest that it does work and so I purchased a one terabyte SSD and this adapter and I'm going to see if it works oh okay um hang on let's just work through well I'm curious to know how much are you gambling here and whether it works or not but also I have no idea how you get inside uh any type of MacBook to put this stuff in or am I completely misunderstanding and you're just gluing it on the back no no the bottom cover comes off and you remove the drive from the old slot and you screw in the new one okay and uh the the cost of the MacBook used was 300 bucks I negotiated for that 300 bucks and so a 2015 MacBook Air for 300 bucks I pretty good about that and the cost of the crucial one terabyte drive that I bought was about 115 and the adapter was another $15 plus presumably deliveries postage whatever some sort of uh free delivery Amazon oh uh was that was of the uh the drive so if it doesn't work are you able to return it I believe so yes when will he you know when are you going to get screw but that puts me in a position of having a a MacBook Air that doesn't have the correct amount of storage that the school requires now there are two approaches to that one is just send her with it anyway and see what they say right and the other approach is to then talk to someone like Max sales the O OBC who have compatible drives but they cost significantly more and uh see if something can be arranged there go ahead and purchase Drive lots of possibilities good but there are options we're not out of options but the 2015 was was selected because it has the traditional keyboard okay so let's talk keyboards for a moment right previously on keyboards yes previously on keyboard Insider Apple released a service program yes they they have an updated butter fly keyboard repair program and the the keyboard repair program covers what I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say yeah keyboards go on I thought so so I see kind of insightful use you get out of talking to me yes can we have Mike back in the do I do love it he's thinking about it thanks okay uh yes so uh they have keyboards and support for keyboards everybody's happy yeah and so the keyboard program says that uh any of the the keyboards that that fail uh will be covered and will be upgraded to the new version if they're of the the V3 form factor right if they're the ones that were shipped in 2018 they'll be upgraded to this new version 4 keyboard that Apple's revised okay well that seems good that is quite expensive for Apple depending on how many there are and things but okay all right so the new keyboard fits the 2018 MacBook Pro and the 2018 MacBook Air uh previous models get the second generation keyboard mechanism which was better than the first generation one found in the 2015 MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro those ones will still get service but they won't get updated to the new model of keyboard that was just announced as a part of the new Macbook Pro that was announced what there were new Macbook Pros and we and we're taking till now to mention them okay well not only are there new Macbook Pros but the new Macbook Pros also qualify for the service program how is that okay that did give me pause for a moment there I mean we've talked about this before I actually like the keyboards on it I mean there are others I prefer but I'm quite fine uh working on them uh I suppose I've certainly never had any problems but I haven't used them for for long enough to really feel it and if you've got a problem then it's kind of crucial isn't it so this is all good that's yeah that's what it comes down to is you know if if you enjoy typing on it wonderful if you never have a problem brilliant fantastic but when you do have a problem if you do get one then then that's sort of the end of the the world for you right that's a real pain especially if typing is your livelihood but even of it isn't the the act of typing something and having something other than you expect happen is not good yes absolutely yeah and you know there there are people who have opinions on the whole keyboard thing like you know they they took something that appealed to pretty much everyone and worked for pretty much everyone and worked without a whole lot of failure and turned it into something that's polarized but thinner and polarizing give them that right but if it doesn't work for for you know ballparking it just as half the people that that want a machine from you and you don't sell any other models then what does that mean it means you push them to PCS or like you did to older MacBooks just as in the side can we just compliment apple on how well their MacBooks look because I I was away the other week doing book research uh I took a 2009 MacBook uh with me to work on it and uh I've I've had keyboard problems with it for years why I don't use it much but I brought an external keyboard did all the work it was gorgeous 10 years old that machine yeah I have a 10-year-old one also I just bought a power supply and a battery for it yeah it was the 13inch aluminum one that I've got there was the 15in um aluminium so there we go I have one of those as well but it's probably word all the stress on the vowels isn't it yes so uh we haven't actually mentioned the new MacBooks we talked about one bit of it which I admit is is significant uh but what do you think about the new MacBooks do you do you want one personally no personally not not especially I my thought and this is just a suspicion is that that okay we ran into that tutorial written by our own Daniel Aaron dger and Daniel Aon deler says that reporting about the MacBook Pro is failing at a faster rate than the butterfly keep that is he he thinks yeah he he believes that the butterfly keyboard doesn't really have a a failure rate worth commenting on but that journalists are all over this as as beating the drum of Apple's dying it's the new form of Apple is dying okay cuz we needed a new one of those yes and yeah we absolutely had to have a new one of those I I think he is kind of incorrect you should get him on about this and and the reason that I think he is a little incorrect here is that the that the problem is not the actual numbers that the keyboard fails in the problem is in the perception and if people are considering buying a machine and they read online that there are complaints about this thing that's enough to scare them away yes yes Al that it's a it's an issue of who is perceiving what if all journalists are going on this but I'm not somebody who ever looks at coverage of Apple gear I just need a machine I'm not going to know about that and I'm going to buy it for all the good and bad of that you you you drop ,000 you're not going to read about it well actually possibly not if I'm a long-term Mac User I need a new Mac um I might go compare them in the store to see what I see but I'm not going to go get out what or which Windows uh first right but if you're one of the 60% of the people surveyed in the first part of this that said they would like to switch to Mac um which you know you you know you'd be reading about it first especially if you were on a budget and that's concerning the the perception of the problem is a real Pro it makes I agree that this the problem the perception of the problem I just think we don't know the degree of either of them um really so yes but but putting the newly launched machines in coverage in the repair program why thorough is is unusual it it's it's on on one hand it's acknowledging the problem yes which is always the first step on the other hand it's trying to reassure customers that they don't have to worry about the problem but that's also a little concerning so my my suspicion and my hope is that you know and it's just pure speculation but if if they're doing that they are aware that they have to do something and I I would hope that that means that there's another keyboard in the offing that maybe goes away from this problem and maybe even goes away from this design what are the odds though because they've spent five years doing this design almost and it's it's clearly not actually that was something that really surprised me how long we've had these butterfly keyboards 201 like moment ago but yeah this is third or fourth version of them I mean I don't see them making uh MacBooks thicker to accommodate uh a deeper travel keyboard but yes I'd never imagined a butterfly keyboard before maybe there are people there imagining much better caterpillar keyboards for the future that would be that' be quite good yes but you're just looking at me there there's got to be something to this and and one position Daniel's position is that there isn't a problem and that Apple's going to keep iterating until there isn't a problem and the other solution is is finding a new design um I wish sure I could remember how long the previous cable the kind of chicklet keyboard style lasted I mean a long time so uh that debuted with the first unibody Max which was 200 I want to say 2009 wow my machine was one of the first cool I mean well well I mean we had the white chicklet Macs uh further back the white Chet MacBooks were 200 that when they were still called iBooks 2006 no no uh iBooks predated and iBooks did have chicklet style Keys um the white eye books do the white eye books have Chate style Keys No I don't think they but the Mac but but The PowerBook line kept with the the traditional style key before the Chicklets for a long time until the 2008 2009 time frame I like the chicklet style but um I do too I wasn't unhappy with the butterfly one I'm also not particularly interested in the new MacBooks I think just for um I don't have a compelling need to get a new Macbook at the moment so I've kind of zoned out a little bit I think what they offer seems very good so if I was in the market uh in fact actually um if you are me and I AMU I think i/ you let's be clear here about Bron outs should be buying your daughter a new Macbook Pro that would solve everything there you go sort it out well yeah yeah it would but as of today we're still going to try out this 13-inch MacBook a right so you're putting your interest in assembling a Macbook above the needs of your own daughter what I'm considering is that I know my daughter and I know that she's hard on Mach I presume you also know your budget which is what I thought you would lead with there so well you know my budget as well right being me you got my currently working through several accounts yes I feel 300300 sorry $300 next to uh 2 and half Grand at least for I can see a discrepancy there but okay right if you're not going to be yeah even even 1,200 for a 12in Macbook there's a discrepancy uh you know don't cheap out on this Go the whole rout yeah yes absolutely absolutely but the you know the the 2009 MacBook that she's carried around uh has dents and dings in it and and battle scars and yeah do I feel better about a $300 machine in her hands for that sort of thing I'm not going to ask what she did but as long as she doesn't have dents and dings in then I'm fine with that yeah let the machine take it all yeah exactly okay absolutely let it carry the brunt of that interestingly some some guy named William Gallagher posted a story on Apple Insider he keeps doing that uh what's he done there I know he should he does though he keeps on doing it um 2019 iPhone models listed in your ra regulatory filing and I bet you can quote them all can you no well there are number I you up with A2 I think I may have added too many digits in there you fill out the rest and ending ending with a2223 it's one of my personal favorites actually it's it's a classic number anyway 11 different models of phones now this this number includes the different variations made for different countries and different uh you know different modems and LTE bands and kind of things now there's no requirement that these numbers follow any sort of pattern no and yet but they do but it is interesting that they they are a set like that right yes I mean uh without listing the numbers if anybody hasn't memorized these they might be wondering what the sets are but as I recall um it's 11 numbers isn't it the first and the last are a little bit out from the rest but then in the middle there are two sets so it's there's there's uh a2111 and I'm going to read them like that so that we can hear the differences a2161 a2115 a22 a 8225 8226 and 17 18 19 20 21 so from 2215 all the way through 2221 they're all sequential yes and the the a2160 and 2161 are a pair but they're alone and the 2111 and the 2223 on either end of the spectrum are also to I think those the first and the last one is your sapple kidding messing with our heads that's what that is uh there there there has been speculation that the 2160 and 61 that those two together uh the 2019 equivalent to the iPhone uh 10 R but I've no idea how anybody got that I work through the rest comparing them to actually does that not sound terrible I sat there with a calculator and model numbers trying to work out things there are uh seven I think numbers there between 15 and 21 so much for a calculator okay oh so you got three different models yes right and you got three different storage sizes for those different models potentially although you could have just two different storage sizes for those models yes but which would make sense for the the sort of pairs so you have one model that might be like a low entry model on its own yes right and that's just the storage size you get kind of like the SE like you need a cheap phone you need an iPhone SE here's your phone and it comes in that storage size and there's your price so that's one way you could have one model number at the the low end of this range of numbers presuming and it's a presumption that these numbers correspond to you know higher lowend pricing yes it's a reasonable assumption but is and then you got a pair which could be the same model of phone but with different storage sizes and then you've got this one two 3 four five six seven different numbers that are that are sequential so seven numbers is a bit weird because you can't just divide them in half and say okay there are two models there and you get two types of storage each but it also but also we've we've totally thrown out the idea that there are variances in the modem is equipped for different carriers and for different regions dual SIM business physical dual SIM yeah and the dual SIM business and it's just all too complex yes so I would also like to point out that as well I I I mean we know that these are iPhones because it actually says uh in the the billing sorry we didn't say this in the UR there are certain types of Machinery that have to be registered legal requirements with the Eurasian economic commission that's what these are for uh and very often it's just the numbers and apple but this time it does say every one of them is quotes uh smartphones of the trademark Apple so we know they're iPhones uh but beyond that I sometimes wonder about these numbers CU there was a case last year towards the end of last year when it looked absolutely certain there would be I think it was four uh new Maxs come out and I think we probably had them by now but we didn't get them when we expected so who knows when these things are this also seems a bit early actually but right well they're they're placeholders and they have to be tested and so forth and so you know it's it's uh it's a thing interesting but nothing says exactly when the the thing about the iPhone is that you know Macs can come whenever they want to release a Mac an iPhone you tend to know when they're going to released yes they have changed that in the past but they but from moving for a June or July I can't remember now to a September time but it originally June 299th to uh to the fall September nov a Barren long wait year I remember it well it was it was yeah well I'll tell you what what we know so far what we expect so far is that the 2019 2019 iPhone is expected to have a triple camera system a super wide lens an improved front-facing camera and that the antenna technology is changing what's the stuff with the antenna technology uh so there are different types of antenna materials in use and that um the the antenna that are currently used in 10s and 10s Max and 10r is really quite expensive and so it looks like for 2019 we're going to change to a different material different process which has more suppliers which will help bring the price down and then in 2020 or so when we start doing 5G that by that time the more expensive material will come down in price and be used for the 5 the price coming down for apple or for us yeah okay because I was worried about them there but yes no no price coming down for Apple this is totally relevant but it fascinates me how uh as the world is becoming seemingly very polar ized politically culturally all sorts of things uh the machines we rely on are so intertwined across the entire planet it's just FAS I mean look at how how how uh problems for them um how Reliant they are how Reliant all of these companies are on everybody else it's an amazing little thing we've ended up with well huawe has big problems because of all of the the different things that are knock on a effects from the the order to not you know the the the do not do business with them problem so Android revoked the license Google revoked the Android license to Huawei which means now they're going have to find a different operating system to ship and that their customers would be interested in using Samsung maybe could pull that off with Tien Samsung might be able to pull that off switching people to Tien but Huawei has no such plan for that that we know no yeah not good I mean they could they could talk to LG I mean web OS used to be open source LG bought it but it it was open source they might be able to revive web OS but that would be a gargantuan what was the thing I heard about there being a an open source version of uh Androids that they could use I see I don't know enough about Android to follow the the logic here but is it that there is a different flavor of Android they can have AO AOSP is the Android open source project and a USP gets you a bunch of stuff but it doesn't get you to what you would call an Android phone exactly because you don't get any of the other services along with it you don't get Google Maps you don't get the Google Play Store you don't get Play services you don't get updates nicely so so then they'd have to make their own compiled updates through AOSP and issue their there're all kinds of I think you missed a bit there they'd have to make their own updates and then not spread them out to the phones just to give the same sort of experience that real Android users get but I see your point yeah yes yes absolutely but it is a a difficult thing to it's a big undertaking and it yeah it's problematic now I can't tell you I was in a meeting but they they have they have bigger problems right because arm is no longer working with them so I got they got to figure out how to get processors you know they're going to have to start taking lodes in every phone they're gonna have to figure out how to get modems because you know Qualcomm oh maybe they can go to Intel no okay um or yeah similar problem possibly more even but yes so yeah so so this is a big thing I mean does it spell the end of Huawei well you're the one who talks about perception I was saying this a long meeting yesterday big meeting and the number of times people actually directed a comment to their phones because they said China was listening through them uh well it was funny at first but it was actually quite remarkably repetitive throughout the day that perception is out there um and what can you do about that were those Android users Hawaii users uh a couple Android users um all the people with iPhones just waited till it was over but you know it I I have to say actually they did it very amusingly but um I was yeah yeah one of those the first time funny second time not so much well these are talented people it was first second and maybe fourth time funny but there's always diminishing returns yes I don't think any of them are listening to us here so could be okay here but no it's just you me and 20,000 of our closest friends no it's just the three of us isn't it I'm very happy for that just the three of us CH in a way it is I I actually I feel sorry for her I mean if they are doing what they are accused of then uh this is obviously good that it's being stopped uh but yeah you who knows what's technology what's uh politics and I I find it disturbing that a company can be dismembered like this remotely um what if it was my company what if somebody managed to do it to Apple true very true now there we talked in the past about how rural telecoms use Huawei and ZTE gear to power their their T oh yes and the UK uh is looking to do it use them for stuff yes yeah well vone is launching 5G using Huawei gear okay so there is a proposed US Senate bill that would set aside $700 million to rural telecoms in order to tell them you know help them avoid Huawei gear B basically subsidizing the the purchase of compet competitive products all right so there are competitive projects is there are competing products if you're a hway customer of that scale it's just hway stuffed okay right yeah I mean it's a it's a price problem a lot like we were talking about with that jam survey right you know Windows users would love to afford Mac but but can't while rural telecoms aren't exactly rolling in m so who would they buy who would if jum surveyed them who would they say they would rather be buying that's a good question that's a very good question I mean you'd think it'd be things like Cisco and uh and and Qualcomm stuff okay the uh Senate bill hasn't specified that because well the the bill is not law it's not regulation yet it's just simply a proposal this point speaking of of security and flaws and and exposing user information right a security researcher discovered a flaw on Instagram's website oh well at least it isn't Facebook I know I know I couldn't Instagram property of Facebook so in a surprise move what's going wrong with them left user contact information exposed for months so my my photographs of sunsets have been exposed to hackers the world over right so David Styer or steer a data scientist and business consultant discovered earlier this year an issue with Instagram's website in which source code for some user profiles contained private contact information that's not made available on public to facing Pages ouch so he he showed archived version of Instagram profiles dating back to October 2018 believes thousands of accounts were impacted by the flaw including Pages belong to private individuals who have locked their accounts right private individuals Miners and businesses sorry miners miners uh isn't there an age limit uh on Instagram the way there is on uh Facebook and things there are tons of minors on Instagram okay yeah Facebook doesn't care Facebook has signed up miners for Facebook and when there were people spending inapp currency in Facebook games and parents complained you know how did you let my kid spend all this money they in private documentation behind the scenes referred to the kid as a whale which is the term that you refer used to refer to a person with a gambling problem in Vegas wow okay and said and said we're not refunding the money which it's illegal the kid is not allowed to spend the money like that Facebook doesn't care law it's whatever Facebook can get away with well that seems to be the stage of the world anyway at the moment but okay yes yes yeah so Instagram exposed this information the researcher informed Instagram of the problem in February company issued a patch in March but the the reason why it's news now is that it was open for so long it presented a prime opportunity to collect sensitive information on people and there's there's a guess that bad actors were able to create a database of user contact information by scraping Instagram's website during that four-month period a report on Monday revealed an unsecured database maintained by Indian social media marketing firm Chatterbox leaked personal contact information tied to millions of Instagram influencer accounts including users not even affiliated with that company so that database has 49 million records and it's it's a figure that's continuing to grow until the list was pulled from Amazon web servfaces that day so Chatterbox said that they don't that the information it gathered was not private nor was it sourced une ethically which leads back to the idea of just scraping the web now Instagram's terms of use prohibit profile scraping but Chatterbox hasn't clarified exactly how they obtained that data that was not easily available to General users so Instagram for their part says they're investigating sty report and The Chatterbox database on the positive side Chatterbox is a good name I bet they take out various letters don't they take out the vowels shoot them they they they have disen vowed it for you yes disen vowed what brilliant phrase oh I'm having that you like that yes excellent and since you're me for some reason that I've actually not fully comprehended yet uh I thought of that so thank you very much me I'm having that yeah well done you well done me I'm impressed one of those things right tell me about WWDC it's this big thing Apple does every year and uh Tim Cook comes out and says good morning and that wasn't a very good impersonation of anybody and no one goes there because it's too popular right no okay yeah it's nearly impossible to get a ticket but the the 2019 schedule has revealed that something called replay kit will be coming to Mac OS later this year ah no let me tell that I I thought I knew all of the kits uh I mean i't studied it like we do product numbers and in regulatory filings uh but I had honestly never heard of Replay kit before this week uh is that just my ignorance or is it um yeah not very well known what's it do actually I mean it's it's a good question do you know what it does not clue okay um should we just make up something between us absolutely okay uh it's probably a misspelling of reply it does emails automatically it's reply kit that's what everybody's just getting wrong yeah as a framework for emails well done William do I get points for Speed at least okay something to do with screens isn't it I presume recording something or playing back something I right so the the concept is that it is um it allows iOS users record and share content via control center so when you go ahead and make a a screen sharing movie kind of thing that's what that is you're you're using replay kit under the covers oh I have used that feature it's really useful so what if you now make that available to other applications and furthermore what if you make that available back on Mac OS soorry do you mean the facility the ability to record and to incorporate that into applications okay make it available to other people right yeah except QuickTime Player on the Mac can already do screen grabs and things that quick Time Players dead William oh hasn't been touched in ages it's it's a dead duck oh I use it I know it's actually a very good audio recorder but uh you know I know but uh so that's that's what's going on is that uh there is a session that Steven trouton Smith pointed out on Twitter for uh Mac OS iOS and tvos with with as a replay kit Rat Lab there's also a session on exploring new data representations in healthkit which which claims to teach people about or supposes to teach people about modern storage for high frequency Health Data types accessing beat to beat heart rate data and uh and how to sort of bring in an entire new dimension of Health to your users with new support for hearing Health it's F I was just thinking as you said that all of this is going on whenever anybody say asks about WWDC and mentions it what they tend to be talking about is the opening two hours or whatever it is it's the whole the Keye with product stuff yeah I might only have access to this because I'm a developer but a lot of the sessions for the rest of the week are filmed and at some point do go out on the developer website I don't know if that's commonly available elsewhere but some of them are really really interesting about the most minute parts of Apple software and deeply appreciate and then you know you see proper developers using their stuff in their apps and so the whole week is going to be just a a Boom full of things to enjoy later absolutely well one of my favorites is is a one that was given a couple years ago by Ken Kenda which was a talk in in the Frameworks discussion entitled a strategy for great work stories and the lessons learned from them okay and uh I I really do enjoy that one now kendri shenda we've had him on the show before he's great and it was something special to to be able to watch this the session that he gave and really figure out listen to him and sort of hear about what makes a great project cool is that publicly available still could we put them in the show notes or something if it's around uh we'll try and link to that I I download slides from that as PDF it's pretty awesome yeah actually that's a thought sorry I've just thinking about software developers um there's a podcast devoted to Omni made by the Omni group you do Omni Focus Omni outline and stuff and just terribly entertaining podcast and I seem to remember somebody on there talking about how the whole company works really hard to get all its big software updates finished and shipped just before WWDC so they can kind of clear the decks and either enjoy everything Apple gives them or Panic about what Apple's taken away so yeah and and panic you know it's interesting because you just said it's the name of the company too it's the name of a company yes uh possibly a different no but well well done there on that okay I need to talk a little bit for a moment about Wi-Fi cool you upgrade your smartphone your TV and your laptop when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi oh goodness me I'm actually looking at it now but it's a lot of years since I even thought about it 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using a a Netgear Nighthawk ax12 router which is one of these wifi6 routers and I'm I'm going to tell you in the future episodes what I think of the thing but it is it is a fantast it looks like a little batwing kind of thing it's a really interestingly shaped router and it seems to be super powerful can we just back over here why aren't you going to tell us now is that just mean yes okay fair enough well as long as there a reason okay yeah absolutely that's exactly what is now you mentioned Panic a second ago and I want to talk about panic because they announced of all things a handheld game station game computer yes did you see that yeah I'm I think we've covered this before I'm so not a game I was I'm aware of it but I couldn't I'm never going to use it so it's going to pass me by Panic I know for very different pieces of s like transmit was uh is theirs and stuff and now they're doing what some sort of Nintendo like thing or something well don't say that so disparagingly well they uh they years ago Steve Jobs said something to the effect of if if you people who want to make good software should make Hardware something like this and I know I'm mangling the quote but it was something to that effect you remember right absolutely it was a good point okay so they took it on board okay they they said in a Twitter post that they realized that they don't have any stockholders they own their own company the only thing holding them back from doing something is themselves excellent oh I like that okay yes and so they you know they've made numerous applications yes why shouldn't they make Hardware that's great oh well good luck to them for that I like it right and so they made this this game system and the game system is interesting it's got a traditional d-pad kind of thing it's got uh some buttons it's got a hand crank on the side hand crank um yeah they they partnered with the uh with teenage engineering who make synthesizers and teenage engineering when they were working on this thing said it should have a hand crank and so it has a hand crank on the side of course it does well is this so no battery power or something is it A Clockwork no no it doesn't even do that it's it's a part of the games controller oh I see oh okay right when you enter your Wi-Fi password you use the crank to cycle through the alphabet okay right you know they it's got a monochrome screen which is actually more expensive to use than an OLED so so it's a bizarre thing that way and they're charging $150 for it and the way that it works is that for your $150 you get games throughout the year with it you get a it's like a subscription to a season's worth of games and so you don't know when the release dates are but you just wake up one morning and all of a sudden you've got a new game surprise and Delight is this going to be like Apple's new music or favorite music mix where you're just really enjoying it and they replace it all and you can't get back the the other one no I don't replace it they add oh there you go then this is what we want all right yeah what sort of game would I understand what sort of games they uh unclear yet to me exactly what the games are I haven't dug deeply enough into it yet but I'm excited for them because first of all making Hardware is hard second of all at the scale and quantities that they're making it in 150 is not unreasonable I mean it just it costs that it costs money to make hardware and this is a big undertaking this is not a small project trying to ship something like that is is very cool a lot of people make Hardware by saying you know what let's go make something and they take an Android roid phone that's a couple years out of date and they load some software on it and then they respin that into a new enclosure and they call it new hardware and that's one way of doing it but this this was engineered from the ground up and they should be proud yes I'm really pleased with that actually I mean I'm glad you told me it genuinely went past cuz the gaming thing but that's I make you smile kind of thing good on them no they they really should be proud and the games because they're using a d-pad and a hand crank and stuff are going to be games I mean this is not Assassin's Creed for play dat monochrome screen with a hand crank to control Assassin's Creed this is not AAA gaming kind of stuff like that this these are games that are going to have fun surprising mechanics that that just make you smile what's a dpad if you don't mind me asking what I imagine is a very obvious question okay so you know how you'll have um the the four-way control for up down left right or down left right with center button kind of Select thing oh yeah so they I I d-pad is commonly the five thing the the up down left right center I I think what they're using is probably a four control a four Direction control with with two or more buttons off to the right of that but um and it's just called D pads to mess with my head it's just the directional pad oh I see oh okay right right right that makes sense cool the things you learn are you going to get one D know ah man if I had budget I just spent money on a MacBook there that's true Christmas is quite a long way away it is but uh but I am so excited for panic they they deserve every bit of of good attention they get for this they are doing something really nice here excellent gosh William is there anything else you'd like to talk about today yes how did you miss that Pharma Pro 18 dropped this week well I don't know you're not a FileMaker user well I used to be I mean I was big from FileMaker 7 all the way through FileMaker 12 all right I think it was eight or nine that I joined in yes yeah and I I ran FileMaker servers I had FileMaker Pro server going on so that I could run a whole systems using that and the truth is I miss having server I I could use a good license for FileMaker 12 server but um well um don't C me on PR prices because it's actually now really complicated working at the prices but approximately $15 a month will get it to you or around $540 to buy it outright that's the standal loone version though you need servers yes it starts getting messy uh but I love phic a database program I actually run parts of my company entirely on faric I used to work at BBC worldwide the commercial end of the BBC and I was astonished how much of that run on FileMaker PR databases great what what I wish I mean FileMaker has a facility in it where it can talk to mySQL databases I wish that there were an interface as good as FileMaker and Bento remember Bento oh yes Bento I wish Bento came back and I wish FileMaker and I wish they talked to a a range of databases like Cassandra and my SQL and things like that because then then I feel like we'd have sort of the best of all worlds in terms of compatibility and maintenance and uh I don't know that Pharma doesn't to that I haven't actually heard of Cassandra before even so um obviously not an expert on this bit but give it a look you never know it can connect to all sorts of things yeah anyway new version came out this year strictly speaking Faker still does an annual uh release but actually it's be it's moved towards a continuous update thing so I I wouldn't have said this one has anything massive no one single feature that makes it a must buy if you've already got version 17 but there's so many tiny little bits that make you oh you know the more you use farmet the more pleased you'll be with what they've added and fixed in this so y for Farm makeer absolutely absolutely cool well that brings us to the end of a perfectly good episode of the Apple Insider podcast uh please email me at williiam appapple insider.com they can email me you at Victor insider.com where can we find you on the internet probably Consulting my lawyers about this whole identity theft thing that's that's really it otherwise W gallager on Twitter and and I am at the end of William William gallagher.com excuse me 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walk away from me I would as well but then I've had it for a lot longer than a day so I think that seems fair I mean it's it's it's just too much to take on the responsibility is crushing hang on have we actually swapped though in which case can I ask you some questions about your bank accounts and passwords and things like that just just out of Interest really you you you can ask whatever you I'll make notes later excellent and we'll talk about that after the show welcome back this is the Apple Insider podcast and William I'm so glad you're here well I'm want to talk to you for a moment about Macintosh for schools oh yes yes yes yes it's good schools Max I I am I am in the position of buying a laptop for my daughter for her first year of high school School in the US and the school said that you can use Windows 10 machines or you can use a Mac in either case they want a core i5 or better they want 256 gig of storage or better so no 128 gig U MacBook airs from years and years ago okay right and they um and they want uh there there was one person in there who said what about Linux and they said yeah but you're on your own if you do and uh which was okay because apparently their parent is someone big in in the Ubuntu community so there's there's those kind of requirements going on around and jamp who has sponsored this podcast in the past but is not sponsoring this episode uh ran a survey and their survey found that most college and university students would prefer to use a Macintosh but that price is a considerable barrier which I as a as a parent and Hoster of this podcast can totally sympathize with I'm just curious to know how I mean I'm not knocking ja been g go for years and they do all sorts of things and it it's very interesting but there's just something about the way you phrase that that they asked this did they go up to students and say would you like this lovely Mac if you could afford it in which case you'd think more than however many said yes would have said yes but okay right so it's there's a totally valid question around how was the survey conducted what questions were asked and and so forth um and I don't have a copy of the survey here what I what I know so far is that this was a survey conducted by the research outfit ven Bourne so jamp paid for the study but Von bne conducted it and that the the the summary is that 71% of the students surveyed said they prefer a Mac even though 60% use a Windows PC of the people using a PC of that 60% 51% said they would switch if cost were not an issue okay so I imagine the first question was what devices do you currently use right what what devices do you own and they would ask things like PC and mac and Android and iPhone and so forth and and you know do you own a tablet do you own an iPad right that's those are common sorts of questions and and then I imagine that they would filter down from there you know if you own the PC why do you use the PC do you feel an aching void of loneliness in your soul that kind of thing yes yes well I I do but only because I'm will that fits you're doing me very well there yes I know yeah and they they suggest that from this data they see that uh many Mac and Windows units are pretty firmly entrenched that only 43% of PC users said that Macs provide the best value where that figure Rose to 80% among Mac users which which makes sense I mean when you ask the question about value you get into sticky things like cost or return and and stuff like that what people feel like they get out of it plus the fact that nobody goes and buys a Windows PC and goes and buy a Windows Mac and spends equivalent amount of time on each they buy one and if it works for them then it's good value um you commit to it right you get entrenched in it you start using applications and and honestly you know there's there's a couple different factors right there's the quality of the machine that you bought there's the quality of the operating system and how it works and whether or not it works for you the way that it's constructed you know how you get on with it and then there's the applications you use on it right you know I would I would say that most of the time you don't actually interact a whole lot with the OS I mean you're using the operating system and it's doing all the underlying work but you're not spending your whole day in finder I spend quite a remarkable amount of time in you're spending your whole day in Windows Explorer you know you're you're but you're writing in an application or your osing in an application or you're creating in an application you're not doing that Windows Explorer no that's true you're doing that in Microsoft Paint yeah right okay yeah has anybody ever tried to BMP you off then sorry that might be too British an expression uh bump somebody off his a anyway yes okay William so thanks thanks thanks for that Marx so uh the the data was collected this year early 2019 from a sample of 2,244 people across five countries okay now I don't know the distribution of the people among those five countries but that tends to to try and justify that this is not a small sample that this is a reasonable sample okay but I guess is it a surprise any of it really Matt gear is expensive but once you've got past yeah the the it hurts when you're paying once you've paid and you've got the machine then I think you find it it's worth it uh so yeah apple would sell more to students if they could make them cheaper but then that's a whole other issue so right but then you wind up with a problem and one of our our commenters on the website mentioned this where you know you you have beer money but champagne tastes so if you buy a uh if you if you bought a low Mac which they don't even make right if you bought a a substandard low Mac which was the thing that that remember when the iPad was being introduced where they before that they said we aren't going to make a netbook everyone was clamoring for apple to make a netbook and Steve Jobs said we're not going to make a netbook because we can't can't figure out how to make a good one right you can't make something that cheap and make it good and make it portable and all the things that it have to be to be a good Mac right so if they were able to make a lowcost Mac would it be good enough for people to actually want yes which would then undo the whole value thing if it wasn't and uh I do think apple is creative with its pricing I think it's really really good at charging precisely the right amount of money that's just more than you can afford so that you yeah they milk you for it and you know well done them I suppose but yes okay well here's they they have problems and part of the problem is being able to charge the right amount so that they a make margin and stay in business which used to be a real concern and B account for fluctuating prices on the supply side of things you know we used to hear all the time about how there was a storm in in Korea or a storm in Taiwan and it wiped out the factories that produce ssds or hard drives right or or produce RAM and so suddenly the prices go up because it's harder to get them now that the factories are wiped out which suddenly seems to be over the only problems now you get is if you're hway but otherwise everybody seems to be fine yeah yeah but I mean you know remember those things and of course the cost Apple would go up but they would not raise the price because they'd built enough room in to be able to absorb that well there also uh I I I should have appreciated this before but I never thought about it looking into the Apple card thing the fact that Apple will give you I can't remember now off the top my head what percentage back from anything you buy from them um I worked yeah so if you go buy a $10,000 iMac Pro you're getting a substantial chunk back and that's coming off that's coming from Apple so uh they have to be able to absorb that as well so pricing is a really interesting area I think and they they do do it well right and and so you know when you start making pricing you you construct what's called a cost calculator basically a large spreadsheet and the spreadsheet points out what the bill of materials cost is what the cost is the product when you get it on freight on board on a boat so that it arrives in the warehouse uh the landed cost you've had to pay Customs to get it into the country kind of thing um distribution costs what's it cost to get it warehoused where you need to get it warehoused and shipped around right and then uh what's a retailer margin what's what chunk does the retailer take when they sell it right and so you have to to do all of those to figure out here's what the thing actually costs to make and here's what everyone else needs to be paid along the way and at the very end is your profit margin uh well that's a Cost Plus model isn't it but yes it's a standard way of doing it uh it just does Apple end up with very expensive things when other manufacturers can sell PCS for threns well the difference is that they first of all are doing some things that other manufacturers aren't doing first of all you know like how many other people are using machined out of solid billets of aluminum for laptop cases genuinely don't know but yes Apple seem to be rather few there's there's all kinds of different stuff out there going although it all points to the same question at the end which is what are you going to buy for your daughter well she doesn't know it yet but I've already answered that I'm sorry I actually I don't follow um when terms things start so is it uh September that she'll be starting this or sooner a okay so that's quite quite close which is I had to sort this out I'm quite impressed with the school that they gave a spec list it's like um you you think they just let you get on with it as long as you can turn up and do the work what do they care but they're you know they're obviously aware that a lot of the parents won't be that familiar with stuff so they're helping them out by saying you need this this and this well and the other issue is is that the middle school had prepared a list for this kind of thing too and the Middle School favored Chromebooks over iPads they'd allow iPads but they weren't fond of them and so for things that they wanted to do that required Chromebooks they would go ahead and issue to the iPad students for a while kind of thing and the high school said nope don't turn up with a Chromebook because our testing regime isn't prepared for Chromebook we're prepared for having real machines and real browsers and so forth and so turn up with a machine like this and by the way 128 gig need not apply so what did I do what did what did what did William Gallagher I uh I I've been very busy on it uh I've been thinking about it a lot for the last minute or however long it is since told me about this and I think I probably did something a bit Hackintosh like I think I probably took the innards of a Mac Pro uh and a pencil case and put them together with some sort of home kit apparatus how does that sound I thought strongly about Hackintosh and I thought about getting a hulet Packard Elite book which are among the most compatible kind of things for that sort of thing and when I researched it deeply I found that there was going to be some issue with power management that it may not be easy to get sleep working properly sleeper hibernate working properly and so I um I decided not to do hacking even though I went to the trouble of saying apparatus in an American pronunciation instead of apparatus as we would say here how that took some effort and you're just ignoring it and it was good it was very good of you and uh I purchased a 200 15 13-in MacBook Air with 128 gig and then separately purchased an M2 nvme SSD drive off of Amazon knowing full well that these are incompatible with mac and purchased an adapter oh I see right to adapt the Mac SSD slot to this SSD drive and one of the things that's rumored to be a problem with these sort of adapted things is that they don't support hibernate properly which sounds a lot like the thing that I was avoiding with Hackintosh but there are are conflicting reports that suggest that it does work and so I purchased a one terabyte SSD and this adapter and I'm going to see if it works oh okay um hang on let's just work through well I'm curious to know how much are you gambling here and whether it works or not but also I have no idea how you get inside uh any type of MacBook to put this stuff in or am I completely misunderstanding and you're just gluing it on the back no no the bottom cover comes off and you remove the drive from the old slot and you screw in the new one okay and uh the the cost of the MacBook used was 300 bucks I negotiated for that 300 bucks and so a 2015 MacBook Air for 300 bucks I pretty good about that and the cost of the crucial one terabyte drive that I bought was about 115 and the adapter was another $15 plus presumably deliveries postage whatever some sort of uh free delivery Amazon oh uh was that was of the uh the drive so if it doesn't work are you able to return it I believe so yes when will he you know when are you going to get screw but that puts me in a position of having a a MacBook Air that doesn't have the correct amount of storage that the school requires now there are two approaches to that one is just send her with it anyway and see what they say right and the other approach is to then talk to someone like Max sales the O OBC who have compatible drives but they cost significantly more and uh see if something can be arranged there go ahead and purchase Drive lots of possibilities good but there are options we're not out of options but the 2015 was was selected because it has the traditional keyboard okay so let's talk keyboards for a moment right previously on keyboards yes previously on keyboard Insider Apple released a service program yes they they have an updated butter fly keyboard repair program and the the keyboard repair program covers what I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say yeah keyboards go on I thought so so I see kind of insightful use you get out of talking to me yes can we have Mike back in the do I do love it he's thinking about it thanks okay uh yes so uh they have keyboards and support for keyboards everybody's happy yeah and so the keyboard program says that uh any of the the keyboards that that fail uh will be covered and will be upgraded to the new version if they're of the the V3 form factor right if they're the ones that were shipped in 2018 they'll be upgraded to this new version 4 keyboard that Apple's revised okay well that seems good that is quite expensive for Apple depending on how many there are and things but okay all right so the new keyboard fits the 2018 MacBook Pro and the 2018 MacBook Air uh previous models get the second generation keyboard mechanism which was better than the first generation one found in the 2015 MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro those ones will still get service but they won't get updated to the new model of keyboard that was just announced as a part of the new Macbook Pro that was announced what there were new Macbook Pros and we and we're taking till now to mention them okay well not only are there new Macbook Pros but the new Macbook Pros also qualify for the service program how is that okay that did give me pause for a moment there I mean we've talked about this before I actually like the keyboards on it I mean there are others I prefer but I'm quite fine uh working on them uh I suppose I've certainly never had any problems but I haven't used them for for long enough to really feel it and if you've got a problem then it's kind of crucial isn't it so this is all good that's yeah that's what it comes down to is you know if if you enjoy typing on it wonderful if you never have a problem brilliant fantastic but when you do have a problem if you do get one then then that's sort of the end of the the world for you right that's a real pain especially if typing is your livelihood but even of it isn't the the act of typing something and having something other than you expect happen is not good yes absolutely yeah and you know there there are people who have opinions on the whole keyboard thing like you know they they took something that appealed to pretty much everyone and worked for pretty much everyone and worked without a whole lot of failure and turned it into something that's polarized but thinner and polarizing give them that right but if it doesn't work for for you know ballparking it just as half the people that that want a machine from you and you don't sell any other models then what does that mean it means you push them to PCS or like you did to older MacBooks just as in the side can we just compliment apple on how well their MacBooks look because I I was away the other week doing book research uh I took a 2009 MacBook uh with me to work on it and uh I've I've had keyboard problems with it for years why I don't use it much but I brought an external keyboard did all the work it was gorgeous 10 years old that machine yeah I have a 10-year-old one also I just bought a power supply and a battery for it yeah it was the 13inch aluminum one that I've got there was the 15in um aluminium so there we go I have one of those as well but it's probably word all the stress on the vowels isn't it yes so uh we haven't actually mentioned the new MacBooks we talked about one bit of it which I admit is is significant uh but what do you think about the new MacBooks do you do you want one personally no personally not not especially I my thought and this is just a suspicion is that that okay we ran into that tutorial written by our own Daniel Aaron dger and Daniel Aon deler says that reporting about the MacBook Pro is failing at a faster rate than the butterfly keep that is he he thinks yeah he he believes that the butterfly keyboard doesn't really have a a failure rate worth commenting on but that journalists are all over this as as beating the drum of Apple's dying it's the new form of Apple is dying okay cuz we needed a new one of those yes and yeah we absolutely had to have a new one of those I I think he is kind of incorrect you should get him on about this and and the reason that I think he is a little incorrect here is that the that the problem is not the actual numbers that the keyboard fails in the problem is in the perception and if people are considering buying a machine and they read online that there are complaints about this thing that's enough to scare them away yes yes Al that it's a it's an issue of who is perceiving what if all journalists are going on this but I'm not somebody who ever looks at coverage of Apple gear I just need a machine I'm not going to know about that and I'm going to buy it for all the good and bad of that you you you drop ,000 you're not going to read about it well actually possibly not if I'm a long-term Mac User I need a new Mac um I might go compare them in the store to see what I see but I'm not going to go get out what or which Windows uh first right but if you're one of the 60% of the people surveyed in the first part of this that said they would like to switch to Mac um which you know you you know you'd be reading about it first especially if you were on a budget and that's concerning the the perception of the problem is a real Pro it makes I agree that this the problem the perception of the problem I just think we don't know the degree of either of them um really so yes but but putting the newly launched machines in coverage in the repair program why thorough is is unusual it it's it's on on one hand it's acknowledging the problem yes which is always the first step on the other hand it's trying to reassure customers that they don't have to worry about the problem but that's also a little concerning so my my suspicion and my hope is that you know and it's just pure speculation but if if they're doing that they are aware that they have to do something and I I would hope that that means that there's another keyboard in the offing that maybe goes away from this problem and maybe even goes away from this design what are the odds though because they've spent five years doing this design almost and it's it's clearly not actually that was something that really surprised me how long we've had these butterfly keyboards 201 like moment ago but yeah this is third or fourth version of them I mean I don't see them making uh MacBooks thicker to accommodate uh a deeper travel keyboard but yes I'd never imagined a butterfly keyboard before maybe there are people there imagining much better caterpillar keyboards for the future that would be that' be quite good yes but you're just looking at me there there's got to be something to this and and one position Daniel's position is that there isn't a problem and that Apple's going to keep iterating until there isn't a problem and the other solution is is finding a new design um I wish sure I could remember how long the previous cable the kind of chicklet keyboard style lasted I mean a long time so uh that debuted with the first unibody Max which was 200 I want to say 2009 wow my machine was one of the first cool I mean well well I mean we had the white chicklet Macs uh further back the white Chet MacBooks were 200 that when they were still called iBooks 2006 no no uh iBooks predated and iBooks did have chicklet style Keys um the white eye books do the white eye books have Chate style Keys No I don't think they but the Mac but but The PowerBook line kept with the the traditional style key before the Chicklets for a long time until the 2008 2009 time frame I like the chicklet style but um I do too I wasn't unhappy with the butterfly one I'm also not particularly interested in the new MacBooks I think just for um I don't have a compelling need to get a new Macbook at the moment so I've kind of zoned out a little bit I think what they offer seems very good so if I was in the market uh in fact actually um if you are me and I AMU I think i/ you let's be clear here about Bron outs should be buying your daughter a new Macbook Pro that would solve everything there you go sort it out well yeah yeah it would but as of today we're still going to try out this 13-inch MacBook a right so you're putting your interest in assembling a Macbook above the needs of your own daughter what I'm considering is that I know my daughter and I know that she's hard on Mach I presume you also know your budget which is what I thought you would lead with there so well you know my budget as well right being me you got my currently working through several accounts yes I feel 300300 sorry $300 next to uh 2 and half Grand at least for I can see a discrepancy there but okay right if you're not going to be yeah even even 1,200 for a 12in Macbook there's a discrepancy uh you know don't cheap out on this Go the whole rout yeah yes absolutely absolutely but the you know the the 2009 MacBook that she's carried around uh has dents and dings in it and and battle scars and yeah do I feel better about a $300 machine in her hands for that sort of thing I'm not going to ask what she did but as long as she doesn't have dents and dings in then I'm fine with that yeah let the machine take it all yeah exactly okay absolutely let it carry the brunt of that interestingly some some guy named William Gallagher posted a story on Apple Insider he keeps doing that uh what's he done there I know he should he does though he keeps on doing it um 2019 iPhone models listed in your ra regulatory filing and I bet you can quote them all can you no well there are number I you up with A2 I think I may have added too many digits in there you fill out the rest and ending ending with a2223 it's one of my personal favorites actually it's it's a classic number anyway 11 different models of phones now this this number includes the different variations made for different countries and different uh you know different modems and LTE bands and kind of things now there's no requirement that these numbers follow any sort of pattern no and yet but they do but it is interesting that they they are a set like that right yes I mean uh without listing the numbers if anybody hasn't memorized these they might be wondering what the sets are but as I recall um it's 11 numbers isn't it the first and the last are a little bit out from the rest but then in the middle there are two sets so it's there's there's uh a2111 and I'm going to read them like that so that we can hear the differences a2161 a2115 a22 a 8225 8226 and 17 18 19 20 21 so from 2215 all the way through 2221 they're all sequential yes and the the a2160 and 2161 are a pair but they're alone and the 2111 and the 2223 on either end of the spectrum are also to I think those the first and the last one is your sapple kidding messing with our heads that's what that is uh there there there has been speculation that the 2160 and 61 that those two together uh the 2019 equivalent to the iPhone uh 10 R but I've no idea how anybody got that I work through the rest comparing them to actually does that not sound terrible I sat there with a calculator and model numbers trying to work out things there are uh seven I think numbers there between 15 and 21 so much for a calculator okay oh so you got three different models yes right and you got three different storage sizes for those different models potentially although you could have just two different storage sizes for those models yes but which would make sense for the the sort of pairs so you have one model that might be like a low entry model on its own yes right and that's just the storage size you get kind of like the SE like you need a cheap phone you need an iPhone SE here's your phone and it comes in that storage size and there's your price so that's one way you could have one model number at the the low end of this range of numbers presuming and it's a presumption that these numbers correspond to you know higher lowend pricing yes it's a reasonable assumption but is and then you got a pair which could be the same model of phone but with different storage sizes and then you've got this one two 3 four five six seven different numbers that are that are sequential so seven numbers is a bit weird because you can't just divide them in half and say okay there are two models there and you get two types of storage each but it also but also we've we've totally thrown out the idea that there are variances in the modem is equipped for different carriers and for different regions dual SIM business physical dual SIM yeah and the dual SIM business and it's just all too complex yes so I would also like to point out that as well I I I mean we know that these are iPhones because it actually says uh in the the billing sorry we didn't say this in the UR there are certain types of Machinery that have to be registered legal requirements with the Eurasian economic commission that's what these are for uh and very often it's just the numbers and apple but this time it does say every one of them is quotes uh smartphones of the trademark Apple so we know they're iPhones uh but beyond that I sometimes wonder about these numbers CU there was a case last year towards the end of last year when it looked absolutely certain there would be I think it was four uh new Maxs come out and I think we probably had them by now but we didn't get them when we expected so who knows when these things are this also seems a bit early actually but right well they're they're placeholders and they have to be tested and so forth and so you know it's it's uh it's a thing interesting but nothing says exactly when the the thing about the iPhone is that you know Macs can come whenever they want to release a Mac an iPhone you tend to know when they're going to released yes they have changed that in the past but they but from moving for a June or July I can't remember now to a September time but it originally June 299th to uh to the fall September nov a Barren long wait year I remember it well it was it was yeah well I'll tell you what what we know so far what we expect so far is that the 2019 2019 iPhone is expected to have a triple camera system a super wide lens an improved front-facing camera and that the antenna technology is changing what's the stuff with the antenna technology uh so there are different types of antenna materials in use and that um the the antenna that are currently used in 10s and 10s Max and 10r is really quite expensive and so it looks like for 2019 we're going to change to a different material different process which has more suppliers which will help bring the price down and then in 2020 or so when we start doing 5G that by that time the more expensive material will come down in price and be used for the 5 the price coming down for apple or for us yeah okay because I was worried about them there but yes no no price coming down for Apple this is totally relevant but it fascinates me how uh as the world is becoming seemingly very polar ized politically culturally all sorts of things uh the machines we rely on are so intertwined across the entire planet it's just FAS I mean look at how how how uh problems for them um how Reliant they are how Reliant all of these companies are on everybody else it's an amazing little thing we've ended up with well huawe has big problems because of all of the the different things that are knock on a effects from the the order to not you know the the the do not do business with them problem so Android revoked the license Google revoked the Android license to Huawei which means now they're going have to find a different operating system to ship and that their customers would be interested in using Samsung maybe could pull that off with Tien Samsung might be able to pull that off switching people to Tien but Huawei has no such plan for that that we know no yeah not good I mean they could they could talk to LG I mean web OS used to be open source LG bought it but it it was open source they might be able to revive web OS but that would be a gargantuan what was the thing I heard about there being a an open source version of uh Androids that they could use I see I don't know enough about Android to follow the the logic here but is it that there is a different flavor of Android they can have AO AOSP is the Android open source project and a USP gets you a bunch of stuff but it doesn't get you to what you would call an Android phone exactly because you don't get any of the other services along with it you don't get Google Maps you don't get the Google Play Store you don't get Play services you don't get updates nicely so so then they'd have to make their own compiled updates through AOSP and issue their there're all kinds of I think you missed a bit there they'd have to make their own updates and then not spread them out to the phones just to give the same sort of experience that real Android users get but I see your point yeah yes yes absolutely but it is a a difficult thing to it's a big undertaking and it yeah it's problematic now I can't tell you I was in a meeting but they they have they have bigger problems right because arm is no longer working with them so I got they got to figure out how to get processors you know they're going to have to start taking lodes in every phone they're gonna have to figure out how to get modems because you know Qualcomm oh maybe they can go to Intel no okay um or yeah similar problem possibly more even but yes so yeah so so this is a big thing I mean does it spell the end of Huawei well you're the one who talks about perception I was saying this a long meeting yesterday big meeting and the number of times people actually directed a comment to their phones because they said China was listening through them uh well it was funny at first but it was actually quite remarkably repetitive throughout the day that perception is out there um and what can you do about that were those Android users Hawaii users uh a couple Android users um all the people with iPhones just waited till it was over but you know it I I have to say actually they did it very amusingly but um I was yeah yeah one of those the first time funny second time not so much well these are talented people it was first second and maybe fourth time funny but there's always diminishing returns yes I don't think any of them are listening to us here so could be okay here but no it's just you me and 20,000 of our closest friends no it's just the three of us isn't it I'm very happy for that just the three of us CH in a way it is I I actually I feel sorry for her I mean if they are doing what they are accused of then uh this is obviously good that it's being stopped uh but yeah you who knows what's technology what's uh politics and I I find it disturbing that a company can be dismembered like this remotely um what if it was my company what if somebody managed to do it to Apple true very true now there we talked in the past about how rural telecoms use Huawei and ZTE gear to power their their T oh yes and the UK uh is looking to do it use them for stuff yes yeah well vone is launching 5G using Huawei gear okay so there is a proposed US Senate bill that would set aside $700 million to rural telecoms in order to tell them you know help them avoid Huawei gear B basically subsidizing the the purchase of compet competitive products all right so there are competitive projects is there are competing products if you're a hway customer of that scale it's just hway stuffed okay right yeah I mean it's a it's a price problem a lot like we were talking about with that jam survey right you know Windows users would love to afford Mac but but can't while rural telecoms aren't exactly rolling in m so who would they buy who would if jum surveyed them who would they say they would rather be buying that's a good question that's a very good question I mean you'd think it'd be things like Cisco and uh and and Qualcomm stuff okay the uh Senate bill hasn't specified that because well the the bill is not law it's not regulation yet it's just simply a proposal this point speaking of of security and flaws and and exposing user information right a security researcher discovered a flaw on Instagram's website oh well at least it isn't Facebook I know I know I couldn't Instagram property of Facebook so in a surprise move what's going wrong with them left user contact information exposed for months so my my photographs of sunsets have been exposed to hackers the world over right so David Styer or steer a data scientist and business consultant discovered earlier this year an issue with Instagram's website in which source code for some user profiles contained private contact information that's not made available on public to facing Pages ouch so he he showed archived version of Instagram profiles dating back to October 2018 believes thousands of accounts were impacted by the flaw including Pages belong to private individuals who have locked their accounts right private individuals Miners and businesses sorry miners miners uh isn't there an age limit uh on Instagram the way there is on uh Facebook and things there are tons of minors on Instagram okay yeah Facebook doesn't care Facebook has signed up miners for Facebook and when there were people spending inapp currency in Facebook games and parents complained you know how did you let my kid spend all this money they in private documentation behind the scenes referred to the kid as a whale which is the term that you refer used to refer to a person with a gambling problem in Vegas wow okay and said and said we're not refunding the money which it's illegal the kid is not allowed to spend the money like that Facebook doesn't care law it's whatever Facebook can get away with well that seems to be the stage of the world anyway at the moment but okay yes yes yeah so Instagram exposed this information the researcher informed Instagram of the problem in February company issued a patch in March but the the reason why it's news now is that it was open for so long it presented a prime opportunity to collect sensitive information on people and there's there's a guess that bad actors were able to create a database of user contact information by scraping Instagram's website during that four-month period a report on Monday revealed an unsecured database maintained by Indian social media marketing firm Chatterbox leaked personal contact information tied to millions of Instagram influencer accounts including users not even affiliated with that company so that database has 49 million records and it's it's a figure that's continuing to grow until the list was pulled from Amazon web servfaces that day so Chatterbox said that they don't that the information it gathered was not private nor was it sourced une ethically which leads back to the idea of just scraping the web now Instagram's terms of use prohibit profile scraping but Chatterbox hasn't clarified exactly how they obtained that data that was not easily available to General users so Instagram for their part says they're investigating sty report and The Chatterbox database on the positive side Chatterbox is a good name I bet they take out various letters don't they take out the vowels shoot them they they they have disen vowed it for you yes disen vowed what brilliant phrase oh I'm having that you like that yes excellent and since you're me for some reason that I've actually not fully comprehended yet uh I thought of that so thank you very much me I'm having that yeah well done you well done me I'm impressed one of those things right tell me about WWDC it's this big thing Apple does every year and uh Tim Cook comes out and says good morning and that wasn't a very good impersonation of anybody and no one goes there because it's too popular right no okay yeah it's nearly impossible to get a ticket but the the 2019 schedule has revealed that something called replay kit will be coming to Mac OS later this year ah no let me tell that I I thought I knew all of the kits uh I mean i't studied it like we do product numbers and in regulatory filings uh but I had honestly never heard of Replay kit before this week uh is that just my ignorance or is it um yeah not very well known what's it do actually I mean it's it's a good question do you know what it does not clue okay um should we just make up something between us absolutely okay uh it's probably a misspelling of reply it does emails automatically it's reply kit that's what everybody's just getting wrong yeah as a framework for emails well done William do I get points for Speed at least okay something to do with screens isn't it I presume recording something or playing back something I right so the the concept is that it is um it allows iOS users record and share content via control center so when you go ahead and make a a screen sharing movie kind of thing that's what that is you're you're using replay kit under the covers oh I have used that feature it's really useful so what if you now make that available to other applications and furthermore what if you make that available back on Mac OS soorry do you mean the facility the ability to record and to incorporate that into applications okay make it available to other people right yeah except QuickTime Player on the Mac can already do screen grabs and things that quick Time Players dead William oh hasn't been touched in ages it's it's a dead duck oh I use it I know it's actually a very good audio recorder but uh you know I know but uh so that's that's what's going on is that uh there is a session that Steven trouton Smith pointed out on Twitter for uh Mac OS iOS and tvos with with as a replay kit Rat Lab there's also a session on exploring new data representations in healthkit which which claims to teach people about or supposes to teach people about modern storage for high frequency Health Data types accessing beat to beat heart rate data and uh and how to sort of bring in an entire new dimension of Health to your users with new support for hearing Health it's F I was just thinking as you said that all of this is going on whenever anybody say asks about WWDC and mentions it what they tend to be talking about is the opening two hours or whatever it is it's the whole the Keye with product stuff yeah I might only have access to this because I'm a developer but a lot of the sessions for the rest of the week are filmed and at some point do go out on the developer website I don't know if that's commonly available elsewhere but some of them are really really interesting about the most minute parts of Apple software and deeply appreciate and then you know you see proper developers using their stuff in their apps and so the whole week is going to be just a a Boom full of things to enjoy later absolutely well one of my favorites is is a one that was given a couple years ago by Ken Kenda which was a talk in in the Frameworks discussion entitled a strategy for great work stories and the lessons learned from them okay and uh I I really do enjoy that one now kendri shenda we've had him on the show before he's great and it was something special to to be able to watch this the session that he gave and really figure out listen to him and sort of hear about what makes a great project cool is that publicly available still could we put them in the show notes or something if it's around uh we'll try and link to that I I download slides from that as PDF it's pretty awesome yeah actually that's a thought sorry I've just thinking about software developers um there's a podcast devoted to Omni made by the Omni group you do Omni Focus Omni outline and stuff and just terribly entertaining podcast and I seem to remember somebody on there talking about how the whole company works really hard to get all its big software updates finished and shipped just before WWDC so they can kind of clear the decks and either enjoy everything Apple gives them or Panic about what Apple's taken away so yeah and and panic you know it's interesting because you just said it's the name of the company too it's the name of a company yes uh possibly a different no but well well done there on that okay I need to talk a little bit for a moment about Wi-Fi cool you upgrade your smartphone your TV and your laptop when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi oh goodness me I'm actually looking at it now but it's a lot of years since I even thought about it before well the future of Wi-Fi is here it's time to welcome Wi-Fi 6 the Netgear Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 router gives you Ultra fast speeds and wider coverage throughout your home and it's the biggest revolution in Wi-Fi ever you get four times the capacity compared today's Wi-Fi which means you can connect more 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we just back over here why aren't you going to tell us now is that just mean yes okay fair enough well as long as there a reason okay yeah absolutely that's exactly what is now you mentioned Panic a second ago and I want to talk about panic because they announced of all things a handheld game station game computer yes did you see that yeah I'm I think we've covered this before I'm so not a game I was I'm aware of it but I couldn't I'm never going to use it so it's going to pass me by Panic I know for very different pieces of s like transmit was uh is theirs and stuff and now they're doing what some sort of Nintendo like thing or something well don't say that so disparagingly well they uh they years ago Steve Jobs said something to the effect of if if you people who want to make good software should make Hardware something like this and I know I'm mangling the quote but it was something to that effect you remember right absolutely it was a good point okay so they took it on board okay they they said in a Twitter post that they realized that they don't have any stockholders they own their own company the only thing holding them back from doing something is themselves excellent oh I like that okay yes and so they you know they've made numerous applications yes why shouldn't they make Hardware that's great oh well good luck to them for that I like it right and so they made this this game system and the game system is interesting it's got a traditional d-pad kind of thing it's got uh some buttons it's got a hand crank on the side hand crank um yeah they they partnered with the uh with teenage engineering who make synthesizers and teenage engineering when they were working on this thing said it should have a hand crank and so it has a hand crank on the side of course it does well is this so no battery power or something is it A Clockwork no no it doesn't even do that it's it's a part of the games controller oh I see oh okay right when you enter your Wi-Fi password you use the crank to cycle through the alphabet okay right you know they it's got a monochrome screen which is actually more expensive to use than an OLED so so it's a bizarre thing that way and they're charging $150 for it and the way that it works is that for your $150 you get games throughout the year with it you get a it's like a subscription to a season's worth of games and so you don't know when the release dates are but you just wake up one morning and all of a sudden you've got a new game surprise and Delight is this going to be like Apple's new music or favorite music mix where you're just really enjoying it and they replace it all and you can't get back the the other one no I don't replace it they add oh there you go then this is what we want all right yeah what sort of game would I understand what sort of games they uh unclear yet to me exactly what the games are I haven't dug deeply enough into it yet but I'm excited for them because first of all making Hardware is hard second of all at the scale and quantities that they're making it in 150 is not unreasonable I mean it just it costs that it costs money to make hardware and this is a big undertaking this is not a small project trying to ship something like that is is very cool a lot of people make Hardware by saying you know what let's go make something and they take an Android roid phone that's a couple years out of date and they load some software on it and then they respin that into a new enclosure and they call it new hardware and that's one way of doing it but this this was engineered from the ground up and they should be proud yes I'm really pleased with that actually I mean I'm glad you told me it genuinely went past cuz the gaming thing but that's I make you smile kind of thing good on them no they they really should be proud and the games because they're using a d-pad and a hand crank and stuff are going to be games I mean this is not Assassin's Creed for play dat monochrome screen with a hand crank to control Assassin's Creed this is not AAA gaming kind of stuff like that this these are games that are going to have fun surprising mechanics that that just make you smile what's a dpad if you don't mind me asking what I imagine is a very obvious question okay so you know how you'll have um the the four-way control for up down left right or down left right with center button kind of Select thing oh yeah so they I I d-pad is commonly the five thing the the up down left right center I I think what they're using is probably a four control a four Direction control with with two or more buttons off to the right of that but um and it's just called D pads to mess with my head it's just the directional pad oh I see oh okay right right right that makes sense cool the things you learn are you going to get one D know ah man if I had budget I just spent money on a MacBook there that's true Christmas is quite a long way away it is but uh but I am so excited for panic they they deserve every bit of of good attention they get for this they are doing something really nice here excellent gosh William is there anything else you'd like to talk about today yes how did you miss that Pharma Pro 18 dropped this week well I don't know you're not a FileMaker user well I used to be I mean I was big from FileMaker 7 all the way through FileMaker 12 all right I think it was eight or nine that I joined in yes yeah and I I ran FileMaker servers I had FileMaker Pro server going on so that I could run a whole systems using that and the truth is I miss having server I I could use a good license for FileMaker 12 server but um well um don't C me on PR prices because it's actually now really complicated working at the prices but approximately $15 a month will get it to you or around $540 to buy it outright that's the standal loone version though you need servers yes it starts getting messy uh but I love phic a database program I actually run parts of my company entirely on faric I used to work at BBC worldwide the commercial end of the BBC and I was astonished how much of that run on FileMaker PR databases great what what I wish I mean FileMaker has a facility in it where it can talk to mySQL databases I wish that there were an interface as good as FileMaker and Bento remember Bento oh yes Bento I wish Bento came back and I wish FileMaker and I wish they talked to a a range of databases like Cassandra and my SQL and things like that because then then I feel like we'd have sort of the best of all worlds in terms of compatibility and maintenance and uh I don't know that Pharma doesn't to that I haven't actually heard of Cassandra before even so um obviously not an expert on this bit but give it a look you never know it can connect to all sorts of things yeah anyway new version came out this year strictly speaking Faker still does an annual uh release but actually it's be it's moved towards a continuous update thing so I I wouldn't have said this one has anything massive no one single feature that makes it a must buy if you've already got version 17 but there's so many tiny little bits that make you oh you know the more you use farmet the more pleased you'll be with what they've added and fixed in this so y for Farm makeer absolutely absolutely cool well that brings us to the end of a perfectly good episode of the Apple Insider podcast uh please email me at williiam appapple insider.com they can email me you at Victor insider.com where can we find you on the internet probably Consulting my lawyers about this whole identity theft thing that's that's really it otherwise W gallager on Twitter and and I am at the end of William William gallagher.com excuse me I'm not actually that doesn't exist I'm at the end of William appleinsider.com you could email that other one and see what happens very curious today please please email all the special offers and newsletters there yeah yeah thanks Che for that I'm at V marks on Twitter and I I also want to mention two things here I've been changing the tools that we use to produce this podcast I'm trying to to get chapter support in so if you're an overcast user or a Castro user and you want to see the uh the chapters for the podcast we're using forecast and podcast chapters alternately forecast is made by Marco Armen who does overcast and so we're really pleased to have that as a tool in our tool chest the scouttech podcast is on iTunes and anchor.fm scouttech check it out it's interesting we've got a couple episodes going up there and that's that's the stuff we should close out by saying thank you to Netgear when's the last time you upgraded your home Wi-Fi turn your Wi-Fi up a notch with n Gear's new line of Nighthawk Wi-Fi 6 routers whether you're gaming online or watching Netflix in 4k it's like giving your streaming the VIP treatment you'll enjoy buffer free streaming in zero lag no matter how many devices are connected to your network upgrade your router at netgear.com wifi6 make your Wi-Fi feel young again man we should all Feel So Young all right William okay let's do this again next week oh yes see you then bye-bye all right cheers bye\n"