An Affront to Science - This is Only a Test 477 - 11_29_18

### Article: A Deep Dive into Recent Technology, Science, and Virtual Reality Developments

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#### Elon Musk’s Ambitious Mars Plans and Ethical Concerns

Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has made waves with his recent comments on the likelihood of humans traveling to Mars. During an interview, he stated there is a 70% chance he would go to Mars. This statement sparked significant discussion about the feasibility and ethics of such a mission. Musk likened the endeavor to Sir Ernest Shackleton's Antarctic expedition, emphasizing the dangers involved. However, critics argue that modern society lacks the tolerance for failure seen during the Apollo era. The public’s low appetite for risk in space exploration raises questions about whether such a mission would be viewed as a noble pursuit or a reckless gamble.

The ethical implications of Musk's potential Mars trip are profound. If successful, it could set a precedent for private space travel, but the lack of infrastructure and understanding of long-term health effects on astronauts casts doubt on its feasibility. Moreover, the idea of one-way missions to Mars is controversial, as it would require abandoning any hope of return.

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#### Controversial Gene Editing in Embryos

In a groundbreaking (and highly contentious) study, a scientist in China edited the genes of embryos using CRISPR technology to make them resistant to HIV. The experiment involved two babies and was conducted without proper oversight or understanding of potential off-target effects. This raises significant ethical concerns about germline editing, as any unintended consequences could be passed down through generations.

The parents in the study were HIV-positive, and the goal was to edit a gene called CCR5, which is known to protect against HIV infection. However, the study was conducted without peer-reviewed publication or approval from relevant authorities. The scientist involved has faced widespread condemnation from the international scientific community for violating ethical norms.

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#### VR Gaming: A New Frontier in Immersive Experiences

Virtual reality gaming continues to push boundaries, with recent developments in titles like *The Callisto Protocol: Recursed*. This game introduces a challenging save system that forces players to replay sections, adding depth and replayability. While some players find this frustrating, it creates opportunities for meaningful progression and discovery.

Another highlight is the upcoming release of *Tetris Effect* on PC, following its success on PlayStation VR. The game combines classic Tetris gameplay with immersive visuals and music, making it a must-try for VR enthusiasts. Additionally, virtual desktop software like Virtual Desktop for Oculus Go has opened new possibilities for remote work in VR, allowing users to access their PCs from anywhere.

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#### Scientific Breakthroughs: Alzheimer’s Research and Mosaicism

A recent study revealed that neurons can have unique DNA due to a phenomenon called mosaicism, where cells accumulate different genetic mutations. This discovery has significant implications for understanding diseases like Alzheimer's. Researchers found thousands of mutations in the amyloid precursor protein (APP) gene associated with the disease, suggesting new avenues for treatment.

The APP gene produces amyloid-beta proteins, which form plaques in the brain and contribute to Alzheimer's progression. By targeting the replication of these mutations, scientists hope to develop therapies that slow or prevent disease progression. This breakthrough highlights the importance of understanding genetic variability in neurons and opens doors for innovative treatments.

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#### Conclusion: The Intersection of Technology and Ethics

From Elon Musk’s Mars ambitions to groundbreaking gene-editing experiments, recent developments in science and technology have sparked both excitement and ethical dilemmas. As we push the boundaries of what is possible, it becomes increasingly important to consider the long-term consequences of our actions. Whether in space exploration, genetic research, or virtual reality, humanity must approach these frontiers with caution and a deep understanding of their impact on future generations.

Whether you're immersed in VR gaming or pondering the ethical implications of scientific advancements, one thing is clear: the future is full of possibilities—and challenges. As we move forward, let us do so with wisdom and a commitment to preserving the integrity of our shared humanity.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but they do just about everything to help businesses grow like ads postcards landing pages audience management tools automations reports and more you could say MailChimp grew so much that they outgrew their name and their marketing tools can help you do the same go to MailChimp calm to sign up for free and see how MailChimp can help grow your business MailChimp they do more than mail for Thursday November 29th 2018 welcome to this is only a test the official podcasts of tested commissary intro hello and welcome to this week's episode I'm norm and joined by our regular cast and crew for the first time in a very what seems like a very very long time actually has been a very very long time it's Jeremy Williams hi Norman and Kishore Hari hello mister normal welcome welcome back you guys you guys were off the podcast for a week I was a little sad to miss your triumphant return since you became a daddy congratulation thank you thank you ditto I will will say that was delightful to see the quote/unquote original crew back together again last week there's no quote unquote it is the original crew well I think there were some debates whether Gary was there at the very first podcast or was listen to it it wasn't a full wing cast either yeah yeah I will it's a good listen if you didn't if you're listening to this right now you want to rewind go listen to it it's a lot of fun don't listen to it while you're making Thanksgiving dinner like I did it's a mistake there's lots of discussion and last week's podcast that is not food appropriate hey man everybody was born I don't know I don't know if this week we'll have a lot of discussion this makes it fruit appropriate I'm looking at to the topics and there's there's definitely some poo there I'm not gonna talk about changing diapers I'll get that out of the way guys you guys you guys both have children you guys both have boys yes messy you know it why didn't someone tell me how messy it would be huh yeah yeah you're a boy you kind of know what I don't remember that part of my life I don't remember how you notice if it could be honestly you won't remember this part either eventually there'll be added diapers and changing themselves and life will be wonderful is it bad that at three weeks now is how old my son is that I'm already googling how long it will be before he stops with this this phase of his life normal behavior I would say that Jeremy's right you won't remember this and it's literally you won't remember it because you're not getting enough sleep for your for your memories to actually stay intact they're degrading now welcome to being a dad oh my god is this what that 15% is that is that what the freshman 15 is for being a dad the 15% of your brain that goes away has any of your technology that you amass but having your child assisted you so far in the past month no Oh nor has it been used he just sits there yeah like it use me put on my this headset please put me on do you think they will make a diaper changing robot one day goodness I wish I wish because the robot won't care if it's shat on Robby on Kickstarter the robot robot can do a good job can wipe this is where judgment day begins conversations like that that the robots won't care being shat upon you know and I'm sorry for people who don't want to hear about the baby stuff but I'm gonna go into it anyway because it's top of mine right now it's possible we could add a segment you know like a weekly bunch of dad's kind of segments it could be a whole podcast unto itself if it was a segment I mean I guess segments would be good in that it would constrain the time yeah I'm forced to distilled are the thoughts but priors are having a baby in the in the weeks leading up to the birth and even the months the one thing I would ask other parents are you know what what are the things you bought that you didn't need or what were things you wish you thought of that you you that you didn't get and got a bunch of recommendations and you know did as best we could I still find the advice inadequate I'm sorry it's not Chuck being there so I'll tell you if you like he just put us down but he needs to write their own book the one thing that I wish people told me more about and the thing that's real I think makes a big difference day to day hour by hour and what is it the quality of the wet wet wipes wet oh the quality of the wet wipes just no name generic Brent Huggies even wet wipes insufficient where wherever you landed the best things water wipes they're more expensive but they're wetter lake they absorb more and they bite more they don't dry out as fast and and if you have a wet wipe heater which we have now the babies much happier you can tell oh yeah I'm happier the heater is a ridiculous here I'm let the baby toughen up a little bit ah that's great you know when we were kids we did they worked with our hands we didn't even have disposable diapers we rubbed the baby's butt on bunny rocks and things right in the river and the stream and they were good exactly the diaper changes you get used to it I'm used to it by now but ever every time it's a it's a game of Russian Roulette not whether the poo is there or not because I hate it when I open the diaper and there's no poo yeah because that's a waste of a diaper but whether there will be more poo before the diaper change is complete yeah that's the game you got to get your time down you got to get that stopwatch going see how fast you can set get that diaper changed and learn the precautions oh I can do it the one hand amid change Prakash the Midd change you want to avoid the spray I mean this is all hard lessons learn because we've had you know eruptions in the and the pardon sorry geologists for using the Richter scale but eruptions in the the six or seven point o-- level mid change I would say five six inches of projectile I'd like to get three babies in here and let the three of us compete for diaper-changing time oh we're way out of practice with that's okay I think ice it's like riding a bike I think I can do it get some laughs by the hospital live commentary yeah some babies I I call color commentator they're sharing this today yeah the the dummies the baby the mannequins don't they're insufficient for the amount of squirming and wiggling and projectile shooting yeah real babies can do all those those after sharts like don't make it don't make it Angry okay don't make it Angry alright that's that's that's enough of the people how are your Thanksgivings you mean how is my Black Friday I thought Black Friday what had seen its ascendancy and it was over oh it's been over for a number of years okay I was just trying to help you know reminisce there for a moment because this is a terrible shopping celebration this year no stampedes that I heard over there stampedes the media is just clamped on the porn there it's so boring now it's all that online like like what is it now I it's it's honestly it's a week of spam mail is what it is I mean everything is online load and they've started on Wednesday now Wednesday and then Thursday their names for everything right there was these Thanksgiving Wednesday's the pre Black Friday there's Black Friday what does the Small Business Saturday and didn't know about that giving Tuesday giving Tuesday in the digital Monday vibrant vibrant right that's right and did this is the 10% I don't know member now yeah that's worthy of forget forgetting what the food was good food was great we I went to my sister's place in DC and she makes a tandoori turkey get out and I'm telling you right now if your turkey is not glowing an unnatural shade of red you are doing it wrong if it cooked in the tandoor yes how big of its herky Wow we did a 12 because we actually did two turkeys because if you're gonna if you're gonna follow up a tandoori turkey what's the other way to make it you got a deep fry it so I was outside in the cold deep frying a turkey doing my sister is making it tender that sounds he's amazing do it lowers and you know what that pairs well with anything because that's a goddamn tandoori turkey so mashed potatoes goes with it dressing fine stuffing also goes with it why not how about your Thanksgiving Jeremy I was at the same place I've been for 30 years which is a hotel my family gets together it's like 25 of us we get together to hotel in Virginia and we have a grand time and I had but there's you don't have to have Turkey some people had trout you know is it kind of like The Shining is it like a hotel that's that kind of hotel but we had a good time it's good to see everybody you know it's good to let the kids play with their cousins now and then mm-hmm I totally agree the I want to give one shoutout from my trip to DC to DC monuments hold up that's a wonderful experience I been like it's been like 15 20 years since I really went to a lot of the memorials and monuments and spending time at like I went to Teddy Roosevelt's one which is on an island and then FDR's one which I hadn't been to in like 15 years and then seeing all the quotes at MLK and in the Jefferson Memorial I forgot how affecting the Korean memorial was where you actually feel like you're transported a little bit to Korea and seeing them sort of walk through stuff is a really humbling experience and really was it brought out that that American pride that I have deep within myself and it was just awesome reading so many of the quotes you know I don't think many people know about the FDR memorial it's not it's in an island in the Potomac right it's not that Teddy Roosevelt once I yeah I like the FDR one is kind of right not far from Lincoln right yeah that's it's beautiful was it back there and how was it how's the weather the weather was perfect I went a couple days before Thanksgiving and it was like 50 and clear and then we went skating on an ice rink next next next on the National Gallery Smithsonian building which is awesome it was basically a perfect day the crowds weren't overwhelming but there was enough people there that there was sort of an excitement to it I was in Virginia too obviously and when I was a Dulles I photographed an advertisement I saw on the wall that was just a generic healthcare business that wants you to know about them sure and it the focal point of the ad big big you know billboard ins in the hallway in Dulles is a computer monitor and on the computer monitor I noticed all these patient names and they're all people from The Simpsons every last one of them is a character from The Simpsons and this is just like a screen with a small screen it can read it's a big screen it's like a major part of the ad Wow and I thought that what's odd like that must be an easter egg some designer did that so I tweeted it it got a lot of attention and the guy who designed the image on the computer screen actually joined the conversation Wow and apparently he designed this open source software that any hospital can use and this advertising company just used his screenshot that he had posted on his site oh my gosh in there and wasn't even the the marketing people it was no his and not selling his software like I don't think the people who actually posted this ad know what they did like they don't know those are Simpsons characters nobody who works for that company knows that is just funny I just thought that was pretty funny it's neat like a little small world experience to have the guy who did the thing join in that's amazing yeah so good travels and I stayed at home we didn't did of course we didn't we didn't want to take the baby anywhere I did go I did leave the house and I'll say on Thanksgiving Day the hardest-working people on Thanksgiving Day I mean the hardest but some some very hard working people and Thanksgiving there that the employees of Boston Market I thought you might say that yeah and I did have to make a stop for p.m. to get some sides and pies and Boston Market in Thanksgiving Day on Thanksgiving dinner open open till 5:00 p.m. that's great and there's cream spinach is fantastic hope they were paid overtime I hope so too because they had to deal with hazards surly people and some some people were unprepared I guess myself included you know on that point you would think UPS drivers very busy that day ah no not Thanksgiving Day but like the doctor Black Friday around that period apparently my driver they said that they bulked up and then in the last minute they cut shifts because packages were way down now my question is is that true across the board because I've noticed Amazon has ships UPS very seldom for me these days it's all USPS and their own internal courier system and I wonder if that's part why I'm curious if there's any UPS drivers out there curat are your amazon shipments down yeah I don't you guys listen to the podcast the daily oh that was horrifying they did a whole episode about the and and maybe this will talk to something in the tech discussion but profile New York Times at a profile of the companies that do fulfillment for not Amazon but for companies like shoe companies like Nike or its other other retailers who have to compete in that digital space who didn't build up from the ground up fulfillment center has an infrastructure like Amazon yet but still have to meet those kind of standards you're to date delivery and it is it is not good yes the working conditions it sounds like and those there's a fulfillment centers those logistics companies these multi-billion dollar companies so I really feel for a lot of the people who work there it's an excellent listen if you do listen to it prepare yourself to hear some horrifying things all that being said I just want to echo what norm said thanks to all the people that that put in extra hours as we again it's an unforgiving time oftentimes and it's deeply appreciated top story this week top story this week is out of this world are you ready to try this let's do it Oh move move those shoulders elbows nobody no no I apologize to all the NASA for what we just tried to attempt Jeremy and cushaw attempted the now internet famous JPL handshake that was seen on livestream for this week's successful Mars insight landing I would this is great this whole story is great it's probably the most exciting thing of the week that's why I guess it's why it's here but when you guys watch something like this and it's starting out and they haven't like entry hasn't started begun yet are you optimistic because I'm kind of like this brought me won't work oh I feel the reverse at this point NASA has demonstrated so much capability about this that like I was just thinking back to curiosity and just remembering the the confidence that they showed and I mean in in walking way did I get that there's risk inherent but NASA has instilled that confidence in me we rarely see failures anymore I think the way they presented the stream first of all the way they presented information the stream with the commentators with the camera stream is a top-notch production it makes something that is very science it something it's very abstract engaging for hundreds of thousands of people I think 500,000 people watch it on the YouTube stream and makes that fun to watch and and they're cautious right they have to hedge what they say because the as confident as they are it is still a lot of variability a lot of risk and I think as people who've watched previous launches and landings and understand the difficulty maybe even if you've watched any movie about space exploration or any documentary understand like these are everything's like a moonshot because yes you're doing incredible things that you can't that you're that you're setting up you know six months before years before in hopes that it will happen and you completely out of your control in that moment I still think it's it's nerve wracking I feel like I feel like you Jeremy I think by embracing myself for for failure yeah I'm like more than 50% sure something's gonna go wrong and when it doesn't when they actually land successfully and there's cheering i er up and I get so excited for these people that have succeeded in doing something darn near miraculous I I tear up to literally I was in a meeting and my boss like we're on like a video conference of my boss hit mute on our room and started going USA like when the what is late the announcement came look it is an amazing feat yeah to essentially send a minivan across the cosmos and land perfectly basically in a meadow on a plane in on another planet it is crazy the accuracy the precision that we saw from NASA but I've grown to expect that because that's how good they are recently we have seen some amazing things you're right and recently NASA has a great track record but on balance I think they have like 15 attempted missions to Mars and seven or eight now have been successful they're bettin let's give it up for the actual like the weird technical aspects of this like yeah it's the first time we sent cube SATs interplanetary these are you know 10 centimeter cube there are a little satellite what no no briefcase sighs well there I've seen mock-ups in person I went there like cereal box eyes briefcase ear box yeah they're very small the two Marco satellites in they're in they're probably in their compact form and then they they have a deploy a really neat it's a dish but it's flat and it that's for transmission back to earth and it was the way for us to get real-time data back about the landing but they weren't mission-critical no right no these this is a proof of concept that they set up for this type of satellite which didn't deploy from they actually traveled the whole journey independently they didn't they weren't deployed the very end to Mars orbit they deployed basically right after launch and oh they're all their own propulsion fluid well with the momentum yeah right and but themselves huh and so that's there are lots of opportunity for failure there I did read that they had little thrust yes and they were identical like they only sent two in case one failed right and they were designed by a young team at the JPL you know not like the senior guys this was just some scrap a young skunkworks team you can watch a tested video where we interview some of that team back back when they launched and if they had failed the Mars orbiter would have relayed that information slightly later yep but it was just an experiment to see can this be done and and they pulled it off not just one of them but both of them and it's so super awesome I think what's what was understated on the broadcast is a I think we all think that the landing is really hard and it totally is but one of the things I think we under count is that because Mars Mars's atmosphere is so much less thick than the earth atmosphere thinner thinner yes that's the other word for that how to slow down gets much more complicated because you have less to push against to slow you down yes and so I I think I still think that is the most amazing thing any time they land something on Mars yeah thinking how they actually slowed it down appreciably and then the landing safely because there's a million different designs they've gone through to get to this point and they still use different designs there's been like balloon designs and like a you know a crane arm design and you know there there's all these different things but without air and because like slowing down is really hard yes I'm still always made so they obviously you they have to come in at the exact right angle if it's too steep they'll burn up if it's too shallow they'll bounce off as if you're throwing a rock onto a lake so they come at just the right angle then the heat shield absorbs thousand degree temperature that's it hot to melt steel yeah and then they've kicked that off and launched a supersonic parachute you know it's super stressful is that because there's so many things have to work in concert if something goes wrong it's difficult to identify what's wrong right like when there are failures in rocket launches you know planetside here at least you can we can collect you know yeah debris and you know as a fortunate that would be but if it's on Mars that's it and there is debris on Mars there have been attempted landings by other nation and we are the only one who has successfully landed a Lander or Rover on the planet it's pretty awesome but the work is just beginning of course insight is a robot geologists it will dig into a couple feet into the surface of Mars and and detect tremors and and send back all sorts of cool and fun where they please I think five meters is yeah it can't go down a maximum of and it's got a seismometer it places down in order to measure Mars quakes but that thing is so sensitive even to wind that they place on top of it a windshield a big dome yeah it deploys and we're using the driller they can detect going down three five three meters five meters they can detect they can at least surmise the core of Mars they were saying that when they were testing that seismometer as they were making it upon one coast the United States could detect things happening on the other coast incredible yeah it's extremely sensitive and I was curious because I noticed that it landed kind of near opportunity and I was curious like is it possible like opportunity could visit you know just to get a picture hey what's up yeah exactly but it's way too far it's you know it's not it would be a huge waste of expensive for it to do that but it would also interfere with that seismometer I think what's more interesting you talk about the sensitivity of the instrument but the geologic information is going to be critical to understanding water on Mars the just the the basic history of that planet in a much more rich way so I think there's a lot that this instruments gonna garner I have one complaint of one super minor complaint to NASA you didn't get your name on it no I deserve to have my name on it no you could buy those oh that's right I forgot about that yeah no no that's not my completion say this was supposed to launch two years ago yes it was slightly delayed yeah well they had to wait for the next cycle yeah to be close to Mars again there's only a once every two year window yeah my complaint is that so there's a Twitter account for insight yeah and vice president pence congratulated NASA and whole JPL team after the landing and it like quote tweeted him back home each we he he tweeted he did it like God JPL he tweeted congrats yeah and then inside quote tweeted and said thank you for the support or something it didn't wait the proper eight minutes for that tweet transmission to get all the way to Mars I feel like they should have just instituted the right amount of time for the transmission I get that they're tweeting some space channels are open I just feel like they went about a minute too early on that yeah it's not clear to some people that NASA isn't controlling that lander during that landing phase either and it they are not it's impossible they controlled it eight minutes ago with its maneuver if they gave it instructions and it's just it's on its own for that whole process and I just find that miraculous I'm so proud of it of that team very cool all right let's move on to some pop culture news do you know that that that the the what are they called the cube BOTS tubes at CubeSat Marco that there that they communicated with the lander over UHF the harkens back to their early days of the space program that's like old school TV sing-along yeah radio signal and they couldn't slow down so like they're just like they got the signal they like sent it back to earth and Lexi yeah like off I haven't seen you this excited about something in a while I think we gotta take you to JPL I like I'm just totally geeking I've been there I was there for like the initial seven minutes of Terror reveal like when they showed that movie for the first time Adam was there he was there for the landing yeah yeah we'll talk hopefully we'll talk to him about that on podcasts use at JPL this week for the landing I said what yeah we buried him the lead I know we'll talk about it on still in tight hey tweeted you can see photos alright back to some pop culture now we've been following of course the demise of film struck which I think maybe by the time you listen this may no longer exist end of this month that's right films truck is going away very unfortunate and they had a partnership with the criterion collection which announced subsequently that they were going to start their own movie subscription service and now we finally have pricing for that but if you're interested in that criterion service they're launching what they're calling charter memberships which means you can sign up early before they launch it next year and you don't pay until they started I think but it's like the price is a hundred bucks a year as opposed to 120 a year or something save a little bit there I think if you're a movie fan and you like watching old films or you like even watching Criterion Collection films without having to purchase those those films this is something that you should consider Sam for I'm totally going to do it how are they doing all of their extra stuff there I don't think they are commentary tracks they didn't have those on film struck and so I don't know if this is a licensing thing huh but this is the thing I'm increasingly noticing as the difference between buying things a digital purchase of a movie versus the physical purchase there's gonna be some parody I think Chris McQuarrie for director of Mission Possible talked about this recently an interview how if you didn't understand why there wasn't parity but like if you buy a movie on iTunes you get a selection of special features there are a few special features there like you buy the Lord of the Rings but you're not gonna get what was included in the blu-ray and I think it's because when they made those special features the licensing for those features specifically was via that distribution network that medium and so as studios I think students are pushing people more toward digital purchases rather than physical purchases because of course there's almost the additional cost and there's DRM built-in and that's why they released some early they will start moving and getting parity but for someone like criterion I don't think the rights I don't know if they have the rights for a lot of that those special features they did Commission a lot of the the vignettes and the speech rats yeah for films truck night and they're gonna continue doing those and the commentary oh maybe not for film stock but like they did their own commentary right just for so if they have the rights then then maybe that will be there as well what we can expect is it won't be their entire criterion collection of course it'll be kind of a seasonal thing they'll cycle cycle in films in and out it was hard listening to you last week talk about like where like what services do you get right and how this fits in because this was beyond my borders of where would I mind again well i the way frame do I think was something everyone out there should think about it's less about how what's the max services that you would subscribe to because I think that's kind of a you know moving goalposts that people will just say I can put another five dollars down and I'll put another that's just another cup of coffee it's which ones would you cut first what are your three bottom services that you would cut I'm putting out there to you guys right now I mean it you aren't wrong about Amazon Prime it's the one I watched the least but it's Amazon Prime so I'm not cutting it I think the one I watched the least is Hulu ever the ones I own oh yeah I do yeah I wouldn't even I wasn't even Hulu subscriber until I had my parents come stay with us and they watch Hulu so I got it no yeah who was out the door who lose my my first to cut this overlap I mean Hulu served a purpose for what was kind of like your live TV option you know day after but now that there are live TV things with you TV or Philo whatever then you really don't need Hulu except for some Hemis Dale exactly I think that's number one to go I think any of the CBS all access all that kind of stuff is is right there with it uh and I'm not as bullish on Disney as you guys were last week mmm Jerry I feel like you might have a different opinion III I haven't heard last week's but I would imagine I differ with you on this Kishori I I'm more excited about that than anything I think that's what Garan what we're saying this was they were all in already what is what how are you not excited about this I get like all the the lines show up like we get the things from the vault you get you get the Marvel movies you get the news like man you get the original yeah I get the all the layers I don't know like I guess I am jaded like I think Netflix has jaded me about the quality of original programming that's coming out on these services it used to be a bigger deal when the originals came out because there's so few of them yeah now there's like three every time I turn on Netflix and so the hit rate is way down and so I feel like I'm in this place where prove it to me first like I want to see what the reactions are I'm not gonna be an early adopter on Disney I'm gonna wait and see if it's really that vital I've seen all those Marvel movies though and the vault I don't know how much that's gonna sway me okay man that's that's a good that's a good perspective that's good you should have that perspective everyone should know that will challenge Disney to do a good job I hope that for things like Netflix as some other show movies at least independently producer they're their Netflix original movies or hitting theaters you could just use something like a movie pass to watch those and get it there because you got the bundle in not just your TV subscription monthly recurring cost but something like a movie pass or in my case that AMC passed which I still haven't cancelled yet and they announced we can half ago that there are raising prices for how much what is it now well it's $20 a month before for three movies a week uh-huh and I knew that they wouldn't do reduction in number of movies because I think if you go from three movies a week to two movies a week one people would complain and two I don't think I really would change behavior that much okay right but you're gonna create the sense that you're taking away something yes exactly so they raise the price so they're gonna raise the price to start next year and it's different price raises for depending on where you live in some states where the service is not in high demand no price hike in 17 states or the app is most popular right Colorado Delaware Florida Georgia Illinois Maryland Minnesota Pennsylvania Virginia Washington State and DC Wow it that goes up to $22 a $2 price hike okay I am in the big states California New York New Jersey Massachusetts Connecticut $4 price hike Wow a month I why do you hate this as a good business don't you know I get why everyone is on board with dynamic pricing dynamic pricing I get at sports events some things in demand yep we raise the price to meet that demand mm-hmm I was in DC last week as I said there's a road that has dynamic pricing on it for the toll mm-hmm and so the toll went up from like a low rate of $2 or no not to it was like 4 to 1350 and then my sister said that sometimes it goes up to $50 oh my gosh $50 yeah and I think that's what you get is just more inequity for the same product and no variation in service I get why they're doing it but it's the equivalent thing the sports thing is different and there's a slippery slope because here they're talking about demand geographically base it's not even based on movies with movie pass as that subscription was waning is waning you know they were more restrictive in terms of popularity of movies and I would be furious over this if it was like for all Marvel movie you only get one per month or something you know or if it was price hike month a month it was different here it's across the board I think they're gonna reach a point where 24 dollars is a lot of money but they're also looking at these states where movie ticket prices are generally higher right it's more expensive to watch a movie in San Francisco than it is to watch a movie in Iowa and there are more these Dolby cinemas or more IMAX's and so they have to pay higher portions of these fees to the studios if it goes over 25 I'm not going to do it that's that's my stance on the matter 24 or 50 that's my limit is that what you're saying 2024 95 is my limit you get a discount on the concessions you do get a discounted concessions tempura like you know size upgrade and points but one of the reasons I haven't cancelled my subscription is because anyone who was a grandfathered member gets the original pricing for a full year let me just encourage you right now as a new father that you should just cancel because you are not getting your $25 worth any time soon yeah it was shocked to hear you hadn't cancelled yet because I know you haven't seen the movie in November I know in November is a wasted month in a December I don't know a lot of good movies coming out in December and a lot of good movies coming out in end of this month I don't want to see record brow you know what costs more than a movie ticket though a divorce no we both get together we take the baby babies nice and quiet dark dude I'm gonna set a babysitter yeah babysitter cause also customer they take the baby take the baby take the baby yeah baby don't baby waddle you take that guy I'm off this podcast I quit they can't take that baby that movie no no no will not take the baby I want to watch I think next month I'm gonna in do try to make at least some one movie and it probably will be spider-man into the spider-verse oh I think you're gonna say Aquaman I want to see that too yeah first impressions Aquaman have been pretty good so far but reviews a spider-man 30 reviews right now on Rotten Tomatoes you want to what the score is is it three digits it's yeah that's what I saw it's three digits I don't know how they get that I feel like the Trude percent they let a few people see it bound to like it and then I've seen some haters in that list of reviewers really I recognize some names it's it I mean it looks good I think slash homes that are in chief said it was his the best Marvel movie this year I was worried my Panther came out this year I'm finna t work him out this year I was worried when spider-ham came out in the trailer boiler me too but hey I'm all in on the animated train that's been a big DC Animated universe honk for a while no reason I can't be on that Marvel animal even if you didn't speak the language the visual language of this film is so unique it's like you know waking life I mean it's not that style but it's like when you saw waking life you're like that's totally different and I'm gonna watch it just for the spectacle and this has that appeal to and also the creative team behind it is a Phil Lord and Chris Miller they didn't direct it but they they I think they wrote it through graft or wrote the clover at the screenplay or something and I'm super pumped for this film so very excited for that back on Disney side have not seen wreck-it Ralph yet neither have I meet none of us guys have no excuses well I mean you know kinda I was in the mountains I made a Harry Potter choice it was the wrong choice you made a crime you committed a crime I did commit it that's a rotten tomato yeah yeah you know what that's correct but in front of wreck-it Ralph was a trailer for well something that resident I don't know if resonates with the kids these days but certainly resonates with anyone who grew up in the 80s and 90s it's the new version of The Lion King the fastest view trailer all all Disney of all time now a little controversial wait what I got more views in the first 24 hours than any Disney trailer ever has is meeting Marvel Star Wars yeah infinity war I believe so given how many times I refresh that page Wow you watched seven seconds I mean I know Lion King has a following but that's amazing I think we were curiosity it's the nostalgia of the history I think kids these days you showed your kids Lion King right of course they love like you know it has endured because of the musical you're watching the children but they didn't did not love liking I was right no I it does not resonate as well as it did when it came out is it because of it the animation style possibly it's always okay that's a little bit of 3d in it but I don't know you would hope that the story would be what mattered it's Hamlet okay like Hamlet yeah yeah kids don't like Shakespeare yeah are we gonna get some Hakuna Matata that is a real good question is it like a one-to-one kind of thing only CG it's nice thing Disney's thing in the remix on that though they have had live-action remakes a lot of their animated films rightful Cinderella The Jungle Book and this is the closest jungle book because it's Jon Favreau I believe it's the same animation company that's doing it now to call it live-action it's a photo real yeah but it's I don't think any of it is live right they don't unless they did some filming of some terrain and CG some care animals on there but are you suggesting the whole film is CG that's what I'm thinking really think no even the jungle scenes all the deserts that's really I don't know yeah I can't wait for that sin effects episode episode to come outs for me to read that but the characters are clearly CG yes and it looks good it looks really good like the CG is excellent I think you make a really good point will they have some of the more comedic elements now that you know the cast is been announced it's gonna be John Oliver as the bird oh the bird what I think I think there will be two more but I think Josh GAD is in there I want to say it maybe just in every Disney uh-huh what about a little what are they coyotes or the hyena lion is right yeah I think so I think it's gotta be a kid movies that Whoopi Goldberg no no honey is no I mean they were all famous voices no um what was our point 15% brain power loss two things one little controversial because the original creative team of the writers and the artists who worked on the animated film did not get rights to get royalties for this so they are they are completely cut off essentially and so just something you know it's it's a business thing it's it's a it's a union thing but they don't get royalties yeah on that type of format because animated films we're not treated with the same regard and so for this remake they're unfortunately not getting any of the royalties either also you guys have seen The Lion King musical right now I have negative liking musicals which Julie Taymor directed and did an incredible art direction for is most well known probably for its opening number yeah it like punches you in the face it's so without forceful costuming the music the majesty and the creativity of how they had stage performers also come these characters and for me the first time I saw it loved it loved it loved it until they got to Timon and Pumbaa it just didn't work it became Disney on Ice the moment Timon and Pumbaa came on stage and so my fear for Lion King movie for this one is that once that's moaning Pumbaa aspect comes in I don't know if that's this style CG will work well for that and Timon is Billy Eichner who is already kind of a caricature of himself and Pumbaa is Seth Rogen I think so we got we got some characters so we'll see how it works out I'm not gonna hold my breath I'm gonna I'm sceptical on Disney all things dizzy I'm not hating on it you certainly are you know what I'm not I'm like I don't know what happened I was not a huge Lion King fan like I'm it didn't hit me like it hit the rest of the world so I'm not even all that excited about it from that standpoint but it does look really good and I have kids who'd like to go to the movies so I'll probably see him alright well they don't look on in the movies you can always watch things on Netflix and maybe the kids like minecraft because there's a new Minecraft thing launching on Netflix soon thing it's why do you call it a thing because it's not it's what is it it's not a movie it's not a TV show it's an interactive piece of entertainment boy that's gonna mislead some people that's people gonna think you can play Minecraft on Netflix yeah you know it's it's a choose-your-own-adventure and I swear they should freaking license that series and turn it into an animated you know series of their own but what this is is a Minecraft cartoon it's called story mode that you watch and then at key moments you make critical decisions and you control the fate of the care actors on screen I have not watched it yet I haven't watched it either telltale actually worked on this r.i.p yeah and it do you think your kids are your kids minecraft enabled my kid isn't let's hope not what will your kid's first video game be Red Dead Redemption really good question alpha baby do you have a Mac right you have a MacBook No yeah well it's only MacBook look up alpha baby my kids love minecraft or at least have in certain phases of their life why I'm just curious like are they itch and to do this like have they heard about it on the playground kind of thing no no dude if it's not fortnight it's not cool like yeah my kid came home the other day and everyone he's super into dude perfect now that YouTube channel where they do like trick shots and I think they talk about it on during recess what minecraft no dude perfect they talk about the latest do perfect video yeah so that's why I was wondering if it's like the scuttlebutt at school I don't think so you know maybe there's some cool kids out there for whom the Netflix technology will be interesting here we doubt it um both although I'll watch this with my ear oh I think she'd be into this because we we do like the choose your own adventure books in this in life and they're doing a choose-your-own-adventure series in this style and also that black naropa so it's gonna take advantage of it sometime next next season that's interesting so we can't wait for that yeah I still stand by the black mayor decisions lock you into your choices you view it the one time and lock it into your account this is the only way you can watch the episode it's going forward I love that idea and then you'd be the most black mirror talk to your friends about what experience they had right right what if you watch on multiple devices at the same time at the same time yeah is it like the first one to choose everyone else gets blocked to that choice everyone on your family account yep yeah that's an easy to technology problem from them to solve yeah Netflix also announced a big partnership with the Roald Dahl family the state to produce new animated shows in what they're calling the Roald Dahl story universe now a lot of questions about what this means of course world all was the author of stories like The BFG and Mathilda Charlie and Chocolate Factory or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory I think it's Charlie the original is Charlie yeah the movie is Wahine Wilders will Charlie Chocolate Factory you haven't named my favorite one yet twits James and giant changes in the Giant Peach stop-motion classic now and these will be retold in in animation for I wonder if they're gonna keep Leah Quinton Blake style illustration as the aesthetic he'll really like that probably not it's quite own things and but the insinuation is that these stories will somehow be connected because it's a story universe and that's a new hot thing right now get people to watch one show and then watch the other shows because money common type of connection because money yeah not net so your creativity speaking of stop-motion have you guys seen the Apple ad that's two or three-minute Apple ad did you watch that yeah no yeah it's it's with a woman a girl young woman sitting at her laptop and she's being creative but she's very private with all of her things and so she hides them in a box and her dog eventually releases them into the air and they blow away and mmm she's all nervous because now she's gonna be exposed and she runs out into the world and you know it's a happy ending but it's then there's apple also released a making-of video which you you really must watch because and I would recommend watching it after you've seen the ad because you'll be very surprised about what was real and what was CG in the in the ad itself which side were you more surprised by how much was real oh okay it's astounding it the amount of artistry in this ad is is really really quite impressive so go watch that this is why they were behind scenes pieces because otherwise people just assume yeah all CG all CG you asked about what from game and what would be my child's first game probably some variation of Pokemon no no that's your like going here's a head I your kid will play games this year but they will be yeah I wouldn't consider those games interactive learning tools yes right yes that's that's when you make sure digital make sure in the Triangle you tell they've read this is not a games not a game you're learning take that smile off your face I gotta say increase that IQ peeing on your parent while they're changing your diaper also a game yeah yeah there was a winner there was a loser and there are trick shots very good what's the story about a world of warcraft' pokemons well it's just a rumor have you played Pokemon go before I know of it my 11 year old got back into it this trip which is a perfect opportunity to do it cuz he was away from fortnight and had a mobile device so really since they opened since they added raids he hasn't played at all but now they have essentially like you know you can go on raids to actual locations in the real world with other Pokemon go players and fight the big pokemons together well playing that got me kind of playing that with him over this past break got me a little bit you know a little more excited about Pokemon go and then then I got excited about this this news because Kotaku is reporting that Blizzard has in development a World of Warcraft version of Pokemon go bill come on yeah sure they'll be more likes and who knows like they it is supposed to be much more complicated it's not as basic as Pokemon go what are you two walking around doing basically we were in Azeroth all along yeah I mean that's I as someone who was hooked on the world of warcraft for a small period but deeply memorable of my life what are your hopes you know just that they can take Pokemon go a little bit further I want to go on quests I want that I want the the quest master at my library to send me on a quest to the canyon in San Francisco in order to like get a bunch of wolves and then I bring the wolf pelts back to the library sorry honey I gotta go on a quest dude you picking up some groceries no I'm collecting wolf pelts that would be a real good belt no I'm I'm mining wood in the forest yeah you guys don't don't get that at all that would be fun for me I get it what's the over-under and how many minutes before somebody Leroy Jenkins themselves yeah right in the graphic 30 I think 30 yeah you know um upgrades what-have-you Niantic isn't associated with us and loot you like fine I don't know maybe go on raids me you got it for people to like get together in the real world and go on a raid but what makes this Wow essential what why does this need to be Warcraft brandy why can't this you could be in any IP what can't be done to dragon totally do this could be D&D it would be the fact that its World of Warcraft is like you know getting a fortnight license I mean it's huge it's just a massive hook to get people interested from this start here's a question how does Pokemon go which Niantic the first had their other kind of Arg that seeded info from users and also from Maps data how would as Pope and go tier for experience from country a country when the datasets are different and the geography in the city designs I played I played internationally there it they're pretty solid datasets any it's just population-based timming Lee so I've played in rural parts of this country I've played overseas it's fine you see you play the diantha their first game I play ingress ingress Yeah right right oh god the shame they still a yeah from the wave of game the way that Wow okay it's fun I like the aesthetic of that game it's very Tron it is and they released an update to it the first time in I think about six years two weeks ago well and it is awful well the problem says the data set is also shared because they said is the real world so when you talk about multiple games using the same data sets or even just the same geography if people are all running to the top of Twin Peaks ones collecting Pokemon ones on an ingress mission someone else is hunting Morlocks that's not gonna be as fun it's fine it's really the people that are way too serious and double-park their cars to do it that's their they're the problem run through Central Park that's the problem but I think you lack imagination if you think it's not fun to have all of the and their wires a lot of imagination you're right because there's not a lot of game to it you're right that's what everything like what if what if Blizzard can pull that off I want to tell you about something I thought I was this shopping plaza on sloped boulevard norm knows which one I'm talking about yep and these four teenage kids walk outside of a restaurant and they approach a stack of real pallets and they start mimicking the fortnight chopping action no pickaxe in their hand they are just fake chopping pallets in the real world no devices in their hands and they are there for at least three and a half to five minutes why are they doing that because I don't know but I felt a graphic to the role they're so good hey this is ultra-high resolution oh my goodness the HDR on this sunset tonight it made me feel very sad I had a good time asking all of the young people on my Thanksgiving trip how many for tonight dances they know oh boy and they all have a number like I know I know one I know them and I always say you know the main one and they all say floss like yep that's the one no no all these kids know these dance my kid again not there yet maybe maybe five years down the line you don't need to be here this is not a happy place for that we're at doing all this it was it I think Craig Miller said the best thing to do at Thanksgiving you have other kids in the room with your kids in the room it's like and some random Bowman's going oh is this fortnight and have them explain for me to you my experience kids love explaining for exactly exactly it's the story time this is the thing they really care about now in Thanksgiving if you were saying saying hey this is this a Red Dead game which people did say is that Western game oh I can tell you stories and read dad maybe the next game I'll be playing because the Red Dead online just went into beta this week yeah is it fully open now I think by the time you listen to this anyone who has purchased the game and played the game can jump into the beta Rockstar was very secretive about what the beta went entail and now we're finally getting details as people we're playing through it and it turns out it's almost like just a co-op version of the single-player game with new missions strangers you they're up to 32 players on a map on the server and you can group up with eight people or seven other people let's have a posse of eight people and ride horses together and complete missions you could do that in the first one I don't remember being at an add-on I remember just being part of the game online yeah well maybe this was I mean this is an add-on in the sense that it's it's not like an extra room no I download it's just they released later yeah yeah then can you actually play the single-player game now co-op you cannot okay and that's because the single-player game is so story driven so singer singular character driven yeah with the voice acting but that is its own experience and I will say as someone who's put in 80 plus hours and to read dad to the main story is amazing but once you finish chapter 6 which is the end of the main story you can stop there you don't need to go into that blogs Padma yeah so we alluded to the Black Friday purchases earlier but who actually heard what did you guys buy oh so many things more whoo I got the deals coming out of me every which way let me tell you I got a lotion for that socks I got two belts I got for yourself yeah I bought the most mundane things in the world there is not many great deals the thing that I've been most excited about is I finally bought a fire - fire cube and I just I really enjoyed the voice integration with its ability to turn on and off the TV and just go right to the media I want tell the Apple users what the fire Cubism it's a device that Amazon makes to spy on you in your living room which one it is the cube that is essentially the direct replacement for sort of the set-top Roku or the set-top Apple TV via HDMI standards it can communicate with a TV or a sound bar and so it basically has replaced my Harmony remote and all the macros I have associated - can it hear you over top of the TV well enough yeah seems to hear me fine and I love being able to fast forward by it by voice X number of minutes that's interesting yeah the problem is the problem with fire cube is the cold war with Google that has been going on for you know years now it feels like yeah because they have added YouTube back into it but it's YouTube via browser so voice controls don't work and so as soon as that drops so the whole Google ecosystem becomes available and becomes available with voice I think you really have something because I got to say the Google home integration with the YouTube TV was great being able to fast forward like two minutes via voice was through commercials was was pretty fantastic didn't google recently allow YouTube on the echo show yeah but only via browser so you don't have voice control over it got it I think there is more work to be done because there only certain apps that have the voice enabled control so like Netflix has it but something like Plex doesn't so I can't look at my own library that I have on an ass that way but all that being said I'm really happy with it and paying like 50 bucks for it was kind of a steal that's basically what like a high-end Roku cos well done man I got nothing I got nothing oh yeah yeah I got baby stuff hey garbage diaper but for like $3 off though right not even guess what baby stuff never goes on sale sure subscribe and see ya yes yes that's that's basically it yeah there was nothing was that attractive this year for me I know TVs obviously like the big things I bought a TV last year yes good you're good on for a while yeah the only things I really got is it's my kids birthday he doesn't listen the podcast but I got him a switch he saved up money for it you were saying this out loud yeah he doesn't listen to this and I got some Nintendo games for some dollars off which is like a rarity yeah I did I'm sorry I did buy psvr for for friends and family so there was a good deal on psvr from $250 with the motion controls and that's there is there are some decent deals on some VR stuff but did you hear what happened with the oculus codes by the way so everyone has who has an oculus account has the ability to share three codes okay with whoever they like and they but you when you share it you have to choose the product is it gonna be a rift an oculus go 32 gig or 64 gig three different SKUs right and then you've given an email address and they get a code for that SKU four percentage off this yeah it's 10 or 20% based on how expensive the thing is well apparently like this worked for any oculus account so it didn't have to be one that you use so people were opening up just new oculus accounts and thinning Coco it's four percentage off yeah and of course the owner of the code gets store credit so it's like you know you people were doing this to self-service and didn't oculus shut it all down oh no yeah now I I didn't know that that was a thing I just sent one code to my cousin by the way I brought the oculus go to the this hotel I mentioned to my family reunion it knocked a bunch people out like the actors go is still impressive to people who've never done VR but what were the things they liked the most I only showed them what's the rollercoaster minecart thing yeah shooting things yeah it's it's it's talking about do you know can I just tell you my mom is number five in the world of that game coaster combat what's number five in the world on the worldwide charts and is your mom and expert video games for the ballet instructor go figure anyway that was too bad because they shut the whole holding down you can no longer share codes at least last I checked Wow yeah that's too bad yeah just a lot of sharing of a headset did you wipe down the lenses you wipe down the lenses in like Jerry Seinfeld it's a lot of sharing you know II did some tests on those those lenses you might find some surprising amount of maybe human matter on on the lens that you're pressing against your eyes which is what happened on the touchscreens at McDonald's in the UK study was done to check the the bacterial content on McDonald's such screens would they find a lot of fecal matter I want to come out here and just sort of interrupt this story and say this is not a big deal at all your your phone is probably the dirtiest thing in terms of fecal matter that is on your body next to like the actual rectum like it has a ton of fecal matter I'm touching a lot of but these days yours especially so norm probably has some extra stuff on it I will say I mean Adam did this they did all couple mythbuster shows on this and it didn't matter whether you took it into the bathroom or not it just builds up that stuff from the air over the course of the day and of course a restaurant that has bathrooms in it is going to get a bunch of fecal matter and always must wash their hands yeah but the custody doesn't say that for the customers does it I think the the scare isn't that it's fecal matter because I think you're right anyone who whose watch that Mythbusters episode knows that it's everywhere and maybe in more places than you think that's out your bathroom but we're talking about a user experience flow where you are there touching that screen specifically because next thing you're likely going to touch is either your credit card cash or the food you will eat and I don't think a lot of people go order their fries and then go wash their hands or use Purell before eating set fries guess what the next dirtiest thing besides a phone is that you have on you romaine lettuce well not anymore that recalls on you that you have on you credit card your money yeah money so like the so like this is a this exists now you are you using the credit card machine at these places yeah guess what those finger pads are also covered in fecal matter never cleaned probably no no you should see my daughter's iPad screen it's probably like puts these makes these screens look pristine Clorox wipes everywhere how am I gonna use Clorox wipes use this is Purell this is normal to have fecal fecal matter isn't a bad thing unto itself I just said that out loud great there's it still think it's good practice carry around some some antibacterial for you it is yes it the current state you are in your life norms gonna be the guy in line and McDonald's who cleans the screen before he uses it no no no I'm clean my hands after I use it clean the screen I don't want to clean this help people out that's McDonald's job they're taking away jobs are using these machines bTW true so speaking of touchscreens the interesting article I found online this week from Inc and switch comm but it was analysis about latency on screens this guy wrote a pretty deep dive analysis of why it feels like touch screens have latency and what is the perceptible amount of latency a measurable receptive amount for most people which I think I disagree with like he says I think that for about 80 milliseconds it's considered anything above that's considered slow anything within that 20 millisecond drain just consider responsive I think it's a sliding scale for some people who use touchscreens a lot or other variables like the refresh rate of the screen you're using or the type of interface touching hold or using some that the animation is there an animation I think all those build into the perceptibility of latency what's really cool cos there's high resolution high speed footage of touchscreens at high frame rate and using styluses on windows devices and Apple devices and you know he has the iPad pro using specific apps like the Notes app the built-in Apple app has having the lowest latency of 20 milliseconds for any style of space touchscreen and then something like the Samsung Galaxy s3 and older older device using a clunkier app even like canvas wept to 75 milliseconds of latency which is why it just feels you think it's 75 that makes a difference for like a you and I because I get the this latency makes a difference for like the artists a lot like the high end users but if you're using a stylus just sort of casually you said you and I like user interface that's good I think I think it does matter I think we expect a certain amount of responsiveness and I think we've had this with keyboards and mice four generations of computing before touch screens and that's why for mice you download this program to increase the polling rate so refresh faster and feel smoother and and some for some people even the digital keyboards they have today are not as responsive they feel like as some of the analog ones ahead I think the threshold for where it bothers you has to do with what you've experienced up until that point it's relative you know I don't think a lot of people who have been Android forever care so much about the latency that they experience on there because they don't notice it but if you're on an iPad pro with 120 Hertz yeah and then you back yeah and it's different it's sort of like when we were planned quake over dial-up you know we had totally a quarter second latency and in a lot of the point this article makes is that at some point we reach a limit like it will not get faster than 20 milliseconds just be is there are layers of software and you low level software that needs to run for to process the signals and you're gonna get noise and you're gonna have to process signals and so combined you're gonna get you know 20 to 40 SEC milliseconds which is good enough and that's just where we have to live with for the foreseeable future unless you're using paper the ultimate low latency yeah that's right infinite framerate yes yeah what is the frame rate in for your life that's a philosophical question all right moving on Oh a couple of machine learning stories this week this one a little more cynical NBCUniversal is gonna start using a corner to add week machine learning for advertisements on its programming what do you mean so this solves the the theoretical would solved a hulu problem you know the hulu problem of watching binge watching a TV show and getting the same ad every ad break yeah because these don't have the inventory or they don't have the salt for the backend to serve up different ads I don't know what it is but NBC Universal is gonna run their content through machine learning algorithms to identify products in the shows and then theoretically run products or products in those categories as the ads following those segments so it makes no sense at all this is reverse product placement they're pulling the ads out of the show and translating them into real that real ads makes no sense right now it makes sense in a sitcom setting like if you're watching baeble yuri and they're like eating cornflakes now you get a corn flakes ad why but why am i any more likely to like cornflakes if because it was in the show because you just it doesn't matter if you like you they ads supposed to make you like it the it being in the show is a prime your brain to receptive the idea of seeing something cornflakes right and in fact that it's in the show is supposed to be a subliminal thing that it affects my interest and guess what that's because I like this show machine learning will decode that subliminal message yeah and make it more visible I'm like do you think YouTube TV already does this because it plays ads on content and it knows a lot about me but that's about you and that may be even a better so there's an argument about what is the more effective marketing tool is it about catering to the users history and what they want may purchase a need at the moment yes or is it about in the moment of watching a block of content and television what their brain is primed to discover and you know like because you could argue it for sports Wow the machine learning says that you're watching a TV show nature documentary in in the Sahara Desert and in the jungle and it knows through the machine learning that it's folks feelings of warmth and hotness well let's run a Coors beer ad right after the segment to make you feel like you want refreshment or you know a soda ad or something no this is the first no yeah first one yeah yeah you rather have you know your search history give me the advertising that is the good thing give me the advertising that knows enough about me to know what I need and help me out I finds the problem with those type of ads where if based on your searches through your browsing history cookie stuff is that they have no idea what my intent is when I originally browse or search that because we're interacting with a stupid version of those ads right now that is just based on our history and is less predictive about our future no context sensitivity but Google knows enough information to do something better it knows that I sat in traffic for X amount of time but these knows in like it knows that I go to X grocery store now to buy stuff it knows like knowing where you go is a powerful information about telling me what I want it knows your friends and their birthdays the clearest example for me of a failure is when I have you bought something for Jeremy his birthday's coming when I a base search for a product ranked Amazon starts eBay search whatever retail search to find a lowest price and I do it a couple times or have a save eBay search or something and then it thinks oh I must be normal to be interested in this I'm gonna show Coogler is gonna show me a ton of ads based on this product but guess what I've already bought it yeah I bought it and these ads are wasted on me and they're annoying now because it doesn't know that I've already it met that criteria yeah and then it's wasted ad dollars early days oh yeah it's scary when it gets too when it gets the good days yeah then we'll be longing for the early days Minority Report yeah speaking more machine learning and AI learning algorithms Amazon has released a or announced and available for pre-sale a physical product an RC car except what's controlling it is a deep learning algorithm called deep racer wait can I buy this you can pre-order at 250 bucks right now what yes what does it do well it uses reinforcement learning a type of machine learning so does trial and error and it can have it learn how to successfully go around racetracks it's supposed to and I guess the idea is to teach programmers the physical benefits of implementing machine learning tangible benefits in the real world yeah there's a Atom processor onboard camera Wi-Fi and I gotta open Intel computer vision toolkit so there's some level of programming that allows me to compete with other people who buy the car is that the idea yes yeah like if I'm a more clever John Carmack I can make it that I can win the race I don't know about winning the race I think it's more proof of concept for like here you can now try these variables to experiment and see how fast these algorithms iterate yeah and what type of thing input you can you can put in it says I can compete in the world's first global autonomous racing league yeah to race for prizes and glory glory or like a $1 future credit as a digital reward for your no rest shipping we got to watch this this will be alpha go for 2019 come on KITT let's well test it by one of these tested by one of these if we can actually program it yeah let's probably get it to work let's do I'll do it then that will pull it does seem cool yeah go into YouTube and Google a couple changes in that ecosystem Google first of all their YouTube original programming slate will be it seems to be fading or at least next year of shift away from the paywall business model we're talking about shows like Cobra Kai h7 yeah that's one that won't like they've already said that one in particular did so well yes exactly yeah probably it's unfortunate I don't know what did it do well or do well compared to the other shows I don't know yeah I mean this makes sense I mean I because I have YouTube TV I've had access to the YouTube read original content and I'm gonna say most of it that hasn't wowed me it's hard to compete with Netflix originals which is much more situated for for that kind of viewing for me I still I mean I still mostly use YouTube for the YouTube die deep dives like the YouTube rabbit holes I'm currently on like a tool restoration rabbit hole heck yeah that is so satisfying and it seems like they're just pivoting back to more that free content I don't know if that means they're moving away from higher production which is what I keep seeing in the video the channels I go back to or they're finding that users who watch that type of programming will bear more ads more address as many outbreaks as watching a show on television well on the other side Google has now rebranded project Phi no longer a project it is now Google Phi and open to iOS users iPhone users can now get their cellular data and calling service from Google and I believe Samsung like any non Android or non Google Android device so project fine now Google Phi quick recap what what yeah what is it it's basically $20 a month just to have service that gives you like calling text and then you get charged by the data you use so it's 10 dollars per gigabyte up to 6 gigabytes and then that's capped so the max you'll pay for an individual line is $80 if you use 6 gives data or above hmm but you if you aren't a heavy data user it has an opportunity to save you money this is based off an infrastructure that uses t-mobile and Sprint data lines so I would underscore having two services especially if you live in urban settings can be good but t-mobile and Sprint coverage in rural locations in this country is somewhat more limited like 18t and verizon so you have to make the individual choice based on that carrier they're usually not very upfront about disclosing that that they use t-mobile and Sprint lines you are yeah but but I think that's sort of important to know if you travel internationally you get locked in at the same rate so you're usually you're like your data rate when you go internationally it's still 10 dollars a gig which is awesome for any international users I love it because I use pretty consistently about three gigs of data a mom and so I come out to about 50 dollars yes and then the months where I don't use a lot of David data I'm saving money your wife's not on it my wife isn't on it she has an iPhone so she hasn't been able to been on at beyond it so but she has sprint so it makes no difference to our service wise so we might port over to a family plan isn't there a family plan that's a better rate it's it's a minor savings so yes there is a family all right no the question is as Sprint and t-mobile and other networks moved to 5g does Project Phi also get the best quality of service from these piggyback service riders or no well they prioritize their dedicated subscribers I saw a 5g test car Wow parked in Noe Valley and it looked like the most pirate radio thing you've ever seen like it didn't look like it was it rolled out of some computer lab it looked like it rolled out of a dorm room all of this car was covered in antennas and inside it was just packed with routers and specialized equipment I don't know what it was so I walked up and asked the guy and he said we're scoping the 5g signal did it this is co energy Sigma n E particular company they contract for all of them oh just to see what the you know to test the the actual connection I want see a picture of this car did you see a picture no I was there it was cool though I would say just wrapping up Google Phi I think it's an awesome service the Google support around it is is really good so I've really enjoyed being on there but it's not for everyone like norm should not get this plant I use way more data and they slow you down after 15 gigs even though you're only paying the six gigs uh yeah I know they also tapped my Wi-Fi network so it seamlessly just piggyback some Wi-Fi to try to alleviate it's not as seamless as they say yeah yeah it's my fear yeah speaking of cars Jeremy with a little bit but a bit of car news to talk about the big technology news want to include cars and tech this week is GM's unfortunate shuttering or planned shuttering of three manufacturing plants on United States on allocating on that's hair horrifying yeah affecting tens of thousands of jobs huge portion of the workforce and also ceasing production essentially some orders on the Chevy Volt with a V the V yeah it's that our friend Zac ratting has a volt yeah in fact that's how we met because I was curious about it and he reached out and he loves his car I don't know what volt owner who doesn't welcome the vault will still work right it's not like Tesla sitting down but it's it's an interesting solution like it's you know a certain amount of charge and once you expend that battery charge it switches to the internal combustion engine it's a hybrid it's not it's like a it's what I think it's the different a hybrid would use both simultaneously whereas this is like well it's the modern hybrid because like you're gonna B's a plug-in it's a plug-in I don't know there isn't there's a name people screaming at night plenty of cars right now with a small battery that will do 2030 miles of range good enough for your daily commute the the major the sad news here is that potentially more than 10,000 people will lose their jobs but there's this is also this this car and others are in probably you know short lifespans now they are not planning to cancel the bolt with a B they're still betting the farm on that in terms of the future of the company and obviously it plays a role in their ride-sharing and autonomous car yeah they spot this whole announcement as looking toward the future which they said is toward EVs and autonomous vehicles yeah and GM really hasn't had a big autonomous vehicle play you know I don't see the concept cars you see you see cosmic cars from Audi from from even chrysler where they have autonomous designs were you know passengers are facing each other you know the drivers and the passenger seats are pointed inward as opposed to facing outward I don't see any of that stuff with GM maybe it's a CES thing that Cruze automation uses the bolt at least here in the city for their autonomous vehicles way mo which is Google's autonomous car division did they spin-off I was curious about that I thought they did spin off their spun off an alphabet you know there are several company inside alphabet now gotcha it's not independent got it right they are resuming their autonomous car driving no no they're resuming putting drivers back in like they were the one autonomous car company that got approval to have to be driverless he's an Arizona right in Phoenix yeah but also in the in the Silicon Valley oh and now for some reason they have put the safety driver back behind the wheel now earlier this year they had an accident where one of their safety drivers dozed off I don't know what what like how does that happen I get I get that there's nothing to do but you are still behind the wheel and you got one job right like I don't understand the dosing it's probably a pretty boring job and when when when the safer driver dozed off safety drivers foot hit the gasoline panel or the brake deactivating the autopilot and you know bumped into a barrier everything I think everybody's fine but I think that might have led to this putting safety driver back in anyway I find great safety first that said I want to get the safe autonomous future as soon as possible yeah you know going back to the GM factory shuttering yeah there was some speculation online of like what would happen to these factories in these spaces and a bunch of people put forward well this seems to be a great opportunity for Tesla to come in and buy the factory as they did with the new be plan in in Fremont where the model threes are being made and it's unfortunately not as simple as that there was a perfect fit it turned out when the Fremont fat factory was shuttered that was I think a GM and Toyota collaboration and these three plans are all I think there are union based plans I don't know if Tesla wants to move into that space and they don't know if they there if they can work with the equipment there because Tesla is you know but they want a lot of robotics in their plants also they have the big factory in China they're spinning up but it is true that you know if they can get the real estate cheap it's real estate the land we have owned these factories is a big part of the cost it would be cool for an electric car company Tesla or otherwise any other one so move in take over the factory space and rehire the workers yes speak of Elon oh if he's around anymore yeah we gotta music you and so we enter Elon shower question is Elon shower on earth or is it on Mars and what is it like to shower on Mars it's a little different it's a little slower yeah did Mark Watney tick showers don't worry little bit much right sonic shower sonic shower that's right anyone with full Star Trek on by the way just watch that movie again as it holds up damn does it hold up yeah it's like even better yeah because the world's a little darker now and that's a very positive movie it also it just looks fantastic not on like a big screen a good screen yeah I love 4k HDR yeah it's awesome you heard it here first we recommend the Martian you might have actually we go way back so yeah I guess HBO do you know what this series is it's um called what is this series be Axio serious yeah ax is that just what is that about Axios is kind of like an inside-the-beltway vais type of news organization and they have a show on HBO where they've mostly been interviewing like politician types in the lead-up to the midterms but Elon went on there if you've watched like Vice on HBO and it's like a similar kind of feel to it but a little more do they do their finale driven do they focus on one interview every it's a it's a usually a couple okay well Ellen was interviewed on this show on HBO and there's a clip or at least one clip available online and gadget did a little write-up on it and pulled out the most interesting quote which is Elon Musk says there's a 70% chance it would go to Mars that's the number he's pulling on his ass mm-hmm based on the facts there's poop articles on this story based on where it came from he says that there are some recent developments that make him very excited it just means 70 percents means more likely than not yeah by the way there's a quote that's what do you want to get across it he's not a that is there's you can't do it arrived that number look the fact is there's a guy who has his own space company who has plans to go to Mars and like and he is planning to go there one day he wants to come back to you know he this like the closest we've ever gotten to somebody maybe going to Mars I think he would only care if he was the first I don't he did make an analogy the shackleton going to the South Pole and I think he made that analogy to underscore how danger it is because if you study Shackleton's journey it is really messed up you have to set you have to set that up because the interviewers kind of one of the guys kind of made a fool of himself when he asked him how likely was he to go 70% and the interviewer said so this is kind of an escape hatch for rich people parachuted for rich people he call an escape hatch because Elon had said it would probably cost a couple hundred thousand dollars and so the response was oh poor analogy from enormous space this is an escape hatch for rich people you don't want to open hatches in space to which Elon Musk responded no are you freaking crazy yeah like there's a there's a good chance you'll die on the way once you get there if you survive the landing you're spending your rest of your life building a base in an inhospitable environment maybe you can get home so this is the part that I think is just totally crazy this isn't the 60s or 70s we're not in the midst of the Cold War I think the the public's appetite to have someone perish and rout is so low now compared to dead that we can't run expeditiously ask I think people would be happy either way I did I just think like wait what do you mean by that I think we just watch first man and where you watch the Apollo 1 disaster and you watch you you see everything they went through where things are feel like they're held together by duct tape but we had to beat the Russians and so there was this driving force we don't have that today the appetizer are the wrong word the tolerance right the tolerance for failure yeah much lower these days because of the car now like any minor failure and we've seen this with oh you know what happened with a recent Soyuz launch means like nearly shutting down the program now here's that here's a sad thing is the question tolerance for failure because of the monetary costs and the equipment cost of going a second time in relaunching or is actually human lives because I would make their case that you know it's unfortunately in today's day and age people are doing more of the accounting losses than the the human life consideration I mean unfortunately it's you're right but also I think there's a media component to this because we're gonna watch this what however a human goes to Mars we're gonna watch most of it and that wasn't the case back forty years ago and I don't think we want to see a human it like streamed exclusively to your Tesla I don't know man I don't know why do people go to race kart races like that's and that's pretty dark but this is so much bigger the scale of somebody going to Mars and tuning into that knowing the dangers exist and you know that they would hype up the danger factor I think people would feels wrong I think people would just have that on just like we dedicate a TV to it I'm I'm I'm not arguing with you on the merits of that but it feels wrong that's not how we shouldn't be watching that as a reality TV show so here's here's the question is you know Elon Musk whether it's himself or someone if it is himself and somebody he's considering which based on this interview seems to be the case he is totally putting himself out there as a potential you know either first passenger or one of the people to go what other astronauts think about this do they think he is someone with the the fortitude and the discipline to carry out a mission like this let alone the deserving aspect because you know there's he paid for it whatever or it's his company but could someone like Elon Musk make it I'd maybe I mean he is an engineering he might be a useful person there but I just can't get images of Weyland Corp out of my mind well the when he talks about it this way yeah I don't know I mean I'd be curious what astronaut to think to but I think that they have that they've traditionally had a very different job which was to explore in return mm-hmm there's no way we're sending a one-way mission there's no way we what do you mean we as a human race are not going to have a one-way mission to Mars I know I just do not see where that's going to be okay I think there are some people out there astronauts included who would maybe not publicly say it but privately you know in a heartbeat sign on for a one-way mission to universe there's no way we'll okay that way yes because there this is not there's not enough money in the private sector for this to be funded independent of a government expenditure and there's just no way where I've heard NASA administrators say there's no way we're doing a one-way mission to Mars it's just not gonna happen yeah well I mean I can see how NASA wouldn't want to do that but I could see how private space company like this could it could make it happen but it this isn't a fully private thing they're using public resources to get there how so the SpaceX is main resource cream is very NASA yes and there's no way they're gonna launch an independent expenditure them to Mars they don't have the money for it yet yeah I mean like SpaceX is also privately for hire for a trip around the moon right if you for you and seven if in one way artists no it's not no but I'm saying they have other revenue streams get up there I still I don't think the math works all right I'm gonna stop being so indignant wait you want to go no I don't no way you know what I go there is there is no calculation that I should be in the top half of candidates on this planet to go to Mars the person that got the people that go to Mars should represent the best of us I still believe in that ideal like Cirque du Soleil sure you don't think he lands like that one of the best of us is just in terms of dreaming up big ideas and engineering and being you know I mean he's done so much professionally compared to everyone else he's also demonstrated human failings sure yeah well damn him well his boring company has pulled out making a tunnel in LA's westside I guess that was one of the places that they were going to actually provide the public service of boring a tunnel to help people get from one place to another place faster and with two to three miles of underground exactly apparently one of the are some of the people who lived above the tunnel proposed tunnel objected to the tunnel beneath them sounds like standard NIMBYism or what do you call it when it's a tunnel timbi ism yeah not I guess to be expected but that so they said never mind we're not gonna do it it's it be Humber ISM tunnel under my backyard yeah nice and that will do it for technology news I also want to thank the other sponsor that makes this episode possible and that is casita by Lutron smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron pioneers in smart home technology with casa de you can schedule your lights to come on at dusk so your family comes back to a well-lit home casita by Lutron takes your smart speaker whether that's an Alexa will go home Apple 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a thing in elementary school where you try to see how long it takes to tip what to pass something or whether it goes away you know gum gum I've swallowed gum before as well gum - but that's not what cash were asked no but but you know you've done like oh it just absorbs or doesn't pass my body for seven years like that's the the urban legend nickel is as big as I ever went but it is definitely I've definitely swallowed a coin in my life and you got it back I I mean I saw it clink you did but I did not retrieve it yes how long did it take it took about four days my Greek all holy cow and the reason we know that is because some brave souls in the 1970s volunteered for a series of studies that would determine when coins were swallowed by children what was the average time for them to pass and did they usually pass with any changes to the coin itself and they typically found that coins passed three to six days because you know kids like to swallow stuff case-in-point crazy but there are other things in our life that kids have that are small items that tend to get swallowed and this week a new study emerged about one of those items Legos I can imagine that and so for the first time any study was done on how long it takes for people to pass Legos and they finally go pieces LEGO pieces yes I mean and it wasn't defined examine it was in the study they talk about which pieces but they didn't I don't think they ate any minifigs and like any specialized like you know one time pieces these weren't from ucs kits let's like I would think that the yeah that's the concern we have right how dare you waste a UCS limited kit that's worth on than fibers a lot of money it could appreciate it I would think that if you're gonna smell a Lego piece that you want to pass quickly it would be a minifig head yes smooth cylindrical yeah yeah small sample size stud down oh of course there was one person in the study who did not retrieve his Lego piece oh boy too bad for him but it typically took about two days on average for LEGO pieces to pass these were adults who did that yeah but they were studying in the interests of pediatric care so physiologically infants babies the digestive system isn't dramatically different in terms of time scale so plus or minus a day depending on what I mean there's so many factors here let's talk about all the factors that go into poop norm this is the poo per minute the factor of this episode is the chart has to be the highest ever it's off the charts we're we are moving away from that because now it's time to talk about some serious studies I think most people have probably heard about the story about CRISPR editing in to babies that happen in China it actually dropped the news drop the same day as insight so it might have gotten the sort of buried underneath that but this was a big deal a scientist in China he actually studied here in the US he was a postdoc at Stanford his lab conducted gene editing of two embryos via an IVF type of artificial insemination and edited a specific gene and I'm gonna go into the scientific details in a second to make it more HIV resistant and these babies were born and are alive and he has confirmed since then that there is a second pregnancy underway where this edit has happened weren't the parents somehow yeah I'm gonna get into the parents on a second I think there's some critical details one no paper has been published about this he released the information in the way all great scientists do on YouTube and so it's not even in a preprint right now so no one knows what's going on he's been interviewed at a gene editing forum in Hong Kong which was less than satisfying so the parents he enrolled six sets of hair where the father was hiv-positive and the mother was not and the idea here is there's a specific gene called a ccr5 gene that has a mutation on it that tends to protect against HIV entry into the cell now for whatever reason there is some geneticists out there probably know the reason this mutation is not common in China and so the idea of this study was about sort of exploring that and so he developed in CRISPR a guide RNA to sort of guide it to its target that would replace his it was tested in mouse models and in a monkey model and then took that monkey ma they saw no off target editing meaning like they didn't cut where they didn't want to and then but they used like a sort you have to use a reference to determine if there's any off target and he used a reference from this company Illumina which is not according to most CRISPR experts the right resource guide the reference guide he should have used anyways he takes the monkey the the product the guide RNA developed in the monkey model and doesn't a human being doesn't an embryo that born into human this is so wildly unethical I I don't even know where to begin like we knew this was coming and I haven't been this mad about a story in a long time this is so insanely wrong what happened this is just like a violation of humanity on some level because what he did is without understanding the potential side effects of of what an off target edit could be he's produced people now that have to live with that and and long term not just this generation and not this dis generation that could be heritable what's gonna pass he instead of doing it and what you know what typically the edits that we want to do are in cells that won't pass so if I like edit you know a skin cell in you Jeremy that's not gonna path to your children now because that's not a cell line that passes down he did it in a passes down he's now going to affect these girls babies as well and that that edit without understanding the impacts of the off target is so wildly ahead of what we should be doing it is it is sickening you said like honestly it was sickening this has happened despite any approval he had of the parents that consent doesn't matter because the the can the children can't consent to this and then moreover his university has decried it every scientist has come out against this and said that this is wrong I think there's even been indications that the Chinese government has doesn't care for this culturally they have a very different scenario about editing and their tolerance for for it is really different than the then here in the US but that doesn't matter this is just unethical from a scientific standpoint I do want to call out the fact that we just don't know if this even worked like at this point people are even questioning whether this edit happened because he hasn't provided any data to back up that this edit has occurred and the fact that it's part of a second pregnancy already is is about as horrifying of a thing as I I've heard in a while again one thing I want to specifically call out and it feeds into our next story is you think a cell in your body and the next cell over have the same DNA because it's you right wouldn't have the same DNA yeah there's a lot of conditions that we have within us a lot of cell types on our body where that's just not true there's a thing called mosaicism where there's going to be different DNA and different cells just based on like errors during division processes the way heritability works and that's especially true in neurons and it could be true here so we have no idea the accuracy of these targets and to conduct this kind of edit without understanding the context of where it occurs is is just horrifying I don't know how else to say it I mean so much I mean this is gonna be a slippery slope is this is not the first and only time I think this is gonna happen no there's something and I mean is it in the way that best cuz I remember growing up there was a lot of hubbub when like the first sheep was cloned that reproductive cloning became a big topic and controversy and that never escalated to a point where it happens regularly and laws were passed preventing the research into those spaces of practice sure but that was also done in an animal and I get that there's people that probably had strong feelings about that too appropriately so but it didn't cross that line where we did human cloning without the the context of societal approval first the other thing is he did this in the context of HIV and this is later he hid behind this as his visit well attempt this is a slap in the face to that we don't do medicine this way where there are other treatment and regimens in place first of all the babies have no they have a much lower risk of getting HIV anyways during this method because the cell lines are washed the likelihood they're going to get HIV was basically zero and then he his argument is that them now they're less likely to get HIV in their life that is ridiculous preventive care to do this that is totally inappropriate and and and so I think it's a slap in the face to to the medical community and certainly to the HIV community this story will be interesting to follow because it'll also emerge like who is where people fall in this but as it stands the entire scientific community I've seen has come wildly down against this this move but how do you feel about it our last story picks up on that mosaicism idea because there's a really interesting story that dropped right before Thanksgiving so I was mentioning how our different cell types don't necessarily have the same DNA in them and that's really true of neurons there is a gene that is in our neurons called a PP it's called it's an amyloid precursor protein gene and this gene has been associated significantly with Alzheimer's basically this gene can can produce this amyloid and that forms into plaques which leads to Alzheimer's conditions mm-hmm what they FET what they always expected is that there's mutations on these jeans like variants that emerge in that gene that leads to more of this a like more of this formation of this plaque and they always thought there was a few kind of mutations that led to this what they found is that they analyzed patients with Alzheimer's and looked at it they had thousands of mutations in these in these AP p genes a factor like a six scale factor more than we thought before and this is just this is totally fascinating because now we can target Alzheimer's a really different way which is looking at how this ap P gene gets replicated as cells divide so and if there's a way to sort of block that maybe we can actually reduce the interest the introduction of this mutation right so it's getting a little hot in here so pardon me if I'm a little slow but are they thinking this may be one of the new root causes of Alzheimer's uh like it's hard to say that's the root cause this is almost sort of like it how it progresses hmm because it's not like it's the mutation itself that could potentially be the root cause but they're trying to stop the mechanism by which it propagates got it but this is a really interesting I think kind of a landmarks study and it will be interesting to follow how they are able to slow the progression of that mutation the V are minute virtual reality this week so since we all last the three of us have podcasted we got to do something in VR together it was a while ago I know we haven't podcast in a long time we play the new rec room quest what's it called it's the Shen dou of the Blood Moon that sounds right yeah you still got it 15% you see we have not beaten it no no and we've gotten far enough to learn that there are save points now oh my god you jump right to the the top of the matter I don't know if I want to beat this anymore cuz it does not have the same but you don't know you don't know like you have to beat it to find out if it was satisfying or not that's very true so to set it up this is a kind of a horror themed gothic theme Castlevania yeah gothic gothic theme you've a whip and there's a new weapon so whereas the last of the pirate quests introduce some melee and the the reloading pistol oh so good so good the in the very first thing you have is a whole storable new weapon which is a bullwhip and the physics of the bullwhip have it has a learning curve yeah you can get really good at it cuz you can reach really far you can and you don't have ammo for this so this becomes your de facto melee weapon well it's not just that you're supposed to hit creatures with it you have to pull back so like you snap it throw it and then you wait X amount of milliseconds and then you snap it back and depending on how long you wait the explosion is further away and sometimes you there's a little bit of Splash Damage so you have to sort of time it and get a sense for when to whip it back yeah very interesting and you also use it as a way to get around the world because you can swing and climb up trees and other poles not essential but really cool weapon mechanic still three players now we played it like a couple times got to a solid point where you enter this castle and defeated the first mini boss failed died and then it turned out like you said Jeremy we respawn in the lobby of the castle which was a good at least half-hour into the campaign you are not thrilled with it I was not no yeah you know what though I don't understand that norm because I I asked them like how are you making content that most of your audience will never see how do you invest your development hours in this stuff and I mean obviously there's a there's an argument to be made that that makes it special and if they were gonna do people are going to work hard to see it but you don't know yet if that doesn't also apply to this like maybe this campaign is longer or more difficult I bet it is in which case like you you're gonna want those say points or even you won't see the ending I wish that if they were gonna incorporate save points they would at least have the option of creating an Ironman mode where you don't get save points and you get special achievements or special recognition for beating it all the way through so I thinking about taking 20 seconds to leave the room and go back in and then you reset it yeah but it's not in there there's my point there's no way if we beat it right now I would want us the three of us to play it without the same without the save point that's the only way to get s-rank is that the only way to get s-rank yeah you can't die okay well then I want us to get s-rank okay you didn't get s-rank with with uh with pirate quest but I look back at pirate quest I look back at the the number of times we had to go through that mission yeah and how and how long it took us are even uncover some of the labored parts of the map I don't want the scale of difficulty of this quest to be where we're spending most of our time in the later stages because they're difficult I'd rather it be difficult to all wait all the way through but have a learning curve where we can get better at it and so there's discoverability every time we play I I'm with Jeremy I think like the repetitiveness of having to go through like the early levels over and over again wears on you I felt that way but we got to a point where were so good at it where we we were just we were going through those truck points and it was fun to hit those choke points night after night and some nights we wouldn't get further in some nights we would get further and there would be discoverability I'm really afraid that this lets you just binge it all and take it on without the rewarding act of having that time spent yeah III think that we'll look back on the early question with a nostalgically and with fondness yeah yeah there's something to those mm-hmm you know but like we said if you want to play this through without the save points you can do that you just quit go back in start from the beginning 20 seconds no it's too easy the crutch is there already well why is Tetris effect on here you put it on the show notes because if we've played it oh okay in VR we haven't talked about that on the podcast I don't think so have you talked about on the podcast I thought maybe you saw something about the PC release oh no is there a PC release oh yeah it's not first party like it'll come to PC eventually I'm certain of it we just don't know when in this variation in this form yeah man how can you be sure it's not because it's not a you know a Sony first party game it's as a third party game yeah but we don't know whether the exclusive was such that it's sunny it's gotta be timed no no I bet it's time hide I don't know yeah yeah but you're right it's not a thirst it's not a Sony developed game you won't see a strobe ah coming to PC that's true that is a Sony first party game and they're there in the business to sell headsets and games but Tetris effect I'm playing it more not in psvr really yeah why convenience yeah easy to turn it on and turn it off see I think it'd be great on the go I completely agree that oculus co or or the quest whenever that comes out right like this is a perfect mobile headset game you have you need six off no yeah this is a perfect put on a mobile headset and play it's a little bit expensive but I think I think you can get there's a lot of a lot of game they're conspicuous for Dolan's VR was exclusive for PlayStation and now it's been somewhat confirmed that it's can only be a time exclusive so if gearbox wants to release it for PC which there's no reason they wouldn't want to it will also come out on PC platforms on Steam apparently what is that is that a new game or no it's a remake of Borderlands the words to I think okay interesting for for VR single-player only no no multiplayer right unfortunately virtual desktop came out what tomorrow so the day this podcast comes out I think a virtual desktop for the oculus go will hit your oculus go store and we've tried I've tried it I don't like Norma's had a chance to try it yet but we we've had the opportunity I've had an opportunity to give it a chance to give it a try but the past couple days and I gotta say it works very well it's it is a very low latency desktop experience has many environments to true choose from I like the one that's actually a PC like you're just at a desk and you have a big PC monitor don't worry you say it's boring but it's actually that you get the best resolution because the screens right in front of you and it's quite big and it's it just it feels good like you can read the text you can play games on it you can actually sync a game pad up to the oculus go that will translate into a game pad on your PC so you're gonna latency isn't that bad like games the latency is it's it's worse than people are making a sound there's lot there's lots of videos out there saying I don't detect any latency no no if you're a gamer you're gonna detect latency and I think we could make an interesting video that actually shows it because you can see on your computer screen mirrored into the go and you can capture both you can see it and we can measure it yeah or you can measure this sound but it's if you know I whether or not it's good for games remains to be seen it's certainly fine for some types of games but the twitch games maybe not so much this is a way that you could get like YouTube TV streaming in your oh yeah no it's great for any kind of desktop consumption I mean it says it's great for that what I've seen nobody mentioned however is the Remote Desktop opportunities so you can actually take your go with you and access your desktop anywhere on the Internet but you would need some type of peripheral no no peripheral no no it you can act you don't have to be on a land you know to be on a local network at all to access know by I mean like how would you control your remote desktop the same way you control your remote desktop locally with the go controller go controller as a mouse yep and you can connect a USB keyboard or using the mouse you can pull up the virtual keyboard right so you got full control and so if you go somewhere else on the Internet he the guy who wrote the program incorporates a pairing server for your headset and and your streaming app which is running on your PC now that's the same pairing server that it uses if you're at home or anywhere else so they can talk to each other it finds out where your computer is the only thing you have to do on your computer side is either turn on universal plug and play in your router settings but don't do that you have to open up four ports and I will put the ports in in the show notes or something like that mm-hmm but he also said guy the guy who actually wrote the program it's gonna write a FAQ put those ports on it on his back but if you do that you now have a very really good remote desktop experience anywhere in the world now that's my question is from an experiential standpoint remote desktop on my laptop mess up is that's great yeah right on the phone remote desktop apps work but the user experience clunkier with the keyboard and screen and the resolution here you make the screen as because you want cuz you're in VR it doesn't make that much of a difference and what do people usually use andro desktop for you know some media management some oh really like let's see me I always use it like I'm somewhere and like hey can you give me that file yeah media management yeah or just like you forgot to send somebody something or you need to search something or get a file or listen to an mp3 or whatever it is cloud isn't working for you just have just have I take my oculus go headset on on the go when I travel nowadays and so now that's like it's actually quite an ideal remote desktop experience and that would be my probably my primary use for it hmm sitting around the house I don't see that the use case quite so much because I can either I could sit at my computer it's not like the computers not in use if I put the go on and use it from a different room it's not like it adds a monitor it takes it up but uh it's it's a really neat opportunity to actually see your computer when you're away from it very cool and that again is available as you're listening to podcast today for oculus co users I think actually that does it for this podcast does it Wow anything want to talk about one more thing yeah don't think so yeah okay I got the ports you got the ports right let's see other ports all TCP ports three eight eight one Oh 2:03 oh and 403 8 8 103 8 8 - oh yeah three eight three oh and three eight eight four oh that's right go oh I think we know the title of the show I won't remember that and that will do it for this week's episode thank you all for listening we'll be back next week with another episode we're in the holidays yeah I setup trees yet trees going up this weekend same here am i tree I'm going not real tree for the first time in five six years or going great tree it's expensive welcome to the club but you know I couldn't could go out and haul the tree so I had one delivered I got a setup tonight I did leave the house to pick up some food and I've already started seeing some some Christmas herpes lights on lights on the houses they've spread to your house already not to my house just in the neighborhood I've seen laser lights on houses oh yeah and it doesn't look good still doesn't look up this year does that mean laser lights on your house no no not not my neighbor in the neighbor gotcha guys guys yeah projection mapping come on it's been a year show them the way norm hey light form get in touch all right we have an outro yeah Steve Guang you line it up with the crosshairs and is's Jurassic Park we are a scientist exterior the whole time you are I don't know hey I want to give a shout out to Nick who said hi in the mall the other day came up podcast listener in town from England said hi he would say hi to you guys too if you were there hey Nick heythis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but they do just about 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crew back together again last week there's no quote unquote it is the original crew well I think there were some debates whether Gary was there at the very first podcast or was listen to it it wasn't a full wing cast either yeah yeah I will it's a good listen if you didn't if you're listening to this right now you want to rewind go listen to it it's a lot of fun don't listen to it while you're making Thanksgiving dinner like I did it's a mistake there's lots of discussion and last week's podcast that is not food appropriate hey man everybody was born I don't know I don't know if this week we'll have a lot of discussion this makes it fruit appropriate I'm looking at to the topics and there's there's definitely some poo there I'm not gonna talk about changing diapers I'll get that out of the way guys you guys you guys both have children you guys both have boys yes messy you know it why didn't someone tell me how messy it would be huh yeah yeah you're a boy you kind of know what I don't remember that part of my life I don't remember how you notice if it could be honestly you won't remember this part either eventually there'll be added diapers and changing themselves and life will be wonderful is it bad that at three weeks now is how old my son is that I'm already googling how long it will be before he stops with this this phase of his life normal behavior I would say that Jeremy's right you won't remember this and it's literally you won't remember it because you're not getting enough sleep for your for your memories to actually stay intact they're degrading now welcome to being a dad oh my god is this what that 15% is that is that what the freshman 15 is for being a dad the 15% of your brain that goes away has any of your technology that you amass but having your child assisted you so far in the past month no Oh nor has it been used he just sits there yeah like it use me put on my this headset please put me on do you think they will make a diaper changing robot one day goodness I wish I wish because the robot won't care if it's shat on Robby on Kickstarter the robot robot can do a good job can wipe this is where judgment day begins conversations like that that the robots won't care being shat upon you know and I'm sorry for people who don't want to hear about the baby stuff but I'm gonna go into it anyway because it's top of mine right now it's possible we could add a segment you know like a weekly bunch of dad's kind of segments it could be a whole podcast unto itself if it was a segment I mean I guess segments would be good in that it would constrain the time yeah I'm forced to distilled are the thoughts but priors are having a baby in the in the weeks leading up to the birth and even the months the one thing I would ask other parents are you know what what are the things you bought that you didn't need or what were things you wish you thought of that you you that you didn't get and got a bunch of recommendations and you know did as best we could I still find the advice inadequate I'm sorry it's not Chuck being there so I'll tell you if you like he just put us down but he needs to write their own book the one thing that I wish people told me more about and the thing that's real I think makes a big difference day to day hour by hour and what is it the quality of the wet wet wipes wet oh the quality of the wet wipes just no name generic Brent Huggies even wet wipes insufficient where wherever you landed the best things water wipes they're more expensive but they're wetter lake they absorb more and they bite more they don't dry out as fast and and if you have a wet wipe heater which we have now the babies much happier you can tell oh yeah I'm happier the heater is a ridiculous here I'm let the baby toughen up a little bit ah that's great you know when we were kids we did they worked with our hands we didn't even have disposable diapers we rubbed the baby's butt on bunny rocks and things right in the river and the stream and they were good exactly the diaper changes you get used to it I'm used to it by now but ever every time it's a it's a game of Russian Roulette not whether the poo is there or not because I hate it when I open the diaper and there's no poo yeah because that's a waste of a diaper but whether there will be more poo before the diaper change is complete yeah that's the game you got to get your time down you got to get that stopwatch going see how fast you can set get that diaper changed and learn the precautions oh I can do it the one hand amid change Prakash the Midd change you want to avoid the spray I mean this is all hard lessons learn because we've had you know eruptions in the and the pardon sorry geologists for using the Richter scale but eruptions in the the six or seven point o-- level mid change I would say five six inches of projectile I'd like to get three babies in here and let the three of us compete for diaper-changing time oh we're way out of practice with that's okay I think ice it's like riding a bike I think I can do it get some laughs by the hospital live commentary yeah some babies I I call color commentator they're sharing this today yeah the the dummies the baby the mannequins don't they're insufficient for the amount of squirming and wiggling and projectile shooting yeah real babies can do all those those after sharts like don't make it don't make it Angry okay don't make it Angry alright that's that's that's enough of the people how are your Thanksgivings you mean how is my Black Friday I thought Black Friday what had seen its ascendancy and it was over oh it's been over for a number of years okay I was just trying to help you know reminisce there for a moment because this is a terrible shopping celebration this year no stampedes that I heard over there stampedes the media is just clamped on the porn there it's so boring now it's all that online like like what is it now I it's it's honestly it's a week of spam mail is what it is I mean everything is online load and they've started on Wednesday now Wednesday and then Thursday their names for everything right there was these Thanksgiving Wednesday's the pre Black Friday there's Black Friday what does the Small Business Saturday and didn't know about that giving Tuesday giving Tuesday in the digital Monday vibrant vibrant right that's right and did this is the 10% I don't know member now yeah that's worthy of forget forgetting what the food was good food was great we I went to my sister's place in DC and she makes a tandoori turkey get out and I'm telling you right now if your turkey is not glowing an unnatural shade of red you are doing it wrong if it cooked in the tandoor yes how big of its herky Wow we did a 12 because we actually did two turkeys because if you're gonna if you're gonna follow up a tandoori turkey what's the other way to make it you got a deep fry it so I was outside in the cold deep frying a turkey doing my sister is making it tender that sounds he's amazing do it lowers and you know what that pairs well with anything because that's a goddamn tandoori turkey so mashed potatoes goes with it dressing fine stuffing also goes with it why not how about your Thanksgiving Jeremy I was at the same place I've been for 30 years which is a hotel my family gets together it's like 25 of us we get together to hotel in Virginia and we have a grand time and I had but there's you don't have to have Turkey some people had trout you know is it kind of like The Shining is it like a hotel that's that kind of hotel but we had a good time it's good to see everybody you know it's good to let the kids play with their cousins now and then mm-hmm I totally agree the I want to give one shoutout from my trip to DC to DC monuments hold up that's a wonderful experience I been like it's been like 15 20 years since I really went to a lot of the memorials and monuments and spending time at like I went to Teddy Roosevelt's one which is on an island and then FDR's one which I hadn't been to in like 15 years and then seeing all the quotes at MLK and in the Jefferson Memorial I forgot how affecting the Korean memorial was where you actually feel like you're transported a little bit to Korea and seeing them sort of walk through stuff is a really humbling experience and really was it brought out that that American pride that I have deep within myself and it was just awesome reading so many of the quotes you know I don't think many people know about the FDR memorial it's not it's in an island in the Potomac right it's not that Teddy Roosevelt once I yeah I like the FDR one is kind of right not far from Lincoln right yeah that's it's beautiful was it back there and how was it how's the weather the weather was perfect I went a couple days before Thanksgiving and it was like 50 and clear and then we went skating on an ice rink next next next on the National Gallery Smithsonian building which is awesome it was basically a perfect day the crowds weren't overwhelming but there was enough people there that there was sort of an excitement to it I was in Virginia too obviously and when I was a Dulles I photographed an advertisement I saw on the wall that was just a generic healthcare business that wants you to know about them sure and it the focal point of the ad big big you know billboard ins in the hallway in Dulles is a computer monitor and on the computer monitor I noticed all these patient names and they're all people from The Simpsons every last one of them is a character from The Simpsons and this is just like a screen with a small screen it can read it's a big screen it's like a major part of the ad Wow and I thought that what's odd like that must be an easter egg some designer did that so I tweeted it it got a lot of attention and the guy who designed the image on the computer screen actually joined the conversation Wow and apparently he designed this open source software that any hospital can use and this advertising company just used his screenshot that he had posted on his site oh my gosh in there and wasn't even the the marketing people it was no his and not selling his software like I don't think the people who actually posted this ad know what they did like they don't know those are Simpsons characters nobody who works for that company knows that is just funny I just thought that was pretty funny it's neat like a little small world experience to have the guy who did the thing join in that's amazing yeah so good travels and I stayed at home we didn't did of course we didn't we didn't want to take the baby anywhere I did go I did leave the house and I'll say on Thanksgiving Day the hardest-working people on Thanksgiving Day I mean the hardest but some some very hard working people and Thanksgiving there that the employees of Boston Market I thought you might say that yeah and I did have to make a stop for p.m. to get some sides and pies and Boston Market in Thanksgiving Day on Thanksgiving dinner open open till 5:00 p.m. that's great and there's cream spinach is fantastic hope they were paid overtime I hope so too because they had to deal with hazards surly people and some some people were unprepared I guess myself included you know on that point you would think UPS drivers very busy that day ah no not Thanksgiving Day but like the doctor Black Friday around that period apparently my driver they said that they bulked up and then in the last minute they cut shifts because packages were way down now my question is is that true across the board because I've noticed Amazon has ships UPS very seldom for me these days it's all USPS and their own internal courier system and I wonder if that's part why I'm curious if there's any UPS drivers out there curat are your amazon shipments down yeah I don't you guys listen to the podcast the daily oh that was horrifying they did a whole episode about the and and maybe this will talk to something in the tech discussion but profile New York Times at a profile of the companies that do fulfillment for not Amazon but for companies like shoe companies like Nike or its other other retailers who have to compete in that digital space who didn't build up from the ground up fulfillment center has an infrastructure like Amazon yet but still have to meet those kind of standards you're to date delivery and it is it is not good yes the working conditions it sounds like and those there's a fulfillment centers those logistics companies these multi-billion dollar companies so I really feel for a lot of the people who work there it's an excellent listen if you do listen to it prepare yourself to hear some horrifying things all that being said I just want to echo what norm said thanks to all the people that that put in extra hours as we again it's an unforgiving time oftentimes and it's deeply appreciated top story this week top story this week is out of this world are you ready to try this let's do it Oh move move those shoulders elbows nobody no no I apologize to all the NASA for what we just tried to attempt Jeremy and cushaw attempted the now internet famous JPL handshake that was seen on livestream for this week's successful Mars insight landing I would this is great this whole story is great it's probably the most exciting thing of the week that's why I guess it's why it's here but when you guys watch something like this and it's starting out and they haven't like entry hasn't started begun yet are you optimistic because I'm kind of like this brought me won't work oh I feel the reverse at this point NASA has demonstrated so much capability about this that like I was just thinking back to curiosity and just remembering the the confidence that they showed and I mean in in walking way did I get that there's risk inherent but NASA has instilled that confidence in me we rarely see failures anymore I think the way they presented the stream first of all the way they presented information the stream with the commentators with the camera stream is a top-notch production it makes something that is very science it something it's very abstract engaging for hundreds of thousands of people I think 500,000 people watch it on the YouTube stream and makes that fun to watch and and they're cautious right they have to hedge what they say because the as confident as they are it is still a lot of variability a lot of risk and I think as people who've watched previous launches and landings and understand the difficulty maybe even if you've watched any movie about space exploration or any documentary understand like these are everything's like a moonshot because yes you're doing incredible things that you can't that you're that you're setting up you know six months before years before in hopes that it will happen and you completely out of your control in that moment I still think it's it's nerve wracking I feel like I feel like you Jeremy I think by embracing myself for for failure yeah I'm like more than 50% sure something's gonna go wrong and when it doesn't when they actually land successfully and there's cheering i er up and I get so excited for these people that have succeeded in doing something darn near miraculous I I tear up to literally I was in a meeting and my boss like we're on like a video conference of my boss hit mute on our room and started going USA like when the what is late the announcement came look it is an amazing feat yeah to essentially send a minivan across the cosmos and land perfectly basically in a meadow on a plane in on another planet it is crazy the accuracy the precision that we saw from NASA but I've grown to expect that because that's how good they are recently we have seen some amazing things you're right and recently NASA has a great track record but on balance I think they have like 15 attempted missions to Mars and seven or eight now have been successful they're bettin let's give it up for the actual like the weird technical aspects of this like yeah it's the first time we sent cube SATs interplanetary these are you know 10 centimeter cube there are a little satellite what no no briefcase sighs well there I've seen mock-ups in person I went there like cereal box eyes briefcase ear box yeah they're very small the two Marco satellites in they're in they're probably in their compact form and then they they have a deploy a really neat it's a dish but it's flat and it that's for transmission back to earth and it was the way for us to get real-time data back about the landing but they weren't mission-critical no right no these this is a proof of concept that they set up for this type of satellite which didn't deploy from they actually traveled the whole journey independently they didn't they weren't deployed the very end to Mars orbit they deployed basically right after launch and oh they're all their own propulsion fluid well with the momentum yeah right and but themselves huh and so that's there are lots of opportunity for failure there I did read that they had little thrust yes and they were identical like they only sent two in case one failed right and they were designed by a young team at the JPL you know not like the senior guys this was just some scrap a young skunkworks team you can watch a tested video where we interview some of that team back back when they launched and if they had failed the Mars orbiter would have relayed that information slightly later yep but it was just an experiment to see can this be done and and they pulled it off not just one of them but both of them and it's so super awesome I think what's what was understated on the broadcast is a I think we all think that the landing is really hard and it totally is but one of the things I think we under count is that because Mars Mars's atmosphere is so much less thick than the earth atmosphere thinner thinner yes that's the other word for that how to slow down gets much more complicated because you have less to push against to slow you down yes and so I I think I still think that is the most amazing thing any time they land something on Mars yeah thinking how they actually slowed it down appreciably and then the landing safely because there's a million different designs they've gone through to get to this point and they still use different designs there's been like balloon designs and like a you know a crane arm design and you know there there's all these different things but without air and because like slowing down is really hard yes I'm still always made so they obviously you they have to come in at the exact right angle if it's too steep they'll burn up if it's too shallow they'll bounce off as if you're throwing a rock onto a lake so they come at just the right angle then the heat shield absorbs thousand degree temperature that's it hot to melt steel yeah and then they've kicked that off and launched a supersonic parachute you know it's super stressful is that because there's so many things have to work in concert if something goes wrong it's difficult to identify what's wrong right like when there are failures in rocket launches you know planetside here at least you can we can collect you know yeah debris and you know as a fortunate that would be but if it's on Mars that's it and there is debris on Mars there have been attempted landings by other nation and we are the only one who has successfully landed a Lander or Rover on the planet it's pretty awesome but the work is just beginning of course insight is a robot geologists it will dig into a couple feet into the surface of Mars and and detect tremors and and send back all sorts of cool and fun where they please I think five meters is yeah it can't go down a maximum of and it's got a seismometer it places down in order to measure Mars quakes but that thing is so sensitive even to wind that they place on top of it a windshield a big dome yeah it deploys and we're using the driller they can detect going down three five three meters five meters they can detect they can at least surmise the core of Mars they were saying that when they were testing that seismometer as they were making it upon one coast the United States could detect things happening on the other coast incredible yeah it's extremely sensitive and I was curious because I noticed that it landed kind of near opportunity and I was curious like is it possible like opportunity could visit you know just to get a picture hey what's up yeah exactly but it's way too far it's you know it's not it would be a huge waste of expensive for it to do that but it would also interfere with that seismometer I think what's more interesting you talk about the sensitivity of the instrument but the geologic information is going to be critical to understanding water on Mars the just the the basic history of that planet in a much more rich way so I think there's a lot that this instruments gonna garner I have one complaint of one super minor complaint to NASA you didn't get your name on it no I deserve to have my name on it no you could buy those oh that's right I forgot about that yeah no no that's not my completion say this was supposed to launch two years ago yes it was slightly delayed yeah well they had to wait for the next cycle yeah to be close to Mars again there's only a once every two year window yeah my complaint is that so there's a Twitter account for insight yeah and vice president pence congratulated NASA and whole JPL team after the landing and it like quote tweeted him back home each we he he tweeted he did it like God JPL he tweeted congrats yeah and then inside quote tweeted and said thank you for the support or something it didn't wait the proper eight minutes for that tweet transmission to get all the way to Mars I feel like they should have just instituted the right amount of time for the transmission I get that they're tweeting some space channels are open I just feel like they went about a minute too early on that yeah it's not clear to some people that NASA isn't controlling that lander during that landing phase either and it they are not it's impossible they controlled it eight minutes ago with its maneuver if they gave it instructions and it's just it's on its own for that whole process and I just find that miraculous I'm so proud of it of that team very cool all right let's move on to some pop culture news do you know that that that the the what are they called the cube BOTS tubes at CubeSat Marco that there that they communicated with the lander over UHF the harkens back to their early days of the space program that's like old school TV sing-along yeah radio signal and they couldn't slow down so like they're just like they got the signal they like sent it back to earth and Lexi yeah like off I haven't seen you this excited about something in a while I think we gotta take you to JPL I like I'm just totally geeking I've been there I was there for like the initial seven minutes of Terror reveal like when they showed that movie for the first time Adam was there he was there for the landing yeah yeah we'll talk hopefully we'll talk to him about that on podcasts use at JPL this week for the landing I said what yeah we buried him the lead I know we'll talk about it on still in tight hey tweeted you can see photos alright back to some pop culture now we've been following of course the demise of film struck which I think maybe by the time you listen this may no longer exist end of this month that's right films truck is going away very unfortunate and they had a partnership with the criterion collection which announced subsequently that they were going to start their own movie subscription service and now we finally have pricing for that but if you're interested in that criterion service they're launching what they're calling charter memberships which means you can sign up early before they launch it next year and you don't pay until they started I think but it's like the price is a hundred bucks a year as opposed to 120 a year or something save a little bit there I think if you're a movie fan and you like watching old films or you like even watching Criterion Collection films without having to purchase those those films this is something that you should consider Sam for I'm totally going to do it how are they doing all of their extra stuff there I don't think they are commentary tracks they didn't have those on film struck and so I don't know if this is a licensing thing huh but this is the thing I'm increasingly noticing as the difference between buying things a digital purchase of a movie versus the physical purchase there's gonna be some parody I think Chris McQuarrie for director of Mission Possible talked about this recently an interview how if you didn't understand why there wasn't parity but like if you buy a movie on iTunes you get a selection of special features there are a few special features there like you buy the Lord of the Rings but you're not gonna get what was included in the blu-ray and I think it's because when they made those special features the licensing for those features specifically was via that distribution network that medium and so as studios I think students are pushing people more toward digital purchases rather than physical purchases because of course there's almost the additional cost and there's DRM built-in and that's why they released some early they will start moving and getting parity but for someone like criterion I don't think the rights I don't know if they have the rights for a lot of that those special features they did Commission a lot of the the vignettes and the speech rats yeah for films truck night and they're gonna continue doing those and the commentary oh maybe not for film stock but like they did their own commentary right just for so if they have the rights then then maybe that will be there as well what we can expect is it won't be their entire criterion collection of course it'll be kind of a seasonal thing they'll cycle cycle in films in and out it was hard listening to you last week talk about like where like what services do you get right and how this fits in because this was beyond my borders of where would I mind again well i the way frame do I think was something everyone out there should think about it's less about how what's the max services that you would subscribe to because I think that's kind of a you know moving goalposts that people will just say I can put another five dollars down and I'll put another that's just another cup of coffee it's which ones would you cut first what are your three bottom services that you would cut I'm putting out there to you guys right now I mean it you aren't wrong about Amazon Prime it's the one I watched the least but it's Amazon Prime so I'm not cutting it I think the one I watched the least is Hulu ever the ones I own oh yeah I do yeah I wouldn't even I wasn't even Hulu subscriber until I had my parents come stay with us and they watch Hulu so I got it no yeah who was out the door who lose my my first to cut this overlap I mean Hulu served a purpose for what was kind of like your live TV option you know day after but now that there are live TV things with you TV or Philo whatever then you really don't need Hulu except for some Hemis Dale exactly I think that's number one to go I think any of the CBS all access all that kind of stuff is is right there with it uh and I'm not as bullish on Disney as you guys were last week mmm Jerry I feel like you might have a different opinion III I haven't heard last week's but I would imagine I differ with you on this Kishori I I'm more excited about that than anything I think that's what Garan what we're saying this was they were all in already what is what how are you not excited about this I get like all the the lines show up like we get the things from the vault you get you get the Marvel movies you get the news like man you get the original yeah I get the all the layers I don't know like I guess I am jaded like I think Netflix has jaded me about the quality of original programming that's coming out on these services it used to be a bigger deal when the originals came out because there's so few of them yeah now there's like three every time I turn on Netflix and so the hit rate is way down and so I feel like I'm in this place where prove it to me first like I want to see what the reactions are I'm not gonna be an early adopter on Disney I'm gonna wait and see if it's really that vital I've seen all those Marvel movies though and the vault I don't know how much that's gonna sway me okay man that's that's a good that's a good perspective that's good you should have that perspective everyone should know that will challenge Disney to do a good job I hope that for things like Netflix as some other show movies at least independently producer they're their Netflix original movies or hitting theaters you could just use something like a movie pass to watch those and get it there because you got the bundle in not just your TV subscription monthly recurring cost but something like a movie pass or in my case that AMC passed which I still haven't cancelled yet and they announced we can half ago that there are raising prices for how much what is it now well it's $20 a month before for three movies a week uh-huh and I knew that they wouldn't do reduction in number of movies because I think if you go from three movies a week to two movies a week one people would complain and two I don't think I really would change behavior that much okay right but you're gonna create the sense that you're taking away something yes exactly so they raise the price so they're gonna raise the price to start next year and it's different price raises for depending on where you live in some states where the service is not in high demand no price hike in 17 states or the app is most popular right Colorado Delaware Florida Georgia Illinois Maryland Minnesota Pennsylvania Virginia Washington State and DC Wow it that goes up to $22 a $2 price hike okay I am in the big states California New York New Jersey Massachusetts Connecticut $4 price hike Wow a month I why do you hate this as a good business don't you know I get why everyone is on board with dynamic pricing dynamic pricing I get at sports events some things in demand yep we raise the price to meet that demand mm-hmm I was in DC last week as I said there's a road that has dynamic pricing on it for the toll mm-hmm and so the toll went up from like a low rate of $2 or no not to it was like 4 to 1350 and then my sister said that sometimes it goes up to $50 oh my gosh $50 yeah and I think that's what you get is just more inequity for the same product and no variation in service I get why they're doing it but it's the equivalent thing the sports thing is different and there's a slippery slope because here they're talking about demand geographically base it's not even based on movies with movie pass as that subscription was waning is waning you know they were more restrictive in terms of popularity of movies and I would be furious over this if it was like for all Marvel movie you only get one per month or something you know or if it was price hike month a month it was different here it's across the board I think they're gonna reach a point where 24 dollars is a lot of money but they're also looking at these states where movie ticket prices are generally higher right it's more expensive to watch a movie in San Francisco than it is to watch a movie in Iowa and there are more these Dolby cinemas or more IMAX's and so they have to pay higher portions of these fees to the studios if it goes over 25 I'm not going to do it that's that's my stance on the matter 24 or 50 that's my limit is that what you're saying 2024 95 is my limit you get a discount on the concessions you do get a discounted concessions tempura like you know size upgrade and points but one of the reasons I haven't cancelled my subscription is because anyone who was a grandfathered member gets the original pricing for a full year let me just encourage you right now as a new father that you should just cancel because you are not getting your $25 worth any time soon yeah it was shocked to hear you hadn't cancelled yet because I know you haven't seen the movie in November I know in November is a wasted month in a December I don't know a lot of good movies coming out in December and a lot of good movies coming out in end of this month I don't want to see record brow you know what costs more than a movie ticket though a divorce no we both get together we take the baby babies nice and quiet dark dude I'm gonna set a babysitter yeah babysitter cause also customer they take the baby take the baby take the baby yeah baby don't baby waddle you take that guy I'm off this podcast I quit they can't take that baby that movie no no no will not take the baby I want to watch I think next month I'm gonna in do try to make at least some one movie and it probably will be spider-man into the spider-verse oh I think you're gonna say Aquaman I want to see that too yeah first impressions Aquaman have been pretty good so far but reviews a spider-man 30 reviews right now on Rotten Tomatoes you want to what the score is is it three digits it's yeah that's what I saw it's three digits I don't know how they get that I feel like the Trude percent they let a few people see it bound to like it and then I've seen some haters in that list of reviewers really I recognize some names it's it I mean it looks good I think slash homes that are in chief said it was his the best Marvel movie this year I was worried my Panther came out this year I'm finna t work him out this year I was worried when spider-ham came out in the trailer boiler me too but hey I'm all in on the animated train that's been a big DC Animated universe honk for a while no reason I can't be on that Marvel animal even if you didn't speak the language the visual language of this film is so unique it's like you know waking life I mean it's not that style but it's like when you saw waking life you're like that's totally different and I'm gonna watch it just for the spectacle and this has that appeal to and also the creative team behind it is a Phil Lord and Chris Miller they didn't direct it but they they I think they wrote it through graft or wrote the clover at the screenplay or something and I'm super pumped for this film so very excited for that back on Disney side have not seen wreck-it Ralph yet neither have I meet none of us guys have no excuses well I mean you know kinda I was in the mountains I made a Harry Potter choice it was the wrong choice you made a crime you committed a crime I did commit it that's a rotten tomato yeah yeah you know what that's correct but in front of wreck-it Ralph was a trailer for well something that resident I don't know if resonates with the kids these days but certainly resonates with anyone who grew up in the 80s and 90s it's the new version of The Lion King the fastest view trailer all all Disney of all time now a little controversial wait what I got more views in the first 24 hours than any Disney trailer ever has is meeting Marvel Star Wars yeah infinity war I believe so given how many times I refresh that page Wow you watched seven seconds I mean I know Lion King has a following but that's amazing I think we were curiosity it's the nostalgia of the history I think kids these days you showed your kids Lion King right of course they love like you know it has endured because of the musical you're watching the children but they didn't did not love liking I was right no I it does not resonate as well as it did when it came out is it because of it the animation style possibly it's always okay that's a little bit of 3d in it but I don't know you would hope that the story would be what mattered it's Hamlet okay like Hamlet yeah yeah kids don't like Shakespeare yeah are we gonna get some Hakuna Matata that is a real good question is it like a one-to-one kind of thing only CG it's nice thing Disney's thing in the remix on that though they have had live-action remakes a lot of their animated films rightful Cinderella The Jungle Book and this is the closest jungle book because it's Jon Favreau I believe it's the same animation company that's doing it now to call it live-action it's a photo real yeah but it's I don't think any of it is live right they don't unless they did some filming of some terrain and CG some care animals on there but are you suggesting the whole film is CG that's what I'm thinking really think no even the jungle scenes all the deserts that's really I don't know yeah I can't wait for that sin effects episode episode to come outs for me to read that but the characters are clearly CG yes and it looks good it looks really good like the CG is excellent I think you make a really good point will they have some of the more comedic elements now that you know the cast is been announced it's gonna be John Oliver as the bird oh the bird what I think I think there will be two more but I think Josh GAD is in there I want to say it maybe just in every Disney uh-huh what about a little what are they coyotes or the hyena lion is right yeah I think so I think it's gotta be a kid movies that Whoopi Goldberg no no honey is no I mean they were all famous voices no um what was our point 15% brain power loss two things one little controversial because the original creative team of the writers and the artists who worked on the animated film did not get rights to get royalties for this so they are they are completely cut off essentially and so just something you know it's it's a business thing it's it's a it's a union thing but they don't get royalties yeah on that type of format because animated films we're not treated with the same regard and so for this remake they're unfortunately not getting any of the royalties either also you guys have seen The Lion King musical right now I have negative liking musicals which Julie Taymor directed and did an incredible art direction for is most well known probably for its opening number yeah it like punches you in the face it's so without forceful costuming the music the majesty and the creativity of how they had stage performers also come these characters and for me the first time I saw it loved it loved it loved it until they got to Timon and Pumbaa it just didn't work it became Disney on Ice the moment Timon and Pumbaa came on stage and so my fear for Lion King movie for this one is that once that's moaning Pumbaa aspect comes in I don't know if that's this style CG will work well for that and Timon is Billy Eichner who is already kind of a caricature of himself and Pumbaa is Seth Rogen I think so we got we got some characters so we'll see how it works out I'm not gonna hold my breath I'm gonna I'm sceptical on Disney all things dizzy I'm not hating on it you certainly are you know what I'm not I'm like I don't know what happened I was not a huge Lion King fan like I'm it didn't hit me like it hit the rest of the world so I'm not even all that excited about it from that standpoint but it does look really good and I have kids who'd like to go to the movies so I'll probably see him alright well they don't look on in the movies you can always watch things on Netflix and maybe the kids like minecraft because there's a new Minecraft thing launching on Netflix soon thing it's why do you call it a thing because it's not it's what is it it's not a movie it's not a TV show it's an interactive piece of entertainment boy that's gonna mislead some people that's people gonna think you can play Minecraft on Netflix yeah you know it's it's a choose-your-own-adventure and I swear they should freaking license that series and turn it into an animated you know series of their own but what this is is a Minecraft cartoon it's called story mode that you watch and then at key moments you make critical decisions and you control the fate of the care actors on screen I have not watched it yet I haven't watched it either telltale actually worked on this r.i.p yeah and it do you think your kids are your kids minecraft enabled my kid isn't let's hope not what will your kid's first video game be Red Dead Redemption really good question alpha baby do you have a Mac right you have a MacBook No yeah well it's only MacBook look up alpha baby my kids love minecraft or at least have in certain phases of their life why I'm just curious like are they itch and to do this like have they heard about it on the playground kind of thing no no dude if it's not fortnight it's not cool like yeah my kid came home the other day and everyone he's super into dude perfect now that YouTube channel where they do like trick shots and I think they talk about it on during recess what minecraft no dude perfect they talk about the latest do perfect video yeah so that's why I was wondering if it's like the scuttlebutt at school I don't think so you know maybe there's some cool kids out there for whom the Netflix technology will be interesting here we doubt it um both although I'll watch this with my ear oh I think she'd be into this because we we do like the choose your own adventure books in this in life and they're doing a choose-your-own-adventure series in this style and also that black naropa so it's gonna take advantage of it sometime next next season that's interesting so we can't wait for that yeah I still stand by the black mayor decisions lock you into your choices you view it the one time and lock it into your account this is the only way you can watch the episode it's going forward I love that idea and then you'd be the most black mirror talk to your friends about what experience they had right right what if you watch on multiple devices at the same time at the same time yeah is it like the first one to choose everyone else gets blocked to that choice everyone on your family account yep yeah that's an easy to technology problem from them to solve yeah Netflix also announced a big partnership with the Roald Dahl family the state to produce new animated shows in what they're calling the Roald Dahl story universe now a lot of questions about what this means of course world all was the author of stories like The BFG and Mathilda Charlie and Chocolate Factory or Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory I think it's Charlie the original is Charlie yeah the movie is Wahine Wilders will Charlie Chocolate Factory you haven't named my favorite one yet twits James and giant changes in the Giant Peach stop-motion classic now and these will be retold in in animation for I wonder if they're gonna keep Leah Quinton Blake style illustration as the aesthetic he'll really like that probably not it's quite own things and but the insinuation is that these stories will somehow be connected because it's a story universe and that's a new hot thing right now get people to watch one show and then watch the other shows because money common type of connection because money yeah not net so your creativity speaking of stop-motion have you guys seen the Apple ad that's two or three-minute Apple ad did you watch that yeah no yeah it's it's with a woman a girl young woman sitting at her laptop and she's being creative but she's very private with all of her things and so she hides them in a box and her dog eventually releases them into the air and they blow away and mmm she's all nervous because now she's gonna be exposed and she runs out into the world and you know it's a happy ending but it's then there's apple also released a making-of video which you you really must watch because and I would recommend watching it after you've seen the ad because you'll be very surprised about what was real and what was CG in the in the ad itself which side were you more surprised by how much was real oh okay it's astounding it the amount of artistry in this ad is is really really quite impressive so go watch that this is why they were behind scenes pieces because otherwise people just assume yeah all CG all CG you asked about what from game and what would be my child's first game probably some variation of Pokemon no no that's your like going here's a head I your kid will play games this year but they will be yeah I wouldn't consider those games interactive learning tools yes right yes that's that's when you make sure digital make sure in the Triangle you tell they've read this is not a games not a game you're learning take that smile off your face I gotta say increase that IQ peeing on your parent while they're changing your diaper also a game yeah yeah there was a winner there was a loser and there are trick shots very good what's the story about a world of warcraft' pokemons well it's just a rumor have you played Pokemon go before I know of it my 11 year old got back into it this trip which is a perfect opportunity to do it cuz he was away from fortnight and had a mobile device so really since they opened since they added raids he hasn't played at all but now they have essentially like you know you can go on raids to actual locations in the real world with other Pokemon go players and fight the big pokemons together well playing that got me kind of playing that with him over this past break got me a little bit you know a little more excited about Pokemon go and then then I got excited about this this news because Kotaku is reporting that Blizzard has in development a World of Warcraft version of Pokemon go bill come on yeah sure they'll be more likes and who knows like they it is supposed to be much more complicated it's not as basic as Pokemon go what are you two walking around doing basically we were in Azeroth all along yeah I mean that's I as someone who was hooked on the world of warcraft for a small period but deeply memorable of my life what are your hopes you know just that they can take Pokemon go a little bit further I want to go on quests I want that I want the the quest master at my library to send me on a quest to the canyon in San Francisco in order to like get a bunch of wolves and then I bring the wolf pelts back to the library sorry honey I gotta go on a quest dude you picking up some groceries no I'm collecting wolf pelts that would be a real good belt no I'm I'm mining wood in the forest yeah you guys don't don't get that at all that would be fun for me I get it what's the over-under and how many minutes before somebody Leroy Jenkins themselves yeah right in the graphic 30 I think 30 yeah you know um upgrades what-have-you Niantic isn't associated with us and loot you like fine I don't know maybe go on raids me you got it for people to like get together in the real world and go on a raid but what makes this Wow essential what why does this need to be Warcraft brandy why can't this you could be in any IP what can't be done to dragon totally do this could be D&D it would be the fact that its World of Warcraft is like you know getting a fortnight license I mean it's huge it's just a massive hook to get people interested from this start here's a question how does Pokemon go which Niantic the first had their other kind of Arg that seeded info from users and also from Maps data how would as Pope and go tier for experience from country a country when the datasets are different and the geography in the city designs I played I played internationally there it they're pretty solid datasets any it's just population-based timming Lee so I've played in rural parts of this country I've played overseas it's fine you see you play the diantha their first game I play ingress ingress Yeah right right oh god the shame they still a yeah from the wave of game the way that Wow okay it's fun I like the aesthetic of that game it's very Tron it is and they released an update to it the first time in I think about six years two weeks ago well and it is awful well the problem says the data set is also shared because they said is the real world so when you talk about multiple games using the same data sets or even just the same geography if people are all running to the top of Twin Peaks ones collecting Pokemon ones on an ingress mission someone else is hunting Morlocks that's not gonna be as fun it's fine it's really the people that are way too serious and double-park their cars to do it that's their they're the problem run through Central Park that's the problem but I think you lack imagination if you think it's not fun to have all of the and their wires a lot of imagination you're right because there's not a lot of game to it you're right that's what everything like what if what if Blizzard can pull that off I want to tell you about something I thought I was this shopping plaza on sloped boulevard norm knows which one I'm talking about yep and these four teenage kids walk outside of a restaurant and they approach a stack of real pallets and they start mimicking the fortnight chopping action no pickaxe in their hand they are just fake chopping pallets in the real world no devices in their hands and they are there for at least three and a half to five minutes why are they doing that because I don't know but I felt a graphic to the role they're so good hey this is ultra-high resolution oh my goodness the HDR on this sunset tonight it made me feel very sad I had a good time asking all of the young people on my Thanksgiving trip how many for tonight dances they know oh boy and they all have a number like I know I know one I know them and I always say you know the main one and they all say floss like yep that's the one no no all these kids know these dance my kid again not there yet maybe maybe five years down the line you don't need to be here this is not a happy place for that we're at doing all this it was it I think Craig Miller said the best thing to do at Thanksgiving you have other kids in the room with your kids in the room it's like and some random Bowman's going oh is this fortnight and have them explain for me to you my experience kids love explaining for exactly exactly it's the story time this is the thing they really care about now in Thanksgiving if you were saying saying hey this is this a Red Dead game which people did say is that Western game oh I can tell you stories and read dad maybe the next game I'll be playing because the Red Dead online just went into beta this week yeah is it fully open now I think by the time you listen to this anyone who has purchased the game and played the game can jump into the beta Rockstar was very secretive about what the beta went entail and now we're finally getting details as people we're playing through it and it turns out it's almost like just a co-op version of the single-player game with new missions strangers you they're up to 32 players on a map on the server and you can group up with eight people or seven other people let's have a posse of eight people and ride horses together and complete missions you could do that in the first one I don't remember being at an add-on I remember just being part of the game online yeah well maybe this was I mean this is an add-on in the sense that it's it's not like an extra room no I download it's just they released later yeah yeah then can you actually play the single-player game now co-op you cannot okay and that's because the single-player game is so story driven so singer singular character driven yeah with the voice acting but that is its own experience and I will say as someone who's put in 80 plus hours and to read dad to the main story is amazing but once you finish chapter 6 which is the end of the main story you can stop there you don't need to go into that blogs Padma yeah so we alluded to the Black Friday purchases earlier but who actually heard what did you guys buy oh so many things more whoo I got the deals coming out of me every which way let me tell you I got a lotion for that socks I got two belts I got for yourself yeah I bought the most mundane things in the world there is not many great deals the thing that I've been most excited about is I finally bought a fire - fire cube and I just I really enjoyed the voice integration with its ability to turn on and off the TV and just go right to the media I want tell the Apple users what the fire Cubism it's a device that Amazon makes to spy on you in your living room which one it is the cube that is essentially the direct replacement for sort of the set-top Roku or the set-top Apple TV via HDMI standards it can communicate with a TV or a sound bar and so it basically has replaced my Harmony remote and all the macros I have associated - can it hear you over top of the TV well enough yeah seems to hear me fine and I love being able to fast forward by it by voice X number of minutes that's interesting yeah the problem is the problem with fire cube is the cold war with Google that has been going on for you know years now it feels like yeah because they have added YouTube back into it but it's YouTube via browser so voice controls don't work and so as soon as that drops so the whole Google ecosystem becomes available and becomes available with voice I think you really have something because I got to say the Google home integration with the YouTube TV was great being able to fast forward like two minutes via voice was through commercials was was pretty fantastic didn't google recently allow YouTube on the echo show yeah but only via browser so you don't have voice control over it got it I think there is more work to be done because there only certain apps that have the voice enabled control so like Netflix has it but something like Plex doesn't so I can't look at my own library that I have on an ass that way but all that being said I'm really happy with it and paying like 50 bucks for it was kind of a steal that's basically what like a high-end Roku cos well done man I got nothing I got nothing oh yeah yeah I got baby stuff hey garbage diaper but for like $3 off though right not even guess what baby stuff never goes on sale sure subscribe and see ya yes yes that's that's basically it yeah there was nothing was that attractive this year for me I know TVs obviously like the big things I bought a TV last year yes good you're good on for a while yeah the only things I really got is it's my kids birthday he doesn't listen the podcast but I got him a switch he saved up money for it you were saying this out loud yeah he doesn't listen to this and I got some Nintendo games for some dollars off which is like a rarity yeah I did I'm sorry I did buy psvr for for friends and family so there was a good deal on psvr from $250 with the motion controls and that's there is there are some decent deals on some VR stuff but did you hear what happened with the oculus codes by the way so everyone has who has an oculus account has the ability to share three codes okay with whoever they like and they but you when you share it you have to choose the product is it gonna be a rift an oculus go 32 gig or 64 gig three different SKUs right and then you've given an email address and they get a code for that SKU four percentage off this yeah it's 10 or 20% based on how expensive the thing is well apparently like this worked for any oculus account so it didn't have to be one that you use so people were opening up just new oculus accounts and thinning Coco it's four percentage off yeah and of course the owner of the code gets store credit so it's like you know you people were doing this to self-service and didn't oculus shut it all down oh no yeah now I I didn't know that that was a thing I just sent one code to my cousin by the way I brought the oculus go to the this hotel I mentioned to my family reunion it knocked a bunch people out like the actors go is still impressive to people who've never done VR but what were the things they liked the most I only showed them what's the rollercoaster minecart thing yeah shooting things yeah it's it's it's talking about do you know can I just tell you my mom is number five in the world of that game coaster combat what's number five in the world on the worldwide charts and is your mom and expert video games for the ballet instructor go figure anyway that was too bad because they shut the whole holding down you can no longer share codes at least last I checked Wow yeah that's too bad yeah just a lot of sharing of a headset did you wipe down the lenses you wipe down the lenses in like Jerry Seinfeld it's a lot of sharing you know II did some tests on those those lenses you might find some surprising amount of maybe human matter on on the lens that you're pressing against your eyes which is what happened on the touchscreens at McDonald's in the UK study was done to check the the bacterial content on McDonald's such screens would they find a lot of fecal matter I want to come out here and just sort of interrupt this story and say this is not a big deal at all your your phone is probably the dirtiest thing in terms of fecal matter that is on your body next to like the actual rectum like it has a ton of fecal matter I'm touching a lot of but these days yours especially so norm probably has some extra stuff on it I will say I mean Adam did this they did all couple mythbuster shows on this and it didn't matter whether you took it into the bathroom or not it just builds up that stuff from the air over the course of the day and of course a restaurant that has bathrooms in it is going to get a bunch of fecal matter and always must wash their hands yeah but the custody doesn't say that for the customers does it I think the the scare isn't that it's fecal matter because I think you're right anyone who whose watch that Mythbusters episode knows that it's everywhere and maybe in more places than you think that's out your bathroom but we're talking about a user experience flow where you are there touching that screen specifically because next thing you're likely going to touch is either your credit card cash or the food you will eat and I don't think a lot of people go order their fries and then go wash their hands or use Purell before eating set fries guess what the next dirtiest thing besides a phone is that you have on you romaine lettuce well not anymore that recalls on you that you have on you credit card your money yeah money so like the so like this is a this exists now you are you using the credit card machine at these places yeah guess what those finger pads are also covered in fecal matter never cleaned probably no no you should see my daughter's iPad screen it's probably like puts these makes these screens look pristine Clorox wipes everywhere how am I gonna use Clorox wipes use this is Purell this is normal to have fecal fecal matter isn't a bad thing unto itself I just said that out loud great there's it still think it's good practice carry around some some antibacterial for you it is yes it the current state you are in your life norms gonna be the guy in line and McDonald's who cleans the screen before he uses it no no no I'm clean my hands after I use it clean the screen I don't want to clean this help people out that's McDonald's job they're taking away jobs are using these machines bTW true so speaking of touchscreens the interesting article I found online this week from Inc and switch comm but it was analysis about latency on screens this guy wrote a pretty deep dive analysis of why it feels like touch screens have latency and what is the perceptible amount of latency a measurable receptive amount for most people which I think I disagree with like he says I think that for about 80 milliseconds it's considered anything above that's considered slow anything within that 20 millisecond drain just consider responsive I think it's a sliding scale for some people who use touchscreens a lot or other variables like the refresh rate of the screen you're using or the type of interface touching hold or using some that the animation is there an animation I think all those build into the perceptibility of latency what's really cool cos there's high resolution high speed footage of touchscreens at high frame rate and using styluses on windows devices and Apple devices and you know he has the iPad pro using specific apps like the Notes app the built-in Apple app has having the lowest latency of 20 milliseconds for any style of space touchscreen and then something like the Samsung Galaxy s3 and older older device using a clunkier app even like canvas wept to 75 milliseconds of latency which is why it just feels you think it's 75 that makes a difference for like a you and I because I get the this latency makes a difference for like the artists a lot like the high end users but if you're using a stylus just sort of casually you said you and I like user interface that's good I think I think it does matter I think we expect a certain amount of responsiveness and I think we've had this with keyboards and mice four generations of computing before touch screens and that's why for mice you download this program to increase the polling rate so refresh faster and feel smoother and and some for some people even the digital keyboards they have today are not as responsive they feel like as some of the analog ones ahead I think the threshold for where it bothers you has to do with what you've experienced up until that point it's relative you know I don't think a lot of people who have been Android forever care so much about the latency that they experience on there because they don't notice it but if you're on an iPad pro with 120 Hertz yeah and then you back yeah and it's different it's sort of like when we were planned quake over dial-up you know we had totally a quarter second latency and in a lot of the point this article makes is that at some point we reach a limit like it will not get faster than 20 milliseconds just be is there are layers of software and you low level software that needs to run for to process the signals and you're gonna get noise and you're gonna have to process signals and so combined you're gonna get you know 20 to 40 SEC milliseconds which is good enough and that's just where we have to live with for the foreseeable future unless you're using paper the ultimate low latency yeah that's right infinite framerate yes yeah what is the frame rate in for your life that's a philosophical question all right moving on Oh a couple of machine learning stories this week this one a little more cynical NBCUniversal is gonna start using a corner to add week machine learning for advertisements on its programming what do you mean so this solves the the theoretical would solved a hulu problem you know the hulu problem of watching binge watching a TV show and getting the same ad every ad break yeah because these don't have the inventory or they don't have the salt for the backend to serve up different ads I don't know what it is but NBC Universal is gonna run their content through machine learning algorithms to identify products in the shows and then theoretically run products or products in those categories as the ads following those segments so it makes no sense at all this is reverse product placement they're pulling the ads out of the show and translating them into real that real ads makes no sense right now it makes sense in a sitcom setting like if you're watching baeble yuri and they're like eating cornflakes now you get a corn flakes ad why but why am i any more likely to like cornflakes if because it was in the show because you just it doesn't matter if you like you they ads supposed to make you like it the it being in the show is a prime your brain to receptive the idea of seeing something cornflakes right and in fact that it's in the show is supposed to be a subliminal thing that it affects my interest and guess what that's because I like this show machine learning will decode that subliminal message yeah and make it more visible I'm like do you think YouTube TV already does this because it plays ads on content and it knows a lot about me but that's about you and that may be even a better so there's an argument about what is the more effective marketing tool is it about catering to the users history and what they want may purchase a need at the moment yes or is it about in the moment of watching a block of content and television what their brain is primed to discover and you know like because you could argue it for sports Wow the machine learning says that you're watching a TV show nature documentary in in the Sahara Desert and in the jungle and it knows through the machine learning that it's folks feelings of warmth and hotness well let's run a Coors beer ad right after the segment to make you feel like you want refreshment or you know a soda ad or something no this is the first no yeah first one yeah yeah you rather have you know your search history give me the advertising that is the good thing give me the advertising that knows enough about me to know what I need and help me out I finds the problem with those type of ads where if based on your searches through your browsing history cookie stuff is that they have no idea what my intent is when I originally browse or search that because we're interacting with a stupid version of those ads right now that is just based on our history and is less predictive about our future no context sensitivity but Google knows enough information to do something better it knows that I sat in traffic for X amount of time but these knows in like it knows that I go to X grocery store now to buy stuff it knows like knowing where you go is a powerful information about telling me what I want it knows your friends and their birthdays the clearest example for me of a failure is when I have you bought something for Jeremy his birthday's coming when I a base search for a product ranked Amazon starts eBay search whatever retail search to find a lowest price and I do it a couple times or have a save eBay search or something and then it thinks oh I must be normal to be interested in this I'm gonna show Coogler is gonna show me a ton of ads based on this product but guess what I've already bought it yeah I bought it and these ads are wasted on me and they're annoying now because it doesn't know that I've already it met that criteria yeah and then it's wasted ad dollars early days oh yeah it's scary when it gets too when it gets the good days yeah then we'll be longing for the early days Minority Report yeah speaking more machine learning and AI learning algorithms Amazon has released a or announced and available for pre-sale a physical product an RC car except what's controlling it is a deep learning algorithm called deep racer wait can I buy this you can pre-order at 250 bucks right now what yes what does it do well it uses reinforcement learning a type of machine learning so does trial and error and it can have it learn how to successfully go around racetracks it's supposed to and I guess the idea is to teach programmers the physical benefits of implementing machine learning tangible benefits in the real world yeah there's a Atom processor onboard camera Wi-Fi and I gotta open Intel computer vision toolkit so there's some level of programming that allows me to compete with other people who buy the car is that the idea yes yeah like if I'm a more clever John Carmack I can make it that I can win the race I don't know about winning the race I think it's more proof of concept for like here you can now try these variables to experiment and see how fast these algorithms iterate yeah and what type of thing input you can you can put in it says I can compete in the world's first global autonomous racing league yeah to race for prizes and glory glory or like a $1 future credit as a digital reward for your no rest shipping we got to watch this this will be alpha go for 2019 come on KITT let's well test it by one of these tested by one of these if we can actually program it yeah let's probably get it to work let's do I'll do it then that will pull it does seem cool yeah go into YouTube and Google a couple changes in that ecosystem Google first of all their YouTube original programming slate will be it seems to be fading or at least next year of shift away from the paywall business model we're talking about shows like Cobra Kai h7 yeah that's one that won't like they've already said that one in particular did so well yes exactly yeah probably it's unfortunate I don't know what did it do well or do well compared to the other shows I don't know yeah I mean this makes sense I mean I because I have YouTube TV I've had access to the YouTube read original content and I'm gonna say most of it that hasn't wowed me it's hard to compete with Netflix originals which is much more situated for for that kind of viewing for me I still I mean I still mostly use YouTube for the YouTube die deep dives like the YouTube rabbit holes I'm currently on like a tool restoration rabbit hole heck yeah that is so satisfying and it seems like they're just pivoting back to more that free content I don't know if that means they're moving away from higher production which is what I keep seeing in the video the channels I go back to or they're finding that users who watch that type of programming will bear more ads more address as many outbreaks as watching a show on television well on the other side Google has now rebranded project Phi no longer a project it is now Google Phi and open to iOS users iPhone users can now get their cellular data and calling service from Google and I believe Samsung like any non Android or non Google Android device so project fine now Google Phi quick recap what what yeah what is it it's basically $20 a month just to have service that gives you like calling text and then you get charged by the data you use so it's 10 dollars per gigabyte up to 6 gigabytes and then that's capped so the max you'll pay for an individual line is $80 if you use 6 gives data or above hmm but you if you aren't a heavy data user it has an opportunity to save you money this is based off an infrastructure that uses t-mobile and Sprint data lines so I would underscore having two services especially if you live in urban settings can be good but t-mobile and Sprint coverage in rural locations in this country is somewhat more limited like 18t and verizon so you have to make the individual choice based on that carrier they're usually not very upfront about disclosing that that they use t-mobile and Sprint lines you are yeah but but I think that's sort of important to know if you travel internationally you get locked in at the same rate so you're usually you're like your data rate when you go internationally it's still 10 dollars a gig which is awesome for any international users I love it because I use pretty consistently about three gigs of data a mom and so I come out to about 50 dollars yes and then the months where I don't use a lot of David data I'm saving money your wife's not on it my wife isn't on it she has an iPhone so she hasn't been able to been on at beyond it so but she has sprint so it makes no difference to our service wise so we might port over to a family plan isn't there a family plan that's a better rate it's it's a minor savings so yes there is a family all right no the question is as Sprint and t-mobile and other networks moved to 5g does Project Phi also get the best quality of service from these piggyback service riders or no well they prioritize their dedicated subscribers I saw a 5g test car Wow parked in Noe Valley and it looked like the most pirate radio thing you've ever seen like it didn't look like it was it rolled out of some computer lab it looked like it rolled out of a dorm room all of this car was covered in antennas and inside it was just packed with routers and specialized equipment I don't know what it was so I walked up and asked the guy and he said we're scoping the 5g signal did it this is co energy Sigma n E particular company they contract for all of them oh just to see what the you know to test the the actual connection I want see a picture of this car did you see a picture no I was there it was cool though I would say just wrapping up Google Phi I think it's an awesome service the Google support around it is is really good so I've really enjoyed being on there but it's not for everyone like norm should not get this plant I use way more data and they slow you down after 15 gigs even though you're only paying the six gigs uh yeah I know they also tapped my Wi-Fi network so it seamlessly just piggyback some Wi-Fi to try to alleviate it's not as seamless as they say yeah yeah it's my fear yeah speaking of cars Jeremy with a little bit but a bit of car news to talk about the big technology news want to include cars and tech this week is GM's unfortunate shuttering or planned shuttering of three manufacturing plants on United States on allocating on that's hair horrifying yeah affecting tens of thousands of jobs huge portion of the workforce and also ceasing production essentially some orders on the Chevy Volt with a V the V yeah it's that our friend Zac ratting has a volt yeah in fact that's how we met because I was curious about it and he reached out and he loves his car I don't know what volt owner who doesn't welcome the vault will still work right it's not like Tesla sitting down but it's it's an interesting solution like it's you know a certain amount of charge and once you expend that battery charge it switches to the internal combustion engine it's a hybrid it's not it's like a it's what I think it's the different a hybrid would use both simultaneously whereas this is like well it's the modern hybrid because like you're gonna B's a plug-in it's a plug-in I don't know there isn't there's a name people screaming at night plenty of cars right now with a small battery that will do 2030 miles of range good enough for your daily commute the the major the sad news here is that potentially more than 10,000 people will lose their jobs but there's this is also this this car and others are in probably you know short lifespans now they are not planning to cancel the bolt with a B they're still betting the farm on that in terms of the future of the company and obviously it plays a role in their ride-sharing and autonomous car yeah they spot this whole announcement as looking toward the future which they said is toward EVs and autonomous vehicles yeah and GM really hasn't had a big autonomous vehicle play you know I don't see the concept cars you see you see cosmic cars from Audi from from even chrysler where they have autonomous designs were you know passengers are facing each other you know the drivers and the passenger seats are pointed inward as opposed to facing outward I don't see any of that stuff with GM maybe it's a CES thing that Cruze automation uses the bolt at least here in the city for their autonomous vehicles way mo which is Google's autonomous car division did they spin-off I was curious about that I thought they did spin off their spun off an alphabet you know there are several company inside alphabet now gotcha it's not independent got it right they are resuming their autonomous car driving no no they're resuming putting drivers back in like they were the one autonomous car company that got approval to have to be driverless he's an Arizona right in Phoenix yeah but also in the in the Silicon Valley oh and now for some reason they have put the safety driver back behind the wheel now earlier this year they had an accident where one of their safety drivers dozed off I don't know what what like how does that happen I get I get that there's nothing to do but you are still behind the wheel and you got one job right like I don't understand the dosing it's probably a pretty boring job and when when when the safer driver dozed off safety drivers foot hit the gasoline panel or the brake deactivating the autopilot and you know bumped into a barrier everything I think everybody's fine but I think that might have led to this putting safety driver back in anyway I find great safety first that said I want to get the safe autonomous future as soon as possible yeah you know going back to the GM factory shuttering yeah there was some speculation online of like what would happen to these factories in these spaces and a bunch of people put forward well this seems to be a great opportunity for Tesla to come in and buy the factory as they did with the new be plan in in Fremont where the model threes are being made and it's unfortunately not as simple as that there was a perfect fit it turned out when the Fremont fat factory was shuttered that was I think a GM and Toyota collaboration and these three plans are all I think there are union based plans I don't know if Tesla wants to move into that space and they don't know if they there if they can work with the equipment there because Tesla is you know but they want a lot of robotics in their plants also they have the big factory in China they're spinning up but it is true that you know if they can get the real estate cheap it's real estate the land we have owned these factories is a big part of the cost it would be cool for an electric car company Tesla or otherwise any other one so move in take over the factory space and rehire the workers yes speak of Elon oh if he's around anymore yeah we gotta music you and so we enter Elon shower question is Elon shower on earth or is it on Mars and what is it like to shower on Mars it's a little different it's a little slower yeah did Mark Watney tick showers don't worry little bit much right sonic shower sonic shower that's right anyone with full Star Trek on by the way just watch that movie again as it holds up damn does it hold up yeah it's like even better yeah because the world's a little darker now and that's a very positive movie it also it just looks fantastic not on like a big screen a good screen yeah I love 4k HDR yeah it's awesome you heard it here first we recommend the Martian you might have actually we go way back so yeah I guess HBO do you know what this series is it's um called what is this series be Axio serious yeah ax is that just what is that about Axios is kind of like an inside-the-beltway vais type of news organization and they have a show on HBO where they've mostly been interviewing like politician types in the lead-up to the midterms but Elon went on there if you've watched like Vice on HBO and it's like a similar kind of feel to it but a little more do they do their finale driven do they focus on one interview every it's a it's a usually a couple okay well Ellen was interviewed on this show on HBO and there's a clip or at least one clip available online and gadget did a little write-up on it and pulled out the most interesting quote which is Elon Musk says there's a 70% chance it would go to Mars that's the number he's pulling on his ass mm-hmm based on the facts there's poop articles on this story based on where it came from he says that there are some recent developments that make him very excited it just means 70 percents means more likely than not yeah by the way there's a quote that's what do you want to get across it he's not a that is there's you can't do it arrived that number look the fact is there's a guy who has his own space company who has plans to go to Mars and like and he is planning to go there one day he wants to come back to you know he this like the closest we've ever gotten to somebody maybe going to Mars I think he would only care if he was the first I don't he did make an analogy the shackleton going to the South Pole and I think he made that analogy to underscore how danger it is because if you study Shackleton's journey it is really messed up you have to set you have to set that up because the interviewers kind of one of the guys kind of made a fool of himself when he asked him how likely was he to go 70% and the interviewer said so this is kind of an escape hatch for rich people parachuted for rich people he call an escape hatch because Elon had said it would probably cost a couple hundred thousand dollars and so the response was oh poor analogy from enormous space this is an escape hatch for rich people you don't want to open hatches in space to which Elon Musk responded no are you freaking crazy yeah like there's a there's a good chance you'll die on the way once you get there if you survive the landing you're spending your rest of your life building a base in an inhospitable environment maybe you can get home so this is the part that I think is just totally crazy this isn't the 60s or 70s we're not in the midst of the Cold War I think the the public's appetite to have someone perish and rout is so low now compared to dead that we can't run expeditiously ask I think people would be happy either way I did I just think like wait what do you mean by that I think we just watch first man and where you watch the Apollo 1 disaster and you watch you you see everything they went through where things are feel like they're held together by duct tape but we had to beat the Russians and so there was this driving force we don't have that today the appetizer are the wrong word the tolerance right the tolerance for failure yeah much lower these days because of the car now like any minor failure and we've seen this with oh you know what happened with a recent Soyuz launch means like nearly shutting down the program now here's that here's a sad thing is the question tolerance for failure because of the monetary costs and the equipment cost of going a second time in relaunching or is actually human lives because I would make their case that you know it's unfortunately in today's day and age people are doing more of the accounting losses than the the human life consideration I mean unfortunately it's you're right but also I think there's a media component to this because we're gonna watch this what however a human goes to Mars we're gonna watch most of it and that wasn't the case back forty years ago and I don't think we want to see a human it like streamed exclusively to your Tesla I don't know man I don't know why do people go to race kart races like that's and that's pretty dark but this is so much bigger the scale of somebody going to Mars and tuning into that knowing the dangers exist and you know that they would hype up the danger factor I think people would feels wrong I think people would just have that on just like we dedicate a TV to it I'm I'm I'm not arguing with you on the merits of that but it feels wrong that's not how we shouldn't be watching that as a reality TV show so here's here's the question is you know Elon Musk whether it's himself or someone if it is himself and somebody he's considering which based on this interview seems to be the case he is totally putting himself out there as a potential you know either first passenger or one of the people to go what other astronauts think about this do they think he is someone with the the fortitude and the discipline to carry out a mission like this let alone the deserving aspect because you know there's he paid for it whatever or it's his company but could someone like Elon Musk make it I'd maybe I mean he is an engineering he might be a useful person there but I just can't get images of Weyland Corp out of my mind well the when he talks about it this way yeah I don't know I mean I'd be curious what astronaut to think to but I think that they have that they've traditionally had a very different job which was to explore in return mm-hmm there's no way we're sending a one-way mission there's no way we what do you mean we as a human race are not going to have a one-way mission to Mars I know I just do not see where that's going to be okay I think there are some people out there astronauts included who would maybe not publicly say it but privately you know in a heartbeat sign on for a one-way mission to universe there's no way we'll okay that way yes because there this is not there's not enough money in the private sector for this to be funded independent of a government expenditure and there's just no way where I've heard NASA administrators say there's no way we're doing a one-way mission to Mars it's just not gonna happen yeah well I mean I can see how NASA wouldn't want to do that but I could see how private space company like this could it could make it happen but it this isn't a fully private thing they're using public resources to get there how so the SpaceX is main resource cream is very NASA yes and there's no way they're gonna launch an independent expenditure them to Mars they don't have the money for it yet yeah I mean like SpaceX is also privately for hire for a trip around the moon right if you for you and seven if in one way artists no it's not no but I'm saying they have other revenue streams get up there I still I don't think the math works all right I'm gonna stop being so indignant wait you want to go no I don't no way you know what I go there is there is no calculation that I should be in the top half of candidates on this planet to go to Mars the person that got the people that go to Mars should represent the best of us I still believe in that ideal like Cirque du Soleil sure you don't think he lands like that one of the best of us is just in terms of dreaming up big ideas and engineering and being you know I mean he's done so much professionally compared to everyone else he's also demonstrated human failings sure yeah well damn him well his boring company has pulled out making a tunnel in LA's westside I guess that was one of the places that they were going to actually provide the public service of boring a tunnel to help people get from one place to another place faster and with two to three miles of underground exactly apparently one of the are some of the people who lived above the tunnel proposed tunnel objected to the tunnel beneath them sounds like standard NIMBYism or what do you call it when it's a tunnel timbi ism yeah not I guess to be expected but that so they said never mind we're not gonna do it it's it be Humber ISM tunnel under my backyard yeah nice and that will do it for technology news I also want to thank the other sponsor that makes this episode possible and that is casita by Lutron smart lighting control brought to you by Lutron pioneers in smart home technology with casa de you can schedule your lights to come on at dusk so your family comes back to a well-lit home casita by Lutron takes your smart speaker whether that's an Alexa will go home Apple home pod and makes it more powerful by letting you control your lights with your voice because seda is the most connected smart lighting brand and it works with more smart home devices than any other smart lighting brand letting you pair lights with other things like security devices 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pass my body for seven years like that's the the urban legend nickel is as big as I ever went but it is definitely I've definitely swallowed a coin in my life and you got it back I I mean I saw it clink you did but I did not retrieve it yes how long did it take it took about four days my Greek all holy cow and the reason we know that is because some brave souls in the 1970s volunteered for a series of studies that would determine when coins were swallowed by children what was the average time for them to pass and did they usually pass with any changes to the coin itself and they typically found that coins passed three to six days because you know kids like to swallow stuff case-in-point crazy but there are other things in our life that kids have that are small items that tend to get swallowed and this week a new study emerged about one of those items Legos I can imagine that and so for the first time any study was done on how long it takes for people to pass Legos and they finally go pieces LEGO pieces yes I mean and it wasn't defined examine it was in the study they talk about which pieces but they didn't I don't think they ate any minifigs and like any specialized like you know one time pieces these weren't from ucs kits let's like I would think that the yeah that's the concern we have right how dare you waste a UCS limited kit that's worth on than fibers a lot of money it could appreciate it I would think that if you're gonna smell a Lego piece that you want to pass quickly it would be a minifig head yes smooth cylindrical yeah yeah small sample size stud down oh of course there was one person in the study who did not retrieve his Lego piece oh boy too bad for him but it typically took about two days on average for LEGO pieces to pass these were adults who did that yeah but they were studying in the interests of pediatric care so physiologically infants babies the digestive system isn't dramatically different in terms of time scale so plus or minus a day depending on what I mean there's so many factors here let's talk about all the factors that go into poop norm this is the poo per minute the factor of this episode is the chart has to be the highest ever it's off the charts we're we are moving away from that because now it's time to talk about some serious studies I think most people have probably heard about the story about CRISPR editing in to babies that happen in China it actually dropped the news drop the same day as insight so it might have gotten the sort of buried underneath that but this was a big deal a scientist in China he actually studied here in the US he was a postdoc at Stanford his lab conducted gene editing of two embryos via an IVF type of artificial insemination and edited a specific gene and I'm gonna go into the scientific details in a second to make it more HIV resistant and these babies were born and are alive and he has confirmed since then that there is a second pregnancy underway where this edit has happened weren't the parents somehow yeah I'm gonna get into the parents on a second I think there's some critical details one no paper has been published about this he released the information in the way all great scientists do on YouTube and so it's not even in a preprint right now so no one knows what's going on he's been interviewed at a gene editing forum in Hong Kong which was less than satisfying so the parents he enrolled six sets of hair where the father was hiv-positive and the mother was not and the idea here is there's a specific gene called a ccr5 gene that has a mutation on it that tends to protect against HIV entry into the cell now for whatever reason there is some geneticists out there probably know the reason this mutation is not common in China and so the idea of this study was about sort of exploring that and so he developed in CRISPR a guide RNA to sort of guide it to its target that would replace his it was tested in mouse models and in a monkey model and then took that monkey ma they saw no off target editing meaning like they didn't cut where they didn't want to and then but they used like a sort you have to use a reference to determine if there's any off target and he used a reference from this company Illumina which is not according to most CRISPR experts the right resource guide the reference guide he should have used anyways he takes the monkey the the product the guide RNA developed in the monkey model and doesn't a human being doesn't an embryo that born into human this is so wildly unethical I I don't even know where to begin like we knew this was coming and I haven't been this mad about a story in a long time this is so insanely wrong what happened this is just like a violation of humanity on some level because what he did is without understanding the potential side effects of of what an off target edit could be he's produced people now that have to live with that and and long term not just this generation and not this dis generation that could be heritable what's gonna pass he instead of doing it and what you know what typically the edits that we want to do are in cells that won't pass so if I like edit you know a skin cell in you Jeremy that's not gonna path to your children now because that's not a cell line that passes down he did it in a passes down he's now going to affect these girls babies as well and that that edit without understanding the impacts of the off target is so wildly ahead of what we should be doing it is it is sickening you said like honestly it was sickening this has happened despite any approval he had of the parents that consent doesn't matter because the the can the children can't consent to this and then moreover his university has decried it every scientist has come out against this and said that this is wrong I think there's even been indications that the Chinese government has doesn't care for this culturally they have a very different scenario about editing and their tolerance for for it is really different than the then here in the US but that doesn't matter this is just unethical from a scientific standpoint I do want to call out the fact that we just don't know if this even worked like at this point people are even questioning whether this edit happened because he hasn't provided any data to back up that this edit has occurred and the fact that it's part of a second pregnancy already is is about as horrifying of a thing as I I've heard in a while again one thing I want to specifically call out and it feeds into our next story is you think a cell in your body and the next cell over have the same DNA because it's you right wouldn't have the same DNA yeah there's a lot of conditions that we have within us a lot of cell types on our body where that's just not true there's a thing called mosaicism where there's going to be different DNA and different cells just based on like errors during division processes the way heritability works and that's especially true in neurons and it could be true here so we have no idea the accuracy of these targets and to conduct this kind of edit without understanding the context of where it occurs is is just horrifying I don't know how else to say it I mean so much I mean this is gonna be a slippery slope is this is not the first and only time I think this is gonna happen no there's something and I mean is it in the way that best cuz I remember growing up there was a lot of hubbub when like the first sheep was cloned that reproductive cloning became a big topic and controversy and that never escalated to a point where it happens regularly and laws were passed preventing the research into those spaces of practice sure but that was also done in an animal and I get that there's people that probably had strong feelings about that too appropriately so but it didn't cross that line where we did human cloning without the the context of societal approval first the other thing is he did this in the context of HIV and this is later he hid behind this as his visit well attempt this is a slap in the face to that we don't do medicine this way where there are other treatment and regimens in place first of all the babies have no they have a much lower risk of getting HIV anyways during this method because the cell lines are washed the likelihood they're going to get HIV was basically zero and then he his argument is that them now they're less likely to get HIV in their life that is ridiculous preventive care to do this that is totally inappropriate and and and so I think it's a slap in the face to to the medical community and certainly to the HIV community this story will be interesting to follow because it'll also emerge like who is where people fall in this but as it stands the entire scientific community I've seen has come wildly down against this this move but how do you feel about it our last story picks up on that mosaicism idea because there's a really interesting story that dropped right before Thanksgiving so I was mentioning how our different cell types don't necessarily have the same DNA in them and that's really true of neurons there is a gene that is in our neurons called a PP it's called it's an amyloid precursor protein gene and this gene has been associated significantly with Alzheimer's basically this gene can can produce this amyloid and that forms into plaques which leads to Alzheimer's conditions mm-hmm what they FET what they always expected is that there's mutations on these jeans like variants that emerge in that gene that leads to more of this a like more of this formation of this plaque and they always thought there was a few kind of mutations that led to this what they found is that they analyzed patients with Alzheimer's and looked at it they had thousands of mutations in these in these AP p genes a factor like a six scale factor more than we thought before and this is just this is totally fascinating because now we can target Alzheimer's a really different way which is looking at how this ap P gene gets replicated as cells divide so and if there's a way to sort of block that maybe we can actually reduce the interest the introduction of this mutation right so it's getting a little hot in here so pardon me if I'm a little slow but are they thinking this may be one of the new root causes of Alzheimer's uh like it's hard to say that's the root cause this is almost sort of like it how it progresses hmm because it's not like it's the mutation itself that could potentially be the root cause but they're trying to stop the mechanism by which it propagates got it but this is a really interesting I think kind of a landmarks study and it will be interesting to follow how they are able to slow the progression of that mutation the V are minute virtual reality this week so since we all last the three of us have podcasted we got to do something in VR together it was a while ago I know we haven't podcast in a long time we play the new rec room quest what's it called it's the Shen dou of the Blood Moon that sounds right yeah you still got it 15% you see we have not beaten it no no and we've gotten far enough to learn that there are save points now oh my god you jump right to the the top of the matter I don't know if I want to beat this anymore cuz it does not have the same but you don't know you don't know like you have to beat it to find out if it was satisfying or not that's very true so to set it up this is a kind of a horror themed gothic theme Castlevania yeah gothic gothic theme you've a whip and there's a new weapon so whereas the last of the pirate quests introduce some melee and the the reloading pistol oh so good so good the in the very first thing you have is a whole storable new weapon which is a bullwhip and the physics of the bullwhip have it has a learning curve yeah you can get really good at it cuz you can reach really far you can and you don't have ammo for this so this becomes your de facto melee weapon well it's not just that you're supposed to hit creatures with it you have to pull back so like you snap it throw it and then you wait X amount of milliseconds and then you snap it back and depending on how long you wait the explosion is further away and sometimes you there's a little bit of Splash Damage so you have to sort of time it and get a sense for when to whip it back yeah very interesting and you also use it as a way to get around the world because you can swing and climb up trees and other poles not essential but really cool weapon mechanic still three players now we played it like a couple times got to a solid point where you enter this castle and defeated the first mini boss failed died and then it turned out like you said Jeremy we respawn in the lobby of the castle which was a good at least half-hour into the campaign you are not thrilled with it I was not no yeah you know what though I don't understand that norm because I I asked them like how are you making content that most of your audience will never see how do you invest your development hours in this stuff and I mean obviously there's a there's an argument to be made that that makes it special and if they were gonna do people are going to work hard to see it but you don't know yet if that doesn't also apply to this like maybe this campaign is longer or more difficult I bet it is in which case like you you're gonna want those say points or even you won't see the ending I wish that if they were gonna incorporate save points they would at least have the option of creating an Ironman mode where you don't get save points and you get special achievements or special recognition for beating it all the way through so I thinking about taking 20 seconds to leave the room and go back in and then you reset it yeah but it's not in there there's my point there's no way if we beat it right now I would want us the three of us to play it without the same without the save point that's the only way to get s-rank is that the only way to get s-rank yeah you can't die okay well then I want us to get s-rank okay you didn't get s-rank with with uh with pirate quest but I look back at pirate quest I look back at the the number of times we had to go through that mission yeah and how and how long it took us are even uncover some of the labored parts of the map I don't want the scale of difficulty of this quest to be where we're spending most of our time in the later stages because they're difficult I'd rather it be difficult to all wait all the way through but have a learning curve where we can get better at it and so there's discoverability every time we play I I'm with Jeremy I think like the repetitiveness of having to go through like the early levels over and over again wears on you I felt that way but we got to a point where were so good at it where we we were just we were going through those truck points and it was fun to hit those choke points night after night and some nights we wouldn't get further in some nights we would get further and there would be discoverability I'm really afraid that this lets you just binge it all and take it on without the rewarding act of having that time spent yeah III think that we'll look back on the early question with a nostalgically and with fondness yeah yeah there's something to those mm-hmm you know but like we said if you want to play this through without the save points you can do that you just quit go back in start from the beginning 20 seconds no it's too easy the crutch is there already well why is Tetris effect on here you put it on the show notes because if we've played it oh okay in VR we haven't talked about that on the podcast I don't think so have you talked about on the podcast I thought maybe you saw something about the PC release oh no is there a PC release oh yeah it's not first party like it'll come to PC eventually I'm certain of it we just don't know when in this variation in this form yeah man how can you be sure it's not because it's not a you know a Sony first party game it's as a third party game yeah but we don't know whether the exclusive was such that it's sunny it's gotta be timed no no I bet it's time hide I don't know yeah yeah but you're right it's not a thirst it's not a Sony developed game you won't see a strobe ah coming to PC that's true that is a Sony first party game and they're there in the business to sell headsets and games but Tetris effect I'm playing it more not in psvr really yeah why convenience yeah easy to turn it on and turn it off see I think it'd be great on the go I completely agree that oculus co or or the quest whenever that comes out right like this is a perfect mobile headset game you have you need six off no yeah this is a perfect put on a mobile headset and play it's a little bit expensive but I think I think you can get there's a lot of a lot of game they're conspicuous for Dolan's VR was exclusive for PlayStation and now it's been somewhat confirmed that it's can only be a time exclusive so if gearbox wants to release it for PC which there's no reason they wouldn't want to it will also come out on PC platforms on Steam apparently what is that is that a new game or no it's a remake of Borderlands the words to I think okay interesting for for VR single-player only no no multiplayer right unfortunately virtual desktop came out what tomorrow so the day this podcast comes out I think a virtual desktop for the oculus go will hit your oculus go store and we've tried I've tried it I don't like Norma's had a chance to try it yet but we we've had the opportunity I've had an opportunity to give it a chance to give it a try but the past couple days and I gotta say it works very well it's it is a very low latency desktop experience has many environments to true choose from I like the one that's actually a PC like you're just at a desk and you have a big PC monitor don't worry you say it's boring but it's actually that you get the best resolution because the screens right in front of you and it's quite big and it's it just it feels good like you can read the text you can play games on it you can actually sync a game pad up to the oculus go that will translate into a game pad on your PC so you're gonna latency isn't that bad like games the latency is it's it's worse than people are making a sound there's lot there's lots of videos out there saying I don't detect any latency no no if you're a gamer you're gonna detect latency and I think we could make an interesting video that actually shows it because you can see on your computer screen mirrored into the go and you can capture both you can see it and we can measure it yeah or you can measure this sound but it's if you know I whether or not it's good for games remains to be seen it's certainly fine for some types of games but the twitch games maybe not so much this is a way that you could get like YouTube TV streaming in your oh yeah no it's great for any kind of desktop consumption I mean it says it's great for that what I've seen nobody mentioned however is the Remote Desktop opportunities so you can actually take your go with you and access your desktop anywhere on the Internet but you would need some type of peripheral no no peripheral no no it you can act you don't have to be on a land you know to be on a local network at all to access know by I mean like how would you control your remote desktop the same way you control your remote desktop locally with the go controller go controller as a mouse yep and you can connect a USB keyboard or using the mouse you can pull up the virtual keyboard right so you got full control and so if you go somewhere else on the Internet he the guy who wrote the program incorporates a pairing server for your headset and and your streaming app which is running on your PC now that's the same pairing server that it uses if you're at home or anywhere else so they can talk to each other it finds out where your computer is the only thing you have to do on your computer side is either turn on universal plug and play in your router settings but don't do that you have to open up four ports and I will put the ports in in the show notes or something like that mm-hmm but he also said guy the guy who actually wrote the program it's gonna write a FAQ put those ports on it on his back but if you do that you now have a very really good remote desktop experience anywhere in the world now that's my question is from an experiential standpoint remote desktop on my laptop mess up is that's great yeah right on the phone remote desktop apps work but the user experience clunkier with the keyboard and screen and the resolution here you make the screen as because you want cuz you're in VR it doesn't make that much of a difference and what do people usually use andro desktop for you know some media management some oh really like let's see me I always use it like I'm somewhere and like hey can you give me that file yeah media management yeah or just like you forgot to send somebody something or you need to search something or get a file or listen to an mp3 or whatever it is cloud isn't working for you just have just have I take my oculus go headset on on the go when I travel nowadays and so now that's like it's actually quite an ideal remote desktop experience and that would be my probably my primary use for it hmm sitting around the house I don't see that the use case quite so much because I can either I could sit at my computer it's not like the computers not in use if I put the go on and use it from a different room it's not like it adds a monitor it takes it up but uh it's it's a really neat opportunity to actually see your computer when you're away from it very cool and that again is available as you're listening to podcast today for oculus co users I think actually that does it for this podcast does it Wow anything want to talk about one more thing yeah don't think so yeah okay I got the ports you got the ports right let's see other ports all TCP ports three eight eight one Oh 2:03 oh and 403 8 8 103 8 8 - oh yeah three eight three oh and three eight eight four oh that's right go oh I think we know the title of the show I won't remember that and that will do it for this week's episode thank you all for listening we'll be back next week with another episode we're in the holidays yeah I setup trees yet trees going up this weekend same here am i tree I'm going not real tree for the first time in five six years or going great tree it's expensive welcome to the club but you know I couldn't could go out and haul the tree so I had one delivered I got a setup tonight I did leave the house to pick up some food and I've already started seeing some some Christmas herpes lights on lights on the houses they've spread to your house already not to my house just in the neighborhood I've seen laser lights on houses oh yeah and it doesn't look good still doesn't look up this year does that mean laser lights on your house no no not not my neighbor in the neighbor gotcha guys guys yeah projection mapping come on it's been a year show them the way norm hey light form get in touch all right we have an outro yeah Steve Guang you line it up with the crosshairs and is's Jurassic Park we are a scientist exterior the whole time you are I don't know hey I want to give a shout out to Nick who said hi in the mall the other day came up podcast listener in town from England said hi he would say hi to you guys too if you were there hey Nick hey\n"