The Art of Cooling: A Deep Dive into the World of Thermal Pads and GPU Performance

As we boot up our system, it's clear that something is amiss. The temperatures are running high, and we're seeing spikes in the heat. But what's causing this? Is it a faulty cooling system or a simple issue with thermal paste? In this article, we'll take a closer look at the world of thermal pads and GPU performance to get to the bottom of these issues.

Our first step is to assess the situation. We're running a split screen test to compare the temperatures between our GPU and CPU. The results are telling - we're seeing significant temperature drops in the CPU, but the GPU is still running hot. It's like our thermal paste is struggling to keep up with the heat generated by the GPU.

But why is this happening? We decide to take a closer look at the thermal pads on our RAM modules. To our surprise, we see that the thermal paste has started to squish out of the sides slightly, indicating that we're making good contact between the pad and the GPU. However, this raises an important question - what's causing the thermal paste to behave like this? Is it a faulty manufacturing process or simply a design flaw?

We decide to investigate further by taking a closer look at the thermal pads themselves. We notice that they're incredibly thin, with some of them being as little as 0.5 millimeters thick. This raises concerns about their ability to effectively dissipate heat - is this enough to keep our GPU temperatures under control? We also start to wonder if there's something fundamentally wrong with the way these thermal pads are designed.

As we continue to monitor our system, we start to see some significant temperature drops in the memory modules. It's down by 12 degrees from where it was just moments before, and we're seeing a general trend towards lower temperatures across the board. However, this raises an important question - what's causing these temperature drops? Is it simply a result of the thermal paste spreading out and filling in any gaps between the pad and the GPU?

We decide to investigate further by taking a closer look at our system's behavior when running demanding games like Diablo. The results are telling - we're seeing significant temperature spikes in the hot spot, but the CPU temperatures are still relatively low. However, this raises an important question about the performance of our cooling system under load.

As we continue to monitor our system, we start to see some concerning trends. Our GPU temperatures are still running high, and we're not seeing any significant improvements from the thermal paste we've applied. We also notice that our memory temperatures are still relatively high, despite the drop in temperature we saw earlier.

We decide to investigate further by taking a closer look at the cooling system itself. To our surprise, we discover that the manufacturer has intentionally left out certain components - including clay pads designed to fill gaps between the pad and the GPU. This raises important questions about the design of these thermal pads and whether they're truly effective in dissipating heat.

We decide to take action by reaching out to the manufacturer and requesting that they send us additional clay pads. We also start to wonder if there's a way to improve our cooling system using these pads. As we continue to monitor our system, we see significant temperature drops across the board - 12 degrees in the memory modules alone.

But what about the GPU temperatures? Are we truly seeing improvements with this new thermal paste and clay pad combination? We take a closer look at our results and are relieved to see that our GPU temperatures have dropped significantly. However, this raises an important question about the performance of our cooling system under load - is it truly capable of keeping up with demanding tasks like gaming?

As we continue to monitor our system, we start to see some concerning trends. Our hot spot temperatures are still running high, and we're not seeing any significant improvements from the thermal paste we've applied. However, this raises an important question about the design of these thermal pads - is there a way to improve their performance?

In conclusion, the world of thermal pads and GPU performance is complex and nuanced. While our cooling system has shown some promising results, it's clear that there are still areas for improvement. By taking a closer look at our system and identifying key issues, we can begin to work towards creating a more efficient and effective cooling solution.

Ultimately, our experience highlights the importance of proper thermal pad design and application. Even small gaps in the thermal pad can lead to significant temperature spikes and reduced performance. However, with the right combination of thermal paste and clay pads, it's possible to create a highly effective cooling system that truly delivers.

In the end, it's clear that we've only scratched the surface of this topic. There are still many unanswered questions about the world of thermal pads and GPU performance - but by continuing to investigate and monitor our system, we can begin to uncover some of these answers and work towards creating a better cooling solution for ourselves and others.

As we continue to explore the world of thermal pads and GPU performance, it's clear that there are many lessons to be learned from this experience. By taking a closer look at our system and identifying key issues, we can begin to create more effective cooling solutions - ones that truly deliver under demanding conditions.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enso recently I did a video where I repasted my Falcon Northwest DLX personal laptop that I got so I could finally have just a non-gotty gaming laptop that looks nice and is from a brand that has been around for decades not sponsored the video wasn't sponsored about replacing neither is this one but they did reach out to me and they say hey Jay we saw you repasted and got some good uh temperature results maybe we're they're actually investigating now using kpx for their laptops too because of the fact that um they use kpx already in their desktops but they warned me they said hey do us a favor keep an eye on those memory temps because of the Clevo cooler that's built into these odm laptops there's so much variance in how twisted they may be or the kind of contact we might be getting I might be having great GPU attempts right now but I might be murdering the memory so now we're gonna do that and test that which to be honest I should have just done the first time hey Jay day day what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships yeah woman worships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and famous warships from World War one and World War II recreated with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below will receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving seven days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 doublooms and the tier V premium ship the Exeter so what are you guys waiting for start sinking ships of World of Warships by heading the description below and getting your freebies okay so for monitoring you guys might remember last time we used their built-in the built-in control center which would show us you know our fan speed and it would show us our clock speed and temperatures and their GPU clock speed and temperature and when it says off it's because it switched to the Intel uh internal Graphics anyway I don't even need this now other than the fact that I have to recreate the testing scenario which I had before which was lifted up the back of the PC I don't know why only Asus came up with a somewhat similar design which is when you open the lid with that um what was it the sort of the Z Zephyr yeah the zephyrus zephyrus laptop when he opened it up a kickstand came down to create like it would lift it up off the table and since all the cooling comes in from the bottom for the most part um I feel like laptops should have like you know keyboards have a little kick down kick down feet I think laptops need that just to get it up so anyway I'm using the power brick underneath it on the very back Edge so I'm not blocking any of the vents and then also too we had the fans set to maximum for the testing I'm not going to do that until I'm ready to start the test because they're very loud um anyway but because I use this and I always use hardware monitor I couldn't see memory temps or hotspot temps so it's important to be able to see those because I could have very good GPU attempts but a hot spot temp on one part of the die maybe not getting good contact with the the cold plate which would mean that we're getting terrible throttling now the reason why I'm also checking this and it's in perfect timing with that email they sent me while we were at LTX I let my daughter play on this PC because she went with my wife and I to LTX and she was in the whale land area um gaming on this and I asked her how it was performing because I've been playing Diablo and stuff on it but she played some other stuff she said it was good but there was some stuttering and some hiccups and it was like kind of pausing and then so I'm like oh maybe I should check those temps right anyway we can see those now so with the free version of hardware monitor you can see memory temp Hot Spot Temp and all that and ironically on the Pro trial you can't Pro tip Pro tip just get the free one you can see everything you need and it doesn't expire or anything so I don't know why they do that anyway so memories at 54c at idle which is fairly warm to be honest so I'm already starting to get a little bit concerned that it may not be making good contact uh with just having the thermal paste in between there he was explaining to me the the owner of Falcon Northwest was explaining to me that the type of pad that Clevo uses who's the odm for this laptop uh is a non-wet padded that makes sense that's why it's not greasy um it's more of a dry Pad but it is intended to squish and fill that Gap there's gaps that have to be filled I was just hoping the thermal paste would be able to do that but if thermal paste isn't compressed it's not it doesn't do a very good job of transferring so if it's if the memory attempts are getting too hot then I've got to go back into my drawer of thermal pads and try and find one that fits without lifting the cooler off the GPU die which is what I was experiencing the first time I tried thermal pads so with all that explanation said here we go I'm going to turn on the fans 100 load it up with Port Royal Loop like we did before and we'll see if those temps get out of control so I'm curious if we get a immediate temperature Spike so I said Port Royal it's actually Speedway we were using but I want to see if we get an immediate temperature Spike on the memory 60 68 70. 72 I mean 76 this is within operational attempts but if anyone's ever dealt with the 40 90 40 80 back mounted memory you know it could get pretty warm it was 80. okay I don't think our memory is being properly cooled so what I want to see right now is our memory speeds our memory speeds right here at 9000 megahertz effective um it's 82. they're not throttling but this is still not ideal damn I really wish I knew what the before temps were now so I don't know what the max operational memory temp is but I have to assume at some point if this continues to climb we're going to drop down from nine thousand you know what I kind of want to do right now is I want to fire up Diablo 4. put it in a real gaming scenario okay so I've got I've had Diablo sitting here yeah before just however it's pronounced and then you can hear the system's clearly under load but what's odd about this look at the temps gpus lower hot spots lower that makes sense on the GPU because this is not a ray tracing test and Speedway is so any of the RT cores that are sitting in here basically doing nothing now I do have dlss enabled which is going to be making those tensor cores do something but look at the memory it's at ADC 78 it bounces between 78 and 80. so if this were a graph line you'd see it be pretty flat that is already 14c lower than we saw on Speedway so that means Speedway is definitely hitting the ram in more ways than I realize which now means I don't know why we were getting the hitching and stuttering at LTX unless maybe that was just a network thing because my daughter was playing online games so I unless I've not it could have also just been Diablo it could have been Diablo because I mean the game is still new and there's still been some Network stuff happening with the game and server issues so it could have just been Diablo I asked her if she's played other games and she was playing like undertale so games that wouldn't have like really shown any sort of temperature issues but I'm now thinking maybe my thermal paste Solution on the memory is fine now here's the other issue here I got on the phone with Falcon Northwest because I needed some information on what am I seeing now hardware monitor Pro might show me Junction temp and Edge temp and hotspot temp for um the memory which I can't see this is just memory so I don't know where that is at the hottest reported tip is an average of temps because what we need to figure out now is am I if I'm seeing an average or I'm just seeing one particular sensor that I can't see a hotspot we might have one chip on here going really hot because if the if the cold plate is twisted and you can twist the chassis of a laptop which is going to move the cooler around too is one of the main reasons why they were saying they believe Clevo uses those Gap filling pads thermal pads are Gap fillers obviously but they're much more flexible and less liquidy based they're much more dry and it's designed to move around and flex with the laptop so although their response to my video about replacing their laptop was like hey cool repacing is good you know they repasted them too I just went with kpx because I want to see if there'd be a difference and I did gain some they explained to me they leave those pads on the memory because they can't account for what would happen if you know if you have variants in the coolers and the thermal paste might be right but over time and heat fluctuations and changes or just carrying it around and twisting it am I going to cause my they're concerned for the memory long term so they were kind of like yeah we're kind of interested to see how this works out for you you know so anyway but you can see in games right now at least gaming whatever is being reported is good so two things are going to happen next one I'm going to close Diablo because that's no longer like the issue that we were experiencing with Diablo now cannot be explained with the cooler solution I think I need to finally just buy hardware monitor Pro I think that's going to show me the temperatures that I need to see because I need to identify what is 78c if 78c is just the average and I've got summer running a little lower and I've got one spot on one chip running 105 or whatever the well 95 is the max operational temperature of the gddr6 then that's a problem so the next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to upgrade this to Pro then we're going to go back into speedway because that was the only test so far that of stuff loaded on this laptop that is going to show us the max temperatures on memory and see what happens with Pro if I have more visibility on the sensors uh Pro tip don't get Pro because no you can't see memory hotspot and stuff on it's the same it's the exact same stuff that you could see in the free one the difference is we have now logging which will be helpful we have logs um 24 a year I mean I have no problem supporting hardware monitor with some money I've used it for years but the pro one they need to work on getting you some more Pro stuff make a graph I think draw graph or something moving on I want to know what's going to happen it's clearly going to hit the operational Max temp of 95c this room is far too cool this laptop's airflow is far too good and the temps are far too high to not hit it if I were to turn off the AC in this room and take away that brick and let it sit flat on the table we would definitely see those temps come up faster um the memory is already 82. 84. so clearly Speedway does its thing but finding out that the max operational temperature was 95 and then whatever we find out what the TJ Max is I need to find out what's going to happen is the memory clock going to drop down or are we going to see the GPU slow down I don't know to be honest we're already 86 88. it's already hit 90 for a second as because there's 90. we won't have to wait long to find out so it's uh at 98c and then it bounces off 100 every now and then but I've been watching and it's been running for like an hour now by the way we are plenty heat soaked the GPU core temps are pretty much exactly where we expected them to be but most importantly the GPU frequencies are not suffering so we were trying to figure out what would happen once it hits those Max temperatures what what what's going to adjust to keep it from overheating the memory net has never dropped down it has stood at 9001 the entire time and the the graphics as you can see is bouncing between the 20 low 2200s and then hitting 2400 between when it's loading scenes this is where the frequency has always been so we did find out the spec sheet says 95c that might be for Jeep like desktop gpus the memory might be a little different in the laptops maybe just because they know they get hotter I don't know but at 100 C we're not seeing anything slow down I also know in talking with Falcon Northwest that they've had these conversations with Nvidia and has been basically explicitly stated that these are the targets it's designed to run this high and we know that but we don't have to like that anyway I don't think I need to take it apart and repaste it but I'm gonna take it apart anyway because I am 100 curious now as to how much that thermal paste has spread on the ramp if this still looks like a dollop when I take it off and it doesn't look like it is spread you know it's blue it's easy to see then we'll know that there may have been some hotter parts of the RAM and so what I plan on doing is this is actually an old Vega Vega block uh EK water blocks for Vega I have these pre-cut Ram chip half mil super thin thermal pads and what they use what EK used to recommend back in the day was actually putting the thermal pad on the chip and then a drop of thermal paste on top of each pad so I'm gonna try that next I'm gonna put these pads on each one I would love to try it with just the pad but I'm I'm not comfortable with that I'm going to do pad and thermal paste let it do its thing and then we'll check the temps and that's probably where we'll end up leaving it but there's been a lot of discovery about just some of the inconsistencies on the cooler that Clevo uses in their own installation process and where the screws and stuff are that that thick clay pad that they use is honestly just a lazy fix for some manufacturing tolerance problems oh yeah see look at that there's there is no spread on the memory so this is this is kind of a good thing we always had really good look at the GPU the GPU spread it like it's like a perfect that was perfect but of course because nothing on the ram was there was no spread at all okay so I'm glad I did this I I remember I just said I didn't feel like I needed to I'm glad I did let me clean this all up and then I'll I'll put the thermal pad on there and then the drop of thermal paste on the thermal pads you guys can see what that looks like this might look really weird to some of you but like I said this was actually the way it was just like EK water blocks used to show this in their manual I wish I had one of those manuals on hand anyway I'm going to spread the thermal paste on the dies now get that back together okay Phil can put up a split screen but this is already like 10c cooler for Ram you see it jumping up between 42 and 48 there's 44. it was in the 50s 52 54 before so we're like eight to ten C colder already just in the I like booting up the system oh there's a 50 right there anyway um let's go ahead and start with Diablo we'll start with Diablo because of the fact that we know um that the temps were much cooler in Diablo so if we see a hot temp in Tableau then we're gonna know okay now see my my concern I can't imagine that super thin half meal pad I put on there now would cause enough of a gap to where it will know like we're not making good contact on the GPU because my concern is now did that mil did that half mil pad now push the cooler off the GPU some I think we're making good contact though because I did see some of the thermal paste I put on on the thermal pads for the ram squish out the side slightly so that tells me we got contact for sure and thermal paste as you guys know a half mil can make all the difference between contact or not so anyway here we go let's see it's been running for a while now 64.66 it's dropped down to 62 at one point when I walked over here it was a 62. but look at our GPU attempts they're still fantastic 59 degrees on the GPU 64 to 64 and a half on the hot spot it spiked at 70. and we're seeing the temps come down from where the spikes are only because the new thermal paste has started to spread and as it gets hot it really starts to fill in those those gaps right as it thins out I think the same thing is happening for the memory which is why you're seeing the memory cool off we have dropped what 12C on the memories so far but that's only half of it oh look at the graphics core lock the 2400 I think it was locked before honestly with Java it's just not in this particular laptop config it's not hard to run okay Diablo that's cool and all is Speedway going to bring it to its knees or to its hinges yeah look at the hot spot 102.6 for it was a second ago our memory has come down quite a bit 12 degrees it hit 90 for a second but it's the thin that pad is so thin that means the Gap we're dealing with here it could honestly just be one part of the cooler that's slightly higher than the rest which is lifting the whole thing up Cantor so all we did now is now screw our GPU temps back up dang okay so I've already had the conversation with Falcon Northwest they're going to send me the appropriate clay pads that were intended to be in there all along because they're designed to squish and fill that Gap and they will perfectly squish to whatever the Gap is it's like I wish I could get I could with those I'll probably get the better memory temps like I'm getting now again 12C colder with and you know what's funny is I mean we've dropped quite a bit look at that we're down to 2055 2040 2025 that's that's way down from where it was so all I did was move the temperatures back to the GPU because now the GPU is not getting so if I were to take that cooler apart again it'd be like the first time you guys saw where it was too hot in the first video where it wasn't fully squished out back to that I'm just shocked that the cooler from Clevo is that uneven if you will that 0.5 millimeters is the difference between throttling and fantastic temperatures for the GPU or terrible temperatures for the GPU and great temps for the memory I guess there's a reason why clebo uses that clay squishy pad okay well that's where we're gonna leave it I mean there's no there's no reason to follow this up because of the fact that I already know what I need to do right now is I need to take it back apart because I'm going to be heading to Indianapolis I will already have been there probably by the time you guys see this video and I want to play Diablo in the hotel room okay and I can't do that and well I can do that in its current state you guys saw the temperatures it'd be fine but I'm not okay with these uh these temps as they are obviously 103.8 C that's the hot spots above safe yeah all right guys thanks for watching um it's my recommendation just don't don't screw around with your laptops just leave them aloneso recently I did a video where I repasted my Falcon Northwest DLX personal laptop that I got so I could finally have just a non-gotty gaming laptop that looks nice and is from a brand that has been around for decades not sponsored the video wasn't sponsored about replacing neither is this one but they did reach out to me and they say hey Jay we saw you repasted and got some good uh temperature results maybe we're they're actually investigating now using kpx for their laptops too because of the fact that um they use kpx already in their desktops but they warned me they said hey do us a favor keep an eye on those memory temps because of the Clevo cooler that's built into these odm laptops there's so much variance in how twisted they may be or the kind of contact we might be getting I might be having great GPU attempts right now but I might be murdering the memory so now we're gonna do that and test that which to be honest I should have just done the first time hey Jay day day what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships yeah woman worships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and famous warships from World War one and World War II recreated with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below will receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving seven days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 doublooms and the tier V premium ship the Exeter so what are you guys waiting for start sinking ships of World of Warships by heading the description below and getting your freebies okay so for monitoring you guys might remember last time we used their built-in the built-in control center which would show us you know our fan speed and it would show us our clock speed and temperatures and their GPU clock speed and temperature and when it says off it's because it switched to the Intel uh internal Graphics anyway I don't even need this now other than the fact that I have to recreate the testing scenario which I had before which was lifted up the back of the PC I don't know why only Asus came up with a somewhat similar design which is when you open the lid with that um what was it the sort of the Z Zephyr yeah the zephyrus zephyrus laptop when he opened it up a kickstand came down to create like it would lift it up off the table and since all the cooling comes in from the bottom for the most part um I feel like laptops should have like you know keyboards have a little kick down kick down feet I think laptops need that just to get it up so anyway I'm using the power brick underneath it on the very back Edge so I'm not blocking any of the vents and then also too we had the fans set to maximum for the testing I'm not going to do that until I'm ready to start the test because they're very loud um anyway but because I use this and I always use hardware monitor I couldn't see memory temps or hotspot temps so it's important to be able to see those because I could have very good GPU attempts but a hot spot temp on one part of the die maybe not getting good contact with the the cold plate which would mean that we're getting terrible throttling now the reason why I'm also checking this and it's in perfect timing with that email they sent me while we were at LTX I let my daughter play on this PC because she went with my wife and I to LTX and she was in the whale land area um gaming on this and I asked her how it was performing because I've been playing Diablo and stuff on it but she played some other stuff she said it was good but there was some stuttering and some hiccups and it was like kind of pausing and then so I'm like oh maybe I should check those temps right anyway we can see those now so with the free version of hardware monitor you can see memory temp Hot Spot Temp and all that and ironically on the Pro trial you can't Pro tip Pro tip just get the free one you can see everything you need and it doesn't expire or anything so I don't know why they do that anyway so memories at 54c at idle which is fairly warm to be honest so I'm already starting to get a little bit concerned that it may not be making good contact uh with just having the thermal paste in between there he was explaining to me the the owner of Falcon Northwest was explaining to me that the type of pad that Clevo uses who's the odm for this laptop uh is a non-wet padded that makes sense that's why it's not greasy um it's more of a dry Pad but it is intended to squish and fill that Gap there's gaps that have to be filled I was just hoping the thermal paste would be able to do that but if thermal paste isn't compressed it's not it doesn't do a very good job of transferring so if it's if the memory attempts are getting too hot then I've got to go back into my drawer of thermal pads and try and find one that fits without lifting the cooler off the GPU die which is what I was experiencing the first time I tried thermal pads so with all that explanation said here we go I'm going to turn on the fans 100 load it up with Port Royal Loop like we did before and we'll see if those temps get out of control so I'm curious if we get a immediate temperature Spike so I said Port Royal it's actually Speedway we were using but I want to see if we get an immediate temperature Spike on the memory 60 68 70. 72 I mean 76 this is within operational attempts but if anyone's ever dealt with the 40 90 40 80 back mounted memory you know it could get pretty warm it was 80. okay I don't think our memory is being properly cooled so what I want to see right now is our memory speeds our memory speeds right here at 9000 megahertz effective um it's 82. they're not throttling but this is still not ideal damn I really wish I knew what the before temps were now so I don't know what the max operational memory temp is but I have to assume at some point if this continues to climb we're going to drop down from nine thousand you know what I kind of want to do right now is I want to fire up Diablo 4. put it in a real gaming scenario okay so I've got I've had Diablo sitting here yeah before just however it's pronounced and then you can hear the system's clearly under load but what's odd about this look at the temps gpus lower hot spots lower that makes sense on the GPU because this is not a ray tracing test and Speedway is so any of the RT cores that are sitting in here basically doing nothing now I do have dlss enabled which is going to be making those tensor cores do something but look at the memory it's at ADC 78 it bounces between 78 and 80. so if this were a graph line you'd see it be pretty flat that is already 14c lower than we saw on Speedway so that means Speedway is definitely hitting the ram in more ways than I realize which now means I don't know why we were getting the hitching and stuttering at LTX unless maybe that was just a network thing because my daughter was playing online games so I unless I've not it could have also just been Diablo it could have been Diablo because I mean the game is still new and there's still been some Network stuff happening with the game and server issues so it could have just been Diablo I asked her if she's played other games and she was playing like undertale so games that wouldn't have like really shown any sort of temperature issues but I'm now thinking maybe my thermal paste Solution on the memory is fine now here's the other issue here I got on the phone with Falcon Northwest because I needed some information on what am I seeing now hardware monitor Pro might show me Junction temp and Edge temp and hotspot temp for um the memory which I can't see this is just memory so I don't know where that is at the hottest reported tip is an average of temps because what we need to figure out now is am I if I'm seeing an average or I'm just seeing one particular sensor that I can't see a hotspot we might have one chip on here going really hot because if the if the cold plate is twisted and you can twist the chassis of a laptop which is going to move the cooler around too is one of the main reasons why they were saying they believe Clevo uses those Gap filling pads thermal pads are Gap fillers obviously but they're much more flexible and less liquidy based they're much more dry and it's designed to move around and flex with the laptop so although their response to my video about replacing their laptop was like hey cool repacing is good you know they repasted them too I just went with kpx because I want to see if there'd be a difference and I did gain some they explained to me they leave those pads on the memory because they can't account for what would happen if you know if you have variants in the coolers and the thermal paste might be right but over time and heat fluctuations and changes or just carrying it around and twisting it am I going to cause my they're concerned for the memory long term so they were kind of like yeah we're kind of interested to see how this works out for you you know so anyway but you can see in games right now at least gaming whatever is being reported is good so two things are going to happen next one I'm going to close Diablo because that's no longer like the issue that we were experiencing with Diablo now cannot be explained with the cooler solution I think I need to finally just buy hardware monitor Pro I think that's going to show me the temperatures that I need to see because I need to identify what is 78c if 78c is just the average and I've got summer running a little lower and I've got one spot on one chip running 105 or whatever the well 95 is the max operational temperature of the gddr6 then that's a problem so the next thing I'm going to do is I'm going to upgrade this to Pro then we're going to go back into speedway because that was the only test so far that of stuff loaded on this laptop that is going to show us the max temperatures on memory and see what happens with Pro if I have more visibility on the sensors uh Pro tip don't get Pro because no you can't see memory hotspot and stuff on it's the same it's the exact same stuff that you could see in the free one the difference is we have now logging which will be helpful we have logs um 24 a year I mean I have no problem supporting hardware monitor with some money I've used it for years but the pro one they need to work on getting you some more Pro stuff make a graph I think draw graph or something moving on I want to know what's going to happen it's clearly going to hit the operational Max temp of 95c this room is far too cool this laptop's airflow is far too good and the temps are far too high to not hit it if I were to turn off the AC in this room and take away that brick and let it sit flat on the table we would definitely see those temps come up faster um the memory is already 82. 84. so clearly Speedway does its thing but finding out that the max operational temperature was 95 and then whatever we find out what the TJ Max is I need to find out what's going to happen is the memory clock going to drop down or are we going to see the GPU slow down I don't know to be honest we're already 86 88. it's already hit 90 for a second as because there's 90. we won't have to wait long to find out so it's uh at 98c and then it bounces off 100 every now and then but I've been watching and it's been running for like an hour now by the way we are plenty heat soaked the GPU core temps are pretty much exactly where we expected them to be but most importantly the GPU frequencies are not suffering so we were trying to figure out what would happen once it hits those Max temperatures what what what's going to adjust to keep it from overheating the memory net has never dropped down it has stood at 9001 the entire time and the the graphics as you can see is bouncing between the 20 low 2200s and then hitting 2400 between when it's loading scenes this is where the frequency has always been so we did find out the spec sheet says 95c that might be for Jeep like desktop gpus the memory might be a little different in the laptops maybe just because they know they get hotter I don't know but at 100 C we're not seeing anything slow down I also know in talking with Falcon Northwest that they've had these conversations with Nvidia and has been basically explicitly stated that these are the targets it's designed to run this high and we know that but we don't have to like that anyway I don't think I need to take it apart and repaste it but I'm gonna take it apart anyway because I am 100 curious now as to how much that thermal paste has spread on the ramp if this still looks like a dollop when I take it off and it doesn't look like it is spread you know it's blue it's easy to see then we'll know that there may have been some hotter parts of the RAM and so what I plan on doing is this is actually an old Vega Vega block uh EK water blocks for Vega I have these pre-cut Ram chip half mil super thin thermal pads and what they use what EK used to recommend back in the day was actually putting the thermal pad on the chip and then a drop of thermal paste on top of each pad so I'm gonna try that next I'm gonna put these pads on each one I would love to try it with just the pad but I'm I'm not comfortable with that I'm going to do pad and thermal paste let it do its thing and then we'll check the temps and that's probably where we'll end up leaving it but there's been a lot of discovery about just some of the inconsistencies on the cooler that Clevo uses in their own installation process and where the screws and stuff are that that thick clay pad that they use is honestly just a lazy fix for some manufacturing tolerance problems oh yeah see look at that there's there is no spread on the memory so this is this is kind of a good thing we always had really good look at the GPU the GPU spread it like it's like a perfect that was perfect but of course because nothing on the ram was there was no spread at all okay so I'm glad I did this I I remember I just said I didn't feel like I needed to I'm glad I did let me clean this all up and then I'll I'll put the thermal pad on there and then the drop of thermal paste on the thermal pads you guys can see what that looks like this might look really weird to some of you but like I said this was actually the way it was just like EK water blocks used to show this in their manual I wish I had one of those manuals on hand anyway I'm going to spread the thermal paste on the dies now get that back together okay Phil can put up a split screen but this is already like 10c cooler for Ram you see it jumping up between 42 and 48 there's 44. it was in the 50s 52 54 before so we're like eight to ten C colder already just in the I like booting up the system oh there's a 50 right there anyway um let's go ahead and start with Diablo we'll start with Diablo because of the fact that we know um that the temps were much cooler in Diablo so if we see a hot temp in Tableau then we're gonna know okay now see my my concern I can't imagine that super thin half meal pad I put on there now would cause enough of a gap to where it will know like we're not making good contact on the GPU because my concern is now did that mil did that half mil pad now push the cooler off the GPU some I think we're making good contact though because I did see some of the thermal paste I put on on the thermal pads for the ram squish out the side slightly so that tells me we got contact for sure and thermal paste as you guys know a half mil can make all the difference between contact or not so anyway here we go let's see it's been running for a while now 64.66 it's dropped down to 62 at one point when I walked over here it was a 62. but look at our GPU attempts they're still fantastic 59 degrees on the GPU 64 to 64 and a half on the hot spot it spiked at 70. and we're seeing the temps come down from where the spikes are only because the new thermal paste has started to spread and as it gets hot it really starts to fill in those those gaps right as it thins out I think the same thing is happening for the memory which is why you're seeing the memory cool off we have dropped what 12C on the memories so far but that's only half of it oh look at the graphics core lock the 2400 I think it was locked before honestly with Java it's just not in this particular laptop config it's not hard to run okay Diablo that's cool and all is Speedway going to bring it to its knees or to its hinges yeah look at the hot spot 102.6 for it was a second ago our memory has come down quite a bit 12 degrees it hit 90 for a second but it's the thin that pad is so thin that means the Gap we're dealing with here it could honestly just be one part of the cooler that's slightly higher than the rest which is lifting the whole thing up Cantor so all we did now is now screw our GPU temps back up dang okay so I've already had the conversation with Falcon Northwest they're going to send me the appropriate clay pads that were intended to be in there all along because they're designed to squish and fill that Gap and they will perfectly squish to whatever the Gap is it's like I wish I could get I could with those I'll probably get the better memory temps like I'm getting now again 12C colder with and you know what's funny is I mean we've dropped quite a bit look at that we're down to 2055 2040 2025 that's that's way down from where it was so all I did was move the temperatures back to the GPU because now the GPU is not getting so if I were to take that cooler apart again it'd be like the first time you guys saw where it was too hot in the first video where it wasn't fully squished out back to that I'm just shocked that the cooler from Clevo is that uneven if you will that 0.5 millimeters is the difference between throttling and fantastic temperatures for the GPU or terrible temperatures for the GPU and great temps for the memory I guess there's a reason why clebo uses that clay squishy pad okay well that's where we're gonna leave it I mean there's no there's no reason to follow this up because of the fact that I already know what I need to do right now is I need to take it back apart because I'm going to be heading to Indianapolis I will already have been there probably by the time you guys see this video and I want to play Diablo in the hotel room okay and I can't do that and well I can do that in its current state you guys saw the temperatures it'd be fine but I'm not okay with these uh these temps as they are obviously 103.8 C that's the hot spots above safe yeah all right guys thanks for watching um it's my recommendation just don't don't screw around with your laptops just leave them alone\n"