**The Art of Layout: A Discussion with Ted Forbes**

As a photographer and editor, Ted Forbes is always on the lookout for ways to enhance the visual impact of his work. One of his pet peeves is when layouts are done in a way that forces the viewer to turn the page or spin the magazine around to see what's really going on. "Everything needs to be heads up," he says. "I don't want to have to shift the magazine just to see something from a different angle." This emphasis on clear and intuitive layout is rooted in Ted's experience working with magazines, where a well-designed spread can make all the difference.

For Ted, good layout is not about filling every inch of space with content, but rather about creating a sense of flow and balance. He encourages photographers to think carefully about the composition of their images, taking into account issues like symmetry, color, and texture. "A lot of people want to fill the page with everything," he says. "But that's not always the best approach." Instead, Ted recommends letting borders and white space breathe, allowing the viewer's eye to move freely through the image.

One of the key principles of good layout is the importance of creating a sense of direction or flow. When done well, this can draw the viewer into the image and create a sense of tension or anticipation. However, when layout goes awry, it can feel forced or unnatural, disrupting the overall impact of the photograph. "I think there's something really to be said for taking risks and trying new things," Ted says. "But at the same time, you need to have a good eye for what works and what doesn't."

**Colin Ward's "In and Around the Lake"**

The next project up for discussion is Colin Ward's self-published book, "In and Around the Lake". This beautifully crafted volume features photographs of the birds and animals that inhabit a small lake in Florida, taken by Colin over the course of 10 years. The result is a stunning collection of images that are both intimate and expansive.

Colin's note on the back cover reads: "I enjoy your channel and your book reviews... I decided it was interesting enough to make a book of the photos..." This humility and willingness to share his work with others is evident throughout the book, which is full of lovely details and surprises. From the reflections in the water to the intricate patterns on the birds' feathers, every image is a masterclass in observation and patience.

One of the things that stands out about "In and Around the Lake" is its use of reflection. Colin's photographs often feature the lake as a mirror-like surface, reflecting the sky or other elements of the landscape. This technique creates a sense of depth and intimacy, drawing the viewer into the world of the photograph. The result is a book that feels both meditative and engaging.

**A Conversation with Ted Forbes**

We sat down with Ted to discuss his thoughts on Colin's book and the wider principles of good layout. "I think Colin's on the verge of doing something really unusual and different," he says. "The way he uses reflection, for example... it's just beautifully done." Ted praises Colin's attention to detail and his ability to capture the subtleties of light and color.

However, he also notes that some of the bird shots in the book can feel a bit repetitive or formulaic. "I see a lot of these images," he says. "And sometimes they're just a little too symmetrical... it's like Colin is trying to create a sense of order where there isn't one." Ted recommends varying up the composition and experimenting with different angles and perspectives.

Despite this, "In and Around the Lake" is a book that feels carefully curated and well-designed. The typography is clean and elegant, and the color palette is muted but effective. Overall, it's a lovely example of how good layout can elevate even the most straightforward photographs into something truly special.

**The Importance of Experimentation**

One of the things that Ted emphasizes throughout our conversation is the importance of experimentation and taking risks in photography. "I think it's too much to ask of readers to always follow the same formula or convention," he says. "Sometimes you need to break out of your comfort zone and try something new." This approach can lead to some really exciting and unexpected results.

For Ted, good layout is all about creating a sense of flow and balance, but it's also about leaving room for surprise and experimentation. By embracing the unknown and trying new things, photographers can push themselves creatively and produce work that truly stands out. As he puts it, "It's okay to make mistakes... sometimes they lead to something really great."

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis video is brought to you by Squarespace welcome back everyone in this video we're going to look at some mail that has been submitted by viewers like you this is something I've been doing on this channel for a long time if you are new here people send me mail they send me Zen and books and in the spirit of creativity i' like to share these with you and we got some awesome stuff today so let's Jump Right In All right so first up is this beautiful little book that comes to us from Bill mosy this is called Buckeye number 221 Bill also enclosed a note which reads dear Ted I hope this letter finds you well I'm enclosing a book that I made as a result of documenting the building of a custom banjo that now lives in my home I selected images and sequenced the book over the course of a book editing Workshop offered by the photographer Tim Carpenter for many years now I have been thinking about studying and attempting to make photos about the relationships between the Landscapes of the Blue Ridge Mountains and Central Appalachian Mountains and the musical cultures that surfaced in the region and still thrive in their most robust forms oldtime String Band music and Bluegrass are the most recognizable such musical forms still practiced I consider this small project chapter of sorts in a much larger work that I'm chipping away at kind of like one of Richard mro's desert kantos hope you enjoyed the book and look forward to any feedback you might offer much appreciated Bill Bill also sent me this beautiful little postcard which is pretty awesome so full disclosure for everyone here I actually know Bill he and I took a masterclass workshop together last May that's when we met Bill's a great guy he's a wonderful photographer and I think this is a great example of the work that he does Bill this is fantastic a couple things that I love the most about what Bill does is first of all his sense of composition is excellent I love the way he frames things up they're very clear in terms of the subject they're very different they're very unusual and there's a really cool flow that goes on here the other thing that I love that bill does is that he works kind of in these series and he kind of explained that in the letter that I just read a bigger series that he's chipping away at and he really is good at telling that story throughout and I love the idea of getting a custom banjo made and documenting that process and Bill this is absolutely wonderful I love it the only critic ISM I have if anything on here and Bill you probably already noticed this but it's the way that the black and white images are printed in this book tend to have a little bit of a green tint to them and a lot of that is file prep and depends on the kind of press that you have but as you work towards your larger work that you're doing I would really love to see you use a straight black and white process Bill shoots a lot in black and white it's got some great photos one of the things that I love that he did when we took that master class together is he has a whole series on swimming holes uh that are local in his region and it's really cool he's a great thoughtful photographer very talented bill you did an awesome job on this much appreciate you sharing man oh and before I forget people ask me all the time when am I going to do another Zen Workshop we have one planned this year for October so it's going to start on October 26 2024 I will put a link in the description if you want more information on that but these are Class Type formats that we use I do these online on zoom and so everybody will log in and we meet once a week and we meet you have an assignment that you will do for that week and then we meet again the next week and you'll start to build on that and the idea is that everybody's going going to make a Zen in this class and we've done this a couple times now it has been an enormous amount of fun we break from the format a little bit on the third week and I break you down into small group so you can get some one-on-one time with me and I'll actually give you a critique of what it is that you're working on we'll talk about ideas what's working what maybe isn't working and uh it's really been fun to see the work that people have produced in these it's been excellent I've shared some of that in these videos I'll link below in the description if you want more information on that but we do have Zen class coming up in October so I hope to see you there okay next up is a very interesting project that comes to us from Deeter kska this is called alone there is a dream on the horizon going to read you an excerpt from deeter's bio in this book it says my street photography candidly captures public life in unembellished scenes on the stage of public life exploring the narratives and poetic elements woven into the fabric of the streets the focus is on the visually powerful and expressive moments of urban life scenes in which the light casts new shapes colors and figures my visual language seeks a balance between richness and reduction I'll also read you a quote from the back of this book and this is from Wolf Gang zerbor which reads Beyond a factual documentary description Urban spaces become stages for a theater of real life in his multi-layered visual worlds precisely captured moments an unusual framing of what is seen and a feel for expressive lighting situations make what we would normally Overlook in everyday life appear special I think both of those quotes accurately sum up what I'm seeing in your work theater I love your style and I love what you're doing in here your sense of color is phenomenal I love things like this where you're coming up with a composition using the reflection so it's a composition within a composition some really really nice stuff in here and I really love the way that you work with light um there's always a dynamic contrast going on here between things that happen in bright areas and dark areas and you're not afraid to use both of those and you're doing it across all kinds of lighting like really high contrast light well as even lighting and then low light and that's one something that's really tough to do is to kind of have that range and then have something that you're consistently saying across all those things I love how you set things up you're working layers this is really phenomenal and if you guys are interested in getting a copy of this I will put a link to Bill's book this and everybody else that's in this video in the show description please support your fellow colleagues and deer thanks for sending this is really cool all right next up we have a few more pieces we're going to travel from Andalucia all the way to Lake Pasadena but first I want to give a shout out to our sponsor this week who are the always awesome folks over at Squarespace how easy is it to build an amazing website in a matter of minutes Squarespace has you covered it's 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returning this year in 2024 I'd appreciate any advice critique or feedback and know your critiques are never too harsh many thanks and kind regards Motas all right my friend a little critique and a little bit of advice here first of all one of the things that I love is that you've kind of been through this already once that you're in love with the location and this is something that really speaks to you and you're going back and I think there's something to be said for that there's this whole idea in this concept that I've talked to several people about lately of the idea of revisiting a scene and going back and there's really nothing wrong with that in fact sometimes you get to know it even better and sometimes that makes the work even better as you go and so it'll be really interesting to see how you improve doing that and I would go with the aim of doing another Zen and I would go with the aim of maybe coming up with a little more Direction you mix this up I think your strongest work in here is some of these architectural things you do really well with geometry and shape the street photographs I'm not as fond of but I think you could probably refine that into what it is that you want to shoot um if it's a religious service or something like that or just people uh I but I think your stronger work is the architectural work but I would go with that in mind I wouldn't try to cast The Net too wide and do too many different things and so I think that's one thing that will really help you the other thing that I want to see is actually I would recommend looking at other zenes looking at other book Publications looking at other photo work and seeing how the layout works and how it's printed I've mentioned this a lot of times before and one of my pet peeves here is don't make me shift the magazine to spin it around and look at something from a different angle everything needs to kind of be heads up and the reason I say that is sometimes when like this one it's obvious it's a street scene I know which way to turn but there are some that I was even filming the b-roll for this and I didn't have right side up so is one of them but it's kind of abstract and then when you go this way you realize that's the way it's supposed to go so don't do that please it's okay to let borders and white space on the page breathe uh a lot of people when you're starting out want to fill the page with everything and a lot of people go full bleed with everything and you don't have to do it it's better to let your photographs bleed I know you want to maximize the area but don't ever uh break the format of a Zen to make people want to turn it a certain way I think it's too much to ask of the reader and I don't think it uh well it creates an interruption with the work and I don't think it enhances or does much for it so those are the two things that I would think about and the way you get around that is just look at other work and see what other people have done with layouts go to the library the bookstore look at magazines even but but look at what is traditional with layout and you don't need to break those Norms unless there's an actual reason to do it but I would love to see you kind of Zone in on one specific thing and go for it I think that your typography is good your color work is good and uh yeah man have fun and you get to go back that's the other cool thing so uh there's something really to be said for that so um anyway good work and thank you for sharing next up is a Zen which comes to us from Colin Ward this is called in and around the lake photographs of Lake Pasadena and its creatures read you a little colins note here he says hi Ted I enjoy your channel and your book reviews I'm enclosing a book that I just made called in and around the lake a line from a song by yes oh I know it well I've lived near a small lake in Florida and I have taken photos there off and on for over 10 years I decided it was interesting enough to make a book of the photos that I plan to give copy to my immediate neighbors for Christmas I hope that you like looking at the book and the birds and the Animals there in cheers Colin Colin this is really nicely done and I think that you're on the verge of doing something that's really unusual and a little bit different I think some of these reflection photos in fact let me find one specifically this is a fantastic composition I love what's going on with color and light I would love to see you go more in this direction and experiment more with this and if you've been shooting this for 10 years you might even have some images and I would consider putting more of those in here it's another example of what I'm talking about these are gorgeous gous the other thing and the only criticism I would have in here is when you get into some of these bird shots there's a lot of symmetry and what I mean by this is when you have two pages on a spread or two images on a spread like this is that there is a relationship between each one of these images and I see a lot of these that end up being kind of mirror-like or it's the same composition or and I know sometimes it's the same bird but it's going to give you more interest if you're able to vary this up a little bit and what I would do is go through see what you've got and if you tend to shoot that way a lot I would consider even breaking that up a little bit because I think it's going to give you just a little more lift and a little more life to the Zen so like something like this which is you know I don't have these mirror spreads on here so it gives me a little bit more interest as somebody who's looking at this it challenges me a little more it shows me new ideas and then those relationships are so important anyway I love the yes quote here I love that song and uh anyway this is really awesome so thank you for sharing and I think it's great to make this as a gift and I hope your friends like it man all right so I will put links to everyone in the show description make sure you support your colleagues if you have any questions or comments make sure you leave those as well I will see you guys in the next video Until then laterthis video is brought to you by Squarespace welcome back everyone in this video we're going to look at some mail that has been submitted by viewers like you this is something I've been doing on this channel for a long time if you are new here people send me mail they send me Zen and books and in the spirit of creativity i' like to share these with you and we got some awesome stuff today so let's Jump Right In All right so first up is this beautiful little book that comes to us from Bill mosy this is called Buckeye number 221 Bill also enclosed a note which reads dear Ted I hope this letter finds you well I'm enclosing a book that I made as a result of documenting the building of a custom banjo that now lives in my home I selected images and sequenced the book over the course of a book editing Workshop offered by the photographer Tim Carpenter for many years now I have been thinking about studying and attempting to make photos about the relationships between the Landscapes of the Blue Ridge Mountains and Central Appalachian Mountains and the musical cultures that surfaced in the region and still thrive in their most robust forms oldtime String Band music and Bluegrass are the most recognizable such musical forms still practiced I consider this small project chapter of sorts in a much larger work that I'm chipping away at kind of like one of Richard mro's desert kantos hope you enjoyed the book and look forward to any feedback you might offer much appreciated Bill Bill also sent me this beautiful little postcard which is pretty awesome so full disclosure for everyone here I actually know Bill he and I took a masterclass workshop together last May that's when we met Bill's a great guy he's a wonderful photographer and I think this is a great example of the work that he does Bill this is fantastic a couple things that I love the most about what Bill does is first of all his sense of composition is excellent I love the way he frames things up they're very clear in terms of the subject they're very different they're very unusual and there's a really cool flow that goes on here the other thing that I love that bill does is that he works kind of in these series and he kind of explained that in the letter that I just read a bigger series that he's chipping away at and he really is good at telling that story throughout and I love the idea of getting a custom banjo made and documenting that process and Bill this is absolutely wonderful I love it the only critic ISM I have if anything on here and Bill you probably already noticed this but it's the way that the black and white images are printed in this book tend to have a little bit of a green tint to them and a lot of that is file prep and depends on the kind of press that you have but as you work towards your larger work that you're doing I would really love to see you use a straight black and white process Bill shoots a lot in black and white it's got some great photos one of the things that I love that he did when we took that master class together is he has a whole series on swimming holes uh that are local in his region and it's really cool he's a great thoughtful photographer very talented bill you did an awesome job on this much appreciate you sharing man oh and before I forget people ask me all the time when am I going to do another Zen Workshop we have one planned this year for October so it's going to start on October 26 2024 I will put a link in the description if you want more information on that but these are Class Type formats that we use I do these online on zoom and so everybody will log in and we meet once a week and we meet you have an assignment that you will do for that week and then we meet again the next week and you'll start to build on that and the idea is that everybody's going going to make a Zen in this class and we've done this a couple times now it has been an enormous amount of fun we break from the format a little bit on the third week and I break you down into small group so you can get some one-on-one time with me and I'll actually give you a critique of what it is that you're working on we'll talk about ideas what's working what maybe isn't working and uh it's really been fun to see the work that people have produced in these it's been excellent I've shared some of that in these videos I'll link below in the description if you want more information on that but we do have Zen class coming up in October so I hope to see you there okay next up is a very interesting project that comes to us from Deeter kska this is called alone there is a dream on the horizon going to read you an excerpt from deeter's bio in this book it says my street photography candidly captures public life in unembellished scenes on the stage of public life exploring the narratives and poetic elements woven into the fabric of the streets the focus is on the visually powerful and expressive moments of urban life scenes in which the light casts new shapes colors and figures my visual language seeks a balance between richness and reduction I'll also read you a quote from the back of this book and this is from Wolf Gang zerbor which reads Beyond a factual documentary description Urban spaces become stages for a theater of real life in his multi-layered visual worlds precisely captured moments an unusual framing of what is seen and a feel for expressive lighting situations make what we would normally Overlook in everyday life appear special I think both of those quotes accurately sum up what I'm seeing in your work theater I love your style and I love what you're doing in here your sense of color is phenomenal I love things like this where you're coming up with a composition using the reflection so it's a composition within a composition some really really nice stuff in here and I really love the way that you work with light um there's always a dynamic contrast going on here between things that happen in bright areas and dark areas and you're not afraid to use both of those and you're doing it across all kinds of lighting like really high contrast light well as even lighting and then low light and that's one something that's really tough to do is to kind of have that range and then have something that you're consistently saying across all those things I love how you set things up you're working layers this is really phenomenal and if you guys are interested in getting a copy of this I will put a link to Bill's book this and everybody else that's in this video in the show description please support your fellow colleagues and deer thanks for sending this is really cool all right next up we have a few more pieces we're going to travel from Andalucia all the way to Lake Pasadena but first I want to give a shout out to our sponsor this week who are the always awesome folks over at Squarespace how easy is it to build an amazing website in a matter of minutes Squarespace has you covered it's dead simple head over to w space hit get started you can start by selecting from an impressive collection of customizable templates or you can do what I do build your own something unique because you know you're not like other websites give your site a name next you can build your homepage we'll start with a few preset layouts just to get us going want to sell products like books or prints well you can feature those on your homepage create a few more sections if you want let's also give it a color palette there's a whole bunch to choose from and just get it started we can change this all later next let's select the typography choices welcome to your website everything is set up and it's all ready for you to customize Squarespace is built on fluid engine the next generation of website design select edit and fluid engine allows you to drag place and resize any element on the page you can snap these to a grid you can make them float on top of one another you can free form however you like you can even preview and adjust how the site looks on either desktop or mobile the layouts are independent of course you'll want a portfolio for your work creating an image gallery is as easy as dropping a folder of images on your web browser once uploaded you can drag to Resort customize the look and Squarespace writes all of the code for you everything just works and it looks fabulous want to sell your own prints books or Zen Squarespace has the capabilities to not only set up your online store and collect payments but they also give you all the tools that you're going to need to be successful managing shipping and payment options manage your orders and engage with your customers they even give you the tax tools that you need to keep things organized and stay compliant you should try Squarespace for yourself it's absolutely free no credit card required just go to squarespace.com aop sign up for that free trial if you decide Squarespace is right for you I can save you an additional 10% on your order by using offer code aop on checkout that's right the code is aop so stop procrastinating go build your website today and I want to give a special shout out and thanks to Squarespace for sponsoring this video all right so next up is this beautiful little Zen that comes to us from Motas Muhammad this is called photos from Andalusia people in places Motas also includes a note which reads in addition to being one of the most beautiful places on Earth I felt a strong emotional connection to Andalucia there's a rich history of stunning art poetry and literature in our Arab Muslim history that comes from here I mostly managed to read the stunning Arabic calligraphy on the walls of alumbra and other places which was mainly religious text Quran verses and poetry there is also the added painful layer of wars and more difficult history I couldn't bring myself to visit the Torture Museum or the Placo deos alvados since 2020 I have been looking for excuses to return and I am returning this year in 2024 I'd appreciate any advice critique or feedback and know your critiques are never too harsh many thanks and kind regards Motas all right my friend a little critique and a little bit of advice here first of all one of the things that I love is that you've kind of been through this already once that you're in love with the location and this is something that really speaks to you and you're going back and I think there's something to be said for that there's this whole idea in this concept that I've talked to several people about lately of the idea of revisiting a scene and going back and there's really nothing wrong with that in fact sometimes you get to know it even better and sometimes that makes the work even better as you go and so it'll be really interesting to see how you improve doing that and I would go with the aim of doing another Zen and I would go with the aim of maybe coming up with a little more Direction you mix this up I think your strongest work in here is some of these architectural things you do really well with geometry and shape the street photographs I'm not as fond of but I think you could probably refine that into what it is that you want to shoot um if it's a religious service or something like that or just people uh I but I think your stronger work is the architectural work but I would go with that in mind I wouldn't try to cast The Net too wide and do too many different things and so I think that's one thing that will really help you the other thing that I want to see is actually I would recommend looking at other zenes looking at other book Publications looking at other photo work and seeing how the layout works and how it's printed I've mentioned this a lot of times before and one of my pet peeves here is don't make me shift the magazine to spin it around and look at something from a different angle everything needs to kind of be heads up and the reason I say that is sometimes when like this one it's obvious it's a street scene I know which way to turn but there are some that I was even filming the b-roll for this and I didn't have right side up so is one of them but it's kind of abstract and then when you go this way you realize that's the way it's supposed to go so don't do that please it's okay to let borders and white space on the page breathe uh a lot of people when you're starting out want to fill the page with everything and a lot of people go full bleed with everything and you don't have to do it it's better to let your photographs bleed I know you want to maximize the area but don't ever uh break the format of a Zen to make people want to turn it a certain way I think it's too much to ask of the reader and I don't think it uh well it creates an interruption with the work and I don't think it enhances or does much for it so those are the two things that I would think about and the way you get around that is just look at other work and see what other people have done with layouts go to the library the bookstore look at magazines even but but look at what is traditional with layout and you don't need to break those Norms unless there's an actual reason to do it but I would love to see you kind of Zone in on one specific thing and go for it I think that your typography is good your color work is good and uh yeah man have fun and you get to go back that's the other cool thing so uh there's something really to be said for that so um anyway good work and thank you for sharing next up is a Zen which comes to us from Colin Ward this is called in and around the lake photographs of Lake Pasadena and its creatures read you a little colins note here he says hi Ted I enjoy your channel and your book reviews I'm enclosing a book that I just made called in and around the lake a line from a song by yes oh I know it well I've lived near a small lake in Florida and I have taken photos there off and on for over 10 years I decided it was interesting enough to make a book of the photos that I plan to give copy to my immediate neighbors for Christmas I hope that you like looking at the book and the birds and the Animals there in cheers Colin Colin this is really nicely done and I think that you're on the verge of doing something that's really unusual and a little bit different I think some of these reflection photos in fact let me find one specifically this is a fantastic composition I love what's going on with color and light I would love to see you go more in this direction and experiment more with this and if you've been shooting this for 10 years you might even have some images and I would consider putting more of those in here it's another example of what I'm talking about these are gorgeous gous the other thing and the only criticism I would have in here is when you get into some of these bird shots there's a lot of symmetry and what I mean by this is when you have two pages on a spread or two images on a spread like this is that there is a relationship between each one of these images and I see a lot of these that end up being kind of mirror-like or it's the same composition or and I know sometimes it's the same bird but it's going to give you more interest if you're able to vary this up a little bit and what I would do is go through see what you've got and if you tend to shoot that way a lot I would consider even breaking that up a little bit because I think it's going to give you just a little more lift and a little more life to the Zen so like something like this which is you know I don't have these mirror spreads on here so it gives me a little bit more interest as somebody who's looking at this it challenges me a little more it shows me new ideas and then those relationships are so important anyway I love the yes quote here I love that song and uh anyway this is really awesome so thank you for sharing and I think it's great to make this as a gift and I hope your friends like it man all right so I will put links to everyone in the show description make sure you support your colleagues if you have any questions or comments make sure you leave those as well I will see you guys in the next video Until then later\n"