The Beginning of an Exciting Era

At the beginning of this video I mentioned that AMD has unwittingly made it easier for competitors to catch up with their technology. Caveum Thunder x3, which was released about a month ago, give or take a month, is one such example. The caveum and thunder x2 system that I reviewed was an incredible system for Linux. With some elbow grease and optimization, even the most novice of users can unlock its full potential. I would argue that with the right knowledge and expertise, this system is not just a great value for the price point but also offers incredible performance and connectivity.

The Implications of AMD's Dominance

AMD's dominance in the market has led to significant changes in the Linux kernel and other operating systems. Many new technologies have been introduced, including encrypted virtual machines and advanced process scheduling. These changes are not just about providing better performance but also about expanding the capabilities of the operating system. The code paths in the wetware, or more precisely, the software development team behind these operating systems, didn't have to work as hard on these aspects before AMD came along. This is because, unlike my 3175 X system, which uses a single piece of silicon but still requires significant engineering effort to optimize its performance.

Sub-Numa Clustering: A Game-Changer

One aspect that AMD has made easier for competitors is the development of sub-numa clustering, also known as non-uniform memory access (NUMA). This technology allows for faster and more efficient data transfer between processors by reducing the physical distance between memory controllers. This may seem like a minor detail, but it has significant implications for performance and power consumption. ARM and other reduced instruction set CPUs are already benefiting from this technology, and it's likely that future systems will also adopt it.

The Future of Compute Platforms

With AMD's victory in the market, there is a good chance that new compute platforms will emerge to challenge the existing landscape. This could lead to a more diverse ecosystem with better support for various operating systems and hardware configurations. The idea of having x86 on both desktops and servers becomes more feasible, making it easier for users to switch between different platforms. However, this also means that the concept of "new compute platforms" is becoming increasingly blurred. With AMD's support and resources, it's possible that a new platform will emerge that surpasses the capabilities of existing ones.

The Possibility of an HP m2 Laptop

One idea that I would like to see is an HP m2 laptop with low-power HBM memory and 16 gigabytes of storage placed as close as possible to the CPU. If this were to become a reality, it would be an incredible laptop with compute capabilities that would put modern desktops to shame. The thought of having 8 threads and 16 gigabytes of memory in a laptop that's low-power enough to run on batteries seems like science fiction. While it may sound crazy, I hope that someone has already started working on this project or will soon be doing so.

The Future of Consoles

And finally, I'd like to leave you with the possibility of something even more exciting: a console that combines the best features of both desktop and laptop computers. This would require significant engineering efforts but could lead to some amazing innovations in the world of gaming. The idea of playing games on a device that's portable yet powerful enough to handle complex simulations sounds like a dream come true.

Stay Safe, Get Food Online, and More

As I wrap up this level one ramble, I want to leave you with a few parting thoughts. Make sure to stay safe online, get plenty of food, and do the grocery shopping online pickup thing. You can find me in the forums at level one text formed at level one text. I'm Windell, and I'll be seeing you there. Thank you for hanging out, and I hope you found this article entertaining.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enit might be that time again no no not that time not that time again no no just it's one of those rambling videos which call it a filler content yeah there we go hope everybody's home safe you know not getting infected with the thing the computing industry despite some setbacks it's actually getting kind of interesting Amy just announced rise in three parts which I plan to get and take a look at and see what's going on with those I thought we could touch base on not just frozen three but you know might be that was a catalyst for creating this because it's worth mentioning and talking about that for a second but sort of catching up on what's going on in the industry at least from my perspective on mobile desktop and workstations maybe we'll touch on servers a little bit with Intel and AMD but also you know there's a lot of third-party players here that are kind of lurking in the background and they could really come to the forefront you know manufacturing concerns and you know global situation concerns aside and they could really come to the forefront in kind of a quick way in a lot of ways AMD has actually helped out the situation on the server side in terms of how easy it will be for somebody else to come along and do stuff and I'll talk about that more in a second but let's start with the rise in three announcements start with desktop and go do desktop mobile and then server so desktop rise in three parts four cores four threads what is there to be excited about that well you know I probably wouldn't have been as excited about them except for the rise in 1600 AF if you've been living under a rock you're not familiar with the 1600 AF situation for deal hunters deal handsome bargain hunters or whatever you want to call yourself the 1600 AF has been the killer deal for about the past six months eight months something like that and you're thinking wait why is the first gen risin you know why is that exciting it's about $85 if you can find it and it's a basically of Rison 2600 in disguise so the rumor is that AMD ran out of 1600 dyes from Global Foundries so you sold all their silicon it's like shareholders pay attention Wow I mean they sold all the silicon remember the APU right down from a few years ago was a good situation but you know here we are it was like okay we're gonna have to rebuy it our better silicon as a 1,600 AF fortunately or unfortunately depending on whether or not you're a shareholder the 16 our AF is not available everywhere really it's good for those like non North American markets where disposable income is way less and so we're talking about you know a high-end machine for some of those markets might have $100 CPU and a 50 or $75 motherboard they're really low-cost machines from the North Americans perspective but that is another place where it's kind of flying under the radar a little bit of a tease totally changing the game because that you know again the 1600 AF processor it was just a complete game changer there and it's nice to see that the price point for one of the new rise and three CPUs is gonna be about $99 for course a trades which is you know it's it's the it's the low end but it's the incredible value and four cores for productivity and and basic stuff is you know it's fine what kind of computer would you get you know an elderly relative Raza three probably an APU really but Rison three maybe with a discrete graphics card there might be reasons for getting a discreet graphics card you might be doing a little bit of you know light something to learn taping use just not you know not gonna cut it I don't know but this announcement from AMD about Rison three is really pretty awesome let's talk about laptops so even he also watched a bunch of mobile CPUs they're killing it the battery life you know that was the thing that I was worried about killing it was battery life got a few designs you know it's it's apparent that AMD doesn't have the army of nerds that you know intel has enjoyed for last decade but gosh darnit with the nerds they do have doing an incredible job because you know intel I'm thinking about copy Texan Intel and the Computex keynote that Intel puts on they're always like look at these 73 models of laptop that are coming out and AMD has a lot of models of laptop but I think a lot of people are also cautious because if Intel responds with something really amazing out of you know out of the blue then you got to figure that out but look at the surface so like the surface the Microsoft Surface took a chance in use last gens one of Amy's last gen Rison parts and you could get the Intel version or you could get the AMD version and rumor has it this is just out of supply issues but there's articles that don't really look favorably on the AMD version of those mobile CPUs and those are technically last gen mobile CPUs last gen Zen cores I guess more accurately I would say battery life performance overall some things they perform well but a lot of the kinds of things that you would be using a surface for they don't really perform all that well so not a good look for AMD but the other reason that you would do this the other reason Microsoft would undertake this exercise is because they can see that the hardware that's coming down the pike is going to be good and because they already did all the work on the entire rest of the system the display keyboard i bought working out all the bugs there they're gonna be able to drop in modern AMD CPUs into that surface line and it's gonna be golden it's gonna be just amazing in the new rise in laptops they're just incredible I mean from Asus and you know Lenovo's got some models coming out and just every single one of them it's just you know incredible incredible features for the money there are some weird things like GPUs like if you want a super high end GPU you can't really do it and there's also some weird things around PCIe lanes like PCI Express 3.0 by 4 or by 8 for some things depending on the laptop model so maybe still working on some stuff there probably they didn't do PCA for for power management and power saving so it's not necessarily a bad thing it's just there are a lot of laptops that have for example an internal APU that has lots of PCIe connectivity to the CPU because it's all on one package and then there's less PCIe connectivity to the entire rest of the system so that's a little unusual but that may just be down to you know technically you know first generation products with this or adapting you know the old socket to the new socket not really sure just speculation just me jawboning there's probably a good engineering reason for that but what you need to know is that Amy's just killing it I mean even versus the we're finally seeing tenth generation Intel mobile parts and they're not bad but aim D they're doing really well there so what about thread refer well we're six months in with shredder for except for the 64 core which it's a little more recent trigger is still just killing it like it's it's just it's just dominating and Intel has actually released new Xeon CPUs new 31 like I've got the 31 75 X there's a 30 to 75 cascade Lake tibbitt trying so hard to get my hands on a 30 to 75 CPU to run it through the paces we get that really incredible EVGA sr3 dark it's a legendary motherboard socket 3647 six channels of memory this is an incredible incredible Intel system I mean I got to admit I've lusted after a system like that since I saw it the computer again this 2018 Computex I I was there I was front row I was right I was in front of Linus this is right behind me and yeah I mean there's a lot of stuff there because we saw the the 28 core running at 5 gigahertz with 3 horsepower killer yeah so three you know more than just a ridiculous amount of cooling five gigahertz have been perfectly happy with like four point three or four point four gigahertz on my 3175 X and it's actually you know the the CPU actually came from one of our fans to Zuri and like he overclocked and did a bunch of stuff to it and I tried to do some stuff for it and it's really it's an incredible CPU because it doesn't have the hardware mitigations either there's actually two stepping to the CPU one with Hardware mitigation the one without any way you should know like how much I lost it after that but it was just all kit justify the cost of this is just so insane and now thread Ripper is a thing and it's like you know so yeah just get to thread it for computers and it's for everything that I have been using thread Ripper for thread Ripper has been better more cores faster single thread more memory performance mostly there's a couple things who are having six channel memory really does help but on the EVGA sr3 dark it's I've got six slot sources eight on you know unlike the the Auris extreme motherboard like a ridiculous bills that I've been doing so Amy really is owning it here but the important thing to take away is that amy has actually been really busy making a lot of changes not a lot of changes but you know kind of a lot of changes to the platform updates improving device compatibility and this is really like Amy and partners like gigabyte working together to make more devices work you know bugs that I encountered on launch day where things like if I had a ton of nvme devices in a machine we're talking like six or eight sometimes when I would boot the devices would just sort of disappear one by one that was down to a combination of UEFI version and a particular motherboard and the particular in VMI's that I was using things like the system won't boot if I've got a Tesla plugged in like well that's the above or decoding now most motherboards have more options for above 4G decoding things like ridiculous nvme performance that's on the server side and he's still working on that one I'm in the loop on that and there are workarounds like Dell has incorporated a workaround in their UEFI that will let you prefer particular bus for i/o so if you're building a ridiculous storage system like lines to storage system or like the one that we put together with with a bunch of those Intel P 4500 nvme you could do that and the processor will prioritize IO for that so those are teething issues that didn't wash out with Naples and thread Ripper first and second generation but they are washing out with third generation thread River so it's an incredible platform for just a whole bunch of stuff things like SQL performance if you graph SQL performance of like the Xeon like 2650 2650 v1 2650 v2 26:50 v3 well 2650 at 20:50 v1 same same cpu then v2 v3 v4 and then the switch to socket 36:47 MN like the gold and platinum cpus the CPU cost goes up the cost per core goes up a little bit the clock speed comes down in that graph but the number of like SQL transactions serviced by a thread basically levels off and it just stays flat and so whether you buy in a Xeon 2650 or 2650 v for the performance per dollar did not have really improve for Microsoft SQL Server for four generations of xeon cpu and that really really frustrated a lot of system administrators myself included now you could pack more cores in and get more performance that way but the the performance for a given thread didn't really change and the price didn't really go down either it stayed about the same if anything it went up because there were other like things that you would have to worry about the the ddr3 the ddr4 transition that I mean and then the RAM prices and it was not a good time for servers but if you look at epic naples epic rome thread ripper a little bit although most people that are running you know enterprise there- run SQL Server on threader per maybe for testing and dev but not production so it's good comment below it looks like an exponential curve again like you should like it's not leveling off so there are a lot of people that are getting in test systems that are based on you know Naples and Rome but I think we're Andy's gonna knock it out of the park is fourth generation because AMD is moving so fast we've got epic Rome and we're going to see rise in 4,000 soon probably maybe possibly I don't know but epic Rome is already knocking it out of the park and unified cash and some of the other features that are coming we're gonna see it in the supercomputers if nothing else those features the enterprise still wants those even though everybody's work from home they really want those features so it's really just you know what a time to be alive in servers to bring that back to Rison three launches it looks like we don't know yet haven't tested it but it looks like the performance of the CPU if you look at the clock speed and you look at Zen twos performance it looks like these moons horizon three CPUs are gonna be a on about the same performance as like a Intel 7700 K 4 cores 8 threads CPU launched in January of 2017 it's about $350 and now we're at a part where it's like 99 or hundred and thirty dollars somewhere in that neighborhood because I mean the 1600 AF is close it's so close especially with a little bit of an overclock that's so close that is an incredible price drop in three years when you look at not you know the ecosystem with without AMD now like I said Intel makes some great products that make some innovative products Computex 2018 we saw Intel Edison that's something incredible invited innovative product loved Edison canned then we saw 5g and communications and all the stuff canned we saw a lot of stuff at twenty eighteen Computex it was almost like a de-emphasis on computing I remember commenting another time it's like you know Intel is all about computing and really amazing computing and it seems like they're throwing in the towel because Computex was not really about computing except we had to the 28 core but you know almost immediately people were like wait a minute you used the chiller and so immediately all of the wind in the sails of computing has been taken out and I don't know that the wind has returned in the intervening time I mean I really like the 3175 IX system but it uses like 700 watts of electricity at idle and my 32 4 thread Ripper system uses like 130 watts at idle and most of that I think is the GPU so I mean the thread Ripper system has just been an utter joy to compute on couple rough edges certainly Amy does not have the qualification budget of Intel but I'm willing to put up with some headache here because of the the pain that I've endured in past years but I am looking forward what Intel's coming up with because Intel has a lot of money and they're going to spend a lot of money and they're waking up and they're hiring and they're doing a lot of stuff so I think this is a really exciting time now at the beginning of the video I mentioned sorry I mean there's giving you some background um get a little rambling here at the beginning you at the video I mentioned that AMD has unwittingly made it easier for competitors caveum thunder x3 that's the thing came out about a month ago I think give or take hunt for the month ago six weeks something like that caveum the cavity and thunder x2 system that I reviewed it was an incredible system for Linux so with if you put a little elbow grease into it optimized to do some compiling you know you have a system administrator that knows what they're doing and understands your business and can make some tweaks which admittedly is not super common but if you have that a caveum thunder x2 system was an incredible system to work with just incredible for the price point performance the connectivity that it offered just really nice because everybody is retooling from a pure Intel ecosystem to an AM the you know supported eco sisters a lot of changes to the Linux kernel I am these bringing you a lot of new technologies like encrypted virtual machines and you know things like process scheduling and Chiclets and Oh operating system architecture is factoring in here and so the the code paths in the wetware the code paths and the people in other words the developers that have to work on this didn't have to do nearly as much work on these parts of the operating systems before AMD came along because we just didn't have the hardware unlike my 3175 X system even though it's a single piece of silicon because of the physical distance between the memory controllers you can actually run it as non-uniform memory access for a latency benefit it's called sub Numa clustering it's a whole other thing like you didn't even know until I told you about that probably right I mean some of you did but it's fine so there's a whole lot of computer science that goes into this and so those code paths in the wet layer as long as those people are working on the kernel and the operating systems are going to be handy for competitors of both Intel and AMD people like arm and arm is awake an ARM arm and other reduced instruction set CPUs are coming I don't know if it's going to be the cavity and thunder x4 I don't know if it's gonna be new via I don't know what it's going to be risk 5 I mean risk 5 is doing some incredible things in the space that they're working in it's gonna be a while before they get to density servers but because people have been making optimizations for the AMD platform it is going to be easier to find talent somewhat I think and people are going to be more used to modifying a software to suit the hardware I mean I know you have the source code but it's not just a matter of recompiling there's also compiler optimization there's also bugs in the compiler optimization it's Turtles all the way down so you've got to have people who are used to making those kinds of modifications and also doing that kind of debugging which is hard to do well we've got the computational resources to do it and we've also got the experiential resources in the engineers that are doing it so I hope that AMD's victory is long lived here but we could see we could actually see an era where new compute platforms come to the surface and or become more popular than they've been able to in the past because hey I've got x86 on my desktop I want x86 on the server it may be so easy to hop platforms because of good support for the operating system and everything else that that will be less of a thing in the future don't know so what would I like to see you might be thinking well one thing I would like to see is an HP m2 laptop I mean it sounds crazy but low power HBM to putting the memory as close as possible to the CPU about 16 gigabytes of it hey if we can have to your memory access where I've got you know another 16 gigabytes of memory somewhere else eight threads and a laptop low-power that'd probably be an incredible incredible laptop I hope somebody has built a prototype or something like that somewhere even if it uses a ridiculous amount of power just to experience if the compute capabilities of that are completely insane and I know what you're thinking consoles that sounds like a console well GGG r6 and yeah I don't know that's gonna be story for another day I'm Windell this has been a level one ramble I'm signing out you can find me in the forums at level one text formed at level one text I Cal I'm one the help signing up I'll see you there and thanks for hanging out and stay safe and get plenty food and do the grocery online pickup thing see you later youit might be that time again no no not that time not that time again no no just it's one of those rambling videos which call it a filler content yeah there we go hope everybody's home safe you know not getting infected with the thing the computing industry despite some setbacks it's actually getting kind of interesting Amy just announced rise in three parts which I plan to get and take a look at and see what's going on with those I thought we could touch base on not just frozen three but you know might be that was a catalyst for creating this because it's worth mentioning and talking about that for a second but sort of catching up on what's going on in the industry at least from my perspective on mobile desktop and workstations maybe we'll touch on servers a little bit with Intel and AMD but also you know there's a lot of third-party players here that are kind of lurking in the background and they could really come to the forefront you know manufacturing concerns and you know global situation concerns aside and they could really come to the forefront in kind of a quick way in a lot of ways AMD has actually helped out the situation on the server side in terms of how easy it will be for somebody else to come along and do stuff and I'll talk about that more in a second but let's start with the rise in three announcements start with desktop and go do desktop mobile and then server so desktop rise in three parts four cores four threads what is there to be excited about that well you know I probably wouldn't have been as excited about them except for the rise in 1600 AF if you've been living under a rock you're not familiar with the 1600 AF situation for deal hunters deal handsome bargain hunters or whatever you want to call yourself the 1600 AF has been the killer deal for about the past six months eight months something like that and you're thinking wait why is the first gen risin you know why is that exciting it's about $85 if you can find it and it's a basically of Rison 2600 in disguise so the rumor is that AMD ran out of 1600 dyes from Global Foundries so you sold all their silicon it's like shareholders pay attention Wow I mean they sold all the silicon remember the APU right down from a few years ago was a good situation but you know here we are it was like okay we're gonna have to rebuy it our better silicon as a 1,600 AF fortunately or unfortunately depending on whether or not you're a shareholder the 16 our AF is not available everywhere really it's good for those like non North American markets where disposable income is way less and so we're talking about you know a high-end machine for some of those markets might have $100 CPU and a 50 or $75 motherboard they're really low-cost machines from the North Americans perspective but that is another place where it's kind of flying under the radar a little bit of a tease totally changing the game because that you know again the 1600 AF processor it was just a complete game changer there and it's nice to see that the price point for one of the new rise and three CPUs is gonna be about $99 for course a trades which is you know it's it's the it's the low end but it's the incredible value and four cores for productivity and and basic stuff is you know it's fine what kind of computer would you get you know an elderly relative Raza three probably an APU really but Rison three maybe with a discrete graphics card there might be reasons for getting a discreet graphics card you might be doing a little bit of you know light something to learn taping use just not you know not gonna cut it I don't know but this announcement from AMD about Rison three is really pretty awesome let's talk about laptops so even he also watched a bunch of mobile CPUs they're killing it the battery life you know that was the thing that I was worried about killing it was battery life got a few designs you know it's it's apparent that AMD doesn't have the army of nerds that you know intel has enjoyed for last decade but gosh darnit with the nerds they do have doing an incredible job because you know intel I'm thinking about copy Texan Intel and the Computex keynote that Intel puts on they're always like look at these 73 models of laptop that are coming out and AMD has a lot of models of laptop but I think a lot of people are also cautious because if Intel responds with something really amazing out of you know out of the blue then you got to figure that out but look at the surface so like the surface the Microsoft Surface took a chance in use last gens one of Amy's last gen Rison parts and you could get the Intel version or you could get the AMD version and rumor has it this is just out of supply issues but there's articles that don't really look favorably on the AMD version of those mobile CPUs and those are technically last gen mobile CPUs last gen Zen cores I guess more accurately I would say battery life performance overall some things they perform well but a lot of the kinds of things that you would be using a surface for they don't really perform all that well so not a good look for AMD but the other reason that you would do this the other reason Microsoft would undertake this exercise is because they can see that the hardware that's coming down the pike is going to be good and because they already did all the work on the entire rest of the system the display keyboard i bought working out all the bugs there they're gonna be able to drop in modern AMD CPUs into that surface line and it's gonna be golden it's gonna be just amazing in the new rise in laptops they're just incredible I mean from Asus and you know Lenovo's got some models coming out and just every single one of them it's just you know incredible incredible features for the money there are some weird things like GPUs like if you want a super high end GPU you can't really do it and there's also some weird things around PCIe lanes like PCI Express 3.0 by 4 or by 8 for some things depending on the laptop model so maybe still working on some stuff there probably they didn't do PCA for for power management and power saving so it's not necessarily a bad thing it's just there are a lot of laptops that have for example an internal APU that has lots of PCIe connectivity to the CPU because it's all on one package and then there's less PCIe connectivity to the entire rest of the system so that's a little unusual but that may just be down to you know technically you know first generation products with this or adapting you know the old socket to the new socket not really sure just speculation just me jawboning there's probably a good engineering reason for that but what you need to know is that Amy's just killing it I mean even versus the we're finally seeing tenth generation Intel mobile parts and they're not bad but aim D they're doing really well there so what about thread refer well we're six months in with shredder for except for the 64 core which it's a little more recent trigger is still just killing it like it's it's just it's just dominating and Intel has actually released new Xeon CPUs new 31 like I've got the 31 75 X there's a 30 to 75 cascade Lake tibbitt trying so hard to get my hands on a 30 to 75 CPU to run it through the paces we get that really incredible EVGA sr3 dark it's a legendary motherboard socket 3647 six channels of memory this is an incredible incredible Intel system I mean I got to admit I've lusted after a system like that since I saw it the computer again this 2018 Computex I I was there I was front row I was right I was in front of Linus this is right behind me and yeah I mean there's a lot of stuff there because we saw the the 28 core running at 5 gigahertz with 3 horsepower killer yeah so three you know more than just a ridiculous amount of cooling five gigahertz have been perfectly happy with like four point three or four point four gigahertz on my 3175 X and it's actually you know the the CPU actually came from one of our fans to Zuri and like he overclocked and did a bunch of stuff to it and I tried to do some stuff for it and it's really it's an incredible CPU because it doesn't have the hardware mitigations either there's actually two stepping to the CPU one with Hardware mitigation the one without any way you should know like how much I lost it after that but it was just all kit justify the cost of this is just so insane and now thread Ripper is a thing and it's like you know so yeah just get to thread it for computers and it's for everything that I have been using thread Ripper for thread Ripper has been better more cores faster single thread more memory performance mostly there's a couple things who are having six channel memory really does help but on the EVGA sr3 dark it's I've got six slot sources eight on you know unlike the the Auris extreme motherboard like a ridiculous bills that I've been doing so Amy really is owning it here but the important thing to take away is that amy has actually been really busy making a lot of changes not a lot of changes but you know kind of a lot of changes to the platform updates improving device compatibility and this is really like Amy and partners like gigabyte working together to make more devices work you know bugs that I encountered on launch day where things like if I had a ton of nvme devices in a machine we're talking like six or eight sometimes when I would boot the devices would just sort of disappear one by one that was down to a combination of UEFI version and a particular motherboard and the particular in VMI's that I was using things like the system won't boot if I've got a Tesla plugged in like well that's the above or decoding now most motherboards have more options for above 4G decoding things like ridiculous nvme performance that's on the server side and he's still working on that one I'm in the loop on that and there are workarounds like Dell has incorporated a workaround in their UEFI that will let you prefer particular bus for i/o so if you're building a ridiculous storage system like lines to storage system or like the one that we put together with with a bunch of those Intel P 4500 nvme you could do that and the processor will prioritize IO for that so those are teething issues that didn't wash out with Naples and thread Ripper first and second generation but they are washing out with third generation thread River so it's an incredible platform for just a whole bunch of stuff things like SQL performance if you graph SQL performance of like the Xeon like 2650 2650 v1 2650 v2 26:50 v3 well 2650 at 20:50 v1 same same cpu then v2 v3 v4 and then the switch to socket 36:47 MN like the gold and platinum cpus the CPU cost goes up the cost per core goes up a little bit the clock speed comes down in that graph but the number of like SQL transactions serviced by a thread basically levels off and it just stays flat and so whether you buy in a Xeon 2650 or 2650 v for the performance per dollar did not have really improve for Microsoft SQL Server for four generations of xeon cpu and that really really frustrated a lot of system administrators myself included now you could pack more cores in and get more performance that way but the the performance for a given thread didn't really change and the price didn't really go down either it stayed about the same if anything it went up because there were other like things that you would have to worry about the the ddr3 the ddr4 transition that I mean and then the RAM prices and it was not a good time for servers but if you look at epic naples epic rome thread ripper a little bit although most people that are running you know enterprise there- run SQL Server on threader per maybe for testing and dev but not production so it's good comment below it looks like an exponential curve again like you should like it's not leveling off so there are a lot of people that are getting in test systems that are based on you know Naples and Rome but I think we're Andy's gonna knock it out of the park is fourth generation because AMD is moving so fast we've got epic Rome and we're going to see rise in 4,000 soon probably maybe possibly I don't know but epic Rome is already knocking it out of the park and unified cash and some of the other features that are coming we're gonna see it in the supercomputers if nothing else those features the enterprise still wants those even though everybody's work from home they really want those features so it's really just you know what a time to be alive in servers to bring that back to Rison three launches it looks like we don't know yet haven't tested it but it looks like the performance of the CPU if you look at the clock speed and you look at Zen twos performance it looks like these moons horizon three CPUs are gonna be a on about the same performance as like a Intel 7700 K 4 cores 8 threads CPU launched in January of 2017 it's about $350 and now we're at a part where it's like 99 or hundred and thirty dollars somewhere in that neighborhood because I mean the 1600 AF is close it's so close especially with a little bit of an overclock that's so close that is an incredible price drop in three years when you look at not you know the ecosystem with without AMD now like I said Intel makes some great products that make some innovative products Computex 2018 we saw Intel Edison that's something incredible invited innovative product loved Edison canned then we saw 5g and communications and all the stuff canned we saw a lot of stuff at twenty eighteen Computex it was almost like a de-emphasis on computing I remember commenting another time it's like you know Intel is all about computing and really amazing computing and it seems like they're throwing in the towel because Computex was not really about computing except we had to the 28 core but you know almost immediately people were like wait a minute you used the chiller and so immediately all of the wind in the sails of computing has been taken out and I don't know that the wind has returned in the intervening time I mean I really like the 3175 IX system but it uses like 700 watts of electricity at idle and my 32 4 thread Ripper system uses like 130 watts at idle and most of that I think is the GPU so I mean the thread Ripper system has just been an utter joy to compute on couple rough edges certainly Amy does not have the qualification budget of Intel but I'm willing to put up with some headache here because of the the pain that I've endured in past years but I am looking forward what Intel's coming up with because Intel has a lot of money and they're going to spend a lot of money and they're waking up and they're hiring and they're doing a lot of stuff so I think this is a really exciting time now at the beginning of the video I mentioned sorry I mean there's giving you some background um get a little rambling here at the beginning you at the video I mentioned that AMD has unwittingly made it easier for competitors caveum thunder x3 that's the thing came out about a month ago I think give or take hunt for the month ago six weeks something like that caveum the cavity and thunder x2 system that I reviewed it was an incredible system for Linux so with if you put a little elbow grease into it optimized to do some compiling you know you have a system administrator that knows what they're doing and understands your business and can make some tweaks which admittedly is not super common but if you have that a caveum thunder x2 system was an incredible system to work with just incredible for the price point performance the connectivity that it offered just really nice because everybody is retooling from a pure Intel ecosystem to an AM the you know supported eco sisters a lot of changes to the Linux kernel I am these bringing you a lot of new technologies like encrypted virtual machines and you know things like process scheduling and Chiclets and Oh operating system architecture is factoring in here and so the the code paths in the wetware the code paths and the people in other words the developers that have to work on this didn't have to do nearly as much work on these parts of the operating systems before AMD came along because we just didn't have the hardware unlike my 3175 X system even though it's a single piece of silicon because of the physical distance between the memory controllers you can actually run it as non-uniform memory access for a latency benefit it's called sub Numa clustering it's a whole other thing like you didn't even know until I told you about that probably right I mean some of you did but it's fine so there's a whole lot of computer science that goes into this and so those code paths in the wet layer as long as those people are working on the kernel and the operating systems are going to be handy for competitors of both Intel and AMD people like arm and arm is awake an ARM arm and other reduced instruction set CPUs are coming I don't know if it's going to be the cavity and thunder x4 I don't know if it's gonna be new via I don't know what it's going to be risk 5 I mean risk 5 is doing some incredible things in the space that they're working in it's gonna be a while before they get to density servers but because people have been making optimizations for the AMD platform it is going to be easier to find talent somewhat I think and people are going to be more used to modifying a software to suit the hardware I mean I know you have the source code but it's not just a matter of recompiling there's also compiler optimization there's also bugs in the compiler optimization it's Turtles all the way down so you've got to have people who are used to making those kinds of modifications and also doing that kind of debugging which is hard to do well we've got the computational resources to do it and we've also got the experiential resources in the engineers that are doing it so I hope that AMD's victory is long lived here but we could see we could actually see an era where new compute platforms come to the surface and or become more popular than they've been able to in the past because hey I've got x86 on my desktop I want x86 on the server it may be so easy to hop platforms because of good support for the operating system and everything else that that will be less of a thing in the future don't know so what would I like to see you might be thinking well one thing I would like to see is an HP m2 laptop I mean it sounds crazy but low power HBM to putting the memory as close as possible to the CPU about 16 gigabytes of it hey if we can have to your memory access where I've got you know another 16 gigabytes of memory somewhere else eight threads and a laptop low-power that'd probably be an incredible incredible laptop I hope somebody has built a prototype or something like that somewhere even if it uses a ridiculous amount of power just to experience if the compute capabilities of that are completely insane and I know what you're thinking consoles that sounds like a console well GGG r6 and yeah I don't know that's gonna be story for another day I'm Windell this has been a level one ramble I'm signing out you can find me in the forums at level one text formed at level one text I Cal I'm one the help signing up I'll see you there and thanks for hanging out and stay safe and get plenty food and do the grocery online pickup thing see you later you\n"