**A Critical Analysis of AMD's Press Presentation: A Review of Every Single Slide**

As I embarked on recording this video, I was met with an overwhelming sense of déjà vu. The presentation I was about to review was not unlike any other press conference or product launch event that AMD has hosted in the past. With every slide, I found myself wondering if this would be a repetitive exercise in reading the same information over and over again. But, as is often the case, the devil lies in the details.

One of the most striking aspects of the presentation was its focus on performance. The slides were filled with charts and graphs showcasing the impressive capabilities of AMD's latest offerings. From the X570 motherboard to the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs, every aspect of AMD's lineup was touted as a significant improvement over its predecessors. And, in many cases, it was true. The presentation included detailed benchmarks and test results that demonstrated the raw power and speed of these new chips.

However, as I delved deeper into the presentation, I began to notice a pattern. Many of the slides were identical to those seen earlier in the presentation, with little to no changes or updates. This led me to wonder if AMD was simply rehashing the same old marketing materials rather than providing any truly new information.

But, I pressed on, determined to get every last slide. And so, I made my way through the 51 slides of the presentation, taking in as much information as possible. From the technical specifications of each motherboard and CPU to the promised features and benefits, it was a veritable feast of data. And, while some of it was indeed interesting and informative, other parts felt like they were dragging on far too long.

As I reached the midpoint of the presentation, I began to feel a sense of fatigue wash over me. The repetition was starting to get to me, and I found myself yawning more than once as I scrolled through slide after slide of identical information. But, I persevered, driven by my determination to see every last slide.

And then, just when I thought it was all over, I hit the final slide - a disclaimer stating that this presentation was indeed the last one. It was a moment of relief, followed closely by a sense of disappointment. For, as I reflected on the presentation as a whole, I couldn't help but feel that AMD had missed an opportunity to truly engage with its audience.

One notable aspect of the presentation was the emphasis on RAM caching. The slides highlighted how this feature could greatly improve performance in certain applications and workloads. And, while it's true that adding more RAM can often lead to improved performance, I couldn't help but wonder if this was something that AMD had been aware of for some time and simply hadn't bothered to include in its marketing materials.

But, on a more lighthearted note, I did find myself chuckling at the absurdity of it all. At one point, the presenter read out a long paragraph from AMD's press release, only to pause and look around awkwardly before realizing they had nothing else to say. It was a moment of levity in an otherwise dry presentation.

As I finished recording this video, I couldn't help but feel a sense of exhaustion. The sheer volume of information presented over the course of 50 minutes was overwhelming, and I found myself struggling to keep my eyes open at times. But, despite the fatigue, I knew that I had done something worthwhile - every single slide from AMD's press presentation has now been made available for your viewing pleasure.

**A Final Note: The Footnotes**

As I prepared to wrap up this review, I realized that I had promised you that I would include every last detail from AMD's press presentation. And so, as a final act of service, I have included the footnotes and disclaimers from each slide. It's not always easy reading, but I hope that by including these in their entirety, you will get a better understanding of the information presented.

**Disclaimer: The End**

And so, with that said, this concludes our review of AMD's press presentation. As promised, every single slide has been made available below for your viewing pleasure. If you have any questions or comments about what you've seen here, please don't hesitate to reach out. And if you'd like to see more reviews and coverage of AMD's products, be sure to subscribe to my channel - with that big huge red button directly below.

**Links and Resources**

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello and welcome to tech deals deep dive into rise into the 2,600 2,600 x20 720 700 X that just launched in April of 2018 this is going to be a long video more than 50 slides are incoming so grab some coffee some redbull or whatever you need sit back relax and prepare for a very long voiceover of the entire AMD press slide presentation with my comments observations notes and a little bit of humor on everything to do with these new processors the new motherboards some new technologies that came with them and some recommendations if you want a deep detailed look and everything to do with these processors you've come to the right place if you want to see my launch review that'll be linked down in the description below it's much shorter than this you can get some benchmark numbers there as well but this is for somebody who wants the complete look also linked in the video description below will be links to all four new processors and the AP use as well as well as motherboards to both Amazon and Newegg those are affiliate links they do support the channel if you found this deep-dive useful hopeful and informative please use those when shopping it really does make a difference and with that being said on with video first of all we're starting with the second slide of an B's presentation not the first because well this one's prettier to look at second generation AMD rise in desktop processor yes it's a lovely logo that brings us to actually the first slide of it which is cautionary statement now this is a legal investor statement I won't read it to you but the gist of it is while there's many statements in this slot in these slides that are forward-looking and projecting such as a.m. for support until 2020 these aren't actually guaranteed and legally they have an out if they have to change it for any reason yes I know boring legal language next slide now this one is important Rison changed high-end computing in 2017 and that was absolutely true I said when Rison launched last year in March of 2017 it was the most important desktop processor launch in ten years I was correct then and I stand behind that statement it has moved the entire industry raise your hands in the audience if you believe we would have six core and up come 8-core coffee lick processors if Rison hadn't changed the business it is worth noting that prior to rise in launching intel was charging $1,000 for an 8 core 16 thread processor and yeah now they're not so that is a big big change the other big change is the fact that four core has now become entry-level I 3 is used to be 2 core 4 thread now I key I 3s or 4 core it is worth noting that they now provide a 4 core 4 thread 3.7 gigahertz processor with actually good integrated graphics for $99 that would have been unthinkable just a year ago this is a marketing recap slide from AMD and it's all true except some of it matters more than others 40% plus market share at strategic tailors in third quarter 2017 that's not a cherry pick number but the reality is rise it is in fact selling very well and it is very competitive compared to the old FX processors rosin thread Ripper is an amazing thing for $1000 they are offering you 16 true processing cores 32 threads for the same money that Intel just a year ago wanted for eight processing cores and 16 threads it is also a better platform with 64 PCI Express Lanes quad channel ram and a bunch of other things it really is interesting rise and Pro is not important whatsoever to anybody watching my videos and Rison Mobile has not taken off the way a lot of people were hoping it would yes rising mobile chips launched last year and yes they do exist but not enough main companies have really made it a thing to get much penetration now this slide is a bit of a recap of what I just said a minute ago about the fact that rise in being the most important CPU launch in 10 years Intel launched a Core 2 quad 10 years ago and it has not basically changed on the desktop since it has been possible for Intel to do 6 cores 12 threads on the desktop for a long long time after all look at the x58 75 and other chip series that go into the very old x58 motherboards and yet we never really got consumer processors at that level because Intel had no reason to give them to us and then poof Rison comes along in 6 months later we have 6 core coffee like now that we've got eight core processors it is all but confirmed that there will be eight core sixteen thread coffee lake chips later in the year biostar has leaked Z 390 chipsets yes another new chipset what can I say that's probably coming in third or fourth quarter of 2018 I'm Intel of course there's not confirmed any of this but it's pretty well known at this point no on the laptop AMD likes to talk about the fact that they've now moved to quad core on mobile and that's true but again they have not had the same level of market penetration that they have on the desktop for whatever reason companies love slides like this it's filler and lets the presenter talk for a bit and that's pretty much what they do but I won't do that so next slide so far - for 2018 in January we got rise in processors for laptops of Vega graphics which again have not had a huge market penetration but they do certainly exist then in February we got the rise in APU so they don't call them ap use anymore they've dropped that term mostly because the previous ap use were pretty subpar now we have rise and processor with Radeon Vega graphics which frankly I think apu is a better term that is the 2200 G and the 2400 G which I've done a bunch of benchmarks on in fact I have 17 different game performance videos with live gameplay on the 2200 G on my channel those are impressive processors and the value for the money is extreme it is worth noting those are the new low end chips there are no low-end mainstream rise and chips without integrated graphics rise in 320 200 G replaced the 1200 and the 1300 X and the rise in 520 400 G replaced the 1400 and 1500 X the mainstream processors that have now launched rise in 5 2,600 2,600 X and up are all six or eight core chips rise and Pro mobile processors are launching which means nothing to any of you and the second-generation rise in pro processors and second half again means nothing that's a business certification thing that's a quality control thing for companies and large organizations none of those mean anything the next major law you're gonna see in 2018 is second-generation thread Ripper expects similar performance gains along with risin wonder Eisen 2 which is higher clock speeds improved memory support another motherboard probably ex 499 I would imagine but that's coming in the second half of 2018 and of course if you already have a thread Ripper it's probably not gonna be worth upgrading just like rising 1 to 2 is generally not worth upgrading but if you've been holding out or thinking about it that is coming probably in six months time another slide basically saying the same thing I said before 2400 G and 2200 G amazing value for the money I give both of these two thumbs up they may very well be the deal of 2018 even with the new rising ships launched the truth is for $99 you get 4 cores 4 threads and good integrated graphics at the Nvidia GT 1030 or close to it level because that graphics card is basically $100 you're almost getting a free CPU I would like to point out that a year ago to get 4 cores 4 threads from Intel you had to buy an i5 7400 for a hundred and eighty dollars and it has terrible integrated graphics and this does not so this is a huge value for the money now that was last year and it's not the comparison that AMD wants to make instead they're looking at the current generation I 580 400 comparing it to a Rison 520 400 G please note this is not apples to apples I 580 four hundred is six cores 6 threads pet Rison 520 400 G is 4 cores 8 thread so it straddles it but with the integrated graphics that comes with it it absolutely is GT 1030 worthy and so yeah look at the value for the money there are a couple of caveats here in the United States and I 584 hundred is not $199 you can find them for about 175 plus or minus 5 dollars but it's also worth noting the Rison 520 400 G has also been discounted and you can regularly find it on Amazon and Newegg for about $10 less than this the GT 1030 has actually been over $100 for a lot of 2018 because a cryptocurrency miners but it's starting to come back down but this entire argument misses the point for basically lower price than just the CPU you the cpu plus really good graphics have I mentioned what a good deal the rise in desktop processor with Radian Vega graphics actually just noticed at the top of the page it does say Verizon desktop APU this might is this the first time I've seen that from AMD cuz they actually went out of the way to say we're calling these CPUs with Vega graphics so there you go APU is right on the page and another fluff slide because that's what these companies do but it's not just AMD to be honest with you I've seen the slides from Intel they do the same thing rise in doubling down for enthusiasts well yes and no but it is in fact an improvement here is a summary slide of a lot of information and they will talk about this later in various slides in more detail but here's the summary higher clock speeds yes precision boost - yes lower latencies on the more performance is actually probably the most important soldered integrated heat spreader yes thank goodness now the AP users are not soldered and so they have less overclock ability but these are soldered and that's what really matters the new wraith prism cooler which we'll talk about in a minute yes that matters the new chipset less so store in my technology I will probably do a video on that the truth of the matter is the big big changes here are more about an evolution rather than a revolution but it is a refinement in many respects and yay coolers included finally now this slide exists primarily because this was a pre briefing before launch which I actually didn't receive I got this about 12 hours before launch day because it wasn't included in the launch but they did send me a copy to make a video on so I appreciate that now the rise in 720 700 X at 329 suggested retail price in the United States is the cream of the crop processor the Rison 520 600 X is also worth considering it's $100 less at 229 I personally believe that most people should skip the Nanak chips this time around and so does AMD which is why AMD did not sample those to any of the reviewers they only sent out the X chips now I have bought both the non X chips and I will show you side-by-side comparisons but the truth is company sample what they really believe is gonna sell Intel for example sampled the i5 8400 and the i7 8700 K they did not sample the i5 8600 K because even Intel knows that's a pretty stupid processor because frankly if you're gonna go to a Kay chip and overclock and put liquid cooling on it and go high-end you're buying an i7 or you should same thing here there's only a $30 price difference the coolers on the X chips are better wraith prism and rates fire on the 2x chips versus the wraith spire and then the wraith stealth on the two non x chips 7 and 5 respectively higher clocks better bidding better coolers guaranteed performance for 10% more money by the X processors regardless of anything else well I don't think I need it or does it really matter just buy the X chips that's really what AMD is selling here AMD is now going to compare the Rison 720 700 X to the i7 8700 K this is a marketing slide designed of course to make them look good which is why the gaming performance number here is that 1440p and not 1080p let me just help you out at 1080p the i7 8700 K is 10 to 15 percent faster than the Rison 720 700 X but we are however comparing hundreds of frames per second to hundreds of frames per second on high-end video cards less so on lower end video cards but then the gap narrows a bit when you have a lower end v if you have a three gigabyte GTX 1060 there is not a 10 to 15 percent performance difference if you have detail and higher ultra because you're more GPU limited put a 1080 Ti in and yes that's true but then you're really getting into a corner case in the market the number of people who are gonna buy a 350 dollar processor a 1080 TI to play at 1080p to guarantee 144 frames per second or get as close to it as possible is a very very small slice of the market fine if you're that person guess 8700 K might make sense for everyone else on earth Rison 5 and Rison 7 the X chips make more sense now the creative performance number here is fair true and accurate the reality is for non gaming applications for content creation 3d animation video rendering video editing don't knock trying to scrub 4k 60 frames per second video in Adobe Premiere Pro even on a 6th core processor if you have a lot of effects or multiple video feeds in there it really can slow down 8 core 16 threads does make a difference and that's why transition to rise in seven last year from my six core twelfth read broad well II I did notice a difference Premiere Pro in edit not just render but an edit was smoother and easier to work with so it really does make a difference live streaming again the lower latency Xin the eighth course helps especially for Triple A games there's a lot to like about the 2700 X the only real deficiency it has is 1080p over a hundred plus frames per second gaming with a 1080 Ti the primary comparison here is the Rison 720 700 X to the i7 8700 K the 2700 X comes with an excellent premium cooler roughly equivalent to a hyper 212 Evo in terms of cooling capability whereas the i7 8700 K doesn't come with a cooler at all and you would have to buy one now a hyper 212 actually will cool III 780 700 K just fine at stock speeds at 4.3 gigahertz but it certainly will not let you get much overclocking out of it it also costs more not quite the 369 suggested retail price that's here but it's still about 20 or 30 dollars more expensive than the rise and it also tends to take more expensive motherboards but not terribly so because I would not install a 2700 X on an under 100 hour motherboard even though you can I wouldn't in some respects I wouldn't make this comparison I would actually compare the rise in 520 600 X to the i7 8700 K because they're both 6 cores 12 threads the clock speeds are similar okay the rise is a little slower but in most games you're gonna get virtually the same gaming performance whether you have the rise in 5 or the risin 7 and the rise in five 2600 X is 229 instead of 329 and that chip yes I would install on less expensive motherboards now part of this slide was already shown earlier so I won't go into too much detail other than to say that the two main things here that matter are the higher clock speeds and the lower latencies yes it's the first 12 nanometer processor big deal how does that translate into performance well it does make it higher clock speeds and it does allow them to optimize it but that doesn't really matter to the end-user the truth of the matter is it is a refinement of the first generation Reisman Rison not an evolution but it is faster and it is better just to be clear Rison 720 700 X is faster than the risin 7 1800 X of the previous generation for a whole lot less money now this part right here is going to be overlooked in a lot of the initial reviews and frankly a lot of coverage because people have been trained to look at clock speed only the better cache latency across the chip the better memory latency is just as important is the actual clock speed itself clock for clock the risin 7 2,700 X is going to feel faster and be more responsive than a risin 7 1700 or 1800 X even at the same clock speeds because of this right here now is it going to magically make your benchmarks faster no is it going to make video renders faster no it makes the system more responsive and snappy it basically kicks it up a notch and just makes everything run a little bit smoother and a little bit cleaner it's not a revolution but it is a very nice evolution more hype about the 12 men and meter processor it does lift the clock speeds however I do take exception to the all core over clocks are now around 4.2 gigahertz on the wraith prism cooler that's included my risin 720 700 X does not run at 4.2 gigahertz when all the cores are being used even in a non ATX workload just stressing the CPU I get about 4 gigahertz out of it now with a high-end aftermarket cooler would it go faster yes is it possible to get 4.2 gigahertz on all the cores yes don't bother it's a mind it's a 5% clock speed difference you're looking at a 2 to 3% real-world performance difference these are actually fairly minor variations so while they pitch that as what it's capable of I ran stress testing on this for hours both in just CPU usage as well as AVX FBA usage and I wasn't seeing 4.2 gigahertz with the included right there's no cooler I have not as of the recording of this video put a knock to addy 15 on this yet I will but of course that makes no sense that's a $90 tower cooler and if it takes $90 to get three more percent performance that's a poor value for the money that $90 should be put into graphics card SSD RAM or something else but yes I suppose it's technically possible with enough cooling this is a marketing slide if there ever was one there is truth in this it is an improved platform it does use less power per watt but these results are awfully darn cherry-picks so just keep in mind that all the companies are guilty of doing this but the power draw at the same clock is the rise in five chips and then the performance at the same power are the rise in seven non X chips so we've got both X and non X and six core and eight core to demonstrate the point is is they specifically pick this to give the best-looking numbers on a chart all the other chips are likely to have not this much improvement they will have an improvement just keep in mind that when you're looking at marketing charts you're generally looking at the absolute best case scenario cuz they're trying to sell processors this does not take away from how good Rison really is I do recommend it but marketing another marketing slide and for those of you wondering why am i pitching the marketing and why am I even including marketing slides instead of just talking about the core features as they matter to you I'm doing every slide in this presentation and sharing with you my take on everything that AMD provided I don't see a lot of other people doing it it's a deep dive and I certainly hope you appreciate it left side of multi-threaded performance X chips right side performance per watt non X chips and the non K chip from Intel so again they're not wrong and these are true numbers but they're picking specific chips to basically demonstrate each point that they want to make now I can actually show you intel slides and I should have actually next time Intel launches a product that I have this other slides I'll do this exam assuming you guys like this and it gets views I'll do this same type of video and break those down so I'm not playing favorites but just do keep in mind that when they present a slide like this and have to slide as X chips and the other half isn't they are in fact picking the results that tell the story they want to tell if it helps my rise in 7/7 hundred that I'd built back in March of 2017 and that I used up until I replaced it with a sky like X because Intel's nice enough to send me one now look what I have fought one to replace it no but they did so I did it is faster but the risin seven 1700 is still downstairs and I still use it every day I didn't retire I didn't get rid of it it's still incredible value for the money and it really is good enough for 4k 60 frames per second video editing it's about 25% slower than the sky like x8 core chip that I have but the truth is it's really only 25% slower in render speed editing is about the same and everything else is about the same and frankly if I were buying a machine with my own personal money Rison really is the best deal so don't take my criticism of marketing slides to in any way shape or form dissuade you from buying horizon because if I had to pick between horizon 720 700 X than an i7 8700 K today it's the rise in 7th all day long AMD's cents in my technology actually sort of existed and rise in one as well but they've updated it now it's extended frequency range to imprecision boost to yay number increments this is actually real stuff it does make a difference but at the end of the day what you care about is the overall performance not what fancy technologies are inside the chip it just matters how well and how smoothly do your programs run and this stuff all helps with that now precision boost too is worth another slide and of all the little sensor my technologies it is worth noting that this is the most improved in my opinion versus Rison one in Rison one basically you had a one or two core boost speed and then it dropped down beyond that so for example a rise in seven 1800 X beyond about two cores was always going to run it only 3.7 gigahertz out of the box there really wasn't any fine-grained improvement as basically the core count increased now there is they've removed the limitations and made precision boost what it should have been in the first place which is it continues to boost the chip until it runs either into a voltage limit power delivery limit or temperature limit what this means in net effective terms is the CPU is already overclocking itself about as well as it can given the cooler that you have installed the ambient air temperature the power delivery available on your motherboard etc this is also why I would not recommend putting a 2700 X on a cheap 60 or $80 be 350 board the power delivery isn't as good the VRMs aren't as good you really want a better board because you're gonna get a smoother better power delivery we are in fact running eight cores 16 threads at over 4 gigahertz at times that does make a difference as you can see here we've got clock speeds between 4.0 and 4.2 anywhere from all the threads down to just 2 to 4 threads in typical workloads between 4 & 8 threads you're looking at about 4 point 1 gigahertz go to 8 threads are beyond and you're starting to drop down to 4 gigahertz which is what I saw during my stress test where all 16 threads were fully loaded but what this does mean is that if you put a better cooler on the CPU you'll get an extra one or two hundred megahertz out of the chip if you already own a better cooler and you're planning on using it you will get a small boost I would not however go out and just buy a better cooler just to get another 100 megahertz out of the chip this is a comparison video they've provided basically to show you what I described before the 3.7 gigahertz on the rise ins have an 1800 X once you got beyond a couple of cores it just dropped down to 3.7 and there it ran it didn't have any grain or basic adjustment to it it works differently in the sense that now it runs as fast as it can within the limits of temperature power delivery and voltage this basically means that overclocking the chip manually is in fact pretty pointless unless you dramatically upgrade your cooling or you want to tweak the settings or manually override the voltage and punch a bunch more voltage into your chip which I don't recommend it will work but you will shorten the life you'll increase power consumption dramatically you'll increase heat generation dramatically you basically pay a lot of heat temperature noise power consumption for another 100 or 200 megahertz at most even on superior high-end cooling systems just buy it and run it at stock speeds because it quotes stock speeds it is Auto overclocking itself on a per thread basis as far as it can with basically that your limitations that you've got in your system build ambient temperature etc just to further make the point they provided another slide to show the difference between cooling solutions the 95 watt cool basically is the Wraiths spire cooler it would be the risin seven 2700 non x cooler for the 95 watt cooler the prism gives you either 4% and they provided a knock to a d 15s which is the slim version which gives you an additional 3% boost or a 7% boost over the Wraith spire now it is worth noting that to get that 7% boost notice it's 20 C ambient instead of 32 C ambient yet that's one of those little asterisk details that makes it really easy to miss put them both in 32 C ambient you're probably looking at one or two percent more performance and yeah that's not really worth a $90 tower cooler now is it five non-gaming performance benchmarks you provided between the 2700 X and the 8700 K I've personally already tested Cinebench r15 and yep that number is pretty much correct I have not personally tested the other four but frankly these are so unbelievably easy for everybody in the world to compare I'll take their word for it seriously these are these are these numbers here are true and correct if you are doing multi-threaded content creation you're crazy to buy an 8700 K overall risin 720 700 X it clearly is superior in this application gaming well we'll talk about that in a minute I want to give AMD props and credit here 1080p gaming results when they launched the original Rison 7 they focused really heavily on 1440p and 4k results and kind of ignored the 1080p gaming because they knew the rise in 7 1700 did not really compete all that well in terms of performance charts with the i7 7700 K which was the then top-end CPU they went ahead and did 1080p ultra this time these are not bad results yes the i7 8700 K does beat rise in most of the time not tremendously so but it does beat it I would like to point out that they did conveniently provide the 60 Hertz and 144 Hertz lines on this chart to demonstrate that both chips will run all these games at 60 frames per second without an issue and will run above that just fine as well turn the detail down from ultra to high and all of these numbers do go up a bit the i7 87 okay numbers will go up a little bit more in fairness lower the detail and it does pull ahead a bit next-generation graphics cards it'll pull ahead a little bit as well if you want 144 frames per second Triple A gaming at 1080p and you're willing to buy the best graphics card on the market which is currently a 1080 TI and then replace it with the 1180 or 2080 or whatever Nvidia calls it fine buying 8700 K it will be faster for that application for everyone else 1440p 4k or 1080p gaming up to about a hundred frames per second there's essentially very little or no difference in fact if all you care about is gaming I don't know that I would buy a rise in 720 700x if you care about the value for the money and you're going with a mid-range graphics card at GTX 1060 at gtx 1070 the Rison 520 600 X maybe a better value for the money and now that they were honest with the 1080p gaming we have 1440p high gaming here between the 2700 X in the 8700 K boy look at all those numbers they are awfully darn similar in fact most of those are so close they are rounding errors yes for example in hitman you can see there in the middle hitman is in fact a couple of frames per second faster on the 8700 K do you really believe you'll see the difference between 96 frames per second and 93 frames per second no you're not going to and those are averages and they'll be up and down from there but they're so closest to be essentially the same now a couple of games f1 2017 Grand Theft Auto 5 do show a larger difference those games are heavily Intel based to be sure but look at the numbers they're up like a hundred to one hundred and forty frames per second now one common complaint here is that these chips are both being run at stock speeds and after all Kent the 8700 K overclocked to 5 gigahertz on all the cores yes it can can the 2700 xB overclocked no not really it's at its limit it's essentially pushed as far as it's gonna go so these numbers will get better within 8700 K at 5 gigahertz please note that's expensive to do 280 millimeter liquid cooler dr. D 15 Dok ruk pro for a nice quality motherboard good airflow in your system those things are expensive to accomplish in short you're looking at about a 200 ish dollar price difference between these two CPUs if you want the 8700 K at 5 gigahertz about 650 dollars for the 8700 k vs 450 dollars for the 2700 X and I'll remind you you can knock that down by $100 by going with the 2600 X and you'll still be pretty close to these results now for whatever reason AMD decided to provide multi-threaded benchmarks between the 2600 X and the i-580 600 K why I don't know because if you're doing content creation you shouldn't be on either one of these Rison 720 700 X for the win but whatever here they are yes we're about 20% faster across the board on the 2600 X gaming performance numbers won't look like this current games today the i5 8600 K will be a little bit faster than the 2600 X by a couple of percent not a lot so yeah between these two chips I'd buy 2600 X same story different day 1080p ultra gaming between the 2600 X and the i5 8600 K again the 2600 X comes with the Wraith spire cooler the i-580 600 K doesn't come with a cooler at all you go out and buy a cooler and you overclock it a nice motherboard and all of a sudden you're spending a bunch of money now the I 580 600 K is currently priced about the same so these chips in terms of price are roughly comparable please let me remind you that the 2600 X has 12 threads it is 6 cores 12 threads whereas the i5 8600 K is 6 cores 6 threads I really believe the rise in 520 600 X is more comparable to the 8700 K and I will show those results when I do my review on it I will also show the results on the i-5 80 600 K but frankly I think it's a silly CPU and nobody should buy it because you have to buy a cooler and inexpensive board and if you're gonna overclock it then just get an i7 8700 K of 5 q Gertz is important to you that's my opinion I know some people disagree with me on that but from the Intel side of things it's i7 or bus now we have 1440p highgate gaming detail between these two and again it's same story different chart basically they're neck-and-neck without benchmarks running I would like to point out that if you put these two systems side by side didn't tell you what they were hid the computers and how'd you play on them one after the other and go back and forth between them I don't actually think most people could pick out which is which they are so close and performance so then it comes down to price well the price of these is basically the same then it comes down to motherboard well the motherboard price is the same except the Rison 520 600 X will install on cheaper boards it does come with a cooler and it does have a motherboard that will have platform support until 2020 which the eighty-six hundred K won't and you are supporting the company that kind of moved the industry along which there's something to be said for that as well as opposed to the one that had to be dragged kicking and screaming into more than four cores that's not gonna matter to some of you but personally all else being equal I'd rather give AMD the money do note that's not being a fanboy I want to give AMD money for graphics cards - but Vega is atrocious and I recently did an updated review on Vega and basically said yeah this is just sad and tragic and no one should buy one because right now NVIDIA has better graphics cards with lower power consumption and better performance so I'm not supporting the underdog just to support them they have to have good products this here is a good product I hope the next graphics card from AMD has whoever designed Rison running it because if they do then they're really gonna give Nvidia a push and that's something I think we could all root for and then we go from those wonderful results to another marketing slide more performance yay first - oK you've seen all this before I kid you not these presentations they do are so long and they say the same thing 16 different ways but in fairness they have anywhere between 500 to a thousand people listening to these conference calls when they do it so they want to make sure they get everybody covered it's a slide that's marketing yay can we give two thumbs up to AMD for soldering the integrated heat spreader here now for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about intel stop soldering back on Sandy Bridge in 2011 Ivy Bridge in later have cheap toothpaste they put under there it lasts a long time it saves them a few cents per processor but the reality is it does make the chips hotter and it reduces their overclocking this is what deleting is if you've heard the term D living before basically that takes off the integrated heat spreader that big piece of metal that you see that's not the chip that's just a heat spreader take that off actually put liquid metal or other better thermal compound or solder underneath on the chip itself reattach the thermal of integrated heat spreader and then you can often get several hundred megahertz more or a 20 degree C temperature drop it really does make a huge huge difference companies have been formed to just do this one called Silicon Lottery which is actually done in Houston Texas does this where basically they deal in chips and sell them to you pre-tested pre overclocked and they run much much cooler there is no need to deal it arise in 720 700 X because they're already soldered and that's why they run faster and cooler even though they have eight cores versus the six on the i7 8700 K unlocked multipliers on all the chips yeah good thing only the K chips from Intel are unlocked all of the risin chips even the nonon chips are in fact unlocked the new wraith prism cooler is awesome it's got four direct contact heat pipes it's fully RGB very nice and then the rise in master 1.3 software if you want to play around with overclocking which frankly I don't think you should so in this case I actually don't recommend it just use it as it comes out of the box the irony is I gave that huge speech and forgot this slide was next so this is kind of like everything I just said integrated heat spreader it is a better design for heat transfer no need to deal it it's done right the first time in fact you really shouldn't try to deal in these because they're soldered you'll probably break the chip trying it's technically possible but it's very very hard to do unlocked multipliers for the wind what's it gonna take for Intel to get rid of this silly k chip nonsense or well at least sell them as premium chips and simply unlock the multipliers on other processors with the recent launch of the B 360 and the H 370 boards and the H 310 which no one should buy what they did is they came up with some additional I 5 processors they now have an i-5 80 400 and I five eighty five hundred and an i5 eighty six hundred in addition to the I 580 600k really seriously each one of those chips except the k chip is locked with a one or two hundred megahertz clock speed increase that's nuts that is way too many SKUs and we really need to get away from that I really hope that when the next generation of Intel chips come out they do away with this and say fine all Intel chips are unlocked go for it the new wraith prism cooler is an evolution over the old wraith max cooler this is not the same as they've been including for a few years even on the later generations of the old FX chips they had something similar to this this does not have a copper plate on the bottom it is direct contact heat pipes basically the heat pipes on the bottom are shaped flat it directly contacts the CPU itself so even the first generation rise in Wraith max isn't the same as this they have also in addition to the RGB ring made the fan transparent so the entire thing is RGB it is nicer and better it is quiet but it is not silent the right spire is silent the right spire is really really silent so if you care about the noise to the point to where you want to completely silent system and you want included cooler that might actually be a reason to buy either the 2600 X or 2700 because those come with a raid spire this is quiet but under full a 260 for stress testing it's audible now inside a computer case under your desk it won't be as bad but if silence is important something like an octave a u9s which is a 95 millimeter by 95 millimeter mid-sized tower cooler might be worth considering it's not cheap you're gonna spend 50 to 60 dollars on buying one but it is utterly silent and a superior cooler I've done a review of that that'll even cool the 10 core I 970 900 X just fine at least it sucks speeds at thermal throttles overclocked but it does just find its stock and it would be an upgrade over this do I think most people should buy it no unless silence is the most important thing you want now there are two switchable fan profiles on this there's a loud and a quiet mode you can turn the speed down a bit in you can turn the RGB off for as it says there are GB heathens if you don't want RGB there's a switch you can turn it off and never see it again the rise of master software has been updated to 1.3 there are more options in here per core detection there there is the fastest core detection option in here which basically lets you know which of the course is fastest and you get your boost on those cores they know which cores in each chip which will be different um each CCX module for example is going to have a fastest core marked on it and those will be the ones that get the highest single core boost speed you can mess with this if you want there's a built-in stability tester you can do per CCX overclocking per core overclocking you can play with this until the cows come home all the time in effort spent on this is gonna give you maybe three percent more performance all things considered maybe five ish percent more performance if you spend a lot of money on an aftermarket cooler is this really where you should spend your time no I don't think so buy it uses it comes that's what I'm going to do and that's what I recommend 99% of you do if you're into open-loop coolers and custom stuff and you want to tweak to the max well I hate to say this to be completely honest but you're probably watching the wrong Channel and we have slide slides and more slides I promised you every single slide from this presentation and you're getting it but that kind of says what I've already said the final part is the smarter platform of the second generation rise in CPU and actually some of these are quite interesting I will go into some more detail on these in future reviews but for now let's go through each slide and cover them briefly one thing AMD does deserve credit for is planned support until 2020 if you bought into am for last year and you bought maybe a horizon 5 1500 X or 1400 you want to upgrade now you can maybe you bought a rise in 5 1600 X and you're like well this all looks nice but I'm gonna wait another year not to worry rise in 3 and 2019 will also work the plan is rise in 4 in 2020 will also work on these motherboards now there are improvements with each generation of motherboard you give up a little bit but not a ton at least now we don't know for sure what features you'll lose Oh ddr5 and pci-express for our coming around then so there may be motherboards updated with those features but not having to replace your motherboard not having to rip your computer apart just upgrade your CPU is definitely not something Intel's doing I mentioned before an eight-core 16th red coffee Lake is coming the Z 390 chipset is coming yes we're getting yet another chipset and no my understanding is that the eight core coffee Lakes will not work in the z3 70s which were just released less than a year ago which replaced the z2 70s which were released Intel's making too many chipsets let's all agree on that point so this is really really good and ambi deserve credit for that the next thing I want to give AMD credit for is simplifying the product line Rison one had too many SKUs to rise in threes for Rison 5s and three rise in sevens were simply too many intel does this this is this is just too many chips and AMD did it and they simplified it now we have to AP use one rise in three and one rise in five both with excellent integrated Vega graphics then we have to rise in 5s and to rise in 7s honestly in my opinion this could have been simplified even more and just had one rise in five 2600 X and one rise in seven 2700 X but I understand they're trying to meet the price point and motivate people to step up and spend another $30 which I think you should but this is a better environment now there is no rise in 720 800 X to replace the 1800 X yeah well actually no since this is launched I've been hearing rumors they may be releasing one this summer though we don't need one but they might do it with a clock speed bump if they can refine it a bit maybe get that clock speed to four point five who knows if you have if you already own a first-generation and you're on the fence maybe wait till the summer and see if that happens that's a rumor not confirmed no official sources but I've now seen it in three different places so either everybody's repeating the same rumor or maybe it's a part of type in they're working on it who knows but for now the 2,700 X is king of the hill random side know for anybody who says oh great I'll wait for the next thing do keep in mind that March of 2019 we'll get rise in 730 700 X and then March of 2020 we'll get rise in 740 700 X there will always be something around the corner ice lake is coming maybe early 2019 which is the ten nanometers shrink from Intel Tiger Lake is coming after that which is the new architecture on the ten nanometer shrink and then sapphire rapids is coming after that which yeah so there's always going to be a new CPU release like every six months for like the next five years now that leads us into the new x4 70 motherboard should you buy one well if you already own an x3 70 no keep your x3 70 if you don't I would generally buy the x4 70 it is a refinement it does have lower power consumption it does have a couple of other new technologies included this store mi technology for example but the truth of the matter is the x3 70s are also just fine and if you already have one don't worry about it AMD came up with a sticker design so if you buy a 300 series chipset well you can know that it's rise in desktop mm ready this was an excellent idea poorly executed because you can't look at the box when you're buying online if you order from Amazon or Newegg they ship from one of multiple warehouses out of both new and old stock and you can't be assured of what you'll get what they should have done was incremented the model numbers of the motherboard and basically retired the old model numbers just incremented it by one or put it to at the end of it or something to indicate that it was basically 2000 ready so that you could go to the product page on Amazon and Newegg can be absolutely sure of what you're buying as it stands right now I can't make you any promises as to a motherboard you buy online as to whether it's ready I also can't make you any promises that that sticker is correct I have heard reports that there are boards with that sticker that work with the Rison ap used the 2200 G and the 2400 G but don't work with the 2700 X or 2600 X there was one or two biases back in November in December that did support the AP use but didn't actually support these if you're buying a 2700 X and you don't own a board buy a 400 series board seriously if you're going to buy a rise in 520 600 or 20 600x and you want to buy a be 350 well what can I say you either buy from a place that offers easy returns or you might have to take your chances or wait for the B 450s which are coming summer of 2018 store mi or store me or however they pronounce that technology deserves a video all in its own I might do a raffle review on this I honestly haven't decided yet because I'm so sold on SSDs exclusively that frankly I don't want hard drives in my computer builds at all most of my systems these days have no hard drives at all my skylake X system has no hard drive my risin 7 1700 has no hard drive my i7 8700 K twitch streaming machine has no hard drives in it but I also acknowledge that I am in a unique position that I get sent enough SSDs I can afford to do this because I got a stack of them on the shelf most people don't do that and people still use hard drives I get that so you'll have to let me know in the comment section down below just how badly you want this reviewed because it's hard to get motivated when I don't use hard drives anymore here's the short short version are you familiar with Apple fusion drive that's what this is in a nutshell if you're not let me explain it first of all working from the bottom up this is free with the x4 70 motherboards you don't have to pay anything extra but it doesn't come with the 300 series you gotta buy a 400 series works with any storage device doesn't have to be a specific one doesn't have to be hard drive SATA SSD and via me any storage device works no formatting no partitions upgradable at any time you can activate it and deactivate it without having to reinstall windows this is a super important point you can try it change it customize it you don't have to wipe your drives and start over which most of these sort of technologies usually require now what makes this smart is the fact that it moves or migrates not copies your most-used blocked to your fast storage if you have a 256 gigabyte SSD which is by the way the largest size it supports and you have a one terabyte hard drive you essentially end up with 1.2 terabytes of total space you can pair this with as large a hard drive as you one it's actually up to 32 terabytes which doesn't exist so if you have a four terabyte or an eight terabyte hard drive you can combine that with a 256 gigabyte SSD and you gain the capacity of both drives think of it like gluing two drives together a 256 gig SSD plus whatever size hard drive you want to attach to it you get the capacity of both and up to two gigabytes of your system Ram can also act as cash now that's cash that doesn't add to the storage space but it does improve the performance it'll put the most frequently used blocks there as opposed to just on the SSD now interestingly enough it does not have to be a hard drive using an nvme drive or even an op tain drive you could have a 256 gigabyte nvme drive and then a one or two terabyte SSD and actually fuse those together so the very fastest blocks on the nvme drive actually accelerate the entire system if you want a premium machine that actually might be something worth considering one of the most exciting parts of this is the fact that you can have one drive letter and basically merge or fuse the two drives together where I see this being the most useful is if you buy a pre-built machine let's say you go out and buy a Dell Acer or something else or even a CyberPower or I buy power and it does not come with an SSD or it only comes with an SSD this works both ways you can grow your space without having to reinstall windows I've done many videos in the past of having to clone windows from a hard drive to an SSD in order to actually be able to use the fast speed of the SSD to boot your system if you buy a computer would say a 2 terabyte hard drive you can go out and buy a 256 gig SSD and fuse them together without reinstalling Windows and then boom you'll have a faster storage solution likewise if you go out and buy a computer that only has an SSD and you're like man I need some more space but I don't wanna have to move my files around or reinstall my programs because I want to move them to the hard drive by a 2 or 3 or 4 terabyte hard drive and fuse it to the 256 gig SSD that you've got boom C Drive one drive letter more space that actually is an interesting application or so than just the acceleration in my opinion here AMD is provided a benchmark fourteen point seven seconds versus forty one point four seconds this is a comparison of World of Warcraft character select two playable now just like the other marketing slides that I showed you this is obviously cherry-picked designed to make it look really really good and I expect most situations wouldn't be this good I don't know how many times they did it it is worth noting that you have to train it in other words you have to use your computer when you first set it up you probably won't notice a big difference after you've used your computer for a few days after you've launched all your games reboot your computer several times it will start to speed up and get faster please note that if you launch a game that you've not run in a while and it's blocks are on the hard drive there's no performance improvement this assumes that you just ran World of Warcraft and thus World of Warcraft is actually on the SSD run other games those who get moved to the SSD and World of Warcraft will get moved back to the hard drive for those of you playing the home game yes this will increase the number of rights to your SSD I'm not currently bothered by this cuz SSDs have our ridiculously long life and the average person is never gonna wear one out but if you really use your machine hard this actually is in the background moving data back and forth between the hard drive and the SSD and does run the risk of using up your your write allowance or your total terabytes written faster than you otherwise would and more benchmarks here and this right here is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to do a full review of this because it is going to involve a lot of background testing in order to bring you honest independent results I can put up a chart I can do a couple of tests but I really would want to play with this enough hours and possibly over several days or a week to really get a sense of how much improvement it is because I can show you charts and I can time launches but the real question is in day-to-day use does it provide a perceptible performance increase doing this will require I set one up and actually start using it and not benchmarking it to be able to just tell you yes it's worth it no it's not based upon I used it for a week again let me know in the comments below how much you care here we see the performance jump if you add the RAM cache to it news flash Rams a lot faster than an SSD well yes that shouldn't be a surprise this simply provides an easy way to do it and of course if you've got 16 gigs or more then I would definitely turn that on because clearly it's faster and of course we now have a summary of what we just talked about um even though we're about 50 minutes into this video I'm about three and a half hours into recording it because I look everything up and research it and everything before I do this it's a marketing slide what can I say if any of you are still watching this video at this point bless your hearts I'm so glad that you're here now aren't you guys all glad you weren't on the conference call with AMD we're yet another slide saying the same thing again comes up and they then read the whole thing to you again for the next three to five minutes I'm not going to do it it's the same stuff you've already seen now does this slide look familiar it should because it was earlier in this presentation look down to the bottom left-hand corner you might see the number 51 this is the 51st slide and yes this slide is in here again saying the same thing again so very rarely do the footnotes get included whenever you see these slides and videos and many channels do put these slides into videos or you'll see these slides put onto various sites like Tom's Hardware or an antec or other sites but very rarely do you get the footnotes which contain all the details behind the benchmarks numbers testings etc now I'm not gonna read this to you of course and hopefully if you're watching this on a full-sized monitor you can read this text I am rendering and uploading this video at 4k so YouTube should have a copy good enough that you can read that ridiculously fine print it's there if you want it otherwise well we'll move on thought you were done with the fine print no there's a little bit more of it but don't worry we'll move on to the next slide you can pause the video if you want to read this gotcha you thought we were done with fine print and slides again pause it read it if you want all the details of the tests and benchmarks that AMD did now I will admit I'm trying to think of a joke about what happens when the fourth page of fine print comes up on the screen and I can't think of one so there it is there is a Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy joking here somewhere because this is number 5 and it's definitely not restaurant at the end of the year are so long and thanks for all the fish but this should be the last one now that was the last slide for the footnotes now there's a disclaimer this really is the last slide but I promised you at the beginning of this video you would get every single slide in this presentation and so you're looking at it if any of you are still here thank you bless you and I appreciate it I know those last few slides were kind of boring with all the footnotes and disclaimers but I did promise you every single slide from the AMD press presentation and there you go now the press presentation was actually shorter than my video because I gave a lot of analysis and comparisons in there whereas they sort of read the slides too a lot of the time I hope you found this useful informative and interesting as I mentioned below everything's linked down below as well as my launch review with some benchmarks and there will be more benchmarks and tests coming I do have two X 470 boards I actually have two more that you haven't seen yet I will be doing a variety of comparisons with both old and new CPUs Intel and AMD for the next month or so expect a lot of coverage on this on my channel like this video if you like it share it with your friends if you loved it remember to subscribe to my channel with that big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section and it's always video description it's there there's links and stuff be sure to follow me on Twitter go follow me on Twitch if you're interested in my live streams and we have a discord down there as well if you'd like to engage in both voice and text chat with the tech deals community thanks so much for watching I will see you in the next videohello and welcome to tech deals deep dive into rise into the 2,600 2,600 x20 720 700 X that just launched in April of 2018 this is going to be a long video more than 50 slides are incoming so grab some coffee some redbull or whatever you need sit back relax and prepare for a very long voiceover of the entire AMD press slide presentation with my comments observations notes and a little bit of humor on everything to do with these new processors the new motherboards some new technologies that came with them and some recommendations if you want a deep detailed look and everything to do with these processors you've come to the right place if you want to see my launch review that'll be linked down in the description below it's much shorter than this you can get some benchmark numbers there as well but this is for somebody who wants the complete look also linked in the video description below will be links to all four new processors and the AP use as well as well as motherboards to both Amazon and Newegg those are affiliate links they do support the channel if you found this deep-dive useful hopeful and informative please use those when shopping it really does make a difference and with that being said on with video first of all we're starting with the second slide of an B's presentation not the first because well this one's prettier to look at second generation AMD rise in desktop processor yes it's a lovely logo that brings us to actually the first slide of it which is cautionary statement now this is a legal investor statement I won't read it to you but the gist of it is while there's many statements in this slot in these slides that are forward-looking and projecting such as a.m. for support until 2020 these aren't actually guaranteed and legally they have an out if they have to change it for any reason yes I know boring legal language next slide now this one is important Rison changed high-end computing in 2017 and that was absolutely true I said when Rison launched last year in March of 2017 it was the most important desktop processor launch in ten years I was correct then and I stand behind that statement it has moved the entire industry raise your hands in the audience if you believe we would have six core and up come 8-core coffee lick processors if Rison hadn't changed the business it is worth noting that prior to rise in launching intel was charging $1,000 for an 8 core 16 thread processor and yeah now they're not so that is a big big change the other big change is the fact that four core has now become entry-level I 3 is used to be 2 core 4 thread now I key I 3s or 4 core it is worth noting that they now provide a 4 core 4 thread 3.7 gigahertz processor with actually good integrated graphics for $99 that would have been unthinkable just a year ago this is a marketing recap slide from AMD and it's all true except some of it matters more than others 40% plus market share at strategic tailors in third quarter 2017 that's not a cherry pick number but the reality is rise it is in fact selling very well and it is very competitive compared to the old FX processors rosin thread Ripper is an amazing thing for $1000 they are offering you 16 true processing cores 32 threads for the same money that Intel just a year ago wanted for eight processing cores and 16 threads it is also a better platform with 64 PCI Express Lanes quad channel ram and a bunch of other things it really is interesting rise and Pro is not important whatsoever to anybody watching my videos and Rison Mobile has not taken off the way a lot of people were hoping it would yes rising mobile chips launched last year and yes they do exist but not enough main companies have really made it a thing to get much penetration now this slide is a bit of a recap of what I just said a minute ago about the fact that rise in being the most important CPU launch in 10 years Intel launched a Core 2 quad 10 years ago and it has not basically changed on the desktop since it has been possible for Intel to do 6 cores 12 threads on the desktop for a long long time after all look at the x58 75 and other chip series that go into the very old x58 motherboards and yet we never really got consumer processors at that level because Intel had no reason to give them to us and then poof Rison comes along in 6 months later we have 6 core coffee like now that we've got eight core processors it is all but confirmed that there will be eight core sixteen thread coffee lake chips later in the year biostar has leaked Z 390 chipsets yes another new chipset what can I say that's probably coming in third or fourth quarter of 2018 I'm Intel of course there's not confirmed any of this but it's pretty well known at this point no on the laptop AMD likes to talk about the fact that they've now moved to quad core on mobile and that's true but again they have not had the same level of market penetration that they have on the desktop for whatever reason companies love slides like this it's filler and lets the presenter talk for a bit and that's pretty much what they do but I won't do that so next slide so far - for 2018 in January we got rise in processors for laptops of Vega graphics which again have not had a huge market penetration but they do certainly exist then in February we got the rise in APU so they don't call them ap use anymore they've dropped that term mostly because the previous ap use were pretty subpar now we have rise and processor with Radeon Vega graphics which frankly I think apu is a better term that is the 2200 G and the 2400 G which I've done a bunch of benchmarks on in fact I have 17 different game performance videos with live gameplay on the 2200 G on my channel those are impressive processors and the value for the money is extreme it is worth noting those are the new low end chips there are no low-end mainstream rise and chips without integrated graphics rise in 320 200 G replaced the 1200 and the 1300 X and the rise in 520 400 G replaced the 1400 and 1500 X the mainstream processors that have now launched rise in 5 2,600 2,600 X and up are all six or eight core chips rise and Pro mobile processors are launching which means nothing to any of you and the second-generation rise in pro processors and second half again means nothing that's a business certification thing that's a quality control thing for companies and large organizations none of those mean anything the next major law you're gonna see in 2018 is second-generation thread Ripper expects similar performance gains along with risin wonder Eisen 2 which is higher clock speeds improved memory support another motherboard probably ex 499 I would imagine but that's coming in the second half of 2018 and of course if you already have a thread Ripper it's probably not gonna be worth upgrading just like rising 1 to 2 is generally not worth upgrading but if you've been holding out or thinking about it that is coming probably in six months time another slide basically saying the same thing I said before 2400 G and 2200 G amazing value for the money I give both of these two thumbs up they may very well be the deal of 2018 even with the new rising ships launched the truth is for $99 you get 4 cores 4 threads and good integrated graphics at the Nvidia GT 1030 or close to it level because that graphics card is basically $100 you're almost getting a free CPU I would like to point out that a year ago to get 4 cores 4 threads from Intel you had to buy an i5 7400 for a hundred and eighty dollars and it has terrible integrated graphics and this does not so this is a huge value for the money now that was last year and it's not the comparison that AMD wants to make instead they're looking at the current generation I 580 400 comparing it to a Rison 520 400 G please note this is not apples to apples I 580 four hundred is six cores 6 threads pet Rison 520 400 G is 4 cores 8 thread so it straddles it but with the integrated graphics that comes with it it absolutely is GT 1030 worthy and so yeah look at the value for the money there are a couple of caveats here in the United States and I 584 hundred is not $199 you can find them for about 175 plus or minus 5 dollars but it's also worth noting the Rison 520 400 G has also been discounted and you can regularly find it on Amazon and Newegg for about $10 less than this the GT 1030 has actually been over $100 for a lot of 2018 because a cryptocurrency miners but it's starting to come back down but this entire argument misses the point for basically lower price than just the CPU you the cpu plus really good graphics have I mentioned what a good deal the rise in desktop processor with Radian Vega graphics actually just noticed at the top of the page it does say Verizon desktop APU this might is this the first time I've seen that from AMD cuz they actually went out of the way to say we're calling these CPUs with Vega graphics so there you go APU is right on the page and another fluff slide because that's what these companies do but it's not just AMD to be honest with you I've seen the slides from Intel they do the same thing rise in doubling down for enthusiasts well yes and no but it is in fact an improvement here is a summary slide of a lot of information and they will talk about this later in various slides in more detail but here's the summary higher clock speeds yes precision boost - yes lower latencies on the more performance is actually probably the most important soldered integrated heat spreader yes thank goodness now the AP users are not soldered and so they have less overclock ability but these are soldered and that's what really matters the new wraith prism cooler which we'll talk about in a minute yes that matters the new chipset less so store in my technology I will probably do a video on that the truth of the matter is the big big changes here are more about an evolution rather than a revolution but it is a refinement in many respects and yay coolers included finally now this slide exists primarily because this was a pre briefing before launch which I actually didn't receive I got this about 12 hours before launch day because it wasn't included in the launch but they did send me a copy to make a video on so I appreciate that now the rise in 720 700 X at 329 suggested retail price in the United States is the cream of the crop processor the Rison 520 600 X is also worth considering it's $100 less at 229 I personally believe that most people should skip the Nanak chips this time around and so does AMD which is why AMD did not sample those to any of the reviewers they only sent out the X chips now I have bought both the non X chips and I will show you side-by-side comparisons but the truth is company sample what they really believe is gonna sell Intel for example sampled the i5 8400 and the i7 8700 K they did not sample the i5 8600 K because even Intel knows that's a pretty stupid processor because frankly if you're gonna go to a Kay chip and overclock and put liquid cooling on it and go high-end you're buying an i7 or you should same thing here there's only a $30 price difference the coolers on the X chips are better wraith prism and rates fire on the 2x chips versus the wraith spire and then the wraith stealth on the two non x chips 7 and 5 respectively higher clocks better bidding better coolers guaranteed performance for 10% more money by the X processors regardless of anything else well I don't think I need it or does it really matter just buy the X chips that's really what AMD is selling here AMD is now going to compare the Rison 720 700 X to the i7 8700 K this is a marketing slide designed of course to make them look good which is why the gaming performance number here is that 1440p and not 1080p let me just help you out at 1080p the i7 8700 K is 10 to 15 percent faster than the Rison 720 700 X but we are however comparing hundreds of frames per second to hundreds of frames per second on high-end video cards less so on lower end video cards but then the gap narrows a bit when you have a lower end v if you have a three gigabyte GTX 1060 there is not a 10 to 15 percent performance difference if you have detail and higher ultra because you're more GPU limited put a 1080 Ti in and yes that's true but then you're really getting into a corner case in the market the number of people who are gonna buy a 350 dollar processor a 1080 TI to play at 1080p to guarantee 144 frames per second or get as close to it as possible is a very very small slice of the market fine if you're that person guess 8700 K might make sense for everyone else on earth Rison 5 and Rison 7 the X chips make more sense now the creative performance number here is fair true and accurate the reality is for non gaming applications for content creation 3d animation video rendering video editing don't knock trying to scrub 4k 60 frames per second video in Adobe Premiere Pro even on a 6th core processor if you have a lot of effects or multiple video feeds in there it really can slow down 8 core 16 threads does make a difference and that's why transition to rise in seven last year from my six core twelfth read broad well II I did notice a difference Premiere Pro in edit not just render but an edit was smoother and easier to work with so it really does make a difference live streaming again the lower latency Xin the eighth course helps especially for Triple A games there's a lot to like about the 2700 X the only real deficiency it has is 1080p over a hundred plus frames per second gaming with a 1080 Ti the primary comparison here is the Rison 720 700 X to the i7 8700 K the 2700 X comes with an excellent premium cooler roughly equivalent to a hyper 212 Evo in terms of cooling capability whereas the i7 8700 K doesn't come with a cooler at all and you would have to buy one now a hyper 212 actually will cool III 780 700 K just fine at stock speeds at 4.3 gigahertz but it certainly will not let you get much overclocking out of it it also costs more not quite the 369 suggested retail price that's here but it's still about 20 or 30 dollars more expensive than the rise and it also tends to take more expensive motherboards but not terribly so because I would not install a 2700 X on an under 100 hour motherboard even though you can I wouldn't in some respects I wouldn't make this comparison I would actually compare the rise in 520 600 X to the i7 8700 K because they're both 6 cores 12 threads the clock speeds are similar okay the rise is a little slower but in most games you're gonna get virtually the same gaming performance whether you have the rise in 5 or the risin 7 and the rise in five 2600 X is 229 instead of 329 and that chip yes I would install on less expensive motherboards now part of this slide was already shown earlier so I won't go into too much detail other than to say that the two main things here that matter are the higher clock speeds and the lower latencies yes it's the first 12 nanometer processor big deal how does that translate into performance well it does make it higher clock speeds and it does allow them to optimize it but that doesn't really matter to the end-user the truth of the matter is it is a refinement of the first generation Reisman Rison not an evolution but it is faster and it is better just to be clear Rison 720 700 X is faster than the risin 7 1800 X of the previous generation for a whole lot less money now this part right here is going to be overlooked in a lot of the initial reviews and frankly a lot of coverage because people have been trained to look at clock speed only the better cache latency across the chip the better memory latency is just as important is the actual clock speed itself clock for clock the risin 7 2,700 X is going to feel faster and be more responsive than a risin 7 1700 or 1800 X even at the same clock speeds because of this right here now is it going to magically make your benchmarks faster no is it going to make video renders faster no it makes the system more responsive and snappy it basically kicks it up a notch and just makes everything run a little bit smoother and a little bit cleaner it's not a revolution but it is a very nice evolution more hype about the 12 men and meter processor it does lift the clock speeds however I do take exception to the all core over clocks are now around 4.2 gigahertz on the wraith prism cooler that's included my risin 720 700 X does not run at 4.2 gigahertz when all the cores are being used even in a non ATX workload just stressing the CPU I get about 4 gigahertz out of it now with a high-end aftermarket cooler would it go faster yes is it possible to get 4.2 gigahertz on all the cores yes don't bother it's a mind it's a 5% clock speed difference you're looking at a 2 to 3% real-world performance difference these are actually fairly minor variations so while they pitch that as what it's capable of I ran stress testing on this for hours both in just CPU usage as well as AVX FBA usage and I wasn't seeing 4.2 gigahertz with the included right there's no cooler I have not as of the recording of this video put a knock to addy 15 on this yet I will but of course that makes no sense that's a $90 tower cooler and if it takes $90 to get three more percent performance that's a poor value for the money that $90 should be put into graphics card SSD RAM or something else but yes I suppose it's technically possible with enough cooling this is a marketing slide if there ever was one there is truth in this it is an improved platform it does use less power per watt but these results are awfully darn cherry-picks so just keep in mind that all the companies are guilty of doing this but the power draw at the same clock is the rise in five chips and then the performance at the same power are the rise in seven non X chips so we've got both X and non X and six core and eight core to demonstrate the point is is they specifically pick this to give the best-looking numbers on a chart all the other chips are likely to have not this much improvement they will have an improvement just keep in mind that when you're looking at marketing charts you're generally looking at the absolute best case scenario cuz they're trying to sell processors this does not take away from how good Rison really is I do recommend it but marketing another marketing slide and for those of you wondering why am i pitching the marketing and why am I even including marketing slides instead of just talking about the core features as they matter to you I'm doing every slide in this presentation and sharing with you my take on everything that AMD provided I don't see a lot of other people doing it it's a deep dive and I certainly hope you appreciate it left side of multi-threaded performance X chips right side performance per watt non X chips and the non K chip from Intel so again they're not wrong and these are true numbers but they're picking specific chips to basically demonstrate each point that they want to make now I can actually show you intel slides and I should have actually next time Intel launches a product that I have this other slides I'll do this exam assuming you guys like this and it gets views I'll do this same type of video and break those down so I'm not playing favorites but just do keep in mind that when they present a slide like this and have to slide as X chips and the other half isn't they are in fact picking the results that tell the story they want to tell if it helps my rise in 7/7 hundred that I'd built back in March of 2017 and that I used up until I replaced it with a sky like X because Intel's nice enough to send me one now look what I have fought one to replace it no but they did so I did it is faster but the risin seven 1700 is still downstairs and I still use it every day I didn't retire I didn't get rid of it it's still incredible value for the money and it really is good enough for 4k 60 frames per second video editing it's about 25% slower than the sky like x8 core chip that I have but the truth is it's really only 25% slower in render speed editing is about the same and everything else is about the same and frankly if I were buying a machine with my own personal money Rison really is the best deal so don't take my criticism of marketing slides to in any way shape or form dissuade you from buying horizon because if I had to pick between horizon 720 700 X than an i7 8700 K today it's the rise in 7th all day long AMD's cents in my technology actually sort of existed and rise in one as well but they've updated it now it's extended frequency range to imprecision boost to yay number increments this is actually real stuff it does make a difference but at the end of the day what you care about is the overall performance not what fancy technologies are inside the chip it just matters how well and how smoothly do your programs run and this stuff all helps with that now precision boost too is worth another slide and of all the little sensor my technologies it is worth noting that this is the most improved in my opinion versus Rison one in Rison one basically you had a one or two core boost speed and then it dropped down beyond that so for example a rise in seven 1800 X beyond about two cores was always going to run it only 3.7 gigahertz out of the box there really wasn't any fine-grained improvement as basically the core count increased now there is they've removed the limitations and made precision boost what it should have been in the first place which is it continues to boost the chip until it runs either into a voltage limit power delivery limit or temperature limit what this means in net effective terms is the CPU is already overclocking itself about as well as it can given the cooler that you have installed the ambient air temperature the power delivery available on your motherboard etc this is also why I would not recommend putting a 2700 X on a cheap 60 or $80 be 350 board the power delivery isn't as good the VRMs aren't as good you really want a better board because you're gonna get a smoother better power delivery we are in fact running eight cores 16 threads at over 4 gigahertz at times that does make a difference as you can see here we've got clock speeds between 4.0 and 4.2 anywhere from all the threads down to just 2 to 4 threads in typical workloads between 4 & 8 threads you're looking at about 4 point 1 gigahertz go to 8 threads are beyond and you're starting to drop down to 4 gigahertz which is what I saw during my stress test where all 16 threads were fully loaded but what this does mean is that if you put a better cooler on the CPU you'll get an extra one or two hundred megahertz out of the chip if you already own a better cooler and you're planning on using it you will get a small boost I would not however go out and just buy a better cooler just to get another 100 megahertz out of the chip this is a comparison video they've provided basically to show you what I described before the 3.7 gigahertz on the rise ins have an 1800 X once you got beyond a couple of cores it just dropped down to 3.7 and there it ran it didn't have any grain or basic adjustment to it it works differently in the sense that now it runs as fast as it can within the limits of temperature power delivery and voltage this basically means that overclocking the chip manually is in fact pretty pointless unless you dramatically upgrade your cooling or you want to tweak the settings or manually override the voltage and punch a bunch more voltage into your chip which I don't recommend it will work but you will shorten the life you'll increase power consumption dramatically you'll increase heat generation dramatically you basically pay a lot of heat temperature noise power consumption for another 100 or 200 megahertz at most even on superior high-end cooling systems just buy it and run it at stock speeds because it quotes stock speeds it is Auto overclocking itself on a per thread basis as far as it can with basically that your limitations that you've got in your system build ambient temperature etc just to further make the point they provided another slide to show the difference between cooling solutions the 95 watt cool basically is the Wraiths spire cooler it would be the risin seven 2700 non x cooler for the 95 watt cooler the prism gives you either 4% and they provided a knock to a d 15s which is the slim version which gives you an additional 3% boost or a 7% boost over the Wraith spire now it is worth noting that to get that 7% boost notice it's 20 C ambient instead of 32 C ambient yet that's one of those little asterisk details that makes it really easy to miss put them both in 32 C ambient you're probably looking at one or two percent more performance and yeah that's not really worth a $90 tower cooler now is it five non-gaming performance benchmarks you provided between the 2700 X and the 8700 K I've personally already tested Cinebench r15 and yep that number is pretty much correct I have not personally tested the other four but frankly these are so unbelievably easy for everybody in the world to compare I'll take their word for it seriously these are these are these numbers here are true and correct if you are doing multi-threaded content creation you're crazy to buy an 8700 K overall risin 720 700 X it clearly is superior in this application gaming well we'll talk about that in a minute I want to give AMD props and credit here 1080p gaming results when they launched the original Rison 7 they focused really heavily on 1440p and 4k results and kind of ignored the 1080p gaming because they knew the rise in 7 1700 did not really compete all that well in terms of performance charts with the i7 7700 K which was the then top-end CPU they went ahead and did 1080p ultra this time these are not bad results yes the i7 8700 K does beat rise in most of the time not tremendously so but it does beat it I would like to point out that they did conveniently provide the 60 Hertz and 144 Hertz lines on this chart to demonstrate that both chips will run all these games at 60 frames per second without an issue and will run above that just fine as well turn the detail down from ultra to high and all of these numbers do go up a bit the i7 87 okay numbers will go up a little bit more in fairness lower the detail and it does pull ahead a bit next-generation graphics cards it'll pull ahead a little bit as well if you want 144 frames per second Triple A gaming at 1080p and you're willing to buy the best graphics card on the market which is currently a 1080 TI and then replace it with the 1180 or 2080 or whatever Nvidia calls it fine buying 8700 K it will be faster for that application for everyone else 1440p 4k or 1080p gaming up to about a hundred frames per second there's essentially very little or no difference in fact if all you care about is gaming I don't know that I would buy a rise in 720 700x if you care about the value for the money and you're going with a mid-range graphics card at GTX 1060 at gtx 1070 the Rison 520 600 X maybe a better value for the money and now that they were honest with the 1080p gaming we have 1440p high gaming here between the 2700 X in the 8700 K boy look at all those numbers they are awfully darn similar in fact most of those are so close they are rounding errors yes for example in hitman you can see there in the middle hitman is in fact a couple of frames per second faster on the 8700 K do you really believe you'll see the difference between 96 frames per second and 93 frames per second no you're not going to and those are averages and they'll be up and down from there but they're so closest to be essentially the same now a couple of games f1 2017 Grand Theft Auto 5 do show a larger difference those games are heavily Intel based to be sure but look at the numbers they're up like a hundred to one hundred and forty frames per second now one common complaint here is that these chips are both being run at stock speeds and after all Kent the 8700 K overclocked to 5 gigahertz on all the cores yes it can can the 2700 xB overclocked no not really it's at its limit it's essentially pushed as far as it's gonna go so these numbers will get better within 8700 K at 5 gigahertz please note that's expensive to do 280 millimeter liquid cooler dr. D 15 Dok ruk pro for a nice quality motherboard good airflow in your system those things are expensive to accomplish in short you're looking at about a 200 ish dollar price difference between these two CPUs if you want the 8700 K at 5 gigahertz about 650 dollars for the 8700 k vs 450 dollars for the 2700 X and I'll remind you you can knock that down by $100 by going with the 2600 X and you'll still be pretty close to these results now for whatever reason AMD decided to provide multi-threaded benchmarks between the 2600 X and the i-580 600 K why I don't know because if you're doing content creation you shouldn't be on either one of these Rison 720 700 X for the win but whatever here they are yes we're about 20% faster across the board on the 2600 X gaming performance numbers won't look like this current games today the i5 8600 K will be a little bit faster than the 2600 X by a couple of percent not a lot so yeah between these two chips I'd buy 2600 X same story different day 1080p ultra gaming between the 2600 X and the i5 8600 K again the 2600 X comes with the Wraith spire cooler the i-580 600 K doesn't come with a cooler at all you go out and buy a cooler and you overclock it a nice motherboard and all of a sudden you're spending a bunch of money now the I 580 600 K is currently priced about the same so these chips in terms of price are roughly comparable please let me remind you that the 2600 X has 12 threads it is 6 cores 12 threads whereas the i5 8600 K is 6 cores 6 threads I really believe the rise in 520 600 X is more comparable to the 8700 K and I will show those results when I do my review on it I will also show the results on the i-5 80 600 K but frankly I think it's a silly CPU and nobody should buy it because you have to buy a cooler and inexpensive board and if you're gonna overclock it then just get an i7 8700 K of 5 q Gertz is important to you that's my opinion I know some people disagree with me on that but from the Intel side of things it's i7 or bus now we have 1440p highgate gaming detail between these two and again it's same story different chart basically they're neck-and-neck without benchmarks running I would like to point out that if you put these two systems side by side didn't tell you what they were hid the computers and how'd you play on them one after the other and go back and forth between them I don't actually think most people could pick out which is which they are so close and performance so then it comes down to price well the price of these is basically the same then it comes down to motherboard well the motherboard price is the same except the Rison 520 600 X will install on cheaper boards it does come with a cooler and it does have a motherboard that will have platform support until 2020 which the eighty-six hundred K won't and you are supporting the company that kind of moved the industry along which there's something to be said for that as well as opposed to the one that had to be dragged kicking and screaming into more than four cores that's not gonna matter to some of you but personally all else being equal I'd rather give AMD the money do note that's not being a fanboy I want to give AMD money for graphics cards - but Vega is atrocious and I recently did an updated review on Vega and basically said yeah this is just sad and tragic and no one should buy one because right now NVIDIA has better graphics cards with lower power consumption and better performance so I'm not supporting the underdog just to support them they have to have good products this here is a good product I hope the next graphics card from AMD has whoever designed Rison running it because if they do then they're really gonna give Nvidia a push and that's something I think we could all root for and then we go from those wonderful results to another marketing slide more performance yay first - oK you've seen all this before I kid you not these presentations they do are so long and they say the same thing 16 different ways but in fairness they have anywhere between 500 to a thousand people listening to these conference calls when they do it so they want to make sure they get everybody covered it's a slide that's marketing yay can we give two thumbs up to AMD for soldering the integrated heat spreader here now for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about intel stop soldering back on Sandy Bridge in 2011 Ivy Bridge in later have cheap toothpaste they put under there it lasts a long time it saves them a few cents per processor but the reality is it does make the chips hotter and it reduces their overclocking this is what deleting is if you've heard the term D living before basically that takes off the integrated heat spreader that big piece of metal that you see that's not the chip that's just a heat spreader take that off actually put liquid metal or other better thermal compound or solder underneath on the chip itself reattach the thermal of integrated heat spreader and then you can often get several hundred megahertz more or a 20 degree C temperature drop it really does make a huge huge difference companies have been formed to just do this one called Silicon Lottery which is actually done in Houston Texas does this where basically they deal in chips and sell them to you pre-tested pre overclocked and they run much much cooler there is no need to deal it arise in 720 700 X because they're already soldered and that's why they run faster and cooler even though they have eight cores versus the six on the i7 8700 K unlocked multipliers on all the chips yeah good thing only the K chips from Intel are unlocked all of the risin chips even the nonon chips are in fact unlocked the new wraith prism cooler is awesome it's got four direct contact heat pipes it's fully RGB very nice and then the rise in master 1.3 software if you want to play around with overclocking which frankly I don't think you should so in this case I actually don't recommend it just use it as it comes out of the box the irony is I gave that huge speech and forgot this slide was next so this is kind of like everything I just said integrated heat spreader it is a better design for heat transfer no need to deal it it's done right the first time in fact you really shouldn't try to deal in these because they're soldered you'll probably break the chip trying it's technically possible but it's very very hard to do unlocked multipliers for the wind what's it gonna take for Intel to get rid of this silly k chip nonsense or well at least sell them as premium chips and simply unlock the multipliers on other processors with the recent launch of the B 360 and the H 370 boards and the H 310 which no one should buy what they did is they came up with some additional I 5 processors they now have an i-5 80 400 and I five eighty five hundred and an i5 eighty six hundred in addition to the I 580 600k really seriously each one of those chips except the k chip is locked with a one or two hundred megahertz clock speed increase that's nuts that is way too many SKUs and we really need to get away from that I really hope that when the next generation of Intel chips come out they do away with this and say fine all Intel chips are unlocked go for it the new wraith prism cooler is an evolution over the old wraith max cooler this is not the same as they've been including for a few years even on the later generations of the old FX chips they had something similar to this this does not have a copper plate on the bottom it is direct contact heat pipes basically the heat pipes on the bottom are shaped flat it directly contacts the CPU itself so even the first generation rise in Wraith max isn't the same as this they have also in addition to the RGB ring made the fan transparent so the entire thing is RGB it is nicer and better it is quiet but it is not silent the right spire is silent the right spire is really really silent so if you care about the noise to the point to where you want to completely silent system and you want included cooler that might actually be a reason to buy either the 2600 X or 2700 because those come with a raid spire this is quiet but under full a 260 for stress testing it's audible now inside a computer case under your desk it won't be as bad but if silence is important something like an octave a u9s which is a 95 millimeter by 95 millimeter mid-sized tower cooler might be worth considering it's not cheap you're gonna spend 50 to 60 dollars on buying one but it is utterly silent and a superior cooler I've done a review of that that'll even cool the 10 core I 970 900 X just fine at least it sucks speeds at thermal throttles overclocked but it does just find its stock and it would be an upgrade over this do I think most people should buy it no unless silence is the most important thing you want now there are two switchable fan profiles on this there's a loud and a quiet mode you can turn the speed down a bit in you can turn the RGB off for as it says there are GB heathens if you don't want RGB there's a switch you can turn it off and never see it again the rise of master software has been updated to 1.3 there are more options in here per core detection there there is the fastest core detection option in here which basically lets you know which of the course is fastest and you get your boost on those cores they know which cores in each chip which will be different um each CCX module for example is going to have a fastest core marked on it and those will be the ones that get the highest single core boost speed you can mess with this if you want there's a built-in stability tester you can do per CCX overclocking per core overclocking you can play with this until the cows come home all the time in effort spent on this is gonna give you maybe three percent more performance all things considered maybe five ish percent more performance if you spend a lot of money on an aftermarket cooler is this really where you should spend your time no I don't think so buy it uses it comes that's what I'm going to do and that's what I recommend 99% of you do if you're into open-loop coolers and custom stuff and you want to tweak to the max well I hate to say this to be completely honest but you're probably watching the wrong Channel and we have slide slides and more slides I promised you every single slide from this presentation and you're getting it but that kind of says what I've already said the final part is the smarter platform of the second generation rise in CPU and actually some of these are quite interesting I will go into some more detail on these in future reviews but for now let's go through each slide and cover them briefly one thing AMD does deserve credit for is planned support until 2020 if you bought into am for last year and you bought maybe a horizon 5 1500 X or 1400 you want to upgrade now you can maybe you bought a rise in 5 1600 X and you're like well this all looks nice but I'm gonna wait another year not to worry rise in 3 and 2019 will also work the plan is rise in 4 in 2020 will also work on these motherboards now there are improvements with each generation of motherboard you give up a little bit but not a ton at least now we don't know for sure what features you'll lose Oh ddr5 and pci-express for our coming around then so there may be motherboards updated with those features but not having to replace your motherboard not having to rip your computer apart just upgrade your CPU is definitely not something Intel's doing I mentioned before an eight-core 16th red coffee Lake is coming the Z 390 chipset is coming yes we're getting yet another chipset and no my understanding is that the eight core coffee Lakes will not work in the z3 70s which were just released less than a year ago which replaced the z2 70s which were released Intel's making too many chipsets let's all agree on that point so this is really really good and ambi deserve credit for that the next thing I want to give AMD credit for is simplifying the product line Rison one had too many SKUs to rise in threes for Rison 5s and three rise in sevens were simply too many intel does this this is this is just too many chips and AMD did it and they simplified it now we have to AP use one rise in three and one rise in five both with excellent integrated Vega graphics then we have to rise in 5s and to rise in 7s honestly in my opinion this could have been simplified even more and just had one rise in five 2600 X and one rise in seven 2700 X but I understand they're trying to meet the price point and motivate people to step up and spend another $30 which I think you should but this is a better environment now there is no rise in 720 800 X to replace the 1800 X yeah well actually no since this is launched I've been hearing rumors they may be releasing one this summer though we don't need one but they might do it with a clock speed bump if they can refine it a bit maybe get that clock speed to four point five who knows if you have if you already own a first-generation and you're on the fence maybe wait till the summer and see if that happens that's a rumor not confirmed no official sources but I've now seen it in three different places so either everybody's repeating the same rumor or maybe it's a part of type in they're working on it who knows but for now the 2,700 X is king of the hill random side know for anybody who says oh great I'll wait for the next thing do keep in mind that March of 2019 we'll get rise in 730 700 X and then March of 2020 we'll get rise in 740 700 X there will always be something around the corner ice lake is coming maybe early 2019 which is the ten nanometers shrink from Intel Tiger Lake is coming after that which is the new architecture on the ten nanometer shrink and then sapphire rapids is coming after that which yeah so there's always going to be a new CPU release like every six months for like the next five years now that leads us into the new x4 70 motherboard should you buy one well if you already own an x3 70 no keep your x3 70 if you don't I would generally buy the x4 70 it is a refinement it does have lower power consumption it does have a couple of other new technologies included this store mi technology for example but the truth of the matter is the x3 70s are also just fine and if you already have one don't worry about it AMD came up with a sticker design so if you buy a 300 series chipset well you can know that it's rise in desktop mm ready this was an excellent idea poorly executed because you can't look at the box when you're buying online if you order from Amazon or Newegg they ship from one of multiple warehouses out of both new and old stock and you can't be assured of what you'll get what they should have done was incremented the model numbers of the motherboard and basically retired the old model numbers just incremented it by one or put it to at the end of it or something to indicate that it was basically 2000 ready so that you could go to the product page on Amazon and Newegg can be absolutely sure of what you're buying as it stands right now I can't make you any promises as to a motherboard you buy online as to whether it's ready I also can't make you any promises that that sticker is correct I have heard reports that there are boards with that sticker that work with the Rison ap used the 2200 G and the 2400 G but don't work with the 2700 X or 2600 X there was one or two biases back in November in December that did support the AP use but didn't actually support these if you're buying a 2700 X and you don't own a board buy a 400 series board seriously if you're going to buy a rise in 520 600 or 20 600x and you want to buy a be 350 well what can I say you either buy from a place that offers easy returns or you might have to take your chances or wait for the B 450s which are coming summer of 2018 store mi or store me or however they pronounce that technology deserves a video all in its own I might do a raffle review on this I honestly haven't decided yet because I'm so sold on SSDs exclusively that frankly I don't want hard drives in my computer builds at all most of my systems these days have no hard drives at all my skylake X system has no hard drive my risin 7 1700 has no hard drive my i7 8700 K twitch streaming machine has no hard drives in it but I also acknowledge that I am in a unique position that I get sent enough SSDs I can afford to do this because I got a stack of them on the shelf most people don't do that and people still use hard drives I get that so you'll have to let me know in the comment section down below just how badly you want this reviewed because it's hard to get motivated when I don't use hard drives anymore here's the short short version are you familiar with Apple fusion drive that's what this is in a nutshell if you're not let me explain it first of all working from the bottom up this is free with the x4 70 motherboards you don't have to pay anything extra but it doesn't come with the 300 series you gotta buy a 400 series works with any storage device doesn't have to be a specific one doesn't have to be hard drive SATA SSD and via me any storage device works no formatting no partitions upgradable at any time you can activate it and deactivate it without having to reinstall windows this is a super important point you can try it change it customize it you don't have to wipe your drives and start over which most of these sort of technologies usually require now what makes this smart is the fact that it moves or migrates not copies your most-used blocked to your fast storage if you have a 256 gigabyte SSD which is by the way the largest size it supports and you have a one terabyte hard drive you essentially end up with 1.2 terabytes of total space you can pair this with as large a hard drive as you one it's actually up to 32 terabytes which doesn't exist so if you have a four terabyte or an eight terabyte hard drive you can combine that with a 256 gigabyte SSD and you gain the capacity of both drives think of it like gluing two drives together a 256 gig SSD plus whatever size hard drive you want to attach to it you get the capacity of both and up to two gigabytes of your system Ram can also act as cash now that's cash that doesn't add to the storage space but it does improve the performance it'll put the most frequently used blocks there as opposed to just on the SSD now interestingly enough it does not have to be a hard drive using an nvme drive or even an op tain drive you could have a 256 gigabyte nvme drive and then a one or two terabyte SSD and actually fuse those together so the very fastest blocks on the nvme drive actually accelerate the entire system if you want a premium machine that actually might be something worth considering one of the most exciting parts of this is the fact that you can have one drive letter and basically merge or fuse the two drives together where I see this being the most useful is if you buy a pre-built machine let's say you go out and buy a Dell Acer or something else or even a CyberPower or I buy power and it does not come with an SSD or it only comes with an SSD this works both ways you can grow your space without having to reinstall windows I've done many videos in the past of having to clone windows from a hard drive to an SSD in order to actually be able to use the fast speed of the SSD to boot your system if you buy a computer would say a 2 terabyte hard drive you can go out and buy a 256 gig SSD and fuse them together without reinstalling Windows and then boom you'll have a faster storage solution likewise if you go out and buy a computer that only has an SSD and you're like man I need some more space but I don't wanna have to move my files around or reinstall my programs because I want to move them to the hard drive by a 2 or 3 or 4 terabyte hard drive and fuse it to the 256 gig SSD that you've got boom C Drive one drive letter more space that actually is an interesting application or so than just the acceleration in my opinion here AMD is provided a benchmark fourteen point seven seconds versus forty one point four seconds this is a comparison of World of Warcraft character select two playable now just like the other marketing slides that I showed you this is obviously cherry-picked designed to make it look really really good and I expect most situations wouldn't be this good I don't know how many times they did it it is worth noting that you have to train it in other words you have to use your computer when you first set it up you probably won't notice a big difference after you've used your computer for a few days after you've launched all your games reboot your computer several times it will start to speed up and get faster please note that if you launch a game that you've not run in a while and it's blocks are on the hard drive there's no performance improvement this assumes that you just ran World of Warcraft and thus World of Warcraft is actually on the SSD run other games those who get moved to the SSD and World of Warcraft will get moved back to the hard drive for those of you playing the home game yes this will increase the number of rights to your SSD I'm not currently bothered by this cuz SSDs have our ridiculously long life and the average person is never gonna wear one out but if you really use your machine hard this actually is in the background moving data back and forth between the hard drive and the SSD and does run the risk of using up your your write allowance or your total terabytes written faster than you otherwise would and more benchmarks here and this right here is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to do a full review of this because it is going to involve a lot of background testing in order to bring you honest independent results I can put up a chart I can do a couple of tests but I really would want to play with this enough hours and possibly over several days or a week to really get a sense of how much improvement it is because I can show you charts and I can time launches but the real question is in day-to-day use does it provide a perceptible performance increase doing this will require I set one up and actually start using it and not benchmarking it to be able to just tell you yes it's worth it no it's not based upon I used it for a week again let me know in the comments below how much you care here we see the performance jump if you add the RAM cache to it news flash Rams a lot faster than an SSD well yes that shouldn't be a surprise this simply provides an easy way to do it and of course if you've got 16 gigs or more then I would definitely turn that on because clearly it's faster and of course we now have a summary of what we just talked about um even though we're about 50 minutes into this video I'm about three and a half hours into recording it because I look everything up and research it and everything before I do this it's a marketing slide what can I say if any of you are still watching this video at this point bless your hearts I'm so glad that you're here now aren't you guys all glad you weren't on the conference call with AMD we're yet another slide saying the same thing again comes up and they then read the whole thing to you again for the next three to five minutes I'm not going to do it it's the same stuff you've already seen now does this slide look familiar it should because it was earlier in this presentation look down to the bottom left-hand corner you might see the number 51 this is the 51st slide and yes this slide is in here again saying the same thing again so very rarely do the footnotes get included whenever you see these slides and videos and many channels do put these slides into videos or you'll see these slides put onto various sites like Tom's Hardware or an antec or other sites but very rarely do you get the footnotes which contain all the details behind the benchmarks numbers testings etc now I'm not gonna read this to you of course and hopefully if you're watching this on a full-sized monitor you can read this text I am rendering and uploading this video at 4k so YouTube should have a copy good enough that you can read that ridiculously fine print it's there if you want it otherwise well we'll move on thought you were done with the fine print no there's a little bit more of it but don't worry we'll move on to the next slide you can pause the video if you want to read this gotcha you thought we were done with fine print and slides again pause it read it if you want all the details of the tests and benchmarks that AMD did now I will admit I'm trying to think of a joke about what happens when the fourth page of fine print comes up on the screen and I can't think of one so there it is there is a Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy joking here somewhere because this is number 5 and it's definitely not restaurant at the end of the year are so long and thanks for all the fish but this should be the last one now that was the last slide for the footnotes now there's a disclaimer this really is the last slide but I promised you at the beginning of this video you would get every single slide in this presentation and so you're looking at it if any of you are still here thank you bless you and I appreciate it I know those last few slides were kind of boring with all the footnotes and disclaimers but I did promise you every single slide from the AMD press presentation and there you go now the press presentation was actually shorter than my video because I gave a lot of analysis and comparisons in there whereas they sort of read the slides too a lot of the time I hope you found this useful informative and interesting as I mentioned below everything's linked down below as well as my launch review with some benchmarks and there will be more benchmarks and tests coming I do have two X 470 boards I actually have two more that you haven't seen yet I will be doing a variety of comparisons with both old and new CPUs Intel and AMD for the next month or so expect a lot of coverage on this on my channel like this video if you like it share it with your friends if you loved it remember to subscribe to my channel with that big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section and it's always video description it's there there's links and stuff be sure to follow me on Twitter go follow me on Twitch if you're interested in my live streams and we have a discord down there as well if you'd like to engage in both voice and text chat with the tech deals community thanks so much for watching I will see you in the next video\n"