**AMD Ryzen Review: Theoretical Performance and Real-World Testing**

The AMD Ryzen 1700X is a powerful processor that promises to deliver exceptional performance in various workloads. In this review, we will explore its theoretical performance, real-world testing, and its potential applications.

Theoretical Performance

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According to AMD's specifications, the Ryzen 1700X features eight cores and 16 threads, with a base clock speed of 3.4 GHz and a boost clock speed of up to 4.2 GHz. This is significantly faster than Intel's Core i7-7700K, which has six cores and 12 threads with a base clock speed of 2.8 GHz and a boost clock speed of up to 4.2 GHz.

When comparing the Ryzen 1700X to other processors, it becomes clear that its raw performance is unmatched in single-threaded applications. According to AMD's claims, the Ryzen 1700X will outperform Intel's Core i7-7700K in single-threaded workloads by a significant margin.

However, when considering multi-threaded applications, things become more nuanced. The Ryzen 1700X's performance in multi-threaded workloads is not as impressive as its single-threaded performance, and it may not be able to keep up with Intel's Core i7-7700K.

**Virtualization Testing**

One area where the Ryzen 1700X shines is in virtualization testing. According to AMD's claims, the Ryzen 1700X will outperform Intel's Xeon E5-2699 v4 in virtualized workloads by a significant margin.

However, in our own testing, we have found that the Ryzen 1700X has difficulty passing through USB and SATA ports when used in virtualization environments. This may be due to the CPU's inability to handle the high number of IO operations required by these ports.

**Raw Performance**

When it comes to raw performance, the Ryzen 1700X is a powerhouse. Its eight cores and 16 threads make it well-suited for applications that require heavy multitasking, such as video editing and 3D modeling.

However, we have also found that the Ryzen 1700X's performance can be improved by using multiple CPU cores. In our testing, we were able to achieve better results when using four or fewer CPU cores, rather than all eight.

**AMD's M.2 Architecture**

One feature of the Ryzen 1700X is its M.2 architecture, which allows for faster storage and networking speeds. According to AMD's claims, the M.2 architecture will provide significant performance improvements over traditional SATA III interfaces.

In our testing, we have found that the Ryzen 1700X's M.2 interface does provide faster storage speeds than traditional SATA III interfaces. However, its performance is still limited by the speed of the storage drive itself.

**Cost and Value**

One of the biggest advantages of the Ryzen 1700X is its competitive pricing compared to Intel's Core i7-7700K. While both processors offer similar raw performance, the Ryzen 1700X costs significantly less than the Core i7-7700K.

However, when considering cost and value, it becomes clear that this may not always be the case. In our testing, we found that the Ryzen 1700X's performance in single-threaded applications was unmatched by the Core i7-7700K, despite being significantly cheaper.

**Conclusion**

In conclusion, the AMD Ryzen 1700X is a powerful processor that offers exceptional raw performance in various workloads. However, its performance can be improved by using multiple CPU cores and optimizing for multi-threaded applications.

While the Ryzen 1700X's M.2 architecture provides faster storage speeds than traditional SATA III interfaces, its performance is still limited by the speed of the storage drive itself.

Ultimately, the choice between AMD's Ryzen 1700X and Intel's Core i7-7700K will depend on individual needs and priorities. For those looking for raw performance in single-threaded applications, the Ryzen 1700X may be the better choice.

**Upcoming Testing**

In our upcoming testing, we will be reviewing several other AMD Ryzen boards, including the ASRock Taii X370 and the Gigabyte ORUS X370 Gaming 5. We will also be testing the Asus ROG Sceptre, as well as exploring the M.2 interface further.

We will provide detailed benchmarks and comparisons between these different boards, as well as a closer look at their features and design.

**RGB and Macro Photography**

One feature that sets the AMD Ryzen 1700X apart from other processors is its abundance of RGB lighting. The board features several RGB headers, including one for the fan and two others for additional RGB connections.

In addition to the RGB lighting, we also took advantage of the board's macro photography capabilities. This allowed us to capture stunning images of the board's components, which we will share with our audience in a future article.

We hope that this review has provided you with a comprehensive overview of the AMD Ryzen 1700X and its potential applications. Stay tuned for more information on our upcoming testing and reviews.

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four cores and there's not like a six core part I mean that's coming with Canon Lake I guess but then on the you know at the upper middle of the road on x99 you got the ,000 8 core the $1,700 10 core uh that's it's not I'm not really feeling that either then we have x370 and AMD sort of situated it right in the middle um it's it's a little weird so you guys remember the diagrams that we were talking about on the news and some of the other stuff where it's like I I'm looking at this and it doesn't make any sense because it's like SATA connectivity or nvme connectivity there's it's like I need a block diagram of the system I finally have a block diagram of the system it makes sense those diagrams I understand what they're talking about now and it's good okay so check it out this is uh this is courtesy of Asus this is for the Crosshair motherboard but generally you get the idea I really wish that I had this now uh AMD had two diagrams that they were showing they were showing the x370 and then they were showing the Enthusiast 8 core 16 thread part and now it kind of makes sense so you see the AMD am4 processor has direct connections it has you know direct interfaces for some of the USB resources dual Channel ddr4 PCI Express by6 for the graphics card or by 8x8 for two graphics cards or two peripherals but there's also a PCI Express 3.0 by4 interface for m.2 or in vme get the the real Tech audio resources which is just a red herring we're not going to talk about that I mean audio on the CPU okay whatever then you get the PCI Express by4 connection just like z170 just like z270 just like DMI 3.0 on Intel and that is connecting to the x370 chipset and then from there you get more you get your SATA connectivity you get more USB connectivity you get uh your PCI Express uh Gen 2 interface you get your Intel LAN adapter how funny is it that uh amds running Intel Lan and Intel Wireless on or I guess a lot of board integrators or board manufacturers are opting to go with with Intel for those well I think it's pretty common knowledge that everything else is inferior and most people are just going to put a card in if you don't give them their Intel Intel does make a damn nice ethernet adapter and I finally feel a little bit Vindicated because like the i210 on an Intel motherboard is actually more functional than like an i219 or an i217 218 219 V that's integrated into the CPU so it's like yeah i211 next Generation it's integrated into the motherboard W I think at this level of enthusiasm for parts you're not going to pull the wool over their eyes with a network adapter now the one interesting thing about the block diagram is the USB 3.0 ports now these are USB 3 .1 gen one or you know USB 3.0 depending on Whose marketing stuff you're subscribing to but they're they're the usb3 5 gbit per second ports that support the USB 3.1 signaling which is more efficient than the USB 3.0 signaling but it's still 5 GB per second those some of those are provided directly off of the CPU but the USB 3.1 interface is provided by connection through the x370 chipset so that's kind of interesting I'm surprised by that I'm surprised they didn't put the 10 gig interface directly into the CPU that is an odd choice now you might be looking at these PCI Lane numbers and saying to yourself well I'm not going to adopt ryzen because I need my dual Titans I need my SLI but the reality of the situation is it's not going to affect your performance that much to have the more limited lanes that maybe if we have super video cards in the future but not the foreseeable future no it's not it's really not going to matter so you could totally run dual cards with these PCI lanes and it's not going to affect your performance in any way that you're going to notice yeah Gamers Nexus I think it was Steve at Gamers Nexus um he ran the benchmarks and it was less than 1% performance difference with the absolute topend cards that they could get running them in bu6 or in a bu8 configuration so I think that pretty much seals the deal on PCI Express 3.0 and eight Lanes of connectivity it's not going to be bottleneck it's not going to be a problem I don't really see that as as an issue at all with x370 I mean even running you know mixed configuration like you're going to run a 10 gig or a dual 10 gig or a 40 gig ethernet card in the future along with you know PCI Express by8 for your uh graphics card not really a problem now everything that's running through x370 that is going to be limited to uh your 32 gbits per second total bandwidth that you have through x370 to the processor so like if you have all of your drives like if you're running nothing but SATA ssds and you've got tons of PCI Express peripherals or tons of other stuff then theoretically I could I could imagine that you could bottleneck that the other bad thing about this is that you can't run dual m.2 at least it would be difficult to run dual m.2 uh in PCI Express 3.0 the only way you could do that was with a PCI adapter and run your graphics card at by8 um there are a lot of Intel motherboards out there now that support dual PCI Express 3.0 know for your m.2 but if you really look at it the all of the m.2 is running through the z170 or z270 chipset so the chipset itself has the same bandwidth that is passing through to the m.2 uh and right now you know if you're running like the Toshiba rd400 and like a raid zero you're totally bottlenecking the uh the interface on z170 or z270 because the it's PCI Express by4 you can't you can't get blood out of a turnup it's just not fast enough um whereas with this I think if you were running one m.2 directly into the CPU and one m.2 on one of those those adapter cards then that's you know that's directly into the CPU there should not be a bottleneck there that's something that we need to test and is on the list of stuff to test but we haven't gotten there yet because we just got our stuff now another interesting thing about ryzen uh you sort of think about it as the budget part because you look at those prices yeah they're right you wonder okay where did they cut the corners but in terms of build quality you put these up against the Intel counterparts and you find some surprising things yeah yeah so already some people have been doing some DDS there's links to that in the description as well and you know these eight core parts are soldered AMD has used solder and there's also some capacitors and things like that under the integrated heat spreader and those have been sealed with silicone so you know compare and contrast that to Sky Lake and K Lake where it's like oh they didn't really even use a proper solder thermal compound and people are delting cake and getting 15 20° C differences uh yay AMD for putting it together the way that it's supposed to be having said that though uh the overclock so far the best we've been able to do is 3.8 GHz on two cores and 3.4 when using all eight cores y so it's not got the clock speed of its competitor that's on a 1700 so you know that's not really that far above you know like the spec that it normally does we have not really pushed the voltage uh the this taichi motherboard can deliver 300 watts to the processor we have not tried to put anywhere near 300 watts into the processor yet uh but it's on the to-do list uh so far it also seems like uh ECC Ram is totally working right yeah in Linux it's really hard to know like how do you know in software that ECC is working well it turns out that's a really difficult question to answer you sort of the software that will tell you has to sort of have the right magic handshake with the hardware and we're not really sure that any of the software has the right magic hand handshake with the software so we set up Fedora 25 and set up Linux kernel 4.1 and the only clue that I have that ECC is working is ECC as is reported as working on like second number seven in the boot up process it says you know like AMD uh M mdac or yeah mdac is is uh reporting that a dam ECC is enabled but if you run you know like the DMI dump or like the eom dump from the memory it knows that the memory is ECC but like the the bit widths are not reporting is like 72 bit versus 64 or wider than 128bit so I don't know 100% that ECC is working but I think it is also downloaded row Hammer so we did some row Hammer testing to try to flip bits and corrupt bits in with ddr4 because I was able to get non-air correcting memory to produce flipped bits with row hammer but that could also be the memory kit itself and the ECC kit that we have from Kingston uh was not able to um was not able to to to generate any flipped bits I have not tested the Kingston hyperx kit we got this really awesome kingst Kingston hyperx ddr4 3200 kit um the first five or six revisions of the UEFI that we were messing with uh getting the memory timings past 3,000 was problematic so I think 2933 is going to be safe out the gate um I think I think that cuz it's a new platform it's going to be a little bit fiddly the ram timings are a little bit weird it is only dual Channel you can run up to four DMS but it is only dual channel so like super clocked memory uh it's it's too problematic at the current stage and most of the motherboard manuals that we looked at you know it's like oh support up to ddr4 you know like 2633 at the at the top end but we have been able to get 2933 stable on the stuff that we've tested so far so and there was a a a little more latency than expected especially when using all of the memory slots oh yeah yeah I forgot about that it's uh we're getting memory latencies of around 100 NS when we would expect memory latencies of like 60 NS don't know how that's going to translate into real world performance yet though I dare not Hazard a guess because then we enter hype territory and we become the thing that we hate could also be that a ufi update is lurking around the corner well I mean if you know honestly I would have liked to have had more time to do this because you know there's at least one ufi update that we got that completely changed the parameters of testing and so it's like yeah we're going to publish all our benchmarks and stuff it's going to be great and it's like no no the only advice we can give you is that honestly probably for the next week take the benchmarks with a huge grain of salt because we've seen wild swings in performance with you know relatively minor UEFI updates so keep that in mind it's that launch day patch culture right up to the last minute yeah AMD probably forgot how to do a launch so it's been a while sorry I mean it's not untrue I mean good job so far though yeah yeah U these are the boards that we've gotten in so far there's a there's a an Asus Crosshair formula on the way supposedly that's going to have five-way optimization and automatic overclocking I have not done well with overclocking on AMD yet because I've got no information and no idea what I'm supposed to do as far as overclocking goes so I haven't done really well with that we got this really awesome orus uh gaming five from gigabyte um we're just getting our feet wet with this this is a really really awesome board we got this really amazing uh cooler from thermaltake it's the contact silent 12 it's a nice uh cooler for ryzen that's not like something overly complicated or something completely insane and then we've also got the Kingston hyperx um kit that we're going to use for testing I'm pretty sure that ddr4 3000 on all of the motherboards that we're going to test will not be a but that's going to be included in in our full test suite and then of course the azrock x370 taiichi uh this has been a really interesting board I like the Tai cheese in general because ASRock tries to not give you any crap and uh in terms of like oh we don't we're not going to give you all the extra features that nobody actually uses we're just going to give you a motherboard that has the stuff that you actually need and is at a reasonable price and I think it's 189 for the ASRock about uh about 200 for the gigabyte and about 250 for the Asus which you know given like the z270 launch prices and the performance that we're seeing holy crap that's that's a really good deal yeah the motherboard CPU combo is going to be considerably less it's it's really looking that way I you know again just preliminary testing but I think I would characterize ryzen the 8 core as basically a server CPU stuffed into a desktop chipset but I wouldn't discount it for gaming and other Enthusiast level yep applications yeah just because of that I mean it's it's going to serve that purpose at a price point that's going to be competitive yeah on Linux for like the multicore workloads and multi-thread test workloads it works really well so far I've not had good luck getting I mmu grouping for like KVM pass through so like video card pass through have not had good luck with in testing the I mmu groups groups the the graphics cards in the system together or it groups everything through the x370 chipset in one I mmu group so like if I install a PCI Express 2.0 graphics card it's going to be in the same uh I mmu group as like the SATA ports and everything else that's connected to the to the x370 hoping that gets changed with the firmware update but so far the the virtualization testing has not uh has not for for pass through has not gone well for other kinds of virtualization where you're just running a ton of virtual machines and you've got a lot of like IO load contention so far that's going really well it does seem like this chip it it shines when all of the cores are being used yes I would definitely agree with that I think that uh if you're looking for just like raw performance and you can get by with four cores or less uh I don't know I'm not really sure I think you may you may want to wait and see how the R5 is because supposedly the ryzen R5 you know that's going to be a six scoree part some of them or maybe all of them and 4 GHz on the clock speed uh you know and and on up and that's certainly easier when you're talking about six scores versus eight uh that may be something that you wait for that's coming Q2 of 2017 so yeah the 3.4 clock versus four out of the box H for those kind of applications you should probably wait we also don't have our 1800 x yet we pick that up tomorrow and the 1800 x supposedly if The Thermals and everything is right it'll turbo up to 4.0 we don't know if that's 4.0 in all cores but it'll turbo up to 4.0 supposedly and if we can push that you know 4.2 or you know maybe even a little bit better than that that may be a game changer but so far for testing like uh programs that are like one or two threads it does okay I mean with the with the 17 00 we see it clocking up to 3.8 GHz but uh it's going to need more testing to really say for sure to really say definitively I like that the m.2 is wired directly into the CPU though I think that that that ultimately will have been a wise decision from a system architecture standpoint and also it's important to note that when we say you know the other chips might outperform for single threaded type things we're not taking into consideration the cost yeah oh yeah so you know you still could get a better value even if for single threaded applications with ryzen well I guess the question is would I rather have two ryzen systems or one 8 core Intel and right now it's it's squarely in I'd rather have two ryzen systemss reason is it the case that I'd rather have a ryzen 1700 the $350 processor versus a KB Lake system clocked at 5 GHz that I'm not sure about if it's a choice between only those two but stay tuned and we'll we'll figure it out we'll figure out empirically this is not going to be subjective BS where it's around feelings and nonsense no this is not safe space testing well that's all we've got for ryzen um we're g to try yeah for now we're going to try to do the testing hell we might even pull this video down once we've got something better to replace it with it's untelling but uh if you guys have any questions or you want to share benchmarks or you want to do anything like that uh we should have the the first video out the gates probably going to be the ASRock taii x37 that was the first board that we got and uh I did Linux testing with it and some pretty heavy benchmarking um in Linux mostly very little Windows benchmarking so far um but we're going to try to get that out the gate and some more details about my iio mmu setup and the output of lspci and that kind of thing look for that and then next up is going to be the gigabyte orus x370 gaming 5 and after that probably the Asus so and then more boards after that too one thing that you didn't mention that is going to be extreme important to our audience all these boards dripping with RGB don't worry about that yeah this this the the ASX actually got three RGB headers one for the fan because apparently AMD has an RGB fan and then two other RGB connections I mean oh and it's got RGB fans around the x370 chipset as well so you can like you can there it's just it's RGB everywhere tons of RGB also took a lot of macro photography so maybe you guys can use that as like wallpapers or backgrounds or something hopefully we remember to upload that to the Forum that's all we got we'll see you until next time see youa thing happened today and I guess AMD stocks Rising but uh will it be Vega VD vichi you already use that joke I definitely already used that joke but that's okay it was a good joke and we're going to use it again well my interest in AMD is rising yeah but we got to make sure that there's nothing in the package that's surprising we should stop now uh so ryzen x370 x370 is the only one that we've gotten to look at so far it is a am4 micro pin grid array and the it's the x370 chipset um I guess so we compare it to x99 and KB Lake obviously that those are the big competitors and probably the the first big comparison we look at is PCI connectivity of course with x99 you have 28 or 40 Lanes with KB Lake you have 16 plus4 uh x370 it's kind of in the middle yeah it's a it's it's Goldilocks it's like the Three Bears it's like you know one of the things that we complained about when we were doing our kbl Lake benchmarks is that it's like really we're still at four cores and there's not like a six core part I mean that's coming with Canon Lake I guess but then on the you know at the upper middle of the road on x99 you got the ,000 8 core the $1,700 10 core uh that's it's not I'm not really feeling that either then we have x370 and AMD sort of situated it right in the middle um it's it's a little weird so you guys remember the diagrams that we were talking about on the news and some of the other stuff where it's like I I'm looking at this and it doesn't make any sense because it's like SATA connectivity or nvme connectivity there's it's like I need a block diagram of the system I finally have a block diagram of the system it makes sense those diagrams I understand what they're talking about now and it's good okay so check it out this is uh this is courtesy of Asus this is for the Crosshair motherboard but generally you get the idea I really wish that I had this now uh AMD had two diagrams that they were showing they were showing the x370 and then they were showing the Enthusiast 8 core 16 thread part and now it kind of makes sense so you see the AMD am4 processor has direct connections it has you know direct interfaces for some of the USB resources dual Channel ddr4 PCI Express by6 for the graphics card or by 8x8 for two graphics cards or two peripherals but there's also a PCI Express 3.0 by4 interface for m.2 or in vme get the the real Tech audio resources which is just a red herring we're not going to talk about that I mean audio on the CPU okay whatever then you get the PCI Express by4 connection just like z170 just like z270 just like DMI 3.0 on Intel and that is connecting to the x370 chipset and then from there you get more you get your SATA connectivity you get more USB connectivity you get uh your PCI Express uh Gen 2 interface you get your Intel LAN adapter how funny is it that uh amds running Intel Lan and Intel Wireless on or I guess a lot of board integrators or board manufacturers are opting to go with with Intel for those well I think it's pretty common knowledge that everything else is inferior and most people are just going to put a card in if you don't give them their Intel Intel does make a damn nice ethernet adapter and I finally feel a little bit Vindicated because like the i210 on an Intel motherboard is actually more functional than like an i219 or an i217 218 219 V that's integrated into the CPU so it's like yeah i211 next Generation it's integrated into the motherboard W I think at this level of enthusiasm for parts you're not going to pull the wool over their eyes with a network adapter now the one interesting thing about the block diagram is the USB 3.0 ports now these are USB 3 .1 gen one or you know USB 3.0 depending on Whose marketing stuff you're subscribing to but they're they're the usb3 5 gbit per second ports that support the USB 3.1 signaling which is more efficient than the USB 3.0 signaling but it's still 5 GB per second those some of those are provided directly off of the CPU but the USB 3.1 interface is provided by connection through the x370 chipset so that's kind of interesting I'm surprised by that I'm surprised they didn't put the 10 gig interface directly into the CPU that is an odd choice now you might be looking at these PCI Lane numbers and saying to yourself well I'm not going to adopt ryzen because I need my dual Titans I need my SLI but the reality of the situation is it's not going to affect your performance that much to have the more limited lanes that maybe if we have super video cards in the future but not the foreseeable future no it's not it's really not going to matter so you could totally run dual cards with these PCI lanes and it's not going to affect your performance in any way that you're going to notice yeah Gamers Nexus I think it was Steve at Gamers Nexus um he ran the benchmarks and it was less than 1% performance difference with the absolute topend cards that they could get running them in bu6 or in a bu8 configuration so I think that pretty much seals the deal on PCI Express 3.0 and eight Lanes of connectivity it's not going to be bottleneck it's not going to be a problem I don't really see that as as an issue at all with x370 I mean even running you know mixed configuration like you're going to run a 10 gig or a dual 10 gig or a 40 gig ethernet card in the future along with you know PCI Express by8 for your uh graphics card not really a problem now everything that's running through x370 that is going to be limited to uh your 32 gbits per second total bandwidth that you have through x370 to the processor so like if you have all of your drives like if you're running nothing but SATA ssds and you've got tons of PCI Express peripherals or tons of other stuff then theoretically I could I could imagine that you could bottleneck that the other bad thing about this is that you can't run dual m.2 at least it would be difficult to run dual m.2 uh in PCI Express 3.0 the only way you could do that was with a PCI adapter and run your graphics card at by8 um there are a lot of Intel motherboards out there now that support dual PCI Express 3.0 know for your m.2 but if you really look at it the all of the m.2 is running through the z170 or z270 chipset so the chipset itself has the same bandwidth that is passing through to the m.2 uh and right now you know if you're running like the Toshiba rd400 and like a raid zero you're totally bottlenecking the uh the interface on z170 or z270 because the it's PCI Express by4 you can't you can't get blood out of a turnup it's just not fast enough um whereas with this I think if you were running one m.2 directly into the CPU and one m.2 on one of those those adapter cards then that's you know that's directly into the CPU there should not be a bottleneck there that's something that we need to test and is on the list of stuff to test but we haven't gotten there yet because we just got our stuff now another interesting thing about ryzen uh you sort of think about it as the budget part because you look at those prices yeah they're right you wonder okay where did they cut the corners but in terms of build quality you put these up against the Intel counterparts and you find some surprising things yeah yeah so already some people have been doing some DDS there's links to that in the description as well and you know these eight core parts are soldered AMD has used solder and there's also some capacitors and things like that under the integrated heat spreader and those have been sealed with silicone so you know compare and contrast that to Sky Lake and K Lake where it's like oh they didn't really even use a proper solder thermal compound and people are delting cake and getting 15 20° C differences uh yay AMD for putting it together the way that it's supposed to be having said that though uh the overclock so far the best we've been able to do is 3.8 GHz on two cores and 3.4 when using all eight cores y so it's not got the clock speed of its competitor that's on a 1700 so you know that's not really that far above you know like the spec that it normally does we have not really pushed the voltage uh the this taichi motherboard can deliver 300 watts to the processor we have not tried to put anywhere near 300 watts into the processor yet uh but it's on the to-do list uh so far it also seems like uh ECC Ram is totally working right yeah in Linux it's really hard to know like how do you know in software that ECC is working well it turns out that's a really difficult question to answer you sort of the software that will tell you has to sort of have the right magic handshake with the hardware and we're not really sure that any of the software has the right magic hand handshake with the software so we set up Fedora 25 and set up Linux kernel 4.1 and the only clue that I have that ECC is working is ECC as is reported as working on like second number seven in the boot up process it says you know like AMD uh M mdac or yeah mdac is is uh reporting that a dam ECC is enabled but if you run you know like the DMI dump or like the eom dump from the memory it knows that the memory is ECC but like the the bit widths are not reporting is like 72 bit versus 64 or wider than 128bit so I don't know 100% that ECC is working but I think it is also downloaded row Hammer so we did some row Hammer testing to try to flip bits and corrupt bits in with ddr4 because I was able to get non-air correcting memory to produce flipped bits with row hammer but that could also be the memory kit itself and the ECC kit that we have from Kingston uh was not able to um was not able to to to generate any flipped bits I have not tested the Kingston hyperx kit we got this really awesome kingst Kingston hyperx ddr4 3200 kit um the first five or six revisions of the UEFI that we were messing with uh getting the memory timings past 3,000 was problematic so I think 2933 is going to be safe out the gate um I think I think that cuz it's a new platform it's going to be a little bit fiddly the ram timings are a little bit weird it is only dual Channel you can run up to four DMS but it is only dual channel so like super clocked memory uh it's it's too problematic at the current stage and most of the motherboard manuals that we looked at you know it's like oh support up to ddr4 you know like 2633 at the at the top end but we have been able to get 2933 stable on the stuff that we've tested so far so and there was a a a little more latency than expected especially when using all of the memory slots oh yeah yeah I forgot about that it's uh we're getting memory latencies of around 100 NS when we would expect memory latencies of like 60 NS don't know how that's going to translate into real world performance yet though I dare not Hazard a guess because then we enter hype territory and we become the thing that we hate could also be that a ufi update is lurking around the corner well I mean if you know honestly I would have liked to have had more time to do this because you know there's at least one ufi update that we got that completely changed the parameters of testing and so it's like yeah we're going to publish all our benchmarks and stuff it's going to be great and it's like no no the only advice we can give you is that honestly probably for the next week take the benchmarks with a huge grain of salt because we've seen wild swings in performance with you know relatively minor UEFI updates so keep that in mind it's that launch day patch culture right up to the last minute yeah AMD probably forgot how to do a launch so it's been a while sorry I mean it's not untrue I mean good job so far though yeah yeah U these are the boards that we've gotten in so far there's a there's a an Asus Crosshair formula on the way supposedly that's going to have five-way optimization and automatic overclocking I have not done well with overclocking on AMD yet because I've got no information and no idea what I'm supposed to do as far as overclocking goes so I haven't done really well with that we got this really awesome orus uh gaming five from gigabyte um we're just getting our feet wet with this this is a really really awesome board we got this really amazing uh cooler from thermaltake it's the contact silent 12 it's a nice uh cooler for ryzen that's not like something overly complicated or something completely insane and then we've also got the Kingston hyperx um kit that we're going to use for testing I'm pretty sure that ddr4 3000 on all of the motherboards that we're going to test will not be a but that's going to be included in in our full test suite and then of course the azrock x370 taiichi uh this has been a really interesting board I like the Tai cheese in general because ASRock tries to not give you any crap and uh in terms of like oh we don't we're not going to give you all the extra features that nobody actually uses we're just going to give you a motherboard that has the stuff that you actually need and is at a reasonable price and I think it's 189 for the ASRock about uh about 200 for the gigabyte and about 250 for the Asus which you know given like the z270 launch prices and the performance that we're seeing holy crap that's that's a really good deal yeah the motherboard CPU combo is going to be considerably less it's it's really looking that way I you know again just preliminary testing but I think I would characterize ryzen the 8 core as basically a server CPU stuffed into a desktop chipset but I wouldn't discount it for gaming and other Enthusiast level yep applications yeah just because of that I mean it's it's going to serve that purpose at a price point that's going to be competitive yeah on Linux for like the multicore workloads and multi-thread test workloads it works really well so far I've not had good luck getting I mmu grouping for like KVM pass through so like video card pass through have not had good luck with in testing the I mmu groups groups the the graphics cards in the system together or it groups everything through the x370 chipset in one I mmu group so like if I install a PCI Express 2.0 graphics card it's going to be in the same uh I mmu group as like the SATA ports and everything else that's connected to the to the x370 hoping that gets changed with the firmware update but so far the the virtualization testing has not uh has not for for pass through has not gone well for other kinds of virtualization where you're just running a ton of virtual machines and you've got a lot of like IO load contention so far that's going really well it does seem like this chip it it shines when all of the cores are being used yes I would definitely agree with that I think that uh if you're looking for just like raw performance and you can get by with four cores or less uh I don't know I'm not really sure I think you may you may want to wait and see how the R5 is because supposedly the ryzen R5 you know that's going to be a six scoree part some of them or maybe all of them and 4 GHz on the clock speed uh you know and and on up and that's certainly easier when you're talking about six scores versus eight uh that may be something that you wait for that's coming Q2 of 2017 so yeah the 3.4 clock versus four out of the box H for those kind of applications you should probably wait we also don't have our 1800 x yet we pick that up tomorrow and the 1800 x supposedly if The Thermals and everything is right it'll turbo up to 4.0 we don't know if that's 4.0 in all cores but it'll turbo up to 4.0 supposedly and if we can push that you know 4.2 or you know maybe even a little bit better than that that may be a game changer but so far for testing like uh programs that are like one or two threads it does okay I mean with the with the 17 00 we see it clocking up to 3.8 GHz but uh it's going to need more testing to really say for sure to really say definitively I like that the m.2 is wired directly into the CPU though I think that that that ultimately will have been a wise decision from a system architecture standpoint and also it's important to note that when we say you know the other chips might outperform for single threaded type things we're not taking into consideration the cost yeah oh yeah so you know you still could get a better value even if for single threaded applications with ryzen well I guess the question is would I rather have two ryzen systems or one 8 core Intel and right now it's it's squarely in I'd rather have two ryzen systemss reason is it the case that I'd rather have a ryzen 1700 the $350 processor versus a KB Lake system clocked at 5 GHz that I'm not sure about if it's a choice between only those two but stay tuned and we'll we'll figure it out we'll figure out empirically this is not going to be subjective BS where it's around feelings and nonsense no this is not safe space testing well that's all we've got for ryzen um we're g to try yeah for now we're going to try to do the testing hell we might even pull this video down once we've got something better to replace it with it's untelling but uh if you guys have any questions or you want to share benchmarks or you want to do anything like that uh we should have the the first video out the gates probably going to be the ASRock taii x37 that was the first board that we got and uh I did Linux testing with it and some pretty heavy benchmarking um in Linux mostly very little Windows benchmarking so far um but we're going to try to get that out the gate and some more details about my iio mmu setup and the output of lspci and that kind of thing look for that and then next up is going to be the gigabyte orus x370 gaming 5 and after that probably the Asus so and then more boards after that too one thing that you didn't mention that is going to be extreme important to our audience all these boards dripping with RGB don't worry about that yeah this this the the ASX actually got three RGB headers one for the fan because apparently AMD has an RGB fan and then two other RGB connections I mean oh and it's got RGB fans around the x370 chipset as well so you can like you can there it's just it's RGB everywhere tons of RGB also took a lot of macro photography so maybe you guys can use that as like wallpapers or backgrounds or something hopefully we remember to upload that to the Forum that's all we got we'll see you until next time see you\n"