the back of Shield doing it over gigabit on a PC seems completely trivial so if you have very little latency if the bandwidth is enough then I don't see it being an obstacle at all it should be outstanding but it's going to depend on the technology I know Nvidia has actually probably done more work on the software than they have on the hardware when it comes to game stream if you guys have tried Limelight it's a terrible experience the leg is very tangible whereas gam stream Works incredibly well and Limelight claims to be using the same h264 decode engine that's built into either Snapdragon chip or into the Nvidia Tegra chip so that's my take on it so streaming okay so let's just take a step back from the streaming though do you think that people are going to buy Steam OS steam machines to stream on like do you think that that's going to be the number one thing because I feel like there's there's other ways you could stream like I I just don't think that that's like the killer app I feel like the killer app has got to be a cheap small formfactor PC that's actually in your living room or whatever I don't see a lot of people who are going to buy a steam machine and also going to have you know a $2,000 system in their other room like do you think that's really going to be a really big thing or I think Ste OS is going to be for nerds at the beginning and I think that they're probably just going to already own a PC so we're not talking about a purchasing decision that goes am I going to buy one am I going to buy two PCS or am I going to buy one we're going to be talking about I have a PC I'm going to add this okay and I think that because of the limited support for Linux titles the fact that performance isn't great um that it's going to have to be the killer app okay what do you guys think well I think for the steam machine I think the biggest thing aside from getting supported more games for the Steam OS would be the form factor a lot of people are you know you're looking for a lot smaller form factor compact everything uh and that's going to be the the major sort of your purchasing decision I think would be based on that just who can make the smallest thing most powerful thing I guess with the iris we're seeing is uh delivering actually pretty acceptable performance even though at 720p you can tone down the settings a little bit to get you know you're looking at 40 perhaps to 60 FPS in Battlefield 4 uh that's the G bricks spr so yeah so Marquez what would actually it take you cuz I know you're not quite a massive gamer what would it take you to buy a steam machine I was going to say on top of all that keyword would be cheap price price for performance when people are looking at you know adding something to the what they already have like you said people already have a computer the decision to make that extra purchase is is going to depend entirely on how affordable they can get this stuff to be so that's what I would add to that is it has has to be really cheap that is exactly it because that's why that's what will make Steam OS make sense streaming from crap you already own as opposed to buying a $2,000 gaming box that sits under your TV where you use it once in a while so

I think for the steam machine I think the biggest thing aside from getting supported more games for the Steam OS would be the form factor a lot of people are you know you're looking for a lot smaller form factor compact everything uh and that's going to be the the major sort of your purchasing decision I think would be based on that just who can make the smallest thing most powerful thing I guess with the iris we're seeing is uh delivering actually pretty acceptable performance even though at 720p you can tone down the settings a little bit to get you know you're looking at 40 perhaps to 60 FPS in Battlefield 4 uh that's the G bricks spr so yeah so Marquez what would actually it take you cuz I know you're not quite a massive gamer what would it take you to buy a steam machine I was going to say on top of all that keyword would be cheap price price for performance when people are looking at you know adding something to the what they already have like you said people already have a computer the decision to make that extra purchase is is going to depend entirely on how affordable they can get this stuff to be so that's what I would add to that is it has has to be really cheap that is exactly it because that's why that's what will make Steam OS make sense streaming from crap you already own as opposed to buying a $2,000 gaming box that sits under your TV where you use it once in a while so

I think for the steam machine I think the biggest thing aside from getting supported more games for the Steam OS would be the form factor a lot of people are you know you're looking for a lot smaller form factor compact everything uh and that's going to be the the major sort of your purchasing decision I think would be based on that just who can make the smallest thing most powerful thing I guess with the iris we're seeing is uh delivering actually pretty acceptable performance even though at 720p you can tone down the settings a little bit to get you know you're looking at 40 perhaps to 60 FPS in Battlefield 4 uh that's the G bricks spr so yeah so Marquez what would actually it take you cuz I know you're not quite a massive gamer what would it take you to buy a steam machine I was going to say on top of all that keyword would be cheap price price for performance when people are looking at you know adding something to the what they already have like you said people already have a computer the decision to make that extra purchase is is going to depend entirely on how affordable they can get this stuff to be so that's what I would add to that is it has has to be really cheap that is exactly it because that's why that's what will make Steam OS make sense streaming from crap you already own as opposed to buying a $2,000 gaming box that sits under your TV where you use it once in a while

WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey guys this is Austin and today we're here at CES I'm not looking at you and we're all going to be talking a little bit about Steam OS and steam machines so who is this guy okay who's this oh oh hey guys it's me lonus no don't do that har D here and I'm Marquez from MKBHD so we literally just all just met up here over at the zot Booth so we decided let's talk a little bit about Steam OS so how many steam machines have you seen so far like there's a there's a gigabyte one and there's the Zotac oh Steam Machines okay in terms of actual Hardware I mean I guess almost anything's a steam machine but in terms of ones that are really more optimal I guess I've seen the one here I've seen the tiny little bricks Pro over at Intel and then I was taken into the back room at Cooler Master where unspeakable things happened and in addition to that in exchange I got to see sort of an upcoming maybe design of some kind of chassis that might make sense for some kind of a Steam OS implementation but that's all the only one I've seen actually running the OS is over at Intel cool how about you have you seen any Steam Machines yet alware is releasing one and I'm sure that's going to be sort of popular along the Dell Fanboys I mean it's a Alienware so you only only Dell Fanboys clearly yeah but it it's obviously targeting being targeted towards that uh that market like with their like the X51 I asked them is this going to be replaced the X51 from Alienware because also a small for factor it's a running Windows versus Steam OS and they said no no no it's it's completely do different things but I think it's going to be you know they're they're basically the same thing running different o interesting I well we've actually been hanging out the whole time we haven't seen any yet yeah together we've seen only this one behind us yeah so let's talk about this one so this one is actually have two behind us right there's one Irish Pro and there's one with Nvidia Graphics um or is the the Intel one is not technically a steam machine right zot has a lot of different little Z boxes the one that we were looking at right there is Iris Pro Graphics Iris Pro Graphics all right so do you think Iris Pro Graphics is about a sweet spot for where a steam machine should be as far as Graphics you know obviously keeping in mind it needs to be small and fairly cheap or do you think that maybe like you know throwing in like a cheap little AMD or Nvidia card might be a better idea well the problem is we we've actually set up Steam OS on a machine and uh the issue is that you can play some games on it right now but two of the critical features that are going to be coming aren't there in the beta yet one of them is the account sharing so you can actually share your games and then the other one is the game streaming feature that'll allow you to stream from another PC yeah if that feature is outstanding then you could probably run Steam OS on like a watch if it came to that and then you could Leverage The Power of something else as long as you have an h264 decode engine on it so it'll really depend on how well that feature works and how low the latency is for me to even speculate yeah I don't know I mean we both tried the Nvidia Shield have you tried the shield yes AB okay so all four of us so what do you guys think if the streaming service is kind of similar to Shield do you think it's going to be good enough do you think it needs to be better cuz I noticed for me with the shield it was good about within 10 15 ft of the router but like if I went a room or so over I started getting like dropped frames every little while like what do you think it needs to be better like do you think technology needs to advance a little bit more or what start on that side this time I'm what these guys think all right so what do you think well streaming I think is uh like the shield technology they're they showcase the demo in at the video press conference where they were streaming from France and the game play was laggy I'm going to be hon it wasn't as smooth as we come to expect but they're showcasing that this uh sort of streaming across the ocean is possible and I think that the next thing for streaming in the living room in the consumer home is based on your router and expanding that signal kind of like what Asus is doing with their modems and stuff yeah any thoughts yeah I mean for as long as I've Had The Shield I've actually never used the gaming streaming from uh my PC so if I were to talk about Shield it would be all about the games that are already playable on it but I get comments all the time about people who are trying this kind of stuff and saying you know my internet connection I don't know if it's good enough I don't know if I'm going to be able to enjoy the experience fully so I think when that's once that's good enough it's going to be really important for a lot of people cool yeah I don't know I what do you think yeah what do you think it depends on how it goes like like I said like with the shield I haven't had the best experience I've got like an AC router in the whole deal but that being said I think Steam OS like you can run that pretty much on anything like you could technically do it on a Windows box or pretty much anything I feel like the real value of Steam OS is actually being able to run games on the box I mean streaming is kind of nice but so as far as the game support so I saw something about there's about what like 10% of uh steam tiles that actually are uh ready for valve or I'm sorry ready for valve ready for Linux right now like what do you think is like the support because I know I was trying uh when the steam uh the first Steam OS released I tried a couple games including Left 4 Dead as well as uh Metro GL light and I was really not impressed with the performance or the optimization that much like do you think that games have a long way to go or do you think that once these come out we'll be pretty much ready to Plug and Play and that's exactly the trick isn't it because if the streaming works just great then who cares because you can have a Windows box sitting somewhere else in your house in a closet for all you care and that'll handle all the gaming horsepower um as it is I think my steam library has around 45 supported games on Steam OS most of them are ones that's like indie games and stuff like that but I'm just going to sort of take a moment here and go okay I'm going to be in completely the opposite Camp of all of you and game stream is absolutely amazing the issu is you do need the hardware for it I actually have a $300 ubiquity AC access point waiting for me when I get back now from what I heard from Wendell at Tex indicate he's saying that if you want a truly wired grade obviously no wirelesses wired grade but if you want more like a wired grade Wireless experience there's either the ubiquity or there's like a $1,000 plus linkis AC access point and that's what you're pretty much looking at so I'm going to be evaluating it from that standpoint cuz I had a strong dual band router and I couldn't get more than 5T away from it then I went to an Asus strong dual band end router and all of a sudden I could get to my bedroom and I'm playing Super Meat Boy on Shield streaming not natively on Android and the fact that I'm like a you know one and a half through one and a half worlds using Shield should be all you need to know about how low the latency is the fact that you can do anything in that game with shield on game stream should be all you need to know now with Steam OS I don't think that the latency of your internet connection the latency of your wireless connection is relevant at all because there are plenty of options for getting a wired connection to your Steam Box in which case we're talking about latencies of less than 1 millisecond over the network and given that you can stream 720p and even 1080p over 1000 ethernet using an on the-go dongle on the back of Shield doing it over gigabit on a PC seems completely trivial so if you have very little latency if the bandwidth is enough then I don't see it being an obstacle at all it should be outstanding but it's going to depend on the technology I know Nvidia has actually probably done more work on the software than they have on the hardware when it comes to game stream if you guys have tried Limelight it's a terrible experience the leg is very tangible whereas gam stream Works incredibly well and Limelight claims to be using the same h264 decode engine that's built into either Snapdragon chip or into the Nvidia Tegra chip so that's my take on it so streaming okay so let's just take a step back from the streaming though do you think that people are going to buy Steam OS steam machines to stream on like do you think that that's going to be the number one thing because I feel like there's there's other ways you could stream like I I just don't think that that's like the killer app I feel like the killer app has got to be a cheap small formfactor PC that's actually in your living room or whatever I don't see a lot of people who are going to buy a steam machine and also going to have you know a $2,000 system in their other room like do you think that's really going to be a really big thing or I think Ste OS is going to be for nerds at the beginning and I think that they're probably just going to already own a PC so we're not talking about a purchasing decision that goes am I going to buy one am I going to buy two PCS or am I going to buy one we're going to be talking about I have a PC I'm going to add this okay and I think that because of the limited support for Linux titles the fact that performance isn't great um that it's going to have to be the killer app okay what do you guys think well I think for the steam machine I think the biggest thing aside from getting supported more games for the Steam OS would be the form factor a lot of people are you know you're looking for a lot smaller form factor compact everything uh and that's going to be the the major sort of your purchasing decision I think would be based on that just who can make the smallest thing most powerful thing I guess with the iris we're seeing is uh delivering actually pretty acceptable performance even though at 720p you can tone down the settings a little bit to get you know you're looking at 40 perhaps to 60 FPS in Battlefield 4 uh that's the G bricks spr so yeah so Marquez what would actually it take you cuz I know you're not quite a massive gamer what would it take you to buy a steam machine I was going to say on top of all that keyword would be cheap price price for performance when people are looking at you know adding something to the what they already have like you said people already have a computer the decision to make that extra purchase is is going to depend entirely on how affordable they can get this stuff to be so that's what I would add to that is it has has to be really cheap that is exactly it because that's why that's what will make Steam OS make sense streaming from crap you already own as opposed to buying a $2,000 gaming box that sits under your TV where you use it once in a while so that you hit the nail on the head all right so I think we've got it so if you guys want to know more from these guys so where can they find you sir um well there's like a cave and uh I live in it sometimes I come out of the cave and the light it blinds sorry u lus tech tips on YouTube at linch on Twitter or linch tips.com if you want to join our community Forum all right and Marquez uh youtube.com/ MKBHD or anything else SL MKBHD anything else anything else except for red.com Google Plus ironically red all right and you uh haruku so youtube/ heru and hu.com R anyway guys be sure to go check these guys out and we will catch you next time maybe probably nothey guys this is Austin and today we're here at CES I'm not looking at you and we're all going to be talking a little bit about Steam OS and steam machines so who is this guy okay who's this oh oh hey guys it's me lonus no don't do that har D here and I'm Marquez from MKBHD so we literally just all just met up here over at the zot Booth so we decided let's talk a little bit about Steam OS so how many steam machines have you seen so far like there's a there's a gigabyte one and there's the Zotac oh Steam Machines okay in terms of actual Hardware I mean I guess almost anything's a steam machine but in terms of ones that are really more optimal I guess I've seen the one here I've seen the tiny little bricks Pro over at Intel and then I was taken into the back room at Cooler Master where unspeakable things happened and in addition to that in exchange I got to see sort of an upcoming maybe design of some kind of chassis that might make sense for some kind of a Steam OS implementation but that's all the only one I've seen actually running the OS is over at Intel cool how about you have you seen any Steam Machines yet alware is releasing one and I'm sure that's going to be sort of popular along the Dell Fanboys I mean it's a Alienware so you only only Dell Fanboys clearly yeah but it it's obviously targeting being targeted towards that uh that market like with their like the X51 I asked them is this going to be replaced the X51 from Alienware because also a small for factor it's a running Windows versus Steam OS and they said no no no it's it's completely do different things but I think it's going to be you know they're they're basically the same thing running different o interesting I well we've actually been hanging out the whole time we haven't seen any yet yeah together we've seen only this one behind us yeah so let's talk about this one so this one is actually have two behind us right there's one Irish Pro and there's one with Nvidia Graphics um or is the the Intel one is not technically a steam machine right zot has a lot of different little Z boxes the one that we were looking at right there is Iris Pro Graphics Iris Pro Graphics all right so do you think Iris Pro Graphics is about a sweet spot for where a steam machine should be as far as Graphics you know obviously keeping in mind it needs to be small and fairly cheap or do you think that maybe like you know throwing in like a cheap little AMD or Nvidia card might be a better idea well the problem is we we've actually set up Steam OS on a machine and uh the issue is that you can play some games on it right now but two of the critical features that are going to be coming aren't there in the beta yet one of them is the account sharing so you can actually share your games and then the other one is the game streaming feature that'll allow you to stream from another PC yeah if that feature is outstanding then you could probably run Steam OS on like a watch if it came to that and then you could Leverage The Power of something else as long as you have an h264 decode engine on it so it'll really depend on how well that feature works and how low the latency is for me to even speculate yeah I don't know I mean we both tried the Nvidia Shield have you tried the shield yes AB okay so all four of us so what do you guys think if the streaming service is kind of similar to Shield do you think it's going to be good enough do you think it needs to be better cuz I noticed for me with the shield it was good about within 10 15 ft of the router but like if I went a room or so over I started getting like dropped frames every little while like what do you think it needs to be better like do you think technology needs to advance a little bit more or what start on that side this time I'm what these guys think all right so what do you think well streaming I think is uh like the shield technology they're they showcase the demo in at the video press conference where they were streaming from France and the game play was laggy I'm going to be hon it wasn't as smooth as we come to expect but they're showcasing that this uh sort of streaming across the ocean is possible and I think that the next thing for streaming in the living room in the consumer home is based on your router and expanding that signal kind of like what Asus is doing with their modems and stuff yeah any thoughts yeah I mean for as long as I've Had The Shield I've actually never used the gaming streaming from uh my PC so if I were to talk about Shield it would be all about the games that are already playable on it but I get comments all the time about people who are trying this kind of stuff and saying you know my internet connection I don't know if it's good enough I don't know if I'm going to be able to enjoy the experience fully so I think when that's once that's good enough it's going to be really important for a lot of people cool yeah I don't know I what do you think yeah what do you think it depends on how it goes like like I said like with the shield I haven't had the best experience I've got like an AC router in the whole deal but that being said I think Steam OS like you can run that pretty much on anything like you could technically do it on a Windows box or pretty much anything I feel like the real value of Steam OS is actually being able to run games on the box I mean streaming is kind of nice but so as far as the game support so I saw something about there's about what like 10% of uh steam tiles that actually are uh ready for valve or I'm sorry ready for valve ready for Linux right now like what do you think is like the support because I know I was trying uh when the steam uh the first Steam OS released I tried a couple games including Left 4 Dead as well as uh Metro GL light and I was really not impressed with the performance or the optimization that much like do you think that games have a long way to go or do you think that once these come out we'll be pretty much ready to Plug and Play and that's exactly the trick isn't it because if the streaming works just great then who cares because you can have a Windows box sitting somewhere else in your house in a closet for all you care and that'll handle all the gaming horsepower um as it is I think my steam library has around 45 supported games on Steam OS most of them are ones that's like indie games and stuff like that but I'm just going to sort of take a moment here and go okay I'm going to be in completely the opposite Camp of all of you and game stream is absolutely amazing the issu is you do need the hardware for it I actually have a $300 ubiquity AC access point waiting for me when I get back now from what I heard from Wendell at Tex indicate he's saying that if you want a truly wired grade obviously no wirelesses wired grade but if you want more like a wired grade Wireless experience there's either the ubiquity or there's like a $1,000 plus linkis AC access point and that's what you're pretty much looking at so I'm going to be evaluating it from that standpoint cuz I had a strong dual band router and I couldn't get more than 5T away from it then I went to an Asus strong dual band end router and all of a sudden I could get to my bedroom and I'm playing Super Meat Boy on Shield streaming not natively on Android and the fact that I'm like a you know one and a half through one and a half worlds using Shield should be all you need to know about how low the latency is the fact that you can do anything in that game with shield on game stream should be all you need to know now with Steam OS I don't think that the latency of your internet connection the latency of your wireless connection is relevant at all because there are plenty of options for getting a wired connection to your Steam Box in which case we're talking about latencies of less than 1 millisecond over the network and given that you can stream 720p and even 1080p over 1000 ethernet using an on the-go dongle on the back of Shield doing it over gigabit on a PC seems completely trivial so if you have very little latency if the bandwidth is enough then I don't see it being an obstacle at all it should be outstanding but it's going to depend on the technology I know Nvidia has actually probably done more work on the software than they have on the hardware when it comes to game stream if you guys have tried Limelight it's a terrible experience the leg is very tangible whereas gam stream Works incredibly well and Limelight claims to be using the same h264 decode engine that's built into either Snapdragon chip or into the Nvidia Tegra chip so that's my take on it so streaming okay so let's just take a step back from the streaming though do you think that people are going to buy Steam OS steam machines to stream on like do you think that that's going to be the number one thing because I feel like there's there's other ways you could stream like I I just don't think that that's like the killer app I feel like the killer app has got to be a cheap small formfactor PC that's actually in your living room or whatever I don't see a lot of people who are going to buy a steam machine and also going to have you know a $2,000 system in their other room like do you think that's really going to be a really big thing or I think Ste OS is going to be for nerds at the beginning and I think that they're probably just going to already own a PC so we're not talking about a purchasing decision that goes am I going to buy one am I going to buy two PCS or am I going to buy one we're going to be talking about I have a PC I'm going to add this okay and I think that because of the limited support for Linux titles the fact that performance isn't great um that it's going to have to be the killer app okay what do you guys think well I think for the steam machine I think the biggest thing aside from getting supported more games for the Steam OS would be the form factor a lot of people are you know you're looking for a lot smaller form factor compact everything uh and that's going to be the the major sort of your purchasing decision I think would be based on that just who can make the smallest thing most powerful thing I guess with the iris we're seeing is uh delivering actually pretty acceptable performance even though at 720p you can tone down the settings a little bit to get you know you're looking at 40 perhaps to 60 FPS in Battlefield 4 uh that's the G bricks spr so yeah so Marquez what would actually it take you cuz I know you're not quite a massive gamer what would it take you to buy a steam machine I was going to say on top of all that keyword would be cheap price price for performance when people are looking at you know adding something to the what they already have like you said people already have a computer the decision to make that extra purchase is is going to depend entirely on how affordable they can get this stuff to be so that's what I would add to that is it has has to be really cheap that is exactly it because that's why that's what will make Steam OS make sense streaming from crap you already own as opposed to buying a $2,000 gaming box that sits under your TV where you use it once in a while so that you hit the nail on the head all right so I think we've got it so if you guys want to know more from these guys so where can they find you sir um well there's like a cave and uh I live in it sometimes I come out of the cave and the light it blinds sorry u lus tech tips on YouTube at linch on Twitter or linch tips.com if you want to join our community Forum all right and Marquez uh youtube.com/ MKBHD or anything else SL MKBHD anything else anything else except for red.com Google Plus ironically red all right and you uh haruku so youtube/ heru and hu.com R anyway guys be sure to go check these guys out and we will catch you next time maybe probably not