**The Frustrations of Managing Apple IDs**

As someone who has been dealing with Apple IDs for a long time, I have to say that managing them can be a real challenge. Having multiple IDs for different country stores is not uncommon, but having an email address and iCloud account on top of it all can be a bit overwhelming. As a developer, this may seem like a normal part of the process, but for those who are just trying to get their Apple ID setup right, it can be a nightmare.

One thing that I wish Apple would do is make it easier to merge these accounts so that the purchase history is seen across all of them. This would save me so much time and hassle in the long run. And another thing that would be great is if they didn't lose my test flight access every time I try to sign in to get a free Apple TV+. It's like they're trying to make it as difficult as possible.

**Reaching Out**

If you've had an experience with Apple IDs that's annoyed or frustrated you, please write us back. We want to hear about it and maybe we can find a way to help each other out. If you've enjoyed watching an Apple TV Plus show, let us know too! We'd love to hear your thoughts on the service.

**The Apple Insider Community**

Our attorneys are only practicing in two states, but don't worry - affiliate law firms will be able to help you in other states as well. However, we're not doing that kind of gathering here. Just want to talk about how frustrating it is with Apple IDs and maybe get some advice from our listeners.

**How Can We Reach You?**

If you have an experience with Apple IDs or just want to share your thoughts on the service, you can email us at William@appleinsider.com and Victor@appleinsider.com. You can also reach out to us on Twitter - we'll be happy to hear from you!

**Looking Ahead to Next Week**

We're not sure what's coming up next week, but we don't want to dash anyone's hopes for a new Macbook Pro just yet. Instead, we thought we'd recommend some apps that we've been using lately. One of our favorites is Zippy Cal - it's a unique way of visualizing your schedule and day. The app uses a big circle with a 12-hour clock face and allows you to swipe up to see the details.

Another app that we're really interested in is HomeRun, which offers four different apps: HomePass, HomeScan, HomeCam, and HomeRun. These apps are all related to HomeKit and allow users to view cameras on their phone or Apple TV, scan codes, and manage their HomeKit devices.

**Two Great Apps**

If you're using HomeKit at all, we highly recommend checking out these two apps. They're both really useful and have made a big difference in our lives. We'll be back next week with more updates and recommendations - thanks for tuning in!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to this episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor marks and joining me is the wondrous William Gallagher yeah I can tell you what I'm wessing about this time it's whether I can dare ever speak to you again after last week and what you did was that good did that that was that was excellent I'm I'm really pleased with that what I want to say about what I did last week it's a good thing you did in in most respects but okay what what I did last week was I I got equally some of the worst feedback we've ever gotten on a show and some of the best feedback we've ever gotten on the show right and I especially want to thank our listeners who who raised the accessibility issues to me and followed up with feedback and comments about on accessibility and iOS and the problems that they face and it's it's really difficult you know there there are people who obviously should have all the same access to to both the device and all the things that the device grants access to the internet social media um texting messaging Communications there's there's a huge world out there and if you don't have a device you are cut off from it and it's it's easy for people who don't have these these challenges to forget and you know we talk about people loading government services onto devices or or you know just go to Facebook or things like this but if you don't have a device that has accessibility if you don't have the ability to access this kind of stuff it's a real problem and you know there are ma there were major bugs in voiceover where voice over would stock coping completely after having been on a phone call uh in years past Braille users of of displays would lose the ability to type or read on their displays and there have been some really serious bugs with almost every release of iOS over the past few years inaccessibility so this is this is a really a big problem because when you have these sorts of problems repeatedly um if I may you were talking about the accessibility things I have a slight out of that that might be uh useful can I bang on with that or do you need me to no no so please go ahead and talk I I'll I'll let you speak about accessibility I think we need to focus on this a little bit okay well I got to say actually this all uh makes the thing I was about to accuse you of seem quite trivial and and silly in comparison I I'm long been aware accessible isses as well as one can I mean intellectually one expects that one knows about accessibility it's only when you actually need it that you really appreciate it but for so many years in so many ways I've been deeply impressed with what Apple has done so the fact that it's now going wrong and and you say going wrong over some time that that's even more disappointing than it not being there in the first place for years we felt comfortable talking about accessibility and for years we felt comfortable recommending U Max because they just worked and this this is a real difficulty uh especially when people can't have the confidence that they need that their device is going to work right you know an example of a a a bug is Bluetooth hearing aids where the audio handling is such that when a a user has hearing aids paired voiceover sounds still come through the speaker we have difficulties and and these have to be better addressed and Bug reporting has to be better addressed you had some thoughts about accessibility William yeah not very useful ones I think actually intellectually one is always very aware of uh accessibility but you you can't ever really understand it until you need it but given my position over the years I've been very impressed with apple and how it's uh seemingly done far far more about accessibility than anyone else so actually now you to tell me that it's going wrong and has been going wrong for quite some time time that's that's probably more disappointing than it not being there in the first place yeah I we we are going to spend some more time on this I am really going to um live with voiceover and try and interact with with it as as best I can yeah because you know imagine that you were a a technology director at a school and you were trying to make sure that your your systems were all set up for accommodating students with these needs and so you're testing this stuff out and having to live with it and finding how much goes wrong it's really a difficult thing I mean having to make this your main device instead of a beta device right and one of the things I'm most concerned about is that there's you know reporting bugs and giving feedback to Apple is hard enough as it is for you know T typical users that that have all all of the uh the abilities that apple might or anyone might assume and uh it's it's just uh boggling to me how on Earth people with these needs are able to report bugs at all and not that you know with with broken tools getting in the way I mean no I understand it's just it's it's an entire world so yes we should dig into it I'm just ever more conscious the thing I was going to talk to you about is really really trivial so maybe I I'll just leave that and next time say to you what you did two weeks ago God how's that so there yeah oh yeah good word so there yes so there right Qualcomm remember Qualcomm really thought you'd press me on what you did last week but okay Qualcomm yes yes heard of them Qualcomm had their investor conference call with their big earnings reveal yes and they said that 2020 is going to hold two inflection points that's the quote for 5G chip chips so the first major development for 5G will be the spring launch of handsets from folks like Samsung and other Chinese manufacturers things like this right I didn't know that but it makes sense yes Fair a second inflection point will arrive quote in the fall time frame when another set of Flagship devices will adopt 5G end quote yes you suppose what what what what kind of device launches what Flagship device launches in the no you don't you don't mean no you can't mean 5G coming to airpods I I can but I don't think that that's a 2020 thing okay shot in the dark play the Hunch what what else could it possibly be I I would say that would happen to Apple watch before it would ever happen to uh to airpods but I think airpods are going to one day get it okay airpods are on my mind for reasons but okay what do you I presume I iPhone then in which case this is shocking news Apple iPhone will have 5G from Qualcomm qualcom in 2020 which is something we've been saying all along but this is the first time that the CFO of Qualcomm has confirmed it oh basically okay and uh now now this Qualcomm CFO didn't name iPhone right yeah they just noted they just made note that by the way Apple and Google typically introduce new smartphones in fall in lock step with an annual release cycle yes and don't know why we bring that up at this point when we say we're about to look yeah two two inflection points one in the fall for Flagship devices and by the way Apple and Google release in the fall you may think so but I couldn't possibly comment that kind of thing yes okay exactly you might you might draw that conclusion but I couldn't possibly comment all right I remember when quc was all who's suing who and all this stuff but this is more interesting I like this this is better mhm and uh CEO of Qualcomm Steve mop said in an interview that his company's been tapped to provide 5G silicon to over 230 device designs that's up from 150 devices last quarter okay how many iPhones are there going to be well obviously that's not all iPhones right there are other phones available Samsung and Huawei would like you to think so Google certainly has a pixel phone that they advertise they might have sell a handful okay i' vaguely heard about that all right I thought you might yeah okay now currently the iPhone you know for the past two years the iPhone and iPad lines have been using Intel's chips for the uh the modems this is a return to Qualcomm the the projection is that Apple's going to be working on their own 5G modem for using an iPhone around 2022 and further that once they have that sorted out they could in 2023 or so integrate that into the CPU into the a series system on chip okay yes I'm following this there's not not a whole lot to follow it's just this is this is the direction things are going in all right I thought you were building up to something else and I was just holding in my head okay NOP nope that that was that oh well then in that Cas I think last week's thing was more interesting but you know you don't want to know so you oh go on let me tell you because it was your fault and I Blame You F I have I bought Apple airpods last week because of you yeah I congratulations and I don't see how I'm responsible you made some crack about how if I got them I'd have the set all three versions and I started thinking yes and that'd be interesting to compare them all and was I incorrect uh no you were fully correct it just hadn't entered my head before and clearly I'm a completist um because I pretty much straight after that podcast I went out and spent more money than I should have done I I want to tell Angela that I am not responsible for your abuse of Finance okay make sure just because you abuse your bank account has nothing to do with me I couldn't possibly comment okay but uh amongst the the general blame I'm sending away also said Thanks cuz I love him so thank you very much yes well done well done but that was last week what has Apple done for us this week you know that's a great question Apple has gone ahead and made health records available to Veterans across the United States so all US veterans eligible for VA Healthcare are able to access their health records in the health app yeah so that that follows a summerlong trial and the VA joins John's Hopkins University of California San Diego Quest Diagnostics all scripts um UNC uh Duke um people participating in some some of the groups participating in the the my chart portal system a ton 400 other healthcare provider organizations lab networks Lab Core um all support health records on iPhone cool and including the VA in there is a big deal because you know helping veterans gain a better understanding of their health is is Apple's chance to show gratitude for their service as says Jeff Williams Apple's Chief Operating Officer uh by working with VA to offer health records on iPhone we hope to help those who have served have greater peace of mind their healthc care is in good hands now in in the US we have sometimes a difficult relationship with with the VA just because it's it sometimes we're we we read reports about veterans not getting the services they need or or the VA facilities and and bureaucracy not living up to the promise of what they should be able to deliver so you know our our article says historically veterans have had a problem with records of medical treatment scattered across several facilities vessels bases and so forth the health records integration isn't perfect as evidenced by a check uh this morning by one apple and cider staffer you know but but in our case some old records housed in Virginia and Hawaii were fully integrated for the first time in 20 years wow okay now obviously there are some pitfalls because if you've got paper records including some following a departure from service they may not have been entered or scanned for the record so so it's possible for there to be some issues but we expect especially over time that those issues will work themselves out yes and this anything it's obviously a lot better now than it ever has been the this it's just the start of a journey but what a good journey to be on excellent okay AB impressive you know speaking of Journeys I I like to think about things as sort of lifelong learning right sure we're all on this journey together all learning all all progressing all trying to better ourselves yes You' agree with that yeah yeah I'm hoping you're leading to an adre rather than just something you feel I should address in my personal life maybe my finances or something but yeah it's a little bit of both but I am absolutely focused on your well-being and your your growth as a person William ah thank you for it he said wearily and that's that's kind of why I want to mention master class so Master Class lets you learn from the best with exclusive access to online classes taught by masters of their craft you could learn how to shoot uh films you could improve your writing with lessons from Neil Gaiman you could learn game design with with Will Wright and they have over 60 different instructors across tons of categories so there's literally something for everyone like you William you could learn to write screenplays okay yes I think I think that would be excellent you should totally do that okay never entered my head before okay I there's there's I think it'd be really valuable there you could learn something yes I doubtlessly I could yes I just convinced with the way you're pronouncing it pronouncing it the way you um you look like you look like you're saying this while looking at me that way so okay yes but yes it's a really interesting service yeah I want to talk a little bit about will right and and game development so Will Wright has a game development master class on there and the cours workk is really exciting you know it's it's very heavy on coming up with game Concepts and prototyping them so by the time you you go through this thing you'll have around 10 or more of your own Concepts to work out and they expect you to prototype these in some way and they they later on in the course ask you to create a more complete prototype as sort of a Capstone project and now obviously the lectures are bent a little bit towards rights kind of games but these Concepts the high level concepts are applicable to any genre and he points out how so it's it's really good and the the content is good and the presentation and production values are just the topnotch it's really really good excellent and you know Will Wright is is is especially you know he he was working at Maxis um this is a guy who you know he's talked at game developers conference GDC um there is absolutely a lot of value here it's it's a really impressive course and I highly recommend you check it out get unlimited access to every master class and as an apple Insider podcast listener you get 15% off the annual all access pass go to masterclass.com appleinsider that's masterclass.com apppp inssider for 15% off masterclass so William someone wrote about Apple having a new privacy page yes well that would be me wouldn't it yes some some rep scallion some scoundrel I'm not but yeah what what's changed well two things really one is a sort of surface change if you like it it looks very different um which is more important than it sounds uh what they've changed is they've made they've made it like a primer anything you're concerned about is my safe when I'm using Maps am I telling people this there are about like paragraph long descriptions of exactly what goes on and when and they're really well done um but then they've also added a series of four white papers um things on location services Maps photos and safe web browsing totals about 40 pages of some really specific details of what your iPhone or device uh does at any one time and it's it's just laid out there it's very clear and and really well done wild it's it's interesting because you know this is one of the big pushes that Apple has done uh since Tim Cook became more vocal right obviously privacy as a focus started way back with Steve Jobs but but Tim has really pushed it Forward would you agree with that oh totally I mean increasingly it's I think especially this year actually it's just got more and more and more so yeah fascinating actually you to see to track back and see how much Apple has done because you you have this thing of you know Steve Jobs and Steve wnc in their garage they were not thinking about this stuff uh but when did they start and about 10 11 years ago uh you can see Steve Jobs is already being really vehement about everything it's very impressive um the depth of detail they go into and how passionate they are about it I mean I I am of a mind that you could argue uh Apple has found a nice differentiator um that it can champion this and that it's purely a profit thing um that this is a really good selling point and doubtlessly it is but it wasn't when they started and and I actually believe them I think the efforts are laudable yeah you know the the old Jobs quote that is still good is I believe people are smart and some people want to share more data than other people do ask them ask them every time make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of you're asking them let them know precisely what you're going to do with their data yes because he actually said that in a Wall Street Journal conference and in the audience was Mark Zuckerberg and there one point he where he talks about where jobs says um we at Apple are more concerned than some of our colleagues and it's like he pauses trying to think of a word to describe Zuckerberg and some of our colle colleagues and without question it's directed at Zuckerberg which I mean this is what 2010 or something yeah but the thing is back then in those early days jobs had advised Zuckerberg I didn't know that no oh so so the way that jobs jobs was was accessible to other Founders not of course not every every guy with a startup but obviously to ones that were really succeeding in becoming a prominent thing like that jobs was made himself sometimes accessible to and so he would go for walks in his neighborhood wow and just have little chats and and Zuckerberg went for a walk with jobs and had a had a just a walking chat at least one time yeah okay and I don't know if if it was more than that but but this happened once that that we know of and um it's it's interesting to see how those two diverged yeah yeah I thought it was also depressing that um there was reference in the Wall Street journal's description of it of all the things that people were concerned about with Facebook uh and it was the same then as it is now um so well this is interesting so I I was going through the history of all this stuff last night and I went and laid out all of the uh look I started back in 2006 so in 2006 Facebook started the newsfeed and they shared everything you changed to your profile to all of your friends oh yes I remember that it it turns out that people don't necessarily like having all of the changes to their profile broadcast all over no that's true it's amazing isn't it yeah in 2007 they started sharing whatever you purchased with your Facebook friends this was a thing Facebook called Beacon and so you know if you bought something it blasted out to all your friends William bought this uh performance enhancer yes well turns out people weren't exactly a fan of advertising that either no okay and and they created an option to allow you to opt out now periodically the problem with Facebook is that you opt out of something and they make an update and they opt you back in yes you got Facebook and it's yes it's um we've talked about this before I have problems with them and how they handle even trivial user decisions like uh the sound stuff you want it switched off tough back on yeah in 2011 the US FC the Federal Trade Commission settled with Facebook over not keeping Facebook's privacy policy that is Facebook had to basically admit and settle with the FCC Facebook had been telling users that thirdparty apps could access a limited set of data needed for the apps and the truth was Facebook was giving third parties all of their personal data in 2013 they had a bug that exposed 6 million Facebook users contact data anyone who had any piece of your contact info so the way this works is when you are in Facebook and you sign up it says hey would you like to upload all of your contacts to us and they make it really easy to say yes and when you download your own information yes if you had one piece of information on someone phone number email address just one of those pieces they had the rest because they had they' gone ahead and compiled these profiles and so when you download your information they gave you all of that person's information they gave you all of that person's contact info so if you had just the one piece you now had all the pieces okay right whoops in 2014 they altered their Newsfeed to show either more positive or more negative stories and they published this as a study in the proceedings of the national Academy of Sciences basically they were trying to see how emotions could spread on social media and so they used every Facebook user as an experiment without your consent to see if they could make you feel bad well you can't knock them for being thorough okay you can all right I can I diligent that's the word we're looking for in in 2015 Facebook cut off third party app developers from having access to all the data they wanted the problem is they have no way of knowing or controlling how many developers were using information that they downloaded before being cut off yes yeah right Cambridge analytica do I need to say anything no do I even and this year this year Facebook had a VPN app where they paid teenagers to Route all their mobile phone traffic through Facebook servers Facebook could see everything what apps they were using what they did on them even if it was related to Facebook they could see everything for the low price of 20 bucks a user now it did have a cost to them when Apple pulled their Enterprise certificate and all of the other infernal Facebook apps the cafeteria app the bus schedule app all the other things that Facebook used broke yeah yeah and then we we so one of these third party app developers sued Facebook and there have been leaked documents coming out of that case they were supposed to be sealed but now they're they were getting leaked and basically there are 7,000 pages in total 4,000 are internal Facebook emails web chats notes presentations spreadsheets from about 2011 to 2015 and 1,200 pages are marked as highly confidential and this is all stuff you can view now you can view the PDFs of the depositions the emails the presentations from this lawsuit against Facebook and what the reason this lawsuit was taking place is because Facebook was playing favorites with who got access to user data how you ask Facebook gave Amazon special access to user data because face because Amazon was spending money on Facebook advertising Facebook also used that to cut off apps that they saw as competitors so Facebook owns Facebook messenger and WhatsApp Messenger they cut off the messaging app message me because they were afraid that it was becoming too strong and competing with Facebook messaging so they denied message me user data I hate to say but I've never even heard of message me that sounds like that was effective then yeah they they're they're in in any case what I'm saying is that Facebook has a history of not being the sure best they're not they're not being the best guardian of your privacy shall we say okay do we need to throw any allegedly in here if so allegedly okay but yes what does now it does actually I feel a little lighter yeah oh good so the the thing that I'm saying is that Apple publishing their privacy statements put publishing all these information is a good step the the having having this apple privacy push is good the one thing that's going to happen is that when Apple fails on privacy or has a bug on privacy that it it's going to be pointed out as it's hypocrisy and that's not necessarily the case especially in the case of bugs true I mean you've had the FBI saying how hypocritical appal is when I can't remember what bug it was that happened it seemed uh a Gul overreaction uh to it when other companies aren't coming close to what apple is doing it's I'm funny what I what I really wish out of apple is plain language you know it's it's one thing to read the Jobs quote that says ask people ask people every time make them tell you to stop telling asking them right that's great but the uh and and the iOS interactions you know asking for Bluetooth or asking for microphone are good although it would be helpful to understand why they're asking for example it it leads to misleading user situations where when when you set up carplay they ask if you want to use like carplay use Bluetooth and they don't tell you why that's necessary and so people think that it's for audio handling and it's not necessarily for audio handling you know I I have you know it's it's for setting up wireless carplay is what it's for because they use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Discovery to set up the wireless carplay link um with you know and and so people who are experiencing accessibility bugs with Bluetooth hearing aids are blaming saying okay to that as being the problem and it's not it's an iOS 13 bug you know what I'd also like is some clarity around the end user licenses you know you you sign up for iTunes and you have to click agree to 50 pages of legal terms yeah long to read them you don't read them no one reads though no they even that email me a copy button no come on no no who comic strip version of it some sort of oh there was one there was one I don't remember I didn't even read that though so okay no so we need to we need more we need more clarity okay in conclusion delete Facebook okay uh in conclusion you still can't run shortcuts without the Facebook app but that's another story I'm just I'm just saying if you if you have to use Facebook use it through the browser if you can limit yourself to the groups and friends that you're interested in not the news feed and uh don't use third party apps with Facebook and best of all delete your account how about we focus on something nice uh this story that's as we record this just bur but another Apple patent to do with uh watch bands that have wireless antennas in them well I told you that the watch was going to get 5G before the um that's true you did before the airpods pro didn't I just say that I was sure I said that I didn't listen to you and all these minutes later you're right that's true had made that connection yeah see right so there's a patent or a patent if you will that describes using an apple watchband with an integrated wireless antenna to communicate with external devices now external devices could be a lot of things they could sensors they could be um you know expanded power in for Wi-Fi or or Bluetooth it could be stuff to control other devices there's there's a lot there but the idea is if you can put the antenna and control circuitry in the watch band then you free up that space in the watch itself and and furthermore you could put different Wireless uh control and and antenna in so you could do it for different Technologies now Lord only knows is why on Earth you'd want to have zigg in your watch band but it's an interesting discussion okay I don't know who zigg is but I'm sure he or she is very so zigby and Z-Wave are or zwave are different Technologies of Wireless for home automation the Philips H light bulbs use zigg and you have to use the Phillips H bridge to get your ethernet or Wi-Fi over to the light bulbs I'm just thinking and the advantages of doing things like that is that you get longer range and you don't have the same cluttered Wireless area because everything else is using the same Wireless space for um sure you know Wi-Fi but if you do want watch band um are you going to change watch bands uh because you want to connect to something else uh are all bands going to come with things like this that's a difficulty here yeah that's possible I realized I didn't expect to change my watch band at all because I was quite fine with the um I can't pronounce it but the the sort of rubbery plastic one that the the frankly cheapest watch has come sport band sport band yeah there's a more chemical word that I can't pronounce but I was given a leather strap and then later it's either silicone or it's fkm rubber but yeah it's something more than that I've got to look it up now cover me while I type um no no no no I won't be able to pronounce it even when I find it right so you do that and I'll tell our listeners your friends and mine about Express VN okay do all right we were just talking about privacy a few minutes ago and express VPN is is a product I've been using for a few months now and it's an incredibly reliable way to make sure that my network is secure without slowing down my internet speed why should you care about encrypting all your data well it's easy for for for hackers or malicious people to bypass Wi-Fi security and steal your information uh there there expla like crack KR that that allowed them to do this there were plugins for Firefox for a while where you could use them and load uh and see what was going on on the network if you ever use Wi-Fi at a hotel shopping mall any of those free Wi-Fi airports are really bad for this too you're sending your data over an open network meaning there's no encryption at all the best way to ensure that all your data is encrypted and can't be read by hackers is by using expressvpn and all you need to do is download the expressvpn app on your computer or smartphone and then use the internet just as you normally would you click one button in expn app to secure 100% of your dework data and it's the vastest and most reliable they're recommended as the number one VPN Provider by review sites like tech radar and CNET Express VPN is a company that takes privacy and security to the next level they invented a technology called trusted server to ensure that VPN servers run from RAM and no data logs are written to a server's hard drive even by accident if you want the best in online security and privacy protection head over to expressvpn.com apppp Insider for three extra months free with a one-year package protect your internet today with the VPN I trust to keep my data safe go to expressvpn.com appleinsider to get started will FL fluro elast and if I pronounced that wrong I'm going to claim that's the British pronunciation of it but I can't get out of the fact that I said it began with a p fluro Al that material um I I actually found it fine and I was not going to swap away to buy bands but I was given one and then another one came something else I have two or three bands and I do swap between them and you know like so so a fluo elastomer is basically a fluorocarbon based synthetic rubber that's that's all that means really I just I had trouble with the pronunciation um uh no trouble with the price so that's okay so fkm which I mentioned a second ago is a the short form for a floral aser cam category that conforms to the the American ASM standards and viton for example is a registered trademark of DuPont as a part of those performance kind of elastomers there's fpm there's fkm there's viton there's EPDM um car DM yeah well EPDM Rubber is ethylene propylene DN monometer and and the differences between all these different types of things is their chemical resistance and temperature ranges so a floral laser like viton or or fkm are higher quality and we presume that's what Apple's using right I especially chose it for the cheapness though so I'm glad to hear that there's more involved but oh the sorry I I went off down Rabbit Hole trying to find out to say that word is this whole thing of uh will you be forever swapping straps if you get one of these uh watchband uh yeah I just curious to know do you don't think Apple would like us to keep buying expensive bands with electronics in it do you I can't imagine just doesn't sound like them at all well but this gets to an interesting point right first of all there's always been in the past some difficulty with the concept of selling an accessory for your accessory yes that's true right you can sell an accessory for your main product right you might buy a case for your iPhone or you know originally the watch was an accessory for an iPhone now the watch operates a little more independently so you can say that the watch is is is either a device on its own or it's an accessory for the iPhone true good point right so so buying watch straps is an accessory for the accessory which is traditionally A Hard Sell but in this case if it lends you that additional functionality you want it's maybe not that is true actually yes I mean right now I was going to say right now band swapping is purely aesthetic but it isn't there are bands that you um my wife Andel has quite a small wrist so the uh the band that comes with it any band with holes in is tricky whereas that one that kind of loops around you suits her better so there's a practical purpose but nowhere near as much as having I don't know Wi-Fi or 5G based in there yeah apple is set to ship between 20 to 30 million units of the iPhone se2 and we talked about the idea of an se2 and what it might be like but it's coming in 2020 is is what Mingo predicts yeah yes and it's thought to be using a a motherboard similar to the one used in iPhone 11 oh yes where hang on let's be careful last week you basically talked me into getting airpods Pro don't talk me into getting iPhone 11 okay don't I'll be a little clearer it may not be the same motherboard as used in the iPhone 11 it's oh dear excuse me it's it's going to be constructed like the motherboard using in the iPhone 11 using the same technology to make the motherboard um so so it's not going to be just a rebundling of an iPhone 11 no it's it's going to be using the similar technology to build it okay now we we do expect that it will use the a13 processor used in the iPhone 11 along with 3 gig of RAM so it will be in in many ways just as capable if not more than than the iPhone 11 in terms of performance and antenna design and things like that but there's a thought that it'll have Touch ID instead of face ID well that would makes sense wouldn't it cuz face ID I believe is very expensive uh to do so yes I actually I like touch ID I have my iPad has Touch ID and there are times when you know kind of reach across the desk for it and it's quite handy to just put your thumb there you why can't we have both have you used Apple TV plus yet yes I have actually yes have you I have okay then so we don't need to talk about it we both know that's well what do you think I first of all I'm enjoying it second of all the quality is good in what sense just just in terms of streaming it has the highest bit rate of any 4K streaming service yes I was hearing that um and apple doesn't seem to be shouting about it much where you're right I was thinking the morning show looked utterly gorgeous in particular so so what happens here is that when you're streaming video you you do a few checks before you set up the video stream or as you're setting up the video stream to see what bandwidth the connection can support and so there's a wide span a wide variance from how low bit rate you can send or how high a bit rate you send based on everything from your own internet connection to the speeds of the links between you and the server where the video is coming from mhm but if all of those links are optimized if everything's working the way it should then you can get as as much as 41 megabits per second at at Peak an average bit rate of around 29 megabits per second that's really really high quality stuff I don't know how to translate that into what we see but I do think the images on Apple TV shows are are beautiful so yes they're beautiful than they would have been yes yeah so basically it's streaming 1.5 to two times the bit rate of an HD Blu-ray disc goodness and about half that of a UHD Blu-ray disc how does that compare to somewhere like Netflix do we know uh not entirely certain I don't have the specs on Netflix streaming also Netflix comes in different quality levels doesn't it and various things when you pay so so we'd want to compare Netflix 4K streams to Apple TV 4K streams right and and we do that I mean it's certainly possible but I I haven't run those tests cool nor have I didn't even think of them before now but okay yeah yes for some reason I'm more interested in the programs I'm watching than the specs behind them but speaking of the programs speaking of the program there's a drama called Hala or Hala produced by J pingit Smith that's going to uh come to theaters first on November 22nd and then come to streaming on December 6th so apple is releasing movies to theaters ahead of their release on on the streaming service which is pretty cool and and that's very clearly kind of a a play to get considered for awards yes yeah which for yeah right back on the um what was it called sorry the 1984 ad that actually played well this isn't theat thing but they played it on television in a local market somewhere a couple of weeks before so that it would qualif Super Bowl so they could qualify for awards yeah yes they know what they're doing that's what the well in this case at least yes yeah and and we've seen trailers for that we've also seen a full link trailer for Servant which is from ight Shyamalan yeah and that's coming on November 28th so we're going to have a nice happy November December Christmas viewing time Christmas viewing on Apple TV plus all right I have a complaint about Apple TV plus okay I have I have two complaints first of all they've for most of the shows they've only published three or four episodes yes and you'd rather binge through the whole series my bingeing habits are are crying in pain I want to see the whole thing okay well how about you wait a bit and come back later no okay can't help you then no yeah and the other complaint is about Apple's bungling and mismanagement of Apple IDs okay that doesn't seem Apple TV specific but uh I've had some pain points with that as well what's yours Apple TV has highlighted it for me once again yes in order to take advantage of the free year of Apple TV service based on oh yes yes your Apple ID that you used when you purchased your shiny new piece of Hardware oh I didn't think of that of course yes you have to sign in as that user among the multiple users that you can now sign in with on TV apps and tvos right okay never occurred to me yes and so I've had to sign in to the Apple TV with the other Apple ID and and and then that's changed all my purchase history and it's changed things I signed in on my phone as well so that I could go ahead and have the TV service on the phone which then switched me out of my test flight Apple ID got okay now why do I have a test flight appleid let me let me explain the history of Apple ID here for just a second so there was it tools which gave you a MAAC email address add or or a mac.com email address as it were and then there was the ability to use AOL Instant Messenger IDs as an Apple ID for iTunes purchases so I had one back then and then AOL Instant Messenger went away and they told everyone convert your AOL Instant Messenger name into an email name so that you keep all of your purchases and purchase history and stuff like that and so I converted that to an email address that I already owned and all my purchase history going back to 2008 2009 with the beginning of the App Store is on that account all of my test flight stuff is on that account but that account is not the Apple ID and I use that Apple ID for also managing my family account for all the other Apple days for my family but that's not the one that I use with my iCloud necessarily because with my iCloud I if you don't use one that ends in inmac or in in um me.com or mac.com which came out of the me yeah part of the era um then you don't get to take advantage of things like iCloud email okay no I didn't know that okay oh yeah you have to have one that ends in mac.com or me.com to be able to use iCloud email they they if you used one that has your personal email address as your Apple ID you don't get to do that now if this sound sounds confusing it's because it is okay it's because Apple has allowed history and allowed to this to be a complete mess and and not allowed you to unify them in any kind of sensible way and so here I am with uh two major different Apple IDs and a handful that I've just simply discarded over the years from the ey tools era because my gosh I can't how how many should I keep around really um you know and back then they gave you online storage to publish websites on and so people did this thing where you'd sign up for multiples and then use apple scripts to combine them into one gross large storage kind of thing um so there there technically I've probably had about 16 different Apple IDs as it stands now I have three or four that I maintain all right I have three okay it's but it's fairly common for people whove been doing this long enough to have two sure right so uh what's solution Buy Apple TV the the solution is complain about Apple and shake my fist at the sky because they really ought to do better at managing this or merging them so that the purchase history is seen across all of them or that I don't lose my test flight access because I've signed in to get my free Apple TV plus this is dumb it is yes yes can't can't disagree with you there listeners hey everyone out there listening if you've had an experience with apple IDs that's annoyed you or frustrated you why don't you write in why didn't tell me about that and if you've watched an Apple TV Plus show and you've really enjoyed it tell us that too I would like to hear how many of you are enjoying them as much as we are this might only be recognizable to uh people in the UK but this sounds like if you've been affected by any of the issues discussed in this program plan okay our attorneys are only practicing in these two states but don't worry affiliate law fir law firms will be able to help you in other states as well no we're not doing that this is not Gathering that kind I just want to know because I I I I understand that I have a long history with apple IDs and that my my having ones for different country stores is a little outside the norm but but having an email address and an iCloud one is not exactly that far outside especially if you're a developer for example no totally fairly common for people who've been doing it a long time find out okay yeah how will people tell you just just how alone am I on this one how will people reach you to tell you this information they will email me at William appleinsider.com and Victor appleinsider.com okay that sounds good and on Twitter by any chance will you accept tweets as legitimate currency W Gallagher that's the one I like that one that's actually one of my favorites on Twitter one of the best accounts on Twitter I like to think so don't ask me it's it's been it's been determined by a wide group of people yes I'm V marks on Twitter you can find us on the internet you can find us at email please let us know William yes what are we going to do next week hopefully not uh talk about how you've talked me into buying a device that isn't quite like an iPhone 11 but close um any allegedly allegedly um any thoughts from you about next week is there something coming up at all you know there are people that are still holding out hope for a new Macbook Pro and I don't want to dash their hopes what I I think we ought to do instead is I want to recommend some apps do you mind if I recommend some apps should yeah I'd like to recommend two apps so there's there's one that I was looking at called Zippy Cal and Zippy Cal is a different way of visualizing your schedule and your day it starts with a a big circle a 12h hour Circle and you can switch between day or night of the circle and it shows your a point it's laid out around the 12-hour clock kind of circle and then you swipe up and it shows you the details of them and what I like about it is that it's an interesting different visual approach to calendaring instead of seeing here's a grid and here's a list of your stuff it's gives you a sort of frame of reference and you can kind of see where your free time Falls I like it I'm the other one I want to talk about free time yeah I know you don't have any I am aware the the other thing that I've been using this week that I'm really really really interested in is um oh uh Aaron Pierce Aaron Pierce has got four applications he's got home run home pass home scan and home Cam and as the name indicates they're all sort of homekit related and um homecam for example lets you view cameras that you have in homekit on phone and Apple TV so my doorbell camera that I have shows up on the Apple TV it's fantastic um home scan is a way of of you know with with these apps you can go ahead and scan all of your codes and maintain a database of all of the eight-digit codes required to get these devices into homekit which is especially handy because trying to find the sticker or the booklet or taking the device off the wall to get at the sticker on the device really frustrating going ahead and having this as a list of of things that you can work from is huge true listen i' really really got to wrap up and get out you could carry this on without me no no I I just wanted to mention these two developers and their apps because I think that our listeners if if you're using homekit at all go check it out home run home pass home scan home cam we will be back next week Williams say goodbye to everybody goodbye everybody all right cheers we'll be backyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to this episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor marks and joining me is the wondrous William Gallagher yeah I can tell you what I'm wessing about this time it's whether I can dare ever speak to you again after last week and what you did was that good did that that was that was excellent I'm I'm really pleased with that what I want to say about what I did last week it's a good thing you did in in most respects but okay what what I did last week was I I got equally some of the worst feedback we've ever gotten on a show and some of the best feedback we've ever gotten on the show right and I especially want to thank our listeners who who raised the accessibility issues to me and followed up with feedback and comments about on accessibility and iOS and the problems that they face and it's it's really difficult you know there there are people who obviously should have all the same access to to both the device and all the things that the device grants access to the internet social media um texting messaging Communications there's there's a huge world out there and if you don't have a device you are cut off from it and it's it's easy for people who don't have these these challenges to forget and you know we talk about people loading government services onto devices or or you know just go to Facebook or things like this but if you don't have a device that has accessibility if you don't have the ability to access this kind of stuff it's a real problem and you know there are ma there were major bugs in voiceover where voice over would stock coping completely after having been on a phone call uh in years past Braille users of of displays would lose the ability to type or read on their displays and there have been some really serious bugs with almost every release of iOS over the past few years inaccessibility so this is this is a really a big problem because when you have these sorts of problems repeatedly um if I may you were talking about the accessibility things I have a slight out of that that might be uh useful can I bang on with that or do you need me to no no so please go ahead and talk I I'll I'll let you speak about accessibility I think we need to focus on this a little bit okay well I got to say actually this all uh makes the thing I was about to accuse you of seem quite trivial and and silly in comparison I I'm long been aware accessible isses as well as one can I mean intellectually one expects that one knows about accessibility it's only when you actually need it that you really appreciate it but for so many years in so many ways I've been deeply impressed with what Apple has done so the fact that it's now going wrong and and you say going wrong over some time that that's even more disappointing than it not being there in the first place for years we felt comfortable talking about accessibility and for years we felt comfortable recommending U Max because they just worked and this this is a real difficulty uh especially when people can't have the confidence that they need that their device is going to work right you know an example of a a a bug is Bluetooth hearing aids where the audio handling is such that when a a user has hearing aids paired voiceover sounds still come through the speaker we have difficulties and and these have to be better addressed and Bug reporting has to be better addressed you had some thoughts about accessibility William yeah not very useful ones I think actually intellectually one is always very aware of uh accessibility but you you can't ever really understand it until you need it but given my position over the years I've been very impressed with apple and how it's uh seemingly done far far more about accessibility than anyone else so actually now you to tell me that it's going wrong and has been going wrong for quite some time time that's that's probably more disappointing than it not being there in the first place yeah I we we are going to spend some more time on this I am really going to um live with voiceover and try and interact with with it as as best I can yeah because you know imagine that you were a a technology director at a school and you were trying to make sure that your your systems were all set up for accommodating students with these needs and so you're testing this stuff out and having to live with it and finding how much goes wrong it's really a difficult thing I mean having to make this your main device instead of a beta device right and one of the things I'm most concerned about is that there's you know reporting bugs and giving feedback to Apple is hard enough as it is for you know T typical users that that have all all of the uh the abilities that apple might or anyone might assume and uh it's it's just uh boggling to me how on Earth people with these needs are able to report bugs at all and not that you know with with broken tools getting in the way I mean no I understand it's just it's it's an entire world so yes we should dig into it I'm just ever more conscious the thing I was going to talk to you about is really really trivial so maybe I I'll just leave that and next time say to you what you did two weeks ago God how's that so there yeah oh yeah good word so there yes so there right Qualcomm remember Qualcomm really thought you'd press me on what you did last week but okay Qualcomm yes yes heard of them Qualcomm had their investor conference call with their big earnings reveal yes and they said that 2020 is going to hold two inflection points that's the quote for 5G chip chips so the first major development for 5G will be the spring launch of handsets from folks like Samsung and other Chinese manufacturers things like this right I didn't know that but it makes sense yes Fair a second inflection point will arrive quote in the fall time frame when another set of Flagship devices will adopt 5G end quote yes you suppose what what what what kind of device launches what Flagship device launches in the no you don't you don't mean no you can't mean 5G coming to airpods I I can but I don't think that that's a 2020 thing okay shot in the dark play the Hunch what what else could it possibly be I I would say that would happen to Apple watch before it would ever happen to uh to airpods but I think airpods are going to one day get it okay airpods are on my mind for reasons but okay what do you I presume I iPhone then in which case this is shocking news Apple iPhone will have 5G from Qualcomm qualcom in 2020 which is something we've been saying all along but this is the first time that the CFO of Qualcomm has confirmed it oh basically okay and uh now now this Qualcomm CFO didn't name iPhone right yeah they just noted they just made note that by the way Apple and Google typically introduce new smartphones in fall in lock step with an annual release cycle yes and don't know why we bring that up at this point when we say we're about to look yeah two two inflection points one in the fall for Flagship devices and by the way Apple and Google release in the fall you may think so but I couldn't possibly comment that kind of thing yes okay exactly you might you might draw that conclusion but I couldn't possibly comment all right I remember when quc was all who's suing who and all this stuff but this is more interesting I like this this is better mhm and uh CEO of Qualcomm Steve mop said in an interview that his company's been tapped to provide 5G silicon to over 230 device designs that's up from 150 devices last quarter okay how many iPhones are there going to be well obviously that's not all iPhones right there are other phones available Samsung and Huawei would like you to think so Google certainly has a pixel phone that they advertise they might have sell a handful okay i' vaguely heard about that all right I thought you might yeah okay now currently the iPhone you know for the past two years the iPhone and iPad lines have been using Intel's chips for the uh the modems this is a return to Qualcomm the the projection is that Apple's going to be working on their own 5G modem for using an iPhone around 2022 and further that once they have that sorted out they could in 2023 or so integrate that into the CPU into the a series system on chip okay yes I'm following this there's not not a whole lot to follow it's just this is this is the direction things are going in all right I thought you were building up to something else and I was just holding in my head okay NOP nope that that was that oh well then in that Cas I think last week's thing was more interesting but you know you don't want to know so you oh go on let me tell you because it was your fault and I Blame You F I have I bought Apple airpods last week because of you yeah I congratulations and I don't see how I'm responsible you made some crack about how if I got them I'd have the set all three versions and I started thinking yes and that'd be interesting to compare them all and was I incorrect uh no you were fully correct it just hadn't entered my head before and clearly I'm a completist um because I pretty much straight after that podcast I went out and spent more money than I should have done I I want to tell Angela that I am not responsible for your abuse of Finance okay make sure just because you abuse your bank account has nothing to do with me I couldn't possibly comment okay but uh amongst the the general blame I'm sending away also said Thanks cuz I love him so thank you very much yes well done well done but that was last week what has Apple done for us this week you know that's a great question Apple has gone ahead and made health records available to Veterans across the United States so all US veterans eligible for VA Healthcare are able to access their health records in the health app yeah so that that follows a summerlong trial and the VA joins John's Hopkins University of California San Diego Quest Diagnostics all scripts um UNC uh Duke um people participating in some some of the groups participating in the the my chart portal system a ton 400 other healthcare provider organizations lab networks Lab Core um all support health records on iPhone cool and including the VA in there is a big deal because you know helping veterans gain a better understanding of their health is is Apple's chance to show gratitude for their service as says Jeff Williams Apple's Chief Operating Officer uh by working with VA to offer health records on iPhone we hope to help those who have served have greater peace of mind their healthc care is in good hands now in in the US we have sometimes a difficult relationship with with the VA just because it's it sometimes we're we we read reports about veterans not getting the services they need or or the VA facilities and and bureaucracy not living up to the promise of what they should be able to deliver so you know our our article says historically veterans have had a problem with records of medical treatment scattered across several facilities vessels bases and so forth the health records integration isn't perfect as evidenced by a check uh this morning by one apple and cider staffer you know but but in our case some old records housed in Virginia and Hawaii were fully integrated for the first time in 20 years wow okay now obviously there are some pitfalls because if you've got paper records including some following a departure from service they may not have been entered or scanned for the record so so it's possible for there to be some issues but we expect especially over time that those issues will work themselves out yes and this anything it's obviously a lot better now than it ever has been the this it's just the start of a journey but what a good journey to be on excellent okay AB impressive you know speaking of Journeys I I like to think about things as sort of lifelong learning right sure we're all on this journey together all learning all all progressing all trying to better ourselves yes You' agree with that yeah yeah I'm hoping you're leading to an adre rather than just something you feel I should address in my personal life maybe my finances or something but yeah it's a little bit of both but I am absolutely focused on your well-being and your your growth as a person William ah thank you for it he said wearily and that's that's kind of why I want to mention master class so Master Class lets you learn from the best with exclusive access to online classes taught by masters of their craft you could learn how to shoot uh films you could improve your writing with lessons from Neil Gaiman you could learn game design with with Will Wright and they have over 60 different instructors across tons of categories so there's literally something for everyone like you William you could learn to write screenplays okay yes I think I think that would be excellent you should totally do that okay never entered my head before okay I there's there's I think it'd be really valuable there you could learn something yes I doubtlessly I could yes I just convinced with the way you're pronouncing it pronouncing it the way you um you look like you look like you're saying this while looking at me that way so okay yes but yes it's a really interesting service yeah I want to talk a little bit about will right and and game development so Will Wright has a game development master class on there and the cours workk is really exciting you know it's it's very heavy on coming up with game Concepts and prototyping them so by the time you you go through this thing you'll have around 10 or more of your own Concepts to work out and they expect you to prototype these in some way and they they later on in the course ask you to create a more complete prototype as sort of a Capstone project and now obviously the lectures are bent a little bit towards rights kind of games but these Concepts the high level concepts are applicable to any genre and he points out how so it's it's really good and the the content is good and the presentation and production values are just the topnotch it's really really good excellent and you know Will Wright is is is especially you know he he was working at Maxis um this is a guy who you know he's talked at game developers conference GDC um there is absolutely a lot of value here it's it's a really impressive course and I highly recommend you check it out get unlimited access to every master class and as an apple Insider podcast listener you get 15% off the annual all access pass go to masterclass.com appleinsider that's masterclass.com apppp inssider for 15% off masterclass so William someone wrote about Apple having a new privacy page yes well that would be me wouldn't it yes some some rep scallion some scoundrel I'm not but yeah what what's changed well two things really one is a sort of surface change if you like it it looks very different um which is more important than it sounds uh what they've changed is they've made they've made it like a primer anything you're concerned about is my safe when I'm using Maps am I telling people this there are about like paragraph long descriptions of exactly what goes on and when and they're really well done um but then they've also added a series of four white papers um things on location services Maps photos and safe web browsing totals about 40 pages of some really specific details of what your iPhone or device uh does at any one time and it's it's just laid out there it's very clear and and really well done wild it's it's interesting because you know this is one of the big pushes that Apple has done uh since Tim Cook became more vocal right obviously privacy as a focus started way back with Steve Jobs but but Tim has really pushed it Forward would you agree with that oh totally I mean increasingly it's I think especially this year actually it's just got more and more and more so yeah fascinating actually you to see to track back and see how much Apple has done because you you have this thing of you know Steve Jobs and Steve wnc in their garage they were not thinking about this stuff uh but when did they start and about 10 11 years ago uh you can see Steve Jobs is already being really vehement about everything it's very impressive um the depth of detail they go into and how passionate they are about it I mean I I am of a mind that you could argue uh Apple has found a nice differentiator um that it can champion this and that it's purely a profit thing um that this is a really good selling point and doubtlessly it is but it wasn't when they started and and I actually believe them I think the efforts are laudable yeah you know the the old Jobs quote that is still good is I believe people are smart and some people want to share more data than other people do ask them ask them every time make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of you're asking them let them know precisely what you're going to do with their data yes because he actually said that in a Wall Street Journal conference and in the audience was Mark Zuckerberg and there one point he where he talks about where jobs says um we at Apple are more concerned than some of our colleagues and it's like he pauses trying to think of a word to describe Zuckerberg and some of our colle colleagues and without question it's directed at Zuckerberg which I mean this is what 2010 or something yeah but the thing is back then in those early days jobs had advised Zuckerberg I didn't know that no oh so so the way that jobs jobs was was accessible to other Founders not of course not every every guy with a startup but obviously to ones that were really succeeding in becoming a prominent thing like that jobs was made himself sometimes accessible to and so he would go for walks in his neighborhood wow and just have little chats and and Zuckerberg went for a walk with jobs and had a had a just a walking chat at least one time yeah okay and I don't know if if it was more than that but but this happened once that that we know of and um it's it's interesting to see how those two diverged yeah yeah I thought it was also depressing that um there was reference in the Wall Street journal's description of it of all the things that people were concerned about with Facebook uh and it was the same then as it is now um so well this is interesting so I I was going through the history of all this stuff last night and I went and laid out all of the uh look I started back in 2006 so in 2006 Facebook started the newsfeed and they shared everything you changed to your profile to all of your friends oh yes I remember that it it turns out that people don't necessarily like having all of the changes to their profile broadcast all over no that's true it's amazing isn't it yeah in 2007 they started sharing whatever you purchased with your Facebook friends this was a thing Facebook called Beacon and so you know if you bought something it blasted out to all your friends William bought this uh performance enhancer yes well turns out people weren't exactly a fan of advertising that either no okay and and they created an option to allow you to opt out now periodically the problem with Facebook is that you opt out of something and they make an update and they opt you back in yes you got Facebook and it's yes it's um we've talked about this before I have problems with them and how they handle even trivial user decisions like uh the sound stuff you want it switched off tough back on yeah in 2011 the US FC the Federal Trade Commission settled with Facebook over not keeping Facebook's privacy policy that is Facebook had to basically admit and settle with the FCC Facebook had been telling users that thirdparty apps could access a limited set of data needed for the apps and the truth was Facebook was giving third parties all of their personal data in 2013 they had a bug that exposed 6 million Facebook users contact data anyone who had any piece of your contact info so the way this works is when you are in Facebook and you sign up it says hey would you like to upload all of your contacts to us and they make it really easy to say yes and when you download your own information yes if you had one piece of information on someone phone number email address just one of those pieces they had the rest because they had they' gone ahead and compiled these profiles and so when you download your information they gave you all of that person's information they gave you all of that person's contact info so if you had just the one piece you now had all the pieces okay right whoops in 2014 they altered their Newsfeed to show either more positive or more negative stories and they published this as a study in the proceedings of the national Academy of Sciences basically they were trying to see how emotions could spread on social media and so they used every Facebook user as an experiment without your consent to see if they could make you feel bad well you can't knock them for being thorough okay you can all right I can I diligent that's the word we're looking for in in 2015 Facebook cut off third party app developers from having access to all the data they wanted the problem is they have no way of knowing or controlling how many developers were using information that they downloaded before being cut off yes yeah right Cambridge analytica do I need to say anything no do I even and this year this year Facebook had a VPN app where they paid teenagers to Route all their mobile phone traffic through Facebook servers Facebook could see everything what apps they were using what they did on them even if it was related to Facebook they could see everything for the low price of 20 bucks a user now it did have a cost to them when Apple pulled their Enterprise certificate and all of the other infernal Facebook apps the cafeteria app the bus schedule app all the other things that Facebook used broke yeah yeah and then we we so one of these third party app developers sued Facebook and there have been leaked documents coming out of that case they were supposed to be sealed but now they're they were getting leaked and basically there are 7,000 pages in total 4,000 are internal Facebook emails web chats notes presentations spreadsheets from about 2011 to 2015 and 1,200 pages are marked as highly confidential and this is all stuff you can view now you can view the PDFs of the depositions the emails the presentations from this lawsuit against Facebook and what the reason this lawsuit was taking place is because Facebook was playing favorites with who got access to user data how you ask Facebook gave Amazon special access to user data because face because Amazon was spending money on Facebook advertising Facebook also used that to cut off apps that they saw as competitors so Facebook owns Facebook messenger and WhatsApp Messenger they cut off the messaging app message me because they were afraid that it was becoming too strong and competing with Facebook messaging so they denied message me user data I hate to say but I've never even heard of message me that sounds like that was effective then yeah they they're they're in in any case what I'm saying is that Facebook has a history of not being the sure best they're not they're not being the best guardian of your privacy shall we say okay do we need to throw any allegedly in here if so allegedly okay but yes what does now it does actually I feel a little lighter yeah oh good so the the thing that I'm saying is that Apple publishing their privacy statements put publishing all these information is a good step the the having having this apple privacy push is good the one thing that's going to happen is that when Apple fails on privacy or has a bug on privacy that it it's going to be pointed out as it's hypocrisy and that's not necessarily the case especially in the case of bugs true I mean you've had the FBI saying how hypocritical appal is when I can't remember what bug it was that happened it seemed uh a Gul overreaction uh to it when other companies aren't coming close to what apple is doing it's I'm funny what I what I really wish out of apple is plain language you know it's it's one thing to read the Jobs quote that says ask people ask people every time make them tell you to stop telling asking them right that's great but the uh and and the iOS interactions you know asking for Bluetooth or asking for microphone are good although it would be helpful to understand why they're asking for example it it leads to misleading user situations where when when you set up carplay they ask if you want to use like carplay use Bluetooth and they don't tell you why that's necessary and so people think that it's for audio handling and it's not necessarily for audio handling you know I I have you know it's it's for setting up wireless carplay is what it's for because they use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Discovery to set up the wireless carplay link um with you know and and so people who are experiencing accessibility bugs with Bluetooth hearing aids are blaming saying okay to that as being the problem and it's not it's an iOS 13 bug you know what I'd also like is some clarity around the end user licenses you know you you sign up for iTunes and you have to click agree to 50 pages of legal terms yeah long to read them you don't read them no one reads though no they even that email me a copy button no come on no no who comic strip version of it some sort of oh there was one there was one I don't remember I didn't even read that though so okay no so we need to we need more we need more clarity okay in conclusion delete Facebook okay uh in conclusion you still can't run shortcuts without the Facebook app but that's another story I'm just I'm just saying if you if you have to use Facebook use it through the browser if you can limit yourself to the groups and friends that you're interested in not the news feed and uh don't use third party apps with Facebook and best of all delete your account how about we focus on something nice uh this story that's as we record this just bur but another Apple patent to do with uh watch bands that have wireless antennas in them well I told you that the watch was going to get 5G before the um that's true you did before the airpods pro didn't I just say that I was sure I said that I didn't listen to you and all these minutes later you're right that's true had made that connection yeah see right so there's a patent or a patent if you will that describes using an apple watchband with an integrated wireless antenna to communicate with external devices now external devices could be a lot of things they could sensors they could be um you know expanded power in for Wi-Fi or or Bluetooth it could be stuff to control other devices there's there's a lot there but the idea is if you can put the antenna and control circuitry in the watch band then you free up that space in the watch itself and and furthermore you could put different Wireless uh control and and antenna in so you could do it for different Technologies now Lord only knows is why on Earth you'd want to have zigg in your watch band but it's an interesting discussion okay I don't know who zigg is but I'm sure he or she is very so zigby and Z-Wave are or zwave are different Technologies of Wireless for home automation the Philips H light bulbs use zigg and you have to use the Phillips H bridge to get your ethernet or Wi-Fi over to the light bulbs I'm just thinking and the advantages of doing things like that is that you get longer range and you don't have the same cluttered Wireless area because everything else is using the same Wireless space for um sure you know Wi-Fi but if you do want watch band um are you going to change watch bands uh because you want to connect to something else uh are all bands going to come with things like this that's a difficulty here yeah that's possible I realized I didn't expect to change my watch band at all because I was quite fine with the um I can't pronounce it but the the sort of rubbery plastic one that the the frankly cheapest watch has come sport band sport band yeah there's a more chemical word that I can't pronounce but I was given a leather strap and then later it's either silicone or it's fkm rubber but yeah it's something more than that I've got to look it up now cover me while I type um no no no no I won't be able to pronounce it even when I find it right so you do that and I'll tell our listeners your friends and mine about Express VN okay do all right we were just talking about privacy a few minutes ago and express VPN is is a product I've been using for a few months now and it's an incredibly reliable way to make sure that my network is secure without slowing down my internet speed why should you care about encrypting all your data well it's easy for for for hackers or malicious people to bypass Wi-Fi security and steal your information uh there there expla like crack KR that that allowed them to do this there were plugins for Firefox for a while where you could use them and load uh and see what was going on on the network if you ever use Wi-Fi at a hotel shopping mall any of those free Wi-Fi airports are really bad for this too you're sending your data over an open network meaning there's no encryption at all the best way to ensure that all your data is encrypted and can't be read by hackers is by using expressvpn and all you need to do is download the expressvpn app on your computer or smartphone and then use the internet just as you normally would you click one button in expn app to secure 100% of your dework data and it's the vastest and most reliable they're recommended as the number one VPN Provider by review sites like tech radar and CNET Express VPN is a company that takes privacy and security to the next level they invented a technology called trusted server to ensure that VPN servers run from RAM and no data logs are written to a server's hard drive even by accident if you want the best in online security and privacy protection head over to expressvpn.com apppp Insider for three extra months free with a one-year package protect your internet today with the VPN I trust to keep my data safe go to expressvpn.com appleinsider to get started will FL fluro elast and if I pronounced that wrong I'm going to claim that's the British pronunciation of it but I can't get out of the fact that I said it began with a p fluro Al that material um I I actually found it fine and I was not going to swap away to buy bands but I was given one and then another one came something else I have two or three bands and I do swap between them and you know like so so a fluo elastomer is basically a fluorocarbon based synthetic rubber that's that's all that means really I just I had trouble with the pronunciation um uh no trouble with the price so that's okay so fkm which I mentioned a second ago is a the short form for a floral aser cam category that conforms to the the American ASM standards and viton for example is a registered trademark of DuPont as a part of those performance kind of elastomers there's fpm there's fkm there's viton there's EPDM um car DM yeah well EPDM Rubber is ethylene propylene DN monometer and and the differences between all these different types of things is their chemical resistance and temperature ranges so a floral laser like viton or or fkm are higher quality and we presume that's what Apple's using right I especially chose it for the cheapness though so I'm glad to hear that there's more involved but oh the sorry I I went off down Rabbit Hole trying to find out to say that word is this whole thing of uh will you be forever swapping straps if you get one of these uh watchband uh yeah I just curious to know do you don't think Apple would like us to keep buying expensive bands with electronics in it do you I can't imagine just doesn't sound like them at all well but this gets to an interesting point right first of all there's always been in the past some difficulty with the concept of selling an accessory for your accessory yes that's true right you can sell an accessory for your main product right you might buy a case for your iPhone or you know originally the watch was an accessory for an iPhone now the watch operates a little more independently so you can say that the watch is is is either a device on its own or it's an accessory for the iPhone true good point right so so buying watch straps is an accessory for the accessory which is traditionally A Hard Sell but in this case if it lends you that additional functionality you want it's maybe not that is true actually yes I mean right now I was going to say right now band swapping is purely aesthetic but it isn't there are bands that you um my wife Andel has quite a small wrist so the uh the band that comes with it any band with holes in is tricky whereas that one that kind of loops around you suits her better so there's a practical purpose but nowhere near as much as having I don't know Wi-Fi or 5G based in there yeah apple is set to ship between 20 to 30 million units of the iPhone se2 and we talked about the idea of an se2 and what it might be like but it's coming in 2020 is is what Mingo predicts yeah yes and it's thought to be using a a motherboard similar to the one used in iPhone 11 oh yes where hang on let's be careful last week you basically talked me into getting airpods Pro don't talk me into getting iPhone 11 okay don't I'll be a little clearer it may not be the same motherboard as used in the iPhone 11 it's oh dear excuse me it's it's going to be constructed like the motherboard using in the iPhone 11 using the same technology to make the motherboard um so so it's not going to be just a rebundling of an iPhone 11 no it's it's going to be using the similar technology to build it okay now we we do expect that it will use the a13 processor used in the iPhone 11 along with 3 gig of RAM so it will be in in many ways just as capable if not more than than the iPhone 11 in terms of performance and antenna design and things like that but there's a thought that it'll have Touch ID instead of face ID well that would makes sense wouldn't it cuz face ID I believe is very expensive uh to do so yes I actually I like touch ID I have my iPad has Touch ID and there are times when you know kind of reach across the desk for it and it's quite handy to just put your thumb there you why can't we have both have you used Apple TV plus yet yes I have actually yes have you I have okay then so we don't need to talk about it we both know that's well what do you think I first of all I'm enjoying it second of all the quality is good in what sense just just in terms of streaming it has the highest bit rate of any 4K streaming service yes I was hearing that um and apple doesn't seem to be shouting about it much where you're right I was thinking the morning show looked utterly gorgeous in particular so so what happens here is that when you're streaming video you you do a few checks before you set up the video stream or as you're setting up the video stream to see what bandwidth the connection can support and so there's a wide span a wide variance from how low bit rate you can send or how high a bit rate you send based on everything from your own internet connection to the speeds of the links between you and the server where the video is coming from mhm but if all of those links are optimized if everything's working the way it should then you can get as as much as 41 megabits per second at at Peak an average bit rate of around 29 megabits per second that's really really high quality stuff I don't know how to translate that into what we see but I do think the images on Apple TV shows are are beautiful so yes they're beautiful than they would have been yes yeah so basically it's streaming 1.5 to two times the bit rate of an HD Blu-ray disc goodness and about half that of a UHD Blu-ray disc how does that compare to somewhere like Netflix do we know uh not entirely certain I don't have the specs on Netflix streaming also Netflix comes in different quality levels doesn't it and various things when you pay so so we'd want to compare Netflix 4K streams to Apple TV 4K streams right and and we do that I mean it's certainly possible but I I haven't run those tests cool nor have I didn't even think of them before now but okay yeah yes for some reason I'm more interested in the programs I'm watching than the specs behind them but speaking of the programs speaking of the program there's a drama called Hala or Hala produced by J pingit Smith that's going to uh come to theaters first on November 22nd and then come to streaming on December 6th so apple is releasing movies to theaters ahead of their release on on the streaming service which is pretty cool and and that's very clearly kind of a a play to get considered for awards yes yeah which for yeah right back on the um what was it called sorry the 1984 ad that actually played well this isn't theat thing but they played it on television in a local market somewhere a couple of weeks before so that it would qualif Super Bowl so they could qualify for awards yeah yes they know what they're doing that's what the well in this case at least yes yeah and and we've seen trailers for that we've also seen a full link trailer for Servant which is from ight Shyamalan yeah and that's coming on November 28th so we're going to have a nice happy November December Christmas viewing time Christmas viewing on Apple TV plus all right I have a complaint about Apple TV plus okay I have I have two complaints first of all they've for most of the shows they've only published three or four episodes yes and you'd rather binge through the whole series my bingeing habits are are crying in pain I want to see the whole thing okay well how about you wait a bit and come back later no okay can't help you then no yeah and the other complaint is about Apple's bungling and mismanagement of Apple IDs okay that doesn't seem Apple TV specific but uh I've had some pain points with that as well what's yours Apple TV has highlighted it for me once again yes in order to take advantage of the free year of Apple TV service based on oh yes yes your Apple ID that you used when you purchased your shiny new piece of Hardware oh I didn't think of that of course yes you have to sign in as that user among the multiple users that you can now sign in with on TV apps and tvos right okay never occurred to me yes and so I've had to sign in to the Apple TV with the other Apple ID and and and then that's changed all my purchase history and it's changed things I signed in on my phone as well so that I could go ahead and have the TV service on the phone which then switched me out of my test flight Apple ID got okay now why do I have a test flight appleid let me let me explain the history of Apple ID here for just a second so there was it tools which gave you a MAAC email address add or or a mac.com email address as it were and then there was the ability to use AOL Instant Messenger IDs as an Apple ID for iTunes purchases so I had one back then and then AOL Instant Messenger went away and they told everyone convert your AOL Instant Messenger name into an email name so that you keep all of your purchases and purchase history and stuff like that and so I converted that to an email address that I already owned and all my purchase history going back to 2008 2009 with the beginning of the App Store is on that account all of my test flight stuff is on that account but that account is not the Apple ID and I use that Apple ID for also managing my family account for all the other Apple days for my family but that's not the one that I use with my iCloud necessarily because with my iCloud I if you don't use one that ends in inmac or in in um me.com or mac.com which came out of the me yeah part of the era um then you don't get to take advantage of things like iCloud email okay no I didn't know that okay oh yeah you have to have one that ends in mac.com or me.com to be able to use iCloud email they they if you used one that has your personal email address as your Apple ID you don't get to do that now if this sound sounds confusing it's because it is okay it's because Apple has allowed history and allowed to this to be a complete mess and and not allowed you to unify them in any kind of sensible way and so here I am with uh two major different Apple IDs and a handful that I've just simply discarded over the years from the ey tools era because my gosh I can't how how many should I keep around really um you know and back then they gave you online storage to publish websites on and so people did this thing where you'd sign up for multiples and then use apple scripts to combine them into one gross large storage kind of thing um so there there technically I've probably had about 16 different Apple IDs as it stands now I have three or four that I maintain all right I have three okay it's but it's fairly common for people whove been doing this long enough to have two sure right so uh what's solution Buy Apple TV the the solution is complain about Apple and shake my fist at the sky because they really ought to do better at managing this or merging them so that the purchase history is seen across all of them or that I don't lose my test flight access because I've signed in to get my free Apple TV plus this is dumb it is yes yes can't can't disagree with you there listeners hey everyone out there listening if you've had an experience with apple IDs that's annoyed you or frustrated you why don't you write in why didn't tell me about that and if you've watched an Apple TV Plus show and you've really enjoyed it tell us that too I would like to hear how many of you are enjoying them as much as we are this might only be recognizable to uh people in the UK but this sounds like if you've been affected by any of the issues discussed in this program plan okay our attorneys are only practicing in these two states but don't worry affiliate law fir law firms will be able to help you in other states as well no we're not doing that this is not Gathering that kind I just want to know because I I I I understand that I have a long history with apple IDs and that my my having ones for different country stores is a little outside the norm but but having an email address and an iCloud one is not exactly that far outside especially if you're a developer for example no totally fairly common for people who've been doing it a long time find out okay yeah how will people tell you just just how alone am I on this one how will people reach you to tell you this information they will email me at William appleinsider.com and Victor appleinsider.com okay that sounds good and on Twitter by any chance will you accept tweets as legitimate currency W Gallagher that's the one I like that one that's actually one of my favorites on Twitter one of the best accounts on Twitter I like to think so don't ask me it's it's been it's been determined by a wide group of people yes I'm V marks on Twitter you can find us on the internet you can find us at email please let us know William yes what are we going to do next week hopefully not uh talk about how you've talked me into buying a device that isn't quite like an iPhone 11 but close um any allegedly allegedly um any thoughts from you about next week is there something coming up at all you know there are people that are still holding out hope for a new Macbook Pro and I don't want to dash their hopes what I I think we ought to do instead is I want to recommend some apps do you mind if I recommend some apps should yeah I'd like to recommend two apps so there's there's one that I was looking at called Zippy Cal and Zippy Cal is a different way of visualizing your schedule and your day it starts with a a big circle a 12h hour Circle and you can switch between day or night of the circle and it shows your a point it's laid out around the 12-hour clock kind of circle and then you swipe up and it shows you the details of them and what I like about it is that it's an interesting different visual approach to calendaring instead of seeing here's a grid and here's a list of your stuff it's gives you a sort of frame of reference and you can kind of see where your free time Falls I like it I'm the other one I want to talk about free time yeah I know you don't have any I am aware the the other thing that I've been using this week that I'm really really really interested in is um oh uh Aaron Pierce Aaron Pierce has got four applications he's got home run home pass home scan and home Cam and as the name indicates they're all sort of homekit related and um homecam for example lets you view cameras that you have in homekit on phone and Apple TV so my doorbell camera that I have shows up on the Apple TV it's fantastic um home scan is a way of of you know with with these apps you can go ahead and scan all of your codes and maintain a database of all of the eight-digit codes required to get these devices into homekit which is especially handy because trying to find the sticker or the booklet or taking the device off the wall to get at the sticker on the device really frustrating going ahead and having this as a list of of things that you can work from is huge true listen i' really really got to wrap up and get out you could carry this on without me no no I I just wanted to mention these two developers and their apps because I think that our listeners if if you're using homekit at all go check it out home run home pass home scan home cam we will be back next week Williams say goodbye to everybody goodbye everybody all right cheers we'll be backyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to this episode of the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor marks and joining me is the wondrous William Gallagher yeah I can tell you what I'm wessing about this time it's whether I can dare ever speak to you again after last week and what you did was that good did that that was that was excellent I'm I'm really pleased with that what I want to say about what I did last week it's a good thing you did in in most respects but okay what what I did last week was I I got equally some of the worst feedback we've ever gotten on a show and some of the best feedback we've ever gotten on the show right and I especially want to thank our listeners who who raised the accessibility issues to me and followed up with feedback and comments about on accessibility and iOS and the problems that they face and it's it's really difficult you know there there are people who obviously should have all the same access to to both the device and all the things that the device grants access to the internet social media um texting messaging Communications there's there's a huge world out there and if you don't have a device you are cut off from it and it's it's easy for people who don't have these these challenges to forget and you know we talk about people loading government services onto devices or or you know just go to Facebook or things like this but if you don't have a device that has accessibility if you don't have the ability to access this kind of stuff it's a real problem and you know there are ma there were major bugs in voiceover where voice over would stock coping completely after having been on a phone call uh in years past Braille users of of displays would lose the ability to type or read on their displays and there have been some really serious bugs with almost every release of iOS over the past few years inaccessibility so this is this is a really a big problem because when you have these sorts of problems repeatedly um if I may you were talking about the accessibility things I have a slight out of that that might be uh useful can I bang on with that or do you need me to no no so please go ahead and talk I I'll I'll let you speak about accessibility I think we need to focus on this a little bit okay well I got to say actually this all uh makes the thing I was about to accuse you of seem quite trivial and and silly in comparison I I'm long been aware accessible isses as well as one can I mean intellectually one expects that one knows about accessibility it's only when you actually need it that you really appreciate it but for so many years in so many ways I've been deeply impressed with what Apple has done so the fact that it's now going wrong and and you say going wrong over some time that that's even more disappointing than it not being there in the first place for years we felt comfortable talking about accessibility and for years we felt comfortable recommending U Max because they just worked and this this is a real difficulty uh especially when people can't have the confidence that they need that their device is going to work right you know an example of a a a bug is Bluetooth hearing aids where the audio handling is such that when a a user has hearing aids paired voiceover sounds still come through the speaker we have difficulties and and these have to be better addressed and Bug reporting has to be better addressed you had some thoughts about accessibility William yeah not very useful ones I think actually intellectually one is always very aware of uh accessibility but you you can't ever really understand it until you need it but given my position over the years I've been very impressed with apple and how it's uh seemingly done far far more about accessibility than anyone else so actually now you to tell me that it's going wrong and has been going wrong for quite some time time that's that's probably more disappointing than it not being there in the first place yeah I we we are going to spend some more time on this I am really going to um live with voiceover and try and interact with with it as as best I can yeah because you know imagine that you were a a technology director at a school and you were trying to make sure that your your systems were all set up for accommodating students with these needs and so you're testing this stuff out and having to live with it and finding how much goes wrong it's really a difficult thing I mean having to make this your main device instead of a beta device right and one of the things I'm most concerned about is that there's you know reporting bugs and giving feedback to Apple is hard enough as it is for you know T typical users that that have all all of the uh the abilities that apple might or anyone might assume and uh it's it's just uh boggling to me how on Earth people with these needs are able to report bugs at all and not that you know with with broken tools getting in the way I mean no I understand it's just it's it's an entire world so yes we should dig into it I'm just ever more conscious the thing I was going to talk to you about is really really trivial so maybe I I'll just leave that and next time say to you what you did two weeks ago God how's that so there yeah oh yeah good word so there yes so there right Qualcomm remember Qualcomm really thought you'd press me on what you did last week but okay Qualcomm yes yes heard of them Qualcomm had their investor conference call with their big earnings reveal yes and they said that 2020 is going to hold two inflection points that's the quote for 5G chip chips so the first major development for 5G will be the spring launch of handsets from folks like Samsung and other Chinese manufacturers things like this right I didn't know that but it makes sense yes Fair a second inflection point will arrive quote in the fall time frame when another set of Flagship devices will adopt 5G end quote yes you suppose what what what what kind of device launches what Flagship device launches in the no you don't you don't mean no you can't mean 5G coming to airpods I I can but I don't think that that's a 2020 thing okay shot in the dark play the Hunch what what else could it possibly be I I would say that would happen to Apple watch before it would ever happen to uh to airpods but I think airpods are going to one day get it okay airpods are on my mind for reasons but okay what do you I presume I iPhone then in which case this is shocking news Apple iPhone will have 5G from Qualcomm qualcom in 2020 which is something we've been saying all along but this is the first time that the CFO of Qualcomm has confirmed it oh basically okay and uh now now this Qualcomm CFO didn't name iPhone right yeah they just noted they just made note that by the way Apple and Google typically introduce new smartphones in fall in lock step with an annual release cycle yes and don't know why we bring that up at this point when we say we're about to look yeah two two inflection points one in the fall for Flagship devices and by the way Apple and Google release in the fall you may think so but I couldn't possibly comment that kind of thing yes okay exactly you might you might draw that conclusion but I couldn't possibly comment all right I remember when quc was all who's suing who and all this stuff but this is more interesting I like this this is better mhm and uh CEO of Qualcomm Steve mop said in an interview that his company's been tapped to provide 5G silicon to over 230 device designs that's up from 150 devices last quarter okay how many iPhones are there going to be well obviously that's not all iPhones right there are other phones available Samsung and Huawei would like you to think so Google certainly has a pixel phone that they advertise they might have sell a handful okay i' vaguely heard about that all right I thought you might yeah okay now currently the iPhone you know for the past two years the iPhone and iPad lines have been using Intel's chips for the uh the modems this is a return to Qualcomm the the projection is that Apple's going to be working on their own 5G modem for using an iPhone around 2022 and further that once they have that sorted out they could in 2023 or so integrate that into the CPU into the a series system on chip okay yes I'm following this there's not not a whole lot to follow it's just this is this is the direction things are going in all right I thought you were building up to something else and I was just holding in my head okay NOP nope that that was that oh well then in that Cas I think last week's thing was more interesting but you know you don't want to know so you oh go on let me tell you because it was your fault and I Blame You F I have I bought Apple airpods last week because of you yeah I congratulations and I don't see how I'm responsible you made some crack about how if I got them I'd have the set all three versions and I started thinking yes and that'd be interesting to compare them all and was I incorrect uh no you were fully correct it just hadn't entered my head before and clearly I'm a completist um because I pretty much straight after that podcast I went out and spent more money than I should have done I I want to tell Angela that I am not responsible for your abuse of Finance okay make sure just because you abuse your bank account has nothing to do with me I couldn't possibly comment okay but uh amongst the the general blame I'm sending away also said Thanks cuz I love him so thank you very much yes well done well done but that was last week what has Apple done for us this week you know that's a great question Apple has gone ahead and made health records available to Veterans across the United States so all US veterans eligible for VA Healthcare are able to access their health records in the health app yeah so that that follows a summerlong trial and the VA joins John's Hopkins University of California San Diego Quest Diagnostics all scripts um UNC uh Duke um people participating in some some of the groups participating in the the my chart portal system a ton 400 other healthcare provider organizations lab networks Lab Core um all support health records on iPhone cool and including the VA in there is a big deal because you know helping veterans gain a better understanding of their health is is Apple's chance to show gratitude for their service as says Jeff Williams Apple's Chief Operating Officer uh by working with VA to offer health records on iPhone we hope to help those who have served have greater peace of mind their healthc care is in good hands now in in the US we have sometimes a difficult relationship with with the VA just because it's it sometimes we're we we read reports about veterans not getting the services they need or or the VA facilities and and bureaucracy not living up to the promise of what they should be able to deliver so you know our our article says historically veterans have had a problem with records of medical treatment scattered across several facilities vessels bases and so forth the health records integration isn't perfect as evidenced by a check uh this morning by one apple and cider staffer you know but but in our case some old records housed in Virginia and Hawaii were fully integrated for the first time in 20 years wow okay now obviously there are some pitfalls because if you've got paper records including some following a departure from service they may not have been entered or scanned for the record so so it's possible for there to be some issues but we expect especially over time that those issues will work themselves out yes and this anything it's obviously a lot better now than it ever has been the this it's just the start of a journey but what a good journey to be on excellent okay AB impressive you know speaking of Journeys I I like to think about things as sort of lifelong learning right sure we're all on this journey together all learning all all progressing all trying to better ourselves yes You' agree with that yeah yeah I'm hoping you're leading to an adre rather than just something you feel I should address in my personal life maybe my finances or something but yeah it's a little bit of both but I am absolutely focused on your well-being and your your growth as a person William ah thank you for it he said wearily and that's that's kind of why I want to mention master class so Master Class lets you learn from the best with exclusive access to online classes taught by masters of their craft you could learn how to shoot uh films you could improve your writing with lessons from Neil Gaiman you could learn game design with with Will Wright and they have over 60 different instructors across tons of categories so there's literally something for everyone like you William you could learn to write screenplays okay yes I think I think that would be excellent you should totally do that okay never entered my head before okay I there's there's I think it'd be really valuable there you could learn something yes I doubtlessly I could yes I just convinced with the way you're pronouncing it pronouncing it the way you um you look like you look like you're saying this while looking at me that way so okay yes but yes it's a really interesting service yeah I want to talk a little bit about will right and and game development so Will Wright has a game development master class on there and the cours workk is really exciting you know it's it's very heavy on coming up with game Concepts and prototyping them so by the time you you go through this thing you'll have around 10 or more of your own Concepts to work out and they expect you to prototype these in some way and they they later on in the course ask you to create a more complete prototype as sort of a Capstone project and now obviously the lectures are bent a little bit towards rights kind of games but these Concepts the high level concepts are applicable to any genre and he points out how so it's it's really good and the the content is good and the presentation and production values are just the topnotch it's really really good excellent and you know Will Wright is is is especially you know he he was working at Maxis um this is a guy who you know he's talked at game developers conference GDC um there is absolutely a lot of value here it's it's a really impressive course and I highly recommend you check it out get unlimited access to every master class and as an apple Insider podcast listener you get 15% off the annual all access pass go to masterclass.com appleinsider that's masterclass.com apppp inssider for 15% off masterclass so William someone wrote about Apple having a new privacy page yes well that would be me wouldn't it yes some some rep scallion some scoundrel I'm not but yeah what what's changed well two things really one is a sort of surface change if you like it it looks very different um which is more important than it sounds uh what they've changed is they've made they've made it like a primer anything you're concerned about is my safe when I'm using Maps am I telling people this there are about like paragraph long descriptions of exactly what goes on and when and they're really well done um but then they've also added a series of four white papers um things on location services Maps photos and safe web browsing totals about 40 pages of some really specific details of what your iPhone or device uh does at any one time and it's it's just laid out there it's very clear and and really well done wild it's it's interesting because you know this is one of the big pushes that Apple has done uh since Tim Cook became more vocal right obviously privacy as a focus started way back with Steve Jobs but but Tim has really pushed it Forward would you agree with that oh totally I mean increasingly it's I think especially this year actually it's just got more and more and more so yeah fascinating actually you to see to track back and see how much Apple has done because you you have this thing of you know Steve Jobs and Steve wnc in their garage they were not thinking about this stuff uh but when did they start and about 10 11 years ago uh you can see Steve Jobs is already being really vehement about everything it's very impressive um the depth of detail they go into and how passionate they are about it I mean I I am of a mind that you could argue uh Apple has found a nice differentiator um that it can champion this and that it's purely a profit thing um that this is a really good selling point and doubtlessly it is but it wasn't when they started and and I actually believe them I think the efforts are laudable yeah you know the the old Jobs quote that is still good is I believe people are smart and some people want to share more data than other people do ask them ask them every time make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of you're asking them let them know precisely what you're going to do with their data yes because he actually said that in a Wall Street Journal conference and in the audience was Mark Zuckerberg and there one point he where he talks about where jobs says um we at Apple are more concerned than some of our colleagues and it's like he pauses trying to think of a word to describe Zuckerberg and some of our colle colleagues and without question it's directed at Zuckerberg which I mean this is what 2010 or something yeah but the thing is back then in those early days jobs had advised Zuckerberg I didn't know that no oh so so the way that jobs jobs was was accessible to other Founders not of course not every every guy with a startup but obviously to ones that were really succeeding in becoming a prominent thing like that jobs was made himself sometimes accessible to and so he would go for walks in his neighborhood wow and just have little chats and and Zuckerberg went for a walk with jobs and had a had a just a walking chat at least one time yeah okay and I don't know if if it was more than that but but this happened once that that we know of and um it's it's interesting to see how those two diverged yeah yeah I thought it was also depressing that um there was reference in the Wall Street journal's description of it of all the things that people were concerned about with Facebook uh and it was the same then as it is now um so well this is interesting so I I was going through the history of all this stuff last night and I went and laid out all of the uh look I started back in 2006 so in 2006 Facebook started the newsfeed and they shared everything you changed to your profile to all of your friends oh yes I remember that it it turns out that people don't necessarily like having all of the changes to their profile broadcast all over no that's true it's amazing isn't it yeah in 2007 they started sharing whatever you purchased with your Facebook friends this was a thing Facebook called Beacon and so you know if you bought something it blasted out to all your friends William bought this uh performance enhancer yes well turns out people weren't exactly a fan of advertising that either no okay and and they created an option to allow you to opt out now periodically the problem with Facebook is that you opt out of something and they make an update and they opt you back in yes you got Facebook and it's yes it's um we've talked about this before I have problems with them and how they handle even trivial user decisions like uh the sound stuff you want it switched off tough back on yeah in 2011 the US FC the Federal Trade Commission settled with Facebook over not keeping Facebook's privacy policy that is Facebook had to basically admit and settle with the FCC Facebook had been telling users that thirdparty apps could access a limited set of data needed for the apps and the truth was Facebook was giving third parties all of their personal data in 2013 they had a bug that exposed 6 million Facebook users contact data anyone who had any piece of your contact info so the way this works is when you are in Facebook and you sign up it says hey would you like to upload all of your contacts to us and they make it really easy to say yes and when you download your own information yes if you had one piece of information on someone phone number email address just one of those pieces they had the rest because they had they' gone ahead and compiled these profiles and so when you download your information they gave you all of that person's information they gave you all of that person's contact info so if you had just the one piece you now had all the pieces okay right whoops in 2014 they altered their Newsfeed to show either more positive or more negative stories and they published this as a study in the proceedings of the national Academy of Sciences basically they were trying to see how emotions could spread on social media and so they used every Facebook user as an experiment without your consent to see if they could make you feel bad well you can't knock them for being thorough okay you can all right I can I diligent that's the word we're looking for in in 2015 Facebook cut off third party app developers from having access to all the data they wanted the problem is they have no way of knowing or controlling how many developers were using information that they downloaded before being cut off yes yeah right Cambridge analytica do I need to say anything no do I even and this year this year Facebook had a VPN app where they paid teenagers to Route all their mobile phone traffic through Facebook servers Facebook could see everything what apps they were using what they did on them even if it was related to Facebook they could see everything for the low price of 20 bucks a user now it did have a cost to them when Apple pulled their Enterprise certificate and all of the other infernal Facebook apps the cafeteria app the bus schedule app all the other things that Facebook used broke yeah yeah and then we we so one of these third party app developers sued Facebook and there have been leaked documents coming out of that case they were supposed to be sealed but now they're they were getting leaked and basically there are 7,000 pages in total 4,000 are internal Facebook emails web chats notes presentations spreadsheets from about 2011 to 2015 and 1,200 pages are marked as highly confidential and this is all stuff you can view now you can view the PDFs of the depositions the emails the presentations from this lawsuit against Facebook and what the reason this lawsuit was taking place is because Facebook was playing favorites with who got access to user data how you ask Facebook gave Amazon special access to user data because face because Amazon was spending money on Facebook advertising Facebook also used that to cut off apps that they saw as competitors so Facebook owns Facebook messenger and WhatsApp Messenger they cut off the messaging app message me because they were afraid that it was becoming too strong and competing with Facebook messaging so they denied message me user data I hate to say but I've never even heard of message me that sounds like that was effective then yeah they they're they're in in any case what I'm saying is that Facebook has a history of not being the sure best they're not they're not being the best guardian of your privacy shall we say okay do we need to throw any allegedly in here if so allegedly okay but yes what does now it does actually I feel a little lighter yeah oh good so the the thing that I'm saying is that Apple publishing their privacy statements put publishing all these information is a good step the the having having this apple privacy push is good the one thing that's going to happen is that when Apple fails on privacy or has a bug on privacy that it it's going to be pointed out as it's hypocrisy and that's not necessarily the case especially in the case of bugs true I mean you've had the FBI saying how hypocritical appal is when I can't remember what bug it was that happened it seemed uh a Gul overreaction uh to it when other companies aren't coming close to what apple is doing it's I'm funny what I what I really wish out of apple is plain language you know it's it's one thing to read the Jobs quote that says ask people ask people every time make them tell you to stop telling asking them right that's great but the uh and and the iOS interactions you know asking for Bluetooth or asking for microphone are good although it would be helpful to understand why they're asking for example it it leads to misleading user situations where when when you set up carplay they ask if you want to use like carplay use Bluetooth and they don't tell you why that's necessary and so people think that it's for audio handling and it's not necessarily for audio handling you know I I have you know it's it's for setting up wireless carplay is what it's for because they use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Discovery to set up the wireless carplay link um with you know and and so people who are experiencing accessibility bugs with Bluetooth hearing aids are blaming saying okay to that as being the problem and it's not it's an iOS 13 bug you know what I'd also like is some clarity around the end user licenses you know you you sign up for iTunes and you have to click agree to 50 pages of legal terms yeah long to read them you don't read them no one reads though no they even that email me a copy button no come on no no who comic strip version of it some sort of oh there was one there was one I don't remember I didn't even read that though so okay no so we need to we need more we need more clarity okay in conclusion delete Facebook okay uh in conclusion you still can't run shortcuts without the Facebook app but that's another story I'm just I'm just saying if you if you have to use Facebook use it through the browser if you can limit yourself to the groups and friends that you're interested in not the news feed and uh don't use third party apps with Facebook and best of all delete your account how about we focus on something nice uh this story that's as we record this just bur but another Apple patent to do with uh watch bands that have wireless antennas in them well I told you that the watch was going to get 5G before the um that's true you did before the airpods pro didn't I just say that I was sure I said that I didn't listen to you and all these minutes later you're right that's true had made that connection yeah see right so there's a patent or a patent if you will that describes using an apple watchband with an integrated wireless antenna to communicate with external devices now external devices could be a lot of things they could sensors they could be um you know expanded power in for Wi-Fi or or Bluetooth it could be stuff to control other devices there's there's a lot there but the idea is if you can put the antenna and control circuitry in the watch band then you free up that space in the watch itself and and furthermore you could put different Wireless uh control and and antenna in so you could do it for different Technologies now Lord only knows is why on Earth you'd want to have zigg in your watch band but it's an interesting discussion okay I don't know who zigg is but I'm sure he or she is very so zigby and Z-Wave are or zwave are different Technologies of Wireless for home automation the Philips H light bulbs use zigg and you have to use the Phillips H bridge to get your ethernet or Wi-Fi over to the light bulbs I'm just thinking and the advantages of doing things like that is that you get longer range and you don't have the same cluttered Wireless area because everything else is using the same Wireless space for um sure you know Wi-Fi but if you do want watch band um are you going to change watch bands uh because you want to connect to something else uh are all bands going to come with things like this that's a difficulty here yeah that's possible I realized I didn't expect to change my watch band at all because I was quite fine with the um I can't pronounce it but the the sort of rubbery plastic one that the the frankly cheapest watch has come sport band sport band yeah there's a more chemical word that I can't pronounce but I was given a leather strap and then later it's either silicone or it's fkm rubber but yeah it's something more than that I've got to look it up now cover me while I type um no no no no I won't be able to pronounce it even when I find it right so you do that and I'll tell our listeners your friends and mine about Express VN okay do all right we were just talking about privacy a few minutes ago and express VPN is is a product I've been using for a few months now and it's an incredibly reliable way to make sure that my network is secure without slowing down my internet speed why should you care about encrypting all your data well it's easy for for for hackers or malicious people to bypass Wi-Fi security and steal your information uh there there expla like crack KR that that allowed them to do this there were plugins for Firefox for a while where you could use them and load uh and see what was going on on the network if you ever use Wi-Fi at a hotel shopping mall any of those free Wi-Fi airports are really bad for this too you're sending your data over an open network meaning there's no encryption at all the best way to ensure that all your data is encrypted and can't be read by hackers is by using expressvpn and all you need to do is download the expressvpn app on your computer or smartphone and then use the internet just as you normally would you click one button in expn app to secure 100% of your dework data and it's the vastest and most reliable they're recommended as the number one VPN Provider by review sites like tech radar and CNET Express VPN is a company that takes privacy and security to the next level they invented a technology called trusted server to ensure that VPN servers run from RAM and no data logs are written to a server's hard drive even by accident if you want the best in online security and privacy protection head over to expressvpn.com apppp Insider for three extra months free with a one-year package protect your internet today with the VPN I trust to keep my data safe go to expressvpn.com appleinsider to get started will FL fluro elast and if I pronounced that wrong I'm going to claim that's the British pronunciation of it but I can't get out of the fact that I said it began with a p fluro Al that material um I I actually found it fine and I was not going to swap away to buy bands but I was given one and then another one came something else I have two or three bands and I do swap between them and you know like so so a fluo elastomer is basically a fluorocarbon based synthetic rubber that's that's all that means really I just I had trouble with the pronunciation um uh no trouble with the price so that's okay so fkm which I mentioned a second ago is a the short form for a floral aser cam category that conforms to the the American ASM standards and viton for example is a registered trademark of DuPont as a part of those performance kind of elastomers there's fpm there's fkm there's viton there's EPDM um car DM yeah well EPDM Rubber is ethylene propylene DN monometer and and the differences between all these different types of things is their chemical resistance and temperature ranges so a floral laser like viton or or fkm are higher quality and we presume that's what Apple's using right I especially chose it for the cheapness though so I'm glad to hear that there's more involved but oh the sorry I I went off down Rabbit Hole trying to find out to say that word is this whole thing of uh will you be forever swapping straps if you get one of these uh watchband uh yeah I just curious to know do you don't think Apple would like us to keep buying expensive bands with electronics in it do you I can't imagine just doesn't sound like them at all well but this gets to an interesting point right first of all there's always been in the past some difficulty with the concept of selling an accessory for your accessory yes that's true right you can sell an accessory for your main product right you might buy a case for your iPhone or you know originally the watch was an accessory for an iPhone now the watch operates a little more independently so you can say that the watch is is is either a device on its own or it's an accessory for the iPhone true good point right so so buying watch straps is an accessory for the accessory which is traditionally A Hard Sell but in this case if it lends you that additional functionality you want it's maybe not that is true actually yes I mean right now I was going to say right now band swapping is purely aesthetic but it isn't there are bands that you um my wife Andel has quite a small wrist so the uh the band that comes with it any band with holes in is tricky whereas that one that kind of loops around you suits her better so there's a practical purpose but nowhere near as much as having I don't know Wi-Fi or 5G based in there yeah apple is set to ship between 20 to 30 million units of the iPhone se2 and we talked about the idea of an se2 and what it might be like but it's coming in 2020 is is what Mingo predicts yeah yes and it's thought to be using a a motherboard similar to the one used in iPhone 11 oh yes where hang on let's be careful last week you basically talked me into getting airpods Pro don't talk me into getting iPhone 11 okay don't I'll be a little clearer it may not be the same motherboard as used in the iPhone 11 it's oh dear excuse me it's it's going to be constructed like the motherboard using in the iPhone 11 using the same technology to make the motherboard um so so it's not going to be just a rebundling of an iPhone 11 no it's it's going to be using the similar technology to build it okay now we we do expect that it will use the a13 processor used in the iPhone 11 along with 3 gig of RAM so it will be in in many ways just as capable if not more than than the iPhone 11 in terms of performance and antenna design and things like that but there's a thought that it'll have Touch ID instead of face ID well that would makes sense wouldn't it cuz face ID I believe is very expensive uh to do so yes I actually I like touch ID I have my iPad has Touch ID and there are times when you know kind of reach across the desk for it and it's quite handy to just put your thumb there you why can't we have both have you used Apple TV plus yet yes I have actually yes have you I have okay then so we don't need to talk about it we both know that's well what do you think I first of all I'm enjoying it second of all the quality is good in what sense just just in terms of streaming it has the highest bit rate of any 4K streaming service yes I was hearing that um and apple doesn't seem to be shouting about it much where you're right I was thinking the morning show looked utterly gorgeous in particular so so what happens here is that when you're streaming video you you do a few checks before you set up the video stream or as you're setting up the video stream to see what bandwidth the connection can support and so there's a wide span a wide variance from how low bit rate you can send or how high a bit rate you send based on everything from your own internet connection to the speeds of the links between you and the server where the video is coming from mhm but if all of those links are optimized if everything's working the way it should then you can get as as much as 41 megabits per second at at Peak an average bit rate of around 29 megabits per second that's really really high quality stuff I don't know how to translate that into what we see but I do think the images on Apple TV shows are are beautiful so yes they're beautiful than they would have been yes yeah so basically it's streaming 1.5 to two times the bit rate of an HD Blu-ray disc goodness and about half that of a UHD Blu-ray disc how does that compare to somewhere like Netflix do we know uh not entirely certain I don't have the specs on Netflix streaming also Netflix comes in different quality levels doesn't it and various things when you pay so so we'd want to compare Netflix 4K streams to Apple TV 4K streams right and and we do that I mean it's certainly possible but I I haven't run those tests cool nor have I didn't even think of them before now but okay yeah yes for some reason I'm more interested in the programs I'm watching than the specs behind them but speaking of the programs speaking of the program there's a drama called Hala or Hala produced by J pingit Smith that's going to uh come to theaters first on November 22nd and then come to streaming on December 6th so apple is releasing movies to theaters ahead of their release on on the streaming service which is pretty cool and and that's very clearly kind of a a play to get considered for awards yes yeah which for yeah right back on the um what was it called sorry the 1984 ad that actually played well this isn't theat thing but they played it on television in a local market somewhere a couple of weeks before so that it would qualif Super Bowl so they could qualify for awards yeah yes they know what they're doing that's what the well in this case at least yes yeah and and we've seen trailers for that we've also seen a full link trailer for Servant which is from ight Shyamalan yeah and that's coming on November 28th so we're going to have a nice happy November December Christmas viewing time Christmas viewing on Apple TV plus all right I have a complaint about Apple TV plus okay I have I have two complaints first of all they've for most of the shows they've only published three or four episodes yes and you'd rather binge through the whole series my bingeing habits are are crying in pain I want to see the whole thing okay well how about you wait a bit and come back later no okay can't help you then no yeah and the other complaint is about Apple's bungling and mismanagement of Apple IDs okay that doesn't seem Apple TV specific but uh I've had some pain points with that as well what's yours Apple TV has highlighted it for me once again yes in order to take advantage of the free year of Apple TV service based on oh yes yes your Apple ID that you used when you purchased your shiny new piece of Hardware oh I didn't think of that of course yes you have to sign in as that user among the multiple users that you can now sign in with on TV apps and tvos right okay never occurred to me yes and so I've had to sign in to the Apple TV with the other Apple ID and and and then that's changed all my purchase history and it's changed things I signed in on my phone as well so that I could go ahead and have the TV service on the phone which then switched me out of my test flight Apple ID got okay now why do I have a test flight appleid let me let me explain the history of Apple ID here for just a second so there was it tools which gave you a MAAC email address add or or a mac.com email address as it were and then there was the ability to use AOL Instant Messenger IDs as an Apple ID for iTunes purchases so I had one back then and then AOL Instant Messenger went away and they told everyone convert your AOL Instant Messenger name into an email name so that you keep all of your purchases and purchase history and stuff like that and so I converted that to an email address that I already owned and all my purchase history going back to 2008 2009 with the beginning of the App Store is on that account all of my test flight stuff is on that account but that account is not the Apple ID and I use that Apple ID for also managing my family account for all the other Apple days for my family but that's not the one that I use with my iCloud necessarily because with my iCloud I if you don't use one that ends in inmac or in in um me.com or mac.com which came out of the me yeah part of the era um then you don't get to take advantage of things like iCloud email okay no I didn't know that okay oh yeah you have to have one that ends in mac.com or me.com to be able to use iCloud email they they if you used one that has your personal email address as your Apple ID you don't get to do that now if this sound sounds confusing it's because it is okay it's because Apple has allowed history and allowed to this to be a complete mess and and not allowed you to unify them in any kind of sensible way and so here I am with uh two major different Apple IDs and a handful that I've just simply discarded over the years from the ey tools era because my gosh I can't how how many should I keep around really um you know and back then they gave you online storage to publish websites on and so people did this thing where you'd sign up for multiples and then use apple scripts to combine them into one gross large storage kind of thing um so there there technically I've probably had about 16 different Apple IDs as it stands now I have three or four that I maintain all right I have three okay it's but it's fairly common for people whove been doing this long enough to have two sure right so uh what's solution Buy Apple TV the the solution is complain about Apple and shake my fist at the sky because they really ought to do better at managing this or merging them so that the purchase history is seen across all of them or that I don't lose my test flight access because I've signed in to get my free Apple TV plus this is dumb it is yes yes can't can't disagree with you there listeners hey everyone out there listening if you've had an experience with apple IDs that's annoyed you or frustrated you why don't you write in why didn't tell me about that and if you've watched an Apple TV Plus show and you've really enjoyed it tell us that too I would like to hear how many of you are enjoying them as much as we are this might only be recognizable to uh people in the UK but this sounds like if you've been affected by any of the issues discussed in this program plan okay our attorneys are only practicing in these two states but don't worry affiliate law fir law firms will be able to help you in other states as well no we're not doing that this is not Gathering that kind I just want to know because I I I I understand that I have a long history with apple IDs and that my my having ones for different country stores is a little outside the norm but but having an email address and an iCloud one is not exactly that far outside especially if you're a developer for example no totally fairly common for people who've been doing it a long time find out okay yeah how will people tell you just just how alone am I on this one how will people reach you to tell you this information they will email me at William appleinsider.com and Victor appleinsider.com okay that sounds good and on Twitter by any chance will you accept tweets as legitimate currency W Gallagher that's the one I like that one that's actually one of my favorites on Twitter one of the best accounts on Twitter I like to think so don't ask me it's it's been it's been determined by a wide group of people yes I'm V marks on Twitter you can find us on the internet you can find us at email please let us know William yes what are we going to do next week hopefully not uh talk about how you've talked me into buying a device that isn't quite like an iPhone 11 but close um any allegedly allegedly um any thoughts from you about next week is there something coming up at all you know there are people that are still holding out hope for a new Macbook Pro and I don't want to dash their hopes what I I think we ought to do instead is I want to recommend some apps do you mind if I recommend some apps should yeah I'd like to recommend two apps so there's there's one that I was looking at called Zippy Cal and Zippy Cal is a different way of visualizing your schedule and your day it starts with a a big circle a 12h hour Circle and you can switch between day or night of the circle and it shows your a point it's laid out around the 12-hour clock kind of circle and then you swipe up and it shows you the details of them and what I like about it is that it's an interesting different visual approach to calendaring instead of seeing here's a grid and here's a list of your stuff it's gives you a sort of frame of reference and you can kind of see where your free time Falls I like it I'm the other one I want to talk about free time yeah I know you don't have any I am aware the the other thing that I've been using this week that I'm really really really interested in is um oh uh Aaron Pierce Aaron Pierce has got four applications he's got home run home pass home scan and home Cam and as the name indicates they're all sort of homekit related and um homecam for example lets you view cameras that you have in homekit on phone and Apple TV so my doorbell camera that I have shows up on the Apple TV it's fantastic um home scan is a way of of you know with with these apps you can go ahead and scan all of your codes and maintain a database of all of the eight-digit codes required to get these devices into homekit which is especially handy because trying to find the sticker or the booklet or taking the device off the wall to get at the sticker on the device really frustrating going ahead and having this as a list of of things that you can work from is huge true listen i' really really got to wrap up and get out you could carry this on without me no no I I just wanted to mention these two developers and their apps because I think that our listeners if if you're using homekit at all go check it out home run home pass home scan home cam we will be back next week Williams say goodbye to everybody goodbye everybody all right cheers we'll be back\n"