Overclocking The MOST POWERFUL Gaming PC! ⏱️ Ryzen 9800X3D Overclocking Guide w_RTX 4090

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enladies and gentlemen unless you've been living under a rock chances are you've probably heard about this the new ryzen 7 9800 x3d it's reviewed incredibly well it's an awesome gaming CPU and as long as you do have a suitable graphics card to actually back this thing up you're going to love the performance and it is going to be excellent in your gaming PC but there's actually something that's changed under the hood that not a lot of people are probably talking about and that is overclocking because the old x3d chips were locked down they were restricted there wasn't actually too much you could do with them but the new one is fully unlocked so if you do want to get even more performance out of your chip then you can do it I think I smell an overclocking session everyone so join us as we show you hopefully how easy it is to overclock this and give you all the results and all the temperatures and everything you need to know we after a short word from this video sponsor msi's new core liquid ey series have arrived bringing awesome all-in-one calling to the masses thanks to the pre-installed fans just two cables to connect for the radiator block and a uni bracket for both AMD and Intel installation is a breeze the cooler looks awesome too with this eye-catching dual-sided infinity mirror and RGB fans glowing up your rig in addition to the awesome CPU calling performance learn more about this incredible all-in-one today with a link down below right yo then everyone let's talk about the big thing that is overclocking and as I say with the 7800x 3D you could turn on PBO but other than giving it more power it wasn't going to change things dramatically and the main reason for this was because you actually had the 3D vcash that was actually on top of the ccds on top of the D and this just limited what you could do with the frequency you probably noticed that the frequency of the chips were running lower than the other chips in the 7,000 range whereas with 9,000 this has been changed quite dramatically actually the 3D V cach is on the underneath and this is one of the things that makes it actually able to be overclocked essentially in a nutshell a lot more to it than that but yes these things are unlocked so if you go into the settings once you're in the Bios you can scroll all the way down to CPU core ratio and if you've been overclocking any CPU in the last 15 years you're probably familiar with this this is quite the old school way of doing it by default it's set to automatic but essentially you can sync up all of your caes looks so if you want to go for 5.5 GHz you can put in your 55 let the motherboard do the rest and hey Presto you've got a faster chip obviously there's a lot more to it than that because just putting in a faster speed it might work if you're overclocking it ever so slightly but as soon as you start needing to change around with voltage figures and things and you're kind of letting the motherboard decide for you so some boards might be better than others some s it puts in values that are too low too high and obviously it's all about system stability because the reason we have these chips that have all of these parameters by default is because AMD have done extensive testing they know the average of what these things can achieve and they want to make sure that everyone has something that's stable something that runs well but without leaving too much performance on the table and because different chips are going to vary because of the Silicon Lottery actually overclocking these chips means that you're going to get different results depending on the exact chip you put in your system if you tested 10 you might find that some can have extra frequency or some might need lower voltages but it's all a game essentially of having the CPU to run at the fastest possible speed with the lowest possible voltage so it remains completely stable but at the lowest possible temperature and as I've alluded to different motherboards are going to work in different ways they're certainly going to look different to this if you have like an MSI or a gigabyte board but the main thing really that you're going to want to do if you want to get the best performance Without Really changing too many things at all step one everyone really should be doing this and that's to enable your XMP or your Expo profile on your RAM because if you don't do this then your memory probably isn't going to be running at its full rated speed which is going to cost you quite a lot of performance but also then depending on the motherboard that you're using when you enable Expo and I'm fairly sure this is going on with this Asus x870 herob board it kind of does some enhancements and overclocking out of the box anyway cuz you've kind of said to it I want to overclock my system that's what overclocking the ram is right it's still overclocking and as I say it does some other enhancements as well but the main thing really and the easiest way to overclock your system is to go all the way down you find the setting called PBO or Precision boost overdrive and this is going to take the what's the word I'm looking for guard rails I almost said head rails and you want to take the guard rails off of your CPU and allow it to consume more power because in its default State this actually doesn't really use relatively speaking that much wattage especially wal gaming we found it was about 58 to 60 watts or so in returnal and this obviously means that the temperatures of the CPU are pretty low as well so in theory you should have some good head room for actually doing some overclocking and putting some more voltage in it but if you go into into PBO then this is pretty much going to do it all for you right and this is where we're going to start so we go over to Precision boost overdrive we'll literally leave everything else automatic other than having our Expo profile on and we will set this to enabled we'll then go and save and exit and then our PC should restart and then essentially we've done some overclocking don't worry we'll get more advanc throughout the video but I just want to show you how easy it could be and you can do this with any CPU to essentially get more performance out of it but how much performance we actually going to get just by turning this on remains to be seen the quickest and dirtiest way to actually test our system for stability is to just run cine bench at the maximum essentially you can leave it for 10 minutes or so but there's loads of different tools I'll leave a few linked down below and then obviously you need to actually monitor your clock speeds and you also need to monitor your temperatures and rather annoyingly core temp seems to be bugged with this particular CPU so we're using this for our thermals on our power and then I'm also using CPU Z to actually look at our clock speeds and voltages and things but as editor car will be screaming at me right now why didn't I just use Hardware infro that would have been so much easier it would have shown you everything all in one go so yes Hardware infro is probably the way to go but for now we're just going to open this up and we're going to see what this does and as you can see it is now sprung into life and we can start to get our initial readings and because this is going to run our CPU at Max we can get an idea of whether it's particularly stable again you need to do it for a lot longer than one test to know whether you're PC is stable but you will be able to see clock speeds and if there's like a big obvious issue with anything that you've done it should show up now so it's a good good place to start anyway and you can f tune later but with all of our temperatures and clock speeds and things you can see it's running at 5.2 GHz which is the same essentially as what it is in its default spec but it does seem to be using quite a lot more power actually it's now using 146 watt so the TDP of this is 120 but we've unlocked it essentially so it's now running at about 142 so we should be getting better performance just by enabling it to use more power but there's definitely more in the motherboard you can do but as I say this is a very quick and dirty way that literally anyone can do CU it's just hitting one switch and because we are running this still only around about 74° with this 360 rad you know you've got a decent amount of Headroom too but let's give this a restart though and show you how you can make that even better master that delete key to get into the BIOS head over to extreme tweaker back into Precision boost overdrive and the setting that I want to point out here because it's amazing it's the easiest way to overclock your system properly it is to go over to this one called CPU boost clock override not sure if this is going to be called something different on other boards but by default this is set to automatic so our CPU boost is 5250 on this particular chip but if you want to overclock it and get an even faster clock speed that's the word I'm looking for then you can go to enabled positive you can set this to enabled negative and it will run at a lower frequency if you wanted to do that for power reasons but for performance we want to set this to positive and then the only thing I don't like is that we have an absolute Max it seems of 200 which is 200 MHz 0.2 G GHz so it's decent but I think if you could set this to a higher limit that would be a lot easier my thinking is that maybe anything more than that the thing can become unstable but isn't that the point of overclocking but I have a feeling this should run stably without needing to do anything else so again that's just one setting that I've changed so what we've done is to increase the amount of power that's going into the chip we've unlocked it with PBO so that the voltage is going to change depending on what the CPU needs and obviously we've raised that ceiling so we have an extra 200 MHz of performance and this is what's going to make a difference hopefully to our games as long as it runs stably well we've made it into Windows which is always a good start before we do anything else again make sure you have your monitoring software up because especially if it's stable but it's just going to consume too much power you don't want to risk damaging your chip I mean in theory it should downclock itself but especially if you're messing about with manual settings you're quite literally taking some of these restrictions away potentially so always check what's going on with your chip CPU Z can now be opened once again car's going to moan at me but core temp is being opened again and then let's run our old friend cinebench but back into cinebench with our monitoring software we can obviously get this running and show you what it's all about we're using slightly more power actually now 154 Watts so an extra 10 just by making that change but interestingly enough our clock speeds haven't actually dramatically changed because this is all Dynamic while we've given it the option to go higher it doesn't necessarily mean that it will so at the moment it's what's that 5.25 so that's actually the same clock speeds this is why overclocking can be a bit confusing let's give this a restart and then go back into the BIOS and I'll do my best to explain essentially what's going on here cuz it is very difficult to get your head around this is unapologetically a novice video as I say this is the first ryzen chip I've properly overclocked because I want this to be relatable I mean there are loads of other overclocking guides out there that will be able to show you everything in intricate detail but if you're like me and you aren't a traditional overclocker when it comes to these ryzen CPUs I kind of wanted to make this more for you really but what's essentially happening is that what we've done is we've told chip well take the power limits away and if you want you can clock all the way up to this speed but the problem is that the CPU has set rules for how much voltages can be applied at different clock speeds and in the default settings clearly it doesn't want to use enough voltage to get to 5.4 GHz that could be wrong but that is my understanding so the way to get around this problem is to go back into the BIOS and then we find this setting back in PBO scroll all the way down to find this thing called Curve Optimizer this essentially changes how much power is required for a different clock speed okay so this is what is going to fix our system essentially I say fix it this is kind of where most of the overclocking actually comes in because remember overclocking is trial and error and so far we've kind of just taken the guard rails a little bit we haven't actually told it specifically that we want to overclock right so if we use this thing called Curve Optimizer we can set either a per core or all core overclock on the curve Optimizer so again do we want to change the rules for specific cores or do we want all of them to be in sync essentially we're going to say all cores cuz this is an eight core chip but especially if you had like a very large core cluster or something you might want to tweak this individually one of the benefits by having a higher end board especially like this Asus one is that it will give you a little bit more information about each core it kind of uses Ai and what everything uses AI now essentially it can look at your cooling look at your CPU and give you a little bit of advice for how each core performs different voltage suggestions things like that but you shouldn't necessarily need that as long as you've got these core settings quite literally you should be fine so the one I was playing around with earlier was a -20 so essentially this is saying you need less voltage to hit a certain clock speed 20 is a decent overclock but it's not anything particularly crazy but again you still might find you run into stability issues so if you're running an application and everything crashes you can't get into Windows any sort of problem that isn't what you'd call normal this will always be the thing you'd want to go back and reduce down essentially so bring nearer to the zero Mark in order to get your system more stable but I was playing around with this earlier and it seemed that -20 seemed to be quite a good little sweet spot so I will now save and exit remember at this stage that you might not even get into Windows if something isn't running properly or you might not even get into the boot loader if you've gone way too far so at this stage it's really important just to monitor everything you've now overclocked your system so expect potentially some instability if you surprised if you've got some University work or something now's not the time to do it well let's open up C bench again and and then we can start this test and we can have a look at the results so this is why I'm saying about core temp it wasn't working properly apparently running at 1.4 gz not not the case at all but then down the bottom we actually have our real results from CPU and as you can see we are actually running just under 5.4 GHz so bear in mind the default of this chip was 5.2 we've obviously increased the speed by a fair bit now no matter what chip that you go for obviously is not necessarily going to be night and day especially if you're already GPU bound at a game or something then it might help the 1% lows but this is never going to be like crazy differences right with an Ord chip I think you are going to see a decent difference but keep your expectations in check especially bear in mind that obviously if you run into any form of instability you do need to roll that back this is going to be a bit of trial and error but this is definitely going to be the easiest way to do it but I'm interested though what happens if we put in a minus 25 is this going to make any difference I mean actually yes it does look you can see our clock speed now climbing ever so slightly more I think the max we could get would be 5450 and at the moment we're getting around about 5410 so that is not bad is it I mean that definitely goes to show as I say that overclocking this if you're not going to do it full manually obviously can be pretty straightforward and fairly easy and we will need to do more stability tests but I think this is going to be quite a nice sweet spot here actually and we're still using about 150 WS of power or so so again for a 79800 x 3D bad habit for a 9800x 3D obviously that's a lot of juice but compared to anyone that's had like a I9 in the last few years this is still way less even an i5 unlocked there's still way less than you're going to get on those chips so anyone that's got a decent caller you're going to grab a 9800 x3d as long as you're okay with the risks of overclocking we can never recommend it to everyone but if you're happy with those risks especially when it comes to instability it's definitely worth having to go but should we jump into some games a lied I want to know what happens at minus 30 what happened to my voice then 30 I haven't tested this one so who knows but clock speed at 5. uh I knew it I knew itus 30 is no good of course it is definitely worth noting that just because my chip didn't work atus 30 it doesn't mean that yours won't but then also because mine did work at 20 25 yours might not even hit that we don't know but then there is also some other things you can do as well the main new thing really with 9000 is this thing that they're calling curve shaper so this just allows you to fine-tune it a little bit more so you might find that in certain applications like cin Bunch you're not going to get it stable but then it might be able to run fine for example in certain games it's almost a way of fine-tuning that so in certain loads you can have slightly different settings so that you have a system that's more stable across the board rather than having to have like different profiles for certain applications if you want to extract the most out of every single scenario but yes let's set this back to 25 and then fire up some games and actually the first game I want to start off with is going to be a bit of an interesting one because this is not your typical CPU test right because this is 4K ra TR racing Max which as we saw in our previous video If you haven't watched that by the way where we give you full benchmarks you can find that in the top right corner of your screen usually you want to turn the resolution down and settings down to low to expose all of the differences but my opinion has always been that overclock your CPU get a better CPU if you need it and if you're playing games that you don't need it because the settings you're using a GPU intensive save yourself some money but actually what we have here is a bottleneck or so it appears at least on the CPU even with these settings because our G utilization is around about 92 to 95% or so so it's nothing crazy but this is exactly the sort of game that I would probably do in overclock 4 because at the moment you're just kind of leaving a little bit of wasted potential essentially a little bit of FPS on the table when if you actually had a better CPU or you overclocked it then obviously you could increase that frame rate slightly I mean it's still not crazy I mean if you want even higher frame rates then you want to turn off the raate tracing entirely right except actually no not massively that's given us an extra 10 frames a second or so but as you can see that GPU utilization has actually dropped now I mean rate tracing a lot of people don't realize this but it is actually pretty intense on the CPU as well so I'm not surprised by these results but unless it is specifically a Dragon Age thing something to do with the engine maybe it does appear that even overclocking the mighty 9800 x3d as I say does leave a little bit of performance on the table but it does seem to be running quite well seems as if our frame view is bugged though which is not deal I mean it is fascinating though because turning this down to 1080p our framewor has actually gone up which we wouldn't usually expect really to see if it was just a CPU bottleneck we're at around about 170 FPS now but I mean our utilization on the GPU has dropped to about 77 80% so there definitely is a bottleneck and when we have a look at our CPU utilization you can see that's actually anywhere between 86% and around about 60 or so so our core utilization is pretty high across everything even without too much really going on in this game game so I definitely think this is one that is going to be CPU dependent and having a better chip will you better results I mean this is something we will properly test but certainly seems to be running quite stably doesn't it let's bring up the full stats though so you can actually see what's going on like we saw in cinebench still around about 5.4 GHz that's 5.42 actually in terms of power that is now a lot more I mean remember in returnal granted that's a different game but in returnal we were using about 60 wats so the fact we've jumped up to pretty much double around about 118 that is something to bear in mind will cost you more to Game On A overclock system and in terms of thermals we're looking at 69 nice degrees on the CPU I have actually set this to quiet mode now so make of that what you will pretty quiet though by far the easiest way to break this down for you is going to be with some proper head-to-head before and after overclocking benchmarks so I'll bring you those in just a second but before we get there I do want to show you the most CPU demanding game I think we have again High settings Ultra 4K with dlss Hogwarts Legacy cuz again this is another game well more so really than Dragon Age that actually leaves quite a lot on the table and as you can see even with this in its overclock State we're still getting stutters and we're still running this at around about 80 to 90 FPS you can use frame gen again that will sort of bring up the FPS but I kind of wanted this as an illustration that whilst you may well get better performance out of this I mean you should if you're overclocking it and obviously you're getting better stable clock speeds but it's still not necessarily going to be night and day and this is with an RTX 490 so if you upgrade to a 5090 then it's definitely going to be worth doing this if you're happy to obviously again take the stability risks and everything that comes associated with overclocking but I think there is going to be quite a big disparity between the amount of GPU power that you get with the amount of CPU power it's going to depend entirely on what you play but something like Hogwarts Legacy does illustrate that if you are running into a CPU bottleneck then just throwing in even more powerful graphics card isn't going to help you but we found the opposite problem with a lot of the tests when we did our full bench marking on this where most of the games were actually GPU bound so it's all about having a balance system really we've done so many videos if you actually want to see a really good balance system for this then I've already made this video you can find it in the top right corner of your screen but essentially don't overspend on the CPU maybe be considered doing things like overclocking to save yourself a bit of money and putting a lot of the money into the graphics card but yes get a balance system now let's move on to the bit that matters though as I say head-to-head before and after how much difference does this make let's hand you over to the one the only bench mark thank you for the kind words Mr PC Centric always appreciated but I have been doing a little bit more overclocking for you and actually have the hard numbers but I'm going to start off with some Call of Duty war zone and I will begin this by saying I did up a little bit apologies in the previous video there is a 250 FPS cap on by default so make sure you turn this off it's not going to affect your 4K gameplay it's not going to affect 1440p extreme particularly you are going to be going above 250 from time to time but you're still a blend really of GPU and CPU bound but what I really want to get into here with this cap disabled is the 1080p low numbers cuz this is really going to expose the differences and in something like Call of Duty you may well choose to play like this right I mean each their own and interestingly enough if you actually turn off all of the enhancements which essentially just disables the Boost clock then there's a massive difference we're talking what's this like 30 35 FPS or so so huge the CPU is now more power efficient so this is going to work better if you're in like an ITX rig or something like that but most people wouldn't use this I just wanted to kind of have this as a baseline stepping this up to the settings that you're much more likely to be using though which is Expo but all of the memory speed have been the same but none of the enhancements have been disabled and here you can see we're getting just under 300 FPS when things really start to get intense I mean it's going to vary if you want to play like I don't know in the goolag or something you can get close to 400 FPS at times it's pretty ridiculous but actually when you're in the city a lot buildings a lot of things for the CPU to do you're looking really anywhere between about 280 and maybe 305 f FPS so it it's quite a boost actually by turning the 250 FPS cap apologies for that one but good cuz I'm sure there are people watching this that didn't actually know about this either but is it going to make that much of a difference well in the test that I did no not really I mean we're going to start with the most positive one which was Dragon Age Vanguard it's actually Veil guard but you get the point we went from 174 all the way up to 180 which is a pretty decent Improvement and actually because this is a little bit more real world because as I say this is a game that's pretty intense on both the CPU and the CPU then this is good but when you look at the 1% lows they were all kind of within margin of error and because this isn't a built-in Benchmark there is a full chance that all of the FPS was essentially going to be the same anyway and it did only increase just because it was margin of error moving on to another brand new CPU dependent game we have some Planet coaster 2 I was expecting big things and we quite literally saw nothing this is still an engine thing clearly it's being weird didn't make a difference with any of our CPU configurations Shadow the Tomb Raider well I use this because it's boring but it is a very good indicator of the CPU performance and once again there weren't really any big differences I mean there definitely was because we were jupu bound to a lesser extent but again going from 353 to 357 is definitely margin of error but to be fair the 1% lows did pick up quite a lot in this game actually and this is kind of the point really that we're getting at here it's not necessarily going to help you a lot but because this is quite an easy thing to do unless you are afraid of overclocking then obviously you can get this performance without really doing anything I mean in cinebench we did actually see quite a decent Improvement across the board I mean I think it's quite obvious at this point the just turning on PBO alone doesn't really do anything with this particular chip it might matter in some of the others but here you do need to tune it up to actually get that extra performance but a decent bump but again it's not going to be night and day and then in terms of power thermals all of those things it didn't really change that much actually I mean I've added some base numbers that don't have any enhancements whatsoever so was running at that lower clock speed and this was quite a dramatic difference actually in terms of temperature that we saw and the power utilization but it was quite a lot less performance so I guess this makes sense but otherwise not like drastic differences really I mean Dragon Age actually surprised me because this was using quite a lot more power than we saw in our Eternal tests but again I guess this makes sense because it's utilizing more of the CPU it's pretty CPU dependent so obviously is going to use more power but certainly nothing to worry about across the board as long as you do have a decent cooler but yes I would have liked to see some more I mean I'll quickly show up some numbers that I saw J's 2 cents actually had cuz they were a lot more dramatic but obviously with those games and those settings it's not necessarily something that a real world user is going to see so it's good that the extra performance can be there but obviously bearing in mind that for real world use high settings High resolutions other than maybe some extra 1% lows it's not really going to make any noticeable difference but it's a free change that you can make so there you are then folks quick and dirty like my catching abilities obviously if you're going to overclock as I say it always comes with risks the main ones really are just system instability but especially if you're doing it fully manually the oldfashioned way then longevity of your Chip is going to be something to consider and obviously if you are putting more power into your CPU you can expect it to not last as long but every chip is different every Chip is going to give you different results if you need more performance and you're running a particular CPU intensive game it's definitely going to be worth doing but likewise if you're running a CPU intensive application it may be worth doing but remember that stability is going to be king and a lot of those applications especially if you're leaving it to run for several hours you don't want to run well you do want to run it you don't want to run the risk of having it like crash halfway so it's something to bear in mind but it is definitely worth playing around with if it is worth the risk to you but let me know your thoughts on this how did you find this was it useful are you like me quick and dirty or would you rather have listened to someone that has been doing this for years let me know down in the comment section below smash the like button if you've enjoyed this get yourself subscribes and of course if you do want to check out current pricing on anything featured in this video you can find this full build listed down below and while you're down there why not check out the awesome new MSI core liquid eye series these incredible Allin ones come in both 240 and 360 flavors in black or white and look simply Divine not only are they super quick and easy to install but thanks to the dual chamber pump design enhanced copper base larger micr Channel and ldb fan bearings you can pair this with a beastly CPU and still get awesome Cooling and acoustics learn more about this gorgeous new cooler today with a link down below but thank you guys so much for watching we'll catch you in the next oneladies and gentlemen unless you've been living under a rock chances are you've probably heard about this the new ryzen 7 9800 x3d it's reviewed incredibly well it's an awesome gaming CPU and as long as you do have a suitable graphics card to actually back this thing up you're going to love the performance and it is going to be excellent in your gaming PC but there's actually something that's changed under the hood that not a lot of people are probably talking about and that is overclocking because the old x3d chips were locked down they were restricted there wasn't actually too much you could do with them but the new one is fully unlocked so if you do want to get even more performance out of your chip then you can do it I think I smell an overclocking session everyone so join us as we show you hopefully how easy it is to overclock this and give you all the results and all the temperatures and everything you need to know we after a short word from this video sponsor msi's new core liquid ey series have arrived bringing awesome all-in-one calling to the masses thanks to the pre-installed fans just two cables to connect for the radiator block and a uni bracket for both AMD and Intel installation is a breeze the cooler looks awesome too with this eye-catching dual-sided infinity mirror and RGB fans glowing up your rig in addition to the awesome CPU calling performance learn more about this incredible all-in-one today with a link down below right yo then everyone let's talk about the big thing that is overclocking and as I say with the 7800x 3D you could turn on PBO but other than giving it more power it wasn't going to change things dramatically and the main reason for this was because you actually had the 3D vcash that was actually on top of the ccds on top of the D and this just limited what you could do with the frequency you probably noticed that the frequency of the chips were running lower than the other chips in the 7,000 range whereas with 9,000 this has been changed quite dramatically actually the 3D V cach is on the underneath and this is one of the things that makes it actually able to be overclocked essentially in a nutshell a lot more to it than that but yes these things are unlocked so if you go into the settings once you're in the Bios you can scroll all the way down to CPU core ratio and if you've been overclocking any CPU in the last 15 years you're probably familiar with this this is quite the old school way of doing it by default it's set to automatic but essentially you can sync up all of your caes looks so if you want to go for 5.5 GHz you can put in your 55 let the motherboard do the rest and hey Presto you've got a faster chip obviously there's a lot more to it than that because just putting in a faster speed it might work if you're overclocking it ever so slightly but as soon as you start needing to change around with voltage figures and things and you're kind of letting the motherboard decide for you so some boards might be better than others some s it puts in values that are too low too high and obviously it's all about system stability because the reason we have these chips that have all of these parameters by default is because AMD have done extensive testing they know the average of what these things can achieve and they want to make sure that everyone has something that's stable something that runs well but without leaving too much performance on the table and because different chips are going to vary because of the Silicon Lottery actually overclocking these chips means that you're going to get different results depending on the exact chip you put in your system if you tested 10 you might find that some can have extra frequency or some might need lower voltages but it's all a game essentially of having the CPU to run at the fastest possible speed with the lowest possible voltage so it remains completely stable but at the lowest possible temperature and as I've alluded to different motherboards are going to work in different ways they're certainly going to look different to this if you have like an MSI or a gigabyte board but the main thing really that you're going to want to do if you want to get the best performance Without Really changing too many things at all step one everyone really should be doing this and that's to enable your XMP or your Expo profile on your RAM because if you don't do this then your memory probably isn't going to be running at its full rated speed which is going to cost you quite a lot of performance but also then depending on the motherboard that you're using when you enable Expo and I'm fairly sure this is going on with this Asus x870 herob board it kind of does some enhancements and overclocking out of the box anyway cuz you've kind of said to it I want to overclock my system that's what overclocking the ram is right it's still overclocking and as I say it does some other enhancements as well but the main thing really and the easiest way to overclock your system is to go all the way down you find the setting called PBO or Precision boost overdrive and this is going to take the what's the word I'm looking for guard rails I almost said head rails and you want to take the guard rails off of your CPU and allow it to consume more power because in its default State this actually doesn't really use relatively speaking that much wattage especially wal gaming we found it was about 58 to 60 watts or so in returnal and this obviously means that the temperatures of the CPU are pretty low as well so in theory you should have some good head room for actually doing some overclocking and putting some more voltage in it but if you go into into PBO then this is pretty much going to do it all for you right and this is where we're going to start so we go over to Precision boost overdrive we'll literally leave everything else automatic other than having our Expo profile on and we will set this to enabled we'll then go and save and exit and then our PC should restart and then essentially we've done some overclocking don't worry we'll get more advanc throughout the video but I just want to show you how easy it could be and you can do this with any CPU to essentially get more performance out of it but how much performance we actually going to get just by turning this on remains to be seen the quickest and dirtiest way to actually test our system for stability is to just run cine bench at the maximum essentially you can leave it for 10 minutes or so but there's loads of different tools I'll leave a few linked down below and then obviously you need to actually monitor your clock speeds and you also need to monitor your temperatures and rather annoyingly core temp seems to be bugged with this particular CPU so we're using this for our thermals on our power and then I'm also using CPU Z to actually look at our clock speeds and voltages and things but as editor car will be screaming at me right now why didn't I just use Hardware infro that would have been so much easier it would have shown you everything all in one go so yes Hardware infro is probably the way to go but for now we're just going to open this up and we're going to see what this does and as you can see it is now sprung into life and we can start to get our initial readings and because this is going to run our CPU at Max we can get an idea of whether it's particularly stable again you need to do it for a lot longer than one test to know whether you're PC is stable but you will be able to see clock speeds and if there's like a big obvious issue with anything that you've done it should show up now so it's a good good place to start anyway and you can f tune later but with all of our temperatures and clock speeds and things you can see it's running at 5.2 GHz which is the same essentially as what it is in its default spec but it does seem to be using quite a lot more power actually it's now using 146 watt so the TDP of this is 120 but we've unlocked it essentially so it's now running at about 142 so we should be getting better performance just by enabling it to use more power but there's definitely more in the motherboard you can do but as I say this is a very quick and dirty way that literally anyone can do CU it's just hitting one switch and because we are running this still only around about 74° with this 360 rad you know you've got a decent amount of Headroom too but let's give this a restart though and show you how you can make that even better master that delete key to get into the BIOS head over to extreme tweaker back into Precision boost overdrive and the setting that I want to point out here because it's amazing it's the easiest way to overclock your system properly it is to go over to this one called CPU boost clock override not sure if this is going to be called something different on other boards but by default this is set to automatic so our CPU boost is 5250 on this particular chip but if you want to overclock it and get an even faster clock speed that's the word I'm looking for then you can go to enabled positive you can set this to enabled negative and it will run at a lower frequency if you wanted to do that for power reasons but for performance we want to set this to positive and then the only thing I don't like is that we have an absolute Max it seems of 200 which is 200 MHz 0.2 G GHz so it's decent but I think if you could set this to a higher limit that would be a lot easier my thinking is that maybe anything more than that the thing can become unstable but isn't that the point of overclocking but I have a feeling this should run stably without needing to do anything else so again that's just one setting that I've changed so what we've done is to increase the amount of power that's going into the chip we've unlocked it with PBO so that the voltage is going to change depending on what the CPU needs and obviously we've raised that ceiling so we have an extra 200 MHz of performance and this is what's going to make a difference hopefully to our games as long as it runs stably well we've made it into Windows which is always a good start before we do anything else again make sure you have your monitoring software up because especially if it's stable but it's just going to consume too much power you don't want to risk damaging your chip I mean in theory it should downclock itself but especially if you're messing about with manual settings you're quite literally taking some of these restrictions away potentially so always check what's going on with your chip CPU Z can now be opened once again car's going to moan at me but core temp is being opened again and then let's run our old friend cinebench but back into cinebench with our monitoring software we can obviously get this running and show you what it's all about we're using slightly more power actually now 154 Watts so an extra 10 just by making that change but interestingly enough our clock speeds haven't actually dramatically changed because this is all Dynamic while we've given it the option to go higher it doesn't necessarily mean that it will so at the moment it's what's that 5.25 so that's actually the same clock speeds this is why overclocking can be a bit confusing let's give this a restart and then go back into the BIOS and I'll do my best to explain essentially what's going on here cuz it is very difficult to get your head around this is unapologetically a novice video as I say this is the first ryzen chip I've properly overclocked because I want this to be relatable I mean there are loads of other overclocking guides out there that will be able to show you everything in intricate detail but if you're like me and you aren't a traditional overclocker when it comes to these ryzen CPUs I kind of wanted to make this more for you really but what's essentially happening is that what we've done is we've told chip well take the power limits away and if you want you can clock all the way up to this speed but the problem is that the CPU has set rules for how much voltages can be applied at different clock speeds and in the default settings clearly it doesn't want to use enough voltage to get to 5.4 GHz that could be wrong but that is my understanding so the way to get around this problem is to go back into the BIOS and then we find this setting back in PBO scroll all the way down to find this thing called Curve Optimizer this essentially changes how much power is required for a different clock speed okay so this is what is going to fix our system essentially I say fix it this is kind of where most of the overclocking actually comes in because remember overclocking is trial and error and so far we've kind of just taken the guard rails a little bit we haven't actually told it specifically that we want to overclock right so if we use this thing called Curve Optimizer we can set either a per core or all core overclock on the curve Optimizer so again do we want to change the rules for specific cores or do we want all of them to be in sync essentially we're going to say all cores cuz this is an eight core chip but especially if you had like a very large core cluster or something you might want to tweak this individually one of the benefits by having a higher end board especially like this Asus one is that it will give you a little bit more information about each core it kind of uses Ai and what everything uses AI now essentially it can look at your cooling look at your CPU and give you a little bit of advice for how each core performs different voltage suggestions things like that but you shouldn't necessarily need that as long as you've got these core settings quite literally you should be fine so the one I was playing around with earlier was a -20 so essentially this is saying you need less voltage to hit a certain clock speed 20 is a decent overclock but it's not anything particularly crazy but again you still might find you run into stability issues so if you're running an application and everything crashes you can't get into Windows any sort of problem that isn't what you'd call normal this will always be the thing you'd want to go back and reduce down essentially so bring nearer to the zero Mark in order to get your system more stable but I was playing around with this earlier and it seemed that -20 seemed to be quite a good little sweet spot so I will now save and exit remember at this stage that you might not even get into Windows if something isn't running properly or you might not even get into the boot loader if you've gone way too far so at this stage it's really important just to monitor everything you've now overclocked your system so expect potentially some instability if you surprised if you've got some University work or something now's not the time to do it well let's open up C bench again and and then we can start this test and we can have a look at the results so this is why I'm saying about core temp it wasn't working properly apparently running at 1.4 gz not not the case at all but then down the bottom we actually have our real results from CPU and as you can see we are actually running just under 5.4 GHz so bear in mind the default of this chip was 5.2 we've obviously increased the speed by a fair bit now no matter what chip that you go for obviously is not necessarily going to be night and day especially if you're already GPU bound at a game or something then it might help the 1% lows but this is never going to be like crazy differences right with an Ord chip I think you are going to see a decent difference but keep your expectations in check especially bear in mind that obviously if you run into any form of instability you do need to roll that back this is going to be a bit of trial and error but this is definitely going to be the easiest way to do it but I'm interested though what happens if we put in a minus 25 is this going to make any difference I mean actually yes it does look you can see our clock speed now climbing ever so slightly more I think the max we could get would be 5450 and at the moment we're getting around about 5410 so that is not bad is it I mean that definitely goes to show as I say that overclocking this if you're not going to do it full manually obviously can be pretty straightforward and fairly easy and we will need to do more stability tests but I think this is going to be quite a nice sweet spot here actually and we're still using about 150 WS of power or so so again for a 79800 x 3D bad habit for a 9800x 3D obviously that's a lot of juice but compared to anyone that's had like a I9 in the last few years this is still way less even an i5 unlocked there's still way less than you're going to get on those chips so anyone that's got a decent caller you're going to grab a 9800 x3d as long as you're okay with the risks of overclocking we can never recommend it to everyone but if you're happy with those risks especially when it comes to instability it's definitely worth having to go but should we jump into some games a lied I want to know what happens at minus 30 what happened to my voice then 30 I haven't tested this one so who knows but clock speed at 5. uh I knew it I knew itus 30 is no good of course it is definitely worth noting that just because my chip didn't work atus 30 it doesn't mean that yours won't but then also because mine did work at 20 25 yours might not even hit that we don't know but then there is also some other things you can do as well the main new thing really with 9000 is this thing that they're calling curve shaper so this just allows you to fine-tune it a little bit more so you might find that in certain applications like cin Bunch you're not going to get it stable but then it might be able to run fine for example in certain games it's almost a way of fine-tuning that so in certain loads you can have slightly different settings so that you have a system that's more stable across the board rather than having to have like different profiles for certain applications if you want to extract the most out of every single scenario but yes let's set this back to 25 and then fire up some games and actually the first game I want to start off with is going to be a bit of an interesting one because this is not your typical CPU test right because this is 4K ra TR racing Max which as we saw in our previous video If you haven't watched that by the way where we give you full benchmarks you can find that in the top right corner of your screen usually you want to turn the resolution down and settings down to low to expose all of the differences but my opinion has always been that overclock your CPU get a better CPU if you need it and if you're playing games that you don't need it because the settings you're using a GPU intensive save yourself some money but actually what we have here is a bottleneck or so it appears at least on the CPU even with these settings because our G utilization is around about 92 to 95% or so so it's nothing crazy but this is exactly the sort of game that I would probably do in overclock 4 because at the moment you're just kind of leaving a little bit of wasted potential essentially a little bit of FPS on the table when if you actually had a better CPU or you overclocked it then obviously you could increase that frame rate slightly I mean it's still not crazy I mean if you want even higher frame rates then you want to turn off the raate tracing entirely right except actually no not massively that's given us an extra 10 frames a second or so but as you can see that GPU utilization has actually dropped now I mean rate tracing a lot of people don't realize this but it is actually pretty intense on the CPU as well so I'm not surprised by these results but unless it is specifically a Dragon Age thing something to do with the engine maybe it does appear that even overclocking the mighty 9800 x3d as I say does leave a little bit of performance on the table but it does seem to be running quite well seems as if our frame view is bugged though which is not deal I mean it is fascinating though because turning this down to 1080p our framewor has actually gone up which we wouldn't usually expect really to see if it was just a CPU bottleneck we're at around about 170 FPS now but I mean our utilization on the GPU has dropped to about 77 80% so there definitely is a bottleneck and when we have a look at our CPU utilization you can see that's actually anywhere between 86% and around about 60 or so so our core utilization is pretty high across everything even without too much really going on in this game game so I definitely think this is one that is going to be CPU dependent and having a better chip will you better results I mean this is something we will properly test but certainly seems to be running quite stably doesn't it let's bring up the full stats though so you can actually see what's going on like we saw in cinebench still around about 5.4 GHz that's 5.42 actually in terms of power that is now a lot more I mean remember in returnal granted that's a different game but in returnal we were using about 60 wats so the fact we've jumped up to pretty much double around about 118 that is something to bear in mind will cost you more to Game On A overclock system and in terms of thermals we're looking at 69 nice degrees on the CPU I have actually set this to quiet mode now so make of that what you will pretty quiet though by far the easiest way to break this down for you is going to be with some proper head-to-head before and after overclocking benchmarks so I'll bring you those in just a second but before we get there I do want to show you the most CPU demanding game I think we have again High settings Ultra 4K with dlss Hogwarts Legacy cuz again this is another game well more so really than Dragon Age that actually leaves quite a lot on the table and as you can see even with this in its overclock State we're still getting stutters and we're still running this at around about 80 to 90 FPS you can use frame gen again that will sort of bring up the FPS but I kind of wanted this as an illustration that whilst you may well get better performance out of this I mean you should if you're overclocking it and obviously you're getting better stable clock speeds but it's still not necessarily going to be night and day and this is with an RTX 490 so if you upgrade to a 5090 then it's definitely going to be worth doing this if you're happy to obviously again take the stability risks and everything that comes associated with overclocking but I think there is going to be quite a big disparity between the amount of GPU power that you get with the amount of CPU power it's going to depend entirely on what you play but something like Hogwarts Legacy does illustrate that if you are running into a CPU bottleneck then just throwing in even more powerful graphics card isn't going to help you but we found the opposite problem with a lot of the tests when we did our full bench marking on this where most of the games were actually GPU bound so it's all about having a balance system really we've done so many videos if you actually want to see a really good balance system for this then I've already made this video you can find it in the top right corner of your screen but essentially don't overspend on the CPU maybe be considered doing things like overclocking to save yourself a bit of money and putting a lot of the money into the graphics card but yes get a balance system now let's move on to the bit that matters though as I say head-to-head before and after how much difference does this make let's hand you over to the one the only bench mark thank you for the kind words Mr PC Centric always appreciated but I have been doing a little bit more overclocking for you and actually have the hard numbers but I'm going to start off with some Call of Duty war zone and I will begin this by saying I did up a little bit apologies in the previous video there is a 250 FPS cap on by default so make sure you turn this off it's not going to affect your 4K gameplay it's not going to affect 1440p extreme particularly you are going to be going above 250 from time to time but you're still a blend really of GPU and CPU bound but what I really want to get into here with this cap disabled is the 1080p low numbers cuz this is really going to expose the differences and in something like Call of Duty you may well choose to play like this right I mean each their own and interestingly enough if you actually turn off all of the enhancements which essentially just disables the Boost clock then there's a massive difference we're talking what's this like 30 35 FPS or so so huge the CPU is now more power efficient so this is going to work better if you're in like an ITX rig or something like that but most people wouldn't use this I just wanted to kind of have this as a baseline stepping this up to the settings that you're much more likely to be using though which is Expo but all of the memory speed have been the same but none of the enhancements have been disabled and here you can see we're getting just under 300 FPS when things really start to get intense I mean it's going to vary if you want to play like I don't know in the goolag or something you can get close to 400 FPS at times it's pretty ridiculous but actually when you're in the city a lot buildings a lot of things for the CPU to do you're looking really anywhere between about 280 and maybe 305 f FPS so it it's quite a boost actually by turning the 250 FPS cap apologies for that one but good cuz I'm sure there are people watching this that didn't actually know about this either but is it going to make that much of a difference well in the test that I did no not really I mean we're going to start with the most positive one which was Dragon Age Vanguard it's actually Veil guard but you get the point we went from 174 all the way up to 180 which is a pretty decent Improvement and actually because this is a little bit more real world because as I say this is a game that's pretty intense on both the CPU and the CPU then this is good but when you look at the 1% lows they were all kind of within margin of error and because this isn't a built-in Benchmark there is a full chance that all of the FPS was essentially going to be the same anyway and it did only increase just because it was margin of error moving on to another brand new CPU dependent game we have some Planet coaster 2 I was expecting big things and we quite literally saw nothing this is still an engine thing clearly it's being weird didn't make a difference with any of our CPU configurations Shadow the Tomb Raider well I use this because it's boring but it is a very good indicator of the CPU performance and once again there weren't really any big differences I mean there definitely was because we were jupu bound to a lesser extent but again going from 353 to 357 is definitely margin of error but to be fair the 1% lows did pick up quite a lot in this game actually and this is kind of the point really that we're getting at here it's not necessarily going to help you a lot but because this is quite an easy thing to do unless you are afraid of overclocking then obviously you can get this performance without really doing anything I mean in cinebench we did actually see quite a decent Improvement across the board I mean I think it's quite obvious at this point the just turning on PBO alone doesn't really do anything with this particular chip it might matter in some of the others but here you do need to tune it up to actually get that extra performance but a decent bump but again it's not going to be night and day and then in terms of power thermals all of those things it didn't really change that much actually I mean I've added some base numbers that don't have any enhancements whatsoever so was running at that lower clock speed and this was quite a dramatic difference actually in terms of temperature that we saw and the power utilization but it was quite a lot less performance so I guess this makes sense but otherwise not like drastic differences really I mean Dragon Age actually surprised me because this was using quite a lot more power than we saw in our Eternal tests but again I guess this makes sense because it's utilizing more of the CPU it's pretty CPU dependent so obviously is going to use more power but certainly nothing to worry about across the board as long as you do have a decent cooler but yes I would have liked to see some more I mean I'll quickly show up some numbers that I saw J's 2 cents actually had cuz they were a lot more dramatic but obviously with those games and those settings it's not necessarily something that a real world user is going to see so it's good that the extra performance can be there but obviously bearing in mind that for real world use high settings High resolutions other than maybe some extra 1% lows it's not really going to make any noticeable difference but it's a free change that you can make so there you are then folks quick and dirty like my catching abilities obviously if you're going to overclock as I say it always comes with risks the main ones really are just system instability but especially if you're doing it fully manually the oldfashioned way then longevity of your Chip is going to be something to consider and obviously if you are putting more power into your CPU you can expect it to not last as long but every chip is different every Chip is going to give you different results if you need more performance and you're running a particular CPU intensive game it's definitely going to be worth doing but likewise if you're running a CPU intensive application it may be worth doing but remember that stability is going to be king and a lot of those applications especially if you're leaving it to run for several hours you don't want to run well you do want to run it you don't want to run the risk of having it like crash halfway so it's something to bear in mind but it is definitely worth playing around with if it is worth the risk to you but let me know your thoughts on this how did you find this was it useful are you like me quick and dirty or would you rather have listened to someone that has been doing this for years let me know down in the comment section below smash the like button if you've enjoyed this get yourself subscribes and of course if you do want to check out current pricing on anything featured in this video you can find this full build listed down below and while you're down there why not check out the awesome new MSI core liquid eye series these incredible Allin ones come in both 240 and 360 flavors in black or white and look simply Divine not only 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