Would A RYZEN Ai 9 365 Handheld Be Worth Buying Radeon 880M VS 780M

The Performance of Ryzen AI 9 and Z1 Extreme Handheld Gaming PCs

I've got a little bump in performance, it's not an extreme jump, but 8 FPS on an iGPU isn't anything to scoff at. That can definitely get you by, especially when playing games on a handheld device. I also ran the built-in Benchmark with Cyberpunk 2077 on low settings with FSR set to Performance, and the reason I test like this is because that's how I play these games on a handheld. You definitely have to bring everything down in order to make it playable.

One of the tests I ran was with Horizon Zero Dawn at Ultra settings, but only at 17 Watts TDP. This is not an extreme setting, and it shows just how much of a boost the Ryzen AI 9 can provide compared to the Z1 Extreme's GPU performance under similar conditions. The Z1 Extreme had an average of 55 FPS on the AI-9 365, while the same game only managed around 47 FPS on the Z1 Extreme.

The Ryzen AI 9 is not just fast in terms of raw processing power; it also excels when it comes to multi-threading and CPU performance. In comparison to the Z1 Extreme, the Ryzen AI 9 has a significant advantage in this regard, with a 14% increase in single-core performance and a 15% increase in multi-core performance.

Another test I ran was with Fallout 4 on medium settings at 1080p, side by side for comparison. This game is already relatively easy to run on the latest iGPUs, but even so, the Ryzen AI 9 manages to outperform the Z1 Extreme. The new chip holds above a 60 FPS mark consistently, while the Z1 Extreme dips below that average at times.

The most impressive gain I saw was with Quesar, which is an extremely demanding game for iGPUs. In this case, the Ryzen AI 9's performance is truly remarkable, with an average of around 76 FPS on medium settings at 1080p without FSR. This is a significant boost over the Z1 Extreme's performance in a similar setting.

When it comes to power consumption, the Ryzen AI 9 actually requires less power than the Z1 Extreme under certain conditions. I tested this by running Red Dead Redemption 2 at low settings on both devices, with a TDP of 25 Watts for each. In this case, the Ryzen AI 9 outperformed the Z1 Extreme, with an average of 42 FPS compared to the Z1 Extreme's average of 38.

Finally, I tested Shadow of the Tomb Raider using the built-in Benchmark at medium settings on both devices. Surprisingly, the Ryzen AI 9 outperformed the Z1 Extreme in this case, with an average of 43 FPS compared to the Z1 Extreme's average of 41.

In conclusion, my testing has shown that the Ryzen AI 9 is significantly faster than the Z1 Extreme in terms of both CPU and GPU performance. While the Z1 Extreme may have had a slight advantage at lower power consumption levels, the Ryzen AI 9 takes the lead when it comes to overall performance. If you're considering upgrading from an older handheld gaming PC, the Ryzen AI 9 is definitely worth looking into. However, if you already own a Z1 Extreme and are due for an upgrade, you may not see enough of an improvement to make it worth the investment.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwhat's going on everybody it's ETA Prime back here again ever since AMD released their new ryzen AI apus I've had a lot of people asking when are we going to see handhelds powered by new ryzen AI chips at the time of making this video no manufacturers officially announced a riseon AI powered handheld gaming PC but we can still kind of find out what kind of performance gains we'd see over something like the ryzen Z1 extreme and if in the end it would be worth kind of upgrading to that chip or waiting for something more powerful down the road probably a newer custom Apu like the ryzen Z2 extreme something along those lines and recently on the channel I've made a couple videos testing out the new ryzen ai9 HX 370 it's a really great Apu Zen 5 cores and we've got a new rtna 3.5 based igpu with 16 cus but the one that I think we may see first in a handheld is something like the ryzen ai9 365 this new chip is based on Zen 5 and we get 10 cores 20 threads a base clock of 2 GHz and a boost up to 5 GHz but when it comes to the igpu we get the new radon 880m it's based on rdna 3.5 it's got 12 cus and it will go all the way up to 2900 MZ now remember the 78m is basically the same igpu in the AMD ryzen Z1 extreme that also has 12 cus but it's based on rdna 3 so unfortunately there are no handhelds out just yet with the ryzen AI chip but we can test on a laptop given the same kind of tdps and things like that now with this we're not going to be taking a look at battery life we can kind of get an idea of what we would expect but really I wanted to check out wat forw performance to see what this thing can offer over something like the ryzen Z1 extreme or the 8840 U which we see in a lot of handhelds right now what I've got here is a ryzen ai9 365 with the new Radeon 88m graphics this has 24 4 gigs of RAM and I've dedicated 8 gigs to the igpu I'll definitely need a way to control TDP so for this I'm going to be using Universal x86 tuning utility and again I wanted to take this up against that Z1 extreme watt for Watt on the new Rog Alx our performance mode is 17 watt so that's what we're going to be testing at here and by the way I did try a bunch of different methods to disable cores and things like that because with this we've got a lot of cores when it comes to a handheld we really don't need this many but it doesn't seem to make a difference when I park those cores I've gone down to six down to four it looks like power management here is just really set up for this chip with all the cores enabled but so far with those New Zen 5 cores and the rdna 3.5i GPU here it does look like we get a nice little jump in performance over last generation zen4 architecture paired up with rdna 3 now the first thing I wanted to take a look at where's some benchmarks on this unit and I'm going flat out at 30 Watts with the Z1 extreme and the Ryon ai9 365 looks like we've got a pretty nice little jump in single and multicore over here on the AI 9 and I figured that would be the case with those Zen 5 cores single core on the new ryzen AI 9 2823 multi 13195 and this is really coming in because we've got 10 cores and 20 threads instead of eight cores and 16 threads on the Z1 extreme I also ran 3D Mark time spy at 30 Watts again on that AMD Z1 extreme total score here 3,480 on the ryzen ai9 365 3,602 and with all of these tests I'm using the Rog Alx we've got the same amount of RAM and the same Ram speed running at 7500 MHz moving into some gaming benchmarks Horizon zero Dawn both set at a 17 wat TDP 1080p medium with FSR set to Balan on the le- hand side we've got the Z1 extreme and the Rog Alx on the right hand side the new ryzen ai9 365 with the same exact settings in this game over on the ai9 with that new rdna 3.5 a8m igpu we gained 8 FPS over the Z1 extreme so it's definitely looking like at least with this game we've got a little bump in performance it's not an extreme jump but 8 FPS on an igpu isn't anything to scoff at that can definitely get you by I also ran the built-in Benchmark with cyberpunk 27 77 1080p low with FSR set to Performance and the reason I test like this is because this is how I play these games on a handheld we're working with a lowend igpu you definitely have to bring everything down I understand that people do want to see what this thing will do at Ultra you know versus each other but at a 17 wat TDP ultra settings with cyberpunk 2077 you're not going to have a playable experience at the end of this one on the Z1 extreme we had an average of 55 on the ai9 365 average of 63 and again an 8 FPS increase just like we had with Horizon zero Dawn but there are some games that do a lot better I've been testing some older stuff against the Z1 and this new ryzen AI here's Fallout 4 side by side triy to get kind of the same footage here it's almost impossible without a benchmark but it's obvious that that ai9 is coming ahead you can see over on the Z1 extreme we do dip under that 60 Mark medium settings 1080p over on the new ryzen AI chip it is holding above that 60 Mark I actually never saw it go under 60 so turning vsync on here really nice and it does kind of seem that this chip the way it is right now at 17 watts is performing like the Z1 extreme w at 19 to 20 watts but one of the most impressive gains that I saw was in qus of horizon 5 which is already an easier to run game that runs really well on these igpus with the correct settings we're at 1080p me medium with no FSR so we're at a true 1080P and over on that AI 9 we're seeing an average of around 76 at 17 Watts now I wanted to take the TDP up and test a couple games Red Dead Redemption 2 25 wat TDP low settings 1080p on the left hand side we've still got that Z1 extreme average of 38 and on the ai9 average of 42 and the final thing I tested at a 25 Wat DP was Shadow the Tomb Raider just using that built-in Benchmark 1080p medium settings at the end of this I was a little surprised because the ryzen Z1 extreme actually came ahead of the ryzen AI on the Z1 extreme average of 43 on the ai9 365 we had an average of 41 and to tell you the truth I mean once we get up to that 25 30 wat TDP during gaming the rdna 3 igpu and the Z1 extreme really does catch up with the new rdna 3 3.5i GPU in ryzen AI when it comes down to it through all of the testing that I've done the ryzen AI 9 365 is about 14% faster when it comes to single core CPU performance over that Z1 extreme 15% faster with multi-core performance and the GPU is about 133% faster than the Z1 extremes GPU but a lot of that igpu performance that we're seeing a gain on is in the lower tdps as it stands right now personally I don't think it would be worth it upgrading to something like this if a manufacturer did release a handheld gaming PC with that ryzen ai9 365 now it is a different story when it comes to that ryzen AI 9hx 370 we've got a much more powerful igpu over there but in order to keep the clocks up on that and keep all of those compute units happy it does need a little more power but that's going to wrap it up for this video really appreciate you watching I think this is one of the big reasons that Asus still went with that Z1 extreme in the Rog allyx I'm sure they did some testing behind the scenes to see if it would be worth the upgrade and in my opinion right now it definitely isn't now if we do see these ryzen AI handhelds hit the market and you don't already own something with the Z1 extreme then yeah I mean it would be a no-brainer you definitely go for something like that but if you were thinking about upgrading from the legion go the original Rog Ally or the Rog Ally X it's just not going to be worth it so that's going to wrap it up for this video really appreciate you watching if there's anything you want to see running on these new ryzen AI chips just let me know in the comments below like always thanks for watchingwhat's going on everybody it's ETA Prime back here again ever since AMD released their new ryzen AI apus I've had a lot of people asking when are we going to see handhelds powered by new ryzen AI chips at the time of making this video no manufacturers officially announced a riseon AI powered handheld gaming PC but we can still kind of find out what kind of performance gains we'd see over something like the ryzen Z1 extreme and if in the end it would be worth kind of upgrading to that chip or waiting for something more powerful down the road probably a newer custom Apu like the ryzen Z2 extreme something along those lines and recently on the channel I've made a couple videos testing out the new ryzen ai9 HX 370 it's a really great Apu Zen 5 cores and we've got a new rtna 3.5 based igpu with 16 cus but the one that I think we may see first in a handheld is something like the ryzen ai9 365 this new chip is based on Zen 5 and we get 10 cores 20 threads a base clock of 2 GHz and a boost up to 5 GHz but when it comes to the igpu we get the new radon 880m it's based on rdna 3.5 it's got 12 cus and it will go all the way up to 2900 MZ now remember the 78m is basically the same igpu in the AMD ryzen Z1 extreme that also has 12 cus but it's based on rdna 3 so unfortunately there are no handhelds out just yet with the ryzen AI chip but we can test on a laptop given the same kind of tdps and things like that now with this we're not going to be taking a look at battery life we can kind of get an idea of what we would expect but really I wanted to check out wat forw performance to see what this thing can offer over something like the ryzen Z1 extreme or the 8840 U which we see in a lot of handhelds right now what I've got here is a ryzen ai9 365 with the new Radeon 88m graphics this has 24 4 gigs of RAM and I've dedicated 8 gigs to the igpu I'll definitely need a way to control TDP so for this I'm going to be using Universal x86 tuning utility and again I wanted to take this up against that Z1 extreme watt for Watt on the new Rog Alx our performance mode is 17 watt so that's what we're going to be testing at here and by the way I did try a bunch of different methods to disable cores and things like that because with this we've got a lot of cores when it comes to a handheld we really don't need this many but it doesn't seem to make a difference when I park those cores I've gone down to six down to four it looks like power management here is just really set up for this chip with all the cores enabled but so far with those New Zen 5 cores and the rdna 3.5i GPU here it does look like we get a nice little jump in performance over last generation zen4 architecture paired up with rdna 3 now the first thing I wanted to take a look at where's some benchmarks on this unit and I'm going flat out at 30 Watts with the Z1 extreme and the Ryon ai9 365 looks like we've got a pretty nice little jump in single and multicore over here on the AI 9 and I figured that would be the case with those Zen 5 cores single core on the new ryzen AI 9 2823 multi 13195 and this is really coming in because we've got 10 cores and 20 threads instead of eight cores and 16 threads on the Z1 extreme I also ran 3D Mark time spy at 30 Watts again on that AMD Z1 extreme total score here 3,480 on the ryzen ai9 365 3,602 and with all of these tests I'm using the Rog Alx we've got the same amount of RAM and the same Ram speed running at 7500 MHz moving into some gaming benchmarks Horizon zero Dawn both set at a 17 wat TDP 1080p medium with FSR set to Balan on the le- hand side we've got the Z1 extreme and the Rog Alx on the right hand side the new ryzen ai9 365 with the same exact settings in this game over on the ai9 with that new rdna 3.5 a8m igpu we gained 8 FPS over the Z1 extreme so it's definitely looking like at least with this game we've got a little bump in performance it's not an extreme jump but 8 FPS on an igpu isn't anything to scoff at that can definitely get you by I also ran the built-in Benchmark with cyberpunk 27 77 1080p low with FSR set to Performance and the reason I test like this is because this is how I play these games on a handheld we're working with a lowend igpu you definitely have to bring everything down I understand that people do want to see what this thing will do at Ultra you know versus each other but at a 17 wat TDP ultra settings with cyberpunk 2077 you're not going to have a playable experience at the end of this one on the Z1 extreme we had an average of 55 on the ai9 365 average of 63 and again an 8 FPS increase just like we had with Horizon zero Dawn but there are some games that do a lot better I've been testing some older stuff against the Z1 and this new ryzen AI here's Fallout 4 side by side triy to get kind of the same footage here it's almost impossible without a benchmark but it's obvious that that ai9 is coming ahead you can see over on the Z1 extreme we do dip under that 60 Mark medium settings 1080p over on the new ryzen AI chip it is holding above that 60 Mark I actually never saw it go under 60 so turning vsync on here really nice and it does kind of seem that this chip the way it is right now at 17 watts is performing like the Z1 extreme w at 19 to 20 watts but one of the most impressive gains that I saw was in qus of horizon 5 which is already an easier to run game that runs really well on these igpus with the correct settings we're at 1080p me medium with no FSR so we're at a true 1080P and over on that AI 9 we're seeing an average of around 76 at 17 Watts now I wanted to take the TDP up and test a couple games Red Dead Redemption 2 25 wat TDP low settings 1080p on the left hand side we've still got that Z1 extreme average of 38 and on the ai9 average of 42 and the final thing I tested at a 25 Wat DP was Shadow the Tomb Raider just using that built-in Benchmark 1080p medium settings at the end of this I was a little surprised because the ryzen Z1 extreme actually came ahead of the ryzen AI on the Z1 extreme average of 43 on the ai9 365 we had an average of 41 and to tell you the truth I mean once we get up to that 25 30 wat TDP during gaming the rdna 3 igpu and the Z1 extreme really does catch up with the new rdna 3 3.5i GPU in ryzen AI when it comes down to it through all of the testing that I've done the ryzen AI 9 365 is about 14% faster when it comes to single core CPU performance over that Z1 extreme 15% faster with multi-core performance and the GPU is about 133% faster than the Z1 extremes GPU but a lot of that igpu performance that we're seeing a gain on is in the lower tdps as it stands right now personally I don't think it would be worth it upgrading to something like this if a manufacturer did release a handheld gaming PC with that ryzen ai9 365 now it is a different story when it comes to that ryzen AI 9hx 370 we've got a much more powerful igpu over there but in order to keep the clocks up on that and keep all of those compute units happy it does need a little more power but that's going to wrap it up for this video really appreciate you watching I think this is one of the big reasons that Asus still went with that Z1 extreme in the Rog allyx I'm sure they did some testing behind the scenes to see if it would be worth the upgrade and in my opinion right now it definitely isn't now if we do see these ryzen AI handhelds hit the market and you don't already own something with the Z1 extreme then yeah I mean it would be a no-brainer you definitely go for something like that but if you were thinking about upgrading from the legion go the original Rog Ally or the Rog Ally X it's just not going to be worth it so that's going to wrap it up for this video really appreciate you watching if there's anything you want to see running on these new ryzen AI chips just let me know in the comments below like always thanks for watching\n"