Testing AIIO Coolers Further

The question of how to test AIIO coolers further was raised by someone who had been working on some of that technology and wanted to know more about it. AO responded by explaining that AIIO coolers do take a bit longer to heat up than air coolers, due to the presence of coolant in the system. The coolant can take time to heat up, and its temperature may not be as consistent as that of a cold plate or other cooling solutions.

To answer this question, it's worth noting that AIIO coolers are designed to provide effective cooling for a wide range of temperatures. While they may not be as efficient at lower temperatures as some other cooling solutions, they can still provide excellent performance in many applications. However, the specific temperature requirements of an AIIO cooler will depend on the individual system and use case.

Endurance Testing

When it comes to testing coolers like AIIO, there are two main types of tests that are commonly used: endurance tests and short-term tests. The first type of test is an endurance test, which runs for 2 hours and simulates continuous operation with Metro Last Light on Loop. This test is designed to push the cooler to its limits and provide a comprehensive understanding of its performance over time.

The second type of test is a shorter test that runs for 25 minutes and has been found to be "perfect" for many AIIO coolers. This test is used to saturate the cooler and provide data on its performance under load. By comparing the results from these two tests, it's possible to gain a better understanding of how an AIIO cooler will perform in real-world applications.

Cable Degradation

When it comes to upgrading the audio interface of an older system like the Sound Blaster Autog 2ZS Platinum, there are a few things to consider. One of the most important factors is the type of cable used - poor-quality cables can introduce significant amounts of noise and degradation into the signal.

In general, it's unlikely that using a PCI Express X1 to dual PCI Riser will result in significant degradation of audio quality. However, if the cable is poorly insulated or introduces electromagnetic interference (EMI), it could potentially cause problems. It's also worth noting that some cables may be designed specifically for use with certain types of equipment - if you're looking to upgrade your Sound Blaster Autog 2ZS Platinum, it's a good idea to choose a high-quality cable that is compatible with your system.

Overall, the key to maintaining good audio quality when upgrading an older system like the Sound Blaster Autog 2ZS Platinum is to choose high-quality components and cables that are designed for use with digital equipment. By doing so, you can ensure that your system sounds its best and provides a great listening experience.

Lawn Hair

Finally, there was a question from someone who wanted to know how to get "lawn hair" like the sound engineer's. The response was straightforward - don't cut it! However, this conversation seemed to be an aside, as the main topic of discussion was AIIO coolers and upgrading the Sound Blaster Autog 2ZS Platinum.

In any case, if you're looking for advice on how to maintain your hair or achieve a specific look, I'd be happy to provide more information. However, in this context, it seems that the conversation took an unexpected turn - perhaps we'll explore lawn care or hairstyling in a future article?

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone welcome to another episode of ask GM today we've got some questions on process manufacturing process CPUs and their impact on 120 HZ 140 HZ displays when you're looking at FPS talking about be binning for CPUs and gpus stuff like that so as always questions below in the comments if you have questions we're joined obviously by senior AMD analyst snowflake uh so now would be a good time to post your questions relevant to that but questions below GPU other components all welcome cases CPUs all that stuff Ram uh this content is brought to you by iy power and their new element gaming PC with Arc LED fans underglow and a large tempered glass side window so first question zarar ofd I don't know how to say your name sorry asks what is the difference between 14 NM planner and 14 NM finfit to go into that in depth would would be a whole separate video but just to really briefly go over things the first part of that question 14 nanometers that is the size of the process so the manufacturing process basically the tools used to make the components uh make the all the stuff that goes into your CPU your GPU uh so when you're looking at 14 nanometer that's what that's referring to it's referring to how physically large the manufa the tools are that's what the nanometer number refers to size of the process and the next part planer versus fin Fett refers to sort of the the type of design for the gates and the transistors so when you're looking at fin Fett the the fin part you can think of it like a literal fin from an animal so uh the gates basically surrounding the gate there's a raised fin on the sides like that and we have images of them uh so a raised fin around the gate and that helps trap uh basically your power so there's less power leakage this way other benefits too but Power leakage is one of the big ones that AMD and Nvidia are harping on for this generation uh so that reduction of power leakage is because it is trapped by effectively a wall uh around the gates and that's something we talk about in the GP 100 architecture Deep dive if you're curious about that and that is in a video form as well next question I I know by the way that's super top level but I I hope that answers the basics of planer by the way all planer means is flat so just like planer and any other inance planer means flat uh versus finfet where it's kind of 3D not the same as a 3D transistor from Intel uh but we can use the words 3D and 2D to give a basic understanding the next question is from ik jadun who says can you talk about if it's true that 120 HZ and 144 Herz are actually CPU intensive that's uh it's kind of a vague question the the very basics of it by nature of drawing more frames you are going to be hitting the CPU more frequently every time the CPU gets hit or every every time a frame is drawn to the screen there's work done by the GPU and the CPU so the CPU has to do work on every single frame just like the GPU does and that's especially cool true if it's uh if it's something like dx11 or something openg GL or Draw calls are hitting the CPU more noticeably uh so in that instance the answer would be Yes 120 HZ and 144 htz in so far as drawing frames at that speed would actually certainly be more intensive when you're looking at games and that's that's true for CPU and GPU but CPU more probably than people think uh that's the top level next question very very simple from Teemo for Life says what's Bend I think we talked about Bend chips in the last episode someone asked about does Asus bend their stricks chips uh for use so the answer what's Bend bending is a process of selecting it's a selective process for going through the Silicon that's output from a factory uh given to manufacturers from the supplier so bending happens at a couple levels one is at the initial creation of the chip it's kind of tested and validated can this ship perform to spec does it have anything that needs to be disabled if there are things that need to be disabled you end up with stuff like the uh g3258 where the igp is disabled or the athon X4 Series where the Apu the graphics part of the Apu is disabled so those things come about as a result of failing validation or uh just needing to fill a gap in the market the other part of Bing is when you look at a manufacturer board partner in the case of gpus EVGA Asus MSI gigabyte all of them uh have more or less the same process so just choosing a high-end card like a cane pin or something of that nature that those kind of super high-end cards will be selectively chosen because the chip quality is not the same from product to product so if we have two 1080s I don't know what this is actually 1080 very convenient so if we have two 1080s from the same manufacturer the same Mak model say we have two of these exact cards they will not overclock the same and the chip quality will be different almost certainly between the two that's because there's imperfections in the manufacturing process like any other silicon is very uh very selective in its in its function uh so when you have differences in manufacturing process you have differences in overclock potential and things like that stability at different clock rates uh if there's failed validation then it might get down steps to a lower end product which we've seen in the past when you can kind of unlock a GPU from a low end GPU to a higher end GPU that's normally because something in there is not performing the spec of the high end uh so that's why that happens so binning is the process of selecting components by someone in the line selling it to you it's not something that a consumer does someone of the lines selling it to you is selecting components to perform based on a spec normally it's associated with highend meaning that they bend it to be a better overclocker next question is from Jordan cave Jordan says hi Steve my question is does water cooling reduce CPU or GPU power consumption for the same sustained clocks when compared to Standard air Cooling no uh so reducing your thermals all you it's it's still outputting the same amount of heat still drawing the same amount of power when you put a higher end cooler on a component like when we put liquid on these things actually right there there's there's your example so when we put liquid on one of these things the GPU is still drawing other than the added power for the pump which we can ignore the GPU itself is still drawing the same amount of power uh so it does not reduce power consumption does not reduce the Heat that the component is capable of generating but what changes is the dissipation ability of the cooler so with a better cooler on there because in this case we're using a copper cold plate very conductive it's about 400 wats per met Kelvin at 25 C copper cold plate sinks heat away from the GPU from the Silicon uh into a chamber through which liquid runs and dissipates it you know carries it up to the radiator and all that stuff that we've talked about before so the dissipation potential is far greater on one of these that means all that really all that means is that your GPU itself will perform at a lower temperature which does impact a lot it can impact life it can impact the uh overclock potential depending on how hot it's getting before the better cooler is applied and uh generally just changes kind of stability of the clock so if you look at clock rate versus time charts you'll see that the clock rate does dip a bit when it hits throttle points like 83 Celsius on the 1080 Sil so that's the main thing that that better coolers change as far as power consumption if you kind of build an all liquid system versus all Air let's just ignore the the power required for the fans and the pumps ignoring that the components will draw the same amount of power so uh that's that's more or less how it works there may be some efficiency differences in there but that's going to be really small so we'll ignore that next question is from Chris Sue who says oh this is a long question the short of it how long do you test your aios if GM does CPU cool or benchmarking we do we haven't done it in a while uh for publication but I'm actually working on some of that now so how do we test the all-in ones further says AO had yes so basically he's saying that aiio can take a bit longer to heat up than something like an air cooler which is true because you have the coolant in here as well uh so the the coolant does take time to heat up and it's not going to be the same temperature as the cold plat or anything they're all kind of different temperatures within a range of each other uh some cooler manufacturers have specs 40c 60c whatever they've got a specification where they won't allow their coolant to exceed that temperature uh or well I should say not won't allow because it could certainly happen if you really tried but within normal use scenarios they won't allow it to exceed a certain temperature uh that's for many reasons mostly longevity permeation of the tubes things like that evaporation but uh answering the question how long do we test them for cooler test we do two types of tests so uh when looking at most things like gpus CPUs whatever the first test is an endurance test that runs for 2 hours it runs with Metro last Light on Loop basically infinitely until we conclude the test it's all scripted uh starts and stops shuts down all its own starts all the loging on its own that 2hour period is looked at that generates the overtime charts temperature versus time temperature and frequency versus time of the CPU and the GPU it's all important metrics to know because if the cooler is not performing adequately you could be hitting thermal throttle points uh or your temperature could be varied enough that the CPU kind of freaks out and down clocks temporarily GPU also so that's part of it the second part is a shorter test runs 25 minutes we've found through a lot of testing over the last years 25 minutes is basically perfect for K cooler any uh GPU fan all that testing basically perfect it's enough time to saturate whatever whatever whatever the cooler is uh liquid or otherwise and from there we pull data averaged from a uh a point in the spreadsheet onward for the load and then from an earlier point to the beginning of the Tas for idle so that's the basics of it next question is uh icebergs hi J I have a sound blaster autog 2zs platinum on an 8320 AMS 9970 motherboard I use it every day and it's better than my onboard and he's saying I want to upgrade I still want to use the sound card the audio card The Sound Blaster audio card uh what can I do to keep it upgraded so uh icebergs here is looking at a PCI Express X1 to dual PCI Riser and asking if there's going to be degradation in audio quality generally no because the the sound card is not going to set saturate the throughput potential of that interface it's not fast enough uh if you buy a really crappy quality PCI Riser then you probably might have some loss but most that loss will be from poorly insulated cabling or something like that so just buy something that that's decent uh don't spend too little on it because you don't want to lose either lose performance through uh they wired it poorly and the electrical is bad and there's not enough throughput which I've seen or it's it's just again wired poorly or there's Emi or some kind of cross talk and so you're losing performance uh audibly just through introducing cross talk and basically static those are the only two things to look out for you won't need to worry about cable like a performance degradation over cable length if you're not running a really long cable uh anything within reason if it's if it's something you can fit in your case without winding the cable several times then you'll be fine so I wouldn't really worry about it uh so maybe if you did that for a video card then you can have some performance degradation if you're doing it for uh I mean even then even that we've shown like 1% difference in some cases you'd have to do it for like multiple SLI setup four-way SLI or something so I wouldn't worry about it but that's all for this video oh wait no we got one more last one was from himansu got guy conon oh parenthetically the Iron Man excellent okay so the Iron Man in parenthesis says hey gamer Nexus I guess I guess that's me uh how can I get lawn hair like yours don't cut it so that's all for this time patreon like the post Roll video subscribe for more content all that stuff leave your questions below uh open to everything for gpus CPUs cases all that stuff I'm only saying that because we've had several episodes of like GPU only so feel free to post about any components not just gpus but I'll see you all next timehey everyone welcome to another episode of ask GM today we've got some questions on process manufacturing process CPUs and their impact on 120 HZ 140 HZ displays when you're looking at FPS talking about be binning for CPUs and gpus stuff like that so as always questions below in the comments if you have questions we're joined obviously by senior AMD analyst snowflake uh so now would be a good time to post your questions relevant to that but questions below GPU other components all welcome cases CPUs all that stuff Ram uh this content is brought to you by iy power and their new element gaming PC with Arc LED fans underglow and a large tempered glass side window so first question zarar ofd I don't know how to say your name sorry asks what is the difference between 14 NM planner and 14 NM finfit to go into that in depth would would be a whole separate video but just to really briefly go over things the first part of that question 14 nanometers that is the size of the process so the manufacturing process basically the tools used to make the components uh make the all the stuff that goes into your CPU your GPU uh so when you're looking at 14 nanometer that's what that's referring to it's referring to how physically large the manufa the tools are that's what the nanometer number refers to size of the process and the next part planer versus fin Fett refers to sort of the the type of design for the gates and the transistors so when you're looking at fin Fett the the fin part you can think of it like a literal fin from an animal so uh the gates basically surrounding the gate there's a raised fin on the sides like that and we have images of them uh so a raised fin around the gate and that helps trap uh basically your power so there's less power leakage this way other benefits too but Power leakage is one of the big ones that AMD and Nvidia are harping on for this generation uh so that reduction of power leakage is because it is trapped by effectively a wall uh around the gates and that's something we talk about in the GP 100 architecture Deep dive if you're curious about that and that is in a video form as well next question I I know by the way that's super top level but I I hope that answers the basics of planer by the way all planer means is flat so just like planer and any other inance planer means flat uh versus finfet where it's kind of 3D not the same as a 3D transistor from Intel uh but we can use the words 3D and 2D to give a basic understanding the next question is from ik jadun who says can you talk about if it's true that 120 HZ and 144 Herz are actually CPU intensive that's uh it's kind of a vague question the the very basics of it by nature of drawing more frames you are going to be hitting the CPU more frequently every time the CPU gets hit or every every time a frame is drawn to the screen there's work done by the GPU and the CPU so the CPU has to do work on every single frame just like the GPU does and that's especially cool true if it's uh if it's something like dx11 or something openg GL or Draw calls are hitting the CPU more noticeably uh so in that instance the answer would be Yes 120 HZ and 144 htz in so far as drawing frames at that speed would actually certainly be more intensive when you're looking at games and that's that's true for CPU and GPU but CPU more probably than people think uh that's the top level next question very very simple from Teemo for Life says what's Bend I think we talked about Bend chips in the last episode someone asked about does Asus bend their stricks chips uh for use so the answer what's Bend bending is a process of selecting it's a selective process for going through the Silicon that's output from a factory uh given to manufacturers from the supplier so bending happens at a couple levels one is at the initial creation of the chip it's kind of tested and validated can this ship perform to spec does it have anything that needs to be disabled if there are things that need to be disabled you end up with stuff like the uh g3258 where the igp is disabled or the athon X4 Series where the Apu the graphics part of the Apu is disabled so those things come about as a result of failing validation or uh just needing to fill a gap in the market the other part of Bing is when you look at a manufacturer board partner in the case of gpus EVGA Asus MSI gigabyte all of them uh have more or less the same process so just choosing a high-end card like a cane pin or something of that nature that those kind of super high-end cards will be selectively chosen because the chip quality is not the same from product to product so if we have two 1080s I don't know what this is actually 1080 very convenient so if we have two 1080s from the same manufacturer the same Mak model say we have two of these exact cards they will not overclock the same and the chip quality will be different almost certainly between the two that's because there's imperfections in the manufacturing process like any other silicon is very uh very selective in its in its function uh so when you have differences in manufacturing process you have differences in overclock potential and things like that stability at different clock rates uh if there's failed validation then it might get down steps to a lower end product which we've seen in the past when you can kind of unlock a GPU from a low end GPU to a higher end GPU that's normally because something in there is not performing the spec of the high end uh so that's why that happens so binning is the process of selecting components by someone in the line selling it to you it's not something that a consumer does someone of the lines selling it to you is selecting components to perform based on a spec normally it's associated with highend meaning that they bend it to be a better overclocker next question is from Jordan cave Jordan says hi Steve my question is does water cooling reduce CPU or GPU power consumption for the same sustained clocks when compared to Standard air Cooling no uh so reducing your thermals all you it's it's still outputting the same amount of heat still drawing the same amount of power when you put a higher end cooler on a component like when we put liquid on these things actually right there there's there's your example so when we put liquid on one of these things the GPU is still drawing other than the added power for the pump which we can ignore the GPU itself is still drawing the same amount of power uh so it does not reduce power consumption does not reduce the Heat that the component is capable of generating but what changes is the dissipation ability of the cooler so with a better cooler on there because in this case we're using a copper cold plate very conductive it's about 400 wats per met Kelvin at 25 C copper cold plate sinks heat away from the GPU from the Silicon uh into a chamber through which liquid runs and dissipates it you know carries it up to the radiator and all that stuff that we've talked about before so the dissipation potential is far greater on one of these that means all that really all that means is that your GPU itself will perform at a lower temperature which does impact a lot it can impact life it can impact the uh overclock potential depending on how hot it's getting before the better cooler is applied and uh generally just changes kind of stability of the clock so if you look at clock rate versus time charts you'll see that the clock rate does dip a bit when it hits throttle points like 83 Celsius on the 1080 Sil so that's the main thing that that better coolers change as far as power consumption if you kind of build an all liquid system versus all Air let's just ignore the the power required for the fans and the pumps ignoring that the components will draw the same amount of power so uh that's that's more or less how it works there may be some efficiency differences in there but that's going to be really small so we'll ignore that next question is from Chris Sue who says oh this is a long question the short of it how long do you test your aios if GM does CPU cool or benchmarking we do we haven't done it in a while uh for publication but I'm actually working on some of that now so how do we test the all-in ones further says AO had yes so basically he's saying that aiio can take a bit longer to heat up than something like an air cooler which is true because you have the coolant in here as well uh so the the coolant does take time to heat up and it's not going to be the same temperature as the cold plat or anything they're all kind of different temperatures within a range of each other uh some cooler manufacturers have specs 40c 60c whatever they've got a specification where they won't allow their coolant to exceed that temperature uh or well I should say not won't allow because it could certainly happen if you really tried but within normal use scenarios they won't allow it to exceed a certain temperature uh that's for many reasons mostly longevity permeation of the tubes things like that evaporation but uh answering the question how long do we test them for cooler test we do two types of tests so uh when looking at most things like gpus CPUs whatever the first test is an endurance test that runs for 2 hours it runs with Metro last Light on Loop basically infinitely until we conclude the test it's all scripted uh starts and stops shuts down all its own starts all the loging on its own that 2hour period is looked at that generates the overtime charts temperature versus time temperature and frequency versus time of the CPU and the GPU it's all important metrics to know because if the cooler is not performing adequately you could be hitting thermal throttle points uh or your temperature could be varied enough that the CPU kind of freaks out and down clocks temporarily GPU also so that's part of it the second part is a shorter test runs 25 minutes we've found through a lot of testing over the last years 25 minutes is basically perfect for K cooler any uh GPU fan all that testing basically perfect it's enough time to saturate whatever whatever whatever the cooler is uh liquid or otherwise and from there we pull data averaged from a uh a point in the spreadsheet onward for the load and then from an earlier point to the beginning of the Tas for idle so that's the basics of it next question is uh icebergs hi J I have a sound blaster autog 2zs platinum on an 8320 AMS 9970 motherboard I use it every day and it's better than my onboard and he's saying I want to upgrade I still want to use the sound card the audio card The Sound Blaster audio card uh what can I do to keep it upgraded so uh icebergs here is looking at a PCI Express X1 to dual PCI Riser and asking if there's going to be degradation in audio quality generally no because the the sound card is not going to set saturate the throughput potential of that interface it's not fast enough uh if you buy a really crappy quality PCI Riser then you probably might have some loss but most that loss will be from poorly insulated cabling or something like that so just buy something that that's decent uh don't spend too little on it because you don't want to lose either lose performance through uh they wired it poorly and the electrical is bad and there's not enough throughput which I've seen or it's it's just again wired poorly or there's Emi or some kind of cross talk and so you're losing performance uh audibly just through introducing cross talk and basically static those are the only two things to look out for you won't need to worry about cable like a performance degradation over cable length if you're not running a really long cable uh anything within reason if it's if it's something you can fit in your case without winding the cable several times then you'll be fine so I wouldn't really worry about it uh so maybe if you did that for a video card then you can have some performance degradation if you're doing it for uh I mean even then even that we've shown like 1% difference in some cases you'd have to do it for like multiple SLI setup four-way SLI or something so I wouldn't worry about it but that's all for this video oh wait no we got one more last one was from himansu got guy conon oh parenthetically the Iron Man excellent okay so the Iron Man in parenthesis says hey gamer Nexus I guess I guess that's me uh how can I get lawn hair like yours don't cut it so that's all for this time patreon like the post Roll video subscribe for more content all that stuff leave your questions below uh open to everything for gpus CPUs cases all that stuff I'm only saying that because we've had several episodes of like GPU only so feel free to post about any components not just gpus but I'll see you all next time\n"