Is it 'The ONE'...! (3950X & Zen 2 Discussion Ft. Wendell)

Gaming Horizon Event Coverage: The Verdict is Out, But We're Still Waiting for Answers

Coming out of any competition anyway guys that about wraps up our coverage here at the gaming horizon I didn't even know which way it goes next gaming horizon I'll say one other thing they snuck a seven in the put in a Z to be like seven enemy just cuz it was like gold and silver what weird but the the display that they had is solocom past you can't really tell but now he was the only other thing there's gonna be a lot of people are disappointed that there's not an answer for the 28th epi but listen the middle of the market is important like the Polaris was insanely profitable for handy insanely profitable and Navi as the next Polaris looking pretty good but we gotta get that on the benchmarks yeah definitely have to get that on the bench on the on the bench table and stop benchmarking it for the 2080 TR but most people are not buying 2018 well the whole thing I was told was they developed that with mark soft as well now the main purpose of Navi now is this revealed was the next-gen consoles that was the main purpose of Navi and so what we're getting on the desktop is sort of like the augmented benefits from that console Rd and so whether we'll see a big navvy I mean hopefully we'll yeah who knows when the consoles came first and that's the production of the console so look at it we have no idea but yeah I'm looking forward to testing it out I mean it's not like going to be groundbreaking like the Rison 3000 is but at the same time it's still good to have that option there now it's something that can compete with the RT X 2016 2017 so that's what we're looking at and also let us know guys what you think of the new rise in 3,000 products stack here what is your favorite CPU coming into the event what is your favorite CPU coming out of the event I'm gonna ask wonder what's his favorite SKU of the stack I think my favorite for everybody but for my audience probably straws in five the six core rise in five maybe XO not X X and but the 3,700 X that's probably the best value for horsepower but if you just want a powerful machine that's basically future proof for the next three years probably rising five yeah doesn't mean I mean 6 cores 12 threads are still relevant for practically everyone that's just playing games and doing a little bit of this and that I just think you know you always love to get that cookie cutter value money value for money build and I think 16 gigabytes ddr4 a core 16 threads before 50 is going to be whereas 65 watts can be super quiet well you're gonna have that really good cooler that you will be able to overclock that 3700 X on and get pretty much the same results as the 399 CPU 3800 X so that's why I'm calling that one is my favorite I also going in what do you think with the two-month delay on the 39 50x before we get on out of here I thought that was like no one expected that no one called that I thought the delay was gonna be longer it's answer is yeah I mean it's probably fine that that explains the thread Ripper roadmap thing too I think so yeah they get people ready for thread Ripper and then ya got a teaser there if you want more cause more threads than you can still go up again hey you just bought a 12-point lead who said the thread represent ly not dead but 116 cores it looks like well maybe 16 cores is the entry level do you think maybe they just given the real hardcore enthusiasts a bit of a stepping stone by the 12 core then by the 16 core then by the 64 core yeah so it's sort of exponentially because the people that really need thread Ripper are gonna have a lot of peripherals and a lot of other stuff but you know for even for video capture having that PCI Express 4 link to the chipset that helps a lot with video capture - I know you're into all your inner extracting all those extra nitty gritties out of the I mean all the proof meet the periphery those extra lanes and everything some of the stuff that Wendell does is absolutely amazing guys so big thanks for him featuring on this video and also check his channel out level 1 text links in description below thanks for having me it's all good and if you have any questions for Wendell drop a question in the comment section below or also let us know guys in the comment section below what is your favorite rise and cpu coming out of this love or any thoughts and opinions as always you wanna do this is tech yes city peace out for now bye peace out for now

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enso here we are at e3 and AMD's new gaming horizon event I'm joined by Wendell how you doing good I've got the pink bracelet for sale you know I'm legit I go you're legit - yeah I got the pink bracelet flamboyant color and speaking of these CPUs we got the 39 50 X which was announced today $749 price tag I can't help but notice 1950 2950 3950 oh they've changed the socket oh no what does that mean that I want I want the more PCIe lanes what's what's happening 16 cores on the main stream well is actually a story behind that they told me that the lower court count thread ripper chips didn't sell at all yeah so I know surprises there so that's why I think their reasoning but also with that you think the next-gen of thread ripper chips that are coming in will be at least twenty four core so I mean that it's got to be now they've really upped the core count all around but coming into this I think right the main focus was with their risings n2 was gaming which they labeled out five new SKUs and added on the 3950 x but they quietly added in the 3,200 G in the 3400 G did you notice that those actually are really good I think that they're excited for those because those sell a lot and when I say those sell a lot those sell a lot like a lot and those are going to sell even more now the 3400 G and thirty thousand three horizon five plus Vega those are Zen plus those are nuts into no 7 nanometre but you get the performance pump and it's soldered the rods in fives that's right yeah no more overclock the fork or a threaded soldered yes so that was that was interesting to see and they litter cooler they did yeah they put the spire on that too now speaking of the coolers the risin 5 3600 gets a stealth yes and then the X gets a Spile yeah and then all the SKUs above that get the Wraith max for some prism yeah so they get the RGB bullets so that's I predicted at Computex I was calling the 3,700 X to be my favorite now that adds even more value that it gets that best stack cooler on it 329 and the overclocked ability eight calls 16 threads again and you can cover with a beat for 52 it's 65 watts but let's face it it's not really gonna be 65 watts when you overclock the bejesus out of here which everyone is going to do because it's the sweet spot so coming out of today I still think that's my favorite play going into the news into you guys cool 16 threads you going to have that good price point 329 plus the good cooler now and the ability to put it on a be 450 even a be 350 though a telling me I think that people that are excited about computing like I'm getting a computer I'm really excited yeah risin 7 but risin 5 the six core yeah and rising plus Vega I think those are the ones that are going to make just a scandalous amount of money for AMD is so good I think the rise in five years thirty six hundred is definitely gonna be good 199 plus 7 nanometre one thing I'm very curious about still though we have to put them on the test ban here's the all core overclocked yes a bit on august and i was there talking about the topology the windows scheduler now that's they've said it's been heavily updated in 1903 yep now I tested 1885 with a thread Ripper and there was a performance uplift there and so somebody from Microsoft reached out to me and I tried it and I was real salty but this thread Ripper was not fixed the 2990 was not fixed but 7-zip in some other had a six to nine percent performance improvement and that was because of the scheduler face I should have dug deeper I didn't realize but you need the chipset driver in addition and that scheduler fix is gonna rise the boat of all's ends so no matter what sin you have it's gonna get better that's really like that's gonna four cores in in which case I'm sorry yeah well I was hoping for that like I was hoping like look marks off really need to work with AMD to get that schedule it is and they did yeah that was a good thing coming out of this news that we got here now I will concede that my fix for the twenty nine ninety is going to affect a much smaller number of people than the patch in 1903 affects the patch in 1903 affects every Zen user except for the people that'd be good I mean I'm very curious to see those old core boosts as I said before that's the biggest thing for me coming out the single core boost I mean four point seven gigahertz on the 3950 axe versus the 3.5 gigahertz old core base yeah that's that's that's a big discrepancy of 1.2 gigahertz yeah it's uh it's a well I mean I think it's down to the wattage though so if I throw a giant closed-loop cooler on there and dump 300 watts into the CPU can I get that all core it's not gonna be a thing and well this is the thing to with a single cores is it going to be like is that 4.7 Giga that's gonna be that momentarily you know boost that even if you got an old core of 4.4 for instance so I'm thinking is they're gonna be faster on the single-threaded speeds I'm thinking about the 2700 X and the 29 9 yeah so the 2700 X there's not really any additional overclocking you beyond PBO like I couldn't like feet of a good board that unlocks PBO and XFR it's basically fine but the 2990 that CPU is breathtaking when you let it stretch its legs by using like 350 watts yeah breathtaking 32 cores if you let it over qua you can also see a power meter go up I don't care about that I kind of do but that's no it's good to see that you got the 16 core though the mainstream I think at $749 I'm moving in yeah how many mainstream gamers are going to want to adopt them I mean that's a lot of cause like papers games and so though pitching it as the foot world's first gaming CPU so I was a little bit skeptical of it I think the 12 core is going to be more practical since it has the same amount of level 3 ash so it's a it's a slightly less because you get less on because you got less cores but that doesn't really matter for people that are streaming on super intense gamers that you got a lot of background processes the 12 core is gonna win because you got the split cache so yeah no two groups of 16 Meg plus the l1 I mean l2 so you've got a lot of cache therefore background processes one of the one of the places where Intel struggles is when you've got like if you're running 7-zip like I'm gonna recompress my movies and run handbrake or something and then you want to go play a game most systems can't balance that workload really well but that's actually something Rises and balances really well because the cache is split yeah well I mean that the system they've really worked on it this time I've noticed they've really been talking about how they've redesigned the cause and I mean to be clear you know don't pretty order we need to actually test everything and you know certainly amy is gonna put their best foot forward in terms of the demos we didn't gonna go hands-on with a lot of stuff which is cool at least I got to play with some stuff and you got to play with some stuff and it's not like super hands-on because it's like I wanted on a test bench it's just here's some systems you can actually see and touch well that's um I'm going into this like I think the 12 and 16 cause I mean 749 bucks it's a lot of money for a cou and that's when you start to get into that you realize okay the value is there if you can utilize the 16 question how many people are actually going to utilize that many cores so that's why I'm saying the eight core the 329 plus having 7 nanometre all the new updates I think that's going to be the best play going in okay I'm thinking about like in 329 and like the tomahawk be 450 and it's like yes not bad so that's what really I really like you do lose bc IE 4.0 though going with the be 450 bit yeah that's right the only demo they realistically showed we're PCIe gen for made a difference was that 8k perez i mean guys if you're editing on a caper res you know i don't know that an SSD was really tempting yeah again what five gigabytes a second but again that's like geared towards a person who's got a lot of money if they've got an 8k read you can get some of the cheaper like two terabyte in VMI's for like 150 bucks and they're not the fastest but two terabytes but they still work on PCIe gems there are only Gen 3 I'm not Gen 4 so on that be 450 works great yeah so that's what I made like you really sort of got the feature set there that's geared up towards much more expensive equipment but how many people are going to want to adopt that is it a little bit too much too soon but I know they want to put their best foot forward I know they're doing a great job but we still got to test all this stuff out in the real world strike while the iron's hot or in this case while Intel is fumbling and stumbling I mean coming at it coming out of Columbia checked aim day really put the foot forward had a blast and then Intel didn't really have a response no they're good ok yes that's going to be 95 watts and 5 gigahertz all cores and so they didn't they didn't have 10th gen desktop so sarcastically well that's well I mean they didn't have the 10th Jen Jess top CPUs they announced their laptops I was like people were like where's the desktop CDs where's the Cap'n what we heard from the engineers at the Andy thing and it was like look we expect we expected to the 7 nanometer process to be a regression until like the material scientists around the world are going to be like for this lithography process the r-value the resistance value of the wires in silicon is going to increase the higher clocks is going to be really hard and so Intel has addressed that with like the IPC uplift they were like ok look we're Intel we can't get the clocks as high on air 10 nanometer process is 14 nanometers this is the problem everybody's going to have because it's a material science problem so we don't need to worry about this because it's a material science problem and then TSMC is like and now everything is like you know five gigahertz that's pretty good I mean like that's going funky but do you think AMD like they said they took risks and I think that's what they were talking about when they heard they were taking risk they didn't know 707 nanometer would turn out and so when they said we were taking risks I kind of automatically thought yeah you kind of got lucky that seven nine I mean it was able to go higher than 14 nanometer even on their own CPU architectures so I've always said there's this relationship between cache and clock speed and it's a little weird with AMD because their l3 is a victim cache which is not the best kind of cache but it's pretty straightforward to implement and they've done some stuff to make it not as terrible as just a vanilla victim cache but I think they were probably planning in their architecture for the massive massive l3 increase as a way to offset the lack of being able to do the claws but TSMC gave them a way to be able to do the claws so they got the processed shrink which should have taken away clocks but they were able to claw back the clocks but they've got the in largest cache and all of the other technology that they plan to do to offset the loss in clock speed the IPC uplift because Intel that's what they did there 18 percent yeah but they didn't Intel didn't manage to claw the clocks back well you got plus you got their clock speeds on 14 down there already like right up there doesn't get it doesn't get any higher than that I think seven nanometer plus two is gonna have a little bit more Headroom than most people expect because tsmc seems to be on the ball here with the material science actually that's very true so I think I think though we are seeing kind of it's great because we've got this time around with the 3000 we've got a tick and a talk in one and I think that's the that's why I'm excited yeah because I think it's for a long time we've been getting fed tick tick tock I need a tick tick tock tick tick tock and it's yeah now we're getting with 3000 like the both at the same time and that's why people are just so excited you got the tick in the talk right at the same time I'm kind of like thinking this will be one of the best Jen in recent times full game is for content created for everyone really you know in my mythological parallel universe AMD and Samsung also become best buds from working on the mobile stuff the Samsung is got these really cool fabs too and so maybe we can see some cool AMD Samsung collaborations in the future with Samsung's material science and then at that point basically the world versus Intel so mmm maybe bad might be a bad thing might be a good thing is then they get this shaft into gear and start giving I see what you did there samsung gear yeah and then they can start giving us some game and that's what it's all about I said in my previous video if you guys haven't seen that one for the GPUs then today's competition when AMD push hard we want to see Intel push harder back so we get better value but it seems like Intel won't have an answer for rising 3000 for quite some time yet if the 9900 KS is the best they got I got problems put it that way you got a 12 core coming out same price and it's got better IPC a pattern it's gonna have even better IPC than Intel's you know I bought a 70 900 X for $1000 and that was a terrible investment let CPU has not held its value at all as $1,000 and like the 99 K was 500 and that came out like a year later and that outperforms that's 1/10 or but the 8-quart outperforms the Tim core by a lot so I'm just wondering well how much could I buy it off you fit look $300 ideal I've done it will be loaded a little scratching them don't mind don't mind but we've also got a main men's Wendell go way back when we talking about the old-school Zeon's the value they possess yeah the 1365 so we're gonna first introduced another thing too is we're gonna see the rise in 3000 series will bring down whole use prices and so I'm looking forward to giving you guys some rise and deal hunting those whatever those i7 2670 worth about three dollars and fifty cents yeah that's the beauty of it all so we're going to see everyone wins out of this new risin 3000 and iseman people who want the best price points men people who want value for money when people who won't use price performance everybody wins so that's just the awesome thing coming out of any competition anyway guys that about wraps up our coverage here at the gaming next horizon I didn't even know which way it goes next gaming horizon I'll say one other thing they snuck a seven in the put in a Z to be like seven enemy just cuz it was like gold and silver what weird but the the display that they had is solocom past you can't really tell but now he was the only other thing there's gonna be a lot of people are disappointed that there's not an answer for the 28th epi but listen the middle of the market is important like the Polaris was insanely profitable for handy insanely profitable and Navi as the next Polaris looking pretty good but we gotta get that on the benchmarks yeah definitely have to get that on the bench on the on the bench table and stop benchmarking it for the 2080 TR but most people are not buying 2018 well the whole thing I was told was they developed that with mark soft as well now the main purpose of Navi now is this revealed was the next-gen consoles that was the main purpose of Navi and so what we're getting on the desktop is sort of like the augmented benefits from that console Rd and so whether we'll see a big navvy I mean hopefully we'll yeah who knows when the consoles came first and that's the production of the console so look at it we have no idea but yeah I'm looking forward to testing it out I mean it's not like going to be groundbreaking like the Rison 3000 is but at the same time it's still good to have that option there now it's something that can compete with the RT X 2016 2017 so that's what we're looking at and also let us know guys what you think of the new rise in 3,000 products stack here what is your favorite CPU coming into the event what is your favorite CPU coming out of the event I'm gonna ask wonder what's his favorite SKU of the stack I think my favorite for everybody but for my audience probably straws in five the six core rise in five maybe XO not X X and but the 3,700 X that's probably the best value for horsepower but if you just want a powerful machine that's basically future proof for the next three years probably rising five yeah doesn't mean I mean 6 cores 12 threads are still relevant for practically everyone that's just playing games and doing a little bit of this and that I just think you know you always love to get that cookie cutter value money value for money build and I think 16 gigabytes ddr4 a core 16 threads before 50 is going to be whereas 65 watts can be super quiet well you're gonna have that really good cooler that you will be able to overclock that 3700 X on and get pretty much the same results as the 399 CPU 3800 X so that's why I'm calling that one is my favorite I also going in what do you think with the two-month delay on the 39 50x before we get on out of here I thought that was like no one expected that no one called that I thought the delay was gonna be longer it's answer is yeah I mean it's probably fine that that explains the thread Ripper roadmap thing too I think so yeah they get people ready for thread Ripper and then ya got a teaser there if you want more cause more threads than you can still go up again hey you just bought a 12-point lead who said the thread represent ly not dead but 116 cores it looks like well maybe 16 cores is the entry level do you think maybe they just given the real hardcore enthusiasts a bit of a stepping stone by the 12 core then by the 16 core then by the 64 core yeah so it's sort of exponentially because the people that really need thread Ripper are gonna have a lot of peripherals and a lot of other stuff but you know for even for video capture having that PCI Express 4 link to the chipset that helps a lot with video capture - I know you're into all your inner extracting all those extra nitty gritties out of the I mean all the proof meet the periphery those extra lanes and everything some of the stuff that Wendell does is absolutely amazing guys so big thanks for him - featuring on this video and also check his channel out level 1 text links in description below thanks for having me it's all good and if you have any questions for Wendell drop a question in the comment section below or also let us know guys in the comment section below what is your favorite rise and cpu coming out of this love or any thoughts and opinions as always you wanna do this is tech yes city peace out for now bye peace out for now and behind you\n"