AirPods 4: A New Era of Wireless Earbuds?

Finally, after months of anticipation, Apple has announced its latest iteration of wireless earbuds - AirPods 4. And, let me tell you, I'm thrilled about it! The new design is sleek and stylish, with a subtle change in the shape that makes them feel more premium in my hand.

One of the most exciting features of AirPods 4 is their improved noise-cancellation capabilities. I've heard rumors that they're going to be exclusive to AirPods Pro 2, which is true - but not entirely surprising. The new earbuds use a clever technique called "sealing" to trap sound waves and reduce ambient noise. It's a feature that's been available on higher-end models for years, so it's great to see Apple incorporating it into their mid-range offering.

But what really sets AirPods 4 apart is the addition of two new models. For the first time, Apple has introduced a low-end model and a high-end model, each with its own set of features and pricing points. The lower-cost option starts at $129 and includes all the standard features you'd expect from an AirPods product - including seamless pairing with your Apple devices and access to Apple's audio features like spatial audio.

However, for those who want more, there's also a higher-end model available for $179. This one adds in some extra features like transparency mode, conversation awareness, and a MAG-safe charging case that can wirelessly charge your AirPods on the go. It's a great option for anyone looking to upgrade their AirPods experience without breaking the bank.

So, how do these new models compare to previous iterations? Well, one of the biggest differences is in terms of pricing. The $129 model is significantly cheaper than its predecessor, while the higher-end model offers more features at a slightly higher price point.

I've had the chance to try out both models, and I'm impressed with how they sound. The new design and improved noise-cancellation make them feel like a major upgrade over the previous AirPods 2 and 3. And, with their sleek new look, they're sure to turn heads wherever you go.

But what about the charging case? Well, that's one area where Apple has made some changes. The lower-end model comes without wireless charging, instead relying on a USB-C port for power. It's a bit of a letdown, but one that's likely intended to save costs and keep the price point down.

On the other hand, the higher-end model does come with wireless charging, which is a great feature if you're always on-the-go. And, with its sleek design, it's easy to charge your AirPods anywhere - even while they're in use.

So, what can you expect from Apple when it comes to AirPods Pro? Well, rumor has it that the next-generation model will offer some major upgrades, including a new chip and more advanced noise-cancellation features. We'll just have to wait and see if those rumors are true - but for now, it's clear that Apple is committed to making its wireless earbuds the best they can be.

If you're thinking of upgrading your AirPods experience, I'd definitely recommend checking out both models. They're a great option for anyone looking to try out wireless earbuds without breaking the bank - and with their sleek new design, they're sure to turn heads wherever you go.

And, if you're interested in learning more about Apple's latest earbuds, there are plenty of resources available online. You can check out Apple's website for more information on AirPods 4, or watch a video review to see them in action.

But, before we move on to the next topic, I just wanted to take a quick detour to talk about homekit - a feature that's been making waves lately. As some of you may know, Apple has announced plans to bring its popular smart home platform to Windows devices, starting with the upcoming release of Windows 11.

It's exciting news for anyone who's invested in the homekit ecosystem - and it's clear that Apple is committed to making its platform available on a wider range of devices. But, for now, there's still plenty to learn about what this means for users like you and me.

In fact, I've just heard that Nan Leaf, one of the key figures behind homekit, has been offered a better job by another company - which is sure to be interesting to hear more about in the coming weeks. And, as always, we'll be keeping a close eye on any developments in the world of homekit - so stay tuned for more updates.

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And, as always, we want to hear from you! If you have any questions or topics you'd like to discuss, please don't hesitate to reach out. And, if you're interested in learning more about Apple's latest products and features, be sure to check out our show notes for links to all the latest stories and updates.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello I'm William Gallagher and this is the intelligent Apple Insider podcast which this week is sponsored by the intelligent one password and I'm joined by the oh you know actually I was I really I'm making a crack about how apple is wedging in the word intelligent they do everything especially in the event with the Apple watch which isn't having having Apple intelligence they get putting it in anyway but actually it occurs to me now where's hilard surely I can introduce uce you as an intelligent can't I yeah oh terrible I was quite pleased with that I just popped into my head it came out perhaps we can just move on then uh at this precise moment if you hear this podcast the second it comes out there's a little chance that the Apple Store is already down and it's certain that later today it'll go down and then it'll come back up and everybody be very frustrated because it will come up in different times for everybody it's never on the time Apple says but it can vary by minutes and people be out there frustrated trying to get through but lucky few will get in we'll order straight away whatever they want and then the rest of us have to wait a little bit unless you are in fact wad in which case none of this matters to you you're already set whereas you've got your iPhone pro upgrade program sorted haven't you yes uh turns out apple has a time limit on that this year um as as we record on Thursday 9:00 p.m. uh Pacific you would not be able to pre-order anymore as far or pre-prepare anymore uh I think used to you could go in up to the hour and just fill out the little forms and be ready to go so I think Apple's trying to curtel the uh last minutes people and maybe reward the ones that um get ready ahead of time so I I did that on um Monday pretty much right after the event and I've been ready to go all week already ordered my Apple watch I'm glad they did that so you could pre-order on Monday and I get mine on release day the titanium series 10 um in Black that's going to be really nice and then uh yes and that means all I have to do tomorrow morning or Friday morning is order my phone and I'm done right so even though you're going to the iPhone upgrade program you still have to go through the pre-order stage uh tomorrow it doesn't roll out to you through some separate process but it's yes but it's like three buttons you click you you go to the store you hit your preconfigured order you hit uh complete I think you have to accept an agreement and then and then it uh says then it cycles and then you're done so you're you're really it's really really fast especially if you've preconfigured and I've already chosen the 16 Pro Max and um I don't know what they're calling it anymore uh black titanium I suppose and the uh one one terab option so my payments actually stayed identical year over year right three whole buttons so God it's just what are they playing at I me it's like animals you should be able to just go yeah buy two buttons get one free okay uh I can't remember is one terabyte the top range or do the iPhones go to two terabytes this year uh no I think it's one in the iPhone two and the iPad that's what I'm thinking of right so you've maxed out in every sense of the word okay y so it's 7 74 and change per month for that uh particular model yes the at the lower end it's closer to $35 uh if you just get the entry level iPhone so that's the range you're working in and honestly a $40 difference can make or break some people I understand that but it's not it's not that big a difference overall between the lowest iPhone and the biggest iPhone on the upgrade program it's kind of impressive and you get Apple Care Plus and everything else with it so I always recommend people like don't bulk at the prices so much look at the monthly and if you can afford it go for it but I know there you know there are many people out there where uh asking to pay $10 a month for Apple music can be a bit of a stretch so throwing in a $35 iPhone plan isn't exactly easy no I like to say that my problem with the iPhone upgrade program is that I I would prefer to keep my old Ione around as a spare cuz once I had a big problem and having last year one available to go straight away was a a big saving for me a big time saving a big problem saver but the truth is H do you know that the iPhone upgrade program is actually subtly different all around the world I it started in America so you have the kind of pure original do you know the how the rest of us suffer no idea but all I know is that the upgrade program is kind of a lie in itself cuz it's not really an upgrade program um it's almost identical to these subsidized plans that carriers offer uh you can choose just to keep paying until the phone's paid off there's no upgrade required or if you want really wanted to you could just have two upgrade programs going at the same time and just have keep keep your old iPhone 15 pay and I would continue paying it till next year and get the lease on the new model so like there's nothing in it that says you have to upgrade or you're required to it's just basically a fancy way of saying you're getting a at cost loan Lo there's no interest uh for 2 years and you can choose to um end that loan with no penalty at one year and start a new loan for the next iPhone right as long as you return the old model after one year of payments basically so you pay half of it off give them the old model and then you're allowed to start the new upgrade process again with a new contract so they have to check your credit score every year you have to apply every year and I suppose that's it's a danger some people might not get approved it's not a guarantee that if you even if you have the current iPhone even if you have the current iPhone upgrade program that you're you're not guaranteed to get the next iPhone upgrade program it's kind of interesting but that's just how they do it uh everything you've just said applies everywhere as far as I know uh most of the differences are that Apple partners with a local finance company and they have subtle differences so in the UK I think it's barkle and terms and conditions it's just fractionally different but in the UK as well there is also this you cannot join the iPhone upgrade program online you have to physically go into a store so several years ago I went into a store it is and they looked at me and the way I dressed and they thought you can't afford this no and they wouldn't let me on the program so yeah fine let them be like that you're supposed to do something encouraging there yeah were you wearing kind of a like an Ebenezer Scrooge style like knit cap and pajama pants or I was full on British writer you know the jacket with the leather patches all of that stuff um pencil behind the a I think even I mean apple pencil obviously but yeah okay so I I'm genuinely you had a little sack tied to a stick and you were carrying it just in case you needed a meal on the way okay you're going slightly too far there but all right so I have genuine reasons to be uncertain of whether I want the iPhone program and truly they wouldn't let me on for whatever reason all those years AG go quite worrying at the time I rushed home and checked my credit score and everything seemed okay so I don't know what happened but we're we're of course excited for upgrades and I want to hear from everyone what you ordered you know as the show comes out everyone will have ordered their phones and watches by now uh maybe your new getting some new airpods but I think we should get into the event itself yeah but not quite because you've told me something I didn't know which was basically you're going to get your new iPhone at the same time as everybody else does on September the 20th but that means that you're going to get the watch and the phone all together at the same time is is that not too much goodies for one day there's never such things as too much especially on Apple day like it's it's kind of a little Christmas for us it's a lot of fun yes it is we we'll get into it as we talk about the event but for me it this feels like a light year as far as I mean this this is like a go back in time a little bit and Apple announcing just a watch and a phone and maybe a set of airpods compared to I don't know uh I think last year it was the iPhone Apple watch Apple watch Ultra uh Air airpods Pro 2 no that was spring uh but iPad Mini uh was a couple years ago like it's just these iPhone events can be packed with a lot of different things and this year we kind of just went with the bare minimum less than the minimum because even the ultra wasn't upgraded so I just find it interesting that this is kind of a smaller year one thing to say about that is this week's up inside of plus is about um not specifically the news of the event but the I suppose the flavor of it and how the event compared to it the reactions we've been hearing from other people and things appli plus is the uh adree extended version of the podcast which you can get by subscribing via Apple podcasts or through patreon and we'd love to have you either way but if you are a subscriber that comes at the end so thinking actually of what they launched then I thought we would come away thinking we already knew everything before it was announced we'd heard so many rumors but I was wrong we did not know the correct name for the capture button for example um was there anything else you didn't know before camera control is so awkward because now it's camera control button there's three words really to it you can't just call I know Apple really likes their verb names and they really want to call it the camera control but that just sounds wrong Maybe will get used to it um cuz it's action button right uh but then again it's not face ID scanner right uh so maybe maybe we'll get used to the now name and it'll just become camera control oh we will like uh up to the minute they announced Apple intelligence I I mean I knew people are crossing their fingers saying don't call it Apple intelligence please don't call it and now you don't think about it fact I remember when the MacBook was announced and the Glorious name of the power book was retired forever I thought what anug portm word and now I crave a new Macbook every twice a year so we get used to these things yes I I do want to say that I I was correct there was no Apple watch Ultra 3 it wasn't going to happen this year um totally totally got that right we got an Apple Watch Ultra 2 with a shiny new black color and I know everyone I said I would buy the ultra when it came in black but now it's a generation behind and this new and this new Apple Watch series 10 is running a better processor and has a larger display than the Apple watch Ultra we'll get into that but um as as far as forgotten I had forgotten you said that you would have gotten away with it if it weren't for yourself there yeah so basically we can't trust a single thing you tell us about new things it had it has to at least still be new I I'm not going to buy the year old model just for a color but I and that we'll get into that with the airpods max as well well but the um I think the interesting thing here is we knew a lot uh we had an idea that the Apple watch displays would be bigger while making the body smaller we knew about desert titanium and the iPhone I'm not sure that we knew that they were going to go with the sand blasted uh look on the titanium I really like that um like but that I wonder if that'll feel textured at all that would be nice uh but over overall pretty good year I think the biggest thing we didn't know and we'll never know is colors so vibrant on the iPhone 16 um but otherwise pretty pretty straightforward year as far as iPhone releases go uh we did not know about visual intelligence they kept that one under wraps completely yeah except I have a problem with digital intelligence I mean actually loads of questions about it uh the problem first Apple has been chowing off things like this for quite a while like the ability to idea plant and I think for a time that was only in the US because my wife actually had to buy an app in the UK in order to do it I've managed to pull it off with something in the photograph but not consistently so this identification not you going online to check things that was already there but now apparently you can do it with dogs as well so well we can get into it let's uh we're bouncing around a little bit here at the start let's let's go through the event we don't have to go in event order I kind of organized our list by kind of importance or uh directness so let's talk about first off start with the phone the phone's the one to start with is that where you think as well no yes but before we get to that what did you think of the opening uh video that we got this year uh not as moving as some videos but still of lifting quite heartening I thought just this this will sound weird it felt more like an advertisement than usual like that's that's a commercial Apple would run uh whereas normally the pre-event videos are more of a storytelling moment um almost cuz they can't they they never really use those as ads because they're they're long and they don't get the point across um directly so they they don't really work as ads this one kind of works as an ad and uh that was the biggest difference for me I did not realize this until you said that but they actually put on screen so so used this iPhone or whatever for it whereas normally you there's an iPhone in there or something but they pointedly do not single it out and I think that's one of the uh artistically good things about them but also commercially confident things that they can just show it in action and trust that we will get it from the Apple logo at the end here yes you're right it was it was they didn't exactly include a price but it was heading towards that way good point I wonder if that's what just slightly pulled it back for me as well there's we can get into that in apple Insider plus because there's a lot about this presentation I think that differs from other Apple events that makes this feel a little bit more droll than Apple's usual Apple events but that's all that's all I'll say here uh iPhone 16 what do you think where where where we at here what what do we got well I'm actually quite impressed uh every year I go through this thing of if I'm going to buy a phone should it actually be one of the regular models or the Pro and it's going if I do it this year it'll be a pro but for a while there I was thinking this is actually rather nice as a regular iPhone I think I'm actually really very taken with the camera control uh feature and that sways me a lot but I do also like the colors and I like the whole thing I mean I don't think I'm going to buy an Apple Vision Pro but to be able to take photographs that I will L to using them I can see me taking some with an eye to the Future um you went pro straight away so do you are you not impressed with the regular model it's not that uh obviously if this was the only choice I think it'd be an excellent one um there's just enough on the pro that I care about that I want it more uh I could live with an iPhone 16 I think like it's still running iOS it's still a powerful processor it gets Apple intelligence 48 megapixel main camera uh you have the um nice now for the first time I don't know that many people are talking about it but the ultrawide has autofocus which allows it to do macro which was always a pro feature till now so even that has come to the standard iPhone I could really a lot of my workflows and a lot of my photography and a lot of stuff could come to the iPhone 16 pretty easily and I I like that uh the battery life is a lot better we get Wi-Fi 7 vibrant bright colors I really like that ultramarine everyone's talking about it um and then we get the hardware accelerated Ray tracing for video games uh just a lot of good features here I think what um surprised me the most I think was uh the inclusion of the capture button on or the camera control on every model including the standard iPhones and I think that's excellent that's a good move by Apple cuz um everyone buys an iPhone for the camera it shouldn't be a pro feature I'm half embarrassed to say this uh but but I'm going to uh I have a problem with the cameras on iPhones in that I really don't understand the different lenses the options for it I I point at something and I press the button if it isn't clear then I'll fiddle with the focus yes and if it's too far away well I suppose I'll Zoom but usually I'll just walk over to it and take the photograph so things like the 48 megapixel thing but you can have a 24 megapixel version of the shot how you choose that when you would uh honestly it throws me so maybe we should have some sort of Apple Insider guide to what William should be doing with this camera I'm wondering who to ask to write that what you're doing is fine uh zooming with your Feet's always better than zooming with your lens um definitely one of the and there and I know there's people out there listening there's no zoom on iPhone you're just changing to different focal points I get it uh people always get upset when we say Zoom when we mean just switching cameras uh cuz there is the 5x telephoto on the Pro Models um and there's only the standard modes now there is is a 2X uh camera on this but that's because it's cropping into the sensor on the main camera and then you default to a 12 megapixel photo um which are fine 12 megapixels is what we've had since the iPhone 6 with the with 4K video um it's a it's an excellent range to shoot at all pixels really mean is how big the image can be when you blow it up 12 megapixels you're you know uh you're going to start seeing a little bit of the edge a little bit of the pixelation some you know it's it's going to stop looking like a goodlooking photo the bigger it gets the good thing is though you can edit around that that's why Apple's shot on iPhone campaign has been able to go on billboards despite being on uh phones pre 12 megapixels um photos are just weird that way but as far as we're concerned like once you get to 12 megapixels that'll fit comfortably on a 4K television without um needing to to without looking uh zoomed in basically without looking blown up uh 48 megapixels basically multiplies that by 4X um on all on because it's 2x on both sides so you can blow it up much larger you're getting towards uh poster board billboard size of just without blowing up the pixels again editing allows you to get around that how Apple produces those Billboards it's very interesting they most of them are actually painted on by people um some some of them are uh the the weird photocopy like 3D roller kind of thing they're it's it's fascinating but at the end of the day they produce beautiful photos point and shoot you you you William are doing it right honestly the pro people that need to know all that stuff are going to use it and make some glorious photos with it but normal everyday people being able to just point shoot and take good pictures that's the whole point that's the whole reason it's there I've actually seen little documentaries about people painting Billboards and it just never occurred to me that Apple would do the same of course they would but totally different completely stepping away from that you mentioned something else there that actually I missed uh during the event he said Wi-Fi 7 is in the iPhone 16 uh is that actually any use at the moment well um it's useful to me because uh there was also an important announcement this week uh Sony PlayStation 5 Pro is coming uh so just like the iPhone 15 pro has more cameras I'm joking okay but I've never even seen this device so I just believed every word you said there but okay but uh it also comes with Wi-Fi 7 so now I'm suddenly two devices in with Wi-Fi I need to replace my routers I'm going to redo my whole entire home network around this no Wi-fi 7 is excellent for a lot of things because it's not just the range of reach and power and uh download speeds the routers that you buy with this feature are also going to be jam-packed with Technologies for modern use like matter and the smart home uh slower devices it's going to account for a lot more modern-day uses versus this lyus router which is excellent but I believe it's been the same router for several years now and it's not aware of a lot of the modern Technologies going on so uh Wi-Fi 7 by itself just gets you better uh connections without drops um further distances it's a stronger radio just there's a lot of little things there uh it increases your base download speed uh lots of stuff I don't have the exact specs in front of me but it's it's beneficial for most people they're never going to notice for another five six years until they need a new router I don't know why that leads me to this uh thinking of new features in the iPhone 6 am I right that you take more still photographs than video uh by far yes I I do video very rarely but when I do it's very intentional um I've I've played with these new modes and again with the um excellent like slow motion uh we'll get to the pros in a moment but there's a lot of good stuff in apple video right now that I'm really tempted to try and I've been over the years increasing the amount of video I take just because iPhone is such a good video camera but I definitely specialize in and still photography I shoot primarily at the um what is it the 1 Point 1.5 I believe uh it's one it's 1.0 1.3 and 1.5 I think are the three ranges and I you're not a a 0.5 kid no hang on a 0. five kid that's that's what the cool kids are doing the fs I'm not up I've just got the term wrong but okay no you're right uh 0. five photos uh they're very popular for the fact that they they're very memeable you can make people's foreheads gigantic but um I default to the 1.5x lens so I I prefer portraiture I'm I do take some landscape photos but I also enjoy macro a lot I like getting close to things and seeing what they look like yeah me too uh in that I I love macro stuff but generally then I'm more of a video guy than you I shoot one YouTube video more or less a week or so but the thing with mine is uh the only kind of dialogue in it is me yapping to camera and something I think I'd like to try on the iPhone 16 is this new uh audio mix they've done where you post production it seems uh just like the way you can do Focus changing that you can do audio changing and bring up someone else's dialogue and switch between them I I'm fascinated to see how that works and I think it's all tied down to whatever Alchemy there is that so you know in logic pro the way you can remove vocals to strip out music this feels like it's the same technology and in the pro versions or the iPhone there the I think the same tools in the voice memos uh example they gave but I'm terribly interested to try this I just need these devices they're they're packed with microphones so they're there's so many microphones that they can they can pick each sound and focus on that sound with each microphone and kind of separate them uh physically allowing the recording to be moved but like I can see the uh Studio level recording being great for voiceovers I I recorded a home I was looking at to purchase uh I walked through with a video and was describing the rooms and what we could do to different areas and that would be a perfect example of just focus on the voice that way there's no Echo there's no background nothing like that um I feel like even though these feel like Pro features there's going to be use cases for everyone here but yeah iPhone 16 I think what uh we'll get to the pros because honestly there's not that much here faster they got the A8 processor the 48 megapixel Fusion camera which I think they're calling it that just because it's uh the combined with the ISP of the a18 they're getting better at that um oh I I forget the name of it every time it's the it's the photo mode people called sweater mode uh at one point but it's getting really good at that vertical stack of images where it's taking 12 pictures and combining them into one excellent photo uh and because of that that Fusion name is coming in but um lot a lot of good features here the spatial video recording for Apple Vision Pro is great uh funny enough that one tidbit still 1080p still 30 frames per second really I missed that too okay well actually I I mean who needs to know here's some inside information that's only Secret cuz nobody could possibly care uh during the night of an Apple event and everybody on Apple insid is working on it you get assigned a certain piece of do and as it happens I got to write about the iPhone 16 but that meant while Apple was going on about the iPhone 16 Pro I totally missed it because I was writing still about the 16 things I've actually just made a hand gesture of fast typing uh for it so on the night I didn't see about the 16 Pro which is the one I'm tempted to buy I kind of had to catch up and I found when I was catching it up I was kind of skipping through it to find out what was new and they didn't feel like an amazing amount except I quite like the desert titanium color um what's actually new in the 16 Pro compared to the 16 well before we get to that let's let's start with what's similar um let's let's talk about camera control cuz it's the same across both systems well that was my assumption that everything in the 16 is in the 16 Pro is that too crude an assumption every well so everything in the 16 is in the Pro and the pro gets some extras on top right okay good okay so um the similar stuff I mean I rewatched all the camera control stuff because I knew that would be on the pro things as well so that's all set I didn't finish saying actually my problems with yeah do you have a minute for my problem with camera control it's just a side step um no no we're we're doing camera control now so let's go into it okay yeah I tell you what let's make this a chapter chap everything so it's official I haven't just wandered back in my head this is always planned here my problem is there was that great example of that you can show look at the a building or something and it will be you'll see the details for it the one way you look at a theater poster and it puts all the details in your calendar that is just crazy brilliant I'm astounded that that exists in the world and I love it and I will use it so much but the one way you look at a restaurant where does that information go the example was here's a guy looks at a restaurant there are all the details in the menu and he wanders off happily where is it saved so that I can look at it again when I'm hungry later on have I got to go back to the building I or is it all added to my contact list because I pass a lot of restaurants you know that I'm never going to go in so I want to know do you understand more about this than I do so William's describing visual intelligence uh this is a specific feature attached to the capture button which I or the camera control which I believe is maybe exclusive to the Pro Models or is that coming to every model that's something I kind of missed I believe this is an ex uh I think so but I'm not sure either it's don't you find all of this stuff uh with apple intelligence it's quite confusing because it is rather than this separate thing you use it's seeped into everything and it's coming out in stages so knowing where everything is I think it's exclusive to the iPhone 16 lineup so all all the iPhones can do visual intelligence so cool good uh so this is a step so camera control we'll get to that in a second that's specific for taking photos but visual intelligence you press and hold on the camera control button and um it launches into a viewfinder now in this viewfinder you'll find a unique set of UI options because it'll just be a clear camera feed and then the the bottom corn is kind of like on the Lo screen one button takes you to chat GPT the other button takes you to Google search um which implies perhaps a Gemini so uh GPT search will kind of one example was what is uh this math or something I'm looking at and it helped uh it put GPT through the problem uh whereas Google search was better for like a a concert poster but at the end of the day what is happening here is this is basically the um Google Lens functionality uh being brought front and center to iPhone none of this is actually new you've been able to do all of this Apple's using something called Data detectors uh which is existed for a very long time like if you're on a web page and there is a date and it's highlighted blue you can click on it and it will add to your calendar it's doing the same thing here it's just being integrated into Apple intelligence a little more specifically they're probably getting better at detecting dates that's there's a reason why this is an a apple intelligence feature but overall it's just like the poster I don't think it's uh looking up the concert information because again Apple intelligence is local to your device what it's doing is it sees that it's a concert poster it understands that uh so it takes the title adds that to the title field takes the date adds that to the date field and then if there's a QR code it'll add the URL to the UR field and that's what it's doing there it is intelligent and it is a smart way of doing it but it is actually below the surface not that complex and it's something your phone's been able to do technically for a while third party apps people have figured out how to do similar text detection and data detection this is why M magicians never tell their secrets I was so impressed and now I'm thinking no I knew about data detectors I I I'm used to it in emails and things when invitations come through but yeah that old stuff with a nice thing boring yeah there's also something on iPhone that's been there for years now called um visual what is it called it's it's the thing so if you're ever in a photo and you see the sparkly glittery stuff on the eye the info button um that means there is a uh visual search thing available there you tap it it opens and it will tell you what breed of dog what kind of bug what kind of plant if you're in a location that the uh geolocation understand understand and the inference from the photo understands it will tell you about that Monument or that um City Town whatever or uh in this case you said restaurant well the restaurant it's all on device data but part of your on device data is geolocation it knows physically where you are it has access to Apple Maps data this is where Apple intelligence gets a little more fuzzy Apple intelligence is on device but your device is also connected to the internet now Apple intelligence isn't going online but all that information is locally saved so knowing where you are what restaurant could be near you and seeing the name of that restaurant in that physical location gives it everything it needs and it can basically do a simple web search and and pull just like using the summary feature in Safari pull the uh menu or phone number or address book for that place and you're asking where does all this go well there is a new location feature in Maps where uh you have a locations library and so when you probably view a location through Visual intelligence you can probably add it directly to your location's library and Apple Maps oh I did not know that that's really good you just put back in my head though that I it's unated previously on the upand side of podcast I have complained quite a bit that if I get into car and I ask um let's say call her Iris I ask Iris to take me to my mom's using Apple Maps and it will do it it'll bring up the maps but it will say at the same time it will say you don't appear to have an app called maps in your life it's right there oh good that's gone that is fixed but if I just say uh take me to my mom's it goes I have I can't remember the phrasing but I have no thin clue who you mean so okay somewhere along the line it's reset all the um relationship stuff so I said Iris the my mother's is this and it went well thanks but I already knew that it actually used those words so calmness a location thing I'll just go to recent locations then and find her that way make sure your mom has a nickname field and add mom to the nickname field or Mom or uh mother however you say I should explain for British uh listeners mom is in Britain we tend to think that Mom is an americanism but actually uh I'm in Birmingham in England and an Irish background so Birmingham Irish it is Mom as well but I it's weird how I have had people get very upset with I not saying mom also it's very hard to buy a birthday card with mom in the UK really hard tell you that but anyway so location getting better in maps I like this I want this so focusing in of we're still on the capture control uh visual intelligence one last thing I did notice there's a lot of memes going around I don't know if you saw this part of your of the internet but people we're making very much fun of the scene in the uh visual intelligence sequence of a person taking a photo of a dog using visual intelligence to find out the dog breed and everyone says why don't you just ask the dog walker what the breed of the dog is now here's the thing two things one if you watch the thing he does talk to the dog walker he he's not audible yeah yeah yeah there's a voiceover so he's not audible but he does speak to the dog walker so he's not a opth sneaking up on people taking photos of their dogs and second of all not all dog owners know everything about their dog bre like they'll just be like well I've I've had people tell me that their dog is like some combination of 17 things and it turns out they're just a husky um right like or uh this the shepherd hurting dog they'll I had a mut that was just this yellow thing that could have been anything on the planet Apple's visual search never could figure that out um but at the end of the day it's it's just fun maybe this person wanted to uh have a dog like it and added it to its visual intelligence Library uh by seeing like what it is like oh this is great save it for later open it in Safari whatever um there's any number of reasons you could do this even though the person will directly tell you it's actually this dog it's still not that weird to be like oh this is cute can I take a photo I it's it happens all the time people like photos of dogs and adding that extra visual intelligence flavor to it may be a little odd to us who aren't used to it but I really find those data detectors for this kind of stuff very interesting I I find myself taking pictures of flowers uh and bugs and bees and things like that just to see what 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taking the money went oh get you modern technology I think it's 10 years old that I've been able to do that so we get used to things by using them but they'll still look odd to others but if you have excused the dog guy and explained that he not someone to run away from um I'm going to come back to this point when we talk about airpods because I have a problem with airpods in a similar kind of way but still I I I pressed you too much on the camera control button I didn't really realize till I said it to you that I'm I'm hooked on that that's probably the reason I'm going to buy other advantages to the pro and I would accept great colors well we still haven't talked about camera control in all this time just real quick camera control what it actually is because all we talked about was visual intelligence that's true that's obviously the BD I like but yeah the photography side yes so so you want the control for visual intelligence or for photography I'm a little confused here oh it sounds like uh I'm I'm addicted to the visual intelligence style but I do have a secret plan for a thing I'm going to film with a zoom using it that's secret uh I'll be able to zoom though that's what you're telling me well uh you've always been able to dial in to the digital zoom on the lenses using a slider on screen but now that slider is moved to a physical control on the side of the phone there's different interaction methods you can uh tap uh to summon the menu to start swiping uh the first tap is your like you said your Zoom I know people again are cringing out there it's digital Zoom I get it uh but and then you're swapping lenses between F uh focal links uh second if you double tap you open a menu for precise control over are you in portrait mode or are you in this mode um can you set this setting whatever uh a press and holds uh we'll start recording video and um a firm press down will take a photo uh so there's a lot of cool stuff here the um one thing that did not happen uh we did not get the half press to focus and full press to shoot and we did not get the focus control so we don't have a variable aperture so neither of those things happened here but I think still there's plenty of great control options in this button you have touch force touch and capacitive touch all in one button what do you think about the position of it fine uh this is the natural place to put a camera button um Sony's been doing it for years the Sony Xperia line has a physical button it's not it's not this fancy but it does they do have a shutter control and I believe Camera Launcher button uh on the side of the phone same identical location it makes sense it's just when you're holding your phone on the side camera's on the top corner of the phone that is where a camera shutter button should be by Design if you're taking photographs in landscape which you should then I think it's perfectly positioned but they did show some people um Maniacs shooting Port tra and in that case it felt like your thumb had to be in quite an odd place I think I was expecting it to be up by the action button I don't know why well so you still have the option of controlling the shutter with the volume buttons I believe uh but that but see now you're thinking of it funny because if I have my phone in hand right now and when I'm holding my phone um one way my thumb is where the uh capture control or I keep doing this camera control um my thumb is where the camera control is the only way I can take it with the volume buttons If I shift the phone all the way down in my hand with my uh index finger on the volume button and my thumb on the power button which how many times have you or anyone listening tried taking a photo with a volume button and your thumb accidentally hits the power button you just shut the whole thing off yes when you uh and up there too your index finger if you're using your maybe your middle finger uh to control the volume your index finger can get in front of the lenses very easily so you slide your hand down to where you're gripping it from the bottom as if you're going to scroll Twitter or something uh you move your thumb to the side of the phone and it naturally rests there your index finger is now supporting the back of the phone your other three fingers are on the left side of the phone it's a very natural position and you can lift and press and swipe with your thumb there very easily anyone who doesn't have this phone uh go ahead and do it you can your SIM tray is right there so you actually have a physical indicator there if you have your case off just rub your thumb over that SIM tray holding it in portrait it's actually quite straight forward it's not an awkward position at all you you know I'm doing this okay I think I was holding it a different way to you but okay right maybe I just have incredibly long fingers I don't know well you you you've obviously been trained on an iPhone 16 Pro Max you know your reach is obviously bigger than mine with my poultry Pro but okay you know that scene you know that scene in everything everywhere all at once where the muscle and the like they Flex their finger and it has a finger muscle that's my pinky from holding a an iPhone Pro Max in my hand do you remember that thing in Deep Space 9 when Odo stretches his hand out uh that's oh sorry okay there are cultural references for this are plenty go go watch go watch everything everywhere all at once William if you haven't my goodness no um in any case that's it for the c c uh capture I did it again camera control uh so there's plenty to get into there I'm excited to try it on my phone but we do have a rest of the phone to talk about finally so let's get into the iPhone 16 pro pro Max okay Tetra prism lens on both models uh I'm stuck what else is there that's new Ed IG continues oh yes yes of course um I'm seriously concerned about that size thing because I fancy a bigger one this year I don't know why but they've they've taken my desire and they've made it bigger you see I can make up words as well uh and I don't word Igan is 100% a word it's a dumb word but it is a word I mean much okay well in that case I'm striking out in a new the you heard it here first and possibly last biggera it is bigly okay uh is it too big is it one of the reasons I fancy is it feels like it's a little iPad that size so I will carry an iPad Mini with cellular and use it as a phone I don't care that's what airpods are for I'm not going to hold the thing up to my face that looks ridiculous I have noticed that over the years I think people have forgotten how to use phones because the number of people who you walk by holding the phone to their ear is well it's zero now it's always in front of their mouth well they've always I mean it's an extra to turn on speaker but they all do it uh and this means we get to hear both sides of the conversation thanks enormously uh for that uh but yeah William here's here's how I live my life on the occasional moment my phone rings and it's a phone call my my phone is in my pocket what do I do I do not reach for my phone I look at my watch oh who is it oh this is this is someone I want to talk to attach to my so I actually Loop uh where my you pull your belt through and then you tighten and then you tuck your belt into that little uh extra loop on the other side right to put it away before I do that I Loop a small um thing through the uh gosh I don't have words today on the airpods pro case there's a lanyard there we go a lanyard Loop so I Loop that through and then stick my airpods in my pocket so that they don't sink all the way to the bottom I just grab that lanyard Loop it just fishes the airpods out of my pocket I pop an air pod into my ear press the answer call button and now I am talking on the phone like a civilized human being and I never touched my phone I never even touched my watch and I can get an airpod in my ear in about 4 seconds uh you'll get two rings in and I'm already on my airpods talking and everyone should be going this route just don't don't even answer your phone anymore answer it like airpods are so convenient we will get to airpods in a second but uh the size is not an issue I like that they're getting bigger uh I like that the standard phones are a little smaller to give people a little bit of range of options um even the plus phone is now smaller than the pro Max phone which I think is interesting I'm not going to blanket disagree with you about the way to answer phones uh I do do it differently my phone tends to be out so I have occasionally just called over to Iris and said answer on speaker or quite often place a call on speaker for it and I find that useful uh the reason I won't completely disparage this uh airpods nonsense of yours is I remember actually when the Apple watch came out my wife Angela said there is no chance not one single Pixel of a chance she will ever take a phone call on her Apple watch 3 hours later the phone rang and the book was the the book the phone was in the bottom of her bag she couldn't get to it so she did she's walking down a High Street in Mosley in the UK uh talking on her phone like Dick Tracy and I think she secretly quite enjoyed it in the end um so yeah we we adapt to things and I might try except that means I've got a bu airpods cuz one of mine is horribly broken and can't be fixed and that you're just pushing the price up of my orders this year well I think so I don't think we need to spend too much time on the pro phones they got bigger um we have the Tetra prism on both camera on both phones now um capture button on both devices a18 Pro with the faster processing better GPU better neural engine um we have this is probably the most interesting thing about this phone 4K 120 frame per second video uh which is excellent I will be absolutely taking advantage of that you do not understand how often I take video and I'm like why is it so stuttery really no I've not had that problem ever it depends it depends on how things have gone wrong but yeah it depends on tracking still video where you you're on a tripod looking at one single subject obviously you're going to be crystal clear but if you try to move a centimeter it's just it it breaks down because the refresh rate can't keep up and then you look you play back the video and you got a lot of stutter and movement this I will just film at 4K 120 and use and and then down sample to 60 and then bam now you have this perfectly fluid motion between uh everything like it I think it's going to make video even better on what's already like the best phone for video at this point I do film at the highest possible quality because the other day I realized I'd shot half an hour of something um and there was a shirt I'd left in shot I changed shirts between filming and you could see the sleeve of it and it was all you could look at so I was able to just nudge the screen out a bit because I the quality was good enough for it so I automatically go for the highest quality even though uh I need to add some more action to my videos really to make it worth it but noted I feel like sorry we'll we'll break these devices down into greater detail especially in these upcoming episodes especially once we have them in hand I wanted to say there's one more thing on the proa pro pro Max that is very interesting I don't think it's coming to the standard 16 Line This is improved mag safe up to 25 watt charging and over USBC it appears we're going to get 45 watt charging so both excellent upgrades for charging your iPhone you say that and every time there's any Improvement that is a headline news people are very happy and so there may be something wrong with me but I never I don't care because I put the phone and the watch on to charge overnight they're charged when I go up in the morning that it's fast or shorter doesn't really affect me so um well I tend to wear my watch sometimes at night when I don't want to disturb anyone really uh with the alarm and things and then I got to charge it in the day so I suppose it makes a difference there for for people who have screen times for Tik Tok of about 12 hours a day and Screen times for timu about 4 hours a day I would say being able to quickly charge your phone is important because you do not understand how often my niece will get in my car and say my battery is at 1% and it's like 2 p.m. and it's just like what if how like did you not charge it last night no it was on the charger all night and it was 100% when I went to school this morning how at school especially did you train your battery that much in any case uh it's just more battery life better and more faster charging always better for me and you doesn't really affect us I'm always around 100% myself cuz I just have Chargers everywhere my phone defaults to a max8 uh charger wherever it's lays down at this point but I think we got to uh cover a couple other things before the show ends Apple might have announced something else one of them that I'm really keen on is we started into this a couple of times about airpods I really am torn because I miss my airp basically I've just got one working L little airpod the the right ear airpod left ear one of those I don't always look at it whichever one it is one works one doesn't very upsetting want to buy new quite tempted by the fact that uh noise cancellations come to the cheaper models but I said don't let me out of here without going back to this uh guy that you have explained is not a psycho Apple showed this woman going to buy a coffee and not taking her airpods out while she talked to the vendor and the thing is of course this thing that airpods will go oh you're talking to somebody I'll lower the volume that's fine for you the person you're talking to has not one Thin clue so uh I think I've said this before we had a a politician come to the door uh and she was saying we really want to hear what you say but she was wearing airpods and I'm think yeah you know and I saw a guy on a date once wearing airpods and I I mean I looked at the woman he was with and we she looked back it's like yeah not going to be a second date for it so I don't care how Apple does clever stuff for you it's rude for the rest of the world and I think you don't agree excellent uh have you ever talked to someone with a hearing aid sure so they don't take those out when they talk to you correct quite but recognizably yes the point which is is I don't think they're listening to more interesting podcasts than the conversation I'm having at the moment but did you know hearing aids in the last few years have been able to listen to podcasts and music no I didn't uh you can oh yeah you can buy bluetooth enabled there's a whole feature inside of iPhone for it uh Bluetooth connected headphones made for iPhone made for iPhone hearing aids that can also double as Bluetooth headphones uh they're they're quite interesting and they utilize your hearing Health Data to help uh control incoming audio sound familiar because Apple did announce the hearing test hearing protection and hearing aid features coming to airpods Pro 2 this fall I think it's really clever because we've spent years with airpods and apple showing uh conversation awareness was a a feature a couple years ago Apple spent a lot of time working in It's Perfectly Normal to wear airpods to talk because there's such a stigma around hearing aids that people just won't get them it doesn't matter how bad their hearing is they just refuse because they don't want to be seen as that old person with a hearing aid even though that is not real there so many people it doesn't matter what your age you can have hearing loss and need uh some sort of help here and that's what's great about airpods Pro too getting this feature it's uh Med moderate to severe hearing loss not you know probably not higher grades of hearing loss you'll need a very specialized hearing aid but standard hearing aids can be replaced with airpods Pro to an extent we'll see how all this works uh we'll have to find someone who needs a hearing aid to try it out but the feature I think itself is bril they've been showing people talking with them in for such a long time that now you can just say oh I'm just wearing my airpods using conversation awareness it's not a hearing aid and it removes the stigma entirely and I think that's awesome I have no problem with people wearing hearing aids uh I know plenty people who do I as you can hear I have a lot of problem with people having airpods the fact that those airpods might be being used as hearing aids there's no way for me to know that so I think uh sign yeah well so wear a sign the I think this is one of those social things where humans just need to get over it like with Apple watch checking your watch socially since the invention of watches has always been a sign of I'm bored I need to get out of here and now it could just be I got a text message from my mother you know that kind of thing um and we've it's still kind of a sign cuz you know theoretically if you're interested enough in what's happening in front of you even if you get a notification you can ignore it because you're more interested in the person speaking to you but maybe there's something important coming in you can warn them ahead of time socially again we have to adapt but airpods I think is that next step we need to be able to adapt to the fact of we don't know that person's situation we don't know why they have airpods in if they are talking to me we can only assume that they can hear me talking back and if they're not responding then at that point yes they are being rude and uh we can address them as such but um I think this this is one of those social stigmas that's going to have to move forward just like in a few years we're going to see people walking around with uh some sort of Apple Vision headset glasses in modern society and having conversations with fake eyeballs including your uh Town police officers ah oh I see what you did out nice there you threw me the ball there because there is a a application is Orange County is looking to buy Apple Vision Pro I mean you're an apple Vision Pro so you understand this better than me they not just going to get it to watch the Star Trek Experience or whatever it is that I quite fancy seeing they have a legitimate real purpose which yes is so little little segue uh so the Orange County which is a part of La in California for those who didn't know um they are working with apple along with other police precincts I believe mostly California because it's local um they've been working with apple and training up to make their surveillance uh stations run on Apple Vision Pro instead of multiple expensive monitors and computers they can just do it all on a headset that they wear this doesn't mean you're going to get pulled over and a cop's going to walk up to you wearing an apple Vision Pro not yet anyway um right now they say they're too heavy for patrol work but uh what they want to do is turn these you've seen them in TV shows they're very exaggerated but uh the modern version of them I've seen they're very as basic as you can imagine basically old windows monitors stacked on top of each other with held together with tape and a couple of computers creaking by on Windows 7 maybe Windows 11 uh and they're receiving information from their police forces uh they're receiving maps and photos and data and they're trying to help position police officers strategically they're they're investigating a case what have you this surveillance Center this Intelligence Center is run by all this hardware and it can be expensive well if you put it all into one $3,500 headset still pricey but you know as as we know in America police have a lot of money um they can afford this and they would be able to use this to help in just lay out all the windows investigate a scene look at maps and data and the officer uh and the the uh I forget what they're called the guy in charge said that uh he was very happy with how the demo worked out and they're going to start training with it and working with apple and how to make this work for the police force and funny enough now I we can't I'm not going to say he's a liar but we can't really know how true this is but quote unquote Apple told me that will there will be a lighter one coming soon or there's a second generation that will be lighter uh because he's interested in using these as for patrollers who walk through a neighborhood and it could pop up an augmented reality and tell them crime rates in the area or incoming data about ongoing investigations could be seen in the headset it's all very straight out of sci-fi um this is separate from anyone's opinions on police so keep you know we understand there's a lot of stigma there in America right now but I think this is a cool application of the technology it reminds me very much of a video game called Heavy Rain which I use an image of in the story uh of a police officer that uses augmented reality to solve crimes so when will we see this on CSI po gosh I can't wait until some the day comes that NCIS something uh copertino someone's wearing an apple Vision Pro to do an investigation like that would be hilarious I can't wait but then when if they're the good cup the bad cup comes in and says enhance it you know they're going to have to take off the the headset do the adjustment for another user put it on I can see that being quite a slow kind of scene but okay that might be my drama view coming out I so we're run we're running to the end of the episode we got to cover the iPhones in a little bit of detail funny enough there's still so much to talk about just even just the iPhones but let's do a quick rundown Apple Watch series 10 bigger display thinner you can now play audio directly from the Apple watch on your wrist so get ready for people to be on the subway listening to podcast and music from their wrist um making phone calls from their wrist yet again uh but uh I do like they brought back titanium and ditched stainless steel I love it titanium is wait a second I mean I get that you like titanium we've talked about this before for the iPhone but are you anti stainless steel I'm wearing a stainless steel watch right now but they're heavy and uh what's cool is well per four titanium would be in $1,100 range uh and you would have to go way up in price to get it um now they've just taken the stainless steel position at $7.99 or $699 I'm sorry and now you can just order a titanium Apple watch standard series 10 in titanium in black and it be this lightweight material on this huge display I I'm excited for it I can't wait to see it they got rid of the red ring to denote cellular which is a nice change um their better uh chipset technology the S10 chipset cool you know we're just you know getting better and better on all these things battery life relatively the same faster charging um but otherwise you know there it's an Apple Watch uh I'm I'm excited for this guy asleep apnea detection was the new health feature no new health sensors just using detection based on algorithms on device and no word of blood oxygen detection no one day one day it will come but well actually you can say the same about sleep Happ here cuz that isn't going to be here yet either um you can almost hear the frustration in the we're still waiting the FDA kind of thing but we're sure it will come soon kind of thing but I'm sure it will so as we mentioned before Apple watch Ultra 2 comes in Black now no Apple watch Ultra 3 no S10 chip in the ultra it's last year's model and a new flashy color at the same price um fine airpods is the remainder of our list uh we talked a little bit about it airpods Max got a new colorway with USBC nothing else changed it has the H1 chip in it still which means none of the new features are in it I'm expecting the reason this happened is they had a bunch of junk in a warehouse they needed to paint a new color and get rid of so uh and bu a new connector on yeah nice colors though they are in I do like the colors yeah I'm just not I'm not going to buy it uh it's the same identical functionality as the ones I'm wearing now and I like the space gray better than the midnight so I'm sticking with it yes it has lightning but I can I can survive with that uh but finally uh we talked about hearing Health already it's going to do um a hearing test built into the OS uh that you can uh wear it for hearing protection for noisy maybe you're walking by construction maybe you're going to a concert you can wear airpods uh to protect your ears at a loud concert I've seen people do it um finally though all that hearing stuff's exclusive to airpods Pro 2 airpods 4 is not getting it despite having the H2 chip I believe uh it has something to do with the sealing the ear with the uh inserts so finally airpods 4 there are two models a low-end model and a high-end model and they replace the existing airpods 2 and airpods 3 at those price points anything from you William no only that I was quite I don't know why I was so pleased about this that the uh higher price airpods for the case has a a speaker on it cuz I did lose my airpods once for several months and they turned out to be within a meter of where I was sitting almost every day so that would have been quite handy for it I like that yeah the delineation between models is so much better this time around 129 gets you airpods they do the airpods thing with the switching and the connecting and Apple's audio with H2 chip um they do the uh Apple Vision Pro H2 to H2 connection for lossless streaming and all that stuff everyone gets that as long as you have an H2 chip so in the newer devices so great second uh you the charging case only charges over Chi No it's not even that the 129 model is just USBC you get no wireless charging no nothing other than the USBC port and when you use fine my it's for Bluetooth only no speaker Grill no U1 chip the 179 model adds in a and C even though there's no ear tips which also gets you transparency mode and it gets you conversation awareness and it gets you a MAG safe charging case with fine my and a speaker uh but no U1 finding no Precision finding that is preserved for airpods pro which is still 249 I believe or maybe 229 I can't remember and that one is the whole sheing every every feature I like I like this lineup curiously enough just out of interest uh airpod Pro to uh is $249 and 229 so you had both numbers right there okay weirdly that's one of the very few things where it isn't uh pound to dollar equivalent uh for it this year so don't know why but okay I think that covers everything at least as much as we can so far so at least the big question if someone wants to get in touch with you perhaps via your larded uh airpods what's the best way for the them toet you at the moment you can find me on midon that's really the only place I'm active these days uh but you can always email me of course William and I's emails will be at the top of any story we write on Apple Insider so just click that click our name and it will automatically open an email sheet to us so there you go yeah and if you can any email to me if you could please head it uh William you you really want an iPhone 16 Pro Max that would help me psychologically uh we should say before we go on to well before we go or and we go on to up inside the plus there is also a homekit inside every Monday and there a lot going on with that Ikea is finally bringing out it's m support thing I've just been hearing about like for real this time yes I'm sure Andrew will be covering that at some point you know this Monday yeah so this Monday as you listen uh we're getting more info from IFA conference where a lot of stuff was announced and I I'm not going to be on this week because uh I I'm not going to say the title cuz I can't remember which guy it could be the CEO but we got a nano Leaf guy a very important person Nano Leaf guy I forget his name as well I am terrible at this guys sorry but anyway Nan Leaf guy will be there to talk on Monday's episode tune into to that or watch it on YouTube We also do a video component so uh homekit Insider is always fun I'll be back in a couple weeks to dive into nothing that happened with homekit during the Apple event uh but in the meantime basically Andrew Ohara got a better offer from some gizer from n leave so that's what's happening this Monday uh W and I will be back next week on the Apple inside of podcast unless you are an appid plus thing in which case we'll be back in about 10 seconds with apple Insider plus but first thank you very much for listening thank you too to our sponsor this week one password I really like one password I'm glad they're supporting the appid of podcast and we'll speak to you next time yeah we'll talk then and donate to St Jude it's cancer awareness month for children do it talk to you all then byehello I'm William Gallagher and this is the intelligent Apple Insider podcast which this week is sponsored by the intelligent one password and I'm joined by the oh you know actually I was I really I'm making a crack about how apple is wedging in the word intelligent they do everything especially in the event with the Apple watch which isn't having having Apple intelligence they get putting it in anyway but actually it occurs to me now where's hilard surely I can introduce uce you as an intelligent can't I yeah oh terrible I was quite pleased with that I just popped into my head it came out perhaps we can just move on then uh at this precise moment if you hear this podcast the second it comes out there's a little chance that the Apple Store is already down and it's certain that later today it'll go down and then it'll come back up and everybody be very frustrated because it will come up in different times for everybody it's never on the time Apple says but it can vary by minutes and people be out there frustrated trying to get through but lucky few will get in we'll order straight away whatever they want and then the rest of us have to wait a little bit unless you are in fact wad in which case none of this matters to you you're already set whereas you've got your iPhone pro upgrade program sorted haven't you yes uh turns out apple has a time limit on that this year um as as we record on Thursday 9:00 p.m. uh Pacific you would not be able to pre-order anymore as far or pre-prepare anymore uh I think used to you could go in up to the hour and just fill out the little forms and be ready to go so I think Apple's trying to curtel the uh last minutes people and maybe reward the ones that um get ready ahead of time so I I did that on um Monday pretty much right after the event and I've been ready to go all week already ordered my Apple watch I'm glad they did that so you could pre-order on Monday and I get mine on release day the titanium series 10 um in Black that's going to be really nice and then uh yes and that means all I have to do tomorrow morning or Friday morning is order my phone and I'm done right so even though you're going to the iPhone upgrade program you still have to go through the pre-order stage uh tomorrow it doesn't roll out to you through some separate process but it's yes but it's like three buttons you click you you go to the store you hit your preconfigured order you hit uh complete I think you have to accept an agreement and then and then it uh says then it cycles and then you're done so you're you're really it's really really fast especially if you've preconfigured and I've already chosen the 16 Pro Max and um I don't know what they're calling it anymore uh black titanium I suppose and the uh one one terab option so my payments actually stayed identical year over year right three whole buttons so God it's just what are they playing at I me it's like animals you should be able to just go yeah buy two buttons get one free okay uh I can't remember is one terabyte the top range or do the iPhones go to two terabytes this year uh no I think it's one in the iPhone two and the iPad that's what I'm thinking of right so you've maxed out in every sense of the word okay y so it's 7 74 and change per month for that uh particular model yes the at the lower end it's closer to $35 uh if you just get the entry level iPhone so that's the range you're working in and honestly a $40 difference can make or break some people I understand that but it's not it's not that big a difference overall between the lowest iPhone and the biggest iPhone on the upgrade program it's kind of impressive and you get Apple Care Plus and everything else with it so I always recommend people like don't bulk at the prices so much look at the monthly and if you can afford it go for it but I know there you know there are many people out there where uh asking to pay $10 a month for Apple music can be a bit of a stretch so throwing in a $35 iPhone plan isn't exactly easy no I like to say that my problem with the iPhone upgrade program is that I I would prefer to keep my old Ione around as a spare cuz once I had a big problem and having last year one available to go straight away was a a big saving for me a big time saving a big problem saver but the truth is H do you know that the iPhone upgrade program is actually subtly different all around the world I it started in America so you have the kind of pure original do you know the how the rest of us suffer no idea but all I know is that the upgrade program is kind of a lie in itself cuz it's not really an upgrade program um it's almost identical to these subsidized plans that carriers offer uh you can choose just to keep paying until the phone's paid off there's no upgrade required or if you want really wanted to you could just have two upgrade programs going at the same time and just have keep keep your old iPhone 15 pay and I would continue paying it till next year and get the lease on the new model so like there's nothing in it that says you have to upgrade or you're required to it's just basically a fancy way of saying you're getting a at cost loan Lo there's no interest uh for 2 years and you can choose to um end that loan with no penalty at one year and start a new loan for the next iPhone right as long as you return the old model after one year of payments basically so you pay half of it off give them the old model and then you're allowed to start the new upgrade process again with a new contract so they have to check your credit score every year you have to apply every year and I suppose that's it's a danger some people might not get approved it's not a guarantee that if you even if you have the current iPhone even if you have the current iPhone upgrade program that you're you're not guaranteed to get the next iPhone upgrade program it's kind of interesting but that's just how they do it uh everything you've just said applies everywhere as far as I know uh most of the differences are that Apple partners with a local finance company and they have subtle differences so in the UK I think it's barkle and terms and conditions it's just fractionally different but in the UK as well there is also this you cannot join the iPhone upgrade program online you have to physically go into a store so several years ago I went into a store it is and they looked at me and the way I dressed and they thought you can't afford this no and they wouldn't let me on the program so yeah fine let them be like that you're supposed to do something encouraging there yeah were you wearing kind of a like an Ebenezer Scrooge style like knit cap and pajama pants or I was full on British writer you know the jacket with the leather patches all of that stuff um pencil behind the a I think even I mean apple pencil obviously but yeah okay so I I'm genuinely you had a little sack tied to a stick and you were carrying it just in case you needed a meal on the way okay you're going slightly too far there but all right so I have genuine reasons to be uncertain of whether I want the iPhone program and truly they wouldn't let me on for whatever reason all those years AG go quite worrying at the time I rushed home and checked my credit score and everything seemed okay so I don't know what happened but we're we're of course excited for upgrades and I want to hear from everyone what you ordered you know as the show comes out everyone will have ordered their phones and watches by now uh maybe your new getting some new airpods but I think we should get into the event itself yeah but not quite because you've told me something I didn't know which was basically you're going to get your new iPhone at the same time as everybody else does on September the 20th but that means that you're going to get the watch and the phone all together at the same time is is that not too much goodies for one day there's never such things as too much especially on Apple day like it's it's kind of a little Christmas for us it's a lot of fun yes it is we we'll get into it as we talk about the event but for me it this feels like a light year as far as I mean this this is like a go back in time a little bit and Apple announcing just a watch and a phone and maybe a set of airpods compared to I don't know uh I think last year it was the iPhone Apple watch Apple watch Ultra uh Air airpods Pro 2 no that was spring uh but iPad Mini uh was a couple years ago like it's just these iPhone events can be packed with a lot of different things and this year we kind of just went with the bare minimum less than the minimum because even the ultra wasn't upgraded so I just find it interesting that this is kind of a smaller year one thing to say about that is this week's up inside of plus is about um not specifically the news of the event but the I suppose the flavor of it and how the event compared to it the reactions we've been hearing from other people and things appli plus is the uh adree extended version of the podcast which you can get by subscribing via Apple podcasts or through patreon and we'd love to have you either way but if you are a subscriber that comes at the end so thinking actually of what they launched then I thought we would come away thinking we already knew everything before it was announced we'd heard so many rumors but I was wrong we did not know the correct name for the capture button for example um was there anything else you didn't know before camera control is so awkward because now it's camera control button there's three words really to it you can't just call I know Apple really likes their verb names and they really want to call it the camera control but that just sounds wrong Maybe will get used to it um cuz it's action button right uh but then again it's not face ID scanner right uh so maybe maybe we'll get used to the now name and it'll just become camera control oh we will like uh up to the minute they announced Apple intelligence I I mean I knew people are crossing their fingers saying don't call it Apple intelligence please don't call it and now you don't think about it fact I remember when the MacBook was announced and the Glorious name of the power book was retired forever I thought what anug portm word and now I crave a new Macbook every twice a year so we get used to these things yes I I do want to say that I I was correct there was no Apple watch Ultra 3 it wasn't going to happen this year um totally totally got that right we got an Apple Watch Ultra 2 with a shiny new black color and I know everyone I said I would buy the ultra when it came in black but now it's a generation behind and this new and this new Apple Watch series 10 is running a better processor and has a larger display than the Apple watch Ultra we'll get into that but um as as far as forgotten I had forgotten you said that you would have gotten away with it if it weren't for yourself there yeah so basically we can't trust a single thing you tell us about new things it had it has to at least still be new I I'm not going to buy the year old model just for a color but I and that we'll get into that with the airpods max as well well but the um I think the interesting thing here is we knew a lot uh we had an idea that the Apple watch displays would be bigger while making the body smaller we knew about desert titanium and the iPhone I'm not sure that we knew that they were going to go with the sand blasted uh look on the titanium I really like that um like but that I wonder if that'll feel textured at all that would be nice uh but over overall pretty good year I think the biggest thing we didn't know and we'll never know is colors so vibrant on the iPhone 16 um but otherwise pretty pretty straightforward year as far as iPhone releases go uh we did not know about visual intelligence they kept that one under wraps completely yeah except I have a problem with digital intelligence I mean actually loads of questions about it uh the problem first Apple has been chowing off things like this for quite a while like the ability to idea plant and I think for a time that was only in the US because my wife actually had to buy an app in the UK in order to do it I've managed to pull it off with something in the photograph but not consistently so this identification not you going online to check things that was already there but now apparently you can do it with dogs as well so well we can get into it let's uh we're bouncing around a little bit here at the start let's let's go through the event we don't have to go in event order I kind of organized our list by kind of importance or uh directness so let's talk about first off start with the phone the phone's the one to start with is that where you think as well no yes but before we get to that what did you think of the opening uh video that we got this year uh not as moving as some videos but still of lifting quite heartening I thought just this this will sound weird it felt more like an advertisement than usual like that's that's a commercial Apple would run uh whereas normally the pre-event videos are more of a storytelling moment um almost cuz they can't they they never really use those as ads because they're they're long and they don't get the point across um directly so they they don't really work as ads this one kind of works as an ad and uh that was the biggest difference for me I did not realize this until you said that but they actually put on screen so so used this iPhone or whatever for it whereas normally you there's an iPhone in there or something but they pointedly do not single it out and I think that's one of the uh artistically good things about them but also commercially confident things that they can just show it in action and trust that we will get it from the Apple logo at the end here yes you're right it was it was they didn't exactly include a price but it was heading towards that way good point I wonder if that's what just slightly pulled it back for me as well there's we can get into that in apple Insider plus because there's a lot about this presentation I think that differs from other Apple events that makes this feel a little bit more droll than Apple's usual Apple events but that's all that's all I'll say here uh iPhone 16 what do you think where where where we at here what what do we got well I'm actually quite impressed uh every year I go through this thing of if I'm going to buy a phone should it actually be one of the regular models or the Pro and it's going if I do it this year it'll be a pro but for a while there I was thinking this is actually rather nice as a regular iPhone I think I'm actually really very taken with the camera control uh feature and that sways me a lot but I do also like the colors and I like the whole thing I mean I don't think I'm going to buy an Apple Vision Pro but to be able to take photographs that I will L to using them I can see me taking some with an eye to the Future um you went pro straight away so do you are you not impressed with the regular model it's not that uh obviously if this was the only choice I think it'd be an excellent one um there's just enough on the pro that I care about that I want it more uh I could live with an iPhone 16 I think like it's still running iOS it's still a powerful processor it gets Apple intelligence 48 megapixel main camera uh you have the um nice now for the first time I don't know that many people are talking about it but the ultrawide has autofocus which allows it to do macro which was always a pro feature till now so even that has come to the standard iPhone I could really a lot of my workflows and a lot of my photography and a lot of stuff could come to the iPhone 16 pretty easily and I I like that uh the battery life is a lot better we get Wi-Fi 7 vibrant bright colors I really like that ultramarine everyone's talking about it um and then we get the hardware accelerated Ray tracing for video games uh just a lot of good features here I think what um surprised me the most I think was uh the inclusion of the capture button on or the camera control on every model including the standard iPhones and I think that's excellent that's a good move by Apple cuz um everyone buys an iPhone for the camera it shouldn't be a pro feature I'm half embarrassed to say this uh but but I'm going to uh I have a problem with the cameras on iPhones in that I really don't understand the different lenses the options for it I I point at something and I press the button if it isn't clear then I'll fiddle with the focus yes and if it's too far away well I suppose I'll Zoom but usually I'll just walk over to it and take the photograph so things like the 48 megapixel thing but you can have a 24 megapixel version of the shot how you choose that when you would uh honestly it throws me so maybe we should have some sort of Apple Insider guide to what William should be doing with this camera I'm wondering who to ask to write that what you're doing is fine uh zooming with your Feet's always better than zooming with your lens um definitely one of the and there and I know there's people out there listening there's no zoom on iPhone you're just changing to different focal points I get it uh people always get upset when we say Zoom when we mean just switching cameras uh cuz there is the 5x telephoto on the Pro Models um and there's only the standard modes now there is is a 2X uh camera on this but that's because it's cropping into the sensor on the main camera and then you default to a 12 megapixel photo um which are fine 12 megapixels is what we've had since the iPhone 6 with the with 4K video um it's a it's an excellent range to shoot at all pixels really mean is how big the image can be when you blow it up 12 megapixels you're you know uh you're going to start seeing a little bit of the edge a little bit of the pixelation some you know it's it's going to stop looking like a goodlooking photo the bigger it gets the good thing is though you can edit around that that's why Apple's shot on iPhone campaign has been able to go on billboards despite being on uh phones pre 12 megapixels um photos are just weird that way but as far as we're concerned like once you get to 12 megapixels that'll fit comfortably on a 4K television without um needing to to without looking uh zoomed in basically without looking blown up uh 48 megapixels basically multiplies that by 4X um on all on because it's 2x on both sides so you can blow it up much larger you're getting towards uh poster board billboard size of just without blowing up the pixels again editing allows you to get around that how Apple produces those Billboards it's very interesting they most of them are actually painted on by people um some some of them are uh the the weird photocopy like 3D roller kind of thing they're it's it's fascinating but at the end of the day they produce beautiful photos point and shoot you you you William are doing it right honestly the pro people that need to know all that stuff are going to use it and make some glorious photos with it but normal everyday people being able to just point shoot and take good pictures that's the whole point that's the whole reason it's there I've actually seen little documentaries about people painting Billboards and it just never occurred to me that Apple would do the same of course they would but totally different completely stepping away from that you mentioned something else there that actually I missed uh during the event he said Wi-Fi 7 is in the iPhone 16 uh is that actually any use at the moment well um it's useful to me because uh there was also an important announcement this week uh Sony PlayStation 5 Pro is coming uh so just like the iPhone 15 pro has more cameras I'm joking okay but I've never even seen this device so I just believed every word you said there but okay but uh it also comes with Wi-Fi 7 so now I'm suddenly two devices in with Wi-Fi I need to replace my routers I'm going to redo my whole entire home network around this no Wi-fi 7 is excellent for a lot of things because it's not just the range of reach and power and uh download speeds the routers that you buy with this feature are also going to be jam-packed with Technologies for modern use like matter and the smart home uh slower devices it's going to account for a lot more modern-day uses versus this lyus router which is excellent but I believe it's been the same router for several years now and it's not aware of a lot of the modern Technologies going on so uh Wi-Fi 7 by itself just gets you better uh connections without drops um further distances it's a stronger radio just there's a lot of little things there uh it increases your base download speed uh lots of stuff I don't have the exact specs in front of me but it's it's beneficial for most people they're never going to notice for another five six years until they need a new router I don't know why that leads me to this uh thinking of new features in the iPhone 6 am I right that you take more still photographs than video uh by far yes I I do video very rarely but when I do it's very intentional um I've I've played with these new modes and again with the um excellent like slow motion uh we'll get to the pros in a moment but there's a lot of good stuff in apple video right now that I'm really tempted to try and I've been over the years increasing the amount of video I take just because iPhone is such a good video camera but I definitely specialize in and still photography I shoot primarily at the um what is it the 1 Point 1.5 I believe uh it's one it's 1.0 1.3 and 1.5 I think are the three ranges and I you're not a a 0.5 kid no hang on a 0. five kid that's that's what the cool kids are doing the fs I'm not up I've just got the term wrong but okay no you're right uh 0. five photos uh they're very popular for the fact that they they're very memeable you can make people's foreheads gigantic but um I default to the 1.5x lens so I I prefer portraiture I'm I do take some landscape photos but I also enjoy macro a lot I like getting close to things and seeing what they look like yeah me too uh in that I I love macro stuff but generally then I'm more of a video guy than you I shoot one YouTube video more or less a week or so but the thing with mine is uh the only kind of dialogue in it is me yapping to camera and something I think I'd like to try on the iPhone 16 is this new uh audio mix they've done where you post production it seems uh just like the way you can do Focus changing that you can do audio changing and bring up someone else's dialogue and switch between them I I'm fascinated to see how that works and I think it's all tied down to whatever Alchemy there is that so you know in logic pro the way you can remove vocals to strip out music this feels like it's the same technology and in the pro versions or the iPhone there the I think the same tools in the voice memos uh example they gave but I'm terribly interested to try this I just need these devices they're they're packed with microphones so they're there's so many microphones that they can they can pick each sound and focus on that sound with each microphone and kind of separate them uh physically allowing the recording to be moved but like I can see the uh Studio level recording being great for voiceovers I I recorded a home I was looking at to purchase uh I walked through with a video and was describing the rooms and what we could do to different areas and that would be a perfect example of just focus on the voice that way there's no Echo there's no background nothing like that um I feel like even though these feel like Pro features there's going to be use cases for everyone here but yeah iPhone 16 I think what uh we'll get to the pros because honestly there's not that much here faster they got the A8 processor the 48 megapixel Fusion camera which I think they're calling it that just because it's uh the combined with the ISP of the a18 they're getting better at that um oh I I forget the name of it every time it's the it's the photo mode people called sweater mode uh at one point but it's getting really good at that vertical stack of images where it's taking 12 pictures and combining them into one excellent photo uh and because of that that Fusion name is coming in but um lot a lot of good features here the spatial video recording for Apple Vision Pro is great uh funny enough that one tidbit still 1080p still 30 frames per second really I missed that too okay well actually I I mean who needs to know here's some inside information that's only Secret cuz nobody could possibly care uh during the night of an Apple event and everybody on Apple insid is working on it you get assigned a certain piece of do and as it happens I got to write about the iPhone 16 but that meant while Apple was going on about the iPhone 16 Pro I totally missed it because I was writing still about the 16 things I've actually just made a hand gesture of fast typing uh for it so on the night I didn't see about the 16 Pro which is the one I'm tempted to buy I kind of had to catch up and I found when I was catching it up I was kind of skipping through it to find out what was new and they didn't feel like an amazing amount except I quite like the desert titanium color um what's actually new in the 16 Pro compared to the 16 well before we get to that let's let's start with what's similar um let's let's talk about camera control cuz it's the same across both systems well that was my assumption that everything in the 16 is in the 16 Pro is that too crude an assumption every well so everything in the 16 is in the Pro and the pro gets some extras on top right okay good okay so um the similar stuff I mean I rewatched all the camera control stuff because I knew that would be on the pro things as well so that's all set I didn't finish saying actually my problems with yeah do you have a minute for my problem with camera control it's just a side step um no no we're we're doing camera control now so let's go into it okay yeah I tell you what let's make this a chapter chap everything so it's official I haven't just wandered back in my head this is always planned here my problem is there was that great example of that you can show look at the a building or something and it will be you'll see the details for it the one way you look at a theater poster and it puts all the details in your calendar that is just crazy brilliant I'm astounded that that exists in the world and I love it and I will use it so much but the one way you look at a restaurant where does that information go the example was here's a guy looks at a restaurant there are all the details in the menu and he wanders off happily where is it saved so that I can look at it again when I'm hungry later on have I got to go back to the building I or is it all added to my contact list because I pass a lot of restaurants you know that I'm never going to go in so I want to know do you understand more about this than I do so William's describing visual intelligence uh this is a specific feature attached to the capture button which I or the camera control which I believe is maybe exclusive to the Pro Models or is that coming to every model that's something I kind of missed I believe this is an ex uh I think so but I'm not sure either it's don't you find all of this stuff uh with apple intelligence it's quite confusing because it is rather than this separate thing you use it's seeped into everything and it's coming out in stages so knowing where everything is I think it's exclusive to the iPhone 16 lineup so all all the iPhones can do visual intelligence so cool good uh so this is a step so camera control we'll get to that in a second that's specific for taking photos but visual intelligence you press and hold on the camera control button and um it launches into a viewfinder now in this viewfinder you'll find a unique set of UI options because it'll just be a clear camera feed and then the the bottom corn is kind of like on the Lo screen one button takes you to chat GPT the other button takes you to Google search um which implies perhaps a Gemini so uh GPT search will kind of one example was what is uh this math or something I'm looking at and it helped uh it put GPT through the problem uh whereas Google search was better for like a a concert poster but at the end of the day what is happening here is this is basically the um Google Lens functionality uh being brought front and center to iPhone none of this is actually new you've been able to do all of this Apple's using something called Data detectors uh which is existed for a very long time like if you're on a web page and there is a date and it's highlighted blue you can click on it and it will add to your calendar it's doing the same thing here it's just being integrated into Apple intelligence a little more specifically they're probably getting better at detecting dates that's there's a reason why this is an a apple intelligence feature but overall it's just like the poster I don't think it's uh looking up the concert information because again Apple intelligence is local to your device what it's doing is it sees that it's a concert poster it understands that uh so it takes the title adds that to the title field takes the date adds that to the date field and then if there's a QR code it'll add the URL to the UR field and that's what it's doing there it is intelligent and it is a smart way of doing it but it is actually below the surface not that complex and it's something your phone's been able to do technically for a while third party apps people have figured out how to do similar text detection and data detection this is why M magicians never tell their secrets I was so impressed and now I'm thinking no I knew about data detectors I I I'm used to it in emails and things when invitations come through but yeah that old stuff with a nice thing boring yeah there's also something on iPhone that's been there for years now called um visual what is it called it's it's the thing so if you're ever in a photo and you see the sparkly glittery stuff on the eye the info button um that means there is a uh visual search thing available there you tap it it opens and it will tell you what breed of dog what kind of bug what kind of plant if you're in a location that the uh geolocation understand understand and the inference from the photo understands it will tell you about that Monument or that um City Town whatever or uh in this case you said restaurant well the restaurant it's all on device data but part of your on device data is geolocation it knows physically where you are it has access to Apple Maps data this is where Apple intelligence gets a little more fuzzy Apple intelligence is on device but your device is also connected to the internet now Apple intelligence isn't going online but all that information is locally saved so knowing where you are what restaurant could be near you and seeing the name of that restaurant in that physical location gives it everything it needs and it can basically do a simple web search and and pull just like using the summary feature in Safari pull the uh menu or phone number or address book for that place and you're asking where does all this go well there is a new location feature in Maps where uh you have a locations library and so when you probably view a location through Visual intelligence you can probably add it directly to your location's library and Apple Maps oh I did not know that that's really good you just put back in my head though that I it's unated previously on the upand side of podcast I have complained quite a bit that if I get into car and I ask um let's say call her Iris I ask Iris to take me to my mom's using Apple Maps and it will do it it'll bring up the maps but it will say at the same time it will say you don't appear to have an app called maps in your life it's right there oh good that's gone that is fixed but if I just say uh take me to my mom's it goes I have I can't remember the phrasing but I have no thin clue who you mean so okay somewhere along the line it's reset all the um relationship stuff so I said Iris the my mother's is this and it went well thanks but I already knew that it actually used those words so calmness a location thing I'll just go to recent locations then and find her that way make sure your mom has a nickname field and add mom to the nickname field or Mom or uh mother however you say I should explain for British uh listeners mom is in Britain we tend to think that Mom is an americanism but actually uh I'm in Birmingham in England and an Irish background so Birmingham Irish it is Mom as well but I it's weird how I have had people get very upset with I not saying mom also it's very hard to buy a birthday card with mom in the UK really hard tell you that but anyway so location getting better in maps I like this I want this so focusing in of we're still on the capture control uh visual intelligence one last thing I did notice there's a lot of memes going around I don't know if you saw this part of your of the internet but people we're making very much fun of the scene in the uh visual intelligence sequence of a person taking a photo of a dog using visual intelligence to find out the dog breed and everyone says why don't you just ask the dog walker what the breed of the dog is now here's the thing two things one if you watch the thing he does talk to the dog walker he he's not audible yeah yeah yeah there's a voiceover so he's not audible but he does speak to the dog walker so he's not a opth sneaking up on people taking photos of their dogs and second of all not all dog owners know everything about their dog bre like they'll just be like well I've I've had people tell me that their dog is like some combination of 17 things and it turns out they're just a husky um right like or uh this the shepherd hurting dog they'll I had a mut that was just this yellow thing that could have been anything on the planet Apple's visual search never could figure that out um but at the end of the day it's it's just fun maybe this person wanted to uh have a dog like it and added it to its visual intelligence Library uh by seeing like what it is like oh this is great save it for later open it in Safari whatever um there's any number of reasons you could do this even though the person will directly tell you it's actually this dog it's still not that weird to be like oh this is cute can I take a photo I it's it happens all the time people like photos of dogs and adding that extra visual intelligence flavor to it may be a little odd to us who aren't used to it but I really find those data detectors for this kind of stuff very interesting I I find myself taking pictures of flowers uh and bugs and bees and 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Apple watch and the person who was taking the money went oh get you modern technology I think it's 10 years old that I've been able to do that so we get used to things by using them but they'll still look odd to others but if you have excused the dog guy and explained that he not someone to run away from um I'm going to come back to this point when we talk about airpods because I have a problem with airpods in a similar kind of way but still I I I pressed you too much on the camera control button I didn't really realize till I said it to you that I'm I'm hooked on that that's probably the reason I'm going to buy other advantages to the pro and I would accept great colors well we still haven't talked about camera control in all this time just real quick camera control what it actually is because all we talked about was visual intelligence that's true that's obviously the BD I like but yeah the photography side yes so so you want the control for visual intelligence or for photography I'm a little confused here oh it sounds like uh I'm I'm addicted to the visual intelligence style but I do have a secret plan for a thing I'm going to film with a zoom using it that's secret uh I'll be able to zoom though that's what you're telling me well uh you've always been able to dial in to the digital zoom on the lenses using a slider on screen but now that slider is moved to a physical control on the side of the phone there's different interaction methods you can uh tap uh to summon the menu to start swiping uh the first tap is your like you said your Zoom I know people again are cringing out there it's digital Zoom I get it uh but and then you're swapping lenses between F uh focal links uh second if you double tap you open a menu for precise control over are you in portrait mode or are you in this mode um can you set this setting whatever uh a press and holds uh we'll start recording video and um a firm press down will take a photo uh so there's a lot of cool stuff here the um one thing that did not happen uh we did not get the half press to focus and full press to shoot and we did not get the focus control so we don't have a variable aperture so neither of those things happened here but I think still there's plenty of great control options in this button you have touch force touch and capacitive touch all in one button what do you think about the position of it fine uh this is the natural place to put a camera button um Sony's been doing it for years the Sony Xperia line has a physical button it's not it's not this fancy but it does they do have a shutter control and I believe Camera Launcher button uh on the side of the phone same identical location it makes sense it's just when you're holding your phone on the side camera's on the top corner of the phone that is where a camera shutter button should be by Design if you're taking photographs in landscape which you should then I think it's perfectly positioned but they did show some people um Maniacs shooting Port tra and in that case it felt like your thumb had to be in quite an odd place I think I was expecting it to be up by the action button I don't know why well so you still have the option of controlling the shutter with the volume buttons I believe uh but that but see now you're thinking of it funny because if I have my phone in hand right now and when I'm holding my phone um one way my thumb is where the uh capture control or I keep doing this camera control um my thumb is where the camera control is the only way I can take it with the volume buttons If I shift the phone all the way down in my hand with my uh index finger on the volume button and my thumb on the power button which how many times have you or anyone listening tried taking a photo with a volume button and your thumb accidentally hits the power button you just shut the whole thing off yes when you uh and up there too your index finger if you're using your maybe your middle finger uh to control the volume your index finger can get in front of the lenses very easily so you slide your hand down to where you're gripping it from the bottom as if you're going to scroll Twitter or something uh you move your thumb to the side of the phone and it naturally rests there your index finger is now supporting the back of the phone your other three fingers are on the left side of the phone it's a very natural position and you can lift and press and swipe with your thumb there very easily anyone who doesn't have this phone uh go ahead and do it you can your SIM tray is right there so you actually have a physical indicator there if you have your case off just rub your thumb over that SIM tray holding it in portrait it's actually quite straight forward it's not an awkward position at all you you know I'm doing this okay I think I was holding it a different way to you but okay right maybe I just have incredibly long fingers I don't know well you you you've obviously been trained on an iPhone 16 Pro Max you know your reach is obviously bigger than mine with my poultry Pro but okay you know that scene you know that scene in everything everywhere all at once where the muscle and the like they Flex their finger and it has a finger muscle that's my pinky from holding a an iPhone Pro Max in my hand do you remember that thing in Deep Space 9 when Odo stretches his hand out uh that's oh sorry okay there are cultural references for this are plenty go go watch go watch everything everywhere all at once William if you haven't my goodness no um in any case that's it for the c c uh capture I did it again camera control uh so there's plenty to get into there I'm excited to try it on my phone but we do have a rest of the phone to talk about finally so let's get into the iPhone 16 pro pro Max okay Tetra prism lens on both models uh I'm stuck what else is there that's new Ed IG continues oh yes yes of course um I'm seriously concerned about that size thing because I fancy a bigger one this year I don't know why but they've they've taken my desire and they've made it bigger you see I can make up words as well uh and I don't word Igan is 100% a word it's a dumb word but it is a word I mean much okay well in that case I'm striking out in a new the you heard it here first and possibly last biggera it is bigly okay uh is it too big is it one of the reasons I fancy is it feels like it's a little iPad that size so I will carry an iPad Mini with cellular and use it as a phone I don't care that's what airpods are for I'm not going to hold the thing up to my face that looks ridiculous I have noticed that over the years I think people have forgotten how to use phones because the number of people who you walk by holding the phone to their ear is well it's zero now it's always in front of their mouth well they've always I mean it's an extra to turn on speaker but they all do it uh and this means we get to hear both sides of the conversation thanks enormously uh for that uh but yeah William here's here's how I live my life on the occasional moment my phone rings and it's a phone call my my phone is in my pocket what do I do I do not reach for my phone I look at my watch oh who is it oh this is this is someone I want to talk to attach to my so I actually Loop uh where my you pull your belt through and then you tighten and then you tuck your belt into that little uh extra loop on the other side right to put it away before I do that I Loop a small um thing through the uh gosh I don't have words today on the airpods pro case there's a lanyard there we go a lanyard Loop so I Loop that through and then stick my airpods in my pocket so that they don't sink all the way to the bottom I just grab that lanyard Loop it just fishes the airpods out of my pocket I pop an air pod into my ear press the answer call button and now I am talking on the phone like a civilized human being and I never touched my phone I never even touched my watch and I can get an airpod in my ear in about 4 seconds uh you'll get two rings in and I'm already on my airpods talking and everyone should be going this route just don't don't even answer your phone anymore answer it like airpods are so convenient we will get to airpods in a second but uh the size is not an issue I like that they're getting bigger uh I like that the standard phones are a little smaller to give people a little bit of range of options um even the plus phone is now smaller than the pro Max phone which I think is interesting I'm not going to blanket disagree with you about the way to answer phones uh I do do it differently my phone tends to be out so I have occasionally just called over to Iris and said answer on speaker or quite often place a call on speaker for it and I find that useful uh the reason I won't completely disparage this uh airpods nonsense of yours is I remember actually when the Apple watch came out my wife Angela said there is no chance not one single Pixel of a chance she will ever take a phone call on her Apple watch 3 hours later the phone rang and the book was the the book the phone was in the bottom of her bag she couldn't get to it so she did she's walking down a High Street in Mosley in the UK uh talking on her phone like Dick Tracy and I think she secretly quite enjoyed it in the end um so yeah we we adapt to things and I might try except that means I've got a bu airpods cuz one of mine is horribly broken and can't be fixed and that you're just pushing the price up of my orders this year well I think so I don't think we need to spend too much time on the pro phones they got bigger um we have the Tetra prism on both camera on both phones now um capture button on both devices a18 Pro with the faster processing better GPU better neural engine um we have this is probably the most interesting thing about this phone 4K 120 frame per second video uh which is excellent I will be absolutely taking advantage of that you do not understand how often I take video and I'm like why is it so stuttery really no I've not had that problem ever it depends it depends on how things have gone wrong but yeah it depends on tracking still video where you you're on a tripod looking at one single subject obviously you're going to be crystal clear but if you try to move a centimeter it's just it it breaks down because the refresh rate can't keep up and then you look you play back the video and you got a lot of stutter and movement this I will just film at 4K 120 and use and and then down sample to 60 and then bam now you have this perfectly fluid motion between uh everything like it I think it's going to make video even better on what's already like the best phone for video at this point I do film at the highest possible quality because the other day I realized I'd shot half an hour of something um and there was a shirt I'd left in shot I changed shirts between filming and you could see the sleeve of it and it was all you could look at so I was able to just nudge the screen out a bit because I the quality was good enough for it so I automatically go for the highest quality even though uh I need to add some more action to my videos really to make it worth it but noted I feel like sorry we'll we'll break these devices down into greater detail especially in these upcoming episodes especially once we have them in hand I wanted to say there's one more thing on the proa pro pro Max that is very interesting I don't think it's coming to the standard 16 Line This is improved mag safe up to 25 watt charging and over USBC it appears we're going to get 45 watt charging so both excellent upgrades for charging your iPhone you say that and every time there's any Improvement that is a headline news people are very happy and so there may be something wrong with me but I never I don't care because I put the phone and the watch on to charge overnight they're charged when I go up in the morning that it's fast or shorter doesn't really affect me so um well I tend to wear my watch sometimes at night when I don't want to disturb anyone really uh with the alarm and things and then I got to charge it in the day so I suppose it makes a difference there for for people who have screen times for Tik Tok of about 12 hours a day and Screen times for timu about 4 hours a day I would say being able to quickly charge your phone is important because you do not understand how often my niece will get in my car and say my battery is at 1% and it's like 2 p.m. and it's just like what if how like did you not charge it last night no it was on the charger all night and it was 100% when I went to school this morning how at school especially did you train your battery that much in any case uh it's just more battery life better and more faster charging always better for me and you doesn't really affect us I'm always around 100% myself cuz I just have Chargers everywhere my phone defaults to a max8 uh charger wherever it's lays down at this point but I think we got to uh cover a couple other things before the show ends Apple might have announced something else one of them that I'm really keen on is we started into this a couple of times about airpods I really am torn because I miss my airp basically I've just got one working L little airpod the the right ear airpod left ear one of those I don't always look at it whichever one it is one works one doesn't very upsetting want to buy new quite tempted by the fact that uh noise cancellations come to the cheaper models but I said don't let me out of here without going back to this uh guy that you have explained is not a psycho Apple showed this woman going to buy a coffee and not taking her airpods out while she talked to the vendor and the thing is of course this thing that airpods will go oh you're talking to somebody I'll lower the volume that's fine for you the person you're talking to has not one Thin clue so uh I think I've said this before we had a a politician come to the door uh and she was saying we really want to hear what you say but she was wearing airpods and I'm think yeah you know and I saw a guy on a date once wearing airpods and I I mean I looked at the woman he was with and we she looked back it's like yeah not going to be a second date for it so I don't care how Apple does clever stuff for you it's rude for the rest of the world and I think you don't agree excellent uh have you ever talked to someone with a hearing aid sure so they don't take those out when they talk to you correct quite but recognizably yes the point which is is I don't think they're listening to more interesting podcasts than the conversation I'm having at the moment but did you know hearing aids in the last few years have been able to listen to podcasts and music no I didn't uh you can oh yeah you can buy bluetooth enabled there's a whole feature inside of iPhone for it uh Bluetooth connected headphones made for iPhone made for iPhone hearing aids that can also double as Bluetooth headphones uh they're they're quite interesting and they utilize your hearing Health Data to help uh control incoming audio sound familiar because Apple did announce the hearing test hearing protection and hearing aid features coming to airpods Pro 2 this fall I think it's really clever because we've spent years with airpods and apple showing uh conversation awareness was a a feature a couple years ago Apple spent a lot of time working in It's Perfectly Normal to wear airpods to talk because there's such a stigma around hearing aids that people just won't get them it doesn't matter how bad their hearing is they just refuse because they don't want to be seen as that old person with a hearing aid even though that is not real there so many people it doesn't matter what your age you can have hearing loss and need uh some sort of help here and that's what's great about airpods Pro too getting this feature it's uh Med moderate to severe hearing loss not you know probably not higher grades of hearing loss you'll need a very specialized hearing aid but standard hearing aids can be replaced with airpods Pro to an extent we'll see how all this works uh we'll have to find someone who needs a hearing aid to try it out but the feature I think itself is bril they've been showing people talking with them in for such a long time that now you can just say oh I'm just wearing my airpods using conversation awareness it's not a hearing aid and it removes the stigma entirely and I think that's awesome I have no problem with people wearing hearing aids uh I know plenty people who do I as you can hear I have a lot of problem with people having airpods the fact that those airpods might be being used as hearing aids there's no way for me to know that so I think uh sign yeah well so wear a sign the I think this is one of those social things where humans just need to get over it like with Apple watch checking your watch socially since the invention of watches has always been a sign of I'm bored I need to get out of here and now it could just be I got a text message from my mother you know that kind of thing um and we've it's still kind of a sign cuz you know theoretically if you're interested enough in what's happening in front of you even if you get a notification you can ignore it because you're more interested in the person speaking to you but maybe there's something important coming in you can warn them ahead of time socially again we have to adapt but airpods I think is that next step we need to be able to adapt to the fact of we don't know that person's situation we don't know why they have airpods in if they are talking to me we can only assume that they can hear me talking back and if they're not responding then at that point yes they are being rude and uh we can address them as such but um I think this this is one of those social stigmas that's going to have to move forward just like in a few years we're going to see people walking around with uh some sort of Apple Vision headset glasses in modern society and having conversations with fake eyeballs including your uh Town police officers ah oh I see what you did out nice there you threw me the ball there because there is a a application is Orange County is looking to buy Apple Vision Pro I mean you're an apple Vision Pro so you understand this better than me they not just going to get it to watch the Star Trek Experience or whatever it is that I quite fancy seeing they have a legitimate real purpose which yes is so little little segue uh so the Orange County which is a part of La in California for those who didn't know um they are working with apple along with other police precincts I believe mostly California because it's local um they've been working with apple and training up to make their surveillance uh stations run on Apple Vision Pro instead of multiple expensive monitors and computers they can just do it all on a headset that they wear this doesn't mean you're going to get pulled over and a cop's going to walk up to you wearing an apple Vision Pro not yet anyway um right now they say they're too heavy for patrol work but uh what they want to do is turn these you've seen them in TV shows they're very exaggerated but uh the modern version of them I've seen they're very as basic as you can imagine basically old windows monitors stacked on top of each other with held together with tape and a couple of computers creaking by on Windows 7 maybe Windows 11 uh and they're receiving information from their police forces uh they're receiving maps and photos and data and they're trying to help position police officers strategically they're they're investigating a case what have you this surveillance Center this Intelligence Center is run by all this hardware and it can be expensive well if you put it all into one $3,500 headset still pricey but you know as as we know in America police have a lot of money um they can afford this and they would be able to use this to help in just lay out all the windows investigate a scene look at maps and data and the officer uh and the the uh I forget what they're called the guy in charge said that uh he was very happy with how the demo worked out and they're going to start training with it and working with apple and how to make this work for the police force and funny enough now I we can't I'm not going to say he's a liar but we can't really know how true this is but quote unquote Apple told me that will there will be a lighter one coming soon or there's a second generation that will be lighter uh because he's interested in using these as for patrollers who walk through a neighborhood and it could pop up an augmented reality and tell them crime rates in the area or incoming data about ongoing investigations could be seen in the headset it's all very straight out of sci-fi um this is separate from anyone's opinions on police so keep you know we understand there's a lot of stigma there in America right now but I think this is a cool application of the technology it reminds me very much of a video game called Heavy Rain which I use an image of in the story uh of a police officer that uses augmented reality to solve crimes so when will we see this on CSI po gosh I can't wait until some the day comes that NCIS something uh copertino someone's wearing an apple Vision Pro to do an investigation like that would be hilarious I can't wait but then when if they're the good cup the bad cup comes in and says enhance it you know they're going to have to take off the the headset do the adjustment for another user put it on I can see that being quite a slow kind of scene but okay that might be my drama view coming out I so we're run we're running to the end of the episode we got to cover the iPhones in a little bit of detail funny enough there's still so much to talk about just even just the iPhones but let's do a quick rundown Apple Watch series 10 bigger display thinner you can now play audio directly from the Apple watch on your wrist so get ready for people to be on the subway listening to podcast and music from their wrist um making phone calls from their wrist yet again uh but uh I do like they brought back titanium and ditched stainless steel I love it titanium is wait a second I mean I get that you like titanium we've talked about this before for the iPhone but are you anti stainless steel I'm wearing a stainless steel watch right now but they're heavy and uh what's cool is well per four titanium would be in $1,100 range uh and you would have to go way up in price to get it um now they've just taken the stainless steel position at $7.99 or $699 I'm sorry and now you can just order a titanium Apple watch standard series 10 in titanium in black and it be this lightweight material on this huge display I I'm excited for it I can't wait to see it they got rid of the red ring to denote cellular which is a nice change um their better uh chipset technology the S10 chipset cool you know we're just you know getting better and better on all these things battery life relatively the same faster charging um but otherwise you know there it's an Apple Watch uh I'm I'm excited for this guy asleep apnea detection was the new health feature no new health sensors just using detection based on algorithms on device and no word of blood oxygen detection no one day one day it will come but well actually you can say the same about sleep Happ here cuz that isn't going to be here yet either um you can almost hear the frustration in the we're still waiting the FDA kind of thing but we're sure it will come soon kind of thing but I'm sure it will so as we mentioned before Apple watch Ultra 2 comes in Black now no Apple watch Ultra 3 no S10 chip in the ultra it's last year's model and a new flashy color at the same price um fine airpods is the remainder of our list uh we talked a little bit about it airpods Max got a new colorway with USBC nothing else changed it has the H1 chip in it still which means none of the new features are in it I'm expecting the reason this happened is they had a bunch of junk in a warehouse they needed to paint a new color and get rid of so uh and bu a new connector on yeah nice colors though they are in I do like the colors yeah I'm just not I'm not going to buy it uh it's the same identical functionality as the ones I'm wearing now and I like the space gray better than the midnight so I'm sticking with it yes it has lightning but I can I can survive with that uh but finally uh we talked about hearing Health already it's going to do um a hearing test built into the OS uh that you can uh wear it for hearing protection for noisy maybe you're walking by construction maybe you're going to a concert you can wear airpods uh to protect your ears at a loud concert I've seen people do it um finally though all that hearing stuff's exclusive to airpods Pro 2 airpods 4 is not getting it despite having the H2 chip I believe uh it has something to do with the sealing the ear with the uh inserts so finally airpods 4 there are two models a low-end model and a high-end model and they replace the existing airpods 2 and airpods 3 at those price points anything from you William no only that I was quite I don't know why I was so pleased about this that the uh higher price airpods for the case has a a speaker on it cuz I did lose my airpods once for several months and they turned out to be within a meter of where I was sitting almost every day so that would have been quite handy for it I like that yeah the delineation between models is so much better this time around 129 gets you airpods they do the airpods thing with the switching and the connecting and Apple's audio with H2 chip um they do the uh Apple Vision Pro H2 to H2 connection for lossless streaming and all that stuff everyone gets that as long as you have an H2 chip so in the newer devices so great second uh you the charging case only charges over Chi No it's not even that the 129 model is just USBC you get no wireless charging no nothing other than the USBC port and when you use fine my it's for Bluetooth only no speaker Grill no U1 chip the 179 model adds in a and C even though there's no ear tips which also gets you transparency mode and it gets you conversation awareness and it gets you a MAG safe charging case with fine my and a speaker uh but no U1 finding no Precision finding that is preserved for airpods pro which is still 249 I believe or maybe 229 I can't remember and that one is the whole sheing every every feature I like I like this lineup curiously enough just out of interest uh airpod Pro to uh is $249 and 229 so you had both numbers right there okay weirdly that's one of the very few things where it isn't uh pound to dollar equivalent uh for it this year so don't know why but okay I think that covers everything at least as much as we can so far so at least the big question if someone wants to get in touch with you perhaps via your larded uh airpods what's the best way for the them toet you at the moment you can find me on midon that's really the only place I'm active these days uh but you can always email me of course William and I's emails will be at the top of any story we write on Apple Insider so just click that click our name and it will automatically open an email sheet to us so there you go yeah and if you can any email to me if you could please head it uh William you you really want an iPhone 16 Pro Max that would help me psychologically uh we should say before we go on to well before we go or and we go on to up inside the plus there is also a homekit inside every Monday and there a lot going on with that Ikea is finally bringing out it's m support thing I've just been hearing about like for real this time yes I'm sure Andrew will be covering that at some point you know this Monday yeah so this Monday as you listen uh we're getting more info from IFA conference where a lot of stuff was announced and I I'm not going to be on this week because uh I I'm not going to say the title cuz I can't remember which guy it could be the CEO but we got a nano Leaf guy a very important person Nano Leaf guy I forget his name as well I am terrible at this guys sorry but anyway Nan Leaf guy will be there to talk on Monday's episode tune into to that or watch it on YouTube We also do a video component so uh homekit Insider is always fun I'll be back in a couple weeks to dive into nothing that happened with homekit during the Apple event uh but in the meantime basically Andrew Ohara got a better offer from some gizer from n leave so that's what's happening this Monday uh W and I will be back next week on the Apple inside of podcast unless you are an appid plus thing in which case we'll be back in about 10 seconds with apple Insider plus but first thank you very much for listening thank you too to our sponsor this week one password I really like one password I'm glad they're supporting the appid of podcast and we'll speak to you next time yeah we'll 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