AMD 5800X3D and 5900X: The Battle for Gaming Supremacy

In the world of high-performance computing, AMD's 5800X3D and 5900X are two CPUs that promise to deliver unparalleled gaming performance. However, both processors have their own set of features and specifications that make them appealing to different users. To put these CPUs into perspective, let's start with the AMD 5800X, which is expected to sell for around $450 at MSRP.

The AMD 5900X, on the other hand, boasts an impressive 12-core, 24-thread configuration, making it a formidable competitor in the gaming realm. However, its price tag of $450 is still lower than that of the 5800X3D, which will retail for $450 as well. The difference lies not just in their prices but also in their core count and thread count.

The AMD 5800X3D features an impressive 8-core, 16-thread configuration, making it a great option for users who want a balance between performance and power efficiency. However, the question remains whether its lower core count and thread count make up for its higher price point compared to the 5900X.

To determine which CPU is the better value, we need to examine benchmarks and real-world performance. While AMD claims that the 5800X3D is the "world's fastest gaming CPU," we'll take a closer look at this statement in the coming weeks.

The AMD 5800X3D will be available on April 20th, which marks a new era for the company's CPU lineup. This release date comes after other CPUs like the 5900X and marks the beginning of the end for AMD's existing Zen 3 architecture. With the upcoming launch of Zen 4, AMD is expected to shift its focus to newer architectures.

In the meantime, AMD has announced that version 1207 of their AJISA binary will be available on 300-series motherboards that support it. This update enables Zen 3 architecture on these boards, making them compatible with future CPUs. However, users should exercise caution when upgrading their existing systems, as compatibility issues can arise due to the complexity of modern hardware.

Lastly, AMD has officially released the AGIZA version 1207 binary, which is used by motherboard manufacturers to include in their UEFI firmware. This update will enable Zen 3 architecture on a wide range of motherboards, including those from the 300 series.

In conclusion, while both the AMD 5800X3D and 5900X promise impressive performance, it's essential to consider individual workload requirements when deciding which CPU is best suited for your needs. The 5800X3D offers an 8-core, 16-thread configuration at a lower price point than the 5900X but comes with less core count and thread count. Meanwhile, the 5900X boasts a more impressive architecture but costs more.

The AMD 5800X3D will be available on April 20th, offering users a chance to experience its gaming prowess firsthand. However, for now, we'll need to wait until reviews are published to determine whether this CPU lives up to its claims of being the "world's fastest gaming CPU."

AMD has made it clear that there won't be any additional 3D cache chips released in the near future, including a rumored 5900X3. Instead, AMD is shifting its focus towards newer architectures like Zen 4.

Additionally, we have some trivial but interesting news from AMD. The company has officially announced that the 5800X3D will indeed be called "the world's fastest gaming CPU," although it remains to be seen whether this statement holds true in real-world performance.

Finally, a couple of smaller news items are worth mentioning. First, we now know that the AGIZA version 1207 binary is available on 300-series motherboards that support Zen 3 architecture. This update will enable users to take full advantage of future CPUs, making their systems compatible with newer hardware.

The release of this binary marks an exciting milestone in AMD's journey towards supporting newer architectures and enabling users to upgrade their existing systems without worrying about compatibility issues. However, as we mentioned earlier, it's still essential to exercise caution when upgrading your system, especially if you're using a motherboard from the 300 series.

Lastly, we have some information on the version number of the AGIZA binary that will be used by motherboard manufacturers. AMD has officially released version 1207, which is expected to enable Zen 3 architecture on a wide range of motherboards, including those from the 300 series.

As always, we'll be keeping an eye on reviews and updates as more information becomes available about these CPUs. In the meantime, users can stay informed by following our channel or subscribing to Patreon for exclusive content.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone we have some news from amd's side of things to talk about today uh this is a fairly quick one so amd's got some new cpus in the desktop space this includes the r75800x3d finally coming out that's the v cache version of the 5800 x that andy has been talking about for something like a year now additionally or approaching it anyway additionally we'll be talking about the lower end ryzen 5000 series cpus there's a couple in the 4000 naming as well but overall it's the same architectures that you know is and three and two depending on which ones you're talking about except in general cheaper than the existing version so there's a 5700 x comes down in price from the 5800x previously there's a 5600 non-x which is cheaper than the 5600x and this is very clearly amd's response to intel's thus far very successful alder lake 12th gen cpus so let's talk about the specs today before that this video is sponsored by linode lynnote is a linux server hosting provider that gn has used for nearly a decade now for its own servers alongside dedicated website hosting linux makes it easy to cut out third-party vpn services to build your own vpn that you fully control easily configured via the interface lenoda also has hundreds of guides for custom servers including game server apps like rust minecraft cs go and guides to host your own video calling servers to eliminate third parties lynode is a great way to take back control of software and your hosting and gamers nexus viewers get a 100 credit for 60 days on new accounts at linux.com gamersnexus or click the link below all right so we're going to start out straight away with the specifications the pricing and the release dates just to get the key information out there immediately and these new cpus include some that have already kind of sort of launched in some capacity like the r5 4600g we'll come back to that in a moment but more importantly it's also launching some cpus for the diy space that we haven't seen before other than in rumors so the r75700x the 5600 non-x and the 5500 r5 cpu are the main ones of the lower end cheaper camp today with the 5800 x3d being the high-end cpu coming out and then there's a couple of 4000 series options as well that would compete more with something like a pentium 7 400 class cpu from alder lake or maybe an i3 12 100 app or something like that so for the 5700 x this is a 300 msrp cpu it comes in under the r75800x that's currently available for 360 dollars the 5700x runs eight cores 16 threads and a boost clock up to 4.6 gigahertz with a 65 watt tdp as a reminder this isn't exactly one to one with power the 5800 x is a 105 watt tdp cpu that one came out a while ago so this is not new it's just for comparison it's not a surprise then that the 5800x boosts slightly higher at 4.7 gigahertz instead of 4.6 and it also runs significantly higher at 3.8 gigahertz base clock instead of 3.4 so that's the reason for the tdp reduction and just again tdp and amd's formula does not include power but it is the easiest way to quickly compare things for coolers neither of these includes a stock coolant 5700x does not include a cooler but all the other ones on this list today do well except for the 5800x3d probably doesn't include a cooler either although amd didn't explicitly line that out in the specs table anyway the ryzen 5 5600 non-x is a six core 12 thread cpu that runs 3.5 gigahertz to 4.4 gigahertz for boost and that's supposed to be 200 msrp and just before anyone talks about msrp as a reminder if you haven't looked lately the cpu market is actually doing pretty well stock overall has been good to okay depending on which cpu you're looking at and pricing has been pretty close to what it's supposed to be if not exactly so that's actually been great to see it's a big difference from the gpu market if you haven't looked at the cpu market in a while you should because uh we would expect these prices would be more aligned with reality than a gpu price for example so back to the chart the r5 5600 x is about 230 on amazon right now today and it has the same six core 12 thread setup it runs at 3.7 gigahertz to 4.6 and that puts it at an extra 200 megahertz for 30 dollars both of them even come with the same cooler which is the wraith stealth cooler so the 5600 versus the 5600x at 30 is different it's not as big of a gap as if you just looked at the msrp for the x when it first launched for another new cpu there's the ryzen 5 5500 this is a six core 12 thread part just like the d600 and this one is running at 3.6 to 4.2 gigahertz but it's accompanied by a heavy reduction in cash from 35 megabytes in the previous listing to 19 megabytes in total the pcie generation also changes here so that's a massive uh massive reduction in the i o capabilities chopped down to gen 3 from gen 4. alongside this however the price comes down by 40 to 160 and frankly uh pcie gen 4 is not going to do a lot for you especially the gpu category of things on a cpu of this power level you're gonna be more limited by something else first so that's an okay thing to cut as long as it's actually contributing to the reduction in price which probably it is as for the others they're all on zen two so they're older architecture the ryzen 4000 series cpus already existed an oem only options and pro options for example previously they're just more official now for the diy market with the price ranging from 100 to 150 dollars for socketable cpus the 100 r3 4100 is a four core eight thread part with another big cash reduction this would be the most direct competitor for the current list of pentium 7400 series cpus or maybe in the range of an i3 1 100 f although the r5 4500 might be a closer match up for that one so the 4500 we're actually pretty interested in testing the 4100 will probably run through the bench as well we're curious to see how they perform versus intel's cheaper alder like 12 series stuff because that's carved out a pretty good section on the market for intel at the lower end this time with the i3 12 100 and the i5 12 400 where previously intel was severely lacking but now amd has been lacking because it's only had the 5600x which has been mostly close to 300 up until alder lake so this is potentially a shuffling of that or reshuffling of that to put intel uh on its back foot once again now the launch date for all those is going to be april 4th so that's coming up pretty soon here we'll be trying to review those additionally amd launched more news on its r7 5800 x3d that is the real name if you don't recall the 5800x3d was the well it was part of the technology showcase that was for v cash at the end of one of andy's believe it was computex presentations last year where uh amd ceo lisa sue got on stage and threw it out there the last second talking about how they got a 15 increase in gaming performance allegedly by basically strapping on a bunch more cash to the top of the existing dies under the ihs and this was without changing the z height of the cpu so z height remains the same they've shaved things down a little bit attached to a big l3 cache with a direct copper bond between the two and that's how you get the 5800 xcd so all that stuff's already known if you're curious about some of the technology we talked about it in that original presentation coverage but today the news is really just finalization of the price and the availability so for the 5800x3d this moves to 96 megabytes of l3 cache or totaling closer to 100 if you had l1 and l2 which is what andy does sometimes that's from 32 megabytes of l3 on the 5800 x previously this cpu will sell for 450 usd and that's for the msrp at least and it remains an 8 core 16 thread part for perspective just sticking to amd because it's easier to compare right now the 5900 x today 12 course 24 threads is also 450 obviously that doesn't have the huge amount of cash there's definitely going to be places where for example we've seen this with code compile where sometimes you look at the benchmarks and depending on the way you're compiling the code more cash just means more better on the chart so it depends what you're looking at but if you know your workloads you'll be able to identify whether the additional cash on the 5800x3d is more valuable than the additional cores and lower cash on the 5900x if you don't know your workloads we'll help with that once we benchmark them head-to-head so we'll be able to help you figure out when it makes sense to maybe buy one or the other or of course just go intel with the 12 series instead depending on what you're doing so that's that's going to be our goal now as for the rest the 5800 x3d will be available on april 20th uh so that'll come out after these other cpus at the lower end and the has not announced any additional 3d cache chips at this time there's no 5900x3 if the 9950x3d or anything else on the stack as far as they've publicly shared and really we don't expect anymore just because zen4 is right around the corner so andy's gonna be moving over to whatever they call x670 maybe uh and an lga socket with that crazy looking ihs and zn4 so probably this will be the last round of cpus for the existing zen 3 lineup a couple of additional smaller news items here so first of all amd specifically used the phrase world's fastest gaming cpu for the 5800x3d those of you who know our content know that we don't really take any of those statements at face value we'll be testing it but the fact that andy is saying it suggests that probably in at least some benchmarks if not many of them depending is contesting the 12 900k we'll test that once we get it in but that's uh that's a pretty big claim if it turns out being true additionally the agiza version is now available in a version 1207. ajisa is the binary that's provided to the motherboard manufacturers to include in their bios the uefi so this is where uh support for different cpus and motherboards starts to blend together the 1207 version number of agiza is the one where zen 3 architecture will be enabled on at least 300 series motherboards that support it so this is something andy's making 1207 available it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to incorporate that into their uefi and push out that update publicly so if you have a 300 series board zen 3 architecture will now officially be supported on it as long as your motherboard manufacturer uh includes that ajisa update into its its own code in clarifying statements as well and you noted that even the 5800x3d is included in this how that will scale on 300 series boards 300 series if you recall or if you're on one you probably know were generally more difficult to work with from memory so uh you're more likely to be restrained somewhere in the memory frequency and tuning of memory and overall the memory topology can be challenging to work with depending on the board and the memory you're running so probably it's still not the greatest idea to go out and explicitly seek a 300 series board like if you're buying one to put a new cpu in but if you have one it might be worthwhile trying to upgrade it although this is a scenario where there's enough moving pieces with hardware potentially from 2016 2017 and today that it's probably worth waiting to see if anyone tests with your specific board either in a review outlet or just a forum to potentially save yourself hassle if it ends up not being a great compatibility choice either way number 1207 is what you want to look for in your bios list when you're looking for your motherboard's new bios versions to see if it'll support zen 3. so that's it for the amd news this time very simple stuff this is a an extremely trivial announcement that was basically a spec sheet that's kind of it and some prices some availability so we'll be checking back with reviews on those as always and subscribe for more we have a lot coming up you can go to store campers access dot net or patreon.comgamersnexus.directly and we'll see you all next timehey everyone we have some news from amd's side of things to talk about today uh this is a fairly quick one so amd's got some new cpus in the desktop space this includes the r75800x3d finally coming out that's the v cache version of the 5800 x that andy has been talking about for something like a year now additionally or approaching it anyway additionally we'll be talking about the lower end ryzen 5000 series cpus there's a couple in the 4000 naming as well but overall it's the same architectures that you know is and three and two depending on which ones you're talking about except in general cheaper than the existing version so there's a 5700 x comes down in price from the 5800x previously there's a 5600 non-x which is cheaper than the 5600x and this is very clearly amd's response to intel's thus far very successful alder lake 12th gen cpus so let's talk about the specs today before that this video is sponsored by linode lynnote is a linux server hosting provider that gn has used for nearly a decade now for its own servers alongside dedicated website hosting linux makes it easy to cut out third-party vpn services to build your own vpn that you fully control easily configured via the interface lenoda also has hundreds of guides for custom servers including game server apps like rust minecraft cs go and guides to host your own video calling servers to eliminate third parties lynode is a great way to take back control of software and your hosting and gamers nexus viewers get a 100 credit for 60 days on new accounts at linux.com gamersnexus or click the link below all right so we're going to start out straight away with the specifications the pricing and the release dates just to get the key information out there immediately and these new cpus include some that have already kind of sort of launched in some capacity like the r5 4600g we'll come back to that in a moment but more importantly it's also launching some cpus for the diy space that we haven't seen before other than in rumors so the r75700x the 5600 non-x and the 5500 r5 cpu are the main ones of the lower end cheaper camp today with the 5800 x3d being the high-end cpu coming out and then there's a couple of 4000 series options as well that would compete more with something like a pentium 7 400 class cpu from alder lake or maybe an i3 12 100 app or something like that so for the 5700 x this is a 300 msrp cpu it comes in under the r75800x that's currently available for 360 dollars the 5700x runs eight cores 16 threads and a boost clock up to 4.6 gigahertz with a 65 watt tdp as a reminder this isn't exactly one to one with power the 5800 x is a 105 watt tdp cpu that one came out a while ago so this is not new it's just for comparison it's not a surprise then that the 5800x boosts slightly higher at 4.7 gigahertz instead of 4.6 and it also runs significantly higher at 3.8 gigahertz base clock instead of 3.4 so that's the reason for the tdp reduction and just again tdp and amd's formula does not include power but it is the easiest way to quickly compare things for coolers neither of these includes a stock coolant 5700x does not include a cooler but all the other ones on this list today do well except for the 5800x3d probably doesn't include a cooler either although amd didn't explicitly line that out in the specs table anyway the ryzen 5 5600 non-x is a six core 12 thread cpu that runs 3.5 gigahertz to 4.4 gigahertz for boost and that's supposed to be 200 msrp and just before anyone talks about msrp as a reminder if you haven't looked lately the cpu market is actually doing pretty well stock overall has been good to okay depending on which cpu you're looking at and pricing has been pretty close to what it's supposed to be if not exactly so that's actually been great to see it's a big difference from the gpu market if you haven't looked at the cpu market in a while you should because uh we would expect these prices would be more aligned with reality than a gpu price for example so back to the chart the r5 5600 x is about 230 on amazon right now today and it has the same six core 12 thread setup it runs at 3.7 gigahertz to 4.6 and that puts it at an extra 200 megahertz for 30 dollars both of them even come with the same cooler which is the wraith stealth cooler so the 5600 versus the 5600x at 30 is different it's not as big of a gap as if you just looked at the msrp for the x when it first launched for another new cpu there's the ryzen 5 5500 this is a six core 12 thread part just like the d600 and this one is running at 3.6 to 4.2 gigahertz but it's accompanied by a heavy reduction in cash from 35 megabytes in the previous listing to 19 megabytes in total the pcie generation also changes here so that's a massive uh massive reduction in the i o capabilities chopped down to gen 3 from gen 4. alongside this however the price comes down by 40 to 160 and frankly uh pcie gen 4 is not going to do a lot for you especially the gpu category of things on a cpu of this power level you're gonna be more limited by something else first so that's an okay thing to cut as long as it's actually contributing to the reduction in price which probably it is as for the others they're all on zen two so they're older architecture the ryzen 4000 series cpus already existed an oem only options and pro options for example previously they're just more official now for the diy market with the price ranging from 100 to 150 dollars for socketable cpus the 100 r3 4100 is a four core eight thread part with another big cash reduction this would be the most direct competitor for the current list of pentium 7400 series cpus or maybe in the range of an i3 1 100 f although the r5 4500 might be a closer match up for that one so the 4500 we're actually pretty interested in testing the 4100 will probably run through the bench as well we're curious to see how they perform versus intel's cheaper alder like 12 series stuff because that's carved out a pretty good section on the market for intel at the lower end this time with the i3 12 100 and the i5 12 400 where previously intel was severely lacking but now amd has been lacking because it's only had the 5600x which has been mostly close to 300 up until alder lake so this is potentially a shuffling of that or reshuffling of that to put intel uh on its back foot once again now the launch date for all those is going to be april 4th so that's coming up pretty soon here we'll be trying to review those additionally amd launched more news on its r7 5800 x3d that is the real name if you don't recall the 5800x3d was the well it was part of the technology showcase that was for v cash at the end of one of andy's believe it was computex presentations last year where uh amd ceo lisa sue got on stage and threw it out there the last second talking about how they got a 15 increase in gaming performance allegedly by basically strapping on a bunch more cash to the top of the existing dies under the ihs and this was without changing the z height of the cpu so z height remains the same they've shaved things down a little bit attached to a big l3 cache with a direct copper bond between the two and that's how you get the 5800 xcd so all that stuff's already known if you're curious about some of the technology we talked about it in that original presentation coverage but today the news is really just finalization of the price and the availability so for the 5800x3d this moves to 96 megabytes of l3 cache or totaling closer to 100 if you had l1 and l2 which is what andy does sometimes that's from 32 megabytes of l3 on the 5800 x previously this cpu will sell for 450 usd and that's for the msrp at least and it remains an 8 core 16 thread part for perspective just sticking to amd because it's easier to compare right now the 5900 x today 12 course 24 threads is also 450 obviously that doesn't have the huge amount of cash there's definitely going to be places where for example we've seen this with code compile where sometimes you look at the benchmarks and depending on the way you're compiling the code more cash just means more better on the chart so it depends what you're looking at but if you know your workloads you'll be able to identify whether the additional cash on the 5800x3d is more valuable than the additional cores and lower cash on the 5900x if you don't know your workloads we'll help with that once we benchmark them head-to-head so we'll be able to help you figure out when it makes sense to maybe buy one or the other or of course just go intel with the 12 series instead depending on what you're doing so that's that's going to be our goal now as for the rest the 5800 x3d will be available on april 20th uh so that'll come out after these other cpus at the lower end and the has not announced any additional 3d cache chips at this time there's no 5900x3 if the 9950x3d or anything else on the stack as far as they've publicly shared and really we don't expect anymore just because zen4 is right around the corner so andy's gonna be moving over to whatever they call x670 maybe uh and an lga socket with that crazy looking ihs and zn4 so probably this will be the last round of cpus for the existing zen 3 lineup a couple of additional smaller news items here so first of all amd specifically used the phrase world's fastest gaming cpu for the 5800x3d those of you who know our content know that we don't really take any of those statements at face value we'll be testing it but the fact that andy is saying it suggests that probably in at least some benchmarks if not many of them depending is contesting the 12 900k we'll test that once we get it in but that's uh that's a pretty big claim if it turns out being true additionally the agiza version is now available in a version 1207. ajisa is the binary that's provided to the motherboard manufacturers to include in their bios the uefi so this is where uh support for different cpus and motherboards starts to blend together the 1207 version number of agiza is the one where zen 3 architecture will be enabled on at least 300 series motherboards that support it so this is something andy's making 1207 available it's up to the motherboard manufacturers to incorporate that into their uefi and push out that update publicly so if you have a 300 series board zen 3 architecture will now officially be supported on it as long as your motherboard manufacturer uh includes that ajisa update into its its own code in clarifying statements as well and you noted that even the 5800x3d is included in this how that will scale on 300 series boards 300 series if you recall or if you're on one you probably know were generally more difficult to work with from memory so uh you're more likely to be restrained somewhere in the memory frequency and tuning of memory and overall the memory topology can be challenging to work with depending on the board and the memory you're running so probably it's still not the greatest idea to go out and explicitly seek a 300 series board like if you're buying one to put a new cpu in but if you have one it might be worthwhile trying to upgrade it although this is a scenario where there's enough moving pieces with hardware potentially from 2016 2017 and today that it's probably worth waiting to see if anyone tests with your specific board either in a review outlet or just a forum to potentially save yourself hassle if it ends up not being a great compatibility choice either way number 1207 is what you want to look for in your bios list when you're looking for your motherboard's new bios versions to see if it'll support zen 3. so that's it for the amd news this time very simple stuff this is a an extremely trivial announcement that was basically a spec sheet that's kind of it and some prices some availability so we'll be checking back with reviews on those as always and subscribe for more we have a lot coming up you can go to store campers access dot net or patreon.comgamersnexus.directly and we'll see you all next time\n"