The performance boost achieved by underbolting the CPU in the MSI GS70 5 gaming laptop is quite notable. I initially noted that the CPU only worked wellloads were affecting the result, but even with underbolting, there was still some impact on the overall performance. However, it's worth noting that bolting did help a bit to alleviate this issue.

I've also got the results from the newest Cinebench R20 and similar benchmarks. Full performance wasn't reached due to polymer throttling, even if I took the under voltage further. It was still over 300 points behind an unconstrained score of 8750H in some workloads like running a 264. This shows that while underbolting can help, it's not a silver bullet for all CPU-bound tasks.

I've tested with the exact same Windows, Nvidia, and game updates installed, but only made changes listed here. Far Cry 5 was tested using the built-in benchmark at 1080p at Ultra settings, and there was a 4.6 percent improvement in average FPS with the changes in place. A smaller 3.5 percent boost was seen at 1% settings, depending on the specific game and settings used.

These performance boosts are significant, especially when compared to other laptops tested. The results show that we can improve performance in games with some simple tweaks, even if it's not a huge leap forward for every single game or scenario.

As for external temperatures, I found that it was actually quite warm at idle, with the center of the keyboard reaching mid-40s and being warm to the touch. This is not unusual, given the compact design of the laptop. However, while gaming, the center of the back where the power button is warmed up, as did the left hand wrist rest area due to the discharging battery underneath.

The fan noise produced by the laptop was only just audible at idle with the fans on order. However, during gaming or stress tests running, it got quite loud - more so than most other gaming laptops I've tested. The good news is that the fan can be adjusted at different levels through the MSI Dragon Center software.

One of the biggest compromises of the GS70 5 is thermal throttling in these same workloads with the fans on order. If we boost the fan speed and start underbolting to reduce temperatures, we start reaching the 45-watt TDP limitation of the CPU in some workloads. However, I was able to fully remove this constraint with a -0.2 volt undervolt in certain cases like running a 264.

This shows that it really depends on the specific workload and hardware used. While it would be nice for MSI to allow us to boost the TDP if we have appropriate cooling, I can understand why it's not possible in a thinner machine like this given the performance and temperatures.

After my simple tweaks, I think the GS70 5 is performing fairly well considering its size. However, there is still performance lost due to power limits, which may vary depending on the specific settings used.

In some cases, especially when we're less CPU-bound, the GS70 5 does perform quite well and beats out the competition in terms of performance at the 90-watt TDP level. The included 230-watt power brick seems adequate for this task.

It's worth noting that these differences in performance are not hard and fast rules, as there are different factors that will vary results - such as the temperature of the room you're running in, application of thermal paste, and even the specific hardware used. It may be possible to further improve temperatures by swapping the thermal paste, but this is a review unit, so I couldn't do it.

For most people, underbolting or overclocking their hardware can be much easier, especially with cooling pads or fans. These tweaks did help improve performance of the MSI GS70 V gaming laptop.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthe msi gs70 5 is a powerful gaming laptop but putting high-end specs in a thin machine results in more heat so just how hot does it get in this testing I'll be taking a detailed look at thermals and seeing how much we can improve performance with some simple tweaks the msi gs70 5 is available in different configurations my 8 SG model has the eye 78758 cpu nvidia RT x 28 Emacs q graphics and 32 gig of memory running a dual channel so expect different results with different specs you can find updated pricing for different models linked in the description on the bottom of the laptop there are a few air vents up the back over the intake fans and we'll see how a cooling pad can utilize these soon in terms of heat pipes I didn't actually get a look as the motherboard is flipped and I didn't want to go through the process of disconnecting everything thermal testing was completed in an ambient room temperature of 21 degrees Celsius so expect different results in different environments I've tested idle down the bottom and it was a little warmer than average the rest of the results are from combined CPU and GPU workloads and am meant to represent moist case scenarios the gaming results towards the upper half of the graph were tested by playing watchdog stir as I find it to use a good combination of processor and graphics the stress test results shown on the lower half of the graph from running to a 264 CPU stress dust and heaven GPU benchmark at the same time to fully load the system in all cases I've used the turbo profile for best results and this does overclock the graphics by 100 megahertz on the core and 200 megahertz on the memory let's start with the stress test results with the fan on automatic the default the CPU was thermal throttling at 95 degrees Celsius and once under bolted by minus 0.15 volts the temperature doesn't change once we max out the fans through the Dragon Center software the constant thermal throttling at 95 is removed however that was still into mid and thermal throttling though the average is lower at 92 degrees now when applying the CPU under vault in combination with the fans at maximum there was still some spikes and temperatures that triggered thermal throttling however for the most part the CPU was now constantly Perelman throttling instead with the 40 five what TVP once we add the therm will take massive 20 cooling pad the thermal throttling is finally removed and we see the coolest results from the stress tests yet the gaming results follow a similar trend with intermittent thermal throttling with the fans on order but this could be removed by maxing them out so you could probably find a middle ground by tweaking the speeds in both cases the CPU unbolt doesn't affect the thermals here however we'll see in the next graph how it helped boost clock speed finally up the top we get the best results in terms of temperatures with the cooling pattern use further lowering the CPU by 5 degrees and GPU by 7 degrees these are the average clock speeds for the same tests just shown down the bottom with the stress tests running and fans at automatic we're seeing the lowest clock speeds due to the previously mentioned thermal throttling the undervolt does allow us to boost CPU clock speeds a fair bit third thermal throttling was still taking place we can see that simply changing the fans from order to maximum boosts the clock speed by 200 megahertz not quite as much when compared to the under vaulter combining the CPU under vault with maximum fan speed gave a nice improvement then not really any change with the cooling pad to performance as we're power-limited now and not thermal throttling similar deal with the gaming tasks the biggest improvements to performance were from under bolting the CPU to assist with the power madelung as in general it wasn't running his hot when compared to the stress tests this is what the CPU TDP looked like in these same tests basically any time it's at 45 watts it's palma throttling so only the two tests down the bottom with the fans on order avoided Parliament throttling as that's simply because thermal throttling was taking precedence I wasn't able to boost the TDP using Intel XTU however I think it would be nice to have the option if you're willing to put some effort into cooling the machine as we saw earlier we could lower the temperatures a fair bit so there's some room for possibly boosting the TDP to improve those clock speeds further so to summarise the CPU hits power limits under combined CPU and GPU load preventing thermals from getting out of control the best improvement we could make was by under bolting the CPU which improved performance while additional cooling did seem to help in some cases these are the average clock speeds while under a CPU only workload there's no difference with the fan on order or maxed out as throttling is not taking place under this workload once under bolted though there's a performance improvement scene with the larger minus 0.2 volt under volt allowing us to hit the full 3.9 gigahertz all courts have au boost speed of the 8750 h when we look at the temperatures there's an 8 degree improvement going from order to max fans then no real change with the first under volt as it was still power limit throttling there was no change to TDP and therefore heat the temperature drops one degree with the bigger under multiplied as it was just able to avoid powell modeling in most tests we were hitting the 45 watt TDP limit only the minus 0.2 volt under bolt down the bottom was enough to avoid this and I'll also note that I wasn't able to boost the TDP using Intel X 2 year with the GS 75 to demonstrate how this translates into performance I've got some Cinebench CPU benchmarks here for reference the IEEE 78758 without any constraints should average around the twelve hundred and thirty mark for multi-core so the power limit throttling that I noted in the CPU only workloads was affecting the result though under bolting does help a bit I've also got the results from the newest Cinebench r20 and similar deal full performance wasn't reached due to polymer throttling even if I take the under volt further it was still over 300 points blur other laptops tested demonstrating an overall lack of CPU performance so how do these performance boosts actually translate into games I've tested with the exact same windows Nvidia and game updates installed the only changes were the ones listed here far cry 5 was tested using the built-in benchmark at 1080p at Ultra settings there was a 4.6 percent improvement to average FPS with the changes in place with a smaller 3.5 percent boost at 1% learn this varies depending on the settings but it does clearly show we can improve the performance in games with some simple tweaks if you're off to mole gaming benchmarks from the msi gs70 5 check the card in the top riot where I've tested 20 different games as for the external temperatures will actually be putting your hands at idle it was a bit warmer than average in the middle getting to the mid 30s while gaming the center of the keyboard gets to the mid 40s and is warm to the touch but not hot and then similar results with the stress tests running with a slightly warmer spot in the middle up the back where the power button is while gaming on battery the left hand wrist rest area warms up as the discharging battery is directly underneath as for the fan noise produced by the laptop all a you ever listen to some of these tests at idle with the fans on order it was only just audible while gaming or with the stress tests running and the fans still an order there's not much real difference and at this point it's actually a bit quieter than most other gaming laptops I've tested the compromise as we saw earlier is of course thermal throttling in these same workloads with the fan at maximum speed it does get quite loud however the fan can be adjusted at different levels through the msi dragon center software overall the msi gs70 5 runs hot out of the box with the fans on order resulting in thermal throttling while under combined CPU and GPU stress tests this could easily be reduced by raising the fan speed there and to be fair I think it's good to at least have the option of running the machine quieter if you want to have the choice otherwise once we boost the fan speed and start under bolting to reduce the temperatures we start reaching the 45 watt TDP limitation of the CPU in some workloads such as just running a 264 it was possible to fully remove this constraint with a minus 0.2 volt undervolt however when I tested this in Cinebench aa 20 it was still about 300 points behind an unconstrained 8750 H so just goes to show it really depends on the specific workload while it would have been nice for MSI to allow us to boost the TDP if we have appropriate cooling I can understand why it's not possible in a thinner machine like this considering the performance and temperatures after my simple tweaks I think it's performing fairly given its size however there is performance lost due to power limits rattling for what it's worth at higher setting levels when we're less CPU bound the GS 7-5 does perform quite well in some cases beating at the 90 watt 2080 max-q competition the 230 watt power brick that MSI included with the GS 75 appears to be adequate for these facts I wasn't seeing any battery drain during any of my testing these differences in performance shown aren't hard and fast rules there are different factors which will vary results primarily the temperature of the room you're running in application of thermal paste and even the specific hardware which comes down to the silicon lottery you may not be able to under bolt or overclock your hardware the same as me it depends on the chip and its specific power requirements so don't just blindly copy my settings and do some testing to find out where your stable point is for best results it may be possible to further improve temperatures by swapping the thermal paste however as this is a review unit that I have to send back I'm not able to change the paste otherwise the next reviewer will unknowingly report different results due to what I've done under vaulting boosting fan speed or using a cooling pad are much easier for most people to do anyway and as we've seen these tweaks did help improve performance of the msi gs70 v gaming laptop let me know what sort of performance boosts you found by under vaulting your hardware and what you thought of the improvements here and of course don't forget to subscribe for the full review of the msi gs70 v gaming laptop as well as future thermal testing videos like this onethe msi gs70 5 is a powerful gaming laptop but putting high-end specs in a thin machine results in more heat so just how hot does it get in this testing I'll be taking a detailed look at thermals and seeing how much we can improve performance with some simple tweaks the msi gs70 5 is available in different configurations my 8 SG model has the eye 78758 cpu nvidia RT x 28 Emacs q graphics and 32 gig of memory running a dual channel so expect different results with different specs you can find updated pricing for different models linked in the description on the bottom of the laptop there are a few air vents up the back over the intake fans and we'll see how a cooling pad can utilize these soon in terms of heat pipes I didn't actually get a look as the motherboard is flipped and I didn't want to go through the process of disconnecting everything thermal testing was completed in an ambient room temperature of 21 degrees Celsius so expect different results in different environments I've tested idle down the bottom and it was a little warmer than average the rest of the results are from combined CPU and GPU workloads and am meant to represent moist case scenarios the gaming results towards the upper half of the graph were tested by playing watchdog stir as I find it to use a good combination of processor and graphics the stress test results shown on the lower half of the graph from running to a 264 CPU stress dust and heaven GPU benchmark at the same time to fully load the system in all cases I've used the turbo profile for best results and this does overclock the graphics by 100 megahertz on the core and 200 megahertz on the memory let's start with the stress test results with the fan on automatic the default the CPU was thermal throttling at 95 degrees Celsius and once under bolted by minus 0.15 volts the temperature doesn't change once we max out the fans through the Dragon Center software the constant thermal throttling at 95 is removed however that was still into mid and thermal throttling though the average is lower at 92 degrees now when applying the CPU under vault in combination with the fans at maximum there was still some spikes and temperatures that triggered thermal throttling however for the most part the CPU was now constantly Perelman throttling instead with the 40 five what TVP once we add the therm will take massive 20 cooling pad the thermal throttling is finally removed and we see the coolest results from the stress tests yet the gaming results follow a similar trend with intermittent thermal throttling with the fans on order but this could be removed by maxing them out so you could probably find a middle ground by tweaking the speeds in both cases the CPU unbolt doesn't affect the thermals here however we'll see in the next graph how it helped boost clock speed finally up the top we get the best results in terms of temperatures with the cooling pattern use further lowering the CPU by 5 degrees and GPU by 7 degrees these are the average clock speeds for the same tests just shown down the bottom with the stress tests running and fans at automatic we're seeing the lowest clock speeds due to the previously mentioned thermal throttling the undervolt does allow us to boost CPU clock speeds a fair bit third thermal throttling was still taking place we can see that simply changing the fans from order to maximum boosts the clock speed by 200 megahertz not quite as much when compared to the under vaulter combining the CPU under vault with maximum fan speed gave a nice improvement then not really any change with the cooling pad to performance as we're power-limited now and not thermal throttling similar deal with the gaming tasks the biggest improvements to performance were from under bolting the CPU to assist with the power madelung as in general it wasn't running his hot when compared to the stress tests this is what the CPU TDP looked like in these same tests basically any time it's at 45 watts it's palma throttling so only the two tests down the bottom with the fans on order avoided Parliament throttling as that's simply because thermal throttling was taking precedence I wasn't able to boost the TDP using Intel XTU however I think it would be nice to have the option if you're willing to put some effort into cooling the machine as we saw earlier we could lower the temperatures a fair bit so there's some room for possibly boosting the TDP to improve those clock speeds further so to summarise the CPU hits power limits under combined CPU and GPU load preventing thermals from getting out of control the best improvement we could make was by under bolting the CPU which improved performance while additional cooling did seem to help in some cases these are the average clock speeds while under a CPU only workload there's no difference with the fan on order or maxed out as throttling is not taking place under this workload once under bolted though there's a performance improvement scene with the larger minus 0.2 volt under volt allowing us to hit the full 3.9 gigahertz all courts have au boost speed of the 8750 h when we look at the temperatures there's an 8 degree improvement going from order to max fans then no real change with the first under volt as it was still power limit throttling there was no change to TDP and therefore heat the temperature drops one degree with the bigger under multiplied as it was just able to avoid powell modeling in most tests we were hitting the 45 watt TDP limit only the minus 0.2 volt under bolt down the bottom was enough to avoid this and I'll also note that I wasn't able to boost the TDP using Intel X 2 year with the GS 75 to demonstrate how this translates into performance I've got some Cinebench CPU benchmarks here for reference the IEEE 78758 without any constraints should average around the twelve hundred and thirty mark for multi-core so the power limit throttling that I noted in the CPU only workloads was affecting the result though under bolting does help a bit I've also got the results from the newest Cinebench r20 and similar deal full performance wasn't reached due to polymer throttling even if I take the under volt further it was still over 300 points blur other laptops tested demonstrating an overall lack of CPU performance so how do these performance boosts actually translate into games I've tested with the exact same windows Nvidia and game updates installed the only changes were the ones listed here far cry 5 was tested using the built-in benchmark at 1080p at Ultra settings there was a 4.6 percent improvement to average FPS with the changes in place with a smaller 3.5 percent boost at 1% learn this varies depending on the settings but it does clearly show we can improve the performance in games with some simple tweaks if you're off to mole gaming benchmarks from the msi gs70 5 check the card in the top riot where I've tested 20 different games as for the external temperatures will actually be putting your hands at idle it was a bit warmer than average in the middle getting to the mid 30s while gaming the center of the keyboard gets to the mid 40s and is warm to the touch but not hot and then similar results with the stress tests running with a slightly warmer spot in the middle up the back where the power button is while gaming on battery the left hand wrist rest area warms up as the discharging battery is directly underneath as for the fan noise produced by the laptop all a you ever listen to some of these tests at idle with the fans on order it was only just audible while gaming or with the stress tests running and the fans still an order there's not much real difference and at this point it's actually a bit quieter than most other gaming laptops I've tested the compromise as we saw earlier is of course thermal throttling in these same workloads with the fan at maximum speed it does get quite loud however the fan can be adjusted at different levels through the msi dragon center software overall the msi gs70 5 runs hot out of the box with the fans on order resulting in thermal throttling while under combined CPU and GPU stress tests this could easily be reduced by raising the fan speed there and to be fair I think it's good to at least have the option of running the machine quieter if you want to have the choice otherwise once we boost the fan speed and start under bolting to reduce the temperatures we start reaching the 45 watt TDP limitation of the CPU in some workloads such as just running a 264 it was possible to fully remove this constraint with a minus 0.2 volt undervolt however when I tested this in Cinebench aa 20 it was still about 300 points behind an unconstrained 8750 H so just goes to show it really depends on the specific workload while it would have been nice for MSI to allow us to boost the TDP if we have appropriate cooling I can understand why it's not possible in a thinner machine like this considering the performance and temperatures after my simple tweaks I think it's performing fairly given its size however there is performance lost due to power limits rattling for what it's worth at higher setting levels when we're less CPU bound the GS 7-5 does perform quite well in some cases beating at the 90 watt 2080 max-q competition the 230 watt power brick that MSI included with the GS 75 appears to be adequate for these facts I wasn't seeing any battery drain during any of my testing these differences in performance shown aren't hard and fast rules there are different factors which will vary results primarily the temperature of the room you're running in application of thermal paste and even the specific hardware which comes down to the silicon lottery you may not be able to under bolt or overclock your hardware the same as me it depends on the chip and its specific power requirements so don't just blindly copy my settings and do some testing to find out where your stable point is for best results it may be possible to further improve temperatures by swapping the thermal paste however as this is a review unit that I have to send back I'm not able to change the paste otherwise the next reviewer will unknowingly report different results due to what I've done under vaulting boosting fan speed or using a cooling pad are much easier for most people to do anyway and as we've seen these tweaks did help improve performance of the msi gs70 v gaming laptop let me know what sort of performance boosts you found by under vaulting your hardware and what you thought of the improvements here and of course don't forget to subscribe for the full review of the msi gs70 v gaming laptop as well as future thermal testing videos like this one\n"