**Update on High-End Desktop Platforms**

If you're still watching this video at this point, I imagine a lot of people watch the first three or four minutes of this video and either they got the point or they lost interest and they've clicked away. But if you're still here, thank you for being here. You genuinely may be interested in this topic or perhaps you just like my videos and you watch all of them. Thank you I really do appreciate that by the way. A percentage of video watch time does matter in YouTube analytics, so if you are watching this, you are helping.

The purpose of this video is more to give an update on the status of these chips who they're for what you should or shouldn't use them for what I'm going to be using them for. The fact that this has become an incredible value in terms of price. I mean just over five hundred dollars for 16 cores on a quad channel platform of 64 PCI Express Lanes, holy smokes, that's a deal.

**Discussion on the R1000X Platform**

Last but certainly not least, somebody in the comment section is bound to say, "But wait a minute isn't Ryzen third gen just around the corner? Isn't that coming in the summer of 2019 probably around Computex?" Yes, it is. Well I heard it was gonna have 16 cores yes it probably will we don't know the price we don't know the clock speed and we don't know exactly when those are coming.

**Discussion on the Rise III Platform**

However, 16 cores is not officially confirmed on Ryzen III. Although I expect it to come. I think everybody at this point expects it to come. It's worth noting that 16 cores will give you more multi-threaded performance to a point and it will be faster on a per core basis versus a 1950X or even a 2950X.

**Discussion on the Rise IV Platform**

However, if we get a 16-core Ryzen III first of all expect it to cost $500. I don't think it's gonna be $2 or $300 that's just crazy. But even if it's $499 and it's a higher clock speed than this, it's only gonna have the 16 PCI Express Lanes at the consumer platform.

**Discussion on the Rise V Platform**

It's only gonna have dual channel RAM and if you're working with large data sets that matters if the processor is starved for information because your dual channel RAM and your PCI Express Lanes don't allow you to have enough data throughput then the processors gonna sit there idle at times. Now that's not going to apply to gaming, that's not going to apply to live-streaming, that's not going to imply to most consumers.

**Discussion on High-End Desktop vs Consumer Platforms**

But there will be a third-generation thread Ripper as well which will get the same benefits of higher clock speed and higher performance etc. And I imagine it'll work in these same other boards as well. So that'll probably come out, probably fall 2019, I'd imagine in September/October timeframe.

**Conclusion**

Just keep in mind yes most consumers should buy this over this but high-end desktop versus consumer. Thank you all so much for watching this video discussing the differences of the various platforms. Hopefully you found it interesting, useful informative or amusing.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello and welcome to tech deals AMD's thread Ripper the high end desktop platform for consumers who want professional level performance at a reasonable price in today's video we're gonna be doing a bunch of comparisons I'm going to talk about first generation and second generation thread Ripper I'm going to be comparing them to the X 299 Intel skylake X platform I will also be comparing them to the consumer level processors from both AMD and Intel talking about who should buy these and where the pros and cons of each platform are because there are many indeed now in front of me I have a number of motherboards and processors this is a 1950 x16 Core 32 thread first-generation thread Ripper it launched for $1000 about a year and a half ago but they can currently be had new for close to $500 that is a tremendous value for the money next to it I have the top-of-the-line second-generation 2990 WX workstation level chip 32 cores 64 threads this thing is a beast and it should be for $1,700 but for serious users which we're going to talk about who needs these later in the video for serious users this represents a tremendous value for the money it's not for everybody but it is pretty impressive then you can see have a couple of consumer-level CPUs from Intel including the new I $9.99 hundred K that's a consumer chip that goes on a z3 90 not this X 299 but I have it so it's here to talk about it versus the high end platforms before we get started I think it's important to talk about what thread Ripper really is thread Ripper is Rison but basically more of it it's the same cores as the rising processors but you just get more of them a 1950 X for example is to rise in 7 1800 X's almost the same clock frequency as well as the 1800 X but just two of them giving you 16 cores 32 threads the 2990 WX is for Rison 720 700 X chips basically on a single there's actually four separate chips that are underneath the heatsink of this massive processor it's part of the reason it's expensive and part of the reason because they they bend them and take the very best chips in order to make them run at a reasonable power consumption ratio because this chip does not consume four times as much power as a risin 720 700 X so to do that they have to take the very best dyes to make these chips now that's thread Ripper skylake X is the same thing on Intel side they take the consumer chips although a generation or two back rather than coffee like they're taking skylake and they simply put more cores on them but unlike the dual die platform of thread Ripper these are single dies under there so their top end chip is 18 cores and it's a single large massive die there are benefits to it in terms of latency and access etc but you pay for it the 18 core processor on skylake X is the same price as the 32 core processor on thread Ripper it's not perfect and it isn't for everybody due to the way the memory access works to have two dies through infinity fabric but if you have programs that can take advantage of it it is extremely impressive performance for the money but there are some features on sky like X which aren't which aren't on thread Ripper which we'll talk about in a minute but I wanted to talk about what these chips really are - hopefully demystify them some of you watching this may not realize that they're just rising cores there's just more of them that brings me to the question of who should buy one of these should you consider building a thread Ripper or skylake X system instead of a consumer-level machine a risin or perhaps a coffee lake level machine if you are a professional level user who makes money with your computer and you either do heavy multitasking and I don't mean a few chrome tabs I mean you have multiple serious programs running at the same time you run multiple virtual machines you do content creation like 3d animation video editing perhaps you run a YouTube channel and you film your videos in 4k if you do any type of scientific work data analysis that requires lots of computational capability you may very well be the perfect candidate for these processors for however much more money these costs and the consumer chips if you're actually doing something that makes money with your computer they pay for themselves very very quickly if you need more processing power if you can make use of more processing power for most consumers these are overkill they're nice and if you have the money there's nothing wrong with building one if you want a super gaming PC with tons of future-proofing built in and you want a live stream and maybe edit videos and have a ton of windows open at the same time while playing the latest and greatest games you actually might be a candidate for the replacement for this if you don't mind the price the 2950 x we'll talk about that in a minute when I compare the different thread rubber chips it is the second-generation version of the 16 core chip and it's got higher clock speeds better memory latency and a few other features versus this for content creators the 1950 X is a better deal but if you also want a game and have a premium gaming experience get the second gen chip do not buy the 2990 WX if gaming is a serious consideration it has memory latency issues and some other things that don't make it ideally suited for that because only two of the four dies on there have a direct connection to memory that's why it has the W in the name it's a workstation chip it's designed if you're doing 3d animation if you're running blender if you're editing and encoding videos it's a great processor if you want to play the latest greatest games don't get one of the W chips get one of the X chips or perhaps just get a consumer-level chip horizon 720 700 X or an IEEE 999 30k which will cost less but maybe not have quite so much future in front of them now up till now I've simply talked about cores and processing power there are benefits of the high-end desktop platform other than just RAW processing power you also have quad channel memory and this applies to both thread Ripper and skylight cats you have quad channel memory for twice the RAM throughput versus the consumer platforms for most normal people this is a completely irrelevant factor and does not make any difference to your systems performance it does if for you're running blender or a ray tracing application or doing something that involves moving huge amounts of data in and out you're working with very large datasets multiple virtual machines scientific analysis etc then quad-channel memory really can make a difference in fact on the server platforms they go up to 8 channel memory of the epoch the server version of thread Ripper has 8 channel memory for more memory throughput so that's a benefit for some people not for gaming but for non gaming workstation tasks there's also more PCI Express Lanes on the consumer platform you generally have 16 direct to the CPU PCI Express Lanes on both the AMD and the Intel side and then some more that go through the chipset to connect all your various devices if you need to plug in a lot of ADIF add-in cards if you have need for 4 nvme SSDs you have a large amount of data coming in and out you're working with large data sets you're rendering large videos then you definitely want to be on the high end platform if you've got 4 nvme drives in one of the add-in cards that lets you put in 4 and vme drives you drop it into an x16 slot for example that's gonna use 16 PCI Express lanes and if you want those to run up full speed then you need those lanes direct to the CPU in addition to what your graphics card and other peripherals and devices need thread Ripper has 64 total PCI Express lanes 62 the CPU for directly to the chipset skylake X has up to 44 PCI Express lanes but those are all direct to the CPU there are additional platform lanes that cover the USB ports and networking ports and other things that don't necessarily need direct connections so you can absolutely install a dedicated graphics card or perhaps two or three of them and a bunch of nvme drives in both of these platforms whereas you can't or at least you can't actually get any decent performance out of them on the consumer platform on the consumer platform for example you can put two nvme drives into your second slot but it will slow your graphics card down to 8 X and you certainly can't put 4 in there because you don't have enough lanes so beyond processing performance if you need more lanes for whatever task that you're doing that is a huge to step up to these platforms I mentioned gaming earlier in the video now it is true that a sky like X chip or the 2950 X chip on thread ripper would make very good gaming CPUs and they would last you for many many years because of all their cores and threads but they're not ideal if you really just want to play games and perhaps live stream to twitch to be honest a risin 720 700 X or the I $9.99 hundred K are a better value for the money the motherboards those plug into are less expensive the processors themselves cost less money they have higher clock speeds and I think that's a point that gets overlooked a lot the skylake X chip the i7 78 20 X I have one of those I've been using it for over a year now to render my videos has 8 cores 16 threads it runs 4 gigahertz on an all core boost out of the box you can overclock it but it gets pretty warm pretty quickly the I 999 hundred K is a 4.7 Giga hurt all core speed out of the box and it's a newer architecture coffee Lake versus skylake not a huge difference but it is a bit newer and installs and less expensive motherboards it's also soldered so it over clocks to 5 gigahertz without any issues whatsoever put a reasonably decent air cooler on there and you'll get 5 gigahertz without a problem that's a whole 1 gigahertz after clock speed on a newer architecture for less money same thing with rise in horizon 7 2700 X is 8 core 16 threads and is $300 it includes a cooler these don't it installs on a hundred and $50 motherboard without any issue whatsoever so that processor is less expensive than even this 1950 X and this on all the cores is gonna be running in the mid 3.5 something ish clock speed range and it's a first generation chip versus the 4 to 4.2 gigahertz clock speed you'll get out of a risin 720 700 X and in fact in most situations at 2700 X will boost to 4.2 when you're playing games it's a 4.0 all core boost and stress testing but it runs at 4.2 so the increased clock speed and a lower price really makes the consumer platform better if playing games is your key priority now so far in this video I've touched on some of the differences between thread Ripper and skylake X allow me to be more specific on a couple of those first of all thread Ripper is by far the value for the money the pure processing power for every dollar you spend absolutely crushes sky like X there's no question that dollar for dollar you get more processing power with read Ripper then you do with sky like X mostly sort of depending upon what you're doing very narrow specific applications are actually faster on sky like X because it has avx-512 which thread Ripper does not 99.9% of you aren't gonna care and it isn't going to make any difference but allow me to give you a simple example I did these benchmarks backed when the first generation thread Ripper launched the 16 core 32 thread 1950 X was $1000 when it launched the i9 7900 was that is the 10 core 20 thread processor and it was $1000 when it launched and these two processors launched at about the same time in h.264 video encoding standard video encoding that we used for YouTube and for blu-rays and other content the 16 core processor is about 20% faster in h.264 encoding than the 10 core 20 thread skylake X chip is for the same money sounds easy 20% faster actually it should be faster than that because it's 16 cores so it's 60% more cores but lower clock speed lower efficiency the per core performance is not quite as high as the sky like X so it's about 20% faster however there's something called HB EC high efficiency video codec h.264 short if you are encoding in h.265 it will use avx-512 the 10 core processor on skylake x becomes 20 percent faster than the 16 core 19:50 X it is a tremendous performance jump in that one case over time more programs will start to take advantage of avx-512 but probably not on the consumer side of things your latest and greatest game isn't going to use it within the useful lifetime of these processors the entire marketplace will have to be filled with avx-512 chips before it becomes a common thing for consumers so don't think you're buying this and good well I'm gonna be set four five years from now it might be longer than that because the entire spectrum even the new I $9.99 hundred K Coffey Lake refresh does not have avx-512 probably the next generation ice like after that will but it doesn't have it so I mention it because for a very specific base it's worth noting that the Intel chip does have features and optimizations that thread repre doesn't have but again this doesn't matter to most of you for most of you this is a better deal especially now that it's less expensive the fact is is this processor is now close to 500 which kind of negates the point because you can buy two of them for the price of one of those the other thing to consider is that skylake X is the standard LGA 2011 socket virtually any cooler made in the past five years will install on it any liquid cooler tower cool or whatever it is a standard sized chip and so everything works these chips are not now we are 18 months post-launch of this a lot of coolers have come out since then the Wraith Ripper from Coolermaster and a bunch of other choices so you have decent cooling options to be blunt the first six months or so that this was on the market the cooling options kind of sucked because they just it's a weird sized chip that nothing was designed for there were adapters and you could kind of make stuff work but it didn't cover the die properly and they really weren't great solutions that's mostly been solved at this point but if you have an awesome wonderful custom cooling setup do keep in mind it probably works just fine with sky like X and it probably doesn't with thread Ripper but if you're buying new that's less of an issue now for most of you watching my videos this next point will not matter to you but it is worth considering because I spent a considerable amount of time dealing with companies corporations and conservative minded managers who made bind as based upon what they were comfortable with and what wouldn't get them in trouble from their boss buying Intel isn't gonna get you into trouble this is a known trusted platform on a known trusted architecture going back many many years skylake ex Broadwell e haswell-e Ivybridge sandy bridge and going back from there a buying manager for a business can buy 20 of these or 50 of these they can outfit their entire office full of content creators and they can just know that all of the programs all the optimizations Windows Adobe blender whatever you're running is all just going to support it everything just works with it there's no there's no teething issues now there are far fewer teething issues today with Rison and thread Ripper than there were at lunch the first six months were interesting to say the least and especially with the second generation W chips the 2990 WX there's still are teething issues because of Windows and the scheduler and understanding the memory and a little bit more development has to happen there it's gotten better it's we're about six seven months post-launch from this now so it's gotten better but you are dealing with a newer platform that doesn't have a decade plus development experience behind it if you are an individual if you're watching this video thinking I'm just buying one computer for me and I'm gonna use it or I'm just buying one computer and Bob is going to use it and there's five of us in the office and we just need the best value we can get for Bob to do whatever the content or workstation or whatever we're doing you know what try rippers probably a great choice for you if you need a thousand of them you have to do testing and evaluation and quality control because it would make no sense to buy that many of them that's why skylake X continues to sell that's why companies continue to buy it even though it costs more is for those uses how many of those people are watching my videos probably not very many but hey for for the one guy out there who's watching who's asking that question I wouldn't install thread Ripper into a larger organization without doing a lot of validation whereas in tow you still have to do validation there's a there's a level of experience in trust going back many many years and that is one of the benefits versus thread Ripper even if this is a better deal now that we've looked at the two platforms Lex push skylake x aside and instead let's talk about the differences between these two thread Ripper processors in detail I mentioned some of these things at the beginning of the video but now it's time for a closer look then 1950 X is now 18 months old in fact probably sometime in the next six to twelve months we're probably going to get a third generation thread Ripper processor so this won't even have a year before it's two generations old but just because something is two generations old does not make it a bad either a bad processor or a bad deal as I said at the beginning of this video this has been available for at or close to $500 for at least a couple of months now right around Black Friday 2018 it dropped down to about the $500 point and it's been between five and six hundred ever since the fact that you can buy a high-end desktop processor with 16 cores 32 threads with an all core boost of 4 gigahertz that installs in 250 down our high-end motherboards that's incredible that's absolutely amazing it wasn't that long ago just two years ago in fact that I built the six core 12 thread Broadwell eMachine right here on my channel of a $4,000 ultimate build that is the i7 6800 k that processor was four hundred and thirty-five dollars the motherboard the asustor 99 board that it went into that was two hundred and fifty dollars this is only about a hundred dollars more and it's 16 cores versus the sixth course of just two years ago and 64 PCI Express Lanes whereas the Broadwell II only had 28 that is a huge value jump it is that is massive so what has happened thanks to what AMD has done in the past few years it's incredible so don't look at the 1950 X and think well it's it's the first gen chip it's older it's 18 months uh-oh who would buy that that's ridiculous I have one of these downstairs right now running as my primary editing machine it's going to continue to be a running machine even with this processor here why because it's incredibly fast it's great it renders quickly it generates proxies quickly it scrubs through multiple 4k videos without a problem it multitasks really well it's a very nice processor and installed on a reasonable motherboard it's a huge value for the money for somebody like me who is a professional content creator since I do this full-time now the 2950 X would be a better choice if you want a dual purpose machine that is both content creation and gaming now there's nothing wrong with this for gaming I have played games I've benchmark games on this I don't know whether or not I'll do a video on it I did some of those mostly just to get my own sphere of knowledge I let me know in the comments down below if you really want to see a 1950 X gaming benchmark video at this point let's be honest those have been done extensively on YouTube this is more about my thoughts and positioning on the market than seeing benchmark charts because the chips 18 months old however if I were buying a thread ripper today and I was going to have one primary computer if I didn't have an office full of computers then I would buy a 29 50 X 4 it's higher clock speed and it's better optimizations it's 12 nanometer instead of 14 nanometer they've improved some of the memory latencies it's not a huge deal but it's it all helps and then the the all core boost speed is several hundred megahertz higher and so if I wanted a gaming PC in addition to content creation I'd spent a couple hundred dollars more and get a twenty nine fifty X instead but I have dedicated gaming PC's this computer is not going to be gaming this computer is strictly content creation I have an eye 999 hundred K I don't need to game on a thread Ripper and for gaming that is by far a superior platform now that brings us to the twenty nine ninety WX yes you can play games on it no you shouldn't that's not what it's for and if you have the kind of money to buy this I certainly hope you have a separate computer for gaming if you're interested in gaming this is an interesting processor because for basically the same price as the 18 core 36 thread skylake X top-end chip you're getting yourself 32 cores and 64 threads however only half of the cores actually have access to the memory because of the architecture of the X 399 platform in the way it first came out two of the 4 dies on here have direct access to the system memory and all the peripherals IO devices etc and the other 2 do not they have to go through the Infinity fabric connection through the other dies to get access to the memory and there's a latency penalty for it and there are in fact some programs which are slower on this 2990 WX then they would be on the 16 core chip because half of the cores do not have access to the system without routing through the other cores so 16 to the cores or direct access and 16 are not now my understanding is that the windows scheduler does not actually know how to handle this chip properly yet the windows fall update came out the Windows 10 update came out too close to the rule launch of this chip and everything was locked down and they weren't it wasn't updated for will the spring 2019 update fix it will the fall 2019 update fix it I would imagine at some point these will become popular enough development work between AMD and Microsoft will improve and they will get the scheduler to be aware of it make sure that it and programs will become aware of this design because it's not a typical design of a chip such as the 16 core chip interestingly enough Wendell over at level one text has done a bunch of experimentation with these and if you're interested in thread report content if you're serious about professional level content on thread report I strongly encourage you to follow his channel over at level one techs and he's done a bunch of testing and the short answer is if you really want to get rid of a lot of the latency issues of this for professional work Lennox is not a bad idea Lennox's kernel and scheduler are better adapted to this and it frankly it gets more quick more frequent updates than Windows does Windows still has some teething issues now I'm gonna be running Windows on this because we run Adobe Creative Cloud we use Adobe programs we use Microsoft Office when we're on the Windows platform so I will be using Windows on this and this chip is now just over six months old but things have started to improve and over time I'm running under the assumption we'll see whether it turns out to be true that everything just continues to get better with time for what it's worth that did happen on first-generation Rison when risin 7 1,700 1,700 x excetera launched back in March of 2017 Adobe did not effectively use all the cores and threads on my channel I built a risin 7 1700 machine and that quickly replaced my Broadwell eMachine because I found that the 8 cores even though they weren't necessarily faster than the Broadwell eCourse the 8 cores were better at scrubbing through video and editing the whole thing was just a nicer experience 8 cores really is nice if you're using them however I did lose the quad channel RAM I lost the PCI Express Lanes so there was a trade-off there thread ripper kind of eliminates that and gives you the extra performance but it was probably 6 months it was the fall of 2017 before some patches to Windows and patches to Adobe came out that Rison actually started to be more effectively utilized when I first started using the rise in 7 1700 my render performance was no faster than the 6 core Broadwell II six months later it was I saw improvements patches updates the entire ecosystem started to better utilize all these processors I am currently running under the assumption that the same is going to be true here because it's a little bit on the early days for this die design with everything going through two of the dies two of the dies going to the other two in order to get access to the system but I want more performance in current rendering I actually have no problem with Adobe Premiere using all 16 of the course here in fact and then some it goes deep into the SMT I'm just going to call it hyper threading because it's easier it's a trademark didn't tell term but it's symmetrical multi-threading so SMT works very well with that and I easily get presser utilizations than the 75 to 85% range when rendering on this will I get utilizations that high on the 2990 WX I doubt it however if it's even just 50% faster than the 1950 X I will be happy even though it is more than twice as expensive in fact it's three times as expensive as this processor however if even if Adobe is not able to fully effectively utilize all 32 of these cores my hope or belief is that it will still effectively be able to use the computer while it's rendering then I'll be able to edit another video that I'll be able to do other stuff with my PC with the current 1950 ex that I'm using downstairs right now once I set it to rendering unless I go into windows task scheduler and a disabled course to media encoder if I change the affinity or priority the system is nearly useless I mean you can use it and browse the web and do stuff like that but I can't get anything else productive done because Adobe is using all 16 cores you could go the two PC route there's you could absolutely build two of these except it's worth noting that a computer is more than the price of just the processor have discussed this in many other videos your computer is a collection of RAM and storage and power supplies and motherboards and cases and a bunch of other things besides just the processor so by putting in a high end processor like this for as crazy as expensive as it might seem I basically condensed down everything Ram high-end SSDs the motherboard the video card monitors keyboard I can sit at one PC and get more done even while I'm rendering that's the logic and thinking behind it now I haven't built this yet I will there will be videos on my channel of this I will talk about it how much I do on this I don't know we'll have to see how it goes because it's it's way out there for my typical content and this video is starting to stretch into more of a discussion rather than a comparison but if you're still watching this video at this point I imagine a lot of people watch the first three or four minutes of this video and either they got the point or they lost interest and they've clicked away at this point if you're still watching thank you for being here you genuinely may be interested in this topic or perhaps you just like my videos and you watch all of them thank you I really do appreciate that by the way a percentage of video watch time does matter in YouTube analytics so if you are watching this you are helping so that's the purpose of this I'm not going to talk about what I'm gonna do with the sky like X videos at this point because I'm going to talk about that and do a little bit more discussion of what I'm gonna use those for when I actually do the build of this the purpose of this video is more to give an update on the status of these chips who they're for what you should or should not use them for what I'm going to be using them for the fact that this has become an incredible value in terms of price I mean just over five hundred dollars for 16 cores on a quad channel platform of 64 PCI Express Lanes holy smokes that's a deal last but certainly not least somebody in the comment section is bound to say but wait a minute isn't Rison third gen just around the corner isn't that coming in the summer of 2019 probably around Computex yes it is well I heard it was gonna have 16 cores yes it probably will we don't know the price we don't know the clock speed and we don't know exactly when those are coming in fact 16 cores is not officially confirmed on rise in third gen although I expect it to come I think everybody at this point expects it to come it's worth noting that 16 cores will give you more multi-threaded performance to a point and it will be faster on a per core basis versus a 1950 X or even a 2950 X however 64 PCI Express Lanes and quad channel Ram that's the one big thing I think a lot of people will miss when the 16 core rise in third gen comes out whether it's rising 7 or risin 9 I'll be shocked if they don't call it rising 9 to compete with the i9 but if we get a 16 core 32 thread risin 9 third-generation chip first of all expect it to cost $500 I don't think it's gonna be 2 or 300 that's just crazy but even if it's 499 dollars and it's a higher clock speed than this it's only gonna have the 16 PCI Express Lanes at the consumer platform it's only gonna have dual channel RAM and if you're working with large data sets that matters if the processor is starved for information because your dual channel Ram and your PCI Express Lanes don't allow you to have enough data throughput then the processors gonna sit there idle at times now that's not going to apply to game that's not gonna apply to live-streaming that's not going to imply to most consumers but there will be a third generation thread Ripper as well which will get the same benefits of higher clock speed and higher performance etc and I imagine it'll work in these same other boards as well so that'll probably come out probably fall 2019 I'd imagine in september/october timeframe just guessing but for those of you asking about the 16 core rise in third gen just keep in mind yes most consumers should buy that over this but high-end desktop versus consumer thank you all so much for watching this video discussing the differences of the various platforms hopefully you found it interesting useful informative or amusing the comments section down below let me know what you thought of this what additional content on high-end desktop platforms would you like to see I can't respond to every comment down below but I promise you I do read them and they are all appreciated like this video if you 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and second generation thread Ripper I'm going to be comparing them to the X 299 Intel skylake X platform I will also be comparing them to the consumer level processors from both AMD and Intel talking about who should buy these and where the pros and cons of each platform are because there are many indeed now in front of me I have a number of motherboards and processors this is a 1950 x16 Core 32 thread first-generation thread Ripper it launched for $1000 about a year and a half ago but they can currently be had new for close to $500 that is a tremendous value for the money next to it I have the top-of-the-line second-generation 2990 WX workstation level chip 32 cores 64 threads this thing is a beast and it should be for $1,700 but for serious users which we're going to talk about who needs these later in the video for serious users this represents a tremendous value for the money it's not for everybody but it is pretty impressive then you can see have a couple of consumer-level CPUs from Intel including the new I $9.99 hundred K that's a consumer chip that goes on a z3 90 not this X 299 but I have it so it's here to talk about it versus the high end platforms before we get started I think it's important to talk about what thread Ripper really is thread Ripper is Rison but basically more of it it's the same cores as the rising processors but you just get more of them a 1950 X for example is to rise in 7 1800 X's almost the same clock frequency as well as the 1800 X but just two of them giving you 16 cores 32 threads the 2990 WX is for Rison 720 700 X chips basically on a single there's actually four separate chips that are underneath the heatsink of this massive processor it's part of the reason it's expensive and part of the reason because they they bend them and take the very best chips in order to make them run at a reasonable power consumption ratio because this chip does not consume four times as much power as a risin 720 700 X so to do that they have to take the very best dyes to make these chips now that's thread Ripper skylake X is the same thing on Intel side they take the consumer chips although a generation or two back rather than coffee like they're taking skylake and they simply put more cores on them but unlike the dual die platform of thread Ripper these are single dies under there so their top end chip is 18 cores and it's a single large massive die there are benefits to it in terms of latency and access etc but you pay for it the 18 core processor on skylake X is the same price as the 32 core processor on thread Ripper it's not perfect and it isn't for everybody due to the way the memory access works to have two dies through infinity fabric but if you have programs that can take advantage of it it is extremely impressive performance for the money but there are some features on sky like X which aren't which aren't on thread Ripper which we'll talk about in a minute but I wanted to talk about what these chips really are - hopefully demystify them some of you watching this may not realize that they're just rising cores there's just more of them that brings me to the question of who should buy one of these should you consider building a thread Ripper or skylake X system instead of a consumer-level machine a risin or perhaps a coffee lake level machine if you are a professional level user who makes money with your computer and you either do heavy multitasking and I don't mean a few chrome tabs I mean you have multiple serious programs running at the same time you run multiple virtual machines you do content creation like 3d animation video editing perhaps you run a YouTube channel and you film your videos in 4k if you do any type of scientific work data analysis that requires lots of computational capability you may very well be the perfect candidate for these processors for however much more money these costs and the consumer chips if you're actually doing something that makes money with your computer they pay for themselves very very quickly if you need more processing power if you can make use of more processing power for most consumers these are overkill they're nice and if you have the money there's nothing wrong with building one if you want a super gaming PC with tons of future-proofing built in and you want a live stream and maybe edit videos and have a ton of windows open at the same time while playing the latest and greatest games you actually might be a candidate for the replacement for this if you don't mind the price the 2950 x we'll talk about that in a minute when I compare the different thread rubber chips it is the second-generation version of the 16 core chip and it's got higher clock speeds better memory latency and a few other features versus this for content creators the 1950 X is a better deal but if you also want a game and have a premium gaming experience get the second gen chip do not buy the 2990 WX if gaming is a serious consideration it has memory latency issues and some other things that don't make it ideally suited for that because only two of the four dies on there have a direct connection to memory that's why it has the W in the name it's a workstation chip it's designed if you're doing 3d animation if you're running blender if you're editing and encoding videos it's a great processor if you want to play the latest greatest games don't get one of the W chips get one of the X chips or perhaps just get a consumer-level chip horizon 720 700 X or an IEEE 999 30k which will cost less but maybe not have quite so much future in front of them now up till now I've simply talked about cores and processing power there are benefits of the high-end desktop platform other than just RAW processing power you also have quad channel memory and this applies to both thread Ripper and skylight cats you have quad channel memory for twice the RAM throughput versus the consumer platforms for most normal people this is a completely irrelevant factor and does not make any difference to your systems performance it does if for you're running blender or a ray tracing application or doing something that involves moving huge amounts of data in and out you're working with very large datasets multiple virtual machines scientific analysis etc then quad-channel memory really can make a difference in fact on the server platforms they go up to 8 channel memory of the epoch the server version of thread Ripper has 8 channel memory for more memory throughput so that's a benefit for some people not for gaming but for non gaming workstation tasks there's also more PCI Express Lanes on the consumer platform you generally have 16 direct to the CPU PCI Express Lanes on both the AMD and the Intel side and then some more that go through the chipset to connect all your various devices if you need to plug in a lot of ADIF add-in cards if you have need for 4 nvme SSDs you have a large amount of data coming in and out you're working with large data sets you're rendering large videos then you definitely want to be on the high end platform if you've got 4 nvme drives in one of the add-in cards that lets you put in 4 and vme drives you drop it into an x16 slot for example that's gonna use 16 PCI Express lanes and if you want those to run up full speed then you need those lanes direct to the CPU in addition to what your graphics card and other peripherals and devices need thread Ripper has 64 total PCI Express lanes 62 the CPU for directly to the chipset skylake X has up to 44 PCI Express lanes but those are all direct to the CPU there are additional platform lanes that cover the USB ports and networking ports and other things that don't necessarily need direct connections so you can absolutely install a dedicated graphics card or perhaps two or three of them and a bunch of nvme drives in both of these platforms whereas you can't or at least you can't actually get any decent performance out of them on the consumer platform on the consumer platform for example you can put two nvme drives into your second slot but it will slow your graphics card down to 8 X and you certainly can't put 4 in there because you don't have enough lanes so beyond processing performance if you need more lanes for whatever task that you're doing that is a huge to step up to these platforms I mentioned gaming earlier in the video now it is true that a sky like X chip or the 2950 X chip on thread ripper would make very good gaming CPUs and they would last you for many many years because of all their cores and threads but they're not ideal if you really just want to play games and perhaps live stream to twitch to be honest a risin 720 700 X or the I $9.99 hundred K are a better value for the money the motherboards those plug into are less expensive the processors themselves cost less money they have higher clock speeds and I think that's a point that gets overlooked a lot the skylake X chip the i7 78 20 X I have one of those I've been using it for over a year now to render my videos has 8 cores 16 threads it runs 4 gigahertz on an all core boost out of the box you can overclock it but it gets pretty warm pretty quickly the I 999 hundred K is a 4.7 Giga hurt all core speed out of the box and it's a newer architecture coffee Lake versus skylake not a huge difference but it is a bit newer and installs and less expensive motherboards it's also soldered so it over clocks to 5 gigahertz without any issues whatsoever put a reasonably decent air cooler on there and you'll get 5 gigahertz without a problem that's a whole 1 gigahertz after clock speed on a newer architecture for less money same thing with rise in horizon 7 2700 X is 8 core 16 threads and is $300 it includes a cooler these don't it installs on a hundred and $50 motherboard without any issue whatsoever so that processor is less expensive than even this 1950 X and this on all the cores is gonna be running in the mid 3.5 something ish clock speed range and it's a first generation chip versus the 4 to 4.2 gigahertz clock speed you'll get out of a risin 720 700 X and in fact in most situations at 2700 X will boost to 4.2 when you're playing games it's a 4.0 all core boost and stress testing but it runs at 4.2 so the increased clock speed and a lower price really makes the consumer platform better if playing games is your key priority now so far in this video I've touched on some of the differences between thread Ripper and skylake X allow me to be more specific on a couple of those first of all thread Ripper is by far the value for the money the pure processing power for every dollar you spend absolutely crushes sky like X there's no question that dollar for dollar you get more processing power with read Ripper then you do with sky like X mostly sort of depending upon what you're doing very narrow specific applications are actually faster on sky like X because it has avx-512 which thread Ripper does not 99.9% of you aren't gonna care and it isn't going to make any difference but allow me to give you a simple example I did these benchmarks backed when the first generation thread Ripper launched the 16 core 32 thread 1950 X was $1000 when it launched the i9 7900 was that is the 10 core 20 thread processor and it was $1000 when it launched and these two processors launched at about the same time in h.264 video encoding standard video encoding that we used for YouTube and for blu-rays and other content the 16 core processor is about 20% faster in h.264 encoding than the 10 core 20 thread skylake X chip is for the same money sounds easy 20% faster actually it should be faster than that because it's 16 cores so it's 60% more cores but lower clock speed lower efficiency the per core performance is not quite as high as the sky like X so it's about 20% faster however there's something called HB EC high efficiency video codec h.264 short if you are encoding in h.265 it will use avx-512 the 10 core processor on skylake x becomes 20 percent faster than the 16 core 19:50 X it is a tremendous performance jump in that one case over time more programs will start to take advantage of avx-512 but probably not on the consumer side of things your latest and greatest game isn't going to use it within the useful lifetime of these processors the entire marketplace will have to be filled with avx-512 chips before it becomes a common thing for consumers so don't think you're buying this and good well I'm gonna be set four five years from now it might be longer than that because the entire spectrum even the new I $9.99 hundred K Coffey Lake refresh does not have avx-512 probably the next generation ice like after that will but it doesn't have it so I mention it because for a very specific base it's worth noting that the Intel chip does have features and optimizations that thread repre doesn't have but again this doesn't matter to most of you for most of you this is a better deal especially now that it's less expensive the fact is is this processor is now close to 500 which kind of negates the point because you can buy two of them for the price of one of those the other thing to consider is that skylake X is the standard LGA 2011 socket virtually any cooler made in the past five years will install on it any liquid cooler tower cool or whatever it is a standard sized chip and so everything works these chips are not now we are 18 months post-launch of this a lot of coolers have come out since then the Wraith Ripper from Coolermaster and a bunch of other choices so you have decent cooling options to be blunt the first six months or so that this was on the market the cooling options kind of sucked because they just it's a weird sized chip that nothing was designed for there were adapters and you could kind of make stuff work but it didn't cover the die properly and they really weren't great solutions that's mostly been solved at this point but if you have an awesome wonderful custom cooling setup do keep in mind it probably works just fine with sky like X and it probably doesn't with thread Ripper but if you're buying new that's less of an issue now for most of you watching my videos this next point will not matter to you but it is worth considering because I spent a considerable amount of time dealing with companies corporations and conservative minded managers who made bind as based upon what they were comfortable with and what wouldn't get them in trouble from their boss buying Intel isn't gonna get you into trouble this is a known trusted platform on a known trusted architecture going back many many years skylake ex Broadwell e haswell-e Ivybridge sandy bridge and going back from there a buying manager for a business can buy 20 of these or 50 of these they can outfit their entire office full of content creators and they can just know that all of the programs all the optimizations Windows Adobe blender whatever you're running is all just going to support it everything just works with it there's no there's no teething issues now there are far fewer teething issues today with Rison and thread Ripper than there were at lunch the first six months were interesting to say the least and especially with the second generation W chips the 2990 WX there's still are teething issues because of Windows and the scheduler and understanding the memory and a little bit more development has to happen there it's gotten better it's we're about six seven months post-launch from this now so it's gotten better but you are dealing with a newer platform that doesn't have a decade plus development experience behind it if you are an individual if you're watching this video thinking I'm just buying one computer for me and I'm gonna use it or I'm just buying one computer and Bob is going to use it and there's five of us in the office and we just need the best value we can get for Bob to do whatever the content or workstation or whatever we're doing you know what try rippers probably a great choice for you if you need a thousand of them you have to do testing and evaluation and quality control because it would make no sense to buy that many of them that's why skylake X continues to sell that's why companies continue to buy it even though it costs more is for those uses how many of those people are watching my videos probably not very many but hey for for the one guy out there who's watching who's asking that question I wouldn't install thread Ripper into a larger organization without doing a lot of validation whereas in tow you still have to do validation there's a there's a level of experience in trust going back many many years and that is one of the benefits versus thread Ripper even if this is a better deal now that we've looked at the two platforms Lex push skylake x aside and instead let's talk about the differences between these two thread Ripper processors in detail I mentioned some of these things at the beginning of the video but now it's time for a closer look then 1950 X is now 18 months old in fact probably sometime in the next six to twelve months we're probably going to get a third generation thread Ripper processor so this won't even have a year before it's two generations old but just because something is two generations old does not make it a bad either a bad processor or a bad deal as I said at the beginning of this video this has been available for at or close to $500 for at least a couple of months now right around Black Friday 2018 it dropped down to about the $500 point and it's been between five and six hundred ever since the fact that you can buy a high-end desktop processor with 16 cores 32 threads with an all core boost of 4 gigahertz that installs in 250 down our high-end motherboards that's incredible that's absolutely amazing it wasn't that long ago just two years ago in fact that I built the six core 12 thread Broadwell eMachine right here on my channel of a $4,000 ultimate build that is the i7 6800 k that processor was four hundred and thirty-five dollars the motherboard the asustor 99 board that it went into that was two hundred and fifty dollars this is only about a hundred dollars more and it's 16 cores versus the sixth course of just two years ago and 64 PCI Express Lanes whereas the Broadwell II only had 28 that is a huge value jump it is that is massive so what has happened thanks to what AMD has done in the past few years it's incredible so don't look at the 1950 X and think well it's it's the first gen chip it's older it's 18 months uh-oh who would buy that that's ridiculous I have one of these downstairs right now running as my primary editing machine it's going to continue to be a running machine even with this processor here why because it's incredibly fast it's great it renders quickly it generates proxies quickly it scrubs through multiple 4k videos without a problem it multitasks really well it's a very nice processor and installed on a reasonable motherboard it's a huge value for the money for somebody like me who is a professional content creator since I do this full-time now the 2950 X would be a better choice if you want a dual purpose machine that is both content creation and gaming now there's nothing wrong with this for gaming I have played games I've benchmark games on this I don't know whether or not I'll do a video on it I did some of those mostly just to get my own sphere of knowledge I let me know in the comments down below if you really want to see a 1950 X gaming benchmark video at this point let's be honest those have been done extensively on YouTube this is more about my thoughts and positioning on the market than seeing benchmark charts because the chips 18 months old however if I were buying a thread ripper today and I was going to have one primary computer if I didn't have an office full of computers then I would buy a 29 50 X 4 it's higher clock speed and it's better optimizations it's 12 nanometer instead of 14 nanometer they've improved some of the memory latencies it's not a huge deal but it's it all helps and then the the all core boost speed is several hundred megahertz higher and so if I wanted a gaming PC in addition to content creation I'd spent a couple hundred dollars more and get a twenty nine fifty X instead but I have dedicated gaming PC's this computer is not going to be gaming this computer is strictly content creation I have an eye 999 hundred K I don't need to game on a thread Ripper and for gaming that is by far a superior platform now that brings us to the twenty nine ninety WX yes you can play games on it no you shouldn't that's not what it's for and if you have the kind of money to buy this I certainly hope you have a separate computer for gaming if you're interested in gaming this is an interesting processor because for basically the same price as the 18 core 36 thread skylake X top-end chip you're getting yourself 32 cores and 64 threads however only half of the cores actually have access to the memory because of the architecture of the X 399 platform in the way it first came out two of the 4 dies on here have direct access to the system memory and all the peripherals IO devices etc and the other 2 do not they have to go through the Infinity fabric connection through the other dies to get access to the memory and there's a latency penalty for it and there are in fact some programs which are slower on this 2990 WX then they would be on the 16 core chip because half of the cores do not have access to the system without routing through the other cores so 16 to the cores or direct access and 16 are not now my understanding is that the windows scheduler does not actually know how to handle this chip properly yet the windows fall update came out the Windows 10 update came out too close to the rule launch of this chip and everything was locked down and they weren't it wasn't updated for will the spring 2019 update fix it will the fall 2019 update fix it I would imagine at some point these will become popular enough development work between AMD and Microsoft will improve and they will get the scheduler to be aware of it make sure that it and programs will become aware of this design because it's not a typical design of a chip such as the 16 core chip interestingly enough Wendell over at level one text has done a bunch of experimentation with these and if you're interested in thread report content if you're serious about professional level content on thread report I strongly encourage you to follow his channel over at level one techs and he's done a bunch of testing and the short answer is if you really want to get rid of a lot of the latency issues of this for professional work Lennox is not a bad idea Lennox's kernel and scheduler are better adapted to this and it frankly it gets more quick more frequent updates than Windows does Windows still has some teething issues now I'm gonna be running Windows on this because we run Adobe Creative Cloud we use Adobe programs we use Microsoft Office when we're on the Windows platform so I will be using Windows on this and this chip is now just over six months old but things have started to improve and over time I'm running under the assumption we'll see whether it turns out to be true that everything just continues to get better with time for what it's worth that did happen on first-generation Rison when risin 7 1,700 1,700 x excetera launched back in March of 2017 Adobe did not effectively use all the cores and threads on my channel I built a risin 7 1700 machine and that quickly replaced my Broadwell eMachine because I found that the 8 cores even though they weren't necessarily faster than the Broadwell eCourse the 8 cores were better at scrubbing through video and editing the whole thing was just a nicer experience 8 cores really is nice if you're using them however I did lose the quad channel RAM I lost the PCI Express Lanes so there was a trade-off there thread ripper kind of eliminates that and gives you the extra performance but it was probably 6 months it was the fall of 2017 before some patches to Windows and patches to Adobe came out that Rison actually started to be more effectively utilized when I first started using the rise in 7 1700 my render performance was no faster than the 6 core Broadwell II six months later it was I saw improvements patches updates the entire ecosystem started to better utilize all these processors I am currently running under the assumption that the same is going to be true here because it's a little bit on the early days for this die design with everything going through two of the dies two of the dies going to the other two in order to get access to the system but I want more performance in current rendering I actually have no problem with Adobe Premiere using all 16 of the course here in fact and then some it goes deep into the SMT I'm just going to call it hyper threading because it's easier it's a trademark didn't tell term but it's symmetrical multi-threading so SMT works very well with that and I easily get presser utilizations than the 75 to 85% range when rendering on this will I get utilizations that high on the 2990 WX I doubt it however if it's even just 50% faster than the 1950 X I will be happy even though it is more than twice as expensive in fact it's three times as expensive as this processor however if even if Adobe is not able to fully effectively utilize all 32 of these cores my hope or belief is that it will still effectively be able to use the computer while it's rendering then I'll be able to edit another video that I'll be able to do other stuff with my PC with the current 1950 ex that I'm using downstairs right now once I set it to rendering unless I go into windows task scheduler and a disabled course to media encoder if I change the affinity or priority the system is nearly useless I mean you can use it and browse the web and do stuff like that but I can't get anything else productive done because Adobe is using all 16 cores you could go the two PC route there's you could absolutely build two of these except it's worth noting that a computer is more than the price of just the processor have discussed this in many other videos your computer is a collection of RAM and storage and power supplies and motherboards and cases and a bunch of other things besides just the processor so by putting in a high end processor like this for as crazy as expensive as it might seem I basically condensed down everything Ram high-end SSDs the motherboard the video card monitors keyboard I can sit at one PC and get more done even while I'm rendering that's the logic and thinking behind it now I haven't built this yet I will there will be videos on my channel of this I will talk about it how much I do on this I don't know we'll have to see how it goes because it's it's way out there for my typical content and this video is starting to stretch into more of a discussion rather than a comparison but if you're still watching this video at this point I imagine a lot of people watch the first three or four minutes of this video and either they got the point or they lost interest and they've clicked away at this point if you're still watching thank you for being here you genuinely may be interested in this topic or perhaps you just like my videos and you watch all of them thank you I really do appreciate that by the way a percentage of video watch time does matter in YouTube analytics so if you are watching this you are helping so that's the purpose of this I'm not going to talk about what I'm gonna do with the sky like X videos at this point because I'm going to talk about that and do a little bit more discussion of what I'm gonna use those for when I actually do the build of this the purpose of this video is more to give an update on the status of these chips who they're for what you should or should not use them for what I'm going to be using them for the fact that this has become an incredible value in terms of price I mean just over five hundred dollars for 16 cores on a quad channel platform of 64 PCI Express Lanes holy smokes that's a deal last but certainly not least somebody in the comment section is bound to say but wait a minute isn't Rison third gen just around the corner isn't that coming in the summer of 2019 probably around Computex yes it is well I heard it was gonna have 16 cores yes it probably will we don't know the price we don't know the clock speed and we don't know exactly when those are coming in fact 16 cores is not officially confirmed on rise in third gen although I expect it to come I think everybody at this point expects it to come it's worth noting that 16 cores will give you more multi-threaded performance to a point and it will be faster on a per core basis versus a 1950 X or even a 2950 X however 64 PCI Express Lanes and quad channel Ram that's the one big thing I think a lot of people will miss when the 16 core rise in third gen comes out whether it's rising 7 or risin 9 I'll be shocked if they don't call it rising 9 to compete with the i9 but if we get a 16 core 32 thread risin 9 third-generation chip first of all expect it to cost $500 I don't think it's gonna be 2 or 300 that's just crazy but even if it's 499 dollars and it's a higher clock speed than this it's only gonna have the 16 PCI Express Lanes at the consumer platform it's only gonna have dual channel RAM and if you're working with large data sets that matters if the processor is starved for information because your dual channel Ram and your PCI Express Lanes don't allow you to have enough data throughput then the processors gonna sit there idle at times now that's not going to apply to game that's not gonna apply to live-streaming that's not going to imply to most consumers but there will be a third generation thread Ripper as well which will get the same benefits of higher clock speed and higher performance etc and I imagine it'll work in these same other boards as well so that'll probably come out probably fall 2019 I'd imagine in september/october timeframe just guessing but for those of you asking about the 16 core rise in third gen just keep in mind yes most consumers should buy that over this but high-end desktop versus consumer thank you all so much for watching this video discussing the differences of the various platforms hopefully you found it interesting useful informative or amusing the comments section down below let me know what you thought of this what additional content on high-end desktop platforms would you like to see I can't respond to every comment down below but I promise you I do read them and they are all appreciated like this video if you liked it share it with your friends if you loved it remember subscribe to my channel with the big huge red button directly below questions comments thoughts feedback suggestions comments section check the links in the video description everything up here will be linked to 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