The Fallout from Facebook's Meeting with Advertisers

Last week, it was reported that Facebook had internally met to discuss the ongoing boycott and backlash against the company. The meeting came after a leaked document revealed that Zuckerberg had expressed confidence that the ads would be back on soon. However, in reality, the situation is more complex than initially thought.

The meeting between Facebook executives and representatives of several major advertisers, including Unilever, Coca-Cola, and Starbucks, was seen as an attempt to address the growing boycott movement. The leaders of these groups had been demanding that Facebook take action to address concerns over hate speech and misinformation on the platform. Despite the meeting, it appears that no concrete plans were outlined for resolving the issues.

The advertisers who pulled their ads from Facebook, including Unilever and Coca-Cola, seemed disappointed with the outcome of the meeting. One of them stated that Zuckerberg's attendance was not enough to satisfy their demands, and that he needed to provide a clear plan for addressing the problems on the platform. The disappointment was palpable, as it became clear that no amount of money could buy back the trust of these major advertisers.

The boycott movement has been gaining momentum in recent weeks, with several high-profile companies, including Unilever and Coca-Cola, pulling their ads from Facebook. This move has had a significant impact on the company's bottom line, with some estimates suggesting that the losses could be substantial. The pressure is mounting, as Facebook struggles to find a solution to the crisis.

In an attempt to address the issue, Facebook considered banning political ads before the 2020 US election. However, this plan was met with skepticism, with many arguing that it would not have any significant impact on the debate. Critics pointed out that even if political ads were removed from the platform, they could still be shared through other means, such as social media and word of mouth.

The argument against banning political ads is that it would unfairly disadvantage certain candidates who rely heavily on these ads to reach their audience. For example, Trump has been known to have a significant following, and his ability to connect with his supporters through targeted ads cannot be ignored. In contrast, Biden has struggled to gain traction in the campaign trail, and banning political ads could only exacerbate this problem.

Despite the lack of concrete plans from Facebook, it appears that the company is aware that something needs to be done. The Oversight Committee, which was established to review content removed from the platform, has been criticized for being toothless. The committee's power to review decisions made by Facebook executives is limited, and its impact on the company's policies is uncertain.

The situation with the Oversight Committee highlights the challenges facing Facebook as it tries to navigate this crisis. The committee only comes into play after a piece of content has already been taken down, which means that it cannot be used proactively to address issues before they arise. This limitation has led many to question the effectiveness of the committee and its ability to have any real impact on the company's policies.

In conclusion, Facebook's meeting with advertisers was seen as an attempt to address the growing boycott movement, but it appears that no concrete plans were outlined for resolving the issues. The pressure is mounting, and the company needs to find a solution quickly if it wants to regain the trust of its advertisers and users.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello everybody it's another weird week in 2020 today's July 14th and we're doing government and social media today the year the time for dot yep I think it'll remember go in the history books that's an attack released a new like three new songs this week and I was excited about it I was like oh something to forget my 2020 troubles and then all three songs were like sad like kind of political songs I was like oh wow there's they're good but it was also like this didn't make me forget anything I think we need to get used to sad and political I just want technology dammit technology and don't think it's gonna end in November and to laugh at politicians misunderstanding technology or miss applying it so yeah people complain that we get political but gee I mean how can you not technology and politics is never been more ingrained it's it's bad because politicians that don't understand technology are afraid of it and they're there regarding it yeah and it's like Star Wars it's like the tighter you make your grip the more star systems will slip through your fingers or whatever but you could substitute technology with any topic I actually so one of the candidates I can't remember what what for now here in Kentucky was he was a former software developer I was like well that's kind of cool everyone else on the ballot was like their only job was always just working in government politicians done something the solution we named well those career pelleted politicians have been busy and we get a headline about this again every week I think they just like they want an update every week they've got to keep this in the news not a ton of new information but it has to be out there every week the u.s. is finalizing federal contract ban for companies that use Huawei and others so this is this is from Reuters and the thing that's new here is that this is not a ban on selling Huawei equipment to the government as part of fulfilling your contract with the government like say you the government is like we want 5g coverage at this base and solve some 5g towers not allowed to use Huawei equipment that's nothing new this is do you as a company use Huawei or ZTE phones or other equipment do your subcontractors if that is the case then you're not gonna be eligible to fulfill these contracts unless you get a waiver so you think it's waived Booz Allen Hamilton Bowie on Raytheon has enough money to just buy their way away from this law no not not Zuckerberg or Google or Amazon they won't let the foreshadowing yeah I think one was gotta cry you know what those companies have a common Krista I don't they make bombs yeah the Supreme Court has also really uh this was a bit of a dunker I wouldn't make this decision did we need this to go to the Supreme Court I guess we did the Supreme Court upholds a cellphone Robo call ban I can sum up this you don't even need to bother to read the headline Cavanaugh wrote the opinion that said you know what Americans don't agree on a lot of things but I think pretty much every American doesn't want to get automated calls to their cell phone so no the 2015 law had some exceptions that had to do with like political polling and I don't know trying to recover government based debt like the IRS and people were like no you don't get an exception no robocalls ever no sprinkles like okay so a rare good one from them here's a great story that points out the ultimate slap on the wrist politics but at the same time when you dig down into it it was kind of like you know it's just when you get so big like imagine that you were a hundred times bigger than you are and the government was like whenever an ant crawls on to you we must know if you don't tell us we're going to find you it was odd to pay a hundred and thirty-five thousand dollars to settle alleged US sanctions violations listen if you live in Iran don't try to sign up for Amazon Prime it's just not allowed but that wasn't what happened these were factors going to embassies now if you don't know about international politics embassies technically count as the soil of the country that the embassy is for so the Iranian embassy in some European country got a package that's no no you think that Beezus looked at this and it was like a hundred thirty five thousand dollars I roll whatever he picked up his phone and he's like a secretary is like a Jenny I'll be going to lunch 15 minutes later today and he hung it up and then he made that money back I think it was sixteen thousand in just parking tickets cuz he didn't care about like where he was supposed to park yeah that was when he was building some sort of house somewhere and he's like I'm just gonna park or wherever and he literally didn't care where yeah yeah so this is junk changed to him they admitted they're lucky okay we did it we didn't know we fixed the system and they pointed out that the amount of items that they sold total for all of these offenses was half the amount of the fine so it wasn't even people like ordered it's like I was imagining like the Iranian embassy do we would have that or things like you know pallets and pallets of servers and it's like no they just ordered some some hand sanitizer but it's not loud under the sanctions hey you know I gotta follow the rules now we've been talking for a couple weeks now about the was a blue blue blue yeah blue leaks I'll eat something and it was this massive massive database of law enforcement and that and it's funny we have some stories about that law enforcement lost their minds about that they're like oh god this puts us in danger but what about all those leaks about us I'm at my credit card company is constantly bug yeah you're in this one so I know that my data is out there somewhere and I hope that the government would like you know try and destroy any copies of that they find right think that would be the thing to do police are buying access to hacked website data the sale is a quote unquote and runaround usual legal process now you you read into this and there could be a lot of nefarious stuff to come out of this because you know first of all police forces are not allowed to directly collect a lot of this kind of information themselves I mean that's sort of the obvious one if you watched our news program for a long time but at the same time this might actually be useful if the police were interested in pursuing you know leads as to where this data come came from and the hacks and that kind of thing let's know that it's not at all what they're doing so a cop let's say that a cop is investigating you for something and they have an IP address and they want to tie the IP address to the person well they can't just go to the ISP and demand that they're gonna at least need a warrant in some cases the I speak could tell you that they're coming after you and there are all these rules that shouldn't be allowed to do that but there are no rules that say that they can't just go to a third party company and be like hey I have a subscription right for all the leaked data I'm gonna put this IP address in if that comes back to your name hey that's a lead it's kind of like how up until like what was it like 1970 to 1974 that there wasn't really if any federal rules or laws against running medical experiments on human beings we actually had to like have some oversights and laws about that because if your local health the health cabinet was like we need to experiment on people see how this disease works that was totally okay but that brings up a terrible conflict of interest because the law enforcement should be committed to stopping data leaks yes but if data leaks lead to higher rate of solving crimes where how does the lady justices you know scales how do they balance there I think that that one of them might be broken it's just fine Washington shaped thumb when she is blind she just got robbed blind shouldn't even have the scales anymore do you think she's blind under the blindfold her eyes have just been gouged out now that's some federal statue to face her that I like we're not gonna rip the statue down we're going to paint blood underneath the blindfold to represent thee okay so speaking of law enforcement helping us online and not using our misfortune to make their jobs easier definitely not doing that we have a new it's not really new it's just an amalgamation of existing law enforcement task force the US Secret Service creates a new cyber fraud task force this article goes on to describe the not-too-distant future in which there will be hundreds of offices worldwide yeah in fact here they are I love how this area of the country it's like yeah it's big but there's nobody there if you get rain somewhere in Idaho sorry so yeah these are again we had electronic crimes and financial crimes which was all Secret Service and now they are just merging together into cyber fraud mostly they seem focused on the economic damaged caused by ransomware I guess because it's the lowest hanging fruit but will they do financial stuff one of the best ways to prevent ransomware would be to I don't know notify companies that they're doing dangerously insecure things with their computers most companies you know I've dealt with a few companies that it's like look your stuff is dangerously insecure I literally don't want to work on it because of the liability and they're just like yeah also this map they made sure to include Hawaii but or not Hawaii but uh Alaska but Alaska doesn't have an office like they could have just left it off the map that will be non-inclusive Christa we don't do that in 2020 why does have an office at Honolulu hmm I don't know I guess Alaska has some military bases but probably not a lot of juicy financial targets in Alaska mmm homesteaders not a lot of companies headquartered there so another big theme of 2020 especially with you know the canceled culture that's going on is big tech and government being in bed together is all of a sudden something that people are kind of like pointing out and discovering and being like hey we should do something about this and NBC has a very interesting article that sometimes they might not be in bed together but they might be sharing a suite thousands of contracts highlight quiet ties between big tech and the US military so what happens is a contract is issued and the contract is to a small company or a company that just deals directly with the federal government they're used to government contracting but as part of the contract which you don't actually get from the contract information you have to explicitly request it through a Freedom of Information requests is that the small company is going to use Google or Microsoft or whatever to actually fulfill a substantial part of the contract maybe even more than half of the contract there's kind of a rule in federal contracting that the company that's providing the service has to provide more than half of the thing in the contract so like you can't have somebody that's just skimming off the top but in practice this article illustrates how it doesn't really necessarily work that way in all cases and plus who quantifies the percentages yeah well it's like we're doing all the work by you know collating all the data and you know adding all this value and stuff and they host everything in the cloud and did all the other work now which is all the work so an easy way to get around it and so they discovered many many contracts where they suspect that's going on and they're trying get information and the few they've gotten information about yep that's what's going on there's a tiny tiny little degree of separation that and you gotta wonder will the was a dragonfly oh yeah those people gonna get onto this it's gonna be it's it's about the same thing as IBM selling computer equipment to Germany in the 1930s there might be a small difference I don't want to you know take take a look let's let's not say that the current protests and political situation aren't somewhat merited yeah but there is a severity difference I don't know the people coming across the border it's not looking real good down there well again the difference of crossing a border you know to be unfriendly and being dragged out of your home yeah sorry now Chicago they were a place that had some of those protests and kind of a lot of some things happened and as many of us watched Krista what they have just stopped televising them are they still going on are you keeping up baby they are still going on in most major cities yeah they just get to look him up on like twitch you're getting like periscope sandwiches and stuff and yeah I gotta admit I'm saturated I'm done I I'm with them spiritually five to power but I'm just I'm spent anyway it happened in Chicago and there was a lot made about like you know hey we arrested all these people but we only arrested the people who were burning things and fighting and you know doing bad things we didn't arrest the quote-unquote protesters and some people were like oh wait a minute that seems you know watched some of those feeds that's which it's not like you're arresting a lot of protesters now the cool thing about it is Chicago has this API for all their arrest data and one yeah a government transparency one intrepid reporter went through and on the the charge on the arrest report and the description of the arrest report he actually went through and looks like no no no no doesn't say protest here but if you read the description you arrested a protester and I actually had to go back and embarrassing Lee and revise a ton of rest records and when they did turned out was mostly protesters yeah so if you're the Chicago police what do you do the Chicago reporter says that the Chicago Police Department arrests API has shut down and its own kind of cover-up so this article lays bare a lot of really amazing and interesting things if anybody is paying attention this seems like this would be charges of like corruption and fraud and you know I think government people should be held accountable for this if these people are serving the public interest laws have been broken here in covering this up I want to try to find yeah oh this is this this is long with this beautiful little piece of doublespeak yeah yeah so the question is why did you turn off the API which should be a pretty basic answer right well this is we looked into this and confirmed with our IT department that the API was a tool that was previously available at one point but has been discontinued and turned off the API access side is stagnant and not being monitored and should have been pulled down once the tool was no longer publicly accessible and as a result requests for access are not being reviewed what did that tell us literally nothing they said yes we turned it off why did you turn it off what did you like because we turned it off so clearly that's what that's what guilty people do is like you know you need to stop talking about this or it's gonna be turned off and it that's with better control and story spinning ability and why did you need like four sentences to it's like oh man I accidentally did that how many revisions do you think that went through about 50 like I'm gonna come up with something that seems plausible but isn't outride horrible yeah it was horrible hmm so the people of Chicago will no longer get that information maybe they'll give it back maybe they want it's gonna be fun when I get the Freedom of Information request things and then they stall that for six months but yeah this is I mean they they went they tried to get the Chicago like second through the fifth or something like that and they said it was unduly burdensome to return that information again transparency in government should be mandated for exactly this reason to be fair the Scogin police are very busy especially the for July 4 weekend that's a tough time for him so sorry if you live in Chicago if you live in Chicago engagement challenge tell us how it is because this is good the United States that's just a you know like brackets gunfire in background now Portland was also a city that saw quite a lot of protesting continues to see quite a lot but there's a lot of very interesting things happen there but it seems like you know you still have to go on with your life now if you have militants in the street and disease just floating through the air what do you do you got to order your meals in right it's the only safe way to do it but man they can really hit you with some surcharges until now Portland approves a 10% cap on fees the food delivery apps can charge restaurants this is pretty good because the food delivery apps you know we've covered a lot of stories where some of the food delivery apps and services were getting really just underhanded like we were covering stories where you know a restaurant might not even have its own phone number listed it would go through the delivery service and then the delivery service would do things and then that restaurant might not even get any business at all it might be serviced by a ghost kitchen it's like oh yeah you know Joe's fajitas are amazing well we can just we can make fajitas out of the back of a truck we're gonna make fajitas out of the back of a truck and deliver those no one would know you get close enough and there's no complaints they point out I don't know how they tell but in those situations where the call comes through but they don't deliver the max is five percent so kind of crazy though yeah well so uh they point out that a bunch of other cities and states have their own rules many of them are 15 percent I think they go up to 20 but without these rules some of them are thirty well and a lot of people sit like the drivers spoke out and they were like hey we this sounds good but they're just gonna scrape that off the part that I get and so you're kind of bankrupting us yeah so it's like yeah that's one one of the things that's rough is like I don't I don't go in anymore I miss I miss my Indian food and I do have takeout they've got a drive-thru and so I can drive through and take out and I feel like that's pretty safe but the drive-through is so much more expensive than the buffet that uh and the owner kind of knows that and so he's Hina I've got kind of a thing going where it's like all right look I'll give you like three or four days worth of food but you're gonna pay regular prices for like to take out but it's like three or four days of food as opposed to just you know the one the one tray from the buffet I add this thing I'm sorry Christine I'll just say it I haven't eaten out in ages like we get Taco Bell every now and then that's about it see if you're gonna eat out it's like why don't you it's like you can go higher tier the Taco Bell well it's I don't mind paying a little bit extra during these dark times cuz I don't want those places to cars business some of them yeah although you know as the economy continues to crumble we're all gonna have to time to build a y'all stocking up on food it is sort of insane so up above and the Northlands the place where the people are extra polite they have uh they're much more liberal than we are in terms of their laws and they have a lot more protection although that cuts both ways but you like to see a law like this yeah because the opposition here points out how oh this is revolutionary for health care it could help you so much but it could really be used against you in a lot more ways Supreme Court of Canada upholds genetic non-discrimination law well legislation passed in 2017 without cabinet support due to jurisdictional concerns turns out there are still jurisdictional concerns even though the California are California the Canada Supreme Court has said no an employer or an insurance company cannot demand your genetic information to decide whether or not to insure you but it doesn't really provide a lot of protection beyond that and also there's still the jurisdictional issue I pointed out people would have babies and I'd be like all right we're just gonna do a quick genome test on this baby and they're like oh you or not because that's gonna be on a record somewhere and what if our baby is really messed up and you know from here on out insurers and employers and things like that could get a hold of that but we only want to insure people we can make a profit on it's like that's not the point of insurance Plus how long before you know that leaks and the cops are buying that from a dark web you know that your DNA that's gonna be a thing Krista if you have a baby you're gonna get it DNA if I have a baby at this point fight it Krista look you're so close to getting through that biological clock window and then you can be happy for the rest of your life just look at it uh maybe just doing adoption I don't know mm-hmm I wouldn't want to be pregnant right now I think you just get another puppy in ten years I was House our dog sitting for a friend of mine her dog was here for like a week and I was like man this just reinforces that ruh is more than enough dog having two dogs was too many for me when I say ten years she's only like two and a half now so she would be like twelve by in ten years Kristi can always fill the void with more YouTube content people like to watch you draw and stuff just happy a lot of our views behave like children just read the comment section you could build yourself a new gaming machine we've gotten there been some new processor launches we've got some you know another pile of parts here and there I I missed the three-year-olds that I teach but they were like they said I don't know the other day that was like we're considering starting up three-year-old classes again I was like nah right now no yeah that's just insane yeah like I've been sneezed in the face by three year old before and like that was gross pre-pandemic but now it's like oh I wouldn't want to do that now isn't it true that kids still aren't getting it much know someone but they tend to be asymptomatic so even they don't typically get very bad symptoms but they would carry it to teachers lunch ladies janitors bus drivers also their own families that's disgusting yeah it's dark times in some parts of the state we know what else is disgusting giant corporations not paying taxes and because we the citizens need those tax bailouts to make our rent we I mean we're paying taxes yeah did you pay yet I have to I'm going tomorrow ah yeah that's you really put that off until like the very long I lost I lost my documentation oh you have to pick that up for mommy to do that man hey pick up your documentation oh thanks so yeah Apple it's well known about their double dutch irish sandwich now most of that is illegal these days but you can still shuffle things around and pay your taxes in the cheapest place which is usually Ireland because they have like 12% taxes and I'm sure there's more to this and if you sat down with an Apple lawyer they would probably like you know snowblind you with all this information you be like oh maybe that is okay but when you just look at the raw numbers the discrepancy is quite large Apple UK stores paid 6.2 million pounds in tax despite one point four billion in sales that is a vanishingly small percentage that's at all a lot of people to understand the difference between a million and a billion you know it's like it's hard to wrap your mind around those big numbers it's the difference between a thousand and one that doesn't seem like enough given apples margin of like it over 50% they made $1400 and they paid 6 that's the way you think about it that sounds fine to me I would love to do any day yeah I would like what's that look tax bracket of near poverty Rob well that's that's actually like we as a small business are actually supremely disadvantaged by the way that things are because of the import tariffs because there are a lot of international people to love the level one kvms with the International IMPAC all the tariffs are rough they're super rough and that's hurting small business and where do we get those KVM Fromm's that's right we'll admit it it's China but I want actually buy one yeah which will probably depends on which team you're on but someday Taiwan might be China and one of the reasons that we know that is because Hong Kong yeah things are not good at Hong Kong worries me has become China yeah and a lot of not just people in Hong Kong but mostly people in Hong Kong tend to if you have money at least you get educated abroad especially in the good old UK and you know you go you learn English and you learn you know the all those Western ideas and you come back and you start a business but with the pandemic a lot of people like Chinese students did you see that the headline like if you're a Harvard China student you don't get to come back oh we have to do online yeah so a lot of that's going on so you might be a Chinese student taking a Western University but now you have to do it all online because some people are doing everything online but that creates some weird disconnects because are you allowed to look at all your course material UK universities are going to comply with China's internet restrictions the article goes out of its way and trips over itself to say that we have not had to modify the university curriculum it's fine I like the other question is what are you gonna do when there's a conflict and they always just go back - there has been no conflict to date what if you're taking a history class online yeah they brought that up to go over Chinese history yeah I like the Tiananmen and you know the Great Leap Forward and all that stuff and again every response was to date we have not had to listen to anything so the way it's weird because when you have a situation like that the university has to very carefully make sure that they take any thing that you might need for research and run it through this system and like Jay something yeah well part of it is also making the curriculum stuff available on servers behind the Great Firewall of China wherever that happens to be so they point out an amazing amount of Chinese students in those universities interesting the conflict has to come it's probably already come they just want to talk about that's probably just what they're gonna do it seems like is when that happens you just adjust the curriculum yeah which is in essence importing Chinese Center so what we need we desperately need that tuition money so we will just do whatever because we're a for-profit entity no it seems like basically what they're saying if you read between the lines now speaking of the UK the UK tried something very stupid about a year ago they decided to try and do Universal age verification for any kind of adult websites and when it came out everybody just kind of sat back with her mouth open is like how are you gonna do that and then it went forward and they came up with a plan and then it seemed like the government set back and I said how are we gonna do this and they tried a thing and it failed what's amazing is since then we've seen Australia announced that they're gonna do it and there was one more do you marry what it was France yes and they've been talk of it and a lot of places like we need to do this but no one really has an answer of how and now another one the French parliament unanimously unanimously agreed on Thursday to introduce a nationwide verification system for pornography and adult websites months after president micron hopefully I got that right pledge to protect children against such content man literally none of the French parliament is computer literate not one of them not one person in Parliament now they did point out that they're gonna do it a little bit differently and they're gonna put the burden on to the site itself so like how do you know obviously the are you 18 click banner is probably not gonna cut it they said well we're not sure how they'll do it that's up to them we're not gonna rule on that probably a credit card but but doesn't that also like violate some of the EU restrictions where it's like you can't track people's locations and stuff like that because you would have to serve up like a special notification if you're in France like you must be 18 or whatever yeah I would think so and oh I mean the whole like you can't restrict service without you can't force registration yeah we can't even for success yeah anyway to do this it would violate EU law so it you think maybe all of this is not really about policing the adult web sites and instead it's another way to exert control over the internet now they do the way they're gonna do it is if they find you in violation of this and you don't agree to shut down your website then they're gonna actually just shut you down like block you so but what about a website like read it because there are sub reddits where you can just look at naked people yeah is that does that count oh yeah I'm sure it does that's it they're gonna block DuckDuckGo and Google too because you can search for those things on there i I understand like the impulse of like you know it's sad that a six-year-old can you know just find porn wherever even if they're just trying to browse other stuff but like I don't there's no easy way to solve this problem outside of just watching your kid like or not I'm monitoring their internet usage even then I think you're fighting a losing battle I think what you're gonna have to do is accept that this is the world we live in and educate your child and accept the fact that grow you know young people almost universally are going to be attracted to looking at naked people it's just how we're built yeah I mean that's fine but like there's a difference between like healthy curiosity about sexuality and then like free world you really want to explain the intricacies of like BDSM to your six-year-old instead of just being like here's sex this is a normal thing but like going back to our previous discussion Kristen no I don't want to do that exactly why I will never have a sexual because this the world that we live in we should not subject children to this it's wrong to do so we talked about the blue leak earlier did we did we figure out that it was called blue leak yes I think we did way to go US blue leak was the big law enforcement database and the ddos secrets is the new WikiLeaks that kind of like taking up the mantle you give them whatever it is that you want to get out to the public but you're afraid to put out there yourself and they'll put it out and they're basically being treated the same way cop sees the server that hosted blue leaks and according to DDoS secrets they said don't worry we'll get another download server that was just a download server it was in Germany oh no I think we survived that yeah it looks like we did okay now they pointed out I don't oh no oh I've clicked you clicked on the thing it was in Germany what happened how here we go I pointed out some other stuff that they had leaked some other interesting leaks and we didn't cover them I didn't see news stories about them oh yeah data stolen from the Chilean military and neo-nazi messages exchanged on discord Wow interesting stuff I don't know why we didn't see any headlines about that and Clearview AI now that became a big name here in the US because in the height of the controversy about photo recognition and AI and stuff like that we heard about Clearview who goes and scrapes off of social media and lets law enforcement match against that for your photo if or if you're in like you just although police body cam footage all those protesters just run that through clear view and we can get their home addresses and then we'll go and buy their data off the dark web and match it up with our IP address and then get their physical address and we'll shoot their dog or well could never have imagined something so dark so we are not the only country where Clear View operates and they're attracting the gaze of the government everywhere Australia and the UK open probe into clearer view over data privacy now I didn't read the bloomberg version of this article because of the horrible pop-ups but one dark spin on this is if law enforcement actually wants to use this tool they can make things inconvenient in Australia and then say well you know this is not allowed here unless you jump through these hoops and we keep it quiet protip that requires JavaScript oh it is a pain in the ass I usually read on my phone and so it's just like because there's like three major tech web sites that we use regularly that simply render nothing without JavaScript and then there's like three that use pop-ups that require JavaScript so you constant have to shift back and forth between the JavaScript and no JavaScript it's a good thing we did a video on a pie hole which will make a lot of that go away potentially and speaking of the Chinese situation Wow they should have gone together oh wait no that was no it wasn't it was Australia yeah oh thanks Christopher piling on I'm only human putting out your screw-ups I hope you feel better China they uh they made this little law you may have heard about it where they took all those freedoms and separation that Hong Kong had and they basically said no those don't like I can paraphrase the law it was do you not like the child Chinese Communist Party you're illegal and so a lot of people as you've seen the protests in Hong Kong all of the anti-communist party people had sort of gathered in Hong Kong and they were using that as their last bastion of freedom to fight back against it now all of a sudden the rug and the protections have been pulled out from under them China's Great Firewall descends on Hong Kong Internet users residents rush to erase their digital footprints has logged just police powers over online activity so this is one of those situations that we're always describing where the substituted a may be fine but whoever is in power tomorrow will be able to retro actively examine everything that you did and if not you know outright making something that you did retro actively illegal potentially they can also take things out of context that you did previously was like oh that was a criminal act it a criminal act even then we're just now bringing you up on charges because we just we just got around to it so a lot of people are trying to delete every everything that they can online there they're right to be scared but based on what we know about the Communist Party that stuff has probably already been klarka Hudson wherever I mean they make the NSA look like yeah choice your data hoarders yep and one interesting thing about that is the big tech companies are still somewhat stinging I think from the whole protest situation because they were caught out by it's like Oh God all the sudden people are aware that we're kind of monsters and we really don't care about people and they've been really having to try and signal and get back on the good sides of everyone and then this happens and they're like ooh we are really on the wrong side of this we really do whatever the Chinese government says what do we do here the US tech giant's halt Hong Kong police help because now things like just thinking the wrong thing seem to be illegal in Hong Kong and because of that you know the Chinese police are going to detect Giants they're saying hey we need all your information on this user we think they've done the illegal things and it's like wait a minute this is just your you're out to harvest their kidneys basically this is not we can't give you the information on this you're not gonna disappear them are you promise you won't and they make no such promises so yeah they are not the only company a lot of especially social media companies are kind of rethinking what's going on and we'll talk more about tick-tock in the social media section what's coming up in just a moment yeah they're pulling out but before we get to the social media section let's talk about some rare positive news about technology and you know the lower-income parts of the world alphabet saloon launches its balloon-powered Kenyan internet service you know a couple of videos we actually had somebody that said that they were in the pilot or the test for this and it was working well but it could have also just been a troll that's like last time we can believe it but at 25,000 people and then get a little map showing the flight path that the balloons take and or 35,000 yeah 35,000 that's this is working better it seems to be working better than I expected and 25 or 20 megabits down yeah which isn't terrible because as they point out you can watch YouTube on yeah pretty cool that's gonna be so useful after the fall we'll be will have to tether a balloon from the office and we'll just we'll be the the I think the the problem will be the anti-aircraft fire I wasn't even thinking the Internet I was thinking about just hosting a little like we'd have raspberry PI's running on solar powered batteries with things like Wikipedia and how to purify water survival guides see that would only work for the limited amount of time because what you guys don't know is that the December event is a second Carrington event Oh that'll be a tough time to end 2020 and probably most of civilization that would be chefs kiss how long it's like a guy with the salt yeah how long until we could scrap together enough stuff to rebuild and get our balloon up after the solar flare I think we could do it within a week I think I might I might have a Faraday cage downstairs lined with a great starter kit you're ignoring the bloodthirsty mobs yes I am ignoring the bloodthirsty mob so you know but the bloodthirsty miles play wouldn't know what that was so like assuming you could stay alive and like barter for your lives you might be they would be killing us for our meat not our technology yeah yeah you're responsible for our physical security I'm responsible for our information security at the post apocalyptic well I hope that you're not gonna give me any like it's like oh that person was just a bystander stop survival game chat that's exactly how it goes from idols like well maybe we should let him into the colony like when we play rim world and me and Ryan are like no they're useless either they have no skills you never get to ask what's in the fried rice we've never resorted to that Ringworld like we know did we ever never like another executive they put a massive penalty on it morale yeah thinks it was too much of a morale which is why we ever don't-ask-don't-tell policy in the new and the compound now speaking of social media and the government so we know that China is very controlling of their people but their new enemy India is also just as controlling which is funny because you know they hate each other so much yeah they emulate one another Facebook Instagram and tick tock army asks personnel to remove 89 apps from phones July 15th this is an India today so the US Army it's the Indian Army in case you weren't paying attention to Ryan but yeah 89 apps and they're they you know India wasn't really they didn't really super throw China and Facebook and other companies under the bus a lot they were just like these apps don't have your best interests at heart and they can give away tactical data so just let's not do this toughest one pop G Facebook they're really locking this down you can't have any fun on your phone in the Indian Army I was kind of surprised there weren't more health apps listed because a health apps really give away a lot of information tumbler oh so difficult let's add nap everybody's got an advocacy house that shouldn't surprise me but yeah I mean if you're active duty and you're actually like you know doing stuff you've really should you have time to be on pub G beer I guess you have downtime like any other job keep you from going insane so this story I moved it to so this is a lot like the one we talked about before with cops buying data in fact it's kind of the same thing I moved to here because this is the soft transition between government social media because it's not just those leaks to the dark web that law enforcement are using police surveilled protests would help from Twitter affiliated start up Data Miner and the intercept got all this information from a leak inside Data Miner and they investigated and goodness gracious the people inside Data Miner are like wait a minute we didn't sign up for this we didn't sign up to become a part of the surveillance industrial complex and they do minor executives go out of their way to use doublespeak to be like we're not surveilling things we're merely providing situational analysis in real-time to police forces about what is being posted on Twitter now the sort of excuse that they're using so Twitter has what they dubbed the firehose which is this API that gives you all the data through Twitter all at once it's basically every message that someone posts in chronological order so imagine a feed anybody anywhere posts anything publicly on Twitter you get it chronologically you don't have to trawl for Twitter you don't have to search you don't have to monitor terms it's literally just what people are posting in real time so they built the service based on the firehose to collate and search and process all that data now what you don't get and this is what they keep going back to you don't get location data you don't get all the metrics about the tweet you just get the tweet and who made it but if you have a really good AI and a really good you know algorithm setup when it comes to the protests a lot of people were tweeting the location of the protests in the text of the tweet you didn't even know where that person was they were telling you where they were it's also possible the Data Miner API can vac reference that tweet to any other media that's posted for example and extract the GPS coordinates from the picture so almost in real time law enforcement was getting updates from Data Miner they were like hey protests is starting here and then law enforcement could immediately react to that that was actually one of the samples the source provided the intercept was like here's you know there's not a lot of information in the message from Data Miner but other than a protest is starting at this location pretty valuable if you're managing hey you got a finite number of cops you got to figure out where to deploy them how do you get maximum protest or arrests that's the game let's say you're a protester how do you organize at this point if you can't like use any sort of messaging given that all of the information here is public I'm not sure that like if it were rioting like a riot may be happening here I would probably be more okay with it but these tools have such a history of abuse that I think we have to air on the other side of no this is insane I think Twitter users would give you the right information they would tell you where there's rioting and looting to try and protect the overall protest yeah so that wouldn't need something like this the citizens would actually here's a crazy idea if the citizens trusted law enforcement they work with can you imagine a police force having an app that the citizens what happens that would be useful for that kind of thing like hey there's looting going on here instead what would happen is like people of color would be shot because a lot of people will be like stuff that's going on here do you like being super Karan's immediately you have to take the either the darkest to look at that which is the reality and you got to think about swatting yeah yeah people I don't bring a child into this krysta and now moving on to the social media section for real after that beautiful transition oh yes those stories were laid out perfectly they were I'm not afraid good job let's talk about tick-tock now Tik Tok was based in Hong Kong and oh boy did they face a lot of heat the I don't know if I put those stories in there I think I was just gonna sum everything up here but so many there was the the government you know allowed to use tick-tock on the government systems oh I did put yeah we do have a story about Amazon but more and more people are like alright we're done don't use tick-tock if you're part of us don't use tick-tock we don't trust them they're evil they're part of the Chinese government because now Hong Kong is part of the Chinese government you can't escape it and if you're tick-tock what are you gonna do tick-tock faces banned in the US and has already pulled out of Hong Kong see I took a different I took something different away from this the reason the tick-tock is pulling out of Hong Kong is because they have a quote unquote behind the Great Firewall of China version of tick-tock which is not called tick-tock and that is what they're gonna make available in home some time with Adi yeah it's like DiMeo or something yeah something like that thank you but it's from the same company it's the same it's now I still don't have a dog in Dalian don't you Krista do you why I in I don't know what you're asking me I don't I don't hear the Chinese ex language expert of the team I don't you the linguist no I don't know how to pronounce that yeah I I went through a phase in high school where I had free time to study a language and I decided I wanted to do an Asian language because it would be very different for many of ours and so I was like let me do Japanese or Chinese and then when I was into both languages I saw Chinese has like tones to it I was like I can't do that nope too difficult when I did it there's like an amazing sentence or it's the same word 50 times but yeah different inflections and it's an actual sentence like self teaching at the time I was like there's no way there's just no way yeah a lot of people complain my thing goes to yeah yeah I mean weird idiosyncrasies but so speaking of tick-tock the some of the backlash that they faced because their Chinese company again the US government I didn't include story about that but if you work for the US government they're saying no no tik tok on your phones i think the military is doing something as well I'm just indeed but the US military and this one was an interesting story because when I included it in the news this wasn't the headline this got updated Amazon back tracks from demand that employees delete Tech Talk so for about five hours it was really tense but Amazon said if you get your Amazon email on phone you can't use tick-tock and then about five hours later they were like this message was sent in error so was it I don't think it was I think that people got upset yeah interesting that there's a lot of control to place on you by an employer is it legal yes if it's uh if you want your work email on the phone then a condition of that can be don't use these apps but if you're required to have your work email on your phone then the employer has to subsidize the phone or give you money or something it has to be some I'm sure that was not doesn't do that so obviously that is just indicative of the heat the tick-tock was getting before they made their big decision and Twitter for Twitter is actually you gotta wonder if they weren't part of this whole thing like behind the scenes like you know Wormtongue again really because tick tock is wiping the floor of Twitter yeah people really I don't know it's not an apples-to-apples there but I think if you spend your time on one you're gonna be less likely spend your time on the other so Twitter getting kind of long in the tooth a lot of other social media things are taking over what do you do they're not really making a lot of money got to think of something new Twitter is working on a subscription platform codenamed Griffin yeah it's Twitter subscriptions you should put books in the bird at least the bottom part it bothers me that they didn't fill in the negative space between the wing in the head with books also what are the odds that they went out of their way to get blue covers right yes although there's some black in there what no Wendell you're the the Twitter addicts do you ever pay a subscription if they could if I could pay like ten dollars a year in turn off ads I probably do that but you already have your ads turned off not on Twitter all in the phone yeah I guess that's true now no one knows exactly what this is gonna do it's just that they are investing into it and they've created something and who knows what would a Twitter subscription look like because I guess it'd be like more exclusive so maybe people would pay for that exclusivity but there's the mention TweetDeck I don't know what's - a deck it's a program for automating tweets and it's it's like a better user interface for Twitter for managing tweets and you used to be able to schedule tweets and you could follow people and threads a lot easier it was just right yeah yeah yeah I don't know what feature they would I mean I would never pay I don't care but yeah what feature could they give their users that would be worth some subscription cost ten dollars a year seems abuelo well something the something awful for him one way they got really huge and popular and one way they dealt with just awful people was to force it to be a subscription only forum which actually seemed to work well for them now if you could throw a dollar a month I don't I guess is in line with what you're saying just to say I'm a real person yeah although I think the interest groups would pay not it's kind of like how dystopian is that where it's like you have to pay to prove that you're real otherwise you're just a bot but I think they you know it wouldn't prove anything it was just but it would make them money George Soros is army it's like what's really a Twitter followers only worry dollars yeah we talked about be Zoe's what is it a hundred and sixty thousand dollars he laughs at that yeah when the AI bots get really good it's like it's like no my best friend Sasha was a bot the entire time truck assembly Amazon break entirely favor but I sent news these nudes are amazing you know what would make them look even better is if he were on a bed of Amazon print just possible and Facebook Facebook is experiencing a bit of a troubled time they have certainly not come through the great you know 2020 transformation in a good way I wouldn't have led with this because this actually happened after the other thing all right we'll switch summary on what was the other thing that would oh okay yeah so we talked about last week when Zuckerberg internally it was leaked they had a meeting and they're like what are we gonna do about this boycott and he was like oh they'll be back and so he had a meeting with them and by them you mean some of the mouthpieces of the you know the canceled culture Unilever and those kind of companies now it was like this was the the actual advertisers yeah sexual advertisers oh I thought it was like they they referenced all the n-double-a-cp ADL Keller have changed sleeping giants in Mozilla yeah I think there was a lot of the leaders of these groups oh and coca-cola and Starbucks and Ford and Verizon actually pulled their ads it was the yeah the the people who are demanding the change and the people who are boycotting who actually have power so from all of that Facebook boycott leaders quote-unquote disappointed after meeting with Zuckerberg and Sandberg the quote I think was no Zuckerberg you don't get an A for attendance you have to give us a plan for how you're gonna resolve these issues you know in a slight defense of Zuckerberg maybe he was expecting is like all right tell me what you want and we'll make it happen because of course this is an impossible situation and they were like no you're gonna tell us how you're gonna fix this if you want our money he will quickly realize I think that there is no amount that will satisfy them and did that led to this and this one again will not satisfy anybody no in fact they immediately attacked it even if it's not even been decided yet they're like no if he does this it's wrong Facebook considers banning political ads before the u.s. 2020 election according to Bloomberg so this would be one way to address this like alright we don't have our platform under control we'll just ban political ads altogether because they seem to make everyone angry I think that's actually a good move the argument against it was that for example you know these people are universally anti Trump and they're like no because Trump has a lot of you know recognition and popularity and he gets himself out there and Joe Biden is basically dead by destroying ads you would remove our ability to attack Trump and you know dispute what he says because no one listens to Joe Biden because again he's basically a corpse the Trump for all the failures is very loud so unacceptable I doubt they will go through with it we could have a better candidate or we could just select a corpse and then hope and browbeat everyone who points out his virginity what do they call it when you hear it more that's that's why it's a little I mean I don't know it something's it's weekend at Bernie's except without Bernie with four years at Bernie's oh wait fucking-a survived I'm not we the time now we shouldn't put his name and finally Facebook in the midst of all this clearly they know they have to do something the storm it seems like the the first idea was just like hunker down it'll pass we'll clean up afterwards but it's just kind of continuing it's committee it was slow ball it's biting into the bottom line what do you do well you want to make some changes but that is not it's a stone it's an object in motion at this point and changing the direction not easy to do too little too late Facebook's oversight board won't watch until a launch until late fall is also described by some of the people who were invited to get I guess comment on the how this is gonna be structured as toothless so the people might be getting a little wise to you know like when we cover Cambridge analytic and it was like oh we're gonna shut down the apps and blah blah blah people are expecting a little bit more concrete stuff than just Facebook's word for things and so Facebook's a word for things that the Oversight Committee will have power it's like all right you know what's the Charter what are the rules what's the process and the executives of Facebook sort of come up empty when providing specifics on that and so a lot of people are like hey this is not this is not cool this this committee is basically going to be toothless they also pointed out this committee only comes into play after a piece of content has been taken down so it's not about proactively cleaning it up it's just deciding whether or not it was valid once something has already been removed I don't think it touches the political ad question okay because those aren't things that get to get the ads you don't get to take those down this is an extra extra extra extra long episode of the news one hour welcome patrons and floatplane subscribers and not youtube comment krista give us a goodbye in the voice of the worst youtube commenter I\n"