The Art and Technology of Conversing with Others in Virtual Reality

Do you have a conversation in the same way you would have face to face, eye contact, eye contact, uh when it's just screen gazing on the outside of your headset blinking blinking lights or it doesn't need to be screens, it just needs to be track dots and then you superimpose it in in VR? Then you have to if you want to really have a real conversation with that person, you also have to be wearing AR glasses to see their eyes. I either have to take mine off or you have to put yours on. Yeah, right. It only works best that way, yeah, who knows it's all very interesting stuff. I'm sure they're all researching this and that does it for this week's podcast.

The Recapping of Jeremy's Disneyland Experience

Thank you for the recap, Jeremy, for your fun times at Disneyland. I'm so glad you got to experience Galaxy's Edge and that too. Uh, any rush to go back? What did you feel like you missed that you have to do next time? Oh, nothing honestly. Like I could see not going back for a couple years; I was traumatized by the crowds. It was it was too much. Obviously, whenever the big ticket ride opens at Adventure Campus, I'll want to check that out.

A Marvelous Encounter with Spider-Man

Oh, I got to see the spider-man though. Like, the robot, the robot? Yeah, how's that? It was wild like and I did one thing I didn't know about this is um there's a lot of Avengers characters in the Avengers Campus who appear on top of the buildings and and perform and wave at the cuffs at the people down below. But the spiders, they're customers; they are customers. One of the cooler ones is Spider-Man, who appears above his building which is the ride, the Spider-Man Ride that you can go in. He'll do a you know a little skit up there and engage with the people down below and then he'll go behind a wall and say he's gonna try something, and then he flies a hundred feet in the air. It's incredible.

A Technical Marvel: The Robot Spider-Man

It's incredible arcs between buildings or at least across a building and then lands behind a wall and that looks like Spider-Man but it's really a robot and it's a humanoid, wireless, completely autonomous robot who is somehow flung into the air and performs the maneuver that has been programmed to do. And presumably lands on a net. You know on the other side. And then the actor comes out as if it was him. What I didn't know is that does different movements like the role you don't know which one you're going to see, the robot do in the air. The one and we were so lucky because there was a massive crowd, and we walked out of the ride and we're walking in front of the crowd, and all the Disney Imagineers were like waving us through because we're pedestrians. They let pedestrians walk by you can't stop.

A Unique Experience for Kids

You can't stop and it just happened to be the moment and we were right in front of the building when Spider-Man went, and I was like guys, you got to watch this, and I was pointing up while we were walking, and my family all freaked out. They loved it. And what I didn't know is like, is that he does different movements? We got one where he looks out of control, which was wild, I mean it really looks human, humanoid, I mean it looks like you wouldn't know it's not a person because it looks realistic. There were kids in that audience who thought it was a person.

An Experience Without Audio

It's wild, super cool. So but I don't like the audio through the speakers; yeah, so everyone can hear Spider-Man. Yeah, but I don't have a super desire to go back anytime soon. It was crazy crowded, and uh we'll see we'll see what comes along that gets me to come back.

A Future Adventure

Did you have one experience that i haven't done? The refurbish of Tower of Terror with Guardians of the Galaxy; it's been open for three years four years now. And it happened that my son will go on that with you as many times as you would like. That's what I want to go on, one of his favorite rides, and that always plays a different song. You don't know what he's gonna get, i didn't know about this until watching the Tower of Terror documentary oh yeah, yeah it's cool behind the attraction. It's good.

A Final Message from Great Shop

Let's play an outro. Here we go. Hi there, I didn't see here just one story this week. What were you guys doing? 1.8 billion years ago floating around the universe in various forms see you next week bye

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey let's start the show for thursday july 29th 2019 no 2021 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast of tested dot com welcome to the podcast this week and welcome to a duo cast as we have jeremy williams back from his week off and norm here today this week i gotta tell you this pascal this this has been uh the theme of this past week has been family you are on a trip with family jeremy which yep i would absolutely love to hear about and i've been dealing with with family illness yeah thankfully no no kovid we all got our tests we're all good but i don't know about you but i i finally had to do the thing of forcing a toddler to ingest tylenol and it was unpleasant did you have to go through that no just my cat oh i imagine that i actually don't know which which is worse also unpleasant yeah absolutely and for everyone involved right like not just for the cat but for everybody that you had to to force feed uh liquid i assume right liquid tylenol yeah i mean we were we were ready to go with the suppositories if those were an option they do those they're not over the counter i believe they are prescription this is full dad talk by the way but yeah i i need to this is like top of mind because we're just at the doctors and this has been a thing there's you know fevers going on and obviously in the current environment we're all freaked out so we we try to give our kid tylenol but he's the smart one you try all the psychological ways you try mixing with milk mixing it with juice you find the different flavors there's the colorless uh white grape flavor there's the the traditional cherry flavor you know nothing works they're so smart a two and a half year old their taste buds are finely tuned because they have they have millennia of of of genes that have to keep them alive and so they can't eat the berry that has the bad stuff in it they have to eat the good berry so they know this is the good berry this is the berry that helps them that reduces the temperature but it's not even like the the taste because we've experimented i've done the taste test i'm like okay this is diluted enough in the milk it's even the action of loading up the bottle even it's all the nuances they're perceptive they know when the body they know when we're tense and we're trying to coerce them so they know when yeah something's up and so we had the we had to do the the arms held down and the nose squeezed and the the jaw clenched we had to do that and it was unpleasant let me tell you wow 9 p.m and 2 a.m in the morning last night unpleasant even 2 a.m wow he's probably zonked and you'd think that'd be a little easier we tried mixing with with ice cream we tried we tried all all the things all the tricks uh thankfully the fever was down today so that's why we're still reporting or recording a podcast but just wanted to put that out there i now fully feel like i am a parent very thankfully not having to do that for the past two years but finally going through that ritual and i'm sure there'll be many more times to come but uh just one of the joys and i was glad to hear you went to the doctor and everything's fine everything's fine so they were very thorough great good yeah yes yes but you were on a road trip or you were had family time as well you went on a road trip of course uh down to down to disneyland yep anaheim and anaheim uh and universal studios uh based on kashore's recommendation burbank yeah we went down i took the week off after we finished the space jam game and we went uh took the kids they couldn't wait you know i mean after kovit just couldn't wait to get back to something something fun and uh disneyland is where you know it's our spot we've we've gone ever since my daughter was born 11 years ago and uh yeah we hadn't been since galaxy's edge opened so it had been a little bit you have never been you had never stepped foot you've watched the videos or you're actually refrained from watching videos we had talked about the experience i didn't i didn't see the videos of rise of the resistance but i had seen i had seen galaxy said you couldn't miss that on twitter you know photos were flying by everywhere um and you know uh the drive was great we had a good time uh we stayed there it was wonderful very comfortable um people were wearing masks appropriately um of course with the delta variant it was like as that was on the rise and our trip was coming closer we were a little more nervous so we were more conservative than we'd planned to be in terms of like masking up but um in fact by the time we got to burbank it was like the city ordinance everybody had to wear masks inside right there so um it yeah that was not part of the plan we made had not have made these plans if we'd known that there was going to be the second wave nonetheless um everyone seems healthy knock on wood uh after the trip and uh yeah we had a good time and i mean i gotta tell you i know there are people who have been the galaxy's edge now since you know since it opened but many times me not being one of them um until recently i gotta tell the people who haven't been like it's cool it's cooler than i expected uh it's and i had heard that that what they tried to do was really make it feel like you stepped into the star wars universe and and i kind of thought okay that means i'm going to see a lot of star wars stuff and merchandise but the cool thing is i don't think this is my impression you tell me if i'm right or wrong but my impression is you don't see a star wars logo anywhere in in that space maybe on a shirt that they're selling somewhere on the tag if you look closely of course but it is not anywhere and and everywhere you look there they use the language that people learn before they go there i know dan amrick learned it uh before going one time i forget what it's called arabesh if you learn that language that language is used throughout uh in the outpost whatever the land it's uh well it's the calligraphy it's it's like the the the it's like egyptian right there's like the whole uh translation you you need like the equivalent of uh the uh what's that um uh the the thing that can that big translation thing rosetta stone rosetta stone you need the the galactic rosetta stone to to translate between all the hit and this is for people who want to diabetes which turns out you have that it's in the app you can load that up and get the translations but i just thought it was cool walking in there and seeing that like for um you know rise of the resistance or um the the the han solo smugglers run like those rides aren't even like there's no big sign above them saying smugglers run or rise of the resistance it really looks like just you know star wars space ports and they might have like a scrolling message across the top of the of the entryway that says like shuttle boarding now and they tell you like the group number that's currently boarding or current wait time but they they have done such an extraordinary job of making of making it feel like you are you know a fish out of water like you've landed on this other planet and this is just the this is the natural ecosystem these are the people that live here this is the environment and it really it more than i expected feels like you are stepping into the star wars universe and in fact when like you get when you leave to uh fantasyland or whatever you know part of disneyland you're coming from there aren't even signs to it like that there are crossroads and there's some of the signs say you know fantasyland this way but there's nothing telling you what's that way and you just wander down you usually go through a tunnel and that's when you hear the most loud um components of this of the john williams score that was written the original score yeah yeah four galaxy judge and it's it's just this beautiful atmospheric song that that just completely you know adds to that element of being transported and you feel like you're warping somewhere else transportation is the the key here because originally when remember when the galaxy's edge first opened uh they originally gated how many people could even enter that subset of disney world boarding groups right so you would have to just like with new avengers campus to enter a ventures campus there's a queueing system because it's so impacted and so originally and now it's kind of free-flowing you can kind of walk in through the two main entrances uh as you want but previously it was board and group design also you know you would have your set time you would be allotted a certain amount of time that way they could not have it feel as packed full of tourists and and you know and feel like you are a different place it takes that whole idea i think cars land did it previously the best in the eco disney ecosystem at least in the california disney uh between that and dca this california's venture uh in terms of putting you in a location that feels like it's right out of a a movie because you're right when disney land first opened uh it was the various lands and the berm system was the the thing that really separated that from uh any other theme park with this big eight foot wall that they built that they dug the whole the whole of the park is enclosed with the train track which makes it feel like when you're there you don't you're not in anaheim you don't see the freeway you don't hear the freeway um and it was a big complaint with disney california california mentioned when you could see the hotels and you could see the the the sight lines didn't feel like you were enclosed in a space and they remedied that with cars land which was a recreation of the you know the uh radiator springs in the movies so they had all the classic the the v8 you know uh uh fuel up station the the cone hotel motels all these places are out of the movies but with with galaxy's edge it was specifically designed not to be a specific place from the movies batu is an original creation and it has that feeling of star wars because it has that you know how all the star wars movies hoth is an ice planet like planets are a single ecosystem yep and the batu ecosystem is like the petrified rainforest ecosystem it's old trees old rocks uh with a long history on the you know on the uh the outer rim so where where uh resistance and first order can kind of cross paths did you get a sense of that geography as well where there were like the neutral places like the bazaar like the shopping place but where rise of resistance is is more resistance oriented and where like the big kylo ren tie fighter that's more like imperial themed right yeah i got that yeah but it was i just felt like that was more of like that was the imperial or more of like a spaceport closer to the to the bazaar where they might land and it was more industrial and then out in the woods you had like the resistance yeah yeah whereas the resistance ride is and you have the x-wing there so you like you can definitely feel like there's they very well thought out the geography and also that kind of illusion that when you're in that shopping market you don't feel like you're a disneyland like i think they really successfully made it feel like a a whole park into itself inside a theme park yeah the people who are cleaning up disneyland are look like they're from the land like they have these cool hats uh that that go that i don't know they look like um vietnamese they're really cool uh everything about that land and honestly walking around that space by far and at night by the way was the highlight of my trip like it was just it wasn't buying anything that the bazaar as cool as it is and it is worth going and looking at the details in every nook and cranny the merchandise is the least interesting part because exclusive merch oh that's all exclusive okay that's all good but i'm just saying that the details they put into each shop like no it's all very bespoke it's it's like that there is a an amazing mobile that tells the story of the empire strikes back i know the exact story you're talking about asteroid asteroids yes you know uh a flight where they're uh the hunt where uh the millennium falcon is trying to evade the tie fighters and it's it's awesome right it's the whole idea is at that part of the star wars galaxy people are the rumors right the story of star wars or just like how episode four five and six is throw six is told through the perspective of the droids here it's like people who have whispers of luke skywalker whispers of what happened with the death star and that story talking about is the children's store where it's mobiles and dolls like a stormtrooper doll like right out of rogue one it's all those things where like okay it's again indoctrinating the kids our kids into star wars with kid-friendly toys but also in universe there's a logic to the whole thing too yeah but the rides the rides tell me about your experience with the rides well i'm i'm the only one from mike from my group that wanted to do smugglers run and so i did it late at night in the singles line which by the way is the way to do it because you got a 45 minute wait any other way the singles line i went practically walked right on of course i had to be an engineer and i was like ah i'm an engineer in my day job i got to be an engineer on vacation too dad that's the parent seat in the back the supervisor c yeah exactly whatever like it was cool uh but we had a couple kids flying that i don't think he'd ever flown a spaceship in their life like they're just like apparently one pilot is like up and down the other pilot is left and right so i thought that was cool it reminded me a lot of the quadcopter thing we did on yes fits to atoms where you know four people had to fly one quadcopter with all the uh you know controlling one axis uh and i was you know pressing i was telling trying to help my engineer my other my co-engineer i was teaching him how to engineer having this be my first flight and engineering and i got a hundred percent by the way i was very proud of myself which apparently apparently like actually has an effect if you go to ogus cantina or whatever the bar like some some some way somehow how well you do um affects how you're treated and i forget how but like i thought that was cool i didn't experience that because i didn't go to the cantina i couldn't make a reservation that's a big line yeah me neither yet um but and then of course rise of the resistance i had heard from people that who who go you know with with a group like they do a poll before and after rise of the distance what's your favorite disney ride it's consistently that's their favorite ride in the entire park afterwards and and i and i understand why like it's it's not the incredi coaster it's not a thrill ride but if you take a moment and think about all of the creativity that went into making that ride and all of the different technologies that you know had to coalesce in order to make that ride even possible let alone construct it twice you know across the country i mean amazing amazing and the whole the whole experience was was well worth it the boarding passes um you know i'm glad they're doing that it's the app yep sadly it's the uh those that and the spider-man thing over in avengers um vendors campus the only two rides that have any kind of you know cue they're not even doing fast pass yet which is is like a real downside to going to disneyland right now because you're always going to be in a line um but yeah the um it was great i mean i don't want to spoil rise of the resistance for people like myself who didn't want to even see a youtube video beforehand but heck yeah that's worth it i'm so glad to have done it and i got to see both i got to see both versions because i don't know if you know this but but if if this if the if a component breaks down there's an alternate thing that happens that's right no no you can talk about this i i didn't i don't know about this give me the details okay well so if um if kylo ren um if his there's a there's several tronic there's several different colorants in the experience but if the main animatronic figure isn't working um you you see something entirely different which is a projection of him in a spaceship outside and then it like other stuff happens this is the ride portion when you're on the the omni moving vehicle exactly that was uh so the tech of rise of resistance all sits on the shoulders of things they've developed previously so it's just much like how the indiana jones ride made its way into the dinosaur ride in florida same thing of a track but also you're on a motion simulator that's on the track here is the ratatouille ride in disney paris that had the free-moving you know uh self-contained vehicle that moves through a program track that you're on in the latter portion of the rise of resistance ride which then also piggybacks on a lot of like the projection mapping stuff and i would say and of course animatronics which they like they just went overboard with like the number of animatronics in this ride they didn't have to do but i felt like there was a point of pride for them to to have in every corner you know some animatronic scene happening yeah and some of it mixed with other special effects which is cool so it wasn't just like pirates of the caribbean which is one of my favorite rides of all time but it wasn't like it's just an animatronic like they would combine an animatronic with a projection that's behind it or with like what looks like a holographic laser ray that comes out of of a projection and it's really cool the combination of effects that they put together there i would say that that effect the projection map effect is my favorite part of that ride uh there's simulation stuff there's misdirection there is interactive like immersive theater that's in there uh but the the room with the the at-ats in the effect of them firing at you and what it does to an environment yeah that felt magical to me yeah i wasn't expecting that at all and i started like saying fire again fire because i wanted to sort of see how does that work what are they doing um and it's not it's not terribly complicated what they're doing like there isn't like lasers don't travel through the whole room just just enough to give you that parallax and give you that sense of depth that this laser has just actually traveled through the air yeah it's really cool and then the immersive theater component that you mentioned is man that's probably the aspect that i was least prepared for i had no idea i had no idea because it's unlike any other disney ride like obviously there are people people who man the the rides at disneyland are in character and especially like on like when uh the mission breakout used to be tower of terror those people were in the spirit of it they were like twilight zone you know hotel workers you know and it was it was cool and they'd put you on the ride and that would be the end of it but in this it's like there are three three parts where you're just meeting completely different characters and they you know they they order you around they tell you what to do they're they're on your side they're not on your side and it's it really is like you've you're being you're like you were saying immersive theater like you've gone to um the speakeasy or something and you've like entered this other thing where you if you wanted to you could engage with these people and improv with them it's very and they're trained to do so with both adults and kids and kids who are maybe want to break the system again like you know they had the jedi training academy which also you could say is a immersive theatrical experience when you have kids being brought up on stage to to train and fight against darth maul or darth vader this is all kind of of that dna and i would even say like that the the the star trek the experience ride had some of that and that was certainly a different company yeah and this has a lot of that where you feel like you're a part of a group a tour group or something that gets taken on for a journey that's not just the motion simulator aspect but you know physical journey as well with a lot of cool misdirection that happens um to go back to smuggler's run uh what'd you think about like the the graphics of that or the the carousel system they had to make it feel like you and the other six five people the six people of the cockpit were the only ones there yeah completely transparent like obviously they did a great job with that um and the the graphics are incredible i mean they're really really good um as they are on the new uh spiderman ride over in avengers campus which where they've not you know they've gone the extra mile and said well we could probably earn even more money by selling um you know things that you augment your wrist with in the gift shop before you get on the ride that allows you to fire three times as many webs or project images into the video game yeah you know so so like they're starting to figure out why real time matters and it's not just control it's also the ability to earn money apparently um so it's all good but there yeah the the video game meets theme parks phenomenon is a good thing and i think we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg there are parts of the good thing what you just described with the the micro transaction aspect of it and it seems to me like there might be some someone who works there that used to work at ea or something and it could it's a slippery slope we'll just call it that i want to i do want to warn people who are on the fence about going right now and obviously with delta variant you have reason to be on the fence um but it is crowded like i i mentioned my family was eager to get back to something fun out of the house everybody's feeling that way that place disneyland right now is as crowded on wednesday as it is on saturday it's nuts there's no dip and it's hot it's 88 degrees you know which in anaheim is hot and uh that's why i bought this white t-shirt and so i like you really got to ask yourself like how much how much do i want to go right now i can't maybe i could wait till the slightly less popular season because it's it's really something else and we went to universal studios afterwards which was was 100 degrees oh my gosh so tell me about that experience this is your first time on the harry potter land yeah yeah i know i wish cause short was here because he's the reason why we went practically because he was saying that that's his favorite park in in l.a um and it was uh you know i got to be honest with you like i think not unlike galaxy's edge the harry potter land was the most interesting aspect to me if you wander around that space and you can get you of course you have to buy it you get a wand you can cast spells but just all of the stores that you can go in and the great work they did reconstructing hogwarts the exterior of it was just great it was really good work on their part and um it the fact that we're in 100 degree weather surrounded by buildings with snow on the roof but definitely definitely some dissonance there but it was it was very cool the rides i mean there's two rides at harry potter land one is an a real roller coaster which is not inside universal's comfort zone they're almost all of their rides are motion simulators where you're inside of a contraption sort of like star tours yeah with a spider-man ride in florida like they've really pioneered the with 3d glasses and you know ways to make motion simulator combined with uh a 3d effect and the other harry potter ride is the most advanced version of that uh i forget what they call it but it's one that's you're on a robot arm dude it's like yeah it's like it's a robot arm it can face you in any direction so you're strapped in there you're fit you're facing up you're facing down and half the time you are sort of being moved and you know jerked around in front of it what feels it's it's not 3d glasses but it is like a domed screen so you feel like you're uh it's a mini imax like a mini dome imax planetarium imax and you're flying 200 miles an hour on a you know behind harry potter playing quidditch and then and then the it's the robot arm swings you around and you're in the real world and you're seeing real things like real um you know dragons and things and that component like when i was seeing real things i was comfortable but i for whatever reason i have reached an age my friend where the the universal style ride that motion simulator thing where you're in front of a screen and you're being jerked around moving around that does not work for me anymore oh no so yeah i need dramamine next time i go there i'm telling you guys it is tough and i'm watching all these kids come off this ride and think oh my god that was amazing that was the most incredible thing so i know it's a good ride i've heard it but it's it was not for me however the jurassic world ride i don't know if you've ridden that yet that's the one not the new one with the the underwater tank and the 3d that happens there yeah yeah that's cool like that there's that's all it's a water it's a water you know ride and uh it's it has a great ending and it's a ride where you it's not you might get wet you do get wet like you got the combining the old jurassic park uh downhill splash one yeah yeah so it still has that component but the it front loads the the initial one where you they had the big animatronic you know uh brachiosaurus that came out of the water they've changed that to incorporate the the new dinosaurs from jurassic world exactly yeah and a lot of that is projections it's all it's all kind of cg on screens that look like the side of an aquarium which it's a good effect it's cool but because they do incorporate water into that as if the the dinosaur the aquatic dinosaur causes these splashes to happen so that's a really cool effect but then of course you do see animatronic dinosaurs but it all like you know how like most water rides if you get splashed it's because you know you went under a waterfall or you hit you hit the rocks and the water came up this ride just squirts water at you like you yeah they're gonna make you wet and i gotta tell you like on a 100 degree day they know exactly that's what it was it used to be no matter what time of year you go to the jurassic park ride universal to get wet you know it was like splash mountain on steroids because they would be a much deeper plunge and you get to buy the t-shirt and then you go to backdraft which is the on the part of the backlog trim tour or the backdraft stage show if that's still there and get dry from that because they have the flames once your punch get wet at jurassic park get dry and backdraft wow yeah the strategies oh totally it's all about the strategies the whole theme park thing uh with the harry potter one i love the transition so it's like you know it's robot arms on a track moving between these half dome screens right and the half dome screens were kind of like when they did the uh back to the future motion simulator ride which is a bunch of deloreans in front of a curved screen all sharing like as opposed to you you know you and a bunch of people sitting in front of an imax it's you and a bunch of other cars sitting in front of a giant domed imac screen and they've shrunken that experience down so as opposed to you know how many a dozen of cars all in motion simulators looking at one screen it's multiple screens that then the robot arms transition you and have you stay from each segment so those little transition elements i love those because how natural they feel they would like put you through the side of a building or you know it feels continuous in the story they're telling i'm gonna take you i'm gonna take your word on that because my eyes were closed for the projection portion oh i'm sorry i was i was i was peeking i was like when am i in a real world thing and then it opened my eyes check that out yeah well if people don't want to go to disneyland or universal now or theme park now because of rising delta variant cases or just because how packed they are i would highly recommend on disney plus we briefly talked about this a new documentary series called behind the attraction and uh there was the imagineering story which uh disney plus lunch with uh it's um that was a like a multi-part really beautifully shot like a real prestige series about the history of disneyland parks and the imagineering team and all of this stuff like we confess like this is all big they're shows meant to sell you on the disney you know going to parks and and going on cruises right they're all big basically infomercials uh but i enjoyed watching them and this new series called behind the attraction i was watching it's like a five episode series now but they've booked 10 episodes but each episode is about a specific ride at disneyland whether it's jungle cruise to promote the new jungle cruise movie or tower of terror or star tours uh or haunted mansion they show you a lot of the mechanics not only the history of how the ride was made and the writing and the sculpting and the animatronics work but like all the modernization of these rides that's a deeper dive than we've seen previously um how long are the episodes they're about 45 minutes long and they straight they end up like the star tours one ends up being a promotion for galaxy's edge right even though it's half an hour's of the history of star tours and the relationship there but you get to see like the original motion simulator that they went to london the imagineers went to the subcontractor in london to see when they were scouting out motion simulators to design for star tours and they talked about how when dennis mirren and his team at ilm needed to film the miniatures all those original scenes they had the transition elements were basically flashes you know laser blasts and they don't even went to star wars back in the 90s or remember that that big flash transition you can watch them on youtube actually um but one of the things like uh they were on these motion simulators and to make you feel like you were falling like it was it was like 15 feet or something you had to reset that so they had to script out the flight so there would be a portion where they would convince you like you were being tractor beam and so the motion simulator would slowly rise so then you could have a falling portion that's interesting because they've obviously taken those lessons to over to rise to the resistance as i'm sure they've taken lessons from everywhere there's an amazing part like in rise where you enter through a door of a spaceship and you exit through the same door and you're an entirely new environment it's amazing can you and i did not you don't feel that happening when you're inside the ship because they sync it up with the motion of the flight it's wild yeah yeah that's it it's all the stuff that's so wonderful about imagineering but also you know to i don't know if you heard about this but imagineering's moving they're all moving to florida or a big part of imagineering's moving to florida uh and you know it's like thousands of thousands of jobs in the next couple of years wow outside of folks who i think engineers and imagineers who are dedicated to disney only are staying in the la area but their whole parks team and experiences team uh so much of that is moving to a whole new installation in florida so you know new new management and they're they're changing it up um before we move on to the news i also want to hear about your your uh road trip experience because this was your first time with the new car new ev driving down we can call it a tesla we can call it a tesla yeah yes i know and and i gotta tell you i have had a it was a great experience it was a perfect experience and i know not that's not been everybody's experience i you know uh wida tweeted i think today that he would not recommend you buying a tesla because nothing he's had nothing but bad experience with his yeah his model x yes uh but my uh my model y treated us extremely well and um i the supercharger experience compared to what i have what i know from charging with the bolt is a different thing like it's so fast it's so fast 100 miles in 10 10 minutes it's like incredible and uh so stopping stopping was never a chore in fact if anything we had to race back to the car in order to avoid getting charged for you know idle time yeah so um it was it was easy we could have honestly done the the trip to anaheim with a with a single or at least a burbank with a single stop um easily uh and and it's you know but we chose to stop a couple times just because we we need like getting out of the car for a few minutes so it was great um everybody enjoyed karaoke and the the sound system and the autopilot everyone trusted me to be behind the wheel with that which yeah i appreciate it confidence for the whole family i didn't let them down not in the car didn't didn't let me down thankfully that's good that's good uh you know it's still still it's not we're in this weird phase uh with with autopilot i don't think it should be named that uh even full self-driving should not be named that like the thing that they're that they're not even finished with the beta of yet you know the city full self-driving it's still hands on the wheel it's still you got to keep your eyes on the road that's not what i would consider full self-driving yeah so i do think they have a branding problem but it's working for them you can't even buy a tesla right now uh and and get it before november or at least not a model y so it's yeah um it is what it is but uh i you know if you know what the limitations are and you you're safe and you treat it like a really powerful auto or um cruise control then it's a then it's a good thing and i it made the trip a lot easier i could relax a lot more than i would have otherwise i mean adaptive cruise control is becoming a normal thing for a lot of car manufacturers too if you just want the safety of staying between the lanes and keeping not only a set speed but also set distance in front of the cars ahead of you yeah that i feel like is the game-changing thing when more cars have that rather than the the navigate full navigate on autopilot with the lane changing and the exit changing especially that if you're just going down i-5 for a couple hundred miles you don't need that necessarily the lane changing right the exit is taking uh what do you think of the stops the the big kettlebell city the big supercharger lounge and as well as the my recommendation of stopping on over at 152 at a casa de fruda yeah we did that in both directions we loved it uh we went and picked up some dried fruit some nuts yeah it was great uh we yeah the train came along with it with the kids in tow and uh they said there was like some old junky cars on the left and there was the tesla superchargers on the right and the conductor was like there's the old technology on the left and the new technology on the right and i felt like i was part of the exhibit which was funny because it was you know just coming out of the theme parks it was fun um it was great and the kettleman city stop is just i don't know what what non-tesla drivers must think of that it's weird it's like it's like the supercharger area has a building associated with it which very few do this is the only one i know of where you can if you get the code from your screen when you pull in you can go inside this building and uh lounge use the restroom buy some snacks or best or or a t-shirt a tesla t-shirt or best yet buy a coffee from the barista and one of the coffees on that menu is called the autopilot oh my god that's i don't think that's a good idea to name your coffee which is insinuating yeah which is you don't know what it is you let the barista choose for you make you whatever coffee she wants to make you and i see i i went straight to autopilot and i got the most delicious sweet cinnamon coffee i've had and it was great i thought it was to insinuate that with this coffee you can feel like you're driving on autopilot because you'll be so awake and alert right that when you get back on the freeway that sounds more like a brand like for an actual coffee drink yeah all right yeah it's it's like an airport lounge it feels like a classy airport lounge and exactly where they're designing some of this stuff you know it can feel attractiony in terms like you know the the shopping that's around there or the the stops around there although they also have i think on i5 a new one that just opened this past year that's like 56 chargers it just feels like almost like an empty parking lot of chargers with under underneath solar panels uh and that's just like this huge huge swath of a parking lot that's just for charging yeah that sounds like one of the stops i stopped at it it was cool to be you know charging underneath a ceiling of solar panels it was neat driving on the sun yeah yeah all right enough catch up there we're gonna switch over switch gears to some news and let's just play a little bit of an interstitial so jeremy you weren't here to talk about the steam deck i'm sorry you missed that conversation last week were there any additional thoughts uh additional what do you think i listened to last week's podcast i have no idea what your thoughts although i did hear that stapes was a huge hit i saw lots of responses on twitter like have that guy back that's good for him i'm glad you had him on um i i i was thankfully i'm very feel very lucky i was the first person i know to to um to to get my order in on the steam deck i think i was a couple minutes ahead of you i know i was like 45 minutes or at least maybe a half hour in front of our friend mike micah who was refreshing the whole time that was that's the problem you don't refresh you press the button and let it go well whatever i think he was doing it right but i he just he was getting the error constantly yeah um and it was you know and then um our friend kevin like had to wait until the evening but everyone everyone's in now and um i i'm very excited for it like i i think this really is legitimately something new that i've never had before like being able to treat the pc gaming experience as a mobile you know experience with a user-friendly it's whatever ui you want you can install whatever storefront you want but even if you just stick to steam like it's a very user-friendly experience it's uh you know not it's very different than the traditional pc experience and at least from there from the outside that's what it looks like it goes such against the grain of what so many companies are betting on which is 5g and which a streaming experience whether streaming media or interactive media netflix is moving in the games so like so much and you know even wife or a vr wireless vr right the idea of remote compute being a thing that all you need locally is a something with an internet connection and and some um video decompression uh and input this is the old way of packing all the hardware and all that thermal into a piece of hardware that they're charging you know still a premium price for i because even though they would say that they're taking a hit or that they're charging they struggle to get to that 400 price point but that is very much against the grain of of uh of where we see a lot of mobile going i guess so it but that that direction that we've been seeing people pursue has has been hasn't you know delivered anything that i'm interested in i've tried some of the streaming services and it's just not there are compromises and this is a solution to those compromises which is like forget that that's not working yet let's put some horsepower in this thing and and run the games locally and give you you know you might have to sacrifice frame rate in order to get battery life those are now the the trade-offs that you're going to deal with but at least you get the lowest latency possible for input and visuals and and i would even say though that streaming like you have to understand which of the compromises you're willing to accept and for a lot of people streaming you know xbox or pc uh to even a ios tablet is perfect acceptable and even streaming vr we found is acceptable with you know with oculus airlink and you know if i had the option if they gave me an option to buy a much lighter vr headset that was just an airlink headset that was ergonomically designed for that i'd pick that up right away so you're saying something you could use on wi-fi locally at your home i'm thinking of something you could take with you on vacation well and i think that they're also betting i think you're right for vacation the dedicated hardware is what is is still king it's why switch is sold so well right uh and and why laptops you know why we aren't on the even on the computing side just doing workstations at workstations only makes sense in the kind of home office environment or or shared office environment with a really solid strong internet connection but i do see those two paths as being viable options and it's really interesting that you have you know steam that works on ios and as streaming and steam that now works on a dedicated hardware device right if people want to buy it and all that elevates their ecosystem um and people are happy to buy or choose which which hardware solution works best for them and the steam deck is backwards compatible with the other direction like you can stream whatever you want if you're if you find a streaming app if you want to you know stream your home games or whatever you want over wi-fi or the internet to that device and see how that works for you and get a taste of that direction you can certainly do that but i'm saying that i i feel like that one device does all certainly it's a nice list of features to have yeah but i would be happy with two devices you know and to use the vr analogy i would be happy with the dedicated com you know the the vive focus 3 or the the quest 2 or whatever the quest 3 becomes with local compute right or a tethered connection in addition to another device that's maybe cheaper that's just a display has no local compute maybe more battery and ergonomically designed and optimized for wi-fi streaming or 5g streaming whatever that ends up being yeah i could see that being a thing on consoles too yeah i don't know we'll see it's going to be what six more months before we get ours uh so it's i'm excited um but you know i and honestly like i'm excited to get it just to have it but i could see people who are i'm not hardcore in pc games anymore that is not how i spend the majority of my free time whereas it used to be and it's where my it's where my son is certainly right now he's on he plays pc games with every free moment that he has and if he had something like this and he represents millions of people if he had something like this this is like unquestionably the way that he would spend his vacations as well you know when he goes on the road or is uh he would turn on his phone's wi-fi hotspot get online and play rust with his friends um or in the hotel room or anywhere else like the the ability to to have you know that's the big question i have the thing i'm most excited to try is does it do fps well can really does it really feel like mouse and keyboard uh because i i mean yeah most of those games all support gamepad now but i want to see what those touch pads feel like combined with the analog sticks and and see like how and and the accelerometer because that plays a component too in the aiming so i want to see how that feels and i know there's going to be a learning curve but i want to see how long that is and uh if i can end up being you know at least as good a player as i am with mouse and keyboard i i feel like you could have that experience with the steam controller already and the steam controller would be the best version of that gamepad fps experience that valve designed for with the actuators on the large thumb pads here they're smaller thumb pads you sell the paddles you have all the same input technically but you're also sharing that space ergonomically with the screen and the hardware underneath yeah so it's not as ergonomic it looks as the seam controller we'll see i think that they've done some improvements on that technology since the steam controller they've certainly done even improvements since the index controllers they said that they they learned lessons from those thumb sticks drifting yup yup not just the drifting but you know i think like not being able to press it if you were directing the stick up and stuff like that and they claim like gabe claims they got some great thumbsticks on this new device which is you know beyond what they've had before and uh yeah yeah he's he it's his job to try to sell it but it's not like their business relies on this like this is that's what's cool about this is that this is an experiment that they can afford to you know splurge on and maybe not break even right out the door with and uh i think that's cool i think that's cool that this wildly successful you know storefront uh company can't does invest in these experimental pieces of hardware like the index and the steam controller and now this and this is this could potentially be very very very very big i mean it could be a new way of looking at the pc you know gaming ecosystem if it becomes successful and everyone will have its eyes on it then you're going to see amd which makes chips for this maybe do their own because they sell the hardware they can't sell the hardware and it's just you know running linux something you know free and and proton and running an emulation to run steam i don't know about the the dells of the world maybe razer maybe razer which also dabbles in kind of far out hardware experiments will seize on this and and do something similar and also have it run steam and do it you know bring the razer flare to it with you know all those color leds um so it'll be interesting i'm curious to know if they think of this like the index in it being a model a high bar for other manufacturers and oems to take and take the lead in a baton and run with it uh or if it'll be like the index and that it still becomes the thing that a lot of that core base wants and no one else decided to run with it in that same way um i think this is gonna be way more successful than the index like they're gonna sell millions of these things and i mean if they can if they can ship it if they can ship a million of those that's true it's true but i think that that there's way more demand for something like this than there is for the index i mean the index was a one thousand dollar vr headset that required a gaming pc and this is a four hundred dollar portable gaming pc that plays the content that has the content right and exactly the robust theme library that they've built up over the this past you know decade and a half uh immediately has all that accessible plus this whole next generation of games running at 720p you know 30 fps minimum is the bar they've set but does it have a crank crank no crank no but it might be a usp usb peripheral oh yeah there you go yeah you know i'll say the the pre-orders for the steam deck and my anticipation for that has actually diminished my anticipation for the play date to a point where the play date pre-orders are up tomorrow or today as you're listening to this on july 29th the previews are up people of rs technica verge and uh other people have had their hands on the playdate tiny game console um for a few weeks now and they reviewed some of these games i don't know if i'm going to be first in line for a pre-order here how much is it 180 dollars oh come on you can do that you can it plus it comes with the games with the first season of the game yeah how long is the season a couple months oh is that it i thought it was like six months but maybe yeah it's so novel like i just think it's cool like the the idea that first of all the novel interface is it the fact that they got that they decided that they added a crank to it opens the door to mechanics that you can't get on anything else you can't get it on pc you can't get it on the switch nobody else has the crank so it's just like a spinner in the arcadia like it's it's why you would go to arcades is to see interfaces that you'd never seen before and never interacted with and didn't have at home and so now they're making a console that has that and i love that component it's sort of like what the 3ds kind of did um but you know not exactly but i i just like that it has that novel input mechanic now the the one bit graphics also limiting which is going to create some interesting aesthetics that um you know some people are masters at and some people aren't we'll see which games take advantage and know how to work within the constraints of a single or two colors on and off um but i do think that that's going to give it a different kind of look that could be that could be interesting i'm not sure that that's going to be quite the selling point for me that that the crank is but the idea that you and i everybody who has it gets the same games that's the killer app it's not the crank day and date frank isn't the killer app i mean if the crank was killer up i could wait till the play dates on sale i could buy a used one the killer app is the network effect yeah of everyone getting the same game at the same time and i want to be in that conversation it treats chatting with everyone game is sort of like television where it's like the the episode airs and you see the water cooler talk on twitter and that could potentially happen among you know friends who have this thing and i think that's going to probably be a good that's gonna be good for sales as well people are gonna pick it up because they're gonna see people talking about it because everybody gets these things at the same time and nobody's left out of the conversation unless you just simply decide not to play it it's not like you have to buy the game on uh release day as you would with something like ratchet and clank which is you know something cool but not the same thing well i'll tell you that that group of people who will be able to talk about games will be limited to 20 000 at least for this year so last week we talked about how the kind of the leaked numbers or the uh the calculated numbers by the the fan community for steam deck estimated about 70 000 for the the first 90 minutes of sales or something uh but panic has already said play date if you pre-order thursday 10 a.m pacific only the first 20 000 or so they they think they can ship this year that's not going to stop your pre-order but the rest will be recipe next year and that shows you how hard it is in this current day and age they do hardware manufacturing with the chip shortages around the world with shipping short shipping holdups it's it's difficult to make hardware and even a company as big as valve and this flush's valve you know is going to run into those supply constraints that's rough man i don't yeah i mean whatever i mean shortages worked for nintendo i'm sure that if it ends up being a hit the they will keep their orders and they'll get them out next year but i wish that that seems like a low number to me and they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna hit that number pretty quickly well shortages also work for playstation because the ps5 has sold 10 million consoles they just announced i mean the fastest selling playstation ever and it's still impossible to get yeah so yeah yeah yeah i mean that's that's this is where we are i mean it's not just that it's the chip shortage there it is something people spent a lot of time at home and they were looking for fun so they tried to buy a ps5 yeah and there's also the scalpers let's not forget that i ca i believe a significant number of that 10 million are still in the hands of the gray market uh it is infuriating um but i i assume they're making them as fast as they can and by the time i'm able to buy one there'll be more games to play more ps5 dedicated games to play um all right last bits of news uh arcade one up announced the simpsons console this is akin to the ninja turtles one four players um i don't think they announced uh pricing pre-orders start mid-august august 16th but the turtles and time cabinet was 650 they're bumping these up incrementally in price it's a lot to pay but it's also a fan favorite i loved that simpsons arcade uh when i was a kid the four-player simpsons one they also included simpsons bowling in this game as well but just just two games for 650 bucks potentially it's a lot this was you're talking about the simpsons brawler uh yeah yeah okay yeah yeah the simpsons arcade game it was basically the turtles game you know the you marge with the vacuum cleaner with the skateboard uh mr burns kidnaps maggie i mean it's classic i didn't realize this i didn't realize this was just announced like it was it leaked a couple months ago uh but i guess yeah it's good to see they made the official announcement i mean it's a good-looking cabinet yeah i i think a bunch of their releases leaked when some of the retailers had some some uh like excel files that people were able to access and see release dates so yeah they're still steady with the release strategy and of course the arcade one ups are great platforms for people to build their own main emulators and and their home homebrew arcade systems you know you can buy your own arcade sticks and you have the form factor you can get uh replacement screens and or like the marquee and do all sorts of mods to it they are improving them they well they they sell light up marquees now for a lot of their more expensive cabinets and and they've improved the screens and they've improved the controls um but they are starting to test that price a ceiling like they used to be pretty cheap they used to go on sale for 100 200 bucks yeah and i don't know walmart would be huge discounts but and maybe that's the thing they launched at 650 but over time you get it for 400 or 350 and yeah people are buying them you see pictures of people all the time their entire basements lined up with these uh rk10 machines yep yeah um and i think that does it for our news segment anything else you wanted to talk about uh yeah you know in the world of pinball there's probably something in pinball there's a rumor going around that steve richie's going to leave stern we don't need to talk about that i don't know that's that's just something me and my friends are talking about but uh it's so far it's just a rumor so forget i said it i don't want to spread that okay but you know i did i i did want to say that with the steam deck did you see that um ign released their one half hour long form interview with gabe today and and he did say you can hook the steam deck up to the quest if you want to so like it i i you're right that's the right reaction because i'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to do much on it that you couldn't do natively on quest but he is like there is that possibility and uh that will be an interesting thing i'm sure every you know there's a lot of people out there who would like to find out what could you like is there any practical reason to do pcvr using a steam deck and a quest so well not the first generation and the quest that would be through presumably the standard link cable or even the airlink right where you're talking about video compression as opposed to natively running and using displayport out yeah which is what i think a lot of the people who are interested in the steamvr ecosystem games is actually talking about yeah um yeah he was just saying it's technically something you could do it is a pc that was his point yeah it's a it's a pc do what you want do what you can do with a pc um so but it'll be interesting that it's interesting that he said that like just as as as an example something you could do which leads me to think yeah somebody might do it sure sure yeah we might do it we want to plug it in yeah we'll see how when we can get a when we can get ourselves uh hands on a steam deck all right let's move on to a quick vr minute some big news in the world of vr first a quick big uh shout out for people who are playing population one you probably know this but if you haven't played population one in a while you know it's the battle royale for vr game very popular they had a whole they have evolving content on their one big map they had a little western theme that was going on in the past a month or so two months or so but they have now uh sunseted that and are launching a new season beginning august 5th that's the kingdom which means a giant castle uh and there's uh an actual castle it looks like the hotel excalibur in las vegas but in population with a moat with a big staircase spires right in the middle of the map uh you'll be able to climb it there's a little like there's medieval towns or medieval a village in front of it yeah this is gonna be cool yeah i mean it and they've used they they're pretty good at working with low polygon counts and you can tell that they've had the dude they've consistent you know they have to be consistent with that here and it looks good like it i don't want to say it looks like blizzard because blizzard's kind of the master at that but it is it is that like it kind of has that stormwind kind of feel to it where it's pixel it's a low poly but it looks intentional it looks intentionally low poly and i i would very much look forward to especially the fact that you can climb anything in that game be able to go up to those walls and scale them and find the hiding points and the sniping points and that looks like a lot of fun just to actually treat that as an encampment and camp out in there and see what happens yeah they just tweeted out on their account take up arms with victoria in battle with a new avatar that has a giant broadsword so melee becoming a bigger thing i like the idea of battle royale with melee yep that could be very cool um but in the oculus ecosystem a couple of big news you see two things one oculus quest is quest two has been put on hold the sales have been put on hold because they've um they've discovered that uh the facial interface has uh given some people some irritation some itchy faces yeah um there's the shipping one that came out of the box as well as the one that was with the fit kit and so they're offering and they will be bundling a new silicone cover with the quest 2 once they start continuing sales and people who bought a quest 2 uh can also request the silicone cover if they are uncomfortable with the foam pad cover you can request the silicone cover even if you're not uncomfortable yeah yeah yes so all right i haven't had a reaction but i ordered the silicone cover just to see what it was somebody uh mentioned in a on reddit that they got the vr cover other people are saying they got a you know or i assume that that the site says it will be a silicone cover so i don't know we'll see we'll see what it is but that's a good question i don't know if they're making that in-house or if they've partnered with vr cover because they had partnered with vr cover for some official uh uh accessories at launch and vr cover has silicone covers that they sell i'm a bigger fan of the vr covers like their fake leather pad cover i'm using that and that doesn't give me any skin irritation so i would recommend upgrading to that i like the feeling of that much better than the silicon ones when they relaunch the quest when it does go back on sale they're replacing the 64 gigabyte sku with a 128 gigabytes queue yes that was the big news was first and the the the news that what people uh found in marketing materials or whatever was leaked so yeah no more 64 gigabytes the price will be the same so no longer will we have to like have that question that people ask us on on twitter should i buy 64 gigs or splurge for 256 128 is going to be more than enough and that is a i think that is the right starting point for capacity for the quest 2. 2.99 for that right yes yes 300 bucks uh but they also announced that version 31 we're getting so many software updates version 31 of quest for the quest 2 is going to finally give developers access to the pass through camera api so they can start creating ar pass-through ar experiences presumably to set the groundwork for whatever next hardware or even the current hardware which has the black and white pass through um and privacy being a big concern so developers can't tap into actual imagery you know video images uh from these cameras they can only do the poses from the hand tracking or some of the world mapping stuff the slam stuff but a lot of developers i've seen on social media really excited about the potential of what they can do with the pass-through camera data um the the geometry data um that they can actually then display in some type of pass-through ar game experience or ar experience period and what are what have they said they want to do because i have a hard time there's no obvious use case for that for in my mind and i'm sure that there are some great ideas i just haven't seen them yet and i really look forward to seeing what developers do do with them but have you read anything from developers that where they actually talk about their ideas well i think that you can you can start mapping like flat surfaces so you can start having games that are you know cubism as opposed to being in a completely virtual environment you can have cubism the environment being your home environment which allows for more comfort mixed with the rendered 3d object but then if it's a game that's you know the object that then interacts with geometry that pass through has detected in your world so it's a flat surface wait that works i i'm pretty sure that that works um huh boss had a a post about that you know because they've already experimented with you know you being able to draw your couch identifying your couch or drawing your tables your desktop surface and so this is the next logical thing for that huh i hadn't thought about that that's that's definitely very interesting and nice that really does feel like this is the way to prototype augmented reality apps for whatever augmented reality device they have in the works and they also announced they're doing a whole like a metaverse group right like that the they've kind of restructured we thought that horizon was going to be their metaverse play and that has been announced almost two years ago now it's been in beta uh people have played it have kind of compared it to you know it's like kind of like rec room and people can generate content you know escape rooms adventure games but it hasn't fully launched yet and the feeling is maybe they're waiting for something bigger they're putting more resources into a bigger metaverse play that would have to also tie into i think into some of the ar stuff they're doing interesting i wonder that's because when you talk about a metaverse i feel like i want to be more transported into that other space and be less connected with my own world so i i wonder what that would mean i mean i think it's i think they've talked about one of the important things being interrupted interoperability between the type of assets so things that you you know assets shared between applications between both ar and and um and vr uh the specific post i'll put a link to it in the description um uh of the video here you know they talk about the pass-through stuff being specifically useful for productivity so you can have like a virtual environment like a meeting room and then you can like you know have a slider that will change the opaqueness of that and have you know your your screens and stuff so you can seamlessly go between pass through and being in a virtual world uh there's also uh co-located social presence users to both be in the same virtual content and and also people in the same room so again a mixing of the things uh that they're they've kind of tinkered with in vr now adding uh the ar aspect to it wow yeah all this is still black and white cameras even you know as much as they can add do you remember the old chaperone system on on steam vr like highlighting and colorful effects right uh but it's all still with their current camera system so for me it just says this is for developers to to get experience experience and build experience making this stuff so that the next hardware we would hope would have high resolution full color high frame rate pass-through cameras right absolutely yes and i and i just i still think it's the first generation of augmented reality classes whenever those come from apple facebook or whoever they're gonna have a problem that this solution solves which is opacity of the virtual objects you know if you're wearing a virtual headset and you're you're using capacitor cameras to project the real world you have complete control over how opaque the virtual world is and the virtual objects that you place into the real world uh whereas with augmented reality glasses they've they're always going to be somewhat transparent uh somewhat you know ghosty and uh probably less field of view so i think that uh i think this is a really this is not all that bad this is not a bad solution to augmented reality at all although it's a big brick on your face that's that's and it doesn't look cool so that's that's still the challenge um but a great great way to prototype and i think it's gonna be you're right i think this is going to be really cool i think this could result in some pretty interesting um solutions both to social things as well as making people feel connected to their real world environment i mean let's procrastinate for a minute here we all assume that pass-through ar makes so much logical sense as a stepping stone to optically pass through or optical ar right waveguide or whatever because they share so much of the same technologies you need the same stuff for mapping for hand tracking for gestures and everything but could you see ar really in maybe our lifetimes only embracing a pass-through in a very ergonomic form factor if the form factor is welding glasses right which are like just big round glasses that are flat right and not as bulbous as a vr headset but basically you're still looking at lenses uh could you see that and if the latency was low enough that you could interact and latency right now even with pass-through is low enough i could feel comfortable picking up objects and even typing on a keyboard could you see that being socially acceptable that's interesting it would have to be really really compelling wouldn't it like you'd have and you'd have to have sort of a tipping point of enough people who accept it that get everyone else to try it it's sort of like the bluetooth earbuds you know when those first started and you saw people walking around talking to themselves it was obnoxious but now i don't think anything of it unless they're in a restaurant but yeah i mean you're right i mean if if there were something if somebody like oakley could figure out a way to do that stylishly maybe and maybe not just satellites maybe it just takes a critical mass of number of people using it right at some point the number of the number of people who may adopt these things may outnumber in a situation like maybe at a tech conference the number of people who don't have them then it's just a room full of people with blinders on that no one's noticing how awkward anyone looks because everyone's you're just looking through the avatar and as long as there's eye tracking and you can have the social aspect of it i think that's the other big thing right uh how does a person in a real world with another person looking at each other how do you have a conversation in the same way you would have face to face eye contact eye contact uh when it's just screen guitars on the outside of your headset blinking blinking lights or it doesn't need to be screens it just needs to be track dots and then you superimpose it in in vr then you have to if you want to really have a real conversation with that person you also have to be wearing ar glasses to see their eyes i either have to take mine off or you have to put yours on yeah right right it only works best that's that way yeah who knows it's all very interesting stuff i'm sure they're all researching um and that does it for this week's podcast uh thank you for the recap jeremy for your uh your fun times at disneyland i'm so glad you got to experience galaxy's edge and that too uh any rush to go back what did you feel like you missed that you have to do next time oh nothing honestly like i i could i could see not going back for a couple years i was traumatized by the crowds it was it was too much it was too much um obviously whenever the the big ticket ride opens at adventures campus i'll i'll want to check that out oh i got to see the spider-man though like the the robot the robot yeah how's that it was wild like and i did one thing i didn't know about this is um there's a lot of avengers characters in the avengers campus who appear on top of the buildings and and perform and wave at the cuffs at the people down below but the spiders they're customers they are customers but one of the cooler ones is spider-man who appears above his building which is the ride the spider-man ride that you can go in he'll do a you know a little skit up there and uh engage with the people down below and then he'll go behind a wall and say he's gonna try something and then he flies a hundred feet in the air it's incredible arcs between buildings or at least across a building and then lands behind a wall and that looks like spider-man but it's really a robot and it's a humanoid wireless completely autonomous robot who is somehow flung into the air then performs the maneuver that has been programmed to do and presumably lands on a net you know on the other side and then the actor comes out as if it was him and what i didn't know is that that does different movements like the role you don't know which one you're going to see the robot do in the air and the one and we we were so lucky because there was a massive crowd and we walked out of the ride and we're walking in front of the crowd and all the disney you know imagine or employees were like waving us through because we're pedestrians they let pedestrians walk by you can't stop and it just happened to be the moment and we were right in front of the building when the spider-man went and i was like guys you got to watch this and i was pointing up while we were walking and my family all freaked out they loved it and what i didn't know was like is that he does different movements and we got one where he looks out of control which was wild i mean it really looks human human humanoid i mean it looks like you wouldn't the only reason why i knew was because i'd watched a documentary or something but there were kids in that audience that 100 thought that was a person because it looks realistic it's wild super cool so but i don't like the audio through the speakers yeah so everyone can hear spider-man yeah but i i don't know i i have no i don't have a super desire to go back any time soon it was it was crazy crowded and uh we'll see we'll see what comes along that gets me to come back did you have you the one i haven't done is the the refurbish of uh tower of terror the guardians of the galaxy you haven't done that i haven't done that it's been open for three years four years now and it happened down that my son will go on that with you as many times as you would like that's what i want to go on one of his favorite rides and that always plays a different song you don't know what he's gonna get i didn't know that until watching the tower of terror documentary oh yeah yeah it's cool behind the attraction it's good on disney plus all right thanks again uh jeremy and we will see everyone next time here's an outro let's play an outro this one is from great shop give me one second to load it and here we go hi there i didn't see here just one story this week uh what were you guys doing um 1.8 billion years ago floating around the universe in various forms see you next week byehey let's start the show for thursday july 29th 2019 no 2021 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast of tested dot com welcome to the podcast this week and welcome to a duo cast as we have jeremy williams back from his week off and norm here today this week i gotta tell you this pascal this this has been uh the theme of this past week has been family you are on a trip with family jeremy which yep i would absolutely love to hear about and i've been dealing with with family illness yeah thankfully no no kovid we all got our tests we're all good but i don't know about you but i i finally had to do the thing of forcing a toddler to ingest tylenol and it was unpleasant did you have to go through that no just my cat oh i imagine that i actually don't know which which is worse also unpleasant yeah absolutely and for everyone involved right like not just for the cat but for everybody that you had to to force feed uh liquid i assume right liquid tylenol yeah i mean we were we were ready to go with the suppositories if those were an option they do those they're not over the counter i believe they are prescription this is full dad talk by the way but yeah i i need to this is like top of mind because we're just at the doctors and this has been a thing there's you know fevers going on and obviously in the current environment we're all freaked out so we we try to give our kid tylenol but he's the smart one you try all the psychological ways you try mixing with milk mixing it with juice you find the different flavors there's the colorless uh white grape flavor there's the the traditional cherry flavor you know nothing works they're so smart a two and a half year old their taste buds are finely tuned because they have they have millennia of of of genes that have to keep them alive and so they can't eat the berry that has the bad stuff in it they have to eat the good berry so they know this is the good berry this is the berry that helps them that reduces the temperature but it's not even like the the taste because we've experimented i've done the taste test i'm like okay this is diluted enough in the milk it's even the action of loading up the bottle even it's all the nuances they're perceptive they know when the body they know when we're tense and we're trying to coerce them so they know when yeah something's up and so we had the we had to do the the arms held down and the nose squeezed and the the jaw clenched we had to do that and it was unpleasant let me tell you wow 9 p.m and 2 a.m in the morning last night unpleasant even 2 a.m wow he's probably zonked and you'd think that'd be a little easier we tried mixing with with ice cream we tried we tried all all the things all the tricks uh thankfully the fever was down today so that's why we're still reporting or recording a podcast but just wanted to put that out there i now fully feel like i am a parent very thankfully not having to do that for the past two years but finally going through that ritual and i'm sure there'll be many more times to come but uh just one of the joys and i was glad to hear you went to the doctor and everything's fine everything's fine so they were very thorough great good yeah yes yes but you were on a road trip or you were had family time as well you went on a road trip of course uh down to down to disneyland yep anaheim and anaheim uh and universal studios uh based on kashore's recommendation burbank yeah we went down i took the week off after we finished the space jam game and we went uh took the kids they couldn't wait you know i mean after kovit just couldn't wait to get back to something something fun and uh disneyland is where you know it's our spot we've we've gone ever since my daughter was born 11 years ago and uh yeah we hadn't been since galaxy's edge opened so it had been a little bit you have never been you had never stepped foot you've watched the videos or you're actually refrained from watching videos we had talked about the experience i didn't i didn't see the videos of rise of the resistance but i had seen i had seen galaxy said you couldn't miss that on twitter you know photos were flying by everywhere um and you know uh the drive was great we had a good time uh we stayed there it was wonderful very comfortable um people were wearing masks appropriately um of course with the delta variant it was like as that was on the rise and our trip was coming closer we were a little more nervous so we were more conservative than we'd planned to be in terms of like masking up but um in fact by the time we got to burbank it was like the city ordinance everybody had to wear masks inside right there so um it yeah that was not part of the plan we made had not have made these plans if we'd known that there was going to be the second wave nonetheless um everyone seems healthy knock on wood uh after the trip and uh yeah we had a good time and i mean i gotta tell you i know there are people who have been the galaxy's edge now since you know since it opened but many times me not being one of them um until recently i gotta tell the people who haven't been like it's cool it's cooler than i expected uh it's and i had heard that that what they tried to do was really make it feel like you stepped into the star wars universe and and i kind of thought okay that means i'm going to see a lot of star wars stuff and merchandise but the cool thing is i don't think this is my impression you tell me if i'm right or wrong but my impression is you don't see a star wars logo anywhere in in that space maybe on a shirt that they're selling somewhere on the tag if you look closely of course but it is not anywhere and and everywhere you look there they use the language that people learn before they go there i know dan amrick learned it uh before going one time i forget what it's called arabesh if you learn that language that language is used throughout uh in the outpost whatever the land it's uh well it's the calligraphy it's it's like the the the it's like egyptian right there's like the whole uh translation you you need like the equivalent of uh the uh what's that um uh the the thing that can that big translation thing rosetta stone rosetta stone you need the the galactic rosetta stone to to translate between all the hit and this is for people who want to diabetes which turns out you have that it's in the app you can load that up and get the translations but i just thought it was cool walking in there and seeing that like for um you know rise of the resistance or um the the the han solo smugglers run like those rides aren't even like there's no big sign above them saying smugglers run or rise of the resistance it really looks like just you know star wars space ports and they might have like a scrolling message across the top of the of the entryway that says like shuttle boarding now and they tell you like the group number that's currently boarding or current wait time but they they have done such an extraordinary job of making of making it feel like you are you know a fish out of water like you've landed on this other planet and this is just the this is the natural ecosystem these are the people that live here this is the environment and it really it more than i expected feels like you are stepping into the star wars universe and in fact when like you get when you leave to uh fantasyland or whatever you know part of disneyland you're coming from there aren't even signs to it like that there are crossroads and there's some of the signs say you know fantasyland this way but there's nothing telling you what's that way and you just wander down you usually go through a tunnel and that's when you hear the most loud um components of this of the john williams score that was written the original score yeah yeah four galaxy judge and it's it's just this beautiful atmospheric song that that just completely you know adds to that element of being transported and you feel like you're warping somewhere else transportation is the the key here because originally when remember when the galaxy's edge first opened uh they originally gated how many people could even enter that subset of disney world boarding groups right so you would have to just like with new avengers campus to enter a ventures campus there's a queueing system because it's so impacted and so originally and now it's kind of free-flowing you can kind of walk in through the two main entrances uh as you want but previously it was board and group design also you know you would have your set time you would be allotted a certain amount of time that way they could not have it feel as packed full of tourists and and you know and feel like you are a different place it takes that whole idea i think cars land did it previously the best in the eco disney ecosystem at least in the california disney uh between that and dca this california's venture uh in terms of putting you in a location that feels like it's right out of a a movie because you're right when disney land first opened uh it was the various lands and the berm system was the the thing that really separated that from uh any other theme park with this big eight foot wall that they built that they dug the whole the whole of the park is enclosed with the train track which makes it feel like when you're there you don't you're not in anaheim you don't see the freeway you don't hear the freeway um and it was a big complaint with disney california california mentioned when you could see the hotels and you could see the the the sight lines didn't feel like you were enclosed in a space and they remedied that with cars land which was a recreation of the you know the uh radiator springs in the movies so they had all the classic the the v8 you know uh uh fuel up station the the cone hotel motels all these places are out of the movies but with with galaxy's edge it was specifically designed not to be a specific place from the movies batu is an original creation and it has that feeling of star wars because it has that you know how all the star wars movies hoth is an ice planet like planets are a single ecosystem yep and the batu ecosystem is like the petrified rainforest ecosystem it's old trees old rocks uh with a long history on the you know on the uh the outer rim so where where uh resistance and first order can kind of cross paths did you get a sense of that geography as well where there were like the neutral places like the bazaar like the shopping place but where rise of resistance is is more resistance oriented and where like the big kylo ren tie fighter that's more like imperial themed right yeah i got that yeah but it was i just felt like that was more of like that was the imperial or more of like a spaceport closer to the to the bazaar where they might land and it was more industrial and then out in the woods you had like the resistance yeah yeah whereas the resistance ride is and you have the x-wing there so you like you can definitely feel like there's they very well thought out the geography and also that kind of illusion that when you're in that shopping market you don't feel like you're a disneyland like i think they really successfully made it feel like a a whole park into itself inside a theme park yeah the people who are cleaning up disneyland are look like they're from the land like they have these cool hats uh that that go that i don't know they look like um vietnamese they're really cool uh everything about that land and honestly walking around that space by far and at night by the way was the highlight of my trip like it was just it wasn't buying anything that the bazaar as cool as it is and it is worth going and looking at the details in every nook and cranny the merchandise is the least interesting part because exclusive merch oh that's all exclusive okay that's all good but i'm just saying that the details they put into each shop like no it's all very bespoke it's it's like that there is a an amazing mobile that tells the story of the empire strikes back i know the exact story you're talking about asteroid asteroids yes you know uh a flight where they're uh the hunt where uh the millennium falcon is trying to evade the tie fighters and it's it's awesome right it's the whole idea is at that part of the star wars galaxy people are the rumors right the story of star wars or just like how episode four five and six is throw six is told through the perspective of the droids here it's like people who have whispers of luke skywalker whispers of what happened with the death star and that story talking about is the children's store where it's mobiles and dolls like a stormtrooper doll like right out of rogue one it's all those things where like okay it's again indoctrinating the kids our kids into star wars with kid-friendly toys but also in universe there's a logic to the whole thing too yeah but the rides the rides tell me about your experience with the rides well i'm i'm the only one from mike from my group that wanted to do smugglers run and so i did it late at night in the singles line which by the way is the way to do it because you got a 45 minute wait any other way the singles line i went practically walked right on of course i had to be an engineer and i was like ah i'm an engineer in my day job i got to be an engineer on vacation too dad that's the parent seat in the back the supervisor c yeah exactly whatever like it was cool uh but we had a couple kids flying that i don't think he'd ever flown a spaceship in their life like they're just like apparently one pilot is like up and down the other pilot is left and right so i thought that was cool it reminded me a lot of the quadcopter thing we did on yes fits to atoms where you know four people had to fly one quadcopter with all the uh you know controlling one axis uh and i was you know pressing i was telling trying to help my engineer my other my co-engineer i was teaching him how to engineer having this be my first flight and engineering and i got a hundred percent by the way i was very proud of myself which apparently apparently like actually has an effect if you go to ogus cantina or whatever the bar like some some some way somehow how well you do um affects how you're treated and i forget how but like i thought that was cool i didn't experience that because i didn't go to the cantina i couldn't make a reservation that's a big line yeah me neither yet um but and then of course rise of the resistance i had heard from people that who who go you know with with a group like they do a poll before and after rise of the distance what's your favorite disney ride it's consistently that's their favorite ride in the entire park afterwards and and i and i understand why like it's it's not the incredi coaster it's not a thrill ride but if you take a moment and think about all of the creativity that went into making that ride and all of the different technologies that you know had to coalesce in order to make that ride even possible let alone construct it twice you know across the country i mean amazing amazing and the whole the whole experience was was well worth it the boarding passes um you know i'm glad they're doing that it's the app yep sadly it's the uh those that and the spider-man thing over in avengers um vendors campus the only two rides that have any kind of you know cue they're not even doing fast pass yet which is is like a real downside to going to disneyland right now because you're always going to be in a line um but yeah the um it was great i mean i don't want to spoil rise of the resistance for people like myself who didn't want to even see a youtube video beforehand but heck yeah that's worth it i'm so glad to have done it and i got to see both i got to see both versions because i don't know if you know this but but if if this if the if a component breaks down there's an alternate thing that happens that's right no no you can talk about this i i didn't i don't know about this give me the details okay well so if um if kylo ren um if his there's a there's several tronic there's several different colorants in the experience but if the main animatronic figure isn't working um you you see something entirely different which is a projection of him in a spaceship outside and then it like other stuff happens this is the ride portion when you're on the the omni moving vehicle exactly that was uh so the tech of rise of resistance all sits on the shoulders of things they've developed previously so it's just much like how the indiana jones ride made its way into the dinosaur ride in florida same thing of a track but also you're on a motion simulator that's on the track here is the ratatouille ride in disney paris that had the free-moving you know uh self-contained vehicle that moves through a program track that you're on in the latter portion of the rise of resistance ride which then also piggybacks on a lot of like the projection mapping stuff and i would say and of course animatronics which they like they just went overboard with like the number of animatronics in this ride they didn't have to do but i felt like there was a point of pride for them to to have in every corner you know some animatronic scene happening yeah and some of it mixed with other special effects which is cool so it wasn't just like pirates of the caribbean which is one of my favorite rides of all time but it wasn't like it's just an animatronic like they would combine an animatronic with a projection that's behind it or with like what looks like a holographic laser ray that comes out of of a projection and it's really cool the combination of effects that they put together there i would say that that effect the projection map effect is my favorite part of that ride uh there's simulation stuff there's misdirection there is interactive like immersive theater that's in there uh but the the room with the the at-ats in the effect of them firing at you and what it does to an environment yeah that felt magical to me yeah i wasn't expecting that at all and i started like saying fire again fire because i wanted to sort of see how does that work what are they doing um and it's not it's not terribly complicated what they're doing like there isn't like lasers don't travel through the whole room just just enough to give you that parallax and give you that sense of depth that this laser has just actually traveled through the air yeah it's really cool and then the immersive theater component that you mentioned is man that's probably the aspect that i was least prepared for i had no idea i had no idea because it's unlike any other disney ride like obviously there are people people who man the the rides at disneyland are in character and especially like on like when uh the mission breakout used to be tower of terror those people were in the spirit of it they were like twilight zone you know hotel workers you know and it was it was cool and they'd put you on the ride and that would be the end of it but in this it's like there are three three parts where you're just meeting completely different characters and they you know they they order you around they tell you what to do they're they're on your side they're not on your side and it's it really is like you've you're being you're like you were saying immersive theater like you've gone to um the speakeasy or something and you've like entered this other thing where you if you wanted to you could engage with these people and improv with them it's very and they're trained to do so with both adults and kids and kids who are maybe want to break the system again like you know they had the jedi training academy which also you could say is a immersive theatrical experience when you have kids being brought up on stage to to train and fight against darth maul or darth vader this is all kind of of that dna and i would even say like that the the the star trek the experience ride had some of that and that was certainly a different company yeah and this has a lot of that where you feel like you're a part of a group a tour group or something that gets taken on for a journey that's not just the motion simulator aspect but you know physical journey as well with a lot of cool misdirection that happens um to go back to smuggler's run uh what'd you think about like the the graphics of that or the the carousel system they had to make it feel like you and the other six five people the six people of the cockpit were the only ones there yeah completely transparent like obviously they did a great job with that um and the the graphics are incredible i mean they're really really good um as they are on the new uh spiderman ride over in avengers campus which where they've not you know they've gone the extra mile and said well we could probably earn even more money by selling um you know things that you augment your wrist with in the gift shop before you get on the ride that allows you to fire three times as many webs or project images into the video game yeah you know so so like they're starting to figure out why real time matters and it's not just control it's also the ability to earn money apparently um so it's all good but there yeah the the video game meets theme parks phenomenon is a good thing and i think we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg there are parts of the good thing what you just described with the the micro transaction aspect of it and it seems to me like there might be some someone who works there that used to work at ea or something and it could it's a slippery slope we'll just call it that i want to i do want to warn people who are on the fence about going right now and obviously with delta variant you have reason to be on the fence um but it is crowded like i i mentioned my family was eager to get back to something fun out of the house everybody's feeling that way that place disneyland right now is as crowded on wednesday as it is on saturday it's nuts there's no dip and it's hot it's 88 degrees you know which in anaheim is hot and uh that's why i bought this white t-shirt and so i like you really got to ask yourself like how much how much do i want to go right now i can't maybe i could wait till the slightly less popular season because it's it's really something else and we went to universal studios afterwards which was was 100 degrees oh my gosh so tell me about that experience this is your first time on the harry potter land yeah yeah i know i wish cause short was here because he's the reason why we went practically because he was saying that that's his favorite park in in l.a um and it was uh you know i got to be honest with you like i think not unlike galaxy's edge the harry potter land was the most interesting aspect to me if you wander around that space and you can get you of course you have to buy it you get a wand you can cast spells but just all of the stores that you can go in and the great work they did reconstructing hogwarts the exterior of it was just great it was really good work on their part and um it the fact that we're in 100 degree weather surrounded by buildings with snow on the roof but definitely definitely some dissonance there but it was it was very cool the rides i mean there's two rides at harry potter land one is an a real roller coaster which is not inside universal's comfort zone they're almost all of their rides are motion simulators where you're inside of a contraption sort of like star tours yeah with a spider-man ride in florida like they've really pioneered the with 3d glasses and you know ways to make motion simulator combined with uh a 3d effect and the other harry potter ride is the most advanced version of that uh i forget what they call it but it's one that's you're on a robot arm dude it's like yeah it's like it's a robot arm it can face you in any direction so you're strapped in there you're fit you're facing up you're facing down and half the time you are sort of being moved and you know jerked around in front of it what feels it's it's not 3d glasses but it is like a domed screen so you feel like you're uh it's a mini imax like a mini dome imax planetarium imax and you're flying 200 miles an hour on a you know behind harry potter playing quidditch and then and then the it's the robot arm swings you around and you're in the real world and you're seeing real things like real um you know dragons and things and that component like when i was seeing real things i was comfortable but i for whatever reason i have reached an age my friend where the the universal style ride that motion simulator thing where you're in front of a screen and you're being jerked around moving around that does not work for me anymore oh no so yeah i need dramamine next time i go there i'm telling you guys it is tough and i'm watching all these kids come off this ride and think oh my god that was amazing that was the most incredible thing so i know it's a good ride i've heard it but it's it was not for me however the jurassic world ride i don't know if you've ridden that yet that's the one not the new one with the the underwater tank and the 3d that happens there yeah yeah that's cool like that there's that's all it's a water it's a water you know ride and uh it's it has a great ending and it's a ride where you it's not you might get wet you do get wet like you got the combining the old jurassic park uh downhill splash one yeah yeah so it still has that component but the it front loads the the initial one where you they had the big animatronic you know uh brachiosaurus that came out of the water they've changed that to incorporate the the new dinosaurs from jurassic world exactly yeah and a lot of that is projections it's all it's all kind of cg on screens that look like the side of an aquarium which it's a good effect it's cool but because they do incorporate water into that as if the the dinosaur the aquatic dinosaur causes these splashes to happen so that's a really cool effect but then of course you do see animatronic dinosaurs but it all like you know how like most water rides if you get splashed it's because you know you went under a waterfall or you hit you hit the rocks and the water came up this ride just squirts water at you like you yeah they're gonna make you wet and i gotta tell you like on a 100 degree day they know exactly that's what it was it used to be no matter what time of year you go to the jurassic park ride universal to get wet you know it was like splash mountain on steroids because they would be a much deeper plunge and you get to buy the t-shirt and then you go to backdraft which is the on the part of the backlog trim tour or the backdraft stage show if that's still there and get dry from that because they have the flames once your punch get wet at jurassic park get dry and backdraft wow yeah the strategies oh totally it's all about the strategies the whole theme park thing uh with the harry potter one i love the transition so it's like you know it's robot arms on a track moving between these half dome screens right and the half dome screens were kind of like when they did the uh back to the future motion simulator ride which is a bunch of deloreans in front of a curved screen all sharing like as opposed to you you know you and a bunch of people sitting in front of an imax it's you and a bunch of other cars sitting in front of a giant domed imac screen and they've shrunken that experience down so as opposed to you know how many a dozen of cars all in motion simulators looking at one screen it's multiple screens that then the robot arms transition you and have you stay from each segment so those little transition elements i love those because how natural they feel they would like put you through the side of a building or you know it feels continuous in the story they're telling i'm gonna take you i'm gonna take your word on that because my eyes were closed for the projection portion oh i'm sorry i was i was i was peeking i was like when am i in a real world thing and then it opened my eyes check that out yeah well if people don't want to go to disneyland or universal now or theme park now because of rising delta variant cases or just because how packed they are i would highly recommend on disney plus we briefly talked about this a new documentary series called behind the attraction and uh there was the imagineering story which uh disney plus lunch with uh it's um that was a like a multi-part really beautifully shot like a real prestige series about the history of disneyland parks and the imagineering team and all of this stuff like we confess like this is all big they're shows meant to sell you on the disney you know going to parks and and going on cruises right they're all big basically infomercials uh but i enjoyed watching them and this new series called behind the attraction i was watching it's like a five episode series now but they've booked 10 episodes but each episode is about a specific ride at disneyland whether it's jungle cruise to promote the new jungle cruise movie or tower of terror or star tours uh or haunted mansion they show you a lot of the mechanics not only the history of how the ride was made and the writing and the sculpting and the animatronics work but like all the modernization of these rides that's a deeper dive than we've seen previously um how long are the episodes they're about 45 minutes long and they straight they end up like the star tours one ends up being a promotion for galaxy's edge right even though it's half an hour's of the history of star tours and the relationship there but you get to see like the original motion simulator that they went to london the imagineers went to the subcontractor in london to see when they were scouting out motion simulators to design for star tours and they talked about how when dennis mirren and his team at ilm needed to film the miniatures all those original scenes they had the transition elements were basically flashes you know laser blasts and they don't even went to star wars back in the 90s or remember that that big flash transition you can watch them on youtube actually um but one of the things like uh they were on these motion simulators and to make you feel like you were falling like it was it was like 15 feet or something you had to reset that so they had to script out the flight so there would be a portion where they would convince you like you were being tractor beam and so the motion simulator would slowly rise so then you could have a falling portion that's interesting because they've obviously taken those lessons to over to rise to the resistance as i'm sure they've taken lessons from everywhere there's an amazing part like in rise where you enter through a door of a spaceship and you exit through the same door and you're an entirely new environment it's amazing can you and i did not you don't feel that happening when you're inside the ship because they sync it up with the motion of the flight it's wild yeah yeah that's it it's all the stuff that's so wonderful about imagineering but also you know to i don't know if you heard about this but imagineering's moving they're all moving to florida or a big part of imagineering's moving to florida uh and you know it's like thousands of thousands of jobs in the next couple of years wow outside of folks who i think engineers and imagineers who are dedicated to disney only are staying in the la area but their whole parks team and experiences team uh so much of that is moving to a whole new installation in florida so you know new new management and they're they're changing it up um before we move on to the news i also want to hear about your your uh road trip experience because this was your first time with the new car new ev driving down we can call it a tesla we can call it a tesla yeah yes i know and and i gotta tell you i have had a it was a great experience it was a perfect experience and i know not that's not been everybody's experience i you know uh wida tweeted i think today that he would not recommend you buying a tesla because nothing he's had nothing but bad experience with his yeah his model x yes uh but my uh my model y treated us extremely well and um i the supercharger experience compared to what i have what i know from charging with the bolt is a different thing like it's so fast it's so fast 100 miles in 10 10 minutes it's like incredible and uh so stopping stopping was never a chore in fact if anything we had to race back to the car in order to avoid getting charged for you know idle time yeah so um it was it was easy we could have honestly done the the trip to anaheim with a with a single or at least a burbank with a single stop um easily uh and and it's you know but we chose to stop a couple times just because we we need like getting out of the car for a few minutes so it was great um everybody enjoyed karaoke and the the sound system and the autopilot everyone trusted me to be behind the wheel with that which yeah i appreciate it confidence for the whole family i didn't let them down not in the car didn't didn't let me down thankfully that's good that's good uh you know it's still still it's not we're in this weird phase uh with with autopilot i don't think it should be named that uh even full self-driving should not be named that like the thing that they're that they're not even finished with the beta of yet you know the city full self-driving it's still hands on the wheel it's still you got to keep your eyes on the road that's not what i would consider full self-driving yeah so i do think they have a branding problem but it's working for them you can't even buy a tesla right now uh and and get it before november or at least not a model y so it's yeah um it is what it is but uh i you know if you know what the limitations are and you you're safe and you treat it like a really powerful auto or um cruise control then it's a then it's a good thing and i it made the trip a lot easier i could relax a lot more than i would have otherwise i mean adaptive cruise control is becoming a normal thing for a lot of car manufacturers too if you just want the safety of staying between the lanes and keeping not only a set speed but also set distance in front of the cars ahead of you yeah that i feel like is the game-changing thing when more cars have that rather than the the navigate full navigate on autopilot with the lane changing and the exit changing especially that if you're just going down i-5 for a couple hundred miles you don't need that necessarily the lane changing right the exit is taking uh what do you think of the stops the the big kettlebell city the big supercharger lounge and as well as the my recommendation of stopping on over at 152 at a casa de fruda yeah we did that in both directions we loved it uh we went and picked up some dried fruit some nuts yeah it was great uh we yeah the train came along with it with the kids in tow and uh they said there was like some old junky cars on the left and there was the tesla superchargers on the right and the conductor was like there's the old technology on the left and the new technology on the right and i felt like i was part of the exhibit which was funny because it was you know just coming out of the theme parks it was fun um it was great and the kettleman city stop is just i don't know what what non-tesla drivers must think of that it's weird it's like it's like the supercharger area has a building associated with it which very few do this is the only one i know of where you can if you get the code from your screen when you pull in you can go inside this building and uh lounge use the restroom buy some snacks or best or or a t-shirt a tesla t-shirt or best yet buy a coffee from the barista and one of the coffees on that menu is called the autopilot oh my god that's i don't think that's a good idea to name your coffee which is insinuating yeah which is you don't know what it is you let the barista choose for you make you whatever coffee she wants to make you and i see i i went straight to autopilot and i got the most delicious sweet cinnamon coffee i've had and it was great i thought it was to insinuate that with this coffee you can feel like you're driving on autopilot because you'll be so awake and alert right that when you get back on the freeway that sounds more like a brand like for an actual coffee drink yeah all right yeah it's it's like an airport lounge it feels like a classy airport lounge and exactly where they're designing some of this stuff you know it can feel attractiony in terms like you know the the shopping that's around there or the the stops around there although they also have i think on i5 a new one that just opened this past year that's like 56 chargers it just feels like almost like an empty parking lot of chargers with under underneath solar panels uh and that's just like this huge huge swath of a parking lot that's just for charging yeah that sounds like one of the stops i stopped at it it was cool to be you know charging underneath a ceiling of solar panels it was neat driving on the sun yeah yeah all right enough catch up there we're gonna switch over switch gears to some news and let's just play a little bit of an interstitial so jeremy you weren't here to talk about the steam deck i'm sorry you missed that conversation last week were there any additional thoughts uh additional what do you think i listened to last week's podcast i have no idea what your thoughts although i did hear that stapes was a huge hit i saw lots of responses on twitter like have that guy back that's good for him i'm glad you had him on um i i i was thankfully i'm very feel very lucky i was the first person i know to to um to to get my order in on the steam deck i think i was a couple minutes ahead of you i know i was like 45 minutes or at least maybe a half hour in front of our friend mike micah who was refreshing the whole time that was that's the problem you don't refresh you press the button and let it go well whatever i think he was doing it right but i he just he was getting the error constantly yeah um and it was you know and then um our friend kevin like had to wait until the evening but everyone everyone's in now and um i i'm very excited for it like i i think this really is legitimately something new that i've never had before like being able to treat the pc gaming experience as a mobile you know experience with a user-friendly it's whatever ui you want you can install whatever storefront you want but even if you just stick to steam like it's a very user-friendly experience it's uh you know not it's very different than the traditional pc experience and at least from there from the outside that's what it looks like it goes such against the grain of what so many companies are betting on which is 5g and which a streaming experience whether streaming media or interactive media netflix is moving in the games so like so much and you know even wife or a vr wireless vr right the idea of remote compute being a thing that all you need locally is a something with an internet connection and and some um video decompression uh and input this is the old way of packing all the hardware and all that thermal into a piece of hardware that they're charging you know still a premium price for i because even though they would say that they're taking a hit or that they're charging they struggle to get to that 400 price point but that is very much against the grain of of uh of where we see a lot of mobile going i guess so it but that that direction that we've been seeing people pursue has has been hasn't you know delivered anything that i'm interested in i've tried some of the streaming services and it's just not there are compromises and this is a solution to those compromises which is like forget that that's not working yet let's put some horsepower in this thing and and run the games locally and give you you know you might have to sacrifice frame rate in order to get battery life those are now the the trade-offs that you're going to deal with but at least you get the lowest latency possible for input and visuals and and i would even say though that streaming like you have to understand which of the compromises you're willing to accept and for a lot of people streaming you know xbox or pc uh to even a ios tablet is perfect acceptable and even streaming vr we found is acceptable with you know with oculus airlink and you know if i had the option if they gave me an option to buy a much lighter vr headset that was just an airlink headset that was ergonomically designed for that i'd pick that up right away so you're saying something you could use on wi-fi locally at your home i'm thinking of something you could take with you on vacation well and i think that they're also betting i think you're right for vacation the dedicated hardware is what is is still king it's why switch is sold so well right uh and and why laptops you know why we aren't on the even on the computing side just doing workstations at workstations only makes sense in the kind of home office environment or or shared office environment with a really solid strong internet connection but i do see those two paths as being viable options and it's really interesting that you have you know steam that works on ios and as streaming and steam that now works on a dedicated hardware device right if people want to buy it and all that elevates their ecosystem um and people are happy to buy or choose which which hardware solution works best for them and the steam deck is backwards compatible with the other direction like you can stream whatever you want if you're if you find a streaming app if you want to you know stream your home games or whatever you want over wi-fi or the internet to that device and see how that works for you and get a taste of that direction you can certainly do that but i'm saying that i i feel like that one device does all certainly it's a nice list of features to have yeah but i would be happy with two devices you know and to use the vr analogy i would be happy with the dedicated com you know the the vive focus 3 or the the quest 2 or whatever the quest 3 becomes with local compute right or a tethered connection in addition to another device that's maybe cheaper that's just a display has no local compute maybe more battery and ergonomically designed and optimized for wi-fi streaming or 5g streaming whatever that ends up being yeah i could see that being a thing on consoles too yeah i don't know we'll see it's going to be what six more months before we get ours uh so it's i'm excited um but you know i and honestly like i'm excited to get it just to have it but i could see people who are i'm not hardcore in pc games anymore that is not how i spend the majority of my free time whereas it used to be and it's where my it's where my son is certainly right now he's on he plays pc games with every free moment that he has and if he had something like this and he represents millions of people if he had something like this this is like unquestionably the way that he would spend his vacations as well you know when he goes on the road or is uh he would turn on his phone's wi-fi hotspot get online and play rust with his friends um or in the hotel room or anywhere else like the the ability to to have you know that's the big question i have the thing i'm most excited to try is does it do fps well can really does it really feel like mouse and keyboard uh because i i mean yeah most of those games all support gamepad now but i want to see what those touch pads feel like combined with the analog sticks and and see like how and and the accelerometer because that plays a component too in the aiming so i want to see how that feels and i know there's going to be a learning curve but i want to see how long that is and uh if i can end up being you know at least as good a player as i am with mouse and keyboard i i feel like you could have that experience with the steam controller already and the steam controller would be the best version of that gamepad fps experience that valve designed for with the actuators on the large thumb pads here they're smaller thumb pads you sell the paddles you have all the same input technically but you're also sharing that space ergonomically with the screen and the hardware underneath yeah so it's not as ergonomic it looks as the seam controller we'll see i think that they've done some improvements on that technology since the steam controller they've certainly done even improvements since the index controllers they said that they they learned lessons from those thumb sticks drifting yup yup not just the drifting but you know i think like not being able to press it if you were directing the stick up and stuff like that and they claim like gabe claims they got some great thumbsticks on this new device which is you know beyond what they've had before and uh yeah yeah he's he it's his job to try to sell it but it's not like their business relies on this like this is that's what's cool about this is that this is an experiment that they can afford to you know splurge on and maybe not break even right out the door with and uh i think that's cool i think that's cool that this wildly successful you know storefront uh company can't does invest in these experimental pieces of hardware like the index and the steam controller and now this and this is this could potentially be very very very very big i mean it could be a new way of looking at the pc you know gaming ecosystem if it becomes successful and everyone will have its eyes on it then you're going to see amd which makes chips for this maybe do their own because they sell the hardware they can't sell the hardware and it's just you know running linux something you know free and and proton and running an emulation to run steam i don't know about the the dells of the world maybe razer maybe razer which also dabbles in kind of far out hardware experiments will seize on this and and do something similar and also have it run steam and do it you know bring the razer flare to it with you know all those color leds um so it'll be interesting i'm curious to know if they think of this like the index in it being a model a high bar for other manufacturers and oems to take and take the lead in a baton and run with it uh or if it'll be like the index and that it still becomes the thing that a lot of that core base wants and no one else decided to run with it in that same way um i think this is gonna be way more successful than the index like they're gonna sell millions of these things and i mean if they can if they can ship it if they can ship a million of those that's true it's true but i think that that there's way more demand for something like this than there is for the index i mean the index was a one thousand dollar vr headset that required a gaming pc and this is a four hundred dollar portable gaming pc that plays the content that has the content right and exactly the robust theme library that they've built up over the this past you know decade and a half uh immediately has all that accessible plus this whole next generation of games running at 720p you know 30 fps minimum is the bar they've set but does it have a crank crank no crank no but it might be a usp usb peripheral oh yeah there you go yeah you know i'll say the the pre-orders for the steam deck and my anticipation for that has actually diminished my anticipation for the play date to a point where the play date pre-orders are up tomorrow or today as you're listening to this on july 29th the previews are up people of rs technica verge and uh other people have had their hands on the playdate tiny game console um for a few weeks now and they reviewed some of these games i don't know if i'm going to be first in line for a pre-order here how much is it 180 dollars oh come on you can do that you can it plus it comes with the games with the first season of the game yeah how long is the season a couple months oh is that it i thought it was like six months but maybe yeah it's so novel like i just think it's cool like the the idea that first of all the novel interface is it the fact that they got that they decided that they added a crank to it opens the door to mechanics that you can't get on anything else you can't get it on pc you can't get it on the switch nobody else has the crank so it's just like a spinner in the arcadia like it's it's why you would go to arcades is to see interfaces that you'd never seen before and never interacted with and didn't have at home and so now they're making a console that has that and i love that component it's sort of like what the 3ds kind of did um but you know not exactly but i i just like that it has that novel input mechanic now the the one bit graphics also limiting which is going to create some interesting aesthetics that um you know some people are masters at and some people aren't we'll see which games take advantage and know how to work within the constraints of a single or two colors on and off um but i do think that that's going to give it a different kind of look that could be that could be interesting i'm not sure that that's going to be quite the selling point for me that that the crank is but the idea that you and i everybody who has it gets the same games that's the killer app it's not the crank day and date frank isn't the killer app i mean if the crank was killer up i could wait till the play dates on sale i could buy a used one the killer app is the network effect yeah of everyone getting the same game at the same time and i want to be in that conversation it treats chatting with everyone game is sort of like television where it's like the the episode airs and you see the water cooler talk on twitter and that could potentially happen among you know friends who have this thing and i think that's going to probably be a good that's gonna be good for sales as well people are gonna pick it up because they're gonna see people talking about it because everybody gets these things at the same time and nobody's left out of the conversation unless you just simply decide not to play it it's not like you have to buy the game on uh release day as you would with something like ratchet and clank which is you know something cool but not the same thing well i'll tell you that that group of people who will be able to talk about games will be limited to 20 000 at least for this year so last week we talked about how the kind of the leaked numbers or the uh the calculated numbers by the the fan community for steam deck estimated about 70 000 for the the first 90 minutes of sales or something uh but panic has already said play date if you pre-order thursday 10 a.m pacific only the first 20 000 or so they they think they can ship this year that's not going to stop your pre-order but the rest will be recipe next year and that shows you how hard it is in this current day and age they do hardware manufacturing with the chip shortages around the world with shipping short shipping holdups it's it's difficult to make hardware and even a company as big as valve and this flush's valve you know is going to run into those supply constraints that's rough man i don't yeah i mean whatever i mean shortages worked for nintendo i'm sure that if it ends up being a hit the they will keep their orders and they'll get them out next year but i wish that that seems like a low number to me and they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna hit that number pretty quickly well shortages also work for playstation because the ps5 has sold 10 million consoles they just announced i mean the fastest selling playstation ever and it's still impossible to get yeah so yeah yeah yeah i mean that's that's this is where we are i mean it's not just that it's the chip shortage there it is something people spent a lot of time at home and they were looking for fun so they tried to buy a ps5 yeah and there's also the scalpers let's not forget that i ca i believe a significant number of that 10 million are still in the hands of the gray market uh it is infuriating um but i i assume they're making them as fast as they can and by the time i'm able to buy one there'll be more games to play more ps5 dedicated games to play um all right last bits of news uh arcade one up announced the simpsons console this is akin to the ninja turtles one four players um i don't think they announced uh pricing pre-orders start mid-august august 16th but the turtles and time cabinet was 650 they're bumping these up incrementally in price it's a lot to pay but it's also a fan favorite i loved that simpsons arcade uh when i was a kid the four-player simpsons one they also included simpsons bowling in this game as well but just just two games for 650 bucks potentially it's a lot this was you're talking about the simpsons brawler uh yeah yeah okay yeah yeah the simpsons arcade game it was basically the turtles game you know the you marge with the vacuum cleaner with the skateboard uh mr burns kidnaps maggie i mean it's classic i didn't realize this i didn't realize this was just announced like it was it leaked a couple months ago uh but i guess yeah it's good to see they made the official announcement i mean it's a good-looking cabinet yeah i i think a bunch of their releases leaked when some of the retailers had some some uh like excel files that people were able to access and see release dates so yeah they're still steady with the release strategy and of course the arcade one ups are great platforms for people to build their own main emulators and and their home homebrew arcade systems you know you can buy your own arcade sticks and you have the form factor you can get uh replacement screens and or like the marquee and do all sorts of mods to it they are improving them they well they they sell light up marquees now for a lot of their more expensive cabinets and and they've improved the screens and they've improved the controls um but they are starting to test that price a ceiling like they used to be pretty cheap they used to go on sale for 100 200 bucks yeah and i don't know walmart would be huge discounts but and maybe that's the thing they launched at 650 but over time you get it for 400 or 350 and yeah people are buying them you see pictures of people all the time their entire basements lined up with these uh rk10 machines yep yeah um and i think that does it for our news segment anything else you wanted to talk about uh yeah you know in the world of pinball there's probably something in pinball there's a rumor going around that steve richie's going to leave stern we don't need to talk about that i don't know that's that's just something me and my friends are talking about but uh it's so far it's just a rumor so forget i said it i don't want to spread that okay but you know i did i i did want to say that with the steam deck did you see that um ign released their one half hour long form interview with gabe today and and he did say you can hook the steam deck up to the quest if you want to so like it i i you're right that's the right reaction because i'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to do much on it that you couldn't do natively on quest but he is like there is that possibility and uh that will be an interesting thing i'm sure every you know there's a lot of people out there who would like to find out what could you like is there any practical reason to do pcvr using a steam deck and a quest so well not the first generation and the quest that would be through presumably the standard link cable or even the airlink right where you're talking about video compression as opposed to natively running and using displayport out yeah which is what i think a lot of the people who are interested in the steamvr ecosystem games is actually talking about yeah um yeah he was just saying it's technically something you could do it is a pc that was his point yeah it's a it's a pc do what you want do what you can do with a pc um so but it'll be interesting that it's interesting that he said that like just as as as an example something you could do which leads me to think yeah somebody might do it sure sure yeah we might do it we want to plug it in yeah we'll see how when we can get a when we can get ourselves uh hands on a steam deck all right let's move on to a quick vr minute some big news in the world of vr first a quick big uh shout out for people who are playing population one you probably know this but if you haven't played population one in a while you know it's the battle royale for vr game very popular they had a whole they have evolving content on their one big map they had a little western theme that was going on in the past a month or so two months or so but they have now uh sunseted that and are launching a new season beginning august 5th that's the kingdom which means a giant castle uh and there's uh an actual castle it looks like the hotel excalibur in las vegas but in population with a moat with a big staircase spires right in the middle of the map uh you'll be able to climb it there's a little like there's medieval towns or medieval a village in front of it yeah this is gonna be cool yeah i mean it and they've used they they're pretty good at working with low polygon counts and you can tell that they've had the dude they've consistent you know they have to be consistent with that here and it looks good like it i don't want to say it looks like blizzard because blizzard's kind of the master at that but it is it is that like it kind of has that stormwind kind of feel to it where it's pixel it's a low poly but it looks intentional it looks intentionally low poly and i i would very much look forward to especially the fact that you can climb anything in that game be able to go up to those walls and scale them and find the hiding points and the sniping points and that looks like a lot of fun just to actually treat that as an encampment and camp out in there and see what happens yeah they just tweeted out on their account take up arms with victoria in battle with a new avatar that has a giant broadsword so melee becoming a bigger thing i like the idea of battle royale with melee yep that could be very cool um but in the oculus ecosystem a couple of big news you see two things one oculus quest is quest two has been put on hold the sales have been put on hold because they've um they've discovered that uh the facial interface has uh given some people some irritation some itchy faces yeah um there's the shipping one that came out of the box as well as the one that was with the fit kit and so they're offering and they will be bundling a new silicone cover with the quest 2 once they start continuing sales and people who bought a quest 2 uh can also request the silicone cover if they are uncomfortable with the foam pad cover you can request the silicone cover even if you're not uncomfortable yeah yeah yes so all right i haven't had a reaction but i ordered the silicone cover just to see what it was somebody uh mentioned in a on reddit that they got the vr cover other people are saying they got a you know or i assume that that the site says it will be a silicone cover so i don't know we'll see we'll see what it is but that's a good question i don't know if they're making that in-house or if they've partnered with vr cover because they had partnered with vr cover for some official uh uh accessories at launch and vr cover has silicone covers that they sell i'm a bigger fan of the vr covers like their fake leather pad cover i'm using that and that doesn't give me any skin irritation so i would recommend upgrading to that i like the feeling of that much better than the silicon ones when they relaunch the quest when it does go back on sale they're replacing the 64 gigabyte sku with a 128 gigabytes queue yes that was the big news was first and the the the news that what people uh found in marketing materials or whatever was leaked so yeah no more 64 gigabytes the price will be the same so no longer will we have to like have that question that people ask us on on twitter should i buy 64 gigs or splurge for 256 128 is going to be more than enough and that is a i think that is the right starting point for capacity for the quest 2. 2.99 for that right yes yes 300 bucks uh but they also announced that version 31 we're getting so many software updates version 31 of quest for the quest 2 is going to finally give developers access to the pass through camera api so they can start creating ar pass-through ar experiences presumably to set the groundwork for whatever next hardware or even the current hardware which has the black and white pass through um and privacy being a big concern so developers can't tap into actual imagery you know video images uh from these cameras they can only do the poses from the hand tracking or some of the world mapping stuff the slam stuff but a lot of developers i've seen on social media really excited about the potential of what they can do with the pass-through camera data um the the geometry data um that they can actually then display in some type of pass-through ar game experience or ar experience period and what are what have they said they want to do because i have a hard time there's no obvious use case for that for in my mind and i'm sure that there are some great ideas i just haven't seen them yet and i really look forward to seeing what developers do do with them but have you read anything from developers that where they actually talk about their ideas well i think that you can you can start mapping like flat surfaces so you can start having games that are you know cubism as opposed to being in a completely virtual environment you can have cubism the environment being your home environment which allows for more comfort mixed with the rendered 3d object but then if it's a game that's you know the object that then interacts with geometry that pass through has detected in your world so it's a flat surface wait that works i i'm pretty sure that that works um huh boss had a a post about that you know because they've already experimented with you know you being able to draw your couch identifying your couch or drawing your tables your desktop surface and so this is the next logical thing for that huh i hadn't thought about that that's that's definitely very interesting and nice that really does feel like this is the way to prototype augmented reality apps for whatever augmented reality device they have in the works and they also announced they're doing a whole like a metaverse group right like that the they've kind of restructured we thought that horizon was going to be their metaverse play and that has been announced almost two years ago now it's been in beta uh people have played it have kind of compared it to you know it's like kind of like rec room and people can generate content you know escape rooms adventure games but it hasn't fully launched yet and the feeling is maybe they're waiting for something bigger they're putting more resources into a bigger metaverse play that would have to also tie into i think into some of the ar stuff they're doing interesting i wonder that's because when you talk about a metaverse i feel like i want to be more transported into that other space and be less connected with my own world so i i wonder what that would mean i mean i think it's i think they've talked about one of the important things being interrupted interoperability between the type of assets so things that you you know assets shared between applications between both ar and and um and vr uh the specific post i'll put a link to it in the description um uh of the video here you know they talk about the pass-through stuff being specifically useful for productivity so you can have like a virtual environment like a meeting room and then you can like you know have a slider that will change the opaqueness of that and have you know your your screens and stuff so you can seamlessly go between pass through and being in a virtual world uh there's also uh co-located social presence users to both be in the same virtual content and and also people in the same room so again a mixing of the things uh that they're they've kind of tinkered with in vr now adding uh the ar aspect to it wow yeah all this is still black and white cameras even you know as much as they can add do you remember the old chaperone system on on steam vr like highlighting and colorful effects right uh but it's all still with their current camera system so for me it just says this is for developers to to get experience experience and build experience making this stuff so that the next hardware we would hope would have high resolution full color high frame rate pass-through cameras right absolutely yes and i and i just i still think it's the first generation of augmented reality classes whenever those come from apple facebook or whoever they're gonna have a problem that this solution solves which is opacity of the virtual objects you know if you're wearing a virtual headset and you're you're using capacitor cameras to project the real world you have complete control over how opaque the virtual world is and the virtual objects that you place into the real world uh whereas with augmented reality glasses they've they're always going to be somewhat transparent uh somewhat you know ghosty and uh probably less field of view so i think that uh i think this is a really this is not all that bad this is not a bad solution to augmented reality at all although it's a big brick on your face that's that's and it doesn't look cool so that's that's still the challenge um but a great great way to prototype and i think it's gonna be you're right i think this is going to be really cool i think this could result in some pretty interesting um solutions both to social things as well as making people feel connected to their real world environment i mean let's procrastinate for a minute here we all assume that pass-through ar makes so much logical sense as a stepping stone to optically pass through or optical ar right waveguide or whatever because they share so much of the same technologies you need the same stuff for mapping for hand tracking for gestures and everything but could you see ar really in maybe our lifetimes only embracing a pass-through in a very ergonomic form factor if the form factor is welding glasses right which are like just big round glasses that are flat right and not as bulbous as a vr headset but basically you're still looking at lenses uh could you see that and if the latency was low enough that you could interact and latency right now even with pass-through is low enough i could feel comfortable picking up objects and even typing on a keyboard could you see that being socially acceptable that's interesting it would have to be really really compelling wouldn't it like you'd have and you'd have to have sort of a tipping point of enough people who accept it that get everyone else to try it it's sort of like the bluetooth earbuds you know when those first started and you saw people walking around talking to themselves it was obnoxious but now i don't think anything of it unless they're in a restaurant but yeah i mean you're right i mean if if there were something if somebody like oakley could figure out a way to do that stylishly maybe and maybe not just satellites maybe it just takes a critical mass of number of people using it right at some point the number of the number of people who may adopt these things may outnumber in a situation like maybe at a tech conference the number of people who don't have them then it's just a room full of people with blinders on that no one's noticing how awkward anyone looks because everyone's you're just looking through the avatar and as long as there's eye tracking and you can have the social aspect of it i think that's the other big thing right uh how does a person in a real world with another person looking at each other how do you have a conversation in the same way you would have face to face eye contact eye contact uh when it's just screen guitars on the outside of your headset blinking blinking lights or it doesn't need to be screens it just needs to be track dots and then you superimpose it in in vr then you have to if you want to really have a real conversation with that person you also have to be wearing ar glasses to see their eyes i either have to take mine off or you have to put yours on yeah right right it only works best that's that way yeah who knows it's all very interesting stuff i'm sure they're all researching um and that does it for this week's podcast uh thank you for the recap jeremy for your uh your fun times at disneyland i'm so glad you got to experience galaxy's edge and that too uh any rush to go back what did you feel like you missed that you have to do next time oh nothing honestly like i i could i could see not going back for a couple years i was traumatized by the crowds it was it was too much it was too much um obviously whenever the the big ticket ride opens at adventures campus i'll i'll want to check that out oh i got to see the spider-man though like the the robot the robot yeah how's that it was wild like and i did one thing i didn't know about this is um there's a lot of avengers characters in the avengers campus who appear on top of the buildings and and perform and wave at the cuffs at the people down below but the spiders they're customers they are customers but one of the cooler ones is spider-man who appears above his building which is the ride the spider-man ride that you can go in he'll do a you know a little skit up there and uh engage with the people down below and then he'll go behind a wall and say he's gonna try something and then he flies a hundred feet in the air it's incredible arcs between buildings or at least across a building and then lands behind a wall and that looks like spider-man but it's really a robot and it's a humanoid wireless completely autonomous robot who is somehow flung into the air then performs the maneuver that has been programmed to do and presumably lands on a net you know on the other side and then the actor comes out as if it was him and what i didn't know is that that does different movements like the role you don't know which one you're going to see the robot do in the air and the one and we we were so lucky because there was a massive crowd and we walked out of the ride and we're walking in front of the crowd and all the disney you know imagine or employees were like waving us through because we're pedestrians they let pedestrians walk by you can't stop and it just happened to be the moment and we were right in front of the building when the spider-man went and i was like guys you got to watch this and i was pointing up while we were walking and my family all freaked out they loved it and what i didn't know was like is that he does different movements and we got one where he looks out of control which was wild i mean it really looks human human humanoid i mean it looks like you wouldn't the only reason why i knew was because i'd watched a documentary or something but there were kids in that audience that 100 thought that was a person because it looks realistic it's wild super cool so but i don't like the audio through the speakers yeah so everyone can hear spider-man yeah but i i don't know i i have no i don't have a super desire to go back any time soon it was it was crazy crowded and uh we'll see we'll see what comes along that gets me to come back did you have you the one i haven't done is the the refurbish of uh tower of terror the guardians of the galaxy you haven't done that i haven't done that it's been open for three years four years now and it happened down that my son will go on that with you as many times as you would like that's what i want to go on one of his favorite rides and that always plays a different song you don't know what he's gonna get i didn't know that until watching the tower of terror documentary oh yeah yeah it's cool behind the attraction it's good on disney plus all right thanks again uh jeremy and we will see everyone next time here's an outro let's play an outro this one is from great shop give me one second to load it and here we go hi there i didn't see here just one story this week uh what were you guys doing um 1.8 billion years ago floating around the universe in various forms see you next week bye\n"