HW News - RTX 5090 & 5080 Leaks, Valve ARM64 Experiments, Intel Arc 0% Marketshare, 4090 Price

**MSI and Intel Announce New Motherboard Designs**

MSI has recently released information on its new motherboard designs, including the x870 E and x870 Carbon Wi-Fi. The MSI x870 E features a number of cooling solutions, including heat sinks and plates, which are intended to help reduce temperatures during intense use or prolonged periods of operation. In contrast, the MSI x870 Carbon Wi-Fi has a more streamlined design with fewer metal appendages, and is said to be a more compact solution.

MSI also announced its new Tomahawk x870 series, which features a yellow and black color scheme. The company's Tomahawk series is known for its high-performance capabilities, and the new designs are no exception. Furthermore, MSI has released information on its x870 P Wi-Fi series, which features a silver and black design.

**Intel's Ongoing CPU Stability Issues**

Intel has recently addressed an ongoing issue with its CPUs, specifically related to the Vman shift and stability problem. The company has localized the issue to a clock tree circuit within the IIA core, which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature conditions. Intel has observed that certain operating scenarios can lead to system instability, including motherboard power delivery, ETB (External Thermal Management), microcode algorithm, and BIOS code requesting elevated core voltages.

Intel claims that it has identified four specific operating scenarios that can lead to Vman shift and stability issues, and has developed mitigations for each of these. The company states that the new microcode 0x12B will be shipping next, which follows on from prior updates such as microcode 0125. Intel asserts that there is no performance impact associated with this issue, but notes that validation testing will be necessary to confirm this.

**Intel's Claims About Mobile Processors**

In a surprising statement, Intel claims that its 13th and 14th gen mobile processors are unaffected by the Vman shift and stability issues. This claim has been met with skepticism from some in the industry, as many users have reported experiencing stability problems with these processors. It is unclear why Intel would make this claim, given the widespread reports of issues.

The author of the text notes that they have personally purchased one of these laptops and have experienced functional CPU-level defects. The laptop was extremely expensive, but ultimately did not perform well. The author suggests that users should still update their microcode, even if it may not fix existing stability issues.

**Future Testing and Validation**

Intel has announced that it will be retesting its CPUs in the coming weeks, with a focus on validating the new microcode updates. The company has stated that this testing will include comparisons between old and new hardware, as well as validation of the performance impact of the updated microcode. It is unclear at this time when the results of this testing will be available to the public.

**System Integrator Support**

Intel recommends that system integrators take steps to ensure that their customers' motherboards receive the necessary microcode updates. This includes checking with system integrators such as Corsair, which may have custom-designed boards that require specific updates. The company also notes that users who purchase pre-built systems should check with the manufacturer to ensure that they are using an updated motherboard.

**New Numbers and Updates**

In the coming weeks, Intel will be releasing new numbers for its CPUs, including updated microcode versions and performance comparisons between old and new hardware. The company is confident that these updates will address stability issues and provide improved performance. However, it remains to be seen whether these claims are borne out by real-world testing.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone welcome back to the hardware news recap for the week there's a lot of rumors this week to cover but also a good amount of actual just Hardware physical Hardware news uh first of all on the rumor side the 590 and 5080 get some rumored specifications the 9950 x3d and 9900 x3d are reportedly going to use both ccds with vcash rather than just one which might solve some of the sort of scheduling and special setup considerations that uh have existed in the past like for the 750 x3d on the news side Intel is once again addressing its issues with 13th and 14th gen stability with it's definitely the the fixed one this time micro code so we'll be talking about that some of the changes that they're uh talking about there 490 prices going up in Germany and valve experimenting with arm 64 let's get started before that this video is brought to you by lean Lee and the o1d Evo RGB case the o1d Evo RGB is an updated entry to the famed 11 lineup retaining heavy support for fan mounts Drive Mount locations and flexibility on component mounting such as two options for the power supply the O 11d Evo rgb's dual chamber approach aims to maximize cable storage on the backside to streamline Cable Management coupling this with a unique vertical GPU Mount to showcase the most expensive part in most systems learn more at the link in the description below first really quick update on the GN side so we posted our Fab tour documentary like I said in the the news episode last week you can check that out for more detail on some of the Nuance for this but uh despite the issues that we still have with Intel's 13th and 14th gen handling and how I think you they're kind of acting in bad faith and a lot of their Communications for that we have a whole separate video on that the Fab is a separate thing we filmed it a year ago finally got it all put together it's live on the channel check it out if you haven't seen it and uh so far the reception's been really positive so thank you all for checking it out giving it a shot because it's a fun format for us I really like doing factory tours because I learn a lot from them uh those environments where we normally get to talk to people who truly are experts in things that at least for me on the team uh I personally have no idea about before walking through the door so they're really fun videos to do because our format is basically just put a a mic on me a Mike on the uh the expert if there's uh multiple then great and basically just ask them questions and learn from them while we walk around the place and it worked out really well so if you want to learn about fabrication and W for production check that video out and and uh I'm I'm happy with how it came out so really glad to be done with that video was over a year in the making for that one but anyway with that we launched this shirt if you want to pre-order it it's on the store on store. Gamers x. or if you just want to buy one that's in stock we have the Cyber skeleton V2 shirt that is in stock and shipping there's not many of them left uh some of the sizes I think are out of stock already but those are in the store and this one's up for pre-order which we do because we collect sort of the quantity we need to order if it's going to be uh a special production run so this is a foil skeleton style shirt and it uses the factory components from different factories we've toured over the years the intent of the shirt is to help fund our factory tour series and our documentaries we produce because they are massive efforts uh very expensive for us to do we cover all of our own travel for that stuff and uh it's I mean really just do it because I think they're important and fun videos um and then we've launched these things to try and help pay for them so if you want to support that video directly then buying a shirt like this will help show that support and honestly if you can't afford it or you don't need a shirt that's totally fine with me even just watching parts of the video would be enough to make me happy so as for the shirt it's got some fops on it so the front opening unified pods that you saw up on the ceiling and the Fab tour we put those on the shirt and the design as part of the rib cage and the back's got vrm components on it so check that out on store Gamers access.net or just check out the video and let's get into the first story all right first up rumors of the 590 and 5080 cards again but now it's starting to get a little more concrete so noted Hardware leaker cight 7 kimy recently shared some supposed leaks for the upcoming RTX 50 Series cards these are just rumors at this point they're not yet verified we're going to talk about them anyway just cuz stuff's starting to firm up and then we can look back and see how accurate they were later so starting with the 590 nvidia's anticipated Flagship consumer card will reportedly be a 600 watt GPU we're going to come back to that number uh which will use a 512-bit memory bus and 32 G of gddr 7 memory it supposedly uses the GB 202 300 A1 GPU and features 21760 fp32 cores despite being a supposed 600 watt card which is 150 watts more than the advertised uh tgp of the 490 the leaker says that the card will perhaps surprisingly use a two slot cooler solution so this is an area where we think something might be getting mixed up here it's possible that uh the power numbers on it's possible that the expectation is just mixed up of what we think uh this type of card is supposed to be or it's possible that the rumor is mixed up with something only because two slots seems impossibly small for 600 watts now it is possible to do two slots of cooling on 600 watts if it's liquid or if it is maybe forced air input in a server type setup where you've got these super high RPM fans just force feeding air through a server chass or something now maybe Nvidia has some insane Marvel of cooling engineering that would certainly be exciting to cover and we' be happy to cover it it does however seem like something here is a little bit off unless it's not intended to be a true 490 replacement and it's something else entirely so anyway we'll find out what all that means but far too early to speculate on the various ways it could or couldn't be true uh the specs though if they are correct would show an increase in Cuda cor substantially for the 90 from 16,384 on the 490 to this new 20 plus th000 21760 number for the rumored 590 now CA cores are also not necessarily like for like depends generationally with architectural changes typically they are not and so in that way the Improvement would be nonlinear so uh it's possible that they make some changes to the SMS to the caor in a way that makes the math a little fuzzy and we'll just have to wait to actually Benchmark it either way the 600 watt number is another thing to pay attention to so in the past for the uh prior generation there are rumors ahead of launch about 600 or 800 watt cards none of these came to be true for the 490 As We Know It uh and one of the things that I later learned is that sometimes these numbers are referring to the uh total cooling capacity that Nvidia is advising Partners to design for meaning the cooler should be able to sustain that much rather than the GPU itself so uh anyway the the point is that with rumors we're not taking it at face value and we'll see um how it pans out so the 80 on the other hand will reportedly be a 400 wat card that leverages a 256bit memory bus and 16 GB of memory the memory capacity here would be about the same as a 4080 but uh the move to gddr 7 as opposed to gdr 6X would be a substantial change it supposedly will use the GB 203- 44001 die and offer 10,752 cores if these specs are true compared to the 480 before it that would represent a 25% increase in advertised tgp up from 320 Watts on the 480 there's just some commentary so this is the real reason the story is in here the biggest change in all this might just be how Nvidia positioned these devices in the stack so the 4090 uh we know from speaking with Anonymous people at Nvidia back when it launched was wildly successful beyond what they expected for the mainstream consumer launch of the card and this was after sort of the biggest mining boom and the 490 has remained popular throughout its lifespan some of that is because Nvidia has finally managed to push a top tier card substantially ahead of the next card down in the ranks that was not always the case uh a lot of times in the past we' review things where it'd be like $400 more for an extra 4% performance and so they managed to break free of that by segmenting them differently and the point is that it's possible Nvidia is positioning this so-called 90 as more of a prosumer card going forward or some type of like local AI type of crunching card where with that memory capacity and these numbers we're talking about and the power we're talking about it could just be something that really pushes the MSRP way up and sort of passes itself outside of top tier gaming performance and really commits to prummer so as an example for our workstations here when we edit videos we basically only use cards like the 3090 3090 TI or the 4090 the reason we don't use 480s for example is because of the memory there specifically that reason we actually a 3090 or 3090 TI does better for our workloads because we fully saturate the vram than a 4080 would and uh if they're committing more to that where you're segmenting out those prosumers into a different category of device uh kind of separate from what Quadro has historically done then that might be what we're seeing here is sort of doubling down on that commitment with fz90 anyway that's just some commentary for me so uh the next story is sort of a followup to the rumor we reported on last week about Nvidia potentially winding down the 490 production there were discussions of potentially discontinuation of the 490 cards 3D center.org reports that the prices for the flagship 8 love Place cards uh have increased over time in Germany the 490 launched at € 1,949 in the country back in October 2022 according to 3D Center the card reportedly dropped to a low of € 1,590 uh back in August of 2023 and now has come back to soore above its original launch price 3D center.org tweeted an image highlighting how nearly all of retailer case kan's 490 stock is out with the exception of an Asus Rog strick White variant which features an inflated price of €2 2,300 we also quickly checked new EG for us pricing and found that most of the models that are sold and shipped by newag and are new are around or above $1,900 now where some of these were closer to that $1700 range last year but it just really depends on when you check CU there were periods in the last year where the prices were briefly really high as well so all right valve maybe experimenting with arm 64 support in an update to valve test app 304 3620 on steamdb which is a site that's not affiliated with valve officially we can see hundreds of mentions of the term proton arm 64 EC next to hundreds of steam titles that include Left for Dead 2 Garry's Mod Kerbal Space Program bellany and more proton is the compatibility layer that valve uses such as on Steam OS for compatibility to allow Windows games to run on Linux now in proton with valve using it for the steam deck for example we've even seen some improvement sometimes where although there's a more limited range of total compatibility we've also seen better frame time pacing in some titles so it's an interesting solution in general for that reason where sometimes it's it's not like a just a second class citizen kind of like the old uh playing games through wine on Linux previously it's actually uh very robust now so anyway arm 64 is a 64-bit instruction set that's commonly used in mobile devices like smartphones and tablets pairing these together points to the possibility that Val maybe experimenting with getting Steam games which typically run on x86 on PC running on mobile Centric Hardware if valve is successful here it could point to the possibility of users playing Steam games on a growing pool of non x86 devices could also open the door for valve to make another portable gaming console beyond the steam deck maybe something a little bit different in its execution up next John Petty research or jpr has released its latest report of market share distribution and uh its report on aib or add-in board and add-in card devices in the market so total aib shipments jpr says have increased 9% in quarter 2 versus quarter 1 where typically the second quarter is flat or down as compared to the first the interesting point though is going to be on Intel which we'll get to in a second so jpr stated this quote the addin board Market continues to surprise and astonish Market Watchers who've been predicting its tomb for decades okay with one little dip in q1 seasonally normal we've seen four quarters of growth end quote shipments were also up 48% year-over-year According to jpr which is huge percentage wise but is also more of a recovery to the levels reported in quarter 1 of 2019 and 2020 there was of course a large overall Surge from the second half of 2020 through early 2022 and then a subsequent Crash from then through 2023 between this and the high attach rate it's looking like things are getting back to normal whatever that means at this point for the PC market uh not quite back to 2017 era Heights but that was also a time when crypto mining was playing a massive role in the GPU Market specifically so a little bit fuzzy because of that either way though uh jpr also published a market share graph and this is where it gets kind of interesting despite more gpus shipping Intel isn't getting any of the business based on these numbers its Arc gpus were at a 2% share in quarter to 2023 but they've since dropped low enough for jpr to report it simply as 0% now to reduce like this which would mean that Intel is not keeping up that pace that 2% as it continues to sell devices with say competitors Nvidia and AMD we don't know exactly how jpr does its math the level of precision or the rounding and its numbers clearly it's not exactly 0% but suffice to say jpr thinks it's at least below 1% this paints a grim picture for Intel's adoption and at least part of that can be attributable to the fact that Intel has not yet launched battle mage so it was really delayed with Arc that uh with Alchemist origin that worked for and against it and mostly against it I guess but the reason for the delays became apparent when they launched it which was massive driver problems as we've talked about repeatedly it has improved substantially since then we did a one year later revisit not too long ago uh and it has improved however repeating the same delays and not launching battle mage sort of on the original schedule is going to stack and tell up against some very serious competition from Nvidia and we're starting to hear about amd's 8000 series or whatever they call it stuff in the pipeline so they're going to be up against another hard fight rather than the outgoing Generation stuff anyway the point is Intel has to release new stuff if it wants to have any hope of gaining ground the chart also shows AMD dropping from 17% to 12% share just after the new strategy of potentially skipping the high end to focus on the bulk of GBU purchases we hope at least either Intel or AMD starts to gain share because it this is actually at a very concerning point in history where Nvidia is at 88% market share and I mean we're not like Economist reporters uh from a lay person perspective though 88% seems like a lot kind of monopolistic and that starts to become concerning because there is really nothing good that'll come from that type of domination in the market it is scary levels of dominance uh and I we've all seen GPU and CPU prices over the years where when there's the fiercest competition we get amazing value and then when one starts to really pull away it just gets kind of stupid so um definitely a little concerning there but at the same time it's not up to Nvidia to slow down and be worse just to let the other two get some market share they they have to earn it so challenging spot for Intel and AMD all right speaking of Intel gpus Twitter user bench leaks spotted what's believed to be a new battle mage card on geekbench the unspecified GPU which carried a device name of Intel XE Graphics RI or maybe R1 garnered an overall 97943 open CL score on the platform this currently puts it slightly above Intel's a750 Arc GPU which uses The Alchemist architecture and scored 96,6 for what it's worth the score is also below the 4060 which scored 101 98 in this particular test if this is indeed an upcoming battle mage card that score May change with further optimizations and more mature drivers and the GPU is tested on a system using Intel's 13600 K coupled with 32 GB of memory now uh geekbench is not the most representative Benchmark but it tends to be where a lot of leagues appear so wouldn't take it to mean much of anything from a Pure Performance stand point the more interesting point is just that battle mage is maybe starting to appear in places so maybe they'll ship it at some point all right up next it's a good thing we published our Fab tour before we had to change all instances and references of Intel to Qualcomm because the Wall Street Journal says that Qualcomm has allegedly been in talks to buy either Intel or maybe more realistically parts of it so currently just to make sure everyone's clear on this the source for this story is simply source is familiar with the matter now we've we've said that before too because sometimes you just can't name your source uh even if you have multiple of them and you're pretty sure of it so maybe it's valid maybe it's not point is there's no actual hard evidence for this presented in the story or anywhere else right now so with that kind of important caveat stated here's what the Wall Street Journal is reporting on they say that the uh quote deal is far from certain and that an acquisition would face some hurdles so Qualcomm is primarily known for its arm-based processors and Intel is known for its x86 CPUs this acquisition if it were to happen would definitely still raise Anti-Trust concerns and queries especially with the amount of money the US government is giving Intel lately to curb this the Wall Street Journal suggests that quote Qualcomm could intend to sell assets or parts of Intel to other buyers now really wouldn't be wild if intel sold part of its business to Qualcomm or really anyone else they have done this over the years Intel is a massive intellectual property machine it's like their their Chief thing they do is uh accumulate intellectual property they do a lot of engineering design development Acquisitions so Intel has sold stuff off in the past that wouldn't be unprecedented um the company also has a number of valuable intellectual property uh claims that it maybe isn't actively using or pursuing so we'll see how that develops but at its peak just for some perspective it used to be the most valuable chip company in the world compared to product level rival companies like AMD Nvidia Qualcomm Intel has had a brutal 2024 thus far with the company's stock dropping over 53% since January at the time of writing from a high of $49.5 a share to 2283 again at the time of writing the number on the screen will probably be a little bit different just because it changes literally all the time Intel has also traded blows with tsmc and Samsung over the years but in more recent years it seems to have seeded much of its lead to tsmc the company's market cap as of writing this is approximately 97.5 billion that'll be slight slightly different again on the screen but anywhere in that vicinity really seems like a drop in the bucket compared to companies like Nvidia which now has a $2.97 trillion cap at the time of writing Qualcomm based in San Diego has a market cap of 85.7 billion plus or minus a bit so it does seem unlikely that Qualcomm would buy the entirety of Intel plus even if we just pretend that were uh instantly financially viable for Qualcomm it would definitely face us government regulation hurdles uh antitrust queries all that usual stuff with big Acquisitions so uh anyway who knows if it becomes reality um I'm just happy that we published our fabor finally uh was a year in the making and would have been a lot of work to go back through and contrl f a video for the word Intel we just have this awkward voice over like every 10 seconds it'd be like Qualcomm and then back to the vo that we recorded before the acquisition anyway we'll see we I don't know I don't I don't think Intel as a whole is going to be bought out I don't know anything about this not a specialist in Acquisitions but um just looking at the way the US government sort of treats Intel uh it does seem unlikely that there' just be a total like yep we're Qualcomm now uh so maybe parts of it all right next one the 9950 XD 9900 XD and 9600 XD have some more rumors we'll keep this really short because there's not much to it but bench life is reporting that the 9950 x2d and 9900 x2d which would be dual CCD Parts meaning that there are three total chiplets on the substrate there's IOD and two ccds uh the current rumor is that those may run vertical cache across both ccds now in all the solutions that are relevant right now the vcash is run on a single CCD and so depending on which one you're looking at like the 7950 x2d for instance there's some special setup parameters to make sure you get Max performance out of it for scheduling uh and sort of task assignment reasons on the Windows level so moving to both ccds having 3D cache would be a pretty big change additionally bench life embedded a tweet from a Twitter user suggesting that the 9800 x3d will ship in early November according to a leaker this aligns with rumors of Intel's air Lake landed in October so looks like it'll be a busy couple months uh the aake rumors have really been ramping up lately I think a week or two ago the newest reported launch date was October 24th it's been moving around by a week but looks like it's going to be in that range so we'll be busy in the next month or so next one we have a mix of leaks and rumors around AMD Zen 5based apus code named stxs Halo and the Z2 extreme also in this Roundup of leaks presumably for the next Rog Ally maybe the r Ali 2 so we just combined all these into one some of these are a little older some are newer these upcoming Solutions follow the previous generation that had the 8840 u in various laptops and handhelds the Z1 extreme and devices like the Rog Ally as a baseline the zen5 solutions that actually exist or otherwise confirmed are codeen named stxs Point these are the ryzen AI 9 HX 375 HX 370 365 as listed on amd's official website the currently highest end HX 375 has 12 cores split into two clusters four normals N5 cores in one eight Zen 5c cores in the other for graphics it's got 16 rdna 3 .5 cus or compute units which AMD dubs the Radeon 890m finally there's an npu or neural processing unit with a listed 55 tops of performance for AI tasks moving into the leaks stricks Halo parts are claimed to be higher spec than stricks Point according to uh way booil user named Golden Pig upgrade package if you translate it the poster writes this quote stricks Halo preliminary skew planning ryzen AI Max 395 r AI Max 390 AI Max 385 list those for the CU count the core count and then it says up to 96 GB of memory can be allocated as video memory the 395 scaling up to 16 cores is interesting assuming AMD keeps its mixed architecture design the note about maximum memory allocation has implications for running larger generative AI models locally than is typically expected even if the actual performance is slower than something like a 4090 it may be acceptable for some workloads where you care more about being able to use more complex model models without sprinting for insanely expensive or more fixed location like non-moving workstation desktop gpus regardless of the final specifications these are looking like they'll be expensive compared to the previous uh generation of solutions from AMD an alleged member of the GPD team just in this lineup of rumors also posted something on Discord saying that the price of the HX 370 stricks Point not Halo is more than two times higher than the uh 8840 U assuming that's true it doesn't bode well for the pricing on the next generation of handhelds to round the story out though there's also a leak regarding the Z2 extreme purportedly going into the Rog Ali 2 and the legion goto according to a shipping manifest EVT samples of a processor marked as z2x 28w have been shipped to India the part number also shows up in amd's official Master list of products as mass market so that's a good indication of it being real it's also marked as having eight cores which should be totally adequate for gaming workloads particularly in a handheld where you're more likely limited by power budget anyway running extra CPU cores could take away from the efficiency uh elsewhere like the GPU cores it'll all be about finding the balance and that's what our testing will look at if and when these launch we just got through a ton of rumors so this block is going to be dedicated to just a bunch of news just pure hard news uh first up valve continues to pick up steam with the digital platform reaching a new concurrent player Peak that amounts to over 38 million users specifically steam reached 38,3 48,1 144 concurrent users which surpasses the platform's all-time high of 37.2 million that was established just last month steam's really been on a role since the release of black myth Wukong which became the highest concurrent single player game release on the platform and the second highest concurrently played game game overall multiplayer games like Counter-Strike 2 Dota 2 and pubg bolster those numbers and steam overall has continued to grow especially with Ubisoft now coming crawling back to it with its own games next meta has officially unveiled its meta Quest 3s its biggest selling point is the price the price starts at $300 Which is less than half of what officially the quest 3512 GB model debuted at although it's been close to 500 recently the 3s shares the same snapdragon xr2 chip the new 3s though is not as high resolution as the quest 3 and instead runs at 1832 by 1920 resolution per eye it also uses the older style Fel lenses as seen as the Quest 2 it's coming out October 15th and will also come with a copy of the upcoming game Batman Arkham Shadows another quick news thermal take has released two new colors for its Tower 300 series cases they include Limestone and gravel sand which the company is is referring to as uh quote Autumn Hughes because as we all know Limestone and gravel sand ceased to exist outside of fall it's actually a lot of people don't know this but that was the cause of the Great Limestone shortage of 1872 we didn't Harvest enough of it before the fall thermal has been pursuing more color variety this year when we visited them at computex in uh the summer we saw that the company was experimenting with a lot of different case colors they're planning to basically roll them out for short times and replace them as as they go see what's popular uh it kind of makes sense cuz you can't keep all these on the shelves forever so cool to see some variety next C Sonic has released a massive 2200 W power supply the prime PX 2200 the power supply carries an 80 plus Platinum certification and it uses a fully modular design supports ATX 3.1 PCI 5.1 features two native 12vt 2x6 cables it has 8 Pin to 12vt 2x6 cables as well the company highlights that the prime PX 2200 is geared to power the quote AI Revolution which sounds like something Skynet would be into the power supply is out now in China it's set to launch at the end of September October somewhere in Europe and it won't be available in the US at least officially it'll require an outlet capable of 240 volt AC and the power supply carries a retail price of 580 finally msi's x870 and x870 Boards have received their official product pages MSI goes heavy on the AI Obsession and with within just the first paragraph on the page lists AI boost AI land manager frozer AI Cooling and AI engine AI don't know what any of that means MSI is advertising ddr5 9000 plus support doesn't say AI in that one so that's nice and that's on the x870 Godlike the Godlike is shown with a lot of heat sinks and plates in case you want to go into battle or something lower down the page MSI shows the x870 E got like in more detail noting 24 110 amp power stages with a plus two plus1 vrm setup the mpg board is its x870 carbon Wi-Fi running 18x 110 and a lot fewer metal appendages all over the board they also announced the yellow and black Tomahawk x870 and the silver and black x870 p Wi-Fi all right finally uh Intel has posted yet another blog post relating to its ongoing 13th and 14th gen CPU stability issues we're reopening our testing on the CPUs now that Intel's saying it's this is definitely it this time uh for the micro code so now that it's gotten a little more mature we're going to be rerunning all the testing for Intel CPUs and uh in the very least it'll all be done for aerrow Lake which is rumored to be next month and hopefully we get something out sooner talking about some of the micr code changes until then though let's just take a look at what Intel wrote to set a baseline for expectation so Intel wrote this quote Intel has localized the vman shift and stability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IIA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature Intel has observed these conditions can lead to a duty cycle shift of the clocks and observed system instability Intel has identified four operating scenarios that can lead to vmin shift and affected processors uh they list them we'll give you the short version but they say motherboard power delivery ETB micr code algorithm micro code svid uh algorithm requesting High voltages micro code and bios code requesting elevated core voltages and then they've got their mitigations for each of these listed so Intel stated that the micro code 0x12 B will be shipping next that follows the prior 0125 update Intel claims that there is no performance impact we'll validate that on our own and let you know Intel also curiously claims that Intel 13th and 14th gen mobile processors are unaffected by vman shift inst stability and that is really curious maybe it's a different instability issue but the amount of emails we've received from you all specifically about laptops in those generations with stability problems uh seems contradictory to this statement so we actually bought one of those I spent like almost six grand on a laptop from a viewer that I mean it was actually what they paid it's a really expensive laptop and the CPU is functionally dead so it is a CPU level defect we've determined and anyway that's a separate thing hopefully we can get it we need it to work well enough that we can test some stuff that's the only problem we have right now otherwise it's a warranty unit for a different V type of video but anyway uh we'll look at that later so at this time that's the news from Intel regardless of whether this is the end of the road for the updates on this issue it's probably not you should still update your micro code and for those of you who purchase through system integrators or pre-built you should check with them if they have a custom board uh such as the Corsair 1 i500 which has a an a sort of variant of the MSI board that's in it to make sure you install the micro code updates for that as well because there's going to be stuff that you need to try and preserve the CPUs Now intel in the past for this issue specifically for these CPUs has stated recently that uh these updates will not fix or remedy existing instability issues and that it will only help going forward so you should still go through RMA channels if you're experiencing seen any instability issues at all um it's mixed bag we've gotten a good amount of emails from people who say they had a great arm experience we've also gotten a lot of emails from people saying they've had a terrible Army experience so still reading through those and sort of filtering everything it's a big story it's very difficult to get a grasp on but either way we're going to be retesting all this in due time especially for the AOL Lake launch or the x3d launch or whatever hits next uh we should have some new numbers for you all with a new micro code and we'll try and run some comparisons AB new to old as well and let you know what has changed so that that's it for this one thanks for watching as always go to the store to grab one of these shirts and to support our Factory documentary and educational series directly it's got some really cool interviews and 3D animations in there as well so thank you all for uh trying out the video hopefully you like it and uh it's a fun format to learn some stuff so that's it we'll see you all next timehey everyone welcome back to the hardware news recap for the week there's a lot of rumors this week to cover but also a good amount of actual just Hardware physical Hardware news uh first of all on the rumor side the 590 and 5080 get some rumored specifications the 9950 x3d and 9900 x3d are reportedly going to use both ccds with vcash rather than just one which might solve some of the sort of scheduling and special setup considerations that uh have existed in the past like for the 750 x3d on the news side Intel is once again addressing its issues with 13th and 14th gen stability with it's definitely the the fixed one this time micro code so we'll be talking about that some of the changes that they're uh talking about there 490 prices going up in Germany and valve experimenting with arm 64 let's get started before that this video is brought to you by lean Lee and the o1d Evo RGB case the o1d Evo RGB is an updated entry to the famed 11 lineup retaining heavy support for fan mounts Drive Mount locations and flexibility on component mounting such as two options for the power supply the O 11d Evo rgb's dual chamber approach aims to maximize cable storage on the backside to streamline Cable Management coupling this with a unique vertical GPU Mount to showcase the most expensive part in most systems learn more at the link in the description below first really quick update on the GN side so we posted our Fab tour documentary like I said in the the news episode last week you can check that out for more detail on some of the Nuance for this but uh despite the issues that we still have with Intel's 13th and 14th gen handling and how I think you they're kind of acting in bad faith and a lot of their Communications for that we have a whole separate video on that the Fab is a separate thing we filmed it a year ago finally got it all put together it's live on the channel check it out if you haven't seen it and uh so far the reception's been really positive so thank you all for checking it out giving it a shot because it's a fun format for us I really like doing factory tours because I learn a lot from them uh those environments where we normally get to talk to people who truly are experts in things that at least for me on the team uh I personally have no idea about before walking through the door so they're really fun videos to do because our format is basically just put a a mic on me a Mike on the uh the expert if there's uh multiple then great and basically just ask them questions and learn from them while we 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Gamers x. or if you just want to buy one that's in stock we have the Cyber skeleton V2 shirt that is in stock and shipping there's not many of them left uh some of the sizes I think are out of stock already but those are in the store and this one's up for pre-order which we do because we collect sort of the quantity we need to order if it's going to be uh a special production run so this is a foil skeleton style shirt and it uses the factory components from different factories we've toured over the years the intent of the shirt is to help fund our factory tour series and our documentaries we produce because they are massive efforts uh very expensive for us to do we cover all of our own travel for that stuff and uh it's I mean really just do it because I think they're important and fun videos um and then we've launched these things to try and help pay for them so if you want to support that video directly then buying a shirt like this will help show that support and honestly if you can't afford it or you don't need a shirt that's totally fine with me even just watching parts of the video would be enough to make me happy so as for the shirt it's got some fops on it so the front opening unified pods that you saw up on the ceiling and the Fab tour we put those on the shirt and the design as part of the rib cage and the back's got vrm components on it so check that out on store Gamers access.net or just check out the video and let's get into the first story all right first up rumors of the 590 and 5080 cards again but now it's starting to get a little more concrete so noted Hardware leaker cight 7 kimy recently shared some supposed leaks for the upcoming RTX 50 Series cards these are just rumors at this point they're not yet verified we're going to talk about them anyway just cuz stuff's starting to firm up and then we can look back and see how accurate they were later so starting with the 590 nvidia's anticipated Flagship consumer card will reportedly be a 600 watt GPU we're going to come back to that number uh which will use a 512-bit memory bus and 32 G of gddr 7 memory it supposedly uses the GB 202 300 A1 GPU and features 21760 fp32 cores despite being a supposed 600 watt card which is 150 watts more than the advertised uh tgp of the 490 the leaker says that the card will perhaps surprisingly use a two slot cooler solution so this is an area where we think something might be getting mixed up here it's possible that uh the power numbers on it's possible that the expectation is just mixed up of what we think uh this type of card is supposed to be or it's possible that the rumor is mixed up with something only because two slots seems impossibly small for 600 watts now it is possible to do two slots of cooling on 600 watts if it's liquid or if it is maybe forced air input in a server type setup where you've got these super high RPM fans just force feeding air through a server chass or something now maybe Nvidia has some insane Marvel of cooling engineering that would certainly be exciting to cover and we' be happy to cover it it does however seem like something here is a little bit off unless it's not intended to be a true 490 replacement and it's something else entirely so anyway we'll find out what all that means but far too early to speculate on the various ways it could or couldn't be true uh the specs though if they are correct would show an increase in Cuda cor substantially for the 90 from 16,384 on the 490 to this new 20 plus th000 21760 number for the rumored 590 now CA cores are also not necessarily like for like depends generationally with architectural changes typically they are not and so in that way the Improvement would be nonlinear so uh it's possible that they make some changes to the SMS to the caor in a way that makes the math a little fuzzy and we'll just have to wait to actually Benchmark it either way the 600 watt number is another thing to pay attention to so in the past for the uh prior generation there are rumors ahead of launch about 600 or 800 watt cards none of these came to be true for the 490 As We Know It uh and one of the things that I later learned is that sometimes these numbers are referring to the uh total cooling capacity that Nvidia is advising Partners to design for meaning the cooler should be able to sustain that much rather than the GPU itself so uh anyway the the point is that with rumors we're not taking it at face value and we'll see um how it pans out so the 80 on the other hand will reportedly be a 400 wat card that leverages a 256bit memory bus and 16 GB of memory the memory capacity here would be about the same as a 4080 but uh the move to gddr 7 as opposed to gdr 6X would be a substantial change it supposedly will use the GB 203- 44001 die and offer 10,752 cores if these specs are true compared to the 480 before it that would represent a 25% increase in advertised tgp up from 320 Watts on the 480 there's just some commentary so this is the real reason the story is in here the biggest change in all this might just be how Nvidia positioned these devices in the stack so the 4090 uh we know from speaking with Anonymous people at Nvidia back when it launched was wildly successful beyond what they expected for the mainstream consumer launch of the card and this was after sort of the biggest mining boom and the 490 has remained popular throughout its lifespan some of that is because Nvidia has finally managed to push a top tier card substantially ahead of the next card down in the ranks that was not always the case uh a lot of times in the past we' review things where it'd be like $400 more for an extra 4% performance and so they managed to break free of that by segmenting them differently and the point is that it's possible Nvidia is positioning this so-called 90 as more of a prosumer card going forward or some type of like local AI type of crunching card where with that memory capacity and these numbers we're talking about and the power we're talking about it could just be something that really pushes the MSRP way up and sort of passes itself outside of top tier gaming performance and really commits to prummer so as an example for our workstations here when we edit videos we basically only use cards like the 3090 3090 TI or the 4090 the reason we don't use 480s for example is because of the memory there specifically that reason we actually a 3090 or 3090 TI does better for our workloads because we fully saturate the vram than a 4080 would and uh if they're committing more to that where you're segmenting out those prosumers into a different category of device uh kind of separate from what Quadro has historically done then that might be what we're seeing here is sort of doubling down on that commitment with fz90 anyway that's just some commentary for me so uh the next story is sort of a followup to the rumor we reported on last week about Nvidia potentially winding down the 490 production there were discussions of potentially discontinuation of the 490 cards 3D center.org reports that the prices for the flagship 8 love Place cards uh have increased over time in Germany the 490 launched at € 1,949 in the country back in October 2022 according to 3D Center the card reportedly dropped to a low of € 1,590 uh back in August of 2023 and now has come back to soore above its original launch price 3D center.org tweeted an image highlighting how nearly all of retailer case kan's 490 stock is out with the exception of an Asus Rog strick White variant which features an inflated price of €2 2,300 we also quickly checked new EG for us pricing and found that most of the models that are sold and shipped by newag and are new are around or above $1,900 now where some of these were closer to that $1700 range last year but it just really depends on when you check CU there were periods in the last year where the prices were briefly really high as well so all right valve maybe experimenting with arm 64 support in an update to valve test app 304 3620 on steamdb which is a site that's not affiliated with valve officially we can see hundreds of mentions of the term proton arm 64 EC next to hundreds of steam titles that include Left for Dead 2 Garry's Mod Kerbal Space Program bellany and more proton is the compatibility layer that valve uses such as on Steam OS for compatibility to allow Windows games to run on Linux now in proton with valve using it for the steam deck for example we've even seen some improvement sometimes where although there's a more limited range of total compatibility we've also seen better frame time pacing in some titles so it's an interesting solution in general for that reason where sometimes it's it's not like a just a second class citizen kind of like the old uh playing games through wine on Linux previously it's actually uh very robust now so anyway arm 64 is a 64-bit instruction set that's commonly used in mobile devices like smartphones and tablets pairing these together points to the possibility that Val maybe experimenting with getting Steam games which typically run on x86 on PC running on mobile Centric Hardware if valve is successful here it could point to the possibility of users playing Steam games on a growing pool of non x86 devices could also open the door for valve to make another portable gaming console beyond the steam deck maybe something a little bit different in its execution up next John Petty research or jpr has released its latest report of market share distribution and uh its report on aib or add-in board and add-in card devices in the market so total aib shipments jpr says have increased 9% in quarter 2 versus quarter 1 where typically the second quarter is flat or down as compared to the first the interesting point though is going to be on Intel which we'll get to in a second so jpr stated this quote the addin board Market continues to surprise and astonish Market Watchers who've been predicting its tomb for decades okay with one little dip in q1 seasonally normal we've seen four quarters of growth end quote shipments were also up 48% year-over-year According to jpr which is huge percentage wise but is also more of a recovery to the levels reported in quarter 1 of 2019 and 2020 there was of course a large overall Surge from the second half of 2020 through early 2022 and then a subsequent Crash from then through 2023 between this and the high attach rate it's looking like things are getting back to normal whatever that means at this point for the PC market uh not quite back to 2017 era Heights but that was also a time when crypto mining was playing a massive role in the GPU Market specifically so a little bit fuzzy because of that either way though uh jpr also published a market share graph and this is where it gets kind of interesting despite more gpus shipping Intel isn't getting any of the business based on these numbers its Arc gpus were at a 2% share in quarter to 2023 but they've since dropped low enough for jpr to report it simply as 0% now to reduce like this which would mean that Intel is not keeping up that pace that 2% as it continues to sell devices with say competitors Nvidia and AMD we don't know exactly how jpr does its math the level of precision or the rounding and its numbers clearly it's not exactly 0% but suffice to say jpr thinks it's at least below 1% this paints a grim picture for Intel's adoption and at least part of that can be attributable to the fact that Intel has not yet launched battle mage so it was really delayed with Arc that uh with Alchemist origin that worked for and against it and mostly against it I guess but the reason for the delays became apparent when they launched it which was massive driver problems as we've talked about repeatedly it has improved substantially since then we did a one year later revisit not too long ago uh and it has improved however repeating the same delays and not launching battle mage sort of on the original schedule is going to stack and tell up against some very serious competition from Nvidia and we're starting to hear about amd's 8000 series or whatever they call it stuff in the pipeline so they're going to be up against another hard fight rather than the outgoing Generation stuff anyway the point is Intel has to release new stuff if it wants to have any hope of gaining ground the chart also shows AMD dropping from 17% to 12% share just after the new strategy of potentially skipping the high end to focus on the bulk of GBU purchases we hope at least either Intel or AMD starts to gain share because it this is actually at a very concerning point in history where Nvidia is at 88% market share and I mean we're not like Economist reporters uh from a lay person perspective though 88% seems like a lot kind of monopolistic and that starts to become concerning because there is really nothing good that'll come from that type of domination in the market it is scary levels of dominance uh and I we've all seen GPU and CPU prices over the years where when there's the fiercest competition we get amazing value and then when one starts to really pull away it just gets kind of stupid so um definitely a little concerning there but at the same time it's not up to Nvidia to slow down and be worse just to let the other two get some market share they they have to earn it so challenging spot for Intel and AMD all right speaking of Intel gpus Twitter user bench leaks spotted what's believed to be a new battle mage card on geekbench the unspecified GPU which carried a device name of Intel XE Graphics RI or maybe R1 garnered an overall 97943 open CL score on the platform this currently puts it slightly above Intel's a750 Arc GPU which uses The Alchemist architecture and scored 96,6 for what it's worth the score is also below the 4060 which scored 101 98 in this particular test if this is indeed an upcoming battle mage card that score May change with further optimizations and more mature drivers and the GPU is tested on a system using Intel's 13600 K coupled with 32 GB of memory now uh geekbench is not the most representative Benchmark but it tends to be where a lot of leagues appear so wouldn't take it to mean much of anything from a Pure Performance stand point the more interesting point is just that battle mage is maybe starting to appear in places so maybe they'll ship it at some point all right up next it's a good thing we published our Fab tour before we had to change all instances and references of Intel to Qualcomm because the Wall Street Journal says that Qualcomm has allegedly been in talks to buy either Intel or maybe more realistically parts of it so currently just to make sure everyone's clear on this the source for this story is simply source is familiar with the matter now we've we've said that before too because sometimes you just can't name your source uh even if you have multiple of them and you're pretty sure of it so maybe it's valid maybe it's not point is there's no actual hard evidence for this presented in the story or anywhere else right now so with that kind of important caveat stated here's what the Wall Street Journal is reporting on they say that the uh quote deal is far from certain and that an acquisition would face some hurdles so Qualcomm is primarily known for its arm-based processors and Intel is known for its x86 CPUs this acquisition if it were to happen would definitely still raise Anti-Trust concerns and queries especially with the amount of money the US government is giving Intel lately to curb this the Wall Street Journal suggests that quote Qualcomm could intend to sell assets or parts of Intel to other buyers now really wouldn't be wild if intel sold part of its business to Qualcomm or really anyone else they have done this over the years Intel is a massive intellectual property machine it's like their their Chief thing they do is uh accumulate intellectual property they do a lot of engineering design development Acquisitions so Intel has sold stuff off in the past that wouldn't be unprecedented um the company also has a number of valuable intellectual property uh claims that it maybe isn't actively using or pursuing so we'll see how that develops but at its peak just for some perspective it used to be the most valuable chip company in the world compared to product level rival companies like AMD Nvidia Qualcomm Intel has had a brutal 2024 thus far with the company's stock dropping over 53% since January at the time of writing from a high of $49.5 a share to 2283 again at the time of writing the number on the screen will probably be a little bit different just because it changes literally all the time Intel has also traded blows with tsmc and Samsung over the years but in more recent years it seems to have seeded much of its lead to tsmc the company's market cap as of writing this is approximately 97.5 billion that'll be slight slightly different again on the screen but anywhere in that vicinity really seems like a drop in the bucket compared to companies like Nvidia which now has a $2.97 trillion cap at the time of writing Qualcomm based in San Diego has a market cap of 85.7 billion plus or minus a bit so it does seem unlikely that Qualcomm would buy the entirety of Intel plus even if we just pretend that were uh instantly financially viable for Qualcomm it would definitely face us government regulation hurdles uh antitrust queries all that usual stuff with big Acquisitions so uh anyway who knows if it becomes reality um I'm just happy that we published our fabor finally uh was a year in the making and would have been a lot of work to go back through and contrl f a video for the word Intel we just have this awkward voice over like every 10 seconds it'd be like Qualcomm and then back to the vo that we recorded before the acquisition anyway we'll see we I don't know I don't I don't think Intel as a whole is going to be bought out I don't know anything about this not a specialist in Acquisitions but um just looking at the way the US government sort of treats Intel uh it does seem unlikely that there' just be a total like yep we're Qualcomm now uh so maybe parts of it all right next one the 9950 XD 9900 XD and 9600 XD have some more rumors we'll keep this really short because there's not much to it but bench life is reporting that the 9950 x2d and 9900 x2d which would be dual CCD Parts meaning that there are three total chiplets on the substrate there's IOD and two ccds uh the current rumor is that those may run vertical cache across both ccds now in all the solutions that are relevant right now the vcash is run on a single CCD and so depending on which one you're looking at like the 7950 x2d for instance there's some special setup parameters to make sure you get Max performance out of it for scheduling uh and sort of task assignment reasons on the Windows level so moving to both ccds having 3D cache would be a pretty big change additionally bench life embedded a tweet from a Twitter user suggesting that the 9800 x3d will ship in early November according to a leaker this aligns with rumors of Intel's air Lake landed in October so looks like it'll be a busy couple months uh the aake rumors have really been ramping up lately I think a week or two ago the newest reported launch date was October 24th it's been moving around by a week but looks like it's going to be in that range so we'll be busy in the next month or so next one we have a mix of leaks and rumors around AMD Zen 5based apus code named stxs Halo and the Z2 extreme also in this Roundup of leaks presumably for the next Rog Ally maybe the r Ali 2 so we just combined all these into one some of these are a little older some are newer these upcoming Solutions follow the previous generation that had the 8840 u in various laptops and handhelds the Z1 extreme and devices like the Rog Ally as a baseline the zen5 solutions that actually exist or otherwise confirmed are codeen named stxs Point these are the ryzen AI 9 HX 375 HX 370 365 as listed on amd's official website the currently highest end HX 375 has 12 cores split into two clusters four normals N5 cores in one eight Zen 5c cores in the other for graphics it's got 16 rdna 3 .5 cus or compute units which AMD dubs the Radeon 890m finally there's an npu or neural processing unit with a listed 55 tops of performance for AI tasks moving into the leaks stricks Halo parts are claimed to be higher spec than stricks Point according to uh way booil user named Golden Pig upgrade package if you translate it the poster writes this quote stricks Halo preliminary skew planning ryzen AI Max 395 r AI Max 390 AI Max 385 list those for the CU count the core count and then it says up to 96 GB of memory can be allocated as video memory the 395 scaling up to 16 cores is interesting assuming AMD keeps its mixed architecture design the note about maximum memory allocation has implications for running larger generative AI models locally than is typically expected even if the actual performance is slower than something like a 4090 it may be acceptable for some workloads where you care more about being able to use more complex model models without sprinting for insanely expensive or more fixed location like non-moving workstation desktop gpus regardless of the final specifications these are looking like they'll be expensive compared to the previous uh generation of solutions from AMD an alleged member of the GPD team just in this lineup of rumors also posted something on Discord saying that the price of the HX 370 stricks Point not Halo is more than two times higher than the uh 8840 U assuming that's true it doesn't bode well for the pricing on the next generation of handhelds to round the story out though there's also a leak regarding the Z2 extreme purportedly going into the Rog Ali 2 and the legion goto according to a shipping manifest EVT samples of a processor marked as z2x 28w have been shipped to India the part number also shows up in amd's official Master list of products as mass market so that's a good indication of it being real it's also marked as having eight cores which should be totally adequate for gaming workloads particularly in a handheld where you're more likely limited by power budget anyway running extra CPU cores could take away from the efficiency uh elsewhere like the GPU cores it'll all be about finding the balance and that's what our testing will look at if and when these launch we just got through a ton of rumors so this block is going to be dedicated to just a bunch of news just pure hard news uh first up valve continues to pick up steam with the digital platform reaching a new concurrent player Peak that amounts to over 38 million users specifically steam reached 38,3 48,1 144 concurrent users which surpasses the platform's all-time high of 37.2 million that was established just last month steam's really been on a role since the release of black myth Wukong which became the highest concurrent single player game release on the platform and the second highest concurrently played game game overall multiplayer games like Counter-Strike 2 Dota 2 and pubg bolster those numbers and steam overall has continued to grow especially with Ubisoft now coming crawling back to it with its own games next meta has officially unveiled its meta Quest 3s its biggest selling point is the price the price starts at $300 Which is less than half of what officially the quest 3512 GB model debuted at although it's been close to 500 recently the 3s shares the same snapdragon xr2 chip the new 3s though is not as high resolution as the quest 3 and instead runs at 1832 by 1920 resolution per eye it also uses the older style Fel lenses as seen as the Quest 2 it's coming out October 15th and will also come with a copy of the upcoming game Batman Arkham Shadows another quick news thermal take has released two new colors for its Tower 300 series cases they include Limestone and gravel sand which the company is is referring to as uh quote Autumn Hughes because as we all know Limestone and gravel sand ceased to exist outside of fall it's actually a lot of people don't know this but that was the cause of the Great Limestone shortage of 1872 we didn't Harvest enough of it before the fall thermal has been pursuing more color variety this year when we visited them at computex in uh the summer we saw that the company was experimenting with a lot of different case colors they're planning to basically roll them out for short times and replace them as as they go see what's popular uh it kind of makes sense cuz you can't keep all these on the shelves forever so cool to see some variety next C Sonic has released a massive 2200 W power supply the prime PX 2200 the power supply carries an 80 plus Platinum certification and it uses a fully modular design supports ATX 3.1 PCI 5.1 features two native 12vt 2x6 cables it has 8 Pin to 12vt 2x6 cables as well the company highlights that the prime PX 2200 is geared to power the quote AI Revolution which sounds like something Skynet would be into the power supply is out now in China it's set to launch at the end of September October somewhere in Europe and it won't be available in the US at least officially it'll require an outlet capable of 240 volt AC and the power supply carries a retail price of 580 finally msi's x870 and x870 Boards have received their official product pages MSI goes heavy on the AI Obsession and with within just the first paragraph on the page lists AI boost AI land manager frozer AI Cooling and AI engine AI don't know what any of that means MSI is advertising ddr5 9000 plus support doesn't say AI in that one so that's nice and that's on the x870 Godlike the Godlike is shown with a lot of heat sinks and plates in case you want to go into battle or something lower down the page MSI shows the x870 E got like in more detail noting 24 110 amp power stages with a plus two plus1 vrm setup the mpg board is its x870 carbon Wi-Fi running 18x 110 and a lot fewer metal appendages all over the board they also announced the yellow and black Tomahawk x870 and the silver and black x870 p Wi-Fi all right finally uh Intel has posted yet another blog post relating to its ongoing 13th and 14th gen CPU stability issues we're reopening our testing on the CPUs now that Intel's saying it's this is definitely it this time uh for the micro code so now that it's gotten a little more mature we're going to be rerunning all the testing for Intel CPUs and uh in the very least it'll all be done for aerrow Lake which is rumored to be next month and hopefully we get something out sooner talking about some of the micr code changes until then though let's just take a look at what Intel wrote to set a baseline for expectation so Intel wrote this quote Intel has localized the vman shift and stability issue to a clock tree circuit within the IIA core which is particularly vulnerable to reliability aging under elevated voltage and temperature Intel has observed these conditions can lead to a duty cycle shift of the clocks and observed system instability Intel has identified four operating scenarios that can lead to vmin shift and affected processors uh they list them we'll give you the short version but they say motherboard power delivery ETB micr code algorithm micro code svid uh algorithm requesting High voltages micro code and bios code requesting elevated core voltages and then they've got their mitigations for each of these listed so Intel stated that the micro code 0x12 B will be shipping next that follows the prior 0125 update Intel claims that there is no performance impact we'll validate that on our own and let you know Intel also curiously claims that Intel 13th and 14th gen mobile processors are unaffected by vman shift inst stability and that is really curious maybe it's a different instability issue but the amount of emails we've received from you all specifically about laptops in those generations with stability problems uh seems contradictory to this statement so we actually bought one of those I spent like almost six grand on a laptop from a viewer that I mean it was actually what they paid it's a really expensive laptop and the CPU is functionally dead so it is a CPU level defect we've determined and anyway that's a separate thing hopefully we can get it we need it to work well enough that we can test some stuff that's the only problem we have right now otherwise it's a warranty unit for a different V type of video but anyway uh we'll look at that later so at this time that's the news from Intel regardless of whether this is the end of the road for the updates on this issue it's probably not you should still update your micro code and for those of you who purchase through system integrators or pre-built you should check with them if they have a custom board uh such as the Corsair 1 i500 which has a an a sort of variant of the MSI board that's in it to make sure you install the micro code updates for that as well because there's going to be stuff that you need to try and preserve the CPUs Now intel in the past for this issue specifically for these CPUs has stated recently that uh these updates will not fix or remedy existing instability issues and that it will only help going forward so you should still go through RMA channels if you're experiencing seen any instability issues at all um it's mixed bag we've gotten a good amount of emails from people who say they had a great arm experience we've also gotten a lot of emails from people saying they've had a terrible Army experience so still reading through those and sort of filtering everything it's a big story it's very difficult to get a grasp on but either way we're going to be retesting all this in due time especially for the AOL Lake launch or the x3d launch or whatever hits next uh we should have some new numbers for you all with a new micro code and we'll try and run some comparisons AB new to old as well and let you know what has changed so that that's it for this one thanks for watching as always go to the store to grab one of these shirts and to support our Factory documentary and educational series directly it's got some really cool interviews and 3D animations in there as well so thank you all for uh trying out the video hopefully you like it and uh it's a fun format to learn some stuff so that's it we'll see you all next time\n"