The Future of Electric Cars and Tesla's Growth Prospects

As I reflect on the current state of electric cars in the United States, it's clear that we're still far from widespread adoption. According to a Pew Research Center survey, only 4% of American adults own an electric car. However, this number is expected to grow as battery prices continue to drop and consumers become more aware of the environmental benefits of electric vehicles. While some people may be deterred by the high upfront cost of these cars, many others are willing to pay a premium for the reduced operating costs and lower emissions.

In fact, I know someone who lives on a modest income of $40 or $50 grand per year and has chosen to pay an extra $13,000 for an electric car. This may seem like a significant expense, but it's clear that these individuals are willing to make sacrifices in order to reduce their carbon footprint. As the gigafactory scales up production and battery prices continue to drop, I believe we'll see more people making this choice.

Tesla is often cited as a leader in the electric car market, and for good reason. The company has been at the forefront of innovation in this space, and its vehicles are widely regarded as some of the best on the road. However, like any other company, Tesla is not immune to challenges. I've heard stories from friends who have had to deal with costly repairs and maintenance issues with their Tesla models. For example, one friend of mine had to replace his wheel motors on a Model S after just a few years of ownership.

Despite these challenges, I remain optimistic about Tesla's prospects for growth. The company has already made significant inroads into the market, and its vehicles are widely popular among consumers. As electric cars continue to gain traction, I believe we'll see more people choosing to buy from Tesla as well. In fact, my friend who owns a Model 3 reported that only 20% of his ownership time was spent on the road, and for the other 80%, it was in the shop being repaired.

In order to make electric cars more accessible to a wider audience, we need to see improvements in terms of reliability and affordability. While Tesla's vehicles are certainly impressive, they can be pricey. By reducing costs and increasing efficiency, I believe we'll see more people making the switch to electric cars. As I mentioned earlier, I'd love to see Tesla release more affordable models as well. Who knows? Maybe one day, electric cars will become so affordable that even budget-conscious consumers can afford them.

For now, it's clear that we're still in the early stages of this transition. We'll need to see significant advancements in terms of technology and manufacturing before electric cars become truly mainstream. But with companies like Tesla pushing the boundaries of innovation, I have confidence that we'll get there eventually.

Regarding other electric car manufacturers, I think they should learn from Tesla's experiences. For example, how would you design an affordable electric car? How can you balance performance and range while keeping costs down? These are questions that need to be answered in order to make electric cars more accessible to a wider audience. In my opinion, Meta (a company we checked out for two years ago) is still too early days and they had some hard times but I'm hoping we'll get success stories in the future

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by the fine folks at MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but they do just about everything to help businesses grow like ads postcards landing pages audience management tools automations reports and more you could say MailChimp grew so much that they outgrew their name and their marketing tools can help you do the same and go to MailChimp calm to sign up for free and see how MailChimp can help grow your business MailChimp they do more than mail for Thursday January 24th 2019 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast have tested hello and welcome to this week's fine episode I realize now that I left my morning coffee outside of the podcast room as I look at Jeremy Williams burgers delicious fancy cinnamon star anise infused cold brew orange peel orange PLL cold brew o to make a rough podcast I'm so sorry more energy faster more intensity I'm norm and joint of course Benjamin Williams here greetings and assures not yet back we thought I'd be back this week so we have another guest it's Patrick Norton welcome back to the show Patrick thanks for having me thanks for coming if your coffee less and surly does that mean I have to be sort of upbeat and enthusiastic we switch on roles I feel like I'm usually the cynical point on any given podcast where we'll make this work thanks for coming in I think we gave you a hold 20 hours notice no it was like 17 okay it's a record-low but to be fair cuz short gave us like 18 hours notice that he couldn't make he wasn't even be in this city you know we said a pod must be recorded I you know I just look to the boys Mike do you want to go see something cool tomorrow they're like yes so they're out quietly doing math in the front room while we cast pod excellent do you have any fear of like what your kids may be doing in our studio right you know the last time one of my children was was in the tested offices he managed to shut off the video on the board while you and I were recording a podcast if memory serves a miss has standing orders to keep Tristan from touching anything so if it starts sounding like a Tom and Jerry cartoon out there the perils of father hey I went to see a show last night and for the first time left with Nana cat left our child back at home with my mom to watch him for I think four and a half hours it might even have been five hours and guess what what I didn't feel a thing I was just happy to be out in the world I was not anxious how is this how was Danica five we called in once during intermission distributive yeah but we were like you know what my mom raised three children she's got this as long as she doesn't break a hip carrying the large baby up the stairs you say that that's is this is her first grandchild first grandchild yeah so there's precious there's a rewarming period I think that grandparents have to go through they have to warm back up to this idea and this is why yeah you were probably raised with cloth diapers yes yeah I'm definitely without diapers that had the without with the strip the color-changing strip I think that's new to me Wow I know about this no now diapers standard have a yellow line that goes from top to bottom easier and it changes color when it gets wet is your challenge so now hydrated you can't tell that it's relieved itself because the diaper isn't floating around its knees because there was so little water now with this I just it's you know there's a little pregnancy test tie in there that I'm just not working without any emotional level oh we use that because then we don't have to change the diaper if he hasn't gone yeah and when the color changes then we know it's safe to remove the diaper and I guess you could go the old-fashioned way and lift the child so you look see ways a the typers waiting to you know as soon as like you picked the kid up you pretty much know whether or not it's time to change the diaper so maybe people want to do a longer distance that's cuz you're old school men these new compare ins they have no idea they need color changing diapers the trick is to not touch your child with this is that the 21st century yeah minimal contact your animal reading your grandkid a robot that rocks the child your ground oh yeah you literally do I do you're actually I know I you ever seen this The Sex in the City episode where the Hitachi vibrator ends up attached to the child no it's it's one of the great parental hacks ever and I was it was in case your grandkids will have talking diapers nice the diaper is wet change me change me you know diapers that have like Internet of diapers have have have I've lo VI you totally have have like graphics on them and I'm like why do you need Elmo on the diaper when the toddler isn't forming memories yet who is this for like if you're gonna put branding or put character dude do it for me it's for you for the next ten years well the size zero and the size one diapers don't need no the branding it's their selling they're trying to yes and grain me with Elmo's in Sesame Street that's not a value-add for me yeah you know something it's it's funny cuz dad jokes put dad jokes on the diapers that is a really awesome idea right on the butt where they belong coop emojis hey there you go right I mean like I remember my wife is was very intensely anti like cartoon character character branding yeah to the point where life that's why we started stenciling t-shirts because everything was so especially like like gender coded for boys and girls when we be out shopping and stuff but it was amazing some of the reactions I got from people are like you haven't taken your children to Disney yet no and if I'm lucky I'll never have to go back to Disneyland again and it's like more power to you if you enjoy it but the last time I was there I remember being like wow this is really expensive and I spent half my day standing in lines with people shoving their giant pocketbooks full of God knows what into my back because they thought if they pushed me the line would move faster Wow and that's all I remember from my last trip to Disneyland that and a lot of weeping people especially adults usually in line tried to buy a beer for what was it like 42 dollars or something California venture it's only placed in Disney and they saw the beers yeah I will not talk about too much about the show and I went to see though because I want to save that for next week's conversation you don't even know it was a circus of a show so I'm not got to see the show that you'd mentioned a few weeks back or Volta highly recommended and you highly recommended it and I will now reaffirm that recommendation because it blew my mind but the specifics you'll have to wait until the following week some key shorts back and maybe even a tested video in the not-too-distant future that's exciting yeah yeah a little bit of teasing there but we've wanted to get you on the podcast for quite a while now back on the podcast Patrick because you unlike us actually went to CES it hasn't changed a lot since last you were there only the products have shifted I've still felt the FOMO so lay it on us we've read the news what was your CES experience like one of the best things that you saw and the things that you got to see so a lot of incremental stuff like three the big takeaways for me was one watching it was interesting watching as somebody spends a lot of time talking with Robert Herron about screens on a V Excel watching you know LG be like look we have this amazing we've done the roll-up screen we actually turned it into a product we'll have a ship date we don't have a price prepare to sell your car but that was I don't really get giddy about products anymore ever and watching that thing is one of the coolest things I've ever seen at CES because it was just like you would you know it's rolling up and the pictures going as it rolls up and it rolls back down that it sounds so stupid to hear that out loud in my headphones but it was really really cool to see what is the use case for that though so when you think about the vast majority of the population is living in very very small spaces and spaces that are getting smaller and when you look at the longevity of screens the number one thing I had a conversation with Dell a few months ago and I talked to one of their engineers there's like how do you make a screen last longer they're like don't put a screen saver on it shut it off you can literally triple the length of the life of your monitor right when you look at the terms of monitor decay over like LEDs like you know it's it's you know I think it's like if you leave it on 24/7 for three years you've effectively reduced the brightness of the monitor by 50% and by most standards that's considered a you know time to replace the monitors who so simply by like not displaying anything on the monitor the monitor lasts a lot longer but what so what why does that need to roll up well a lot of it because basically a lot of people especially if you live in if you have a very small living room you walk into a room or a very small room where your where your screen is it is dami like a 65 inch screen is a big black hole in most people's room even if there's like even if the Apple TV is playing it's extraordinary images of whatever or whatever your roku is doing it's goofy it's to make your room more aesthetically appealing I think so I can't do my AR when the screens in the way because the spatial recognition right won't track the reflection off the screen I mean for people who are jumping in saying this is crazy people who were have need for space aren't spending $10,000 on TVs you're not talking about this model you're talking about what this technology could send in the future when we get some a spark adoption the few of having the TV not be a fixture permanent fixture when you're not using it yeah because right now when you look at the wood Samsung came out with as their kind of big drop was like you know we have a ninety eight inch 8k monitor it is massive and huge and it will cover your wall and you can buy a house in the United States for what this cost you know and there of course when you look at that you've got LED which suit currently a superior contrast because you turn a no LED pixel off and it's black it's absolutely black and the Samsung there's a micro you talk about micro LCDs okay but but in terms of you know there's kind of a battle in terms of how do you define HDR and improve contrast you know with the quantum dot technology a lot of that it's getting brighter light so that what is actually a very very dark gray and not black when the pixel is quote black looks like black because everything around it is so much brighter but it was just funny to see like LG's like look at this really crazy thing we we you know built out of a garage door opener and a box in a rollup oh le d-- screen vs samsung going we have an even bigger screen this year and it's 8k and there's no 8k content so that was that mean for me that was in our scene in watts there's a whole bunch of actual 4k projectors finally coming out it was weird looking at you know gaming was huge this year and video basically didn't spend nine hours talking about everything but the new GPU they kind of got straight into the 2060 really quickly which is a fantastic card although some people think that should be a $200 cores no to 350 dollar card and argument I don't really want to play out anywhere other than the YouTube comments have already played it out in you know it Intel actually talked about the processors you know fast and early and basically saying more cores more performance and you know their next-generation chip architecture they're talking about taking you know potential battery life from 15 hours up to 25 hours we're talking about the not for desktop though not even for high-end laptop this is own like the all the laptop well I mean you'd have with the you know the the the more power sipping stuff yes yes yeah I think they have enough issues at this point with the performance laptops keeping the processors cool Dallin I should point out the the CES coverage or Unitec thing was sponsored by Dell but but looking at Dell's one fixing the delete expletive nostril cam on the XPS series which is oh yeah this is so that's people know the Dell XPS laptops the 13-inch and I guess the 15-inch as well has been very popular ultrabook alternatives to to the Mac books they've performed well they look great but the long-standing problem was that the user facing camera has been in the hinge ya nostril looking as opposed to because they want the slim bezels and so where do they put the camera now they put the camera directly Center above the screen they have a slightly larger bezel and they reduce the camera size from seven millimeters to 2.5 millimeter so it's not a reverse knotch no no no no seems in Reverse not seems like a no-brainer yeah finally I'm glad they finally did that but going back to the roll TV I get what you're going what you mean but the thing that ice think about is the mechanical problems yeah so I need to add mechanical complexity to this appliance you're saying like the roller motor stuff yes you can't even watch heard yes like why do you need that type of the gearing and and not just the cost but the maintenance required for that well what there's what they're claiming and the number of original number I heard was twenty thousand cycles on that which I think even a hyperactive toddler you know on yeah that's what's your garage door what's the cycle is on your garage door probably a lot less than that I'd have to look it up it's been so long since I've had a garage door we also heard some later reports that people were claiming that it would be cycling up to fifty thousand but twenty thousand cycles is if it's legit and their engineering is good that's a pretty long time that's a lot of cycles okay alright and for the price point this thing might end up shipping at yeah I don't think the maintenance costs are going to be too much of a concern yeah it should be I mean steel bearings and all that should be maintenance-free dot dot dot right this goes to you know that we saw for double screens at CES as well but mature technologies and mature product lines companies every year are there they're getting weirder and the ways they're trying to diversify and wow us when just make the thing that we want and we use actually better like the image quality or me or make it cheaper I think we were arguing about a year ago about whether or not phones need to be thinner I'm I'm tired of a thinner phone I don't want a thinner phone I want a phone that doesn't Bend a tune for that razor yeah I want a phone that does not Bend on contact with reality right well on the human on that subject to have TV has not gotten high enough resolution it does 8k matter to you 8k doesn't matter to me 8k doesn't matter to your eyeballs 8k matters I I feel and I'm using my feeling words here and Robert would probably be a better person to talk to you I feel then 8k is a lot like 3d in the sense that you know the manufacturers want to increase adoption especially at the high end where the most of the profits are at 8 KS the next natural evolution there is for all intents and purposes no 8k content there wasn't 4k content to begin with I'm sure okay man there was actually you know the the path you know we barely have 4k content a lot of what we see in even in UHD blu-ray ziz is you know sourced off of K mid files that di yeah and and the truth is is when you when you look at the human eyeball when you when you get into the you know when you get into the actual physiology contrast is way more important to the way we perceive things than pixel density is and once you're more than a couple feet away from the monitor it gets really really hard to tell the difference in terms of pickle so pixel to pickle I'm all I'm hearing is there's a ripe opportunity for a LASIK and a Kay TV bundle right well it's it's I mean I guess you said an 8k monitor a couple three years ago and the thing that stuck with me wasn't the fact that it how big was it this is a Dell monitor yeah yeah 30 inch Dell you were there ek and kind of not specially simple because window doesn't do scaling well right right but for me what was interesting is having like 35 megapixel images in per pixel on that screen and then because the the pixel density was so high it was like having that retina image experience on a massive screen and that was much more fascinating to me than you know yes you could put 37 windows on this screen and not be able to read the text in any of them if you didn't scale it up but the actual in terms of if you were spending a lot of time in with high-resolution photography and stuff having this unbelievably dense you know and you know it's it was you know it was an ultra sharp so the color accuracy was super super good and stuff but it was it was kind of crazy to be working in per pixel images with these massive massive images and at that point it's really the OS the software and the graphics card that's your limitation because then you're kind of everything's at a stutters pace you're not getting 60 FPS 60 Hertz yeah consistent tough monitor to game on but at that point you would put like a 20 atti into it or now you would put a zooming in at that point about 10 80 TI today like the 28th et I run it at 4k and have the monitor scale right I ca K really being useful in situations where you're interacting with screens at a much closer distance yeah I'm not your TV couch living situation but desktop like desktop or even at that bigger size like interactive whiteboards or like hyper teleconferencing the first time I use saw a K I believe it was a LCD up close sharp had one and they basically had like a Where's Waldo and image or video playing in a K native resolution and you were encouraged to go up to the TV be a foot from it and look around for the details that's not way we interact with TVs but it changes the opportunity for what type of interaction models we have with these you know super high fidelity screens yes can you tell me about the new Alienware laptop because I don't understand how how is it's using PC parts yes how is that possible a really big power supply I mean literally uh so this is not the first time if you're old and I wave my hand furiously at the monitor the camera if you're old enough there were back in the 90s there were people putting desktop motherboards inside of laptops like the battery life on these was literally it would boot up and then the battery run out literally about the time windows started because because these were these were not power sipping processors so what they did again let me point out that my CES coverage was sponsored by Dale yeah you know but we look at that area and pick you one laptop they are essentially have put a small like think of like a a mini ITX scaled motherboard right but it is a custom motherboard not how you assume it's a custom motherboard you know I asked nicely but they wouldn't let me take the screwdriver to I had an eye fix-it box in my bag and I was ready to start tearing that thing down and and and I won't say his name if he looked at me like I was on crack and so the thing takes this desktop Ram desktop graphics card it's desktop GPU it's supposed to be shipping with a twenty eighty it's a desktop CPUs very Ben Heck project just yeah it but Rama consul owns a suitcase type of thing but you how do you you don't upgrade the graphics card because it's a different form factor no there's tell me it's standard graphics cards like a standard desktop GPU I mean like I've got a mini ITX build I'm finishing up an s4 you know in a new s4 mini case and the entire thing right I have a DC to DC power supply HDX power supply which is a 400 watt power supply that's gonna run an 18 X 18 hundred X processor and now I may actually I haven't I haven't done the math yet but I should be able to put a 2060 inside of that and that's me with my staggering lack of engineering skills yeah off-the-shelf parts so do with this area 51 do you actually use the HDMI port I mean you must right because that one 17-inch monitor on it so but you're plugging it in you're playing into a cable inside your laptop you know it's so it's I III again they wouldn't let me they wouldn't let me take apart one was running cuz I don't see I wouldn't you know I would imagine it would slot in or they would have a loose cable they were I don't they yeah as soon as they send me one to test dude you will be the first person I call to tell you how the STM eyes connected supposedly they are telling you off-the-shelf CPUs and GPUs will fit into this how heavy is it I'm guessing nine to 10 pounds yeah that's no MacBook no but then again look at the performance yeah best thing you saw it CES Patrick I was obsessed with that stupid LG roll-up monitor okay I that actually kind you like that it I like this really yeah because you know one of the reasons I like my projector is because when when I show everything down the magically rolls back up to the ceiling and there's a wall full of art and pictures behind okay so that was really interesting so you have all the benefits of that with the benefits of being on the watch during the daytime yeah yeah you know and actually I can watch her any day time now the projectors are bright enough that unless you are in the corner glass ceiling to floor apartment in Miami most projectors most decent projectors now are bright enough to deal with either you but you must put the blinds down I mean it makes a difference doesn't it yeah but not as much it used to be you had to now it's optional if I want the best image quality I pull the blinds down my next projector I probably you know won't have to think too much about whether the blinds are up or down and then very quickly micro LED or LCD thoughts is this is this gonna be a thing is it an OLED killer it's you know so that argument I've sent about before where it's you know Samsung vs. LG it's basically a LED versus what can we do and quantum dot technology is one thing micro LED is one thing I mean some of the some of the I want to say it was high sense essentially sandwiched a 1080p panel behind a 4k panel and used the 1080p panel made basically a 19 by 20 panel picture a 65-inch 1080p panel that has been fused to a 4k panel and the 1080p so they had you know they had somebody do the math for me because I'm slow today but they basically they had instead of having like for like 480 discrete dimming locations so the elderly the 1080p panel yeah were the lighting pixels for the backlight for the 4k display yeah so instead of having yeah so you had two million discrete zones instead of 480 discrete zones and so I guess this is just hanging Vantage of scale and manufacturing and cheaper to get yo led 1080 panel and then they can manufacture the pane yeah but in this case it was actually they were it basically to increase the one of the ways that that LEDs are fighting Oh LEDs you know extraordinary HDR qualities is by bringing local array dimming back and then this was kind of like the the illogical extreme which actually judging from what a friend of mine said because there were engineers from other television manufacturers basically walking into that booth with in you know with testing to to take measurements to see what the performance was actually like because they're so blown away by what what was going on there but still jury's out on micro LCD micro LEDs I mean you know micro LEDs were showing up in Corsairs booth because they were getting more even lighting out of memory we were showing up in television manufacturers there's there's I don't think there's I think having more smaller controllable LEDs as a backlight is going to give you something that is it gives you a higher performance for those and I would assume a lot of that's gonna show up everywhere if it scales well in the you know the cost is there and in OLED is still scaling very well right now and really a question of whether people feel like the burn-in and the life lifespans are actually could be a problem and that's it's early to tell on that but I mean you know Sony's fully committed to o LED LG's obviously built their Brandon o LED Panasonic is reentering apparently you're pre entering the US market with o LED and really the places where the burnin is gonna be problems in public places where people are running like news channels 24/7 and the Cairo runs on the bottom or stuck there the logos believe ESPN up for 24 hours yeah if you play the same video game with the same you know or you're running Windows or desktop OS and you have fixed menu bars and yeah and we haven't seen a lot of LED monitors we I haven't gotten a phone call from anybody or an email that says like hey how do I fix the burnin on my OLEDs yet so I think it's probably early yet well we're gonna do a quick plug because you will you'll presume people can find all the coverage of what you did see us on tech thing yes please and so they can check that out on detecting YouTube channel or check YouTube comm slash tech thing tek tek a th ing let that close the door on CES so let's get to our first formal second top story this week top story this week comes out of the pop culture world where the nominations for this year's Academy Awards were announced and it's always a fun time to go through talk about surprises snub is potentially and have you guys gone through the list and and I don't you saw a bunch of the film so what were your big takeaways from this year's crop of nominations that I haven't seen many food I have only managed to see one Best Picture nominee it's Black Panther it is and that's a big surprising deservedly there but it is a little bit of a surprise because it was not nominated for the Golden Globes for Best Picture in dramatic category so I think it it's up for a lot though like it's a private award it's a stunning film that's a lot and I think it's interesting that it's not up for special effects but infinity war is and that's the only category that infinity Wars actually nominated for and I just think that's interesting I mean that's not able I think I prefer Black Panther thematically - but infinity war is arguably the more important film in the MCU and maybe even the bigger budget I was taking back Black Panther was nominated for Golden Globes for Best Drama but did not win but it is the first superhero film is it the nominated for Best Picture no Superman wasn't oh my gosh no Wow so among Black Panther a long black with black panther you have black Klansmen the Spike Lee film Bohemian Rhapsody which did win for Best dramatic picture and going globes the favorite Green Book which won for Best was the other way around they both want green book and Bohemian Rhapsody romo as stars born and vice and interestingly enough the other milestone is that Romo was nominee for Best Picture and that is a Netflix produced Netflix exclusive movie and I guess it qualified because it was in theaters for a couple weeks oh it had to be in theaters had to be in theaters for a couple weeks that's interesting yeah it's up for a lot of awards too yes this is the the korone film so his first film since grad and I haven't seen yet but it's on Netflix and Netflix had a couple other nominations other big surprise is the ballot of Buster Scruggs which I loved another exclusive Netflix exclusive Coen Brothers film nominated for Best Song didn't get nominated for Best Cinematography which I think it deserved but it was in a bunch of places I believe I believe a screenplay as well and you had a lot of a lot of familiar names in the list you know star was born was nominee for a bunch of picture a bunch of categories including actor actress Bradley Cooper did not get a Best Director nomination for star was born and I think that's an omission things that may be interested interesting to our listeners Best Animated Feature you had Incredibles 2 you also had into the spider-verse yep I love dogs in terms of costume design Ballad of Buster Scruggs black panther there as well the favorite Mary Poppins which didn't get nominated for a bunch of other things Mary Queen of Scots so visual effects ready player one yep infinity war that's right first man Christopher Robin in solo a Star Wars story yeah first man not nominated for a lot of other awards in the major categories which I think was surprising for some people I think not enough people saw in the film that's the one about the arm straight ish oh no and then Best Documentary you had a free solo nominated and we've talked much about that on so entitled so classy that not there no mr. Rogers documentary nominated for Best Best Documentary Feature so a little sad I enjoyed that yeah so how many of the best picture films have you seen I have seen because most of these came out before the baby came I've seen most of them seen have you had their black Klansmen Bohemian Rhapsody star was born not favorite have not that came out after the bit of that's that's up for like 10 and I want to see that yeah the director of the favorite did the lobster which you can find on Netflix yeah so killing of a sacred deer both very weird films and lobsters fascinating yeah I heard the Vice was divisive yes I'm surprised that it's up for Best Picture given what I heard about it yeah I don't really liked it okay good cuz it's got a killer cast yeah and Adam McKay one for the big short hmm so you know I think he's he's kind of he from going to pure comedies he's doing like sent a satirical historical donkey drama you posted a story about theater chains who've run a best you know who run the series of all the films that are nominated for Best Picture after they've been announced in a run-up to the Oscars and they were excluding Romo yes so that not not some but damn near all the big theater chains are boycotting robot and this goes into the story that this year Roma and ballad buster Scruggs these are Netflix's first big cinematic successes and while they've had successes in the emmy there's yeah the Emmys for television and going close for television and streaming services have the Oscars seem to be hallowed ground more for the MPAA and for the for Hollywood in general and so AMC regal and Cinemark which have done a lot of marathons and re releases of films because like you said a lot of people may not have seen these films in the Oscars whether you care or care about who wins or not are a great way to surface films that you came out in the past year that you may not have seen yeah this opportunity seen them well from the theaters perspective Netflix is kind of destroying their business a little bit and you if people have Netflix they probably can watch that movie at home although the filmmakers it's kind of like a spit in the filmmakers faces because a lot of those filmmakers would agree that these films are probably best enjoyed on the big screen not just the big screen your home your living room roll-up or otherwise but the big screen you know and it's to say it's basically to talking via Netflix what's it say the Coen brothers if you're gonna work with Netflix we're not gonna let people see The Ballad buster shrugs on the big screen I will not let people see Romo on the big screen but sucks that just seems a little whiny to me it does there's certainly a trajectory to the to the business models the whole the the theater owners being whiny is kind of tradition for legitimate reasons and I think also some theaters have worked really hard to sort of regain the try man literally well it's money on the table there is a given it there embrace it why isn't the right thing to do the route out and celebrate the theatrical experience and say you may have seen you may have already seen not to mention great filmmaking right but you may have seen either of these films on your TV or on your phone because in some people but it's a chance to rewatch some of the way the filmmakers intended yeah you wanna really see in a different way to celebrate films I it's totally I mean it is totally whiney move especially given you know in terms of overall you know ticket sales I think the the the the the Oscar premiers is probably such a tiny segment of their business it's really petty to refuse to play it but you know they're making their their moral stand but I mean when you look at this like I think AMC's got 8,000 screens Riegel's got you know another like 5500 Cinemark is 4500 I think the next largest theater chain is under 700 screens so literally like this is 20,000 theaters or theater so 20,000 screens in the United States and they're all basically tell I mean you know Netflix just can't win I think it's what it comes down to I don't know I don't know I don't mean in terms of the awards I mean like Netflix like Comcast hates the theater owners hate you know all the other competitors hate them consumers like them consumers like them they're gonna win in the business sense yes they're gonna get all the money they already have a ton of money but this is the only way the existing industry can can not give them that can hold back the one thing they want it's ironic though because if they did let them show the film the theaters people would come and pay the $15 to see it in the theater and buy the popcorn if there's a 40 if they're making those people go home and pay the one month subscription fee which cost the same as a movie ticket then they're gonna discover how much more they can get for their money on Netflix instead of the movie theater and no popcorn is sold you know their argument AMC's argument is that the film was never licensed they didn't go through the proper channels because you know there's a whole behind-the-scenes negotiations that take place for what movies can here you know it's not just if you release a film as a studio you have the right to play in a theater it's all business my deals are made business it's all business and speaking of business and Netflix and Hollywood Netflix is now started the process of applying to be part of the MPAA the Motion Picture Association of America that logo that you see from trailers so I'm alone we might see that in front of Netflix will they adopt the rating system right the braiding system is such a joke but let's not go down there they might have to if they want that kind of legitimacy it's a lobbying group so right you know it's it's to have their interests represented along with Hollywood's in in Washington and it's another step to the perception that they are a legitimate film production studio yeah along with your warner brothers and your even reversals even though you know revenue wise i mean it's also money there's a slot opening up right with 20th Century Fox being bought by Disney I don't think this it was Olo fixstick a-- it's Justice League say I only have so many shifts at the round table yeah yeah it's a shape of a giant film reel yeah right and Netflix is like we don't you don't film anymore how about a memory card Netflix to stoke more fire to the flames has publicly said they don't even see their competitors aren't aren't the big studios their big rival is not even HBO your Amazon Prime mm-hmm is it is it destined no it's not even YouTube okay no it's for tonight Netflix is biggest they had their biggest they see their biggest threat yeah in for eyeballs in your time and your kids time the next generations time generation Z whatever it posts Maloney Oh Millennials yeah it's fortnight about time they saw I mean didn't they see this at Missile Command I mean but I mean but I mean that was also but this was this was this is a conversation that people at cable companies were having 20 years ago they're likely I don't know just a competition at video games and and you know and and kids doing drugs in the woods in you know it's it's it's I think this is disingenuous like they're basically well you laugh right but it's you know that was one of the things somebody said in the in a conversation with a bunch of executives they shouldn't have but the you know in drinking and fornicating but when you when you look at when you look at like Netflix saying this right now I think they're just trying to draw attention away from the fact that man it's real close to that new Disney / Marvel channel and all these other Studios are starting their channels and movies anywhere is out there and making it easy to to move paid movies away from the subscription model and oh my goodness you know I could cry like I love The Criterion Collection The Criterion Collection has announced that they're starting their own streaming channel with a monthly fee so one of the big things that the thing that made you know Netflix so successful so fast in so many ways was you know a deal for the online distribution rights from stars and having all of these movies that was that were on the Starz catalogue and then when that deal ended you know it was everybody bought on the hammer to beat on Netflix and I understand why they did that because Netflix got those those those online reproduction rights from their stars deal for basically nothing compared to what other people were paying and more power to them for finding that deal and making it happen but now we're looking at this total diaspora where every or or maybe you know return emigration where all of this the students like Disney's like yeah we can do this we bought the MLB technology we have amazing streaming technology we can bring all of our titles into our house and then gentle parent you can pay fifteen to four thousand dollars to us a month for the right to stream your children's favorite movie over and over again and they can come one step closer to them every movie theaters and every record company's dream which is making you pay every time you watch a movie or see or listen to a song and yeah I'm exaggerating but literally I've been in rooms with people there where they literally been like you know we'd really prefer not to ever distribute on physical media or lose the rights again because that's the dream right like the the business people were so they were again they're so angry at the fact that people got to buy something at once and then watch and use it for indefinitely and sell it and and and and so but even even the without the selling it part like when do we get to a point where you know you're paying I guess we are getting there for subscriptions for video games right as opposed to buying the one game once that for 60 bucks and then and in playing the entire game you have all forms of microtransactions the absque rip shion's and DLCs and season passes because it's all about that long tail so it's it's it's the revenue per user it's the ARPU yeah I mean the the the the you know the the first sale doctrine I mean that was fought to the Supreme Court back in 2013 or that that finally was decided in the Supreme Court because basically somebody's like you we sold it to you you can't resell it to someone else someone needs to buy it fresh again from us and I get you know that's that would have been a if they'd won that court case life would have gotten a lot more expensive for everybody but it's it's it's always interesting to see the attempts to figure out new and exciting ways to get people to buy something again video game revenues have trumped movie revenues since long before microtransactions were you know the way that they were making their money oh dude now that they're doing it that way I think it's just skyrocketing it must be I'm curious if Bandersnatch was a response to their concern about video games and fortnight being your where the kids are spending their time I wouldn't be surprised I mean it is a way it's interactivity and it's also to stop piracy because you can't it's combat piracy a little bit because you can't pirate that type of interactive media the same way that's interesting that's a really interesting point you weren't gonna download Bandersnatch and then recompile you know leave it up to leave it up to pirates give it time Yeah right though open source their own choose-your-own-adventure software that you just dropped the clips in and get the same thing if that happened that'd be pretty amazing yeah but we've talked about the elasticity of demand for for this stuff cuz netflix increase their prices we go and what is that upper limit you know we all have our different upper limits but at one point at some point you're paying for however many a la carte services and they're all increasing their prices slowly it's gonna cost more than your old cable or satellite subscription did I say for me but as Comcast was so out of control when I gave up on Comcast and and DirecTV was so similarly out of control that I've still I can still basically double my media subscriptions at this and still be 1/3 less or half less what I was paying yeah but you can only say that for so long and then when it gets to a point where everyone has increased their prices there's no one person to blame yeah you have to just say oh I at this point we'll stop subscribing or not to one or more of these services it's not you can't just point the finger at Comcast DIRECTV right it's everyone's to blame because everyone needs to increase the revenue slowly over time well yeah and it's gonna be messy I think it's gonna be painful and messy for a lot of the studios and a lot of the television networks to say trying to figure out like we're gonna make you pay nine dollars a month to watch this but what is your upper limit Patrick I don't know individual it depends on the household you know a Bachelor just out of college is not the same thing as a family of four all paying the exact same thing yeah doing different amounts of consuming mm-hm right and then Hulu just lowered some of the surprises well they lowered and raised they decrease the price of their most popular subscription which is the watch with ads on mobile devices from $8 to $6 and then if you use their live TV service they bump that up by five dollars you know I gave up on Hulu so many years ago so the idea of paying to have ads just was so delete expletive you know irritating I just I I want to embrace Hulu but it's just such a pain in the ass to watch anything on it compared to Netflix or Amazon Prime or Showtime or or or or or or or what a thing they tried to sell right because Hulu was with ads quote-unquote free to watch on computer screens and then they drew the line at mobile screens the way to grow their business as the inflection point happened and everyone way more people are watching on their phones rather than on a desktop that's the thing they I don't have to charge what are you saying Hulu didn't chart didn't support mobile screen 20 mean no I'm saying that they made it more difficult to watch on mobile screens they turn the ad business everybody started watching on mobile screens they they figured out a way to make watching on mobile screens suck more on Hulu yeah and cost more and cost period I just subscribe to youtube TV yeah incur shortest footsteps because I have my parents living with us for a month and they can't survive without cable it turns out I had no I had this addiction but they do we haven't had kids for four ten years they've been watching those live sports but it's been it's been there it's got it on tap they're enjoying it UTPB just expanded to now I think believe they cover 98 percent of the US market so whoa it is the price has gone up since international introductory offering and at that price it was great they have partnered with little few more networks now so I think it's better selection I still think it's worth it I think they're they as opposed to what Hulu's done with making watching on apps the more difficult YouTube TV start off with a great yeah well I'm late you can skip commercials but I wasn't expecting it so the six accounts per household like yeah personal PVR is for everybody the interesting thing is that you can record things and it's I guess it's all with the licensing if you ought to add things to library because the TV are you have to either pre record it by adding it to library ahead of time or record in the moment and if you record like halfway through start recording halfway through a show you only get that second half of the show yeah and then you can't see must be a right thing it totally it's a business it's the money thing yeah we're knee-deep in pop culture news already so let's just continue with more pop culture news with where we got Oh big news kind of sad news end of an era we had a departure from Pixar director of Toy Story 3 Lee Unkrich the end Coco mm-hmm announced that after 25 years I Pixar he's leaving to do something else he goes back he was an editor on Toy Story I mean way back and then have a co-director on the next two films right me wasn't a bug's life in Toy Story 2 he was co-director on films very early on and then finally he directed Toy Story 3 and Coco was amazing Coco is amazing I think it's as easily his best work I mean I love that film I was the only person I know who didn't like Toy Story 3 why did you not like Toy Story 3 because I felt like it was for the demographic that grew up with Toy Story rather than the new demographic that was that young it's interesting to me because because my children enjoyed the hell out of it it's still probably Tristan's favorite Toy Story movie but I totally get where you're coming you know it's just it was a little darker I mean this comes on the wave of some interesting shake ups in the animation industry of course we have a the big kind of this controversial news will say that John Lasseter was hired by skydance to head up their animation department now what if sky Nance made sky dance the most alive action but they produced basically all the Star Trek films the recent ones they did the Terminator film they did a bunch like I'm gonna look this up on the on the wiki sky dance media Mission Impossible all the Mission Possible World War Z but animated and no no they don't exactly so this is new tomorrow Department Oh sky dance animation thank God and they have an inner they did a VR game they did that mech game Archangel I mean it's like hiring Walt Disney so the question is whether they are going to whether Lee Unkrich left because he was poached potentially was hear news he's saying he's leaving to to spend time with his family and everybody says I'm leaving to spend time with my friend he expressly said he wasn't gonna work for another studio yeah and that was interesting to me and then he's looking at back-burnered project it's also it's like well then let's hope he just builds up his shining fansite because we know he's a huge fan of The Shining obsessed with The Shining and I want the creative energies I put in Pixar he's a collector right yeah he's a replica prop builder he's yeah oh wow he's also 51 well deserving of a retirement I think that's a wonderful decision I'm surprised he hasn't done it sooner well you know he had cocoa notes a couple years now I know but it's I mean I'm with you it's like you know how many people have have just last year well yeah but I and there's been some cases where directors have really have continued early some amazing movies in their 60s 70s or 80s but I can also see like man 25 years like the craziest 25 years at Pixar yeah the absolute craziest 25 years he's being he's built this extraordinary movie you know made nearly a billion dollars worldwide I can totally be like yeah mic drop Toy Story 3 made over a billion dollars yeah but I definitely get a Coco oh yeah right Toy Story 3 he was certainly part of torture through the beginning but but you know I think Coco is being his life you know in terms of like his alt or his vision yeah it is this incredible story yes you know and you know the whole this just the whole thing from beginning to end it's just so epic and I can totally see him being like okay I'm good I'll you know what I'm inspired to you know when I have something that moves me at this level or that will move the audience at this level you know I'm sure he'll basically walk into a room and somebody will cut him a check to go make a movie yeah but none of the other no other director has done that Victor walked away yeah well everybody know it's not because I seem to remember a guy who did a bunch of movies with a lot of violence and a lot of visual references you know not a Pixar but I mean I'm thinking of Quentin Tarantino there's there's been directors who have walked away or there's been directors who've been forced now Quentin's directing the next Star Trek I understand that but but Quentin basically like was like I'm done and then like 18 20 minutes later was like I'm back I see you know Martin yeah yeah you know Soderbergh like walked away and came back you know Scorsese didn't walk away he was shoved out the door with a bunch of directors of his generation but then he came back and did some of the most extraordinary work I think I if you take him at his word he's a family man he wants to spend time with his family and he can I think that people with that creative can't not be creative and will need an outlet fro their creative energies Oh can't stop it bring you the shining land Jana you can experience this shining on a personal level heretofore never been experienced even for the actors themselves and they're all family and no screenwriting make the I saw The Shining when I was like eight way too young it affected me deeply I understand idolan I showed my eleven-year-old The Sixth Sense recently and we didn't make it all the way through I forgot how therapy is battery home it's scary it is really scary yeah yeah so okay let's move on to some movie trailers talk about three trailers that came out this week one John wick the big one John wick three Pelham I am embarrassingly excited about this movie okay really yeah did you and I never saw the second one no cuz I I mean on the I don't know don't get me wrong everything that needed to be said was said in the first movie it's okay I grew up there's there's there's one place where suspension of disbelief still works for me occasionally in video games I can't like you know I can read a story but I measure the literature I make television I'm always thinking about the shot and the choices of the people that are ya know dating and stuff movies for some reason I turn into a gaping hole of joy at being like in the moment with the movie it just happens it's really kind of cool it's only plays I can shut down and it's only place I can become fully and for whatever reason like all the stuff I'm thinking about when I watch television or a YouTube video or the video online I don't do that level of analysis if it's a good story when I'm watching a movie at least not the first time so the John wick movies for me are complete like they are you know I mean like they're not even a wah-wah pretzel like they're not even a Philly pretzel in terms of nutrition I get it like these are these are you know this is this is like me with a bottle of Cairo syrup being like waiting for the candy company that you turn this into something that tastes like something is not worthy for me except there I love I like the whole the gun the food thing the stupid underground killer culture everything goes along the movies in just watching you know the actors like I'll watch Ian McShane read a phone book dude like can do Reeves like this is the kind of stuff we're kin of Reeves becomes absolutely magnificent to watch it I like the choreography and I like the cinematography and you're right heat a lot of the characters are really good characters but I just I the gunplay does not excite me if this was a kung fu version of the same film I would be so much more on board but he hits people and he whips them around in jujitsu moves while shooting them no no it was it was the gun scenes and the matrix that I found most boring yeah I can understand that but it's also I'll be honest with you like you know pure action like I can't like I'm I'm horrified because of my own i Bumblebee may actually be worth watching I literally have not bothered or the Transformers movie because it's like oh god another Michael Bay thing Michael Bay you know Michael Bay the man who took like two of the best actors of their generation in a really really good backstory and turned it into like one of the most boring heist movies ever made I mean like no sorry if there's a lot of huge Michael Bay fans out there but like yeah I get I get it one level like endless gun battles are stupid and boring but with the the wick stuff it actually works for me yeah I don't know why I would love to see the John wick with no guns there's room for both I'm the same once John week-three ends the coreography rate and then bring back the kind of martial arts movies we were that would be amazing John wick for bad with a pencil yes and I don't mean to take anything away I've seen the videos about how well he trains for these yes it's intense yeah props but more dogs attack dogs in this one yeah that looks in ten dogs get into it yeah like dog food I'm not sure I want to be that stuntman yeah you probably don't I love dogs by the way thumbs up thumbs down oh I haven't seen it yet but and I love Lysander's on Netflix I know I know I have no excuse I will see it so we mentioned last week that surprise announcement Jason Reitman is directing a Ghost Buster sequel let's just call Ghostbusters 3 at this point right it's it's gonna be good the follow-up to the original two films and set in that universe and there is moments after our podcast a teaser trailer yeah it almost feels like a fan-made trailer it does like because it uses music from the original film uses sound effects from the original films and it's it's shot and the all of the special effects they just feel like they were made in 1985 or whenever the film was I mean that they feel like they're drawn it has the ecto-1 but just enough of it to get you excited but all of the effects of the sparks coming from the the plasma what does it call the totally could be a Spielberg proton pack for me it feels like they care it feels like they're true they're true to the original special effects but they always have spoken it doesn't feel like this was something that they cobbled together because the the surprised ian was I think all that little surprise News last week was very carefully planned by marketing by Sony marketing and because this film's shooting and coming out next year right so this isn't like yeah you know there's rumors that's happening it's like it's happening and that's announced this in a way that will shop people and then have this prepared callback trailer release very soon after not a properties your call it's a true teaser no not a teaser in the we've come to see teasers eyes yes there's any trailers this is a true teaser yeah and I really dug it I am officially teased there you go all right I'm super excited also for a superhero film in the DC Universe coming out this year we saw a new TV trailer for it it's Shazam that doesn't come out yet hey you know hasn't come out yet went to come out I believe in March Wow against Captain Marvel that's a tough launch Captain Marvel is like March 7th April sorry and the funny thing is that Shazam is also Captain Marvel now like that he's confident Shazam make my brand name it's is his comic is Captain Marvel Shazam is actually the name not of the hero Shazam is the name of the wizard and also the magic work he says and when his end game come out and game comes out in May okay so we got a little bit of a break yes all right I thought Shazam looked fun man I'm down with this film i exactly vied to take a your kid to and then and there's a lot of wish fulfillment in this film there's a lot of childlike wonder the trailer actually almost riffs a little bit on some of the action scenes that we saw a Man of Steel which of course we all know it took itself very seriously and so the idea is maybe this will be that kind of same superheros level superpower but you know it's it's big it is a big plus Superman handy Marshall there you go and that's not like they invented this concept for this film it's a established you know character or beloved character in the DC Comics Pantheon and some very looking forward to I'm really curious see what sacrum Levi brings to it cuz he was not the first person that had in mind when they were casting list but how does one is Shazam killable what is his weakness well you know Sam's is Superman's weakness business powers are derived from magic and SERP not only has two weaknesses kryptonite and magic and so Suzanne's weakness is that he has a minor file now and so if he is not in full Shazam MO by saying the word Shazam yes he's in child mode he can be subdued so but as Shazam Shazam he is as powerful as Superman so basically to kill Shazam kill child but he's not able to kryptonite no because he was born here on the unearth yes yeah he be hunched right you there there are other superpower beings that you know you know a fistfight you have to right this is starting to feel like the conversation I had with my kids recently trying to explain the Marvel reboots Oh Oh have you listened to our podcast there is a we have a segment if I'm explaining for Jeremy no but like I was I still like him I never read a lot of superhero comics growing up and I came in the comics by way of indie comics like Love and Rockets them working my way back to other stuff but it's you know trying to explain like how there can be multiple like you know into the spider-verse for the board like but we just enjoy it someone on the YouTube comments suggested Latin this after last week's show that I knew nothing about pop culture suggested yeah visited well jokes on them from listening to food to 400 episodes I have now deduce Jeremy knows nothing about pop culture I say to them joke's on you because I know nothing about tech either well one final trailer do you want to talk about bright burn have you seen this bright burn no okay I'm gonna talk about the trailer well you guys should watch it okay and you don't need the audio to watch it but it is produced by James Gunn's so it's already noteworthy that way and that it's his first film project that he's been attached to and it's coming out post him being let go by Disney slash Marvel being directed by one of his collaborators David Europe's key who I believe was who was an editor I want to say on guardians of the galaxy no not in editor what was he was a producer he had done some work with James Gunn related to guardians of galaxy but this is a new genre of superhero and the trailer what does that mean well you'll see it's Elizabeth Banks it opens up a family in it looks like Kansas and Middle America very Superman once they they're desperate for a child and as luck would befall them a crass ship one day falls onto their property and they find a baby and this baby is quite extraordinary and the trailer no bailing like Superman this trailer completely riffs off of Man of Steel's trailer from the visionary director James Gunn of guardians of the galaxy to go even the same type of title cards and credits this is directed by James Gunn no it's Otis Pike okay he isn't I mean who knows how involved in did he start this production after he was let go this is an impressively long trailer I think so and I can't wait we're gonna have a real moment here you're excited I'm excited for your reaction to our oh I'm excited for this as well because I was I watched cold and if we the the idea was very tantalizing okay she's walking through the laundry she's walking through the laundry there's something in a shed something under the floorboards dad is upset people people start getting upset oh no I show me the boys face oh god oh god damn it this is not when you take your kids to it turns out to be a horror film yeah I'll say it is what would happen if the Superman the baby from another world with the Superman powers was evil evil no The Omen sign of the times people love evil people he's a superhero horror film oh wow this is getting a little shine in here it's it's yeah there's Johnny it's terrifying oh my god oh my god game over man can't fight that baby no I that's how how does that movie end yeah right like this child it could not end well no when you have a crazy serial killer also a child would supervise feels dirty and sad at the end when they leave the theater Jesse Chronicle know that film I recommend that okay um it's uh oh written by max Landis directed by the guy who then went on to direct your Fantastic Four film but it's a found footage film about three kids and Michael B Johnson's in it it was a one of his first big movie roles before the the the Barton movie and black panther of course but it's about three kids in Middle America who gets superpowers Chronicle Chronicle okay highly recommended very cool but has it has a similar tone alright this I think it does it for pop culture news before we move on to our next segment on what you know that the this episode that's of this only test is also made possible by Lutron kassetas smart lighting system casada by Lutron takes your smart speaker alexa google home apple home pod and makes it more powerful by letting you control your lights with your voice casada is the most connected smart lighting brand and it works with more smart home devices than any other smart 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note nope nope little shifty reopen tab rope in your clothes tab listen done control shift T it's it's it's very useful it's won my favor a lot less known it's an undo that shortcuts is to kill all undo yeah yeah yeah so assuming for people watch this on youtube you're you watch your content on youtube one of the channels that you might have subscribed to was machinima we're big fans of machinima they were one of their massive youtube channel on the first ones who did lots of game coverage Let's Plays you know kind of really exploded it used to be about machinima used to be about yeah the word machinimas about animation it's about making like storytelling within game engines yes using things like what was the first machinima you saw red vs. blue maybe I mean that was a big one I don't know if it was the first I saw some like quake one mission like one that was pretty funny wait two was my first machinima and that was when you would download maps download assets texture models like real-time and and you could render it and play it on your own like a new demo that you played a demo and you'd have voice wav files well voice acting oh yeah that's neat there's a whole like sitcom I downloaded and played and quake and it was all it wasn't it didn't look like photorealistic of course it was also quake textures right so it's still like being a quake guy walking around yeah but no copper no compression artifacts but it would be at running at a glorious resolution of 1024 by 768 whatever you got and now with all those the future is like this is how we're gonna watch animation yeah going for it's how animation is gonna happen I wanted to make a tool like after watching machinimas like there should be a game engine that's made for making movies like in real time well quick three what I believe Anna King did from its software was create machine tools with quake and have made a short film yeah using that's right quake three yeah and back with the quake to stuff the way they would film this stuff was all like ghost cameras you would have like another player in a multiplayer match essentially yeah like standoff and they would call in and get people from the community to be extras right like we all jump in eight players and give people roles and you would act but the problem was the camera was always limited to whatever this game whatever served the game yes of course yes the field of view and fov and yeah and like your camera movements would be WASD and then you wouldn't get fancy camera moves or wasn't vr filming right but machinima to some extent is the idea of rendering real-time assets is what is happening with VR filmmaking right like oh yeah no I've told will you've now made that tool yeah yeah yeah you ain't you animate in real time and you bring digital characters there have that previously would have been hand frame animated and and still to this day it place the Pixar our hand frame by frame by frame hand animated you can do that with positional capture with performance capture essentially the new keyframe yes so but machine with the website yes different different born out of that I started for that tangent we went through a nostalgic deep dive it's important it's the word yes words not the site the YouTube channel when dark is it still dark it is still don't you went private well that all their partners and all their videos basically are gone which is that's kind of a big deal I mean we think of these institutions on the Internet you know the web sites and big YouTube channels and and and just big brands that we have grown to love and the people we follow as because it's on the internet because we have infinite media and infinite storage these it will be a repository for all content forever that's just not the case it's especially tricky with YouTube because that content is so hard to backup it's expensive yeah yeah and you just trust these companies like Google and YouTube to to hold on to it yeah it's not still holding on to it it's still sitting there right it's not the Google YouTube it's whoever owns the content now chooses so you like you had art you have archive.org for traditional websites and a lot of images are backed up here as well as the HTML but erase a lot because everything squeeze a lot of the it's been interesting because people have told me that a lot of what content or archive.org backs up like we don't have access to the vast majority of what it's scraped and you know the experience having spent a bunch of time especially in some stories I worked on like a year ago where I was tracing back what companies said about their products at different times yeah it's interesting to see what does kind of get or how deep it goes on certain websites and stuff but when you look at when you look at you know content creators who've maybe even running four or five six seven years who've been doing I've gone from maybe a video a week to three to five videos a week if they have an archive their stuff or if they thought of YouTube as their archive if they went with an MVNO and the MVNO basically it's in what's that you know I can never remember the initials basically it means like signing with somebody who they're gonna they're gonna grow your channel and provide you better advertising rates than YouTube does in exchange for it's it's basically the record company models edited to youtube that's the kindest thing I can say about it in public but an MBA knows had worked for some people but mostly it was really hysterical when when tech thing first started to grow we had a lot of emails from like you know hey but big then your channel we could really help you grow and give you the advertising dollars you need them like dude that's actually less than what YouTube pays prove you know thousand views and why would I sign over my ownership rights to you know some guy that you know found me on the Internet but yeah it's like they're their whole response in this was you know we are focused on creating new content with the mission of a team which will be distributed on new channels to be announced in the coming months in the meantime the machinima network of creator channels continues to showcase the talents of the network as part of this focus on new content we have pivoted from distributing content on a handful of legacy operated channels period them like wow they're basically like that's that's the that's the like they could have thrown a couple more sentences in there to observe you skate it more but it's basically like yeah we ain't doing YouTube no more thanks bye and also you know maybe the subjects and what I read is that they're they don't want to deal with the the benefits or liabilities of library of content on platforms that weren't regulated and having a jerk right Content ID and sponsorships and all that stuff has changed kind of the landscape of what it means to be a business on YouTube and you know there's a lot of liability when a company picks up um in a catalogue of content I mean having talked to a bunch of YouTube creators and I was i I want to say VidCon last year it was amazing to hear like the stories of what happened to a lot of these larger networks you know to their their ad revenue after PewDiePie's you know him pin PewDiePie makes inappropriate humor and YouTube loses 50% of its revenue in the ad pocalypse and the challenges that a lot of these companies had like we went through a server this this this company that basically aggregates or this channel that aggregated video kinda like America's Funniest Home Videos except for YouTube and they would like purchase the rights and host the video and they had like some crazy number like 30% of their content was flagged basically overnight and one of it was you know they're like okay we have a pigeon behaving weirdly before jumping off the side of this building like why was this flagged and then it working out that like you know you know the pigeon jumping sounded like person jumping and person jumping would be something that you know would be suicide which advertisers wouldn't want to be there and they literally had to like go through in some cases and individually kind of like no no no this this is what it's actually about and then you know their YouTube contact being like well perhaps you could change the title to this and like it's just it's you know they have all these creators all these contracts all this content a wildly fluctuating you know it's got to be difficult to predict the value of this depending like you know are any of these old videos still being watched you know are they making any money off of them do they want to deal with the trouble but it's also really brutal because yeah people's entires catalogs just like vaporized like geo cities all over again not that's a pretty apt analogy and then it reminds us of how ephemeral all of us this stuff is and like we think of me as being permanent and being documents of record and it's never been the case old TV shows on old news footage like you know there there is no microfiche for for video well there is it's like a DVD or a blu-ray but online video it's like someone's I'm saving it yeah and saving it in a place where if the hard drive crashes you don't lose all of it how about three to one that's a big undertaking yeah yeah everything will come to it at some point test it will come to an end at some point I'm just saying right like that's a scary thought I think this like that a teaser no I'm just saying like one last story before we go the mortality of like these things like you know but they're just businesses and and you have they're real people behind it and you know those the memories will still be there but like nothing lasts forever that's right but I think for a lot of people except Nintendo network their plan and the ask box yeah well hundred year plan and like several you know enough so enough billions in the bank for a Nintendo they can basically they could have made no money off of the switch and they'd still only have 46 years to figure out how to make more money before they ran out of money like that was like one of the hysterical business analysis ever but it's also for a lot of people YouTube generation this may be the first time a lot of their favorite content disappeared and that's something that's a very kind of novel idea if you've if you're used to a video being posted at this scale on YouTube sure yeah on a place where it was easily accessible yeah it's not like you only have to wait three years until the show goes into reruns on some UHF channel you never watch except to watch the rerun of your favorite show that was on CBS NBC or ABC five years ago kind of like what we know the day's Simpsons will be canceled what if Simpsons was canceled feel like the feeling it would be if seasons canceled and the entire catalog Simpsons is no longer accessible who that's how that's that's kind of feels different than that you can get the entire Simpsons collection on DVD right UK this is even worse because it yeah it's abruptly on imagine if magically all of the copies of the DVDs and blueberries disappeared yeah that's yeah that's a serious kind of magic that's a no snaps his fingers that scary movie does made me watch dusted so do you have an iPhone not currently although I'm I'm rapidly as much as I don't want to pay the price of a new iPhone which is why I have a moto g6 right now I there's some profoundly frustrating things about Android that is actually has been thinking about just breaking down and buying a new iPhone well if you had an iPhone to be able to take part in Apple's new contest anybody who has an iPhone can take a picture I feel so excluded posted to Twitter soo tag it with shot on iPhone and your picture might end up on a billboard I see so many problems with this first of all good for them as a marketing exercise brilliant plan because I shot an iPhone ad campaign it's one of the most successful things they've done in years well yeah and in in terms of advertising and promoting their product right they took one of the killer functionalities of their phone your messaging being one photography being the other lady they have hundreds if not thousands people working on just the camera systems on their phones they know this is one of the reasons people upgrade and buy phones any smartphone for that matter they built an ad campaign about what people do and basically Aug cede their way into a into the next did they though cuz the first time who knew who knows where those photos came from they certainly I'm sure that they came from iPhone users but they weren't solicited they were not they found one flicker in many cases okay so how dated they were yeah people like remember Flickr yeah they would be credited on the yeah and you would find like Flickr lame yeah and they would be creative comments license or they'd reach out either way I've never heard of anyone who had their photo use being compensated and that is exactly the case here because only Fame they they're they're promising exposure for ten and amateur photographers or professional photographers and they have a panel of judges they're making this big contest campaign out of it I don't know that's a legal reason why they can't give sunny away a career I think it's just wrong for them not to offer any other incentive and just rely on quote unquote really knows your own good will how many how many shareware projects got sucked into like I'm thinking back going back to like OS six sake how many software how many shareware projects don't make a right okay yeah I'm not saying it's right but it's not like it's novel behavior from Apple so it the contest lasts from January 22nd two days ago three days ago has of this of this podcast to February 7th so it's a very short couple weeks I mean sure it's because the number of photos that would be submitted a lot is lot so one posted I was doing this aku's who's sitting through oh who are the who's if ting who's finding the photos unpaid intern right and they because there's a panel of judges including like awesome an and you can also each other you can also email the photo to the you know shot on iPhone and Apple comm it has to be named a certain way and it's your name in the title I hope that and you're an iPhone mock machine learning their buddies machine learning to pick out that I suppose also the other thing I have a problem just say from a technical aspect is this Twitter compress you're already non DSLR photo they won't use that one oh they'll reach out of course it will get your source and it just dig guess what that ones compressed as well because icon compresses your photo no no I think that they would probably reach out to you and get the good one it makes you shine the conch if you email it it has to be the raw one off your phone they don't need to reach out because by even using the hashtag and submitting you've followed their terms of usage for the contest and given up your right to commercially exploit your own photo for a year one year oh yeah and you give them a year is quite reasonable I would quite so you know I'm given the number of things where you give up your right in perpetuity or you give up oh no they gave up their rights in perpetuity I mean for Apple to use this photo marketing it's just that you give up the additional right for a year to sell your photo anywhere else yeah that's I mean I honestly don't the brights the right steals these days are usually so bad for creators that actually sounds only giving the the the revenue rights up for a year seems kind of reasonable by comparison I using Apple could at least throw in like MacBook Pros you know they only got like 150 billion dollars for the way it doesn't matter man it does if the idea and I know there's an argument for said you think creators should be compensated for their work you you really should not drink coffee well you're actually that's a very idealistic moment and I'm I'm fee I'm feeling nasty cynical right now but it's like when one of the crazy things is like just the the it's brutal and it's it's it's kind of pathetic so I'm sitting here like oh they're only taking away your right to make a living off of that photo for a year is so reasonable by the standards of these things most of these things are like you know again they're like sixties records contracts where it's like you know we're gonna make you famous kid but you're gonna always six albums 90% of the revenue and 50% of your tour merch you know it's like I agree everybody people should be paid for their work but like look Apple in this ramen argument here that is that oh if you if you offer up money then professionals will want to do this and it'll take away from the amateur aspect of the whole campaigns amateur photographers know you're you're still there's so many people who are and the line between amateur and pro is is so thin now and if the idea is to celebrate the work of people who are using your products and love your products in an interesting way you know give back a little bit even just a gear right like you don't use Lightroom use whatever aperture but give a MacBook Pro so they can become professional photographers this I mean this is also a classic Apple moment where it's you know they're so big and so important and they are so you know self actualized in their own perverse way that why would anybody want anything other than our blessing to know that their photography is considered good enough for you guys you guys are being too hard on this they look Apple does not care about ten MacBook Pros they don't even know they that's a truth they wouldn't notice that inventory they wouldn't even know what a proper rule award would be like it should be not an excuse ten thousand dollars that means nothing to us they do know exactly what the word should be because they paid their marketing companies and their advertising pay license fees when they license photos and when they pay summit ographers to make what I'm saying is them it's not a money issue apples not being frugal here and cheap they just they'd haven't done it for whatever reason and I don't think that it's necessarily bad if I would submitted a photo to Twitter shot on iPhone and it ended up on a billboard I'd be proud as heck I'd show the thing off to all my friends and that would be the end of it you know it's not a huge deal they don't if they're not gonna do that they're not going to do it and this doesn't change anything at my problem it's a missed opportunity is that they allow you to edit the photos you can edit all you want in Lightroom in Photoshop wherever you may can't track another thing with the Twitter thing is how they know this is their exif data on the compressed Twitter image that let you know it was shot from iPhone I would love for the winner for this to be shot on Android and Apple not realizing it you could love that that would be the the equivalent of the tweeted on iPhone for photos just edit the metadata yes like recently my bag for my a6000 well you can go on Twitter search for the hashtag there's already some pretty damn good photos out there nothing I can compete with that's and that's the real success of this campaign it's to spread that hashtag and I will be doing that because it's a good point why I want to check out what other people have photographed on the iPhone get some inspiration it always blows me away what some people managed to pull off with any camera anywhere anytime yeah yeah okay let's uh quickly go through the rest of the news cuz we were running a little bit low on time Microsoft couple bits of news from there yeah speaking of phones and they've kind of given up on Windows Phone and there are others telling users hey switches iOS there's a support Detroit this is a sport document that says switch to iOS or Android that's the solution to your problem yeah if you have a window a Windows Phone they will it will stop receiving security updates this year December 10th you know they get props for having supported the platform for as long as they have ok how diligent do you think that security personnel is gonna be between now and December 10th pretty diligent if they ever want to continue working for any of the departments that are growing Microsoft so the other news is that Microsoft also is selling a cheaper version of their stylist now it's targeted for the surface go which was the cheap version of the surface in different classrooms last year kind of a competitor to what Apple did with their education version of the iPad and discount pricing layer and also that Logitech's Apple pencil alternative except this one is the Microsoft classroom prayer pen still first-party and you can only buy it in packs of 20 sold exclusively to education institutions forty bucks per and for a pack of 20 so $800 for a pack of 20 and the cool thing though is that it will work with other surface devices so really it is Microsoft wanting to get surface into the classroom into colleges and and I think you know if you if you walk around there's I see a lot more surface laptops your pros I'm a big fan of using one right now then then I did previously in San Francisco San Francisco okay because they're still compared to entry-level ultrabooks Angelo ultra the East Bay the story changes a lot you know the base iPad pro is like $1000 iPad pro yeah I was surprised by that I thought was like in the hundreds cuz I have not been paying attention no they raised a price because they made a more premium actually an Amazon just had a sale on those jars off but whatever the bravest news story this week the bravest thing done meizu yeah Chinese smartphone company uh-huh has now made a smartphone with no ports whatsoever so brave so brave it's a Ville talk so not only does it not have a headphone jack mm-hmm it doesn't even have a charging port mm-hmm or a speaker grill or a SIM card slot no speaker speaker bluetooth why not it's so oh my gosh okay all it has is a pinhole for a microphone and a pinhole for a hard reset I do love the fact that they have to leave the pen do they couldn't figure out a way to get rid of yeah I know for the hardware yeah you charge it wirelessly bluetooth 5.0 for wires and wirelessly USB connectivity and the screen will actually act as a speaker Allah Sony's televisions where the glass radiates it does yeah I don't think it's TV so you can use it and set right but there is no no holes so brave now no wait a minute is it a like a phone speaker or is it like a speakerphone speaker it is it is a it is it is the speaker for the phone yeah is actually the screen that you hold to your ear or that you have a speakerphone I haven't used it yet myself but it sounds like you hold the to your ear okay but basically or you know instead of having speaker holes it the actual screen vibrates to move airwaves towards your balls fascinating I think it's a little bit extreme but they're going this far end as a demonstration of technology and it will be I guess for sales call to zero and wireless usb as fast as USB 3 yeah I think this is as far-fetched as the sound and a silly sound I would not be surprised if this is a path the Apple takes not maybe not all the way to pull more than one a Miss Bucharest Bucharest but like no charge port yeah he's probably next thing to go headphone jack then charge brokers once they figure out that the air pad situation whatever it's called the charge pad situation wireless charging at scale it's for them it probably makes no sense is that money on the table though because they get royalties every time somebody includes a license oh yeah lighting adapter yeah though they'll get royalties off the charging devices or maybe they wasn't licensed the charging device is out for a while and they'll make more money on the charging devices than they do on the cables I have faith and in Apple's ability to make money yeah I mean although I but that said you know they they're their sales are down they've wall street kind of kicked him in the teeth recently I mean part of its crazy for me about this this phone is like the companies the companies like launching in retail in China but so few Chinese carriers support assumes that they literally they're they're gated by the number of carriers that can actually support the built in sim technology that probably is next thing they go the SIM card no no think about before the the charging port but it we're we're moving closer and closer Amazon you can't get away from Amazon yet story the Gizmodo one of the writers tried to live without any Amazon services touching her her life experiences and it's not possible nepali Amazon s3 everywhere like oh you can't get away from it yeah yeah I mean stop using Amazon Prime pretty quickly but well Amazon will students soon be chasing you down the street with their scout robot that they're now testing in where is this in Washington oh it's cute let's put some googly eyes on okay yes that's the let's uh and it's battery power robot that will safely deal with obstacles like pedestrians and pets and Dylan and drop in some and deliver some packages pop it slid open and drop out of Amazon box all I can think of is is people with crowbars figuring out how to pop those things oh I how long is he good how long before the security flaw shows up or the physical flaw shows up and people start ripping those off Amazon is completely oblivious to criminal activity I don't think they're oblivious they are doing it they would have designed their to courier system the way that it did that they have received so little training on where how to leave packages no no no no no I think they're fully aware of it I don't think they care because of the volume that they do you misunderstand me sir I mean their solution is to get in your home right their solution is to have you use their car locking system their garage door opening system your do it yeah yeah that amount of convenient I mean in I mean it's also I mean it's it's always funny to see different sort of weird evolutions in Amazon's delivery because my personal favorite was still when they started having you know drivers or warehouse workers I guess would optionally be able or they just hired really inexpensive opportunities to hire really it just I just remember like a like a like a Honda of a certain age missing a certain amount of its paint screeched to a stop in front of my house the window is down and somebody yelled out are you Norton and I'm sitting here and I'm like full flight or fight mode in like seconds cuz it was really aggressive and I'm like yeah and literally an Amazon package flew out of the window hit me on the chest I caught it before he hit the ground and they took off and I was just like that happened that just happened and I really wish so there's certainly on the cutting edge of figuring out how to reduce shipment costs that's right they are good at that all right a little bit of fun story we got some thoughts from John Carmack on Twitter he pontificates from time to time with interesting experiment ideas things he's been thinking about and recently audio is something he's been thinking about not necessarily as it pertains to VR but classic video games he tweeted it would be interesting to see experimental audio only upgrades to classic games to probe how much impact can be made especially essentially given the unlimited quality and diversity huh then dice music playback Pac Man for attention and I would answer there is already a pacman version that has really great music and that's like the pac-man Championship Edition yeah but he's talking about same graphics I imagine he's talking about same gameplay same controls same graphics just upgraded audio and what type of audio is on my positional audio or just like would I just want to sound try to the Valkyries every time pac-man needs a power pellet sky's the limit you know he talks about he talks about a dynamic soundtrack so it would change based on how many ghosts are blue based on you know who's close to you you know based on how how far away you are from the last pellet things like that to amp it up amp up the drama at that point it would be the disassociation would be that the graphics are so low fidelity yeah that why not just make it look a little bit better like that would but anything I think for him this is like a Gedanken experiment where he's he's looking at somebody who has been classically obsessed with visuals and don't get me wrong like going back to quake I have happy things to say about the horrible sound effects in the man's games but I think he's you know I don't know if he was you know was he sitting in a movie one day and realizing that he wasn't really responding to the images but he was responding to the soundtrack and then he starts pulling that into the game being universe I mean it's a really it's a really curious concept I would say Tetris effect that's your answer right there same visuals do you know what it's same gameplay same gameplay but sound is a huge part yes that's true and so but imagine that sound on the Gameboy so is he is he asking about there has to be an upgrade like the exact same experience except for audio I'm imagining and I think it's an interesting this interesting thought experiment you know because there are a lot of great games defender you know tempest robe Tron I wonder what they would sound like with some upgraded audio like completely sky's the limit audio so who's the unbiased tester news is someone who's never played the game yet that's actually shouldn't be that hard to find so for them it would just be like they would just see that disconnect between the image laboratory testing like full-on college you know graduate program where they yank and a bunch of people have you ever played this video game you identify this you know and then if they say no then they go in and they you know they they strap them into an EKG and you know have them play the game I bet he's got a point because music does it's like they say with with movies and audio is 70% of what you see you know I think that they have the same experience with games it's Emmy I don't think steveland and Mike mica are the target audience for this kind of thing you know I mean I think I'll there's a lot of purists who would be offended by this absolutely and there's a nice synergy between the crunchy sound effects with the 80s with the graphics yes yes I'm wondering in the same vein like if you take this thought experiment and a step further what's the other thing if you just improve the visuals but have the chinking gameplay or Warwick's out here the same B's keep the same gameplay keep the same audio and just improve the controls like smooth out higher framerate more responsive but I think classic games like arcade games in particular were designed around the controls I don't think it came it was game first mmm you know that they're so well tuned to one another I think that the trick is to actually is remaking the controls themselves got it okay onto more music Spotify think they just had just launched this they finally out of the feature lets you mute artists Bilardo needs are so bad what does that mean it means when you like user discovery algorithm and to put is never see or Kelly exactly yeah I wonder could you generate a compelling enough radio like a algorithm you generated playlists but just telling them the artists that you don't like artists makers you probably do I mean that's one of the things looking at in title and Spotify Spotify is like title finally added like we made a list for you and it's certainly what was always amazed me about Spotify is how good it was introducing me to artists that I'd never heard of mmm but would enjoy versus title which is like this is a mishmash of stuff you basically already listen to and we're just smart enough to know that you listen to this already and we threw it in here Europe you care about audio qualities isn't that's a huge factor in the title subscription I imagine no I got the title subscription because it's such a big deal to so many people what I what I'm dealing with with with audio companies like you know a lot of Spotify it's it's only you know it's just like back off do you like blind a be test me and tell me the difference between the 300 megabit per second back a bit the 300 kilobit per second Spotify versus the title lossless and I think in many cases unless it's in a perfect testing environment they're not going to tell the difference but you could I don't even think I can unless I don't know I it's part of its this stuff's so hard to a/b in the way we process audio is really difficult I'm just saying like titles titles titles got like two tricks it's got lossless audio which appeals to audio files and it has a bunch of exclusive relationships with artists because of the ownership but so much of the actual like like ruined labs basically exists because title is such a piece of crap to work with you know in terms of the interface on the phones and stuff I just I think Spotify in terms of experience in finding music Spotify is so much better than title and this is I mean it's internet occurred to me that they they didn't allow you to block artists but I think about artists I'd like to block all the time on title because its title is in so many ways this weird like you just opened up title and we're gonna tell you about this album you didn't listen to the first 12 times we told you about it but we still have this advertising contract for this artist so we're gonna tell you about this artist you don't listen to and you've never listened to anything in this genre but this artist you know I mean versus Spotify which seems to always manage to find me new and interesting things to listen to that's my comment that's my thought is that isn't if you have to block an artist isn't that a failing of their algorithm to begin with that it's even suggesting you something - yeah go as far as yes but I don't think any algorithms can be perfect because the algorithms are because it's so subjective right you cannot like an artist yeah like you mention our Kelly we don't listen our Kelly for reasons not related to his music and so maybe would like to mute him you were a huge Drake fan and you were at CES and you got tickets for the Drake Show and Drake showed up like two and a half hours late played for 30 minutes you were so pissed off here someone here Drake for a while lock the Spotify also is rumored to finally be releasing a physical device in car player which people think will be $100 apparently some Spotify users were presented with an ad a pre-order ad in their apps last year teasing this player but the hell is this so it's a dedicated playback device that connects over Bluetooth to your cars and so you could play Spotify as opposed to using your phone and you pay increase subscription fee I got $13 a month subscription fee to get 4G connectivity and play music oh it's it's Internet connected wasn't there supposed to be my tea I don't know I mean my tea was one that's supposed to be like except laughing is this thing I've never actually seen one in the real world but my tea be mighty calm they've been talking about like it is a it is a digital audio player for Spotify yeah I mean and that is exactly what it is and it goes show that like even though you have the one device that does everything my phone your phone sometimes it's better to have discrete devices just for the users versus really good you know discreet devices especially for for streaming Spotify and title and stuff that have come out in the last year from fiyo and and some other companies and it's a stopgap for them not having relationships with car companies to build the service into the car companies into the cars themselves well but that's built into the operating systems of the phones that people connect to their cars yeah yeah I don't know I'm still blue - just get it blessed by car play and app you know Android auto and then it's practically a native app then you got to work through Apple then you got to pay them fees do you I always wondered about them I would be shocked if you didn't especially in the universe with Apple music yeah speaking of come car news Tesla let's go back to some Tesla news Tesla increase their supercharger prices makes it a little less competitive then in some places where gas is cheap in the country there's enough backlash on this that Tesla then back down and while the prices are still higher they met somewhere in the middle and their explanation for Tesla is that from Tesla is that this price increase is to help expand the supercharger network but this also comes on news that Tesla has been is planning on laying off some of their employees I significant portion of the workforce to maintain profitability and and growth because they're expected to launch a couple new cars next year - interesting that there's so much more Tesla news on our podcasts in the past few months norm specially since last April that's interesting yeah it's been popping up in my Google feed that's weird last bit of test the news was I promise Elon tweeted that 360 or century mode will soon be unveiled what's that it's a what people are hoping there's no details no confirmation yet it's a 360 camera mode so that while you're Park you can leave the camera on and record everything happening around your car huh for people who may be damaging your car ooh a century record dashcam but using all the cameras around the car sounds like James Bond I mean there's gonna be advance summon mode that's coming out soon and that will be right out of the James Bond that's on the defensive mower you drive the car with your phone you can turn and not just go forward backward you mean like in a garage right now yeah right now you can go forward or backward with summon mode yeah but now with the advance summon mode theoretically you can actually turn if somebody attacks your car and it's using sentry mode yes will it alert you I don't think so it should should give you a feed give you a power to talk to the criminals that's that's way too advanced I think it's gonna be just video recording and you know your mileage may vary depending where you live whether you can actually get the cops to do anything about it yeah Honda is going to be showing off its new Eevee at the Geneva Motor Show in March this is their urban Eevee and it doesn't look like the Civic it kind of looks a little bulbous a little it's not gonna look like this that's what that's the official honda sketch uh-huh it kind of looks like a a wally era robot the eyes are perfectly circular Leslie a bumper car actually yeah I don't Eevee's don't need to look so different right don't you know hater no there's no reason that stand out and say look at me I'm an Eevee split on what the cars kind of feel like they should I'm afraid I'm afraid of change how do you feel how do you feel about Eevee is patrick norton you're kind of a i seee man right I love my diesel truck is you know what as soon as I can figure out a way to man but you're also a technophile how do you how do those two clash sometimes you just want to eat expletive to run which is why a lot of people I know still run Windows 7 because they don't have to do Windows 10 creating complications in their life no I it's I I apologize I can't think of the man's name but he lives in the East Bay and he's the guy who figured out he reversed engineered essentially the systems to allow you to do things like reset the controls the for Tesla's after they've been through an accident right because Tesla basically as soon as a car has an accident they basically want to disappear in a black hole they don't want to sell parts they don't want it they want you to basically like make the car disappear and produce a new one because they have some long-term issues there's whatever Tesla's complicated but he has been he teaches people how to he reverse engineered the the connection into to be able to remote connecting to the the car and upgrade the firmware and resound sensors and rebuild them and you know he's got this crazy I want to say it's the motor from X and I think he plans on repurposing it into a motor for a sprinter which means it has a lot of torque I would love a flat torque curve which you get from an electric engine I would love you know any of a number of the electric motors that are available but currently it would be difficult for the charging environment I have and the type of travel I do you can soon as I get to the point where where I can like swap a battery pack out of my truck you know at the local whatever it's called you know mean like or I can supercharge a truck it'll be really really tempting but for a lot of stuff I do like I can easily get a hundred miles from you know a town or a highway so you know to have a the range I need is really difficult to replace electricity currently so it's not about a deep-seated love smelling gasoline I love the smell of gasoline I also I love the flat torque curve is a lot more you know obscene and delightful to me than the smell of 116 octane racing good but it's also the expense of an electric vehicle right now yeah is prohibitive and kind of brutal especially its early days yeah but it's you know my opponents are like you know they're killing the electric car it's like no dude like if the average family of four in the United States lives on like 40 or 50 grand a year paying an extra $13,000 for an electric car is a brutal and difficult thing you know I mean so like I would love you know as soon as the the gigafactory scales up and everybody has cheap batteries you know I'll be happy to figure out how to put the electric engine in my car I also want to see Tesla's you know what they look like when they're seven or eight years old at this point because they they seem to be either amazing or nightmarish and I know like two or three people personally who have had to have wheel motors swapped on Tesla Model S's and that just seems really expensive to amortize into the cost of a vehicle they're producing you know the model three seem to be better except one friend of mine with the model three I think 20% of his ownership time it's been in the shop for repairs so you know I'm curious and excited and I want to see Tesla succeed in the worst possible way but I don't have the money to help them do that right now awesome all right I think we are out of time out of time on the podcast unfortunately so we're gonna not do a full via or a minute I will give a recommendation a variety has a story about what happened with meta the a our company that we checked out for two years ago now and they had a they're basically a bankrupt and no I mean it's it's sold it's a failed company unfortunately and so as the AR is very hard and even though you know they had a big TED talk and a second-generation product it's not easy to figure this out we're still very very early days and there'll be a lot of failure before yeah I have successes they'll early fail often yep I think that's it Patrick sir where can people find you and what going Alma tech thing oh man we did two weeks of CES coverage and we've got a review of a product I can't talk about coming out next week but what kind of product a computer and actually Shannon it's a bunch you get Linux running on a huawei mate book X this week and talks about about how much better a laptop support is for Linux these days and actually some of the performance issues so you may not have to buy a specific Linux branded notebook anymore we got pretty geeky on that one very cool and people can find you on twitter at Patrick Norton yes please alrighty Jeremy yes do you want an outro I do want an outro what is uh what is your Twitter handle Jim attention you are at jarowair slower and we got some fun videos on the site if you haven't checked it out yet we're starting to release our series that Adam did with Terry English which he spent two weeks learning to build Arthurian armor out of aluminum just like the film Excalibur so that's on our youtube channel as well we also have some test videos Sean reviewed trommel's new 3d printer and we have some how to's about making SLA queuing stations coming out soon you have a headphone yes the Sony headphone Roo the 1000 XM threes which I love very much although as I say in the review I don't solely use those because I also if I am NOT traveling I have my hi-fi man said I really like these are noise cancelling headphones active noise canceling headphones Patrick are you down with active noise canceling I have a pair of son Heiser's in my bag the 900s are from Sony are amazing and sometimes they show up for well under $200 at Costco if you want to get an amazing bargain and a very very well performing headphone that was the surprising thing for me the active noise-cancelling I've gotten to a point where you're not sacrificing audio quality and you're not getting like a low hum I think Bose has kind of has everybody thinking that that using active noise cancelling and there's active in terms of about killing noise it's amazing but their musical quality is kind of crappy I like the sound of the Sony's yeah they're really good expensive though I found mine on eBay and they do go and sale occasionally all right that does it and we do have an outro Jeremy from mad cat is out Row 3 tick tock dick I want to say tock tick tock tick tick tock tock tick tick tock tick tock tock oh my god that was pretty awesome I think this episode will be ripe for outro material if you want to make an outro you can just search tested podcast outro head to the site and you can download the template uploaded SoundCloud posts in the kala forums or just email it to me a normative test calm and we'll play one in the future thanks for listening we'll see you next time and we're out TROthis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by the fine folks at MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but they do just about everything to help businesses grow like ads postcards landing pages audience management tools automations reports and more you could say MailChimp grew so much that they outgrew their name and their marketing tools can help you do the same and go to MailChimp calm to sign up for free and see how MailChimp can help grow your business MailChimp they do more than mail for Thursday January 24th 2019 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast have tested hello and welcome to this week's fine episode I realize now that I left my morning coffee outside of the podcast room as I look at Jeremy Williams burgers delicious fancy cinnamon star anise infused cold brew orange peel orange PLL cold brew o to make a rough podcast I'm so sorry more energy faster more intensity I'm norm and joint of course Benjamin Williams here greetings and assures not yet back we thought I'd be back this week so we have another guest it's Patrick Norton welcome back to the show Patrick thanks for having me thanks for coming if your coffee less and surly does that mean I have to be sort of upbeat and enthusiastic we switch on roles I feel like I'm usually the cynical point on any given podcast where we'll make this work thanks for coming in I think we gave you a hold 20 hours notice no it was like 17 okay it's a record-low but to be fair cuz short gave us like 18 hours notice that he couldn't make he wasn't even be in this city you know we said a pod must be recorded I you know I just look to the boys Mike do you want to go see something cool tomorrow they're like yes so they're out quietly doing math in the front room while we cast pod excellent do you have any fear of like what your kids may be doing in our studio right you know the last time one of my children was was in the tested offices he managed to shut off the video on the board while you and I were recording a podcast if memory serves a miss has standing orders to keep Tristan from touching anything so if it starts sounding like a Tom and Jerry cartoon out there the perils of father hey I went to see a show last night and for the first time left with Nana cat left our child back at home with my mom to watch him for I think four and a half hours it might even have been five hours and guess what what I didn't feel a thing I was just happy to be out in the world I was not anxious how is this how was Danica five we called in once during intermission distributive yeah but we were like you know what my mom raised three children she's got this as long as she doesn't break a hip carrying the large baby up the stairs you say that that's is this is her first grandchild first grandchild yeah so there's precious there's a rewarming period I think that grandparents have to go through they have to warm back up to this idea and this is why yeah you were probably raised with cloth diapers yes yeah I'm definitely without diapers that had the without with the strip the color-changing strip I think that's new to me Wow I know about this no now diapers standard have a yellow line that goes from top to bottom easier and it changes color when it gets wet is your challenge so now hydrated you can't tell that it's relieved itself because the diaper isn't floating around its knees because there was so little water now with this I just it's you know there's a little pregnancy test tie in there that I'm just not working without any emotional level oh we use that because then we don't have to change the diaper if he hasn't gone yeah and when the color changes then we know it's safe to remove the diaper and I guess you could go the old-fashioned way and lift the child so you look see ways a the typers waiting to you know as soon as like you picked the kid up you pretty much know whether or not it's time to change the diaper so maybe people want to do a longer distance that's cuz you're old school men these new compare ins they have no idea they need color changing diapers the trick is to not touch your child with this is that the 21st century yeah minimal contact your animal reading your grandkid a robot that rocks the child your ground oh yeah you literally do I do you're actually I know I you ever seen this The Sex in the City episode where the Hitachi vibrator ends up attached to the child no it's it's one of the great parental hacks ever and I was it was in case your grandkids will have talking diapers nice the diaper is wet change me change me you know diapers that have like Internet of diapers have have have I've lo VI you totally have have like graphics on them and I'm like why do you need Elmo on the diaper when the toddler isn't forming memories yet who is this for like if you're gonna put branding or put character dude do it for me it's for you for the next ten years well the size zero and the size one diapers don't need no the branding it's their selling they're trying to yes and grain me with Elmo's in Sesame Street that's not a value-add for me yeah you know something it's it's funny cuz dad jokes put dad jokes on the diapers that is a really awesome idea right on the butt where they belong coop emojis hey there you go right I mean like I remember my wife is was very intensely anti like cartoon character character branding yeah to the point where life that's why we started stenciling t-shirts because everything was so especially like like gender coded for boys and girls when we be out shopping and stuff but it was amazing some of the reactions I got from people are like you haven't taken your children to Disney yet no and if I'm lucky I'll never have to go back to Disneyland again and it's like more power to you if you enjoy it but the last time I was there I remember being like wow this is really expensive and I spent half my day standing in lines with people shoving their giant pocketbooks full of God knows what into my back because they thought if they pushed me the line would move faster Wow and that's all I remember from my last trip to Disneyland that and a lot of weeping people especially adults usually in line tried to buy a beer for what was it like 42 dollars or something California venture it's only placed in Disney and they saw the beers yeah I will not talk about too much about the show and I went to see though because I want to save that for next week's conversation you don't even know it was a circus of a show so I'm not got to see the show that you'd mentioned a few weeks back or Volta highly recommended and you highly recommended it and I will now reaffirm that recommendation because it blew my mind but the specifics you'll have to wait until the following week some key shorts back and maybe even a tested video in the not-too-distant future that's exciting yeah yeah a little bit of teasing there but we've wanted to get you on the podcast for quite a while now back on the podcast Patrick because you unlike us actually went to CES it hasn't changed a lot since last you were there only the products have shifted I've still felt the FOMO so lay it on us we've read the news what was your CES experience like one of the best things that you saw and the things that you got to see so a lot of incremental stuff like three the big takeaways for me was one watching it was interesting watching as somebody spends a lot of time talking with Robert Herron about screens on a V Excel watching you know LG be like look we have this amazing we've done the roll-up screen we actually turned it into a product we'll have a ship date we don't have a price prepare to sell your car but that was I don't really get giddy about products anymore ever and watching that thing is one of the coolest things I've ever seen at CES because it was just like you would you know it's rolling up and the pictures going as it rolls up and it rolls back down that it sounds so stupid to hear that out loud in my headphones but it was really really cool to see what is the use case for that though so when you think about the vast majority of the population is living in very very small spaces and spaces that are getting smaller and when you look at the longevity of screens the number one thing I had a conversation with Dell a few months ago and I talked to one of their engineers there's like how do you make a screen last longer they're like don't put a screen saver on it shut it off you can literally triple the length of the life of your monitor right when you look at the terms of monitor decay over like LEDs like you know it's it's you know I think it's like if you leave it on 24/7 for three years you've effectively reduced the brightness of the monitor by 50% and by most standards that's considered a you know time to replace the monitors who so simply by like not displaying anything on the monitor the monitor lasts a lot longer but what so what why does that need to roll up well a lot of it because basically a lot of people especially if you live in if you have a very small living room you walk into a room or a very small room where your where your screen is it is dami like a 65 inch screen is a big black hole in most people's room even if there's like even if the Apple TV is playing it's extraordinary images of whatever or whatever your roku is doing it's goofy it's to make your room more aesthetically appealing I think so I can't do my AR when the screens in the way because the spatial recognition right won't track the reflection off the screen I mean for people who are jumping in saying this is crazy people who were have need for space aren't spending $10,000 on TVs you're not talking about this model you're talking about what this technology could send in the future when we get some a spark adoption the few of having the TV not be a fixture permanent fixture when you're not using it yeah because right now when you look at the wood Samsung came out with as their kind of big drop was like you know we have a ninety eight inch 8k monitor it is massive and huge and it will cover your wall and you can buy a house in the United States for what this cost you know and there of course when you look at that you've got LED which suit currently a superior contrast because you turn a no LED pixel off and it's black it's absolutely black and the Samsung there's a micro you talk about micro LCDs okay but but in terms of you know there's kind of a battle in terms of how do you define HDR and improve contrast you know with the quantum dot technology a lot of that it's getting brighter light so that what is actually a very very dark gray and not black when the pixel is quote black looks like black because everything around it is so much brighter but it was just funny to see like LG's like look at this really crazy thing we we you know built out of a garage door opener and a box in a rollup oh le d-- screen vs samsung going we have an even bigger screen this year and it's 8k and there's no 8k content so that was that mean for me that was in our scene in watts there's a whole bunch of actual 4k projectors finally coming out it was weird looking at you know gaming was huge this year and video basically didn't spend nine hours talking about everything but the new GPU they kind of got straight into the 2060 really quickly which is a fantastic card although some people think that should be a $200 cores no to 350 dollar card and argument I don't really want to play out anywhere other than the YouTube comments have already played it out in you know it Intel actually talked about the processors you know fast and early and basically saying more cores more performance and you know their next-generation chip architecture they're talking about taking you know potential battery life from 15 hours up to 25 hours we're talking about the not for desktop though not even for high-end laptop this is own like the all the laptop well I mean you'd have with the you know the the the more power sipping stuff yes yes yeah I think they have enough issues at this point with the performance laptops keeping the processors cool Dallin I should point out the the CES coverage or Unitec thing was sponsored by Dell but but looking at Dell's one fixing the delete expletive nostril cam on the XPS series which is oh yeah this is so that's people know the Dell XPS laptops the 13-inch and I guess the 15-inch as well has been very popular ultrabook alternatives to to the Mac books they've performed well they look great but the long-standing problem was that the user facing camera has been in the hinge ya nostril looking as opposed to because they want the slim bezels and so where do they put the camera now they put the camera directly Center above the screen they have a slightly larger bezel and they reduce the camera size from seven millimeters to 2.5 millimeter so it's not a reverse knotch no no no no seems in Reverse not seems like a no-brainer yeah finally I'm glad they finally did that but going back to the roll TV I get what you're going what you mean but the thing that ice think about is the mechanical problems yeah so I need to add mechanical complexity to this appliance you're saying like the roller motor stuff yes you can't even watch heard yes like why do you need that type of the gearing and and not just the cost but the maintenance required for that well what there's what they're claiming and the number of original number I heard was twenty thousand cycles on that which I think even a hyperactive toddler you know on yeah that's what's your garage door what's the cycle is on your garage door probably a lot less than that I'd have to look it up it's been so long since I've had a garage door we also heard some later reports that people were claiming that it would be cycling up to fifty thousand but twenty thousand cycles is if it's legit and their engineering is good that's a pretty long time that's a lot of cycles okay alright and for the price point this thing might end up shipping at yeah I don't think the maintenance costs are going to be too much of a concern yeah it should be I mean steel bearings and all that should be maintenance-free dot dot dot right this goes to you know that we saw for double screens at CES as well but mature technologies and mature product lines companies every year are there they're getting weirder and the ways they're trying to diversify and wow us when just make the thing that we want and we use actually better like the image quality or me or make it cheaper I think we were arguing about a year ago about whether or not phones need to be thinner I'm I'm tired of a thinner phone I don't want a thinner phone I want a phone that doesn't Bend a tune for that razor yeah I want a phone that does not Bend on contact with reality right well on the human on that subject to have TV has not gotten high enough resolution it does 8k matter to you 8k doesn't matter to me 8k doesn't matter to your eyeballs 8k matters I I feel and I'm using my feeling words here and Robert would probably be a better person to talk to you I feel then 8k is a lot like 3d in the sense that you know the manufacturers want to increase adoption especially at the high end where the most of the profits are at 8 KS the next natural evolution there is for all intents and purposes no 8k content there wasn't 4k content to begin with I'm sure okay man there was actually you know the the path you know we barely have 4k content a lot of what we see in even in UHD blu-ray ziz is you know sourced off of K mid files that di yeah and and the truth is is when you when you look at the human eyeball when you when you get into the you know when you get into the actual physiology contrast is way more important to the way we perceive things than pixel density is and once you're more than a couple feet away from the monitor it gets really really hard to tell the difference in terms of pickle so pixel to pickle I'm all I'm hearing is there's a ripe opportunity for a LASIK and a Kay TV bundle right well it's it's I mean I guess you said an 8k monitor a couple three years ago and the thing that stuck with me wasn't the fact that it how big was it this is a Dell monitor yeah yeah 30 inch Dell you were there ek and kind of not specially simple because window doesn't do scaling well right right but for me what was interesting is having like 35 megapixel images in per pixel on that screen and then because the the pixel density was so high it was like having that retina image experience on a massive screen and that was much more fascinating to me than you know yes you could put 37 windows on this screen and not be able to read the text in any of them if you didn't scale it up but the actual in terms of if you were spending a lot of time in with high-resolution photography and stuff having this unbelievably dense you know and you know it's it was you know it was an ultra sharp so the color accuracy was super super good and stuff but it was it was kind of crazy to be working in per pixel images with these massive massive images and at that point it's really the OS the software and the graphics card that's your limitation because then you're kind of everything's at a stutters pace you're not getting 60 FPS 60 Hertz yeah consistent tough monitor to game on but at that point you would put like a 20 atti into it or now you would put a zooming in at that point about 10 80 TI today like the 28th et I run it at 4k and have the monitor scale right I ca K really being useful in situations where you're interacting with screens at a much closer distance yeah I'm not your TV couch living situation but desktop like desktop or even at that bigger size like interactive whiteboards or like hyper teleconferencing the first time I use saw a K I believe it was a LCD up close sharp had one and they basically had like a Where's Waldo and image or video playing in a K native resolution and you were encouraged to go up to the TV be a foot from it and look around for the details that's not way we interact with TVs but it changes the opportunity for what type of interaction models we have with these you know super high fidelity screens yes can you tell me about the new Alienware laptop because I don't understand how how is it's using PC parts yes how is that possible a really big power supply I mean literally uh so this is not the first time if you're old and I wave my hand furiously at the monitor the camera if you're old enough there were back in the 90s there were people putting desktop motherboards inside of laptops like the battery life on these was literally it would boot up and then the battery run out literally about the time windows started because because these were these were not power sipping processors so what they did again let me point out that my CES coverage was sponsored by Dale yeah you know but we look at that area and pick you one laptop they are essentially have put a small like think of like a a mini ITX scaled motherboard right but it is a custom motherboard not how you assume it's a custom motherboard you know I asked nicely but they wouldn't let me take the screwdriver to I had an eye fix-it box in my bag and I was ready to start tearing that thing down and and and I won't say his name if he looked at me like I was on crack and so the thing takes this desktop Ram desktop graphics card it's desktop GPU it's supposed to be shipping with a twenty eighty it's a desktop CPUs very Ben Heck project just yeah it but Rama consul owns a suitcase type of thing but you how do you you don't upgrade the graphics card because it's a different form factor no there's tell me it's standard graphics cards like a standard desktop GPU I mean like I've got a mini ITX build I'm finishing up an s4 you know in a new s4 mini case and the entire thing right I have a DC to DC power supply HDX power supply which is a 400 watt power supply that's gonna run an 18 X 18 hundred X processor and now I may actually I haven't I haven't done the math yet but I should be able to put a 2060 inside of that and that's me with my staggering lack of engineering skills yeah off-the-shelf parts so do with this area 51 do you actually use the HDMI port I mean you must right because that one 17-inch monitor on it so but you're plugging it in you're playing into a cable inside your laptop you know it's so it's I III again they wouldn't let me they wouldn't let me take apart one was running cuz I don't see I wouldn't you know I would imagine it would slot in or they would have a loose cable they were I don't they yeah as soon as they send me one to test dude you will be the first person I call to tell you how the STM eyes connected supposedly they are telling you off-the-shelf CPUs and GPUs will fit into this how heavy is it I'm guessing nine to 10 pounds yeah that's no MacBook no but then again look at the performance yeah best thing you saw it CES Patrick I was obsessed with that stupid LG roll-up monitor okay I that actually kind you like that it I like this really yeah because you know one of the reasons I like my projector is because when when I show everything down the magically rolls back up to the ceiling and there's a wall full of art and pictures behind okay so that was really interesting so you have all the benefits of that with the benefits of being on the watch during the daytime yeah yeah you know and actually I can watch her any day time now the projectors are bright enough that unless you are in the corner glass ceiling to floor apartment in Miami most projectors most decent projectors now are bright enough to deal with either you but you must put the blinds down I mean it makes a difference doesn't it yeah but not as much it used to be you had to now it's optional if I want the best image quality I pull the blinds down my next projector I probably you know won't have to think too much about whether the blinds are up or down and then very quickly micro LED or LCD thoughts is this is this gonna be a thing is it an OLED killer it's you know so that argument I've sent about before where it's you know Samsung vs. LG it's basically a LED versus what can we do and quantum dot technology is one thing micro LED is one thing I mean some of the some of the I want to say it was high sense essentially sandwiched a 1080p panel behind a 4k panel and used the 1080p panel made basically a 19 by 20 panel picture a 65-inch 1080p panel that has been fused to a 4k panel and the 1080p so they had you know they had somebody do the math for me because I'm slow today but they basically they had instead of having like for like 480 discrete dimming locations so the elderly the 1080p panel yeah were the lighting pixels for the backlight for the 4k display yeah so instead of having yeah so you had two million discrete zones instead of 480 discrete zones and so I guess this is just hanging Vantage of scale and manufacturing and cheaper to get yo led 1080 panel and then they can manufacture the pane yeah but in this case it was actually they were it basically to increase the one of the ways that that LEDs are fighting Oh LEDs you know extraordinary HDR qualities is by bringing local array dimming back and then this was kind of like the the illogical extreme which actually judging from what a friend of mine said because there were engineers from other television manufacturers basically walking into that booth with in you know with testing to to take measurements to see what the performance was actually like because they're so blown away by what what was going on there but still jury's out on micro LCD micro LEDs I mean you know micro LEDs were showing up in Corsairs booth because they were getting more even lighting out of memory we were showing up in television manufacturers there's there's I don't think there's I think having more smaller controllable LEDs as a backlight is going to give you something that is it gives you a higher performance for those and I would assume a lot of that's gonna show up everywhere if it scales well in the you know the cost is there and in OLED is still scaling very well right now and really a question of whether people feel like the burn-in and the life lifespans are actually could be a problem and that's it's early to tell on that but I mean you know Sony's fully committed to o LED LG's obviously built their Brandon o LED Panasonic is reentering apparently you're pre entering the US market with o LED and really the places where the burnin is gonna be problems in public places where people are running like news channels 24/7 and the Cairo runs on the bottom or stuck there the logos believe ESPN up for 24 hours yeah if you play the same video game with the same you know or you're running Windows or desktop OS and you have fixed menu bars and yeah and we haven't seen a lot of LED monitors we I haven't gotten a phone call from anybody or an email that says like hey how do I fix the burnin on my OLEDs yet so I think it's probably early yet well we're gonna do a quick plug because you will you'll presume people can find all the coverage of what you did see us on tech thing yes please and so they can check that out on detecting YouTube channel or check YouTube comm slash tech thing tek tek a th ing let that close the door on CES so let's get to our first formal second top story this week top story this week comes out of the pop culture world where the nominations for this year's Academy Awards were announced and it's always a fun time to go through talk about surprises snub is potentially and have you guys gone through the list and and I don't you saw a bunch of the film so what were your big takeaways from this year's crop of nominations that I haven't seen many food I have only managed to see one Best Picture nominee it's Black Panther it is and that's a big surprising deservedly there but it is a little bit of a surprise because it was not nominated for the Golden Globes for Best Picture in dramatic category so I think it it's up for a lot though like it's a private award it's a stunning film that's a lot and I think it's interesting that it's not up for special effects but infinity war is and that's the only category that infinity Wars actually nominated for and I just think that's interesting I mean that's not able I think I prefer Black Panther thematically - but infinity war is arguably the more important film in the MCU and maybe even the bigger budget I was taking back Black Panther was nominated for Golden Globes for Best Drama but did not win but it is the first superhero film is it the nominated for Best Picture no Superman wasn't oh my gosh no Wow so among Black Panther a long black with black panther you have black Klansmen the Spike Lee film Bohemian Rhapsody which did win for Best dramatic picture and going globes the favorite Green Book which won for Best was the other way around they both want green book and Bohemian Rhapsody romo as stars born and vice and interestingly enough the other milestone is that Romo was nominee for Best Picture and that is a Netflix produced Netflix exclusive movie and I guess it qualified because it was in theaters for a couple weeks oh it had to be in theaters had to be in theaters for a couple weeks that's interesting yeah it's up for a lot of awards too yes this is the the korone film so his first film since grad and I haven't seen yet but it's on Netflix and Netflix had a couple other nominations other big surprise is the ballot of Buster Scruggs which I loved another exclusive Netflix exclusive Coen Brothers film nominated for Best Song didn't get nominated for Best Cinematography which I think it deserved but it was in a bunch of places I believe I believe a screenplay as well and you had a lot of a lot of familiar names in the list you know star was born was nominee for a bunch of picture a bunch of categories including actor actress Bradley Cooper did not get a Best Director nomination for star was born and I think that's an omission things that may be interested interesting to our listeners Best Animated Feature you had Incredibles 2 you also had into the spider-verse yep I love dogs in terms of costume design Ballad of Buster Scruggs black panther there as well the favorite Mary Poppins which didn't get nominated for a bunch of other things Mary Queen of Scots so visual effects ready player one yep infinity war that's right first man Christopher Robin in solo a Star Wars story yeah first man not nominated for a lot of other awards in the major categories which I think was surprising for some people I think not enough people saw in the film that's the one about the arm straight ish oh no and then Best Documentary you had a free solo nominated and we've talked much about that on so entitled so classy that not there no mr. Rogers documentary nominated for Best Best Documentary Feature so a little sad I enjoyed that yeah so how many of the best picture films have you seen I have seen because most of these came out before the baby came I've seen most of them seen have you had their black Klansmen Bohemian Rhapsody star was born not favorite have not that came out after the bit of that's that's up for like 10 and I want to see that yeah the director of the favorite did the lobster which you can find on Netflix yeah so killing of a sacred deer both very weird films and lobsters fascinating yeah I heard the Vice was divisive yes I'm surprised that it's up for Best Picture given what I heard about it yeah I don't really liked it okay good cuz it's got a killer cast yeah and Adam McKay one for the big short hmm so you know I think he's he's kind of he from going to pure comedies he's doing like sent a satirical historical donkey drama you posted a story about theater chains who've run a best you know who run the series of all the films that are nominated for Best Picture after they've been announced in a run-up to the Oscars and they were excluding Romo yes so that not not some but damn near all the big theater chains are boycotting robot and this goes into the story that this year Roma and ballad buster Scruggs these are Netflix's first big cinematic successes and while they've had successes in the emmy there's yeah the Emmys for television and going close for television and streaming services have the Oscars seem to be hallowed ground more for the MPAA and for the for Hollywood in general and so AMC regal and Cinemark which have done a lot of marathons and re releases of films because like you said a lot of people may not have seen these films in the Oscars whether you care or care about who wins or not are a great way to surface films that you came out in the past year that you may not have seen yeah this opportunity seen them well from the theaters perspective Netflix is kind of destroying their business a little bit and you if people have Netflix they probably can watch that movie at home although the filmmakers it's kind of like a spit in the filmmakers faces because a lot of those filmmakers would agree that these films are probably best enjoyed on the big screen not just the big screen your home your living room roll-up or otherwise but the big screen you know and it's to say it's basically to talking via Netflix what's it say the Coen brothers if you're gonna work with Netflix we're not gonna let people see The Ballad buster shrugs on the big screen I will not let people see Romo on the big screen but sucks that just seems a little whiny to me it does there's certainly a trajectory to the to the business models the whole the the theater owners being whiny is kind of tradition for legitimate reasons and I think also some theaters have worked really hard to sort of regain the try man literally well it's money on the table there is a given it there embrace it why isn't the right thing to do the route out and celebrate the theatrical experience and say you may have seen you may have already seen not to mention great filmmaking right but you may have seen either of these films on your TV or on your phone because in some people but it's a chance to rewatch some of the way the filmmakers intended yeah you wanna really see in a different way to celebrate films I it's totally I mean it is totally whiney move especially given you know in terms of overall you know ticket sales I think the the the the the Oscar premiers is probably such a tiny segment of their business it's really petty to refuse to play it but you know they're making their their moral stand but I mean when you look at this like I think AMC's got 8,000 screens Riegel's got you know another like 5500 Cinemark is 4500 I think the next largest theater chain is under 700 screens so literally like this is 20,000 theaters or theater so 20,000 screens in the United States and they're all basically tell I mean you know Netflix just can't win I think it's what it comes down to I don't know I don't know I don't mean in terms of the awards I mean like Netflix like Comcast hates the theater owners hate you know all the other competitors hate them consumers like them consumers like them they're gonna win in the business sense yes they're gonna get all the money they already have a ton of money but this is the only way the existing industry can can not give them that can hold back the one thing they want it's ironic though because if they did let them show the film the theaters people would come and pay the $15 to see it in the theater and buy the popcorn if there's a 40 if they're making those people go home and pay the one month subscription fee which cost the same as a movie ticket then they're gonna discover how much more they can get for their money on Netflix instead of the movie theater and no popcorn is sold you know their argument AMC's argument is that the film was never licensed they didn't go through the proper channels because you know there's a whole behind-the-scenes negotiations that take place for what movies can here you know it's not just if you release a film as a studio you have the right to play in a theater it's all business my deals are made business it's all business and speaking of business and Netflix and Hollywood Netflix is now started the process of applying to be part of the MPAA the Motion Picture Association of America that logo that you see from trailers so I'm alone we might see that in front of Netflix will they adopt the rating system right the braiding system is such a joke but let's not go down there they might have to if they want that kind of legitimacy it's a lobbying group so right you know it's it's to have their interests represented along with Hollywood's in in Washington and it's another step to the perception that they are a legitimate film production studio yeah along with your warner brothers and your even reversals even though you know revenue wise i mean it's also money there's a slot opening up right with 20th Century Fox being bought by Disney I don't think this it was Olo fixstick a-- it's Justice League say I only have so many shifts at the round table yeah yeah it's a shape of a giant film reel yeah right and Netflix is like we don't you don't film anymore how about a memory card Netflix to stoke more fire to the flames has publicly said they don't even see their competitors aren't aren't the big studios their big rival is not even HBO your Amazon Prime mm-hmm is it is it destined no it's not even YouTube okay no it's for tonight Netflix is biggest they had their biggest they see their biggest threat yeah in for eyeballs in your time and your kids time the next generations time generation Z whatever it posts Maloney Oh Millennials yeah it's fortnight about time they saw I mean didn't they see this at Missile Command I mean but I mean but I mean that was also but this was this was this is a conversation that people at cable companies were having 20 years ago they're likely I don't know just a competition at video games and and you know and and kids doing drugs in the woods in you know it's it's it's I think this is disingenuous like they're basically well you laugh right but it's you know that was one of the things somebody said in the in a conversation with a bunch of executives they shouldn't have but the you know in drinking and fornicating but when you when you look at when you look at like Netflix saying this right now I think they're just trying to draw attention away from the fact that man it's real close to that new Disney / Marvel channel and all these other Studios are starting their channels and movies anywhere is out there and making it easy to to move paid movies away from the subscription model and oh my goodness you know I could cry like I love The Criterion Collection The Criterion Collection has announced that they're starting their own streaming channel with a monthly fee so one of the big things that the thing that made you know Netflix so successful so fast in so many ways was you know a deal for the online distribution rights from stars and having all of these movies that was that were on the Starz catalogue and then when that deal ended you know it was everybody bought on the hammer to beat on Netflix and I understand why they did that because Netflix got those those those online reproduction rights from their stars deal for basically nothing compared to what other people were paying and more power to them for finding that deal and making it happen but now we're looking at this total diaspora where every or or maybe you know return emigration where all of this the students like Disney's like yeah we can do this we bought the MLB technology we have amazing streaming technology we can bring all of our titles into our house and then gentle parent you can pay fifteen to four thousand dollars to us a month for the right to stream your children's favorite movie over and over again and they can come one step closer to them every movie theaters and every record company's dream which is making you pay every time you watch a movie or see or listen to a song and yeah I'm exaggerating but literally I've been in rooms with people there where they literally been like you know we'd really prefer not to ever distribute on physical media or lose the rights again because that's the dream right like the the business people were so they were again they're so angry at the fact that people got to buy something at once and then watch and use it for indefinitely and sell it and and and and so but even even the without the selling it part like when do we get to a point where you know you're paying I guess we are getting there for subscriptions for video games right as opposed to buying the one game once that for 60 bucks and then and in playing the entire game you have all forms of microtransactions the absque rip shion's and DLCs and season passes because it's all about that long tail so it's it's it's the revenue per user it's the ARPU yeah I mean the the the the you know the the first sale doctrine I mean that was fought to the Supreme Court back in 2013 or that that finally was decided in the Supreme Court because basically somebody's like you we sold it to you you can't resell it to someone else someone needs to buy it fresh again from us and I get you know that's that would have been a if they'd won that court case life would have gotten a lot more expensive for everybody but it's it's it's always interesting to see the attempts to figure out new and exciting ways to get people to buy something again video game revenues have trumped movie revenues since long before microtransactions were you know the way that they were making their money oh dude now that they're doing it that way I think it's just skyrocketing it must be I'm curious if Bandersnatch was a response to their concern about video games and fortnight being your where the kids are spending their time I wouldn't be surprised I mean it is a way it's interactivity and it's also to stop piracy because you can't it's combat piracy a little bit because you can't pirate that type of interactive media the same way that's interesting that's a really interesting point you weren't gonna download Bandersnatch and then recompile you know leave it up to leave it up to pirates give it time Yeah right though open source their own choose-your-own-adventure software that you just dropped the clips in and get the same thing if that happened that'd be pretty amazing yeah but we've talked about the elasticity of demand for for this stuff cuz netflix increase their prices we go and what is that upper limit you know we all have our different upper limits but at one point at some point you're paying for however many a la carte services and they're all increasing their prices slowly it's gonna cost more than your old cable or satellite subscription did I say for me but as Comcast was so out of control when I gave up on Comcast and and DirecTV was so similarly out of control that I've still I can still basically double my media subscriptions at this and still be 1/3 less or half less what I was paying yeah but you can only say that for so long and then when it gets to a point where everyone has increased their prices there's no one person to blame yeah you have to just say oh I at this point we'll stop subscribing or not to one or more of these services it's not you can't just point the finger at Comcast DIRECTV right it's everyone's to blame because everyone needs to increase the revenue slowly over time well yeah and it's gonna be messy I think it's gonna be painful and messy for a lot of the studios and a lot of the television networks to say trying to figure out like we're gonna make you pay nine dollars a month to watch this but what is your upper limit Patrick I don't know individual it depends on the household you know a Bachelor just out of college is not the same thing as a family of four all paying the exact same thing yeah doing different amounts of consuming mm-hm right and then Hulu just lowered some of the surprises well they lowered and raised they decrease the price of their most popular subscription which is the watch with ads on mobile devices from $8 to $6 and then if you use their live TV service they bump that up by five dollars you know I gave up on Hulu so many years ago so the idea of paying to have ads just was so delete expletive you know irritating I just I I want to embrace Hulu but it's just such a pain in the ass to watch anything on it compared to Netflix or Amazon Prime or Showtime or or or or or or or what a thing they tried to sell right because Hulu was with ads quote-unquote free to watch on computer screens and then they drew the line at mobile screens the way to grow their business as the inflection point happened and everyone way more people are watching on their phones rather than on a desktop that's the thing they I don't have to charge what are you saying Hulu didn't chart didn't support mobile screen 20 mean no I'm saying that they made it more difficult to watch on mobile screens they turn the ad business everybody started watching on mobile screens they they figured out a way to make watching on mobile screens suck more on Hulu yeah and cost more and cost period I just subscribe to youtube TV yeah incur shortest footsteps because I have my parents living with us for a month and they can't survive without cable it turns out I had no I had this addiction but they do we haven't had kids for four ten years they've been watching those live sports but it's been it's been there it's got it on tap they're enjoying it UTPB just expanded to now I think believe they cover 98 percent of the US market so whoa it is the price has gone up since international introductory offering and at that price it was great they have partnered with little few more networks now so I think it's better selection I still think it's worth it I think they're they as opposed to what Hulu's done with making watching on apps the more difficult YouTube TV start off with a great yeah well I'm late you can skip commercials but I wasn't expecting it so the six accounts per household like yeah personal PVR is for everybody the interesting thing is that you can record things and it's I guess it's all with the licensing if you ought to add things to library because the TV are you have to either pre record it by adding it to library ahead of time or record in the moment and if you record like halfway through start recording halfway through a show you only get that second half of the show yeah and then you can't see must be a right thing it totally it's a business it's the money thing yeah we're knee-deep in pop culture news already so let's just continue with more pop culture news with where we got Oh big news kind of sad news end of an era we had a departure from Pixar director of Toy Story 3 Lee Unkrich the end Coco mm-hmm announced that after 25 years I Pixar he's leaving to do something else he goes back he was an editor on Toy Story I mean way back and then have a co-director on the next two films right me wasn't a bug's life in Toy Story 2 he was co-director on films very early on and then finally he directed Toy Story 3 and Coco was amazing Coco is amazing I think it's as easily his best work I mean I love that film I was the only person I know who didn't like Toy Story 3 why did you not like Toy Story 3 because I felt like it was for the demographic that grew up with Toy Story rather than the new demographic that was that young it's interesting to me because because my children enjoyed the hell out of it it's still probably Tristan's favorite Toy Story movie but I totally get where you're coming you know it's just it was a little darker I mean this comes on the wave of some interesting shake ups in the animation industry of course we have a the big kind of this controversial news will say that John Lasseter was hired by skydance to head up their animation department now what if sky Nance made sky dance the most alive action but they produced basically all the Star Trek films the recent ones they did the Terminator film they did a bunch like I'm gonna look this up on the on the wiki sky dance media Mission Impossible all the Mission Possible World War Z but animated and no no they don't exactly so this is new tomorrow Department Oh sky dance animation thank God and they have an inner they did a VR game they did that mech game Archangel I mean it's like hiring Walt Disney so the question is whether they are going to whether Lee Unkrich left because he was poached potentially was hear news he's saying he's leaving to to spend time with his family and everybody says I'm leaving to spend time with my friend he expressly said he wasn't gonna work for another studio yeah and that was interesting to me and then he's looking at back-burnered project it's also it's like well then let's hope he just builds up his shining fansite because we know he's a huge fan of The Shining obsessed with The Shining and I want the creative energies I put in Pixar he's a collector right yeah he's a replica prop builder he's yeah oh wow he's also 51 well deserving of a retirement I think that's a wonderful decision I'm surprised he hasn't done it sooner well you know he had cocoa notes a couple years now I know but it's I mean I'm with you it's like you know how many people have have just last year well yeah but I and there's been some cases where directors have really have continued early some amazing movies in their 60s 70s or 80s but I can also see like man 25 years like the craziest 25 years at Pixar yeah the absolute craziest 25 years he's being he's built this extraordinary movie you know made nearly a billion dollars worldwide I can totally be like yeah mic drop Toy Story 3 made over a billion dollars yeah but I definitely get a Coco oh yeah right Toy Story 3 he was certainly part of torture through the beginning but but you know I think Coco is being his life you know in terms of like his alt or his vision yeah it is this incredible story yes you know and you know the whole this just the whole thing from beginning to end it's just so epic and I can totally see him being like okay I'm good I'll you know what I'm inspired to you know when I have something that moves me at this level or that will move the audience at this level you know I'm sure he'll basically walk into a room and somebody will cut him a check to go make a movie yeah but none of the other no other director has done that Victor walked away yeah well everybody know it's not because I seem to remember a guy who did a bunch of movies with a lot of violence and a lot of visual references you know not a Pixar but I mean I'm thinking of Quentin Tarantino there's there's been directors who have walked away or there's been directors who've been forced now Quentin's directing the next Star Trek I understand that but but Quentin basically like was like I'm done and then like 18 20 minutes later was like I'm back I see you know Martin yeah yeah you know Soderbergh like walked away and came back you know Scorsese didn't walk away he was shoved out the door with a bunch of directors of his generation but then he came back and did some of the most extraordinary work I think I if you take him at his word he's a family man he wants to spend time with his family and he can I think that people with that creative can't not be creative and will need an outlet fro their creative energies Oh can't stop it bring you the shining land Jana you can experience this shining on a personal level heretofore never been experienced even for the actors themselves and they're all family and no screenwriting make the I saw The Shining when I was like eight way too young it affected me deeply I understand idolan I showed my eleven-year-old The Sixth Sense recently and we didn't make it all the way through I forgot how therapy is battery home it's scary it is really scary yeah yeah so okay let's move on to some movie trailers talk about three trailers that came out this week one John wick the big one John wick three Pelham I am embarrassingly excited about this movie okay really yeah did you and I never saw the second one no cuz I I mean on the I don't know don't get me wrong everything that needed to be said was said in the first movie it's okay I grew up there's there's there's one place where suspension of disbelief still works for me occasionally in video games I can't like you know I can read a story but I measure the literature I make television I'm always thinking about the shot and the choices of the people that are ya know dating and stuff movies for some reason I turn into a gaping hole of joy at being like in the moment with the movie it just happens it's really kind of cool it's only plays I can shut down and it's only place I can become fully and for whatever reason like all the stuff I'm thinking about when I watch television or a YouTube video or the video online I don't do that level of analysis if it's a good story when I'm watching a movie at least not the first time so the John wick movies for me are complete like they are you know I mean like they're not even a wah-wah pretzel like they're not even a Philly pretzel in terms of nutrition I get it like these are these are you know this is this is like me with a bottle of Cairo syrup being like waiting for the candy company that you turn this into something that tastes like something is not worthy for me except there I love I like the whole the gun the food thing the stupid underground killer culture everything goes along the movies in just watching you know the actors like I'll watch Ian McShane read a phone book dude like can do Reeves like this is the kind of stuff we're kin of Reeves becomes absolutely magnificent to watch it I like the choreography and I like the cinematography and you're right heat a lot of the characters are really good characters but I just I the gunplay does not excite me if this was a kung fu version of the same film I would be so much more on board but he hits people and he whips them around in jujitsu moves while shooting them no no it was it was the gun scenes and the matrix that I found most boring yeah I can understand that but it's also I'll be honest with you like you know pure action like I can't like I'm I'm horrified because of my own i Bumblebee may actually be worth watching I literally have not bothered or the Transformers movie because it's like oh god another Michael Bay thing Michael Bay you know Michael Bay the man who took like two of the best actors of their generation in a really really good backstory and turned it into like one of the most boring heist movies ever made I mean like no sorry if there's a lot of huge Michael Bay fans out there but like yeah I get I get it one level like endless gun battles are stupid and boring but with the the wick stuff it actually works for me yeah I don't know why I would love to see the John wick with no guns there's room for both I'm the same once John week-three ends the coreography rate and then bring back the kind of martial arts movies we were that would be amazing John wick for bad with a pencil yes and I don't mean to take anything away I've seen the videos about how well he trains for these yes it's intense yeah props but more dogs attack dogs in this one yeah that looks in ten dogs get into it yeah like dog food I'm not sure I want to be that stuntman yeah you probably don't I love dogs by the way thumbs up thumbs down oh I haven't seen it yet but and I love Lysander's on Netflix I know I know I have no excuse I will see it so we mentioned last week that surprise announcement Jason Reitman is directing a Ghost Buster sequel let's just call Ghostbusters 3 at this point right it's it's gonna be good the follow-up to the original two films and set in that universe and there is moments after our podcast a teaser trailer yeah it almost feels like a fan-made trailer it does like because it uses music from the original film uses sound effects from the original films and it's it's shot and the all of the special effects they just feel like they were made in 1985 or whenever the film was I mean that they feel like they're drawn it has the ecto-1 but just enough of it to get you excited but all of the effects of the sparks coming from the the plasma what does it call the totally could be a Spielberg proton pack for me it feels like they care it feels like they're true they're true to the original special effects but they always have spoken it doesn't feel like this was something that they cobbled together because the the surprised ian was I think all that little surprise News last week was very carefully planned by marketing by Sony marketing and because this film's shooting and coming out next year right so this isn't like yeah you know there's rumors that's happening it's like it's happening and that's announced this in a way that will shop people and then have this prepared callback trailer release very soon after not a properties your call it's a true teaser no not a teaser in the we've come to see teasers eyes yes there's any trailers this is a true teaser yeah and I really dug it I am officially teased there you go all right I'm super excited also for a superhero film in the DC Universe coming out this year we saw a new TV trailer for it it's Shazam that doesn't come out yet hey you know hasn't come out yet went to come out I believe in March Wow against Captain Marvel that's a tough launch Captain Marvel is like March 7th April sorry and the funny thing is that Shazam is also Captain Marvel now like that he's confident Shazam make my brand name it's is his comic is Captain Marvel Shazam is actually the name not of the hero Shazam is the name of the wizard and also the magic work he says and when his end game come out and game comes out in May okay so we got a little bit of a break yes all right I thought Shazam looked fun man I'm down with this film i exactly vied to take a your kid to and then and there's a lot of wish fulfillment in this film there's a lot of childlike wonder the trailer actually almost riffs a little bit on some of the action scenes that we saw a Man of Steel which of course we all know it took itself very seriously and so the idea is maybe this will be that kind of same superheros level superpower but you know it's it's big it is a big plus Superman handy Marshall there you go and that's not like they invented this concept for this film it's a established you know character or beloved character in the DC Comics Pantheon and some very looking forward to I'm really curious see what sacrum Levi brings to it cuz he was not the first person that had in mind when they were casting list but how does one is Shazam killable what is his weakness well you know Sam's is Superman's weakness business powers are derived from magic and SERP not only has two weaknesses kryptonite and magic and so Suzanne's weakness is that he has a minor file now and so if he is not in full Shazam MO by saying the word Shazam yes he's in child mode he can be subdued so but as Shazam Shazam he is as powerful as Superman so basically to kill Shazam kill child but he's not able to kryptonite no because he was born here on the unearth yes yeah he be hunched right you there there are other superpower beings that you know you know a fistfight you have to right this is starting to feel like the conversation I had with my kids recently trying to explain the Marvel reboots Oh Oh have you listened to our podcast there is a we have a segment if I'm explaining for Jeremy no but like I was I still like him I never read a lot of superhero comics growing up and I came in the comics by way of indie comics like Love and Rockets them working my way back to other stuff but it's you know trying to explain like how there can be multiple like you know into the spider-verse for the board like but we just enjoy it someone on the YouTube comments suggested Latin this after last week's show that I knew nothing about pop culture suggested yeah visited well jokes on them from listening to food to 400 episodes I have now deduce Jeremy knows nothing about pop culture I say to them joke's on you because I know nothing about tech either well one final trailer do you want to talk about bright burn have you seen this bright burn no okay I'm gonna talk about the trailer well you guys should watch it okay and you don't need the audio to watch it but it is produced by James Gunn's so it's already noteworthy that way and that it's his first film project that he's been attached to and it's coming out post him being let go by Disney slash Marvel being directed by one of his collaborators David Europe's key who I believe was who was an editor I want to say on guardians of the galaxy no not in editor what was he was a producer he had done some work with James Gunn related to guardians of galaxy but this is a new genre of superhero and the trailer what does that mean well you'll see it's Elizabeth Banks it opens up a family in it looks like Kansas and Middle America very Superman once they they're desperate for a child and as luck would befall them a crass ship one day falls onto their property and they find a baby and this baby is quite extraordinary and the trailer no bailing like Superman this trailer completely riffs off of Man of Steel's trailer from the visionary director James Gunn of guardians of the galaxy to go even the same type of title cards and credits this is directed by James Gunn no it's Otis Pike okay he isn't I mean who knows how involved in did he start this production after he was let go this is an impressively long trailer I think so and I can't wait we're gonna have a real moment here you're excited I'm excited for your reaction to our oh I'm excited for this as well because I was I watched cold and if we the the idea was very tantalizing okay she's walking through the laundry she's walking through the laundry there's something in a shed something under the floorboards dad is upset people people start getting upset oh no I show me the boys face oh god oh god damn it this is not when you take your kids to it turns out to be a horror film yeah I'll say it is what would happen if the Superman the baby from another world with the Superman powers was evil evil no The Omen sign of the times people love evil people he's a superhero horror film oh wow this is getting a little shine in here it's it's yeah there's Johnny it's terrifying oh my god oh my god game over man can't fight that baby no I that's how how does that movie end yeah right like this child it could not end well no when you have a crazy serial killer also a child would supervise feels dirty and sad at the end when they leave the theater Jesse Chronicle know that film I recommend that okay um it's uh oh written by max Landis directed by the guy who then went on to direct your Fantastic Four film but it's a found footage film about three kids and Michael B Johnson's in it it was a one of his first big movie roles before the the the Barton movie and black panther of course but it's about three kids in Middle America who gets superpowers Chronicle Chronicle okay highly recommended very cool but has it has a similar tone alright this I think it does it for pop culture news before we move on to our next segment on what you know that the this episode that's of this only test is also made possible by Lutron kassetas smart lighting system casada by Lutron takes your smart speaker alexa google home apple home pod and makes it more powerful by letting you control your lights with your voice casada is the most connected smart lighting brand and it works with more smart home devices than any other smart 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note nope nope little shifty reopen tab rope in your clothes tab listen done control shift T it's it's it's very useful it's won my favor a lot less known it's an undo that shortcuts is to kill all undo yeah yeah yeah so assuming for people watch this on youtube you're you watch your content on youtube one of the channels that you might have subscribed to was machinima we're big fans of machinima they were one of their massive youtube channel on the first ones who did lots of game coverage Let's Plays you know kind of really exploded it used to be about machinima used to be about yeah the word machinimas about animation it's about making like storytelling within game engines yes using things like what was the first machinima you saw red vs. blue maybe I mean that was a big one I don't know if it was the first I saw some like quake one mission like one that was pretty funny wait two was my first machinima and that was when you would download maps download assets texture models like real-time and and you could render it and play it on your own like a new demo that you played a demo and you'd have voice wav files well voice acting oh yeah that's neat there's a whole like sitcom I downloaded and played and quake and it was all it wasn't it didn't look like photorealistic of course it was also quake textures right so it's still like being a quake guy walking around yeah but no copper no compression artifacts but it would be at running at a glorious resolution of 1024 by 768 whatever you got and now with all those the future is like this is how we're gonna watch animation yeah going for it's how animation is gonna happen I wanted to make a tool like after watching machinimas like there should be a game engine that's made for making movies like in real time well quick three what I believe Anna King did from its software was create machine tools with quake and have made a short film yeah using that's right quake three yeah and back with the quake to stuff the way they would film this stuff was all like ghost cameras you would have like another player in a multiplayer match essentially yeah like standoff and they would call in and get people from the community to be extras right like we all jump in eight players and give people roles and you would act but the problem was the camera was always limited to whatever this game whatever served the game yes of course yes the field of view and fov and yeah and like your camera movements would be WASD and then you wouldn't get fancy camera moves or wasn't vr filming right but machinima to some extent is the idea of rendering real-time assets is what is happening with VR filmmaking right like oh yeah no I've told will you've now made that tool yeah yeah yeah you ain't you animate in real time and you bring digital characters there have that previously would have been hand frame animated and and still to this day it place the Pixar our hand frame by frame by frame hand animated you can do that with positional capture with performance capture essentially the new keyframe yes so but machine with the website yes different different born out of that I started for that tangent we went through a nostalgic deep dive it's important it's the word yes words not the site the YouTube channel when dark is it still dark it is still don't you went private well that all their partners and all their videos basically are gone which is that's kind of a big deal I mean we think of these institutions on the Internet you know the web sites and big YouTube channels and and and just big brands that we have grown to love and the people we follow as because it's on the internet because we have infinite media and infinite storage these it will be a repository for all content forever that's just not the case it's especially tricky with YouTube because that content is so hard to backup it's expensive yeah yeah and you just trust these companies like Google and YouTube to to hold on to it yeah it's not still holding on to it it's still sitting there right it's not the Google YouTube it's whoever owns the content now chooses so you like you had art you have archive.org for traditional websites and a lot of images are backed up here as well as the HTML but erase a lot because everything squeeze a lot of the it's been interesting because people have told me that a lot of what content or archive.org backs up like we don't have access to the vast majority of what it's scraped and you know the experience having spent a bunch of time especially in some stories I worked on like a year ago where I was tracing back what companies said about their products at different times yeah it's interesting to see what does kind of get or how deep it goes on certain websites and stuff but when you look at when you look at you know content creators who've maybe even running four or five six seven years who've been doing I've gone from maybe a video a week to three to five videos a week if they have an archive their stuff or if they thought of YouTube as their archive if they went with an MVNO and the MVNO basically it's in what's that you know I can never remember the initials basically it means like signing with somebody who they're gonna they're gonna grow your channel and provide you better advertising rates than YouTube does in exchange for it's it's basically the record company models edited to youtube that's the kindest thing I can say about it in public but an MBA knows had worked for some people but mostly it was really hysterical when when tech thing first started to grow we had a lot of emails from like you know hey but big then your channel we could really help you grow and give you the advertising dollars you need them like dude that's actually less than what YouTube pays prove you know thousand views and why would I sign over my ownership rights to you know some guy that you know found me on the Internet but yeah it's like they're their whole response in this was you know we are focused on creating new content with the mission of a team which will be distributed on new channels to be announced in the coming months in the meantime the machinima network of creator channels continues to showcase the talents of the network as part of this focus on new content we have pivoted from distributing content on a handful of legacy operated channels period them like wow they're basically like that's that's the that's the like they could have thrown a couple more sentences in there to observe you skate it more but it's basically like yeah we ain't doing YouTube no more thanks bye and also you know maybe the subjects and what I read is that they're they don't want to deal with the the benefits or liabilities of library of content on platforms that weren't regulated and having a jerk right Content ID and sponsorships and all that stuff has changed kind of the landscape of what it means to be a business on YouTube and you know there's a lot of liability when a company picks up um in a catalogue of content I mean having talked to a bunch of YouTube creators and I was i I want to say VidCon last year it was amazing to hear like the stories of what happened to a lot of these larger networks you know to their their ad revenue after PewDiePie's you know him pin PewDiePie makes inappropriate humor and YouTube loses 50% of its revenue in the ad pocalypse and the challenges that a lot of these companies had like we went through a server this this this company that basically aggregates or this channel that aggregated video kinda like America's Funniest Home Videos except for YouTube and they would like purchase the rights and host the video and they had like some crazy number like 30% of their content was flagged basically overnight and one of it was you know they're like okay we have a pigeon behaving weirdly before jumping off the side of this building like why was this flagged and then it working out that like you know you know the pigeon jumping sounded like person jumping and person jumping would be something that you know would be suicide which advertisers wouldn't want to be there and they literally had to like go through in some cases and individually kind of like no no no this this is what it's actually about and then you know their YouTube contact being like well perhaps you could change the title to this and like it's just it's you know they have all these creators all these contracts all this content a wildly fluctuating you know it's got to be difficult to predict the value of this depending like you know are any of these old videos still being watched you know are they making any money off of them do they want to deal with the trouble but it's also really brutal because yeah people's entires catalogs just like vaporized like geo cities all over again not that's a pretty apt analogy and then it reminds us of how ephemeral all of us this stuff is and like we think of me as being permanent and being documents of record and it's never been the case old TV shows on old news footage like you know there there is no microfiche for for video well there is it's like a DVD or a blu-ray but online video it's like someone's I'm saving it yeah and saving it in a place where if the hard drive crashes you don't lose all of it how about three to one that's a big undertaking yeah yeah everything will come to it at some point test it will come to an end at some point I'm just saying right like that's a scary thought I think this like that a teaser no I'm just saying like one last story before we go the mortality of like these things like you know but they're just businesses and and you have they're real people behind it and you know those the memories will still be there but like nothing lasts forever that's right but I think for a lot of people except Nintendo network their plan and the ask box yeah well hundred year plan and like several you know enough so enough billions in the bank for a Nintendo they can basically they could have made no money off of the switch and they'd still only have 46 years to figure out how to make more money before they ran out of money like that was like one of the hysterical business analysis ever but it's also for a lot of people YouTube generation this may be the first time a lot of their favorite content disappeared and that's something that's a very kind of novel idea if you've if you're used to a video being posted at this scale on YouTube sure yeah on a place where it was easily accessible yeah it's not like you only have to wait three years until the show goes into reruns on some UHF channel you never watch except to watch the rerun of your favorite show that was on CBS NBC or ABC five years ago kind of like what we know the day's Simpsons will be canceled what if Simpsons was canceled feel like the feeling it would be if seasons canceled and the entire catalog Simpsons is no longer accessible who that's how that's that's kind of feels different than that you can get the entire Simpsons collection on DVD right UK this is even worse because it yeah it's abruptly on imagine if magically all of the copies of the DVDs and blueberries disappeared yeah that's yeah that's a serious kind of magic that's a no snaps his fingers that scary movie does made me watch dusted so do you have an iPhone not currently although I'm I'm rapidly as much as I don't want to pay the price of a new iPhone which is why I have a moto g6 right now I there's some profoundly frustrating things about Android that is actually has been thinking about just breaking down and buying a new iPhone well if you had an iPhone to be able to take part in Apple's new contest anybody who has an iPhone can take a picture I feel so excluded posted to Twitter soo tag it with shot on iPhone and your picture might end up on a billboard I see so many problems with this first of all good for them as a marketing exercise brilliant plan because I shot an iPhone ad campaign it's one of the most successful things they've done in years well yeah and in in terms of advertising and promoting their product right they took one of the killer functionalities of their phone your messaging being one photography being the other lady they have hundreds if not thousands people working on just the camera systems on their phones they know this is one of the reasons people upgrade and buy phones any smartphone for that matter they built an ad campaign about what people do and basically Aug cede their way into a into the next did they though cuz the first time who knew who knows where those photos came from they certainly I'm sure that they came from iPhone users but they weren't solicited they were not they found one flicker in many cases okay so how dated they were yeah people like remember Flickr yeah they would be credited on the yeah and you would find like Flickr lame yeah and they would be creative comments license or they'd reach out either way I've never heard of anyone who had their photo use being compensated and that is exactly the case here because only Fame they they're they're promising exposure for ten and amateur photographers or professional photographers and they have a panel of judges they're making this big contest campaign out of it I don't know that's a legal reason why they can't give sunny away a career I think it's just wrong for them not to offer any other incentive and just rely on quote unquote really knows your own good will how many how many shareware projects got sucked into like I'm thinking back going back to like OS six sake how many software how many shareware projects don't make a right okay yeah I'm not saying it's right but it's not like it's novel behavior from Apple so it the contest lasts from January 22nd two days ago three days ago has of this of this podcast to February 7th so it's a very short couple weeks I mean sure it's because the number of photos that would be submitted a lot is lot so one posted I was doing this aku's who's sitting through oh who are the who's if ting who's finding the photos unpaid intern right and they because there's a panel of judges including like awesome an and you can also each other you can also email the photo to the you know shot on iPhone and Apple comm it has to be named a certain way and it's your name in the title I hope that and you're an iPhone mock machine learning their buddies machine learning to pick out that I suppose also the other thing I have a problem just say from a technical aspect is this Twitter compress you're already non DSLR photo they won't use that one oh they'll reach out of course it will get your source and it just dig guess what that ones compressed as well because icon compresses your photo no no I think that they would probably reach out to you and get the good one it makes you shine the conch if you email it it has to be the raw one off your phone they don't need to reach out because by even using the hashtag and submitting you've followed their terms of usage for the contest and given up your right to commercially exploit your own photo for a year one year oh yeah and you give them a year is quite reasonable I would quite so you know I'm given the number of things where you give up your right in perpetuity or you give up oh no they gave up their rights in perpetuity I mean for Apple to use this photo marketing it's just that you give up the additional right for a year to sell your photo anywhere else yeah that's I mean I honestly don't the brights the right steals these days are usually so bad for creators that actually sounds only giving the the the revenue rights up for a year seems kind of reasonable by comparison I using Apple could at least throw in like MacBook Pros you know they only got like 150 billion dollars for the way it doesn't matter man it does if the idea and I know there's an argument for said you think creators should be compensated for their work you you really should not drink coffee well you're actually that's a very idealistic moment and I'm I'm fee I'm feeling nasty cynical right now but it's like when one of the crazy things is like just the the it's brutal and it's it's it's kind of pathetic so I'm sitting here like oh they're only taking away your right to make a living off of that photo for a year is so reasonable by the standards of these things most of these things are like you know again they're like sixties records contracts where it's like you know we're gonna make you famous kid but you're gonna always six albums 90% of the revenue and 50% of your tour merch you know it's like I agree everybody people should be paid for their work but like look Apple in this ramen argument here that is that oh if you if you offer up money then professionals will want to do this and it'll take away from the amateur aspect of the whole campaigns amateur photographers know you're you're still there's so many people who are and the line between amateur and pro is is so thin now and if the idea is to celebrate the work of people who are using your products and love your products in an interesting way you know give back a little bit even just a gear right like you don't use Lightroom use whatever aperture but give a MacBook Pro so they can become professional photographers this I mean this is also a classic Apple moment where it's you know they're so big and so important and they are so you know self actualized in their own perverse way that why would anybody want anything other than our blessing to know that their photography is considered good enough for you guys you guys are being too hard on this they look Apple does not care about ten MacBook Pros they don't even know they that's a truth they wouldn't notice that inventory they wouldn't even know what a proper rule award would be like it should be not an excuse ten thousand dollars that means nothing to us they do know exactly what the word should be because they paid their marketing companies and their advertising pay license fees when they license photos and when they pay summit ographers to make what I'm saying is them it's not a money issue apples not being frugal here and cheap they just they'd haven't done it for whatever reason and I don't think that it's necessarily bad if I would submitted a photo to Twitter shot on iPhone and it ended up on a billboard I'd be proud as heck I'd show the thing off to all my friends and that would be the end of it you know it's not a huge deal they don't if they're not gonna do that they're not going to do it and this doesn't change anything at my problem it's a missed opportunity is that they allow you to edit the photos you can edit all you want in Lightroom in Photoshop wherever you may can't track another thing with the Twitter thing is how they know this is their exif data on the compressed Twitter image that let you know it was shot from iPhone I would love for the winner for this to be shot on Android and Apple not realizing it you could love that that would be the the equivalent of the tweeted on iPhone for photos just edit the metadata yes like recently my bag for my a6000 well you can go on Twitter search for the hashtag there's already some pretty damn good photos out there nothing I can compete with that's and that's the real success of this campaign it's to spread that hashtag and I will be doing that because it's a good point why I want to check out what other people have photographed on the iPhone get some inspiration it always blows me away what some people managed to pull off with any camera anywhere anytime yeah yeah okay let's uh quickly go through the rest of the news cuz we were running a little bit low on time Microsoft couple bits of news from there yeah speaking of phones and they've kind of given up on Windows Phone and there are others telling users hey switches iOS there's a support Detroit this is a sport document that says switch to iOS or Android that's the solution to your problem yeah if you have a window a Windows Phone they will it will stop receiving security updates this year December 10th you know they get props for having supported the platform for as long as they have ok how diligent do you think that security personnel is gonna be between now and December 10th pretty diligent if they ever want to continue working for any of the departments that are growing Microsoft so the other news is that Microsoft also is selling a cheaper version of their stylist now it's targeted for the surface go which was the cheap version of the surface in different classrooms last year kind of a competitor to what Apple did with their education version of the iPad and discount pricing layer and also that Logitech's Apple pencil alternative except this one is the Microsoft classroom prayer pen still first-party and you can only buy it in packs of 20 sold exclusively to education institutions forty bucks per and for a pack of 20 so $800 for a pack of 20 and the cool thing though is that it will work with other surface devices so really it is Microsoft wanting to get surface into the classroom into colleges and and I think you know if you if you walk around there's I see a lot more surface laptops your pros I'm a big fan of using one right now then then I did previously in San Francisco San Francisco okay because they're still compared to entry-level ultrabooks Angelo ultra the East Bay the story changes a lot you know the base iPad pro is like $1000 iPad pro yeah I was surprised by that I thought was like in the hundreds cuz I have not been paying attention no they raised a price because they made a more premium actually an Amazon just had a sale on those jars off but whatever the bravest news story this week the bravest thing done meizu yeah Chinese smartphone company uh-huh has now made a smartphone with no ports whatsoever so brave so brave it's a Ville talk so not only does it not have a headphone jack mm-hmm it doesn't even have a charging port mm-hmm or a speaker grill or a SIM card slot no speaker speaker bluetooth why not it's so oh my gosh okay all it has is a pinhole for a microphone and a pinhole for a hard reset I do love the fact that they have to leave the pen do they couldn't figure out a way to get rid of yeah I know for the hardware yeah you charge it wirelessly bluetooth 5.0 for wires and wirelessly USB connectivity and the screen will actually act as a speaker Allah Sony's televisions where the glass radiates it does yeah I don't think it's TV so you can use it and set right but there is no no holes so brave now no wait a minute is it a like a phone speaker or is it like a speakerphone speaker it is it is a it is it is the speaker for the phone yeah is actually the screen that you hold to your ear or that you have a speakerphone I haven't used it yet myself but it sounds like you hold the to your ear okay but basically or you know instead of having speaker holes it the actual screen vibrates to move airwaves towards your balls fascinating I think it's a little bit extreme but they're going this far end as a demonstration of technology and it will be I guess for sales call to zero and wireless usb as fast as USB 3 yeah I think this is as far-fetched as the sound and a silly sound I would not be surprised if this is a path the Apple takes not maybe not all the way to pull more than one a Miss Bucharest Bucharest but like no charge port yeah he's probably next thing to go headphone jack then charge brokers once they figure out that the air pad situation whatever it's called the charge pad situation wireless charging at scale it's for them it probably makes no sense is that money on the table though because they get royalties every time somebody includes a license oh yeah lighting adapter yeah though they'll get royalties off the charging devices or maybe they wasn't licensed the charging device is out for a while and they'll make more money on the charging devices than they do on the cables I have faith and in Apple's ability to make money yeah I mean although I but that said you know they they're their sales are down they've wall street kind of kicked him in the teeth recently I mean part of its crazy for me about this this phone is like the companies the companies like launching in retail in China but so few Chinese carriers support assumes that they literally they're they're gated by the number of carriers that can actually support the built in sim technology that probably is next thing they go the SIM card no no think about before the the charging port but it we're we're moving closer and closer Amazon you can't get away from Amazon yet story the Gizmodo one of the writers tried to live without any Amazon services touching her her life experiences and it's not possible nepali Amazon s3 everywhere like oh you can't get away from it yeah yeah I mean stop using Amazon Prime pretty quickly but well Amazon will students soon be chasing you down the street with their scout robot that they're now testing in where is this in Washington oh it's cute let's put some googly eyes on okay yes that's the let's uh and it's battery power robot that will safely deal with obstacles like pedestrians and pets and Dylan and drop in some and deliver some packages pop it slid open and drop out of Amazon box all I can think of is is people with crowbars figuring out how to pop those things oh I how long is he good how long before the security flaw shows up or the physical flaw shows up and people start ripping those off Amazon is completely oblivious to criminal activity I don't think they're oblivious they are doing it they would have designed their to courier system the way that it did that they have received so little training on where how to leave packages no no no no no I think they're fully aware of it I don't think they care because of the volume that they do you misunderstand me sir I mean their solution is to get in your home right their solution is to have you use their car locking system their garage door opening system your do it yeah yeah that amount of convenient I mean in I mean it's also I mean it's it's always funny to see different sort of weird evolutions in Amazon's delivery because my personal favorite was still when they started having you know drivers or warehouse workers I guess would optionally be able or they just hired really inexpensive opportunities to hire really it just I just remember like a like a like a Honda of a certain age missing a certain amount of its paint screeched to a stop in front of my house the window is down and somebody yelled out are you Norton and I'm sitting here and I'm like full flight or fight mode in like seconds cuz it was really aggressive and I'm like yeah and literally an Amazon package flew out of the window hit me on the chest I caught it before he hit the ground and they took off and I was just like that happened that just happened and I really wish so there's certainly on the cutting edge of figuring out how to reduce shipment costs that's right they are good at that all right a little bit of fun story we got some thoughts from John Carmack on Twitter he pontificates from time to time with interesting experiment ideas things he's been thinking about and recently audio is something he's been thinking about not necessarily as it pertains to VR but classic video games he tweeted it would be interesting to see experimental audio only upgrades to classic games to probe how much impact can be made especially essentially given the unlimited quality and diversity huh then dice music playback Pac Man for attention and I would answer there is already a pacman version that has really great music and that's like the pac-man Championship Edition yeah but he's talking about same graphics I imagine he's talking about same gameplay same controls same graphics just upgraded audio and what type of audio is on my positional audio or just like would I just want to sound try to the Valkyries every time pac-man needs a power pellet sky's the limit you know he talks about he talks about a dynamic soundtrack so it would change based on how many ghosts are blue based on you know who's close to you you know based on how how far away you are from the last pellet things like that to amp it up amp up the drama at that point it would be the disassociation would be that the graphics are so low fidelity yeah that why not just make it look a little bit better like that would but anything I think for him this is like a Gedanken experiment where he's he's looking at somebody who has been classically obsessed with visuals and don't get me wrong like going back to quake I have happy things to say about the horrible sound effects in the man's games but I think he's you know I don't know if he was you know was he sitting in a movie one day and realizing that he wasn't really responding to the images but he was responding to the soundtrack and then he starts pulling that into the game being universe I mean it's a really it's a really curious concept I would say Tetris effect that's your answer right there same visuals do you know what it's same gameplay same gameplay but sound is a huge part yes that's true and so but imagine that sound on the Gameboy so is he is he asking about there has to be an upgrade like the exact same experience except for audio I'm imagining and I think it's an interesting this interesting thought experiment you know because there are a lot of great games defender you know tempest robe Tron I wonder what they would sound like with some upgraded audio like completely sky's the limit audio so who's the unbiased tester news is someone who's never played the game yet that's actually shouldn't be that hard to find so for them it would just be like they would just see that disconnect between the image laboratory testing like full-on college you know graduate program where they yank and a bunch of people have you ever played this video game you identify this you know and then if they say no then they go in and they you know they they strap them into an EKG and you know have them play the game I bet he's got a point because music does it's like they say with with movies and audio is 70% of what you see you know I think that they have the same experience with games it's Emmy I don't think steveland and Mike mica are the target audience for this kind of thing you know I mean I think I'll there's a lot of purists who would be offended by this absolutely and there's a nice synergy between the crunchy sound effects with the 80s with the graphics yes yes I'm wondering in the same vein like if you take this thought experiment and a step further what's the other thing if you just improve the visuals but have the chinking gameplay or Warwick's out here the same B's keep the same gameplay keep the same audio and just improve the controls like smooth out higher framerate more responsive but I think classic games like arcade games in particular were designed around the controls I don't think it came it was game first mmm you know that they're so well tuned to one another I think that the trick is to actually is remaking the controls themselves got it okay onto more music Spotify think they just had just launched this they finally out of the feature lets you mute artists Bilardo needs are so bad what does that mean it means when you like user discovery algorithm and to put is never see or Kelly exactly yeah I wonder could you generate a compelling enough radio like a algorithm you generated playlists but just telling them the artists that you don't like artists makers you probably do I mean that's one of the things looking at in title and Spotify Spotify is like title finally added like we made a list for you and it's certainly what was always amazed me about Spotify is how good it was introducing me to artists that I'd never heard of mmm but would enjoy versus title which is like this is a mishmash of stuff you basically already listen to and we're just smart enough to know that you listen to this already and we threw it in here Europe you care about audio qualities isn't that's a huge factor in the title subscription I imagine no I got the title subscription because it's such a big deal to so many people what I what I'm dealing with with with audio companies like you know a lot of Spotify it's it's only you know it's just like back off do you like blind a be test me and tell me the difference between the 300 megabit per second back a bit the 300 kilobit per second Spotify versus the title lossless and I think in many cases unless it's in a perfect testing environment they're not going to tell the difference but you could I don't even think I can unless I don't know I it's part of its this stuff's so hard to a/b in the way we process audio is really difficult I'm just saying like titles titles titles got like two tricks it's got lossless audio which appeals to audio files and it has a bunch of exclusive relationships with artists because of the ownership but so much of the actual like like ruined labs basically exists because title is such a piece of crap to work with you know in terms of the interface on the phones and stuff I just I think Spotify in terms of experience in finding music Spotify is so much better than title and this is I mean it's internet occurred to me that they they didn't allow you to block artists but I think about artists I'd like to block all the time on title because its title is in so many ways this weird like you just opened up title and we're gonna tell you about this album you didn't listen to the first 12 times we told you about it but we still have this advertising contract for this artist so we're gonna tell you about this artist you don't listen to and you've never listened to anything in this genre but this artist you know I mean versus Spotify which seems to always manage to find me new and interesting things to listen to that's my comment that's my thought is that isn't if you have to block an artist isn't that a failing of their algorithm to begin with that it's even suggesting you something - yeah go as far as yes but I don't think any algorithms can be perfect because the algorithms are because it's so subjective right you cannot like an artist yeah like you mention our Kelly we don't listen our Kelly for reasons not related to his music and so maybe would like to mute him you were a huge Drake fan and you were at CES and you got tickets for the Drake Show and Drake showed up like two and a half hours late played for 30 minutes you were so pissed off here someone here Drake for a while lock the Spotify also is rumored to finally be releasing a physical device in car player which people think will be $100 apparently some Spotify users were presented with an ad a pre-order ad in their apps last year teasing this player but the hell is this so it's a dedicated playback device that connects over Bluetooth to your cars and so you could play Spotify as opposed to using your phone and you pay increase subscription fee I got $13 a month subscription fee to get 4G connectivity and play music oh it's it's Internet connected wasn't there supposed to be my tea I don't know I mean my tea was one that's supposed to be like except laughing is this thing I've never actually seen one in the real world but my tea be mighty calm they've been talking about like it is a it is a digital audio player for Spotify yeah I mean and that is exactly what it is and it goes show that like even though you have the one device that does everything my phone your phone sometimes it's better to have discrete devices just for the users versus really good you know discreet devices especially for for streaming Spotify and title and stuff that have come out in the last year from fiyo and and some other companies and it's a stopgap for them not having relationships with car companies to build the service into the car companies into the cars themselves well but that's built into the operating systems of the phones that people connect to their cars yeah yeah I don't know I'm still blue - just get it blessed by car play and app you know Android auto and then it's practically a native app then you got to work through Apple then you got to pay them fees do you I always wondered about them I would be shocked if you didn't especially in the universe with Apple music yeah speaking of come car news Tesla let's go back to some Tesla news Tesla increase their supercharger prices makes it a little less competitive then in some places where gas is cheap in the country there's enough backlash on this that Tesla then back down and while the prices are still higher they met somewhere in the middle and their explanation for Tesla is that from Tesla is that this price increase is to help expand the supercharger network but this also comes on news that Tesla has been is planning on laying off some of their employees I significant portion of the workforce to maintain profitability and and growth because they're expected to launch a couple new cars next year - interesting that there's so much more Tesla news on our podcasts in the past few months norm specially since last April that's interesting yeah it's been popping up in my Google feed that's weird last bit of test the news was I promise Elon tweeted that 360 or century mode will soon be unveiled what's that it's a what people are hoping there's no details no confirmation yet it's a 360 camera mode so that while you're Park you can leave the camera on and record everything happening around your car huh for people who may be damaging your car ooh a century record dashcam but using all the cameras around the car sounds like James Bond I mean there's gonna be advance summon mode that's coming out soon and that will be right out of the James Bond that's on the defensive mower you drive the car with your phone you can turn and not just go forward backward you mean like in a garage right now yeah right now you can go forward or backward with summon mode yeah but now with the advance summon mode theoretically you can actually turn if somebody attacks your car and it's using sentry mode yes will it alert you I don't think so it should should give you a feed give you a power to talk to the criminals that's that's way too advanced I think it's gonna be just video recording and you know your mileage may vary depending where you live whether you can actually get the cops to do anything about it yeah Honda is going to be showing off its new Eevee at the Geneva Motor Show in March this is their urban Eevee and it doesn't look like the Civic it kind of looks a little bulbous a little it's not gonna look like this that's what that's the official honda sketch uh-huh it kind of looks like a a wally era robot the eyes are perfectly circular Leslie a bumper car actually yeah I don't Eevee's don't need to look so different right don't you know hater no there's no reason that stand out and say look at me I'm an Eevee split on what the cars kind of feel like they should I'm afraid I'm afraid of change how do you feel how do you feel about Eevee is patrick norton you're kind of a i seee man right I love my diesel truck is you know what as soon as I can figure out a way to man but you're also a technophile how do you how do those two clash sometimes you just want to eat expletive to run which is why a lot of people I know still run Windows 7 because they don't have to do Windows 10 creating complications in their life no I it's I I apologize I can't think of the man's name but he lives in the East Bay and he's the guy who figured out he reversed engineered essentially the systems to allow you to do things like reset the controls the for Tesla's after they've been through an accident right because Tesla basically as soon as a car has an accident they basically want to disappear in a black hole they don't want to sell parts they don't want it they want you to basically like make the car disappear and produce a new one because they have some long-term issues there's whatever Tesla's complicated but he has been he teaches people how to he reverse engineered the the connection into to be able to remote connecting to the the car and upgrade the firmware and resound sensors and rebuild them and you know he's got this crazy I want to say it's the motor from X and I think he plans on repurposing it into a motor for a sprinter which means it has a lot of torque I would love a flat torque curve which you get from an electric engine I would love you know any of a number of the electric motors that are available but currently it would be difficult for the charging environment I have and the type of travel I do you can soon as I get to the point where where I can like swap a battery pack out of my truck you know at the local whatever it's called you know mean like or I can supercharge a truck it'll be really really tempting but for a lot of stuff I do like I can easily get a hundred miles from you know a town or a highway so you know to have a the range I need is really difficult to replace electricity currently so it's not about a deep-seated love smelling gasoline I love the smell of gasoline I also I love the flat torque curve is a lot more you know obscene and delightful to me than the smell of 116 octane racing good but it's also the expense of an electric vehicle right now yeah is prohibitive and kind of brutal especially its early days yeah but it's you know my opponents are like you know they're killing the electric car it's like no dude like if the average family of four in the United States lives on like 40 or 50 grand a year paying an extra $13,000 for an electric car is a brutal and difficult thing you know I mean so like I would love you know as soon as the the gigafactory scales up and everybody has cheap batteries you know I'll be happy to figure out how to put the electric engine in my car I also want to see Tesla's you know what they look like when they're seven or eight years old at this point because they they seem to be either amazing or nightmarish and I know like two or three people personally who have had to have wheel motors swapped on Tesla Model S's and that just seems really expensive to amortize into the cost of a vehicle they're producing you know the model three seem to be better except one friend of mine with the model three I think 20% of his ownership time it's been in the shop for repairs so you know I'm curious and excited and I want to see Tesla succeed in the worst possible way but I don't have the money to help them do that right now awesome all right I think we are out of time out of time on the podcast unfortunately so we're gonna not do a full via or a minute I will give a recommendation a variety has a story about what happened with meta the a our company that we checked out for two years ago now and they had a they're basically a bankrupt and no I mean it's it's sold it's a failed company unfortunately and so as the AR is very hard and even though you know they had a big TED talk and a second-generation product it's not easy to figure this out we're still very very early days and there'll be a lot of failure before yeah I have successes they'll early fail often yep I think that's it Patrick sir where can people find you and what going Alma tech thing oh man we did two weeks of CES coverage and we've got a review of a product I can't talk about coming out next week but what kind of product a computer and actually Shannon it's a bunch you get Linux running on a huawei mate book X this week and talks about about how much better a laptop support is for Linux these days and actually some of the performance issues so you may not have to buy a specific Linux branded notebook anymore we got pretty geeky on that one very cool and people can find you on twitter at Patrick Norton yes please alrighty Jeremy yes do you want an outro I do want an outro what is uh what is your Twitter handle Jim attention you are at jarowair slower and we got some fun videos on the site if you haven't checked it out yet we're starting to release our series that Adam did with Terry English which he spent two weeks learning to build Arthurian armor out of aluminum just like the film Excalibur so that's on our youtube channel as well we also have some test videos Sean reviewed trommel's new 3d printer and we have some how to's about making SLA queuing stations coming out soon you have a headphone yes the Sony headphone Roo the 1000 XM threes which I love very much although as I say in the review I don't solely use those because I also if I am NOT traveling I have my hi-fi man said I really like these are noise cancelling headphones active noise canceling headphones Patrick are you down with active noise canceling I have a pair of son Heiser's in my bag the 900s are from Sony are amazing and sometimes they show up for well under $200 at Costco if you want to get an amazing bargain and a very very well performing headphone that was the surprising thing for me the active noise-cancelling I've gotten to a point where you're not sacrificing audio quality and you're not getting like a low hum I think Bose has kind of has everybody thinking that that using active noise cancelling and there's active in terms of about killing noise it's amazing but their musical quality is kind of crappy I like the sound of the Sony's yeah they're really good expensive though I found mine on eBay and they do go and sale occasionally all right that does it and we do have an outro Jeremy from mad cat is out Row 3 tick tock dick I want to say tock tick tock tick tick tock tock tick tick tock tick tock tock oh my god that was pretty awesome I think this episode will be ripe for outro material if you want to make an outro you can just search tested podcast outro head to the site and you can download the template uploaded SoundCloud posts in the kala forums or just email it to me a normative test calm and we'll play one in the future thanks for listening we'll see you next time and we're out TRO\n"