Apple's Latest Moves: A Mop-Up Operation?

Apple isn't launching any new products, but that doesn't mean they're not making waves in the tech industry. Behind the scenes, Apple Insider was talking about the company's efforts to expand their services to as many platforms as possible. One such effort is the integration of Apple Music on PlayStation 5 and the upcoming launch of Apple TV Plus on Comcast.

But are these moves a big deal? Wes doesn't think so. He believes that this is just Apple trying to get more people to subscribe to their services. "I don't know, I think this is part of Apple's goal to put all of their services on as many screens as they possibly can," Wes says. "With the Comcast deal, it's big because it's Apple TV Plus on Comcast televisions." However, he notes that it's not going to be a free service for long. It will likely become an add-on purchase through your Comcast subscription.

But why is this move significant? According to one of our team members, who shall remain anonymous, "They don't have to worry about exhausting all the people they can possibly get through their regular Apple Music offering." This is because Apple has a war chest of money that allows them to release products and services without having to make a huge splash from day one. The original Apple Watch, for example, was underpowered and didn't do much. But with the company's financial muscle behind it, they were able to rebrand it as a health accessory and make it successful.

This same approach is being applied to Apple TV Plus. With its vast budget and ability to sustain production costs over time, Apple can release new content slowly and steadily, without having to rush into it. And when it does launch, it will likely be well-received by critics and consumers alike. As one team member notes, "They might be late to something, but they get there eventually and do it right in the end."

The MacBook Pro Dilemma: A Team Effort

One of our team members recently found themselves in a difficult decision-making process when choosing a new MacBook Pro. With 77 possible configurations to choose from, it was a daunting task. But with the help of his colleagues, he was able to narrow down the options and make a decision that worked for him.

"I got it down to one," our team member says, "and then you got me down to a different one." The process may have taken some time, but in the end, they were both satisfied with their choices. And as for the rest of us? We'll just have to wait and see how the new MacBook Pros turn out.

The Future of Apple: A Bright Horizon

As we look ahead to the future, it's clear that Apple is committed to expanding its reach and making its services available to even more people. With the launch of Apple TV Plus on Comcast, they're taking a major step in the right direction. And with their financial muscle behind them, they'll be able to make it happen.

So what does this mean for Apple fans? It means that we can expect to see even more innovative products and services from the company in the months and years to come. And as always, our team will be here to guide you through it all, providing expert advice and analysis on all things Apple.

In conclusion, Apple's latest moves may seem like a mop-up operation at first glance, but they're actually just part of the company's long-term strategy to expand its reach and make its services available to everyone. With their financial muscle behind them, Apple is well-positioned for success in the years to come. And as always, we'll be here to help you navigate it all.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello welcome to Apple Insider this episode is brought to you by coin Bay sock. comic backup vpls and regular host Steven robis will tell you why throughout the show now that will be because this is the show where Steven takes a holiday and apple does not as we record this apple is giggling all the way to the bank again having broken all of its earnings records let's just say they've taken in $ 83.4 billion in the September quarter and that's before they get to count all that you and I have spent on the new Macbook Pro don't go there don't think about that move on hello I'm William Gallagher sitting in for Steven and taking this chance to bring on someone I want to question I'd say interrogate but he might hear me so Mike worthily from Apple Insider welcome to the podcast hello hello this is my whopping second appearance on the Apple Insider podcast since I've been here for five and a half years yeah we'll let you back eventually um I actually wanted you on this week for a really key reason this episode is not going to be all about the MacBook Pro but it is not going to start with the MacBook Pro because of your review of it I mean I read everybody's review like everybody else I watched all the reviews read all the videos possibly the other way around followed everything listened to podcast the lot and then I read your epic about it and I'm going through this thinking how did I not know this how did he find out that I'm by the end I'm starting to think this man has a secret laboratory somewhere and then at the very end you reveal yes you do it turns out I do but we'll talk more about that at the end of talking about the MacBook Pro I have done I want to say at this point I've done 20 pieces of Apple Hardware reviews for Apple Insider um I've done a couple of MacBook Pros done a bunch of iPhones done a bunch of iPads and this one was honestly I think was the hardest one I've done um not because of Any technical challenge or anything like that because Apple has now been using Rosetta for Intel software for a long time this is not the first version of Mac OS to use apple silicon but it was hard because this is a flagship this is the first pro incarnation of Apple silicon and this is the one that sets the table for the future consumer Apple silicon versus Pro and prosumer apple silicon just path that we're going to see over time it's still an M1 machine originally they said it was going to be the m1x it's it's obviously not and we've talked about that at some length we've already talked about here on this podcast not myself personally but we've already talked about about M1 Pro versus M1 Max we're not going to delve into that too much the hardware is impressive and there have been a couple of Macs over my life that I've been excited about and there have been a couple Macs I haven't been excited about the 2012 reum MacBook Pro for instance I was excited about I was not excited about the 2016 but I bought one anyway because my 2012 was getting a little crusty I could not get rid of that one fast enough it was a good machine it was not what I needed it to be it was a good marker for the future so I got a 2018 I9 uh and I was pretty happy with that machine in fact I wrote about three years with it just a couple months ago sorry 2018 one that would have been the butterfly keyboard of Doom but you were still well the 2016 the 2016 and the 2018 were both the butterfly keyboard of Doom I have never had a problem with the butterfly keyboard I I I am I'm not saying that to say well if I've never had a problem then no one ever has because it's very clear that people have had a problem with that keyboard and we have the numbers to prove it but that keyboard never really bothered me it that said the 16-in MacBook Pro from two years ago fixed the keyboard right completely and the and this new machine has it as well but going back to the original point when I sat down with this machine I expected it to be okay well this is just going to be another slightly fancier iteration of what I've been using for the last five years that was the initial that was having written about it during release and everything else that was how I rolled into that review but in conjunction with the Department defense testing lab with and some folks that I've known for over 20 years because I've access now and they gave me access to that lab I got to use the machine for a week before we wrote the review um and before we publish the review and over that week I started finding more and more things about it that are refinements or improvements or Replacements that I really really liked so I mean the long story short on this review before Williams starts to interrogate me and yes I heard you oh yeah is I decided that I like this machine enough that when they started becoming available in Apple stores on Tuesday I put in a courier order for $9 I had one at my door six hours later to replace the 2018 that I was planning on flying into the ground 9 was the cost of The Courier it wasn't incredible yeah okay well it was a combination of a really good deal on a tradein which I don't normally do a temporary price increase on a tradein that probably pushed me over the edge on that um it does not hurt that my egpu stuff I I am now disseminating and selling to folks and ultimately because of that egpu and the absolutely ridiculous GPU card market right now is I will probably about Break Even when all said and done tell you I I've never used GB you're saying the market is it's crazy good or crazy bad well right now the Bitcoin miners are still taking most of the the PCI GPU cards for mining various cryptocurrencies um I've been lucky and the video cards that I bought I have purchased at retail and at retail cost mind you not inflated retail but so like the card that I just pulled out of there uh it wasn't even a high-end card it I sold it for over, dollars which is considering the retail price of the card is $450 it's a hell of a thing okay this is I feel I shouldn't question that but uh so I do remember you very clearly saying that you would drive your MacBook Pro into the ground before you changed again and I took you to mean that you liked it a lot it was doing well uh but now you have overnight changed it's the 2018 model was the solidity that I wanted from the 2016 the the 2016 I'm not going to say it felt smashed together because it didn't feel smashed together it was a decent machine but it was hot and it was loud the 2018 was still loud but not as loud was still hot but not as hot so with the Thunderbolt and I've always loved Thunderbolt just as a connector with the Thunderbolt snaking all over this small office which many of you have seen in the various desk pieces that we've done I was able to with one or two cables or three cables in some instances connect everything I needed to run this dizzying array of monitors in front of me during events like earnings later today and and just keep an eye on everything off one machine but now this 2016 machine right now to test for this podcast I wanted to see if I could get the fans to spin up so they would be detectable on this microphone so right now I have three 4K monitors attached to this machine and the fans aren't running and if they are running they're running they're running so slowly I can't hear them is that not sort of distracting in a strange way it very much has been uh I'm accustomed to a low-level drone during the day just from assorted fans and between the 2016 excuse me between the 2018 coming off my desk and egpu coming off my desk there were a couple times yesterday during production like okay what's missing what what's wrong what is not working right and it's just one of my last acoustical troubleshooting methods is now gone for better and For Worse is there's no fans we've got to get those fans going what can we do in the next few minutes to get those fans oh I have a desk I mean it's I I I'm not going to start rendering video during this podcast it was just a intellectual exercise I started before the recording and it just you know just didn't work out which is okay well actually you say this I mean we we mentioned the secret laboratory you've revealed that is Department of Defense the thing that got me I I mean nobody else takes a Macbook into the department defense for you isn't that Overkill at all the Department of Defense does a lot of radio frequency testing their own radio frequency testing on gear I'm I'm not going to delve into what exactly sure they do but they if Apple comes out with something they do RF testing on it they do an other assorted test which I'm also not going to delve into um I do Consulting for the dod still and that is one aspect of how I can get into that lab I mean the other is I know a guy but that's you know combine things getting into that so that has given me the flexibility despite not having support from Apple on review products uh to get these reviews up quickly without just a day with the hardware and that's why for the last several years that's why for the last several years you've seen a situation where there's been the the YouTubers who get like one of each color we'll publish their reviews a couple days before the release and then we will publish a review day of or the day after or the day after that of one of the products because that's all I've been able to use I haven't been able to use the whole lineup I've been able to use one of them like this review that I wrote for Tuesday is very specifically the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max processor it's very specifically that because that is the only thing that I had access to for that week I enjoy the YouTube videos of Many Colors um I enjoy the I enjoy the boxing videos I'll admit it now but I don't really care about them I don't feel like they help with my purchase decision or whatever what I like about yours is uh the level of detail I mean you and I differing that you're very much a harder guy I'm very much a software guy so there are lots of things you just don't cover that I want to know but you get into things like um it's a temperature test of it and I've heard other people say uh the new one doesn't get hot but you say exactly how hot and where there are certain keys aren't there that get warmer than others yeah I've got a background of nuclear power and I don't think that I would do it any other way I don't have a problem with YouTubers and I don't have a problem with apple giving preference to YouTubers because they're flashy they each have their own audiences they know how to cater to those audiences I do I don't personally get anything out of them other than hey that's really cool but maybe that's all they need maybe that's all they want it's like I have said on Apple Insider and editorials and things is there's no one true workflow and likewise there is no one true opinion on these machines or how to promote them or how to review them or anything like that well that's my opinion and my workflow that's the wrong uh that matters for me yeah well here's the thing with that right is we have folks coming in looking reviews saying well that's not my experience and I disagree with your opinion and here's why and that's okay but the key to reviewers is find finding a reviewer who has opinions and viewpoints and workflows most similar to your own and then you trust that reviewer's opinion on other things as opposed to just finding you know somebody off the street who writes a review about something and getting upset that they didn't validate your opinion on something so I I I I get where people say well this review doesn't work for me and that's fine there find a reviewer that does work for you and stick with them I I'm sure I am not everyone's I don't think everyone needs to know where the hot spot on the keyboard is or what particular temperature that is and if you don't like that that's okay it it doesn't make it a bad review it just makes it include data that you don't necessarily want or need but this this is the kind of discussion I used to go through uh on radio times like the UK's equivalent of TV Guide where we talk about reviewers and you're doing television drama and things it's all subjective you hope a reviewer of course has their opinion and also has some knowledge and background to back it up and you hope they're interested in writing but you you come in expecting it to be subjective whereas with technology I think there's more of a feeling of it's a machine there are things it can do so a reviewer should be able to talk about more but you saying even in this case it is irre irrevocably personal it has to be we at Apple Insider we do a couple different things we do the versus pieces which have very light opinion in them very very light opinion in them but they are focused on on the the gigabytes and the gigahertz and the refresh rates and all of the specs associated with different machines and there's very little beyond that it it's it's something we get asked for a lot but that's not to be confused with a review which is about how the reviewer uses the product and incorporates it into their everyday life so both have a place and there is some overlap between the two but you really as far as the tech goes that's why we started doing the versus pieces a couple years ago because we had people who just wanted the spec topec comparison and there are people who just want to know how Andrew or I or you use a particular product in your daily lives it if I could if I had the financial ability to do so I would have everyone an apple Insider do a review of the MacBook Pro or the iPhone or the iPad because people like to think that we're this monolithic operation with in a big Warehouse that's dark and we all have brown robes on and there's a bare 60 watt bulb hanging from the ceiling and and that's not the case we we have debates all the time on what to cover and how to cover and why to cover and you know in the mornings I'll get pitches from the morning crew like you William or Malcolm and they'll say well I want to cover this and I'll look at it and say no we're not doing that and then you'll give me a pitch why we should and I'll say okay that makes more sense go ahead and I won't particularly think it's worth covering but you just gave me a convincing pitch on why we as Apple insiders should cover that all right that's true that's so yes this is not a monolithic operation where we get together and talk about focus and we talk about how we're going to present something or or anything like that there will be discuss people will say hey Mike when you do this review can you talk about X thing and I'll say yes or I'll say no get stuffed and but you know that's about the extent Place really yeah yeah oh yeah we get along fine it it it's but just from a from and just from presentation standpoint we don't have like an editorial board per se and I like it that way I prefer it that way the thing I like is uh that same difference uh we have Amber for example who I will always listen to about anything Adobe does because she has that art background Malcolm I always think of Malcolm when a games topic comes up you I think of always for hardware and things and quite often that means I'm not sorry that interested because specifications don't tend to mean a lot to me um I need to use it but that's actually why I think I was particularly taken with this review because it was vastly more detailed about Hardware than I would ever be able to do but you presented it in such a compelling interesting way and also it was different to everybody else's view so I love that freshness of it the only thing is you did not convince me to get a 16-inch MacBook Pro when clearly the 14 is better I mean clearly come on the 14 is better for you the if I did a lot more traveling than I do I think I was going to go for the 14 and I did consider the 14 just based on the Periodic traveling that I do but I ultimately decided that the extra pound that the machine weighed and the very small amount of extra space it would take in the bag it was worth it to have the larger screen I had to take some travel unexpectedly recently to get some work done away from this desk and I brought my 15.4 along and I brought my iPad Pro along and versus the Monitor that's sitting here right in front of me as I'm watching the waveform bounce as we record this and watching the Apple Insider slack Channel and feeds that are rolling by I felt like I was working through a cardboard tube just because I'm accustomed to a larger monitor at home and this monitor feels much much bigger than my 15-inch MacBook Pro did which was the decision why I I did not see a point in buying a machine that was not an improvement over my old one in every possible way yeah I'm just I'm struck by that description of it the tiny bit bigger to carry around the small extra size of it whereas to me the 16 in it's a it's a boat isn't it compared to the 14 just find enormous let's go over what's in my tech bag right when I I have a Tech backpack I forget the brand of it but it's a it's a midline brand it's nobody fancy it's got my MacBook Pro in it it's got probably a dozen Chargers it's got a iPad Pro it's got 12.9 in iPad Pro in there it's got a set of headphones it's got probably a book it's got my Apple watch charger it's it's already got it's already 18 LBS or something like that with everything that's in it including the way of the bag what's 18.8 pounds okay I just I know in use it feels heavier than the specifications and and I used to love my 17inch PowerBook but I never traveled with it it was the one on the desk forever so shapping around day maybe it's the type of traveling I do constantly up and down and back moving or I'm just weaker than you are that could be it couldn't it right I don't think that's it if if I had to do something where lightweight and speed was 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process there helped by your Tweet of dismay but tweet of dismay yes let's not move on from mine comes in December you got yours later that afternoon and things I I did my my original configuration I was going to do a configured order with 512 gig of storage versus the one terabyte because I don't really I've got a vast amount of network storage in the house I have my own local cloud I've got a Synology that I use and the um I don't really need a ton of local storage so I was going to save a little bit of money and do that but like you this is going to be oh hey you're going to get it on December 19th and I'm like how about not so originally that cemented my desire to drive my my 2018 into the ground because that was the plan but then I had The Misfortune or Fortune of using the machine and and just thought about it on a whim on Tuesday morning but I wonder if I can get one at the local Apple Store turns out yes so if you don't need a custom configuration your local Apple Store still has some and you should probably check I was in an Apple store here in the UK yesterday picking up a birthday present from White an Apple Watch and mentioned that I wanted to try out app press and their faces lit up um any chance you've ordered the base spec because we got loads of those you can have one of those and then their face kind of what's the opposite of lit up kind of dimmed down when I said no I'd wanted more hard space and all this it does seem like supplies in stores are better than it looked like they were going to be supplies and stores are limited to a couple of key configurations like if you're looking at you know I really need four terabytes of SSD you're out of luck that's a configured order spec or you know that 24 cord GPU sure looks better and I don't want to pay for the 32 yeah you're going to wait on that too but if you have of the retail skus which are basically if you go to apple.com and you don't fiddle with any dials you just pick one of those configurations you can probably get one of those at the Apple Store today Apple retail today I did that I was going through it I thought I cannot understand what have I done suddenly the delivery date was two weeks later or something and event I found out I hadn't changed any what you call the machine specs but right at the bottom of the build to order page where Apple keeps trying to P you to buy logic pro and Final Cut Pro I'd accidentally clicked on Final Pro Final Cut Pro and that addition added two weeks uh to it which is a shame because I already got Final Cup C but yeah you already have it right and loving it okay um I did say this wasn't supposed to be all about the MacBook Pro but there are kind of one and a half issues left that are at least one of them is shaking the world can you definitively say good or bad on the notch I don't care about it it's I'm I'm staring at it right now and it's a notch and I know there's a camera behind it I know that they've got a lot of extra room back there it's not the only thing back there is the camera the lid proximity sensor is in there and the true depth sensor is in there as well it's in the menu bar why is this a huge deal it there used to be in the Mac OS s 10 beta your Apple menu was there yes right there in the center this is of all of the real estate on your screen exactly where this Notch is is the least used real estate possible now now your menu bar stuff like your Apple menu and in this case what I'm seeing on my main display the slack file edit view go history window help those will wrap around the notch if you have enough of them you or other stuff on your upper right the Name Escapes me at the moment like right now I've got a little icon from my stream deck and I've got a hey you're on a call right now and I've Got My Time Machine logo and battery and so forth if you get those over to the notch they will just go underneath the notch so that tells me that one software team at Apple knew one thing and the other software team did not but I also suspect that this will get worked out I also suspect that the use of external monitors on the MacBook Pro is high is really high so and like I'm looking over here at my LG there's no notch in the center of my LG display so the notch to me the notch is a non-issue I don't hate it I don't like it I am in the middle and it it just is it it just it doesn't impact my work it's not going to impact my work there are editors other Tech Publications not any the maccentric ones mind you that are just absolutely screaming about how it's an Abomination and I just other than trying to get folks to click I can't see how you could be so worked up about this no I'm thinking one publication where I don't know if Apple misspells something somewhere that's the end of the world for everybody and now I just that's for abs not going to say it but yes that's exactly it was in my mind um I look at the Notch and I want to say I couldn't care less I suppos you I put a lot of effort I might find a little less caring to manage but um more than ambivalent just didn't matter to me except today as we record this um Apple's revealed a new support document in which they have described this um scale to fit option which means right there in makas monter right from the start they had a button to uh fix the notch if you like to shrink everything else down that tells me they knew this was going to be a big issue so if they knew it enough to do that why have they just slipped the mention out in a support document instead of actually telling I don't know I I don't know and the thing is with that with that move everything down a little bit that makes the forehead on this display a little bit smaller than the one I had on my 15inch 2018 MacBook Pro still I this seems better to me it like I said I I don't I I don't hate it I don't like it but I'm mystified by the amount of content that's being generated about it yeah about how it's terrible I just don't it's not terrible it just is it seemed to me looking at Apple's description of all their work around that not only does it move things down to do the notch but it also pushes things in a bit like it rescales everything to be the way it was on previous ones so you it's basically a button to give you back all the bezels you've wanted to get rid of for years so I see that as a very temporary workaround I think bartender is probably a solution to the menu bar thing but I'm with you very shortly all developers will work this way and everything will be fine William doesn't know this yet but he's going to do a Roundup for me tomorrow of the menu bar hiding software so you heard it here first well I'll get started on that very soon okay uh except that many bar hiding software the notch apps going do things this brings me to to the half I said there was one and the half things we haven't talked about and the half is you obviously now on Mac OS montere but I don't know if you've been on the Beats before is this your first experience no I was I had a beta machine running in fact that 2012 MacBook Pro um had it for a while and I had it on the 2016 for a while it didn't go well on the 2012 because system reers weren't met and the uh Checker wasn't doing great but did better much better in the 2016 um so what's your question I guess what it was going to be is it a shock change uh are you instantly delighted but actually n you're used to it yeah yeah it I when it came out it was I'm like oh hey this is rounder and and I kind of left at that it didn't really matter I mean I've seen enough I've seen enough OS changes from Apple since my Mac SE in 1987 oh system 7.1 on the Mac it wasn't it was it was it was 608 was my first um Mac OS I've seen enough changes since then yeah I mean this is this is the old-timers episode of the Apple Insider podcast this week um I me between I mean between the two of us we've got like 70 years of experience using apple right well lovely talking to you goodbye forever you're G to I'm going to go break down into dust now yeah it's um but now seriousness there's been enough changes in Mac OS over the years that it's just I kind of just looked at and said okay this is how it is and just kept moving it seems to me every year when there's even quite a substantial uh Mac we've all heard about Apple's talked about a lot and then you know we've read things about it then we install it and for just a moment it's so that's the same really and then slowly you find a little bit you like and another bit another bit and I have a Mac here that's running on Big Sir and that's only last year that's the big Chang to Mac And yet when I use that for something it feels like an antique already uh I think Monteray is is really good everybody should have montere on a MacBook Pro yeah well let let let's be clear about why this looks this way Once Upon a Time the Mac was the primary arrival point for Apple for your iPod and your iPhone and so forth right and over the last 10 years that's shifted it there are about right now just by sales volume 25 iPhone users every one Mac User so it makes more sense for Apple not to make Mac OS perform more like iOS and iPad OS but to make it look like iOS and iPad OS the underpinnings of Mac OS are still here everything you're still looking for in Mac OS is still here it just looks a little bit different now and that I and that's why it's happening so okay I remember it's funny isn't it thinking back to it I accidentally upgraded to the very first bit of montere a genuine mistake came back to my desk and found that had happened and my first thought was have very iOS it like oh stop looking at me like that it could oh no I'm in danger monter actually it was your fault I've just worked this out about a year ago I can't remember what it was now but you needed me to write something about maos big serum one of the beas and that was when I moved to the beta and I forg that I was on the be upgrade cycle and so one day up comes this sign on my Mac Friday afternoon at the end of the day already on Friday and it said there's an update to Big Sir I knew Mac OS was out in montere the beers I was never going to go near it but there was update to Big Sir why wouldn't I take that hit the button wanded off came back to work early Saturday morning and this big purple screen looking at me and I went Ash I me it's sounds to me like the problem exists between the keyboard and the chair this doesn't sound like directly my fault no I think you know someone has to be blamed so let let's let's do you fair enough sure let's not blame the guy with the mouse that's fine no no no exactly not but I tell you what I think so far we've talked about basically how really good the new Mac Pro is uh I've infused more about Macos montere than you but still we're saying it's good there are things that aren't um I was really quite disappointed by Apple and UPS deliveries this week that you you obviously weren't affected by that way because you got it from a courier yeah but you know people who were and things I think we both do yeah this UPS thing I'm not sure how widespread it is there are two problems going on right now one of them is UPS and the other one is Apple being slow and their configured order configuration which we've already discussed at some point earlier in this podcast so the UPS um it appears to be a me you know they're saying it's a mechanical problem but it's for some folks it's been a mechanical problem for 4 days as we record this on Thursday afternoon so I don't know the percentages I don't know the numbers I don't know if this is inside or outside UPS's accepted mechanical failure rate that it gets daily just because of the volume of vehicles and vessels that it has but that that's of cold comfort if you're one of the people who said hey mechanical failure who update you when we can doesn't help so looking at it this morning prior to this podcast it still appears that some people are affected by that thing get me I mean I looked into what UPS just mechanical problem seems to be I don't know but it seems to be UPS's stock answer for certain problems and to their credit they don't seem to get it very often but it has affected there was a iPhone mechanical problem some a lot of years ago it happens for it I I'm troubled by the fact that they don't know know a date for delivery because they have a fleet they know the schedules they know the slots they got at airports you would think it was complicated but not a long job to work out and sounds like apple emailed people who were affected on the day they were expecting to get their MacBook and I find it hard to believe that you're you're sitting there expecting a box to come and instead you get an email uh how it had can't have told you at least the day before that there was a problem I'm yeah yeah I mean like I think that's two separate problems I don't think that finding out the day of that you're not going to get your machine until December 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uh but I came mean to ask you um I don't know what Apple watch you've got she's gone from a series one to a series 7 and is ecstatic at the difference but you have a more recent one don't you so are you going to move move to seven I I am not moving to seven my the the Apple Watch That I Used first was a series zero was an original in launch here and that's why I decided you know what that is too far down I'm MAC primary my Mac is my main device my iPhone is an accessory to my Mac that is the minority not the majority anymore it's the other way around for most new buyers now and given that the Apple watch is an accessory to the iPhone it was just one device too far down the chain for me until know we've spoken about it some length here in the podcast that I put one on because my doctor says I needed to put one on um it is a Series 6 I I started with an SE and decided that 08 no I I need something else and was fortunately able to get to exchange that in pretty quick order to the Series 6 and um but yeah I don't see any compelling reason for me to go to the series 7 um I you know I'm not going to be so brave to say I'm going to fly this one to the ground I suspect the series 8 I will buy um just to continue that maintenance and see what other sensors it brings for as far as health monitoring goes but there's just in the series 7 there's not enough for me personally to upgrade I was wondering whether or not I would see a difference because I have a series four would I I don't have always on and I would really like that um just from a few hours now Angela with her series seven I really really want one um but then also series8 might have this squared off design that looks so ugly and I think that's a selling feature for the series 7 you're not pers okay I I I don't I don't care it's the apple design is secondary to me the integration is primary it's always been that way the like this MacBook Pro could have just been just terrifying looking it could look like a rush Shack painting and I wouldn't care it it's why I bought the Tangerine iMac back in the day because hey it's there it's 50 bucks cheaper I'll take that one did matter that didn't matter that it was a terrifying color it it it's just it was cheaper and did the same thing so okay whereas I think if I work on a script that's a couple hundred hours writing looking at this thing I want it to look nice I mean you know I'll put up with a certain amount of distraction but okay Aesthetics yeah that's the only difference between Apple and everything else isn't it the like I said find the reviewer you like and stick with their opinions you know that's kind of what this comes down to there's a couple more things I want to talk to you about since I've got you and one of them is uh it seems that that we're not going to get an Apple car by the end of the month we're probably not going to get any Apple events before the end of the year so uh what is left to look forward to and when can I get a 27 in or 28 in iMac there is always xal X+ one there is always on new iPhone there's continued talk about a new iMac whether it be a 30 or 27 7 depends on which rumor you listen to there have been discussions about a Mac Mini redesign for a long time now 6 months I want to say since procer and Company had that render where they put the USB C ports way too close together what's going to pop out I don't know but right now like I said for many many reasons Apple has released what they're going to ship through the end of this year I think there are going to be too many supply chain headwinds to release anything November Apple had a big November last year because they had uction problems earlier in the year right because of Co issues and Staffing and so forth I think Apple would have much rather been able to ship everything in September instead of releasing the Apple watch or the press release like they did the so last year we dealt with iPhone shipping starting in November and then we had the Apple silicon event in mid November so and let's look at what Apple has announced in the last in the last eight weeks they've new iPhone new iPad iPad Mini um Apple watch uh new homepod colors but I don't really even count that one um not because I hate the homepod I enjoy them very much in fact I just come on you're putting homepod colors in the vent how about not um and you've got the new Macbook Pro which is their Flagship notebook right that's a lot of products in a very short period of time in a still challenging global Shipping environment and at some point even though you have God's Own money like apple that will only go so far and I think that with what they're dealing with right now with iPhone shipping volumes and MacBook Pro shipping volumes I think they're at that limit I think that the global supply chain is about as far as it's going to go right now as far as Apple's concerned and if they roll anything else into that in the next four months it's just going to aggravate it that much more so do I think the iMac is coming yes do I think M2 chips are coming they're absolutely coming next year absolutely going to see M2 machines next year I realized I forgotten this about three years ago I worked with a man in California whose son he said was deeply involved in the redesign of the iMac I hung on every syllable to trying to find out more and of course he wouldn't give me anything and then the next time mat came out and I think it was like a speck bump and I thought well maybe his son isn't doing quite as well at Lael as he made it sound but perhaps he was actually already then working on the Apple silicon redesign well you forgive my skepticism but that man's son working with the iMac redesign sounds a lot like everyone's uncle they had that worked at Nintendo back in the 80s so it's yeah I mean if you and I've said this many many times before I just said that the M2 is coming next year you can take that as gospel or not but it's also an obvious prediction you know it's like saying that the A6 chip is coming next year okay that makes sense since how they've labeled everything else before then what I am not saying with any certainty is when what I'm not saying is what it will be in it it makes sense that it would be in that Mac Mini redesign it makes sense that it would be in in a new Macbook Air which we're already talking about now based on rumors out of the supply chain I am not personally a giant fan of rumors I am not hugely fond of reporting them or talking about them I'm not excited about talking about what stock analysts think are coming because it's hard to tell what the originating rumor is it's hard to tell who was first on this it Bloomberg hired Mark Gman and he's got a good base of knowledge and he's got decent sources he had better sources before but who's first is he first is Ming Cho first is are are the sources from John prer first who's first you can never tell who's first you you can never tell and or for that matter you can never really tell the provant of these rumors so all all I can do for you the listener and for you the reader is tell you what makes sense based on what apple is doing now and what they've done in the past all I can do in this regard is be the adult in the room when things are getting shrill on social media about who gets credit for what so I would have said that I actually dislike rooms that I actually dislike it because I do really enjoy it when there's an apple launch and there's something new that we didn't know about I just it makes a better show and I'm always going to think about the show first but in this case um I bought a 14in MacBook Pro I'm doing a project where I was funded to buy a MacBook Pro but I kept pushing the project up and delaying everything I could because at the time the 13 was out and that's what I was being funded for I rumors told me a 14 was coming and now I mean I've had to put almost twice as much money on of my own and things but I would have been very disappointed if I hadn't listened to rumors and had bought when I did well I mean here's the thing with Apple's release cycle you know when stuff's coming you know the iPhone is coming in the fall there is a decent probability of new Macs in the fall you know Apple's doing something in the spring they if if it hasn't come in the spring of the Fall it that is the outlier like people talk about well WWDC is going to have a ton of Hardware no it's not it hasn't in a long time it is not normal that WWDC has a lot of hardware and even so when you're talking about things like the iMac Pro when Apple talked about the iMac Pro at WWDC it didn't come out until the winter and then the Mac Pro didn't come out until the following winter so if you buy a machine in September and if you buy a machine in the spring and you buy what was just released then you're not going to be replaced in six months with something newer if you stay in the same class of machine and you argue 158 keys that the MacBook Air is the best machine for writers and I'm going to argue with you that you could have bought that back in the spring and you would be fine for four more years with that machine just based on what I know you do and I know you do the video and the MacBook Pro that you bought is going to make a huge difference in that video but that's not your primary point of work no my work tends to spread you know about the writing side but I produce events and things as well for the writer Guild and stuff and so my needs spread more than writing and also my bud means I need a machine to last a very long time uh for it these are all factors that drove it for me no you're going to change my mind and make me order a 16 now stop it I I I'm well I'm not because I know what monitor you have there for you there is no value in that 16inch machine because the vast majority of your work other than presentations is done at that desk this is true yes okay I should get out more that's what you're telling me I hear you that is that is abs absolutely not what I'm telling you but if you want to take that message away that's entirely up to you no no the hidden message it was the subtext it was clear but this could keep me just the last thing I want to ask you about this this could keep no this won't keep me on my desk but it might keep some people Apple isn't launching any new things but there are still plenty of launches like just this week as we record this apple music on PlayStation 5 uh Apple TV Plus on Comcast um are these a big deal or is that just Apple trying I don't know mop up a few extra subscribers where it can so we were talking behind the scenes at Apple Insider earlier this week about the app about the Apple music and Playstation thing and I don't think it's a big deal you don't think it's a big deal Wes does think it's a big deal I think that this is just a get the numbers up play I think that this is a get somebody it'll be great if we got somebody who had an iPhone to use apple music on the PlayStation but it'd be better if we could convert some folks that are on the fence but I don't think it's going to be big numbers I just I think this is part of Apple's goal to put all of their services on as many screens as they possibly can like with the Comcast deal the Comcast deal is is Big because of a couple different things it is because it's Apple TV Plus on Comcast televisions the as far as how much service you get I don't know you how much free time you're going to get an from Apple TV plus I don't know but it's not going to be forever I'm sure it'll be an add-on purchase through your com cast subscription the yeah but it's just more screens more possible screens does that not say to you then um Wes is more of a gamer than either of us so I'm not going to try to think about that market but with music Apple trying to get more nous does that mean they think they've exhausted all the people they can possibly get through their regular Apple music offering I don't think they care the reason I the reason why I don't think they care is because they don't have to we we talked about God's own money a little bit earlier in the podcast that gives them the ability to do things like hey here's Apple TV plus and there's three shows on it and and let it wait out and let it go for a couple of years that has given them the flexibility to say hey here's the original Apple watch it's underpowered and doesn't do much and it'll last you for six hours and not have to cancel it the next year because it didn't sell and not have and the money that they had even 9 years ago even six years ago has allowed them to release products that did not have to blow the doors off the place from day one you really didn't like that first Apple watch i l that first Apple I really did not yeah it's but it didn't sell right it didn't the Apple watch didn't pick up until they said oh wait it's not a fashion accessory it's a health accessory they had the time because of their money to figure out the proper way to Brand it and like with like with TV plus again they had the time and they had the money to sustain the production and they didn't have to cancel it because they're under Financial pinch and I think this is just an extension of that I think this is you know we're going to make another $2 million great you know fantastic you and I say that dismissively but the amount of money the amount of foundation that they built under these products will allow them to add things slowly at an additional $2 million a year of profit they don't have to come out of the gate with with 10,000 streaming shows they don't have to come out of the gate and say every console ever supports Apple music they don't have to so actually this is Apple's typical thing they might be late to something but they get there and they do it right in the end they get there eventually and we'll do it right in the end yes okay well that seems like a point to stop uh listen mik wly thank you seriously for your help with the MacBook Pro decision making did I tell you this I worked out there was some like 77 possible configurations of all of the MacBook Pros and I got I got it down to one and then you got me down to a different one so well at least we got rid of 70 odds so thank you very much for that that's it for me for I don't know probably another year stepen robbles will be back next week uh to help you out with William or west don't know who you can read about anything we talk about today on Apple and.com uh throughout the course of the week and daily of course we are here for your list we're here for your ears and we're here for your eyes we will talk talk to you very soon yeah what he said thanks for listening byehello welcome to Apple Insider this episode is brought to you by coin Bay sock. comic backup vpls and regular host Steven robis will tell you why throughout the show now that will be because this is the show where Steven takes a holiday and apple does not as we record this apple is giggling all the way to the bank again having broken all of its earnings records let's just say they've taken in $ 83.4 billion in the September quarter and that's before they get to count all that you and I have spent on the new Macbook Pro don't go there don't think about that move on hello I'm William Gallagher sitting in for Steven and taking this chance to bring on someone I want to question I'd say interrogate but he might hear me so Mike worthily from Apple Insider welcome to the podcast hello hello this is my whopping second appearance on the Apple Insider podcast since I've been here for five and a half years yeah we'll let you back eventually um I actually wanted you on this week for a really key reason this episode is not going to be all about the MacBook Pro but it is not going to start with the MacBook Pro because of your review of it I mean I read everybody's review like everybody else I watched all the reviews read all the videos possibly the other way around followed everything listened to podcast the lot and then I read your epic about it and I'm going through this thinking how did I not know this how did he find out that I'm by the end I'm starting to think this man has a secret laboratory somewhere and then at the very end you reveal yes you do it turns out I do but we'll talk more about that at the end of talking about the MacBook Pro I have done I want to say at this point I've done 20 pieces of Apple Hardware reviews for Apple Insider um I've done a couple of MacBook Pros done a bunch of iPhones done a bunch of iPads and this one was honestly I think was the hardest one I've done um not because of Any technical challenge or anything like that because Apple has now been using Rosetta for Intel software for a long time this is not the first version of Mac OS to use apple silicon but it was hard because this is a flagship this is the first pro incarnation of Apple silicon and this is the one that sets the table for the future consumer Apple silicon versus Pro and prosumer apple silicon just path that we're going to see over time it's still an M1 machine originally they said it was going to be the m1x it's it's obviously not and we've talked about that at some length we've already talked about here on this podcast not myself personally but we've already talked about about M1 Pro versus M1 Max we're not going to delve into that too much the hardware is impressive and there have been a couple of Macs over my life that I've been excited about and there have been a couple Macs I haven't been excited about the 2012 reum MacBook Pro for instance I was excited about I was not excited about the 2016 but I bought one anyway because my 2012 was getting a little crusty I could not get rid of that one fast enough it was a good machine it was not what I needed it to be it was a good marker for the future so I got a 2018 I9 uh and I was pretty happy with that machine in fact I wrote about three years with it just a couple months ago sorry 2018 one that would have been the butterfly keyboard of Doom but you were still well the 2016 the 2016 and the 2018 were both the butterfly keyboard of Doom I have never had a problem with the butterfly keyboard I I I am I'm not saying that to say well if I've never had a problem then no one ever has because it's very clear that people have had a problem with that keyboard and we have the numbers to prove it but that keyboard never really bothered me it that said the 16-in MacBook Pro from two years ago fixed the keyboard right completely and the and this new machine has it as well but going back to the original point when I sat down with this machine I expected it to be okay well this is just going to be another slightly fancier iteration of what I've been using for the last five years that was the initial that was having written about it during release and everything else that was how I rolled into that review but in conjunction with the Department defense testing lab with and some folks that I've known for over 20 years because I've access now and they gave me access to that lab I got to use the machine for a week before we wrote the review um and before we publish the review and over that week I started finding more and more things about it that are refinements or improvements or Replacements that I really really liked so I mean the long story short on this review before Williams starts to interrogate me and yes I heard you oh yeah is I decided that I like this machine enough that when they started becoming available in Apple stores on Tuesday I put in a courier order for $9 I had one at my door six hours later to replace the 2018 that I was planning on flying into the ground 9 was the cost of The Courier it wasn't incredible yeah okay well it was a combination of a really good deal on a tradein which I don't normally do a temporary price increase on a tradein that probably pushed me over the edge on that um it does not hurt that my egpu stuff I I am now disseminating and selling to folks and ultimately because of that egpu and the absolutely ridiculous GPU card market right now is I will probably about Break Even when all said and done tell you I I've never used GB you're saying the market is it's crazy good or crazy bad well right now the Bitcoin miners are still taking most of the the PCI GPU cards for mining various cryptocurrencies um I've been lucky and the video cards that I bought I have purchased at retail and at retail cost mind you not inflated retail but so like the card that I just pulled out of there uh it wasn't even a high-end card it I sold it for over, dollars which is considering the retail price of the card is $450 it's a hell of a thing okay this is I feel I shouldn't question that but uh so I do remember you very clearly saying that you would drive your MacBook Pro into the ground before you changed again and I took you to mean that you liked it a lot it was doing well uh but now you have overnight changed it's the 2018 model was the solidity that I wanted from the 2016 the the 2016 I'm not going to say it felt smashed together because it didn't feel smashed together it was a decent machine but it was hot and it was loud the 2018 was still loud but not as loud was still hot but not as hot so with the Thunderbolt and I've always loved Thunderbolt just as a connector with the Thunderbolt snaking all over this small office which many of you have seen in the various desk pieces that we've done I was able to with one or two cables or three cables in some instances connect everything I needed to run this dizzying array of monitors in front of me during events like earnings later today and and just keep an eye on everything off one machine but now this 2016 machine right now to test for this podcast I wanted to see if I could get the fans to spin up so they would be detectable on this microphone so right now I have three 4K monitors attached to this machine and the fans aren't running and if they are running they're running they're running so slowly I can't hear them is that not sort of distracting in a strange way it very much has been uh I'm accustomed to a low-level drone during the day just from assorted fans and between the 2016 excuse me between the 2018 coming off my desk and egpu coming off my desk there were a couple times yesterday during production like okay what's missing what what's wrong what is not working right and it's just one of my last acoustical troubleshooting methods is now gone for better and For Worse is there's no fans we've got to get those fans going what can we do in the next few minutes to get those fans oh I have a desk I mean it's I I I'm not going to start rendering video during this podcast it was just a intellectual exercise I started before the recording and it just you know just didn't work out which is okay well actually you say this I mean we we mentioned the secret laboratory you've revealed that is Department of Defense the thing that got me I I mean nobody else takes a Macbook into the department defense for you isn't that Overkill at all the Department of Defense does a lot of radio frequency testing their own radio frequency testing on gear I'm I'm not going to delve into what exactly sure they do but they if Apple comes out with something they do RF testing on it they do an other assorted test which I'm also not going to delve into um I do Consulting for the dod still and that is one aspect of how I can get into that lab I mean the other is I know a guy but that's you know combine things getting into that so that has given me the flexibility despite not having support from Apple on review products uh to get these reviews up quickly without just a day with the hardware and that's why for the last several years that's why for the last several years you've seen a situation where there's been the the YouTubers who get like one of each color we'll publish their reviews a couple days before the release and then we will publish a review day of or the day after or the day after that of one of the products because that's all I've been able to use I haven't been able to use the whole lineup I've been able to use one of them like this review that I wrote for Tuesday is very specifically the 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M1 Max processor it's very specifically that because that is the only thing that I had access to for that week I enjoy the YouTube videos of Many Colors um I enjoy the I enjoy the boxing videos I'll admit it now but I don't really care about them I don't feel like they help with my purchase decision or whatever what I like about yours is uh the level of detail I mean you and I differing that you're very much a harder guy I'm very much a software guy so there are lots of things you just don't cover that I want to know but you get into things like um it's a temperature test of it and I've heard other people say uh the new one doesn't get hot but you say exactly how hot and where there are certain keys aren't there that get warmer than others yeah I've got a background of nuclear power and I don't think that I would do it any other way I don't have a problem with YouTubers and I don't have a problem with apple giving preference to YouTubers because they're flashy they each have their own audiences they know how to cater to those audiences I do I don't personally get anything out of them other than hey that's really cool but maybe that's all they need maybe that's all they want it's like I have said on Apple Insider and editorials and things is there's no one true workflow and likewise there is no one true opinion on these machines or how to promote them or how to review them or anything like that well that's my opinion and my workflow that's the wrong uh that matters for me yeah well here's the thing with that right is we have folks coming in looking reviews saying well that's not my experience and I disagree with your opinion and here's why and that's okay but the key to reviewers is find finding a reviewer who has opinions and viewpoints and workflows most similar to your own and then you trust that reviewer's opinion on other things as opposed to just finding you know somebody off the street who writes a review about something and getting upset that they didn't validate your opinion on something so I I I I get where people say well this review doesn't work for me and that's fine there find a reviewer that does work for you and stick with them I I'm sure I am not everyone's I don't think everyone needs to know where the hot spot on the keyboard is or what particular temperature that is and if you don't like that that's okay it it doesn't make it a bad review it just makes it include data that you don't necessarily want or need but this this is the kind of discussion I used to go through uh on radio times like the UK's equivalent of TV Guide where we talk about reviewers and you're doing television drama and things it's all subjective you hope a reviewer of course has their opinion and also has some knowledge and background to back it up and you hope they're interested in writing but you you come in expecting it to be subjective whereas with technology I think there's more of a feeling of it's a machine there are things it can do so a reviewer should be able to talk about more but you saying even in this case it is irre irrevocably personal it has to be we at Apple Insider we do a couple different things we do the versus pieces which have very light opinion in them very very light opinion in them but they are focused on on the the gigabytes and the gigahertz and the refresh rates and all of the specs associated with different machines and there's very little beyond that it it's it's something we get asked for a lot but that's not to be confused with a review which is about how the reviewer uses the product and incorporates it into their everyday life so both have a place and there is some overlap between the two but you really as far as the tech goes that's why we started doing the versus pieces a couple years ago because we had people who just wanted the spec topec comparison and there are people who just want to know how Andrew or I or you use a particular product in your daily lives it if I could if I had the financial ability to do so I would have everyone an apple Insider do a review of the MacBook Pro or the iPhone or the iPad because people like to think that we're this monolithic operation with in a big Warehouse that's dark and we all have brown robes on and there's a bare 60 watt bulb hanging from the ceiling and and that's not the case we we have debates all the time on what to cover and how to cover and why to cover and you know in the mornings I'll get pitches from the morning crew like you William or Malcolm and they'll say well I want to cover this and I'll look at it and say no we're not doing that and then you'll give me a pitch why we should and I'll say okay that makes more sense go ahead and I won't particularly think it's worth covering but you just gave me a convincing pitch on why we as Apple insiders should cover that all right that's true that's so yes this is not a monolithic operation where we get together and talk about focus and we talk about how we're going to present something or or anything like that there will be discuss people will say hey Mike when you do this review can you talk about X thing and I'll say yes or I'll say no get stuffed and but you know that's about the extent Place really yeah yeah oh yeah we get along fine it it it's but just from a from and just from presentation standpoint we don't have like an editorial board per se and I like it that way I prefer it that way the thing I like is uh that same difference uh we have Amber for example who I will always listen to about anything Adobe does because she has that art background Malcolm I always think of Malcolm when a games topic comes up you I think of always for hardware and things and quite often that means I'm not sorry that interested because specifications don't tend to mean a lot to me um I need to use it but that's actually why I think I was particularly taken with this review because it was vastly more detailed about Hardware than I would ever be able to do but you presented it in such a compelling interesting way and also it was different to everybody else's view so I love that freshness of it the only thing is you did not convince me to get a 16-inch MacBook Pro when clearly the 14 is better I mean clearly come on the 14 is better for you the if I did a lot more traveling than I do I think I was going to go for the 14 and I did consider the 14 just based on the Periodic traveling that I do but I ultimately decided that the extra pound that the machine weighed and the very small amount of extra space it would take in the bag it was worth it to have the larger screen I had to take some travel unexpectedly recently to get some work done away from this desk and I brought my 15.4 along and I brought my iPad Pro along and versus the Monitor that's sitting here right in front of me as I'm watching the waveform bounce as we record this and watching the Apple Insider slack Channel and feeds that are rolling by I felt like I was working through a cardboard tube just because I'm accustomed to a larger monitor at home and this monitor feels much much bigger than my 15-inch MacBook Pro did which was the decision why I I did not see a point in buying a machine that was not an improvement over my old one in every possible way yeah I'm just I'm struck by that description of it the tiny bit bigger to carry around the small extra size of it whereas to me the 16 in it's a it's a boat isn't it compared to the 14 just find enormous let's go over what's in my tech bag right when I I have a Tech backpack I forget the brand of it but it's a it's a midline brand it's nobody fancy it's got my MacBook Pro in it it's got probably a dozen 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that's Z do.com apppp Insider our thanks to Zach do for sponsoring this episode I've actually presented a lot just from the iPad and I like doing I like remote controlling the iPad presentation from my watch and things but there are things that the Mac would do so uh I have bought a MacBook Pro and it was kind of uh with not exactly your guidance but some of it so mostly thank you for that we'll see what it's like when mine comes in December he's not going to promote himself here but he's already talked about this development process that he's gone through in his mind for which MacBook Pro to buy on his 58 Keys YouTube channel which you should probably go find yes I went through some decision making process there helped by your Tweet of dismay but tweet of dismay yes let's not move on from mine comes in December you got yours later that afternoon and things I I did my my original configuration I was going to do a configured order with 512 gig of storage versus the one terabyte because I don't really I've got a vast amount of network storage in the house I have my own local cloud I've got a Synology that I use and the um I don't really need a ton of local storage so I was going to save a little bit of money and do that but like you this is going to be oh hey you're going to get it on December 19th and I'm like how about not so originally that cemented my desire to drive my my 2018 into the ground because that was the plan but then I had The Misfortune or Fortune of using the machine and and just thought about it on a whim on Tuesday morning but I wonder if I can get one at the local Apple Store turns out yes so if you don't need a custom configuration your local Apple Store still has some and you should probably check I was in an Apple store here in the UK yesterday picking up a birthday present from White an Apple Watch and mentioned that I wanted to try out app press and their faces lit up um any chance you've ordered the base spec because we got loads of those you can have one of those and then their face kind of what's the opposite of lit up kind of dimmed down when I said no I'd wanted more hard space and all this it does seem like supplies in stores are better than it looked like they were going to be supplies and stores are limited to a couple of key configurations like if you're looking at you know I really need four terabytes of SSD you're out of luck that's a configured order spec or you know that 24 cord GPU sure looks better and I don't want to pay for the 32 yeah you're going to wait on that too but if you have of the retail skus which are basically if you go to apple.com and you don't fiddle with any dials you just pick one of those configurations you can probably get one of those at the Apple Store today Apple retail today I did that I was going through it I thought I cannot understand what have I done suddenly the delivery date was two weeks later or something and event I found out I hadn't changed any what you call the machine specs but right at the bottom of the build to order page where Apple keeps trying to P you to buy logic pro and Final Cut Pro I'd accidentally clicked on Final Pro Final Cut Pro and that addition added two weeks uh to it which is a shame because I already got Final Cup C but yeah you already have it right and loving it okay um I did say this wasn't supposed to be all about the MacBook Pro but there are kind of one and a half issues left that are at least one of them is shaking the world can you definitively say good or bad on the notch I don't care about it it's I'm I'm staring at it right now and it's a notch and I know there's a camera behind it I know that they've got a lot of extra room back there it's not the only thing back there is the camera the lid proximity sensor is in there and the true depth sensor is in there as well it's in the menu bar why is this a huge deal it there used to be in the Mac OS s 10 beta your Apple menu was there yes right there in the center this is of all of the real estate on your screen exactly where this Notch is is the least used real estate possible now now your menu bar stuff like your Apple menu and in this case what I'm seeing on my main display the slack file edit view go history window help those will wrap around the notch if you have enough of them you or other stuff on your upper right the Name Escapes me at the moment like right now I've got a little icon from my stream deck and I've got a hey you're on a call right now and I've Got My Time Machine logo and battery and so forth if you get those over to the notch they will just go underneath the notch so that tells me that one software team at Apple knew one thing and the other software team did not but I also suspect that this will get worked out I also suspect that the use of external monitors on the MacBook Pro is high is really high so and like I'm looking over here at my LG there's no notch in the center of my LG display so the notch to me the notch is a non-issue I don't hate it I don't like it I am in the middle and it it just is it it just it doesn't impact my work it's not going to impact my work there are editors other Tech Publications not any the maccentric ones mind you that are just absolutely screaming about how it's an Abomination and I just other than trying to get folks to click I can't see how you could be so worked up about this no I'm thinking one publication where I don't know if Apple misspells something somewhere that's the end of the world for everybody and now I just that's for abs not going to say it but yes that's exactly it was in my mind um I look at the Notch and I want to say I couldn't care less I suppos you I put a lot of effort I might find a little less caring to manage but um more than ambivalent just didn't matter to me except today as we record this um Apple's revealed a new support document in which they have described this um scale to fit option which means right there in makas monter right from the start they had a button to uh fix the notch if you like to shrink everything else down that tells me they knew this was going to be a big issue so if they knew it enough to do that why have they just slipped the mention out in a support document instead of actually telling I don't know I I don't know and the thing is with that with that move everything down a little bit that makes the forehead on this display a little bit smaller than the one I had on my 15inch 2018 MacBook Pro still I this seems better to me it like I said I I don't I I don't hate it I don't like it but I'm mystified by the amount of content that's being generated about it yeah about how it's terrible I just don't it's not terrible it just is it seemed to me looking at Apple's description of all their work around that not only does it move things down to do the notch but it also pushes things in a bit like it rescales everything to be the way it was on previous ones so you it's basically a button to give you back all the bezels you've wanted to get rid of for years so I see that as a very temporary workaround I think bartender is probably a solution to the menu bar thing but I'm with you very shortly all developers will work this way and everything will be fine William doesn't know this yet but he's going to do a Roundup for me tomorrow of the menu bar hiding software so you heard it here first well I'll get started on that very soon okay uh except that many bar hiding software the notch apps going do things this brings me to to the half I said there was one and the half things we haven't talked about and the half is you obviously now on Mac OS montere but I don't know if you've been on the Beats before is this your first experience no I was I had a beta machine running in fact that 2012 MacBook Pro um had it for a while and I had it on the 2016 for a while it didn't go well on the 2012 because system reers weren't met and the uh Checker wasn't doing great but did better much better in the 2016 um so what's your question I guess what it was going to be is it a shock change uh are you instantly delighted but actually n you're used to it yeah yeah it I when it came out it was I'm like oh hey this is rounder and and I kind of left at that it didn't really matter I mean I've seen enough I've seen enough OS changes from Apple since my Mac SE in 1987 oh system 7.1 on the Mac it wasn't it was it was it was 608 was my first um Mac OS I've seen enough changes since then yeah I mean this is this is the old-timers episode of the Apple Insider podcast this week um I me between I mean between the two of us we've got like 70 years of experience using apple right well lovely talking to you goodbye forever you're G to I'm going to go break down into dust now yeah it's um but now seriousness there's been enough changes in Mac OS over the years that it's just I kind of just looked at and said okay this is how it is and just kept moving it seems to me every year when there's even quite a substantial uh Mac we've all heard about Apple's talked about a lot and then you know we've read things about it then we install it and for just a moment it's so that's the same really and then slowly you find a little bit you like and another bit another bit and I have a Mac here that's running on Big Sir and that's only last year that's the big Chang to Mac And yet when I use that for something it feels like an antique already uh I think Monteray is is really good everybody should have montere on a MacBook Pro yeah well let let let's be clear about why this looks this way Once Upon a Time the Mac was the primary arrival point for Apple for your iPod and your iPhone and so forth right and over the last 10 years that's shifted it there are about right now just by sales volume 25 iPhone users every one Mac User so it makes more sense for Apple not to make Mac OS perform more like iOS and iPad OS but to make it look like iOS and iPad OS the underpinnings of Mac OS are still here everything you're still looking for in Mac OS is still here it just looks a little bit different now and that I and that's why it's happening so okay I remember it's funny isn't it thinking back to it I accidentally upgraded to the very first bit of montere a genuine mistake came back to my desk and found that had happened and my first thought was have very iOS it like oh stop looking at me like that it could oh no I'm in danger monter actually it was your fault I've just worked this out about a year ago I can't remember what it was now but you needed me to write something about maos big serum one of the beas and that was when I moved to the beta and I forg that I was on the be upgrade cycle and so one day up comes this sign on my Mac Friday afternoon at the end of the day already on Friday and it said there's an update to Big Sir I knew Mac OS was out in montere the beers I was never going to go near it but there was update to Big Sir why wouldn't I take that hit the button wanded off came back to work early Saturday morning and this big purple screen looking at me and I went Ash I me it's sounds to me like the problem exists between the keyboard and the chair this doesn't sound like directly my fault no I think you know someone has to be blamed so let let's let's do you fair enough sure let's not blame the guy with the mouse that's fine no no no exactly not but I tell you what I think so far we've talked about basically how really good the new Mac Pro is uh I've infused more about Macos montere than you but still we're saying it's good there are things that aren't um I was really quite disappointed by Apple and UPS deliveries this week that you you obviously weren't affected by that way because you got it from a courier yeah but you know people who were and things I think we both do yeah this UPS thing I'm not sure how widespread it is there are two problems going on right now one of them is UPS and the other one is Apple being slow and their configured order configuration which we've already discussed at some point earlier in this podcast so the UPS um it appears to be a me you know they're saying it's a mechanical problem but it's for some folks it's been a mechanical problem for 4 days as we record this on Thursday afternoon so I don't know the percentages I don't know the numbers I don't know if this is inside or outside UPS's accepted mechanical failure rate that it gets daily just because of the volume of vehicles and vessels that it has but that that's of cold comfort if you're one of the people who said hey mechanical failure who update you when we can doesn't help so looking at it this morning prior to this podcast it still appears that some people are affected by that thing get me I mean I looked into what UPS just mechanical problem seems to be I don't know but it seems to be UPS's stock answer for certain problems and to their credit they don't seem to get it very often but it has affected there was a iPhone mechanical problem some a lot of years ago it happens for it I I'm troubled by the fact that they don't know know a date for delivery because they have a fleet they know the schedules they know the slots they got at airports you would think it was complicated but not a long job to work out and sounds like apple emailed people who were affected on the day they were expecting to get their MacBook and I find it hard to believe that you're you're sitting there expecting a box to come and instead you get an email uh how it had can't have told you at least the day before that there was a problem I'm yeah yeah I mean like I think that's two separate problems I don't think that finding out the day of that you're not going to get your machine until December is a UPS problem I think that's a a a CTO issue I think that's a we don't have enough machines that we thought we were going to have back when we pre-ordered these machines last week I I think that they're being conflated I think the two issues are being combined I don't think they should be combined um they're both happening there's I'm not saying that you know one is hiding the other they're both both happening but um logistically this year is more challenging than most and just as a quick aside the entire supply chain from top to bottom is totally screwed up right now it's completely screwed up right now there are paper shortages in the US and the UK paper shortages so if there is something that you need to get for a loved one for Christmas and you know you need to get it for Christmas get it now the next time you see it available anywhere get it now do not wait and I'm not just saying I'm not trying to channel you to AI deals or anything like that that is not the point of this this is the board game industry has said that this is a this is a life-threatening event for them just as a general rule the toy industry the tool industry building supplies are starting to lighten up a little bit but again back to the tools on there mattresses Furniture you name it if 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Used first was a series zero was an original in launch here and that's why I decided you know what that is too far down I'm MAC primary my Mac is my main device my iPhone is an accessory to my Mac that is the minority not the majority anymore it's the other way around for most new buyers now and given that the Apple watch is an accessory to the iPhone it was just one device too far down the chain for me until know we've spoken about it some length here in the podcast that I put one on because my doctor says I needed to put one on um it is a Series 6 I I started with an SE and decided that 08 no I I need something else and was fortunately able to get to exchange that in pretty quick order to the Series 6 and um but yeah I don't see any compelling reason for me to go to the series 7 um I you know I'm not going to be so brave to say I'm going to fly this one to the ground I suspect the series 8 I will buy um just to continue that maintenance and see what other sensors it brings for as far as health monitoring goes but there's just in the series 7 there's not enough for me personally to upgrade I was wondering whether or not I would see a difference because I have a series four would I I don't have always on and I would really like that um just from a few hours now Angela with her series seven I really really want one um but then also series8 might have this squared off design that looks so ugly and I think that's a selling feature for the series 7 you're not pers okay I I I don't I don't care it's the apple design is secondary to me the integration is primary it's always been that way the like this MacBook Pro could have just been just terrifying looking it could look like a rush Shack painting and I wouldn't care it it's why I bought the Tangerine iMac back in the day because hey it's there it's 50 bucks cheaper I'll take that one did matter that didn't matter that it was a terrifying color it it it's just it was cheaper and did the same thing so okay whereas I think if I work on a script that's a couple hundred hours writing looking at this thing I want it to look nice I mean you know I'll put up with a certain amount of distraction but okay Aesthetics yeah that's the only difference between Apple and everything else isn't it the like I said find the reviewer you like and stick with their opinions you know that's kind of what this comes down to there's a couple more things I want to talk to you about since I've got you and one of them is uh it seems that that we're not going to get an Apple car by the end of the month we're probably not going to get any Apple events before the end of the year so uh what is left to look forward to and when can I get a 27 in or 28 in iMac there is always xal X+ one there is always on new iPhone there's continued talk about a new iMac whether it be a 30 or 27 7 depends on which rumor you listen to there have been discussions about a Mac Mini redesign for a long time now 6 months I want to say since procer and Company had that render where they put the USB C ports way too close together what's going to pop out I don't know but right now like I said for many many reasons Apple has released what they're going to ship through the end of this year I think there are going to be too many supply chain headwinds to release anything November Apple had a big November last year because they had uction problems earlier in the year right because of Co issues and Staffing and so forth I think Apple would have much rather been able to ship everything in September instead of releasing the Apple watch or the press release like they did the so last year we dealt with iPhone shipping starting in November and then we had the Apple silicon event in mid November so and let's look at what Apple has announced in the last in the last eight weeks they've new iPhone new iPad iPad Mini um Apple watch uh new homepod colors but I don't really even count that one um not because I hate the homepod I enjoy them very much in fact I just come on you're putting homepod colors in the vent how about not um and you've got the new Macbook Pro which is their Flagship notebook right that's a lot of products in a very short period of time in a still challenging global Shipping environment and at some point even though you have God's Own money like apple that will only go so far and I think that with what they're dealing with right now with iPhone shipping volumes and MacBook Pro shipping volumes I think they're at that limit I think that the global supply chain is about as far as it's going to go right now as far as Apple's concerned and if they roll anything else into that in the next four months it's just going to aggravate it that much more so do I think the iMac is coming yes do I think M2 chips are coming they're absolutely coming next year absolutely going to see M2 machines next year I realized I forgotten this about three years ago I worked with a man in California whose son he said was deeply involved in the redesign of the iMac I hung on every syllable to trying to find out more and of course he wouldn't give me anything and then the next time mat came out and I think it was like a speck bump and I thought well maybe his son isn't doing quite as well at Lael as he made it sound but perhaps he was actually already then working on the Apple silicon redesign well you forgive my skepticism but that man's son working with the iMac redesign sounds a lot like everyone's uncle they had that worked at Nintendo back in the 80s so it's yeah I mean if you and I've said this many many times before I just said that the M2 is coming next year you can take that as gospel or not but it's also an obvious prediction you know it's like saying that the A6 chip is coming next year okay that makes sense since how they've labeled everything else before then what I am not saying with any certainty is when what I'm not saying is what it will be in it it makes sense that it would be in that Mac Mini redesign it makes sense that it would be in in a new Macbook Air which we're already talking about now based on rumors out of the supply chain I am not personally a giant fan of rumors I am not hugely fond of reporting them or talking about them I'm not excited about talking about what stock analysts think are coming because it's hard to tell what the originating rumor is it's hard to tell who was first on this it Bloomberg hired Mark Gman and he's got a good base of knowledge and he's got decent sources he had better sources before but who's first is he first is Ming Cho first is are are the sources from John prer first who's first you can never tell who's first you you can never tell and or for that matter you can never really tell the provant of these rumors so all all I can do for you the listener and for you the reader is tell you what makes sense based on what apple is doing now and what they've done in the past all I can do in this regard is be the adult in the room when things are getting shrill on social media about who gets credit for what so I would have said that I actually dislike rooms that I actually dislike it because I do really enjoy it when there's an apple launch and there's something new that we didn't know about I just it makes a better show and I'm always going to think about the show first but in this case um I bought a 14in MacBook Pro I'm doing a project where I was funded to buy a MacBook Pro but I kept pushing the project up and delaying everything I could because at the time the 13 was out and that's what I was being funded for I rumors told me a 14 was coming and now I mean I've had to put almost twice as much money on of my own and things but I would have been very disappointed if I hadn't listened to rumors and had bought when I did well I mean here's the thing with Apple's release cycle you know when stuff's coming you know the iPhone is coming in the fall there is a decent probability of new Macs in the fall you know Apple's doing something in the spring they if if it hasn't come in the spring of the Fall it that is the outlier like people talk about well WWDC is going to have a ton of Hardware no it's not it hasn't in a long time it is not normal that WWDC has a lot of hardware and even so when you're talking about things like the iMac Pro when Apple talked about the iMac Pro at WWDC it didn't come out until the winter and then the Mac Pro didn't come out until the following winter so if you buy a machine in September and if you buy a machine in the spring and you buy what was just released then you're not going to be replaced in six months with something newer if you stay in the same class of machine and you argue 158 keys that the MacBook Air is the best machine for writers and I'm going to argue with you that you could have bought that back in the spring and you would be fine for four more years with that machine just based on what I know you do and I know you do the video and the MacBook Pro that you bought is going to make a huge difference in that video but that's not your primary point of work no my work tends to spread you know about the writing side but I produce events and things as well for the writer Guild and stuff and so my needs spread more than writing and also my bud means I need a machine to last a very long time uh for it these are all factors that drove it for me no you're going to change my mind and make me order a 16 now stop it I I I'm well I'm not because I know what monitor you have there for you there is no value in that 16inch machine because the vast majority of your work other than presentations is done at that desk this is true yes okay I should get out more that's what you're telling me I hear you that is that is abs absolutely not what I'm telling you but if you want to take that message away that's entirely up to you no no the hidden message it was the subtext it was clear but this could keep me just the last thing I want to ask you about this this could keep no this won't keep me on my desk but it might keep some people Apple isn't launching any new things but there are still plenty of launches like just this week as we record this apple music on PlayStation 5 uh Apple TV Plus on Comcast um are these a big deal or is that just Apple trying I don't know mop up a few extra subscribers where it can so we were talking behind the scenes at Apple Insider earlier this week about the app about the Apple music and Playstation thing and I don't think it's a big deal you don't think it's a big deal Wes does think it's a big deal I think that this is just a get the numbers up play I think that this is a get somebody it'll be great if we got somebody who had an iPhone to use apple music on the PlayStation but it'd be better if we could convert some folks that are on the fence but I don't think it's going to be big numbers I just I think this is part of Apple's goal to put all of their services on as many screens as they possibly can like with the Comcast deal the Comcast deal is is Big because of a couple different things it is because it's Apple TV Plus on Comcast televisions the as far as how much service you get I don't know you how much free time you're going to get an from Apple TV plus I don't know but it's not going to be forever I'm sure it'll be an add-on purchase through your com cast subscription the yeah but it's just more screens more possible screens does that not say to you then um Wes is more of a gamer than either of us so I'm not going to try to think about that market but with music Apple trying to get more nous does that mean they think they've exhausted all the people they can possibly get through their regular Apple music offering I don't think they care the reason I the reason why I don't think they care is because they don't have to we we talked about God's own money a little bit earlier in the podcast that gives them the ability to do things like hey here's Apple TV plus and there's three shows on it and and let it wait out and let it go for a couple of years that has given them the flexibility to say hey here's the original Apple watch it's underpowered and doesn't do much and it'll last you for six hours and not have to cancel it the next year because it didn't sell and not have and the money that they had even 9 years ago even six years ago has allowed them to release products that did not have to blow the doors off the place from day one you really didn't like that first Apple watch i l that first Apple I really did not yeah it's but it didn't sell right it didn't the Apple watch didn't pick up until they said oh wait it's not a fashion accessory it's a health accessory they had the time because of their money to figure out the proper way to Brand it and like with like with TV plus again they had the time and they had the money to sustain the production and they didn't have to cancel it because they're under Financial pinch and I think this is just an extension of that I think this is you know we're going to make another $2 million great you know fantastic you and I say that dismissively but the amount of money the amount of foundation that they built under these products will allow them to add things slowly at an additional $2 million a year of profit they don't have to come out of the gate with with 10,000 streaming shows they don't have to come out of the gate and say every console ever supports Apple music they don't have to so actually this is Apple's typical thing they might be late to something but they get there and they do it right in the end they get there eventually and we'll do it right in the end yes okay well that seems like a point to stop uh listen mik wly thank you seriously for your help with the MacBook Pro decision making did I tell you this I worked out there was some like 77 possible configurations of all of the MacBook Pros and I got I got it down to one and then you got me down to a different one so well at least we got rid of 70 odds so thank you very much for that that's it for me for I don't know probably another year stepen robbles will be back next week uh to help you out with William or west don't know who you can read about anything we talk about today on Apple and.com uh throughout the course of the week and daily of course we are here for your list we're here for your ears and we're here for your eyes we will talk talk to you very soon yeah what he said thanks for listening bye\n"