Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC - Fix or Flop S4 -E8

**A PC Build Success Story: Overcoming Obstacles and Finding Solutions**

As I appreciate it so much, I want to encourage viewers to please do not absolutely blast them in the comments. He was doing the right thing, and we should all strive for kindness and respect online. Noticing around the back of our rig, these two and a half inch trays are loose for some reason. They just need to be slotted in below and then tightened down, which makes a world of difference. It's not super complicated, but it does go a long way in cleaning up cable management, especially on the left side if you have a tempered glass panel.

One of the biggest differences with our supplemental PCIe cable is its daisy chain effect. Many power supplies use this feature, but when using the shorter connector and then tying off the extension, we can get really clean lines when looking at things from the front. This makes the whole rig look much better. It's amazing how a small tweak like this can make such a big difference in the aesthetics of our build.

**The Final Touches**

After removing some cables and power supplies, I powered up the rig one last time to ensure that our 13600k is good to go. Again, I suspect that it will be the debug LEDs not acting funky anymore, which is great news. We only had to replace the CPU, despite it being a very odd set of circumstances for the system. The fact that it randomly froze one day and then refused to post the next day kept us on our toes. However, replacing the trip with a new one should fix the issue, and we'll send him on his way with a working rig again.

**A Close Call**

I'm also really glad we didn't have to replace this motherboard again. There aren't many white B660 boards on the market, so it might be one of the only ones. If I had to order an exact replacement, it would take a few days, which would have been frustrating. The fact that our CPU isn't really playing into the aesthetics of this rig helps us out.

**The Power of Corsair IQ Link**

As I'm also glad we didn't have to deal with any issues from the motherboard, let's talk about build better and smarter with the Corsair IQ link ecosystem. This is a Leap Forward in PC Building aimed at reducing cable clutter and maximizing hardware compatibility. Run a single controller with the IQ system Hub and manage all of your RGB devices through Revamp software that fits almost anywhere in your case. It allows for up to seven connected devices in a single cable design spanning across fans, coolers, power supplies, cases, and more.

**Lessons Learned**

I've got to say I'm fairly shocked that my no-drama scenario paid dividends here. Historically, removing system RAM from an equation typically makes the PC behave in a bunch of weird ways. You'll see a bunch of codes thrown if you have a doctor debug or something like that on your motherboard, and of course, the rig will not post. However, we already were in that situation to begin with, and the fact that we saw the exact same symptoms after entirely removing dram from the equation told me that it was likely a CPU problem.

This allowed us to bypass the power supply and graphics card as potential issues, possibly saving us 20 or 30 minutes in troubleshooting. I'm not saying it'll always work out like this, but for whatever reason, I was pretty confident in this one. If you guys enjoyed watching this video, give it a thumbs up! If you want to see a follow-up on the supposedly defective CPU, I'm going to upload that video; it's going to be a very rough draft. I'll also be uploading those results to patreon soon.

**Community and Support**

If you want to support us there, as little as three dollars get you access to pretty much everything that support is appreciated otherwise, leave your feedback in the comment section below, give this one a thumbs up, thought it was cool! If you want to join our public Discord server, we can do so via the link below. Consider subscribing if you haven't already and I will catch you in the next one. My name is Greg, thanks for learning!

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis PC is about three months old Parts bought brand new and I built it for my girlfriend a few days ago the PC began completely freezing and would need a restart to use it the next day the system did not display any picture at all but strangely it had no debug LEDs and all the system fans in RGB worked just fine after I tried reseeding Ram the CPU and dram debug light started lighting up I then started trying my own Ram trying my graphics card even power supply resetting the CMOS and flashing a new bios trying two different versions that were compatible with the CPU putting Ram in each and every slot one by one steps not in order I cannot figure out what could possibly be the problem well this rig has been through a lot we'll refer to this as the viewers rig even though I know it's technically his girlfriends but sounds like he swapped out a ton of stuff which is good if you have Parts laying around that you can swap with ones you suspect might be dead that can really help narrow down the issue he said that watching or fixer lot videos really helped him you know gain the confidence to do this for her rig and that's super cool I mean that's one of the reasons why I enjoy making these videos is that I know they can be helpful for the right person in the right circumstance there are two ways a computer can die slowly or quickly and this appears to be the case of the former where we were seeing a few symptoms the system was occasionally crashing or freezing needed a hard reset to get going again and then all of a sudden just decide not to boot up after that if it's a serious Hardware issue something blows up in your rig it's just not going to power on at all right it's going to shut down immediately you're not going to see those intermittent blue screens or crashes but we were seeing that here and that's kind of concerning because I don't know if there's just one thing wrong with this or multiple and of course to make matters worse I only have secondhand knowledge regarding how the system behaved prior to showing up here today A few things I do want to say about the system though as it stands it looks really clean this is clearly a white themed build he from the looks of it narrowed things down to either the motherboard or CPU although I will quickly roll out the other components that he already mentioned and I did mention that if the motherboard needed to be replaced it might be difficult to find a white PCB replacement like the steel Legend he currently has in here he was fine with that his priority at this point was just to get it back up and running for his girlfriend with that I think it is time to jump into the troubleshooting hopefully we get this ring back up and running by the end of this video are you ready stay with me to get rid of that annoying Windows activation Watermark head on over to VIP SCD key purchase a Windows 10 Pro OEM key for a fraction of the price of retail just see the secure payment method like PayPal enter your product key and your PC settings window and say goodbye to the watermark and be sure to use our offer code skgs or a sew wheat discount right so first things first we need our Baseline this is our starting point this will tell us hopefully where we need to go from here I want to see what this PC does when we fire it up I know right away I haven't even pushed the button yet we do have lights around the motherboard so that's a good sign from a power standpoint at least it does power on everything sounds okay so far oh but okay so we do have two different debug LEDs lit which I've honestly never seen before in a board so yeah obviously no post no picture to our monitor just a black screen but I do want to show you these two red LEDs so they typically run in sequence you'll see one light up and then another and then another and then that bottom one is usually the boot LED that'll tell you that the system checks are clean and the system has supposedly posted but uh we have both the CPU and the dram LEDs on right now I've never seen that before and I feel like this is something we might be able to figure out in this board's manual maybe it's trying to tell us something we'll check there first before we start swapping hardware and manipulating you know dram slots and things a few moments later right so the manual was pretty much useless I should have seen that coming but I did find something on Reddit so these redditors for the most part have the same issue we do and they're saying it has to do with ram compatibility the specific kits are not compatible with this particular motherboard for some reason and swapping kits fix the issue that sounds awfully odd since by default most of these kits will just stick to 2133 whatever the base frequency is for ddr4 out of the box you can enable docp or XMP after the fact but I don't see why this would prevent the system from posting and it seems like if that is the issue simply clearing the CMOS would get around it I'd be pretty surprised if clearing the CMOS fixed all of our problems and from the looks of it this viewer already tried that I'll show you how to do it though here in this video and then we're going to move on to the dims themselves we'll swap to a different kit entirely and we'll try a single stick a known working dim in every single slot maybe we're dealing with a dead memory Channel or something along those lines this is an Intel platform by the way not an AMD one in case you're wondering for starters you'll want to locate the two pins on your motherboard labeled something along the lines of clear CMOS or CMOS or in this case CLR MOS jumped these for about 20 seconds with something conductive like a screwdriver if you can't find them maybe they're behind your graphics card you move on to this battery take the battery out with the system powered off leave it out for a few minutes and this should effectively kill power to the volatile memory chip holding your system clock information it will reset your bios settings anything in there that's preventing your system from posting should be wiped clean as if the system was brand new now let's fire the rig up again but nope as we suspected the rig is still behaving the exact same way and the two upper debug lights are still illuminated now I don't often do this next part but because I'm curious you know this is a symptom I've frankly never seen before I'm going to remove both dims I want to see what the system does when no Ram is installed well well well would you like it there the two lights are still on which tells me that it's probably not a dram issue the reason why I'm thinking that is because the CPU is one of the first things that the motherboard checks before a full post and if this is happening literally within a split second of powering the rig on it hasn't even gotten to the point of checking dram yet because it's being stumped by something that comes before that typically the CPU is checked first it's the most vital organ in the PC body so I think we've got a CPU problem that that would be my guess here this doesn't look like a power supply issue everything seems to be getting powered just fine it doesn't look like a graphics card issue either because again we're getting symptoms that uh you know come before the VGA check in the post process so let's see what we've got going on under here and yes I know this is conventionally out of order typically you'd want to roll out the easier things first but this smells like a CPU issue and it's not CPU related it's probably motherboard related I don't want to spend any more time ruling out things that I just I don't feel are involved in this equation so this is an i5 13 400 F okay all right and now if this is a b660 motherboard it is possible we have a bios incompatibility and maybe that's what this board's trying tell us though it does sound like the viewer flashed two different biosis if I recall correctly and both of them he said were compatible with this board and with this chip of course but that's something we're definitely gonna have to follow up on if we see no physical signs of damage in the socket or underneath the CPU the socket as far as I can see looks totally fine and same goes for the CPU everything looks great the pads are not being blocked by anything uh yeah so far so good now this board does have a bios flashback function So in theory we could update this bios without even installing a CPU however for the sake of I don't know I just at this point sheer entertainment sure curiosity I want to see if I can get this rig to turn on with one of my own 12th gen CPUs if it is a bios problem and this is a b660 board which I think it is even though I haven't actually seen it is it's a b660 steel legend that should work natively with 12th gen so I'll pop one in there screw it why not so I've got a 12 500 here which would be perfect for this little experiment I am not going to reinstall the CPU Cooler I just want to see if we can replicate that double debug LED thing we were seeing earlier his original Ram by the way is back in the system just to minimize variables let's see what happens foreign we just have one debug light now the CPU debug light is off that's odd oh now all the debug lights are off VGA lights on that's a post my friends wow that worked I'm just I'm just confused at this point because the system was apparently working just fine the only thing we changed was the CPU so either the CPU is dead or the BIOS currently on the board just doesn't support 13th gen I'm going to assume the latter because that's the better scenario here and it would be a sin in my book to overlook the BIOS and just you know assume the chip is dead considering how expensive it is so let's try to flash the latest stable bios for this b660 board if that doesn't work then we'll just replace the CPU I think it's fair to say at this point the only thing wrong with it is CPU related so it looks like version 7.02 released last year was the one that supported 13 gen processors it would make any sense at all for the subsequent updates to Nuke 13 gen support that would be counterintuitive so I'm going to flash the latest revision it's going to be 9.02 and actually I just thought of something why don't we just boot into the bio since we can get it to post now and check what bios revision we're currently running that'll narrow things down right away so this is interesting he does currently have a bios revision that supports 13th gen on this board you can see there it's 8.03 however the this is not the most recent bios revision which is 9.02 on asrock's site and you can see here it says that it actually improves memory compatibility is it possible that that subreddit was right all the people in there saying that it was just a memory kit problem maybe they were on to something and that's why ASRock decided to roll out another bios revision I want to give his 13th gen chip one last chance to prove itself I also do want to try that 13th gen CPU with a different memory I don't know configs I want to try a different memory kit altogether and I want to try a single dim in multiple slots it's also possible we have a dead memory Channel or something like that and of course you wouldn't see that on a 12th gen chip that works perfectly fine even if the BIOS works for both chips right having a dead memory channel would prevent a system from posting because I've seen that in previous fix or flop episodes so let's let's give another shot we're going to go over to Tool and then instant flash yes and then that is the ROM we will click update and please please please do not touch anything around your system them while this takes place you don't want to break the motherboard eight hours later and okay I just realized that was like super oh my gosh super zoomed in sorry uh we are 9.02 already his CPU has been reinstalled let us see what happens now uh hello oh there it goes how we looking on the nope both the CPU and dram lights are on again back to square one um okay swap some dims around this is a known working ddr4 dim wow this is such a throwback but I love the way these Dom Flats look and we're gonna move this single dim across all four slots and try for a post in each slot A1 is a big fat fail and same goes for slots two through four regardless of the slot this dim is in which is known working we don't get a post just a black screen like before so it wasn't a bios issue I think at this point it's just the CPU so I think it's safe to say the viewers kit of ddr4 is just fine you know it's weird because the chip gets hot it gets very hot actually very fast so it's not like it's completely bricked I mean it's receiving power it's just uh I don't know if it knows what to do with it and who knows maybe I can send the broken chip back to Intel and get a replacement to use in another broken rig at some point that would be nice but I'm not counting on it I've got a spare 13 600k here that sure could use a good home it'll serve as a nice little upgrade right over 13 400 F and I don't think we'll have a cooler limitation I mean this one here from thermal right is it's not bad new chip is in dabbed up and we're gonna sandwich this cooler right on top of it and while we're at it we'll go ahead and clean up cable management a bit for him it was a it was messy beforehand admittedly but that was because he was part swapping himself and just threw everything back in here before giving it to me which I appreciate it so uh don't uh don't absolutely blast them in the comments please he was doing the right thing also notice around the back these two and a half inch trays are loose for some reason you just slot these in below and then tighten them back down oh yeah I think this makes a world of difference and it wasn't a lot of work it wasn't super complicated it just goes a long way to clean up cable management especially on the left side if you've got a tempered glass panel and I think the biggest difference with the supplemental pcie cable it's got this daisy chain effect going on a lot of power supplies use this but if you use the shorter connector and then tie off the extension the daisy chain part of the cable then you can get really clean lines when you look at things from the front right it just looks like one solid cable I think this looks so much better and again it takes like 10 seconds to do the last thing to do then is power the rig on just to make sure that our 13600k is good to go again I suspect that it will be the debug LEDs are not acting funky anymore which is great I think we'll get a post here any second um that's really great news I mean honestly the fact that we only had to replace the CPU despite it being just a very odd set of circumstances for the the system just to randomly freeze one day kept having to reset it to get it to work and then that was only for a finite amount of time and then the next day it just completely refuses to post that doesn't sound off the top of your head right like a CPU issue it's not the first thing I'd hone in on but that ended up fixing it I have no idea what is wrong with this 13 400f it's definitely not just a dead memory Channel maybe it's two dead channels uh I I don't really know I know the motherboard was definitely freaking out though and I think in the safe bet it's just to replace the trip outright with one that we know where it's getting a small upgrade as well and uh we'll send him on his way with thankfully a working rig again I'm also really glad we didn't have to replace this motherboard again there aren't many white b660 boards on the market this might be one of the only ones and I was gonna have to order an exact replacement which would have taken a few days so the fact that the CPU isn't really playing into the Aesthetics of this rig really does help us out build better and smarter with the Corsair IQ link ecosystem a Leap Forward in PC Building aimed at reducing cable clutter and maximizing Hardware compatibility run a single controller with the IQ system Hub and manage all of your RGB devices through revamp software that fits almost anywhere in your case and allows for up to seven connected devices in a single cable design spanning across fans coolers power supplies cases and more from Corsair click the link below to learn more with that hopefully you enjoyed watching this one play out and hopefully you learned a thing or two I know I definitely did I've got to say I'm fairly shocked that my no dram scenario pay dividends here whereas historically it hasn't you know removing system ran from an equation typically makes the PC behave in a bunch of weird ways you'll see a bunch of codes thrown if you have a doctor debug or something like that on your motherboard and of course the rig will not post but we already were in that situation to begin with and the fact that we saw the exact same symptoms after entirely removing dram from the equation told me that it was likely a CPU problem that allowed me to bypass the power supply and the graphics card as potential issues possibly saved me 20 or 30 minutes in troubleshooting I can't say it'll always work out that way but for whatever reason I was pretty confident in this one if you guys enjoyed watching this one give it a thumbs up if you want to see a follow-up on the supposedly defective CPU I'm going to upload that video it's going to be a very rough draft I'm not going to bother polishing it like I do on YouTube I'm going to upload those results to patreon so if you want to see if the 13400f for example Works in a different b660 mother board or a z69 using 790 motherboard I will upload that to patreon within the next few days if you want to support us there I think as little as three dollars get you access to pretty much everything that support is appreciated otherwise again leave your feedback in the comment section below give this one a thumbs up thought it was cool if you want to join our public Discord server we can do so via the link below consider subscribing if you haven't already and I will catch you in the next one my name is Greg thanks for learning thank youthis PC is about three months old Parts bought brand new and I built it for my girlfriend a few days ago the PC began completely freezing and would need a restart to use it the next day the system did not display any picture at all but strangely it had no debug LEDs and all the system fans in RGB worked just fine after I tried reseeding Ram the CPU and dram debug light started lighting up I then started trying my own Ram trying my graphics card even power supply resetting the CMOS and flashing a new bios trying two different versions that were compatible with the CPU putting Ram in each and every slot one by one steps not in order I cannot figure out what could possibly be the problem well this rig has been through a lot we'll refer to this as the viewers rig even though I know it's technically his girlfriends but sounds like he swapped out a ton of stuff which is good if you have Parts laying around that you can swap with ones you suspect might be dead that can really help narrow down the issue he said that watching or fixer lot videos really helped him you know gain the confidence to do this for her rig and that's super cool I mean that's one of the reasons why I enjoy making these videos is that I know they can be helpful for the right person in the right circumstance there are two ways a computer can die slowly or quickly and this appears to be the case of the former where we were seeing a few symptoms the system was occasionally crashing or freezing needed a hard reset to get going again and then all of a sudden just decide not to boot up after that if it's a serious Hardware issue something blows up in your rig it's just not going to power on at all right it's going to shut down immediately you're not going to see those intermittent blue screens or crashes but we were seeing that here and that's kind of concerning because I don't know if there's just one thing wrong with this or multiple and of course to make matters worse I only have secondhand knowledge regarding how the system behaved prior to showing up here today A few things I do want to say about the system though as it stands it looks really clean this is clearly a white themed build he from the looks of it narrowed things down to either the motherboard or CPU although I will quickly roll out the other components that he already mentioned and I did mention that if the motherboard needed to be replaced it might be difficult to find a white PCB replacement like the steel Legend he currently has in here he was fine with that his priority at this point was just to get it back up and running for his girlfriend with that I think it is time to jump into the troubleshooting hopefully we get this ring back up and running by the end of this video are you ready stay with me to get rid of that annoying Windows activation Watermark head on over to VIP SCD key purchase a Windows 10 Pro OEM key for a fraction of the price of retail just see the secure payment method like PayPal enter your product key and your PC settings window and say goodbye to the watermark and be sure to use our offer code skgs or a sew wheat discount right so first things first we need our Baseline this is our starting point this will tell us hopefully where we need to go from here I want to see what this PC does when we fire it up I know right away I haven't even pushed the button yet we do have lights around the motherboard so that's a good sign from a power standpoint at least it does power on everything sounds okay so far oh but okay so we do have two different debug LEDs lit which I've honestly never seen before in a board so yeah obviously no post no picture to our monitor just a black screen but I do want to show you these two red LEDs so they typically run in sequence you'll see one light up and then another and then another and then that bottom one is usually the boot LED that'll tell you that the system checks are clean and the system has supposedly posted but uh we have both the CPU and the dram LEDs on right now I've never seen that before and I feel like this is something we might be able to figure out in this board's manual maybe it's trying to tell us something we'll check there first before we start swapping hardware and manipulating you know dram slots and things a few moments later right so the manual was pretty much useless I should have seen that coming but I did find something on Reddit so these redditors for the most part have the same issue we do and they're saying it has to do with ram compatibility the specific kits are not compatible with this particular motherboard for some reason and swapping kits fix the issue that sounds awfully odd since by default most of these kits will just stick to 2133 whatever the base frequency is for ddr4 out of the box you can enable docp or XMP after the fact but I don't see why this would prevent the system from posting and it seems like if that is the issue simply clearing the CMOS would get around it I'd be pretty surprised if clearing the CMOS fixed all of our problems and from the looks of it this viewer already tried that I'll show you how to do it though here in this video and then we're going to move on to the dims themselves we'll swap to a different kit entirely and we'll try a single stick a known working dim in every single slot maybe we're dealing with a dead memory Channel or something along those lines this is an Intel platform by the way not an AMD one in case you're wondering for starters you'll want to locate the two pins on your motherboard labeled something along the lines of clear CMOS or CMOS or in this case CLR MOS jumped these for about 20 seconds with something conductive like a screwdriver if you can't find them maybe they're behind your graphics card you move on to this battery take the battery out with the system powered off leave it out for a few minutes and this should effectively kill power to the volatile memory chip holding your system clock information it will reset your bios settings anything in there that's preventing your system from posting should be wiped clean as if the system was brand new now let's fire the rig up again but nope as we suspected the rig is still behaving the exact same way and the two upper debug lights are still illuminated now I don't often do this next part but because I'm curious you know this is a symptom I've frankly never seen before I'm going to remove both dims I want to see what the system does when no Ram is installed well well well would you like it there the two lights are still on which tells me that it's probably not a dram issue the reason why I'm thinking that is because the CPU is one of the first things that the motherboard checks before a full post and if this is happening literally within a split second of powering the rig on it hasn't even gotten to the point of checking dram yet because it's being stumped by something that comes before that typically the CPU is checked first it's the most vital organ in the PC body so I think we've got a CPU problem that that would be my guess here this doesn't look like a power supply issue everything seems to be getting powered just fine it doesn't look like a graphics card issue either because again we're getting symptoms that uh you know come before the VGA check in the post process so let's see what we've got going on under here and yes I know this is conventionally out of order typically you'd want to roll out the easier things first but this smells like a CPU issue and it's not CPU related it's probably motherboard related I don't want to spend any more time ruling out things that I just I don't feel are involved in this equation so this is an i5 13 400 F okay all right and now if this is a b660 motherboard it is possible we have a bios incompatibility and maybe that's what this board's trying tell us though it does sound like the viewer flashed two different biosis if I recall correctly and both of them he said were compatible with this board and with this chip of course but that's something we're definitely gonna have to follow up on if we see no physical signs of damage in the socket or underneath the CPU the socket as far as I can see looks totally fine and same goes for the CPU everything looks great the pads are not being blocked by anything uh yeah so far so good now this board does have a bios flashback function So in theory we could update this bios without even installing a CPU however for the sake of I don't know I just at this point sheer entertainment sure curiosity I want to see if I can get this rig to turn on with one of my own 12th gen CPUs if it is a bios problem and this is a b660 board which I think it is even though I haven't actually seen it is it's a b660 steel legend that should work natively with 12th gen so I'll pop one in there screw it why not so I've got a 12 500 here which would be perfect for this little experiment I am not going to reinstall the CPU Cooler I just want to see if we can replicate that double debug LED thing we were seeing earlier his original Ram by the way is back in the system just to minimize variables let's see what happens foreign we just have one debug light now the CPU debug light is off that's odd oh now all the debug lights are off VGA lights on that's a post my friends wow that worked I'm just I'm just confused at this point because the system was apparently working just fine the only thing we changed was the CPU so either the CPU is dead or the BIOS currently on the board just doesn't support 13th gen I'm going to assume the latter because that's the better scenario here and it would be a sin in my book to overlook the BIOS and just you know assume the chip is dead considering how expensive it is so let's try to flash the latest stable bios for this b660 board if that doesn't work then we'll just replace the CPU I think it's fair to say at this point the only thing wrong with it is CPU related so it looks like version 7.02 released last year was the one that supported 13 gen processors it would make any sense at all for the subsequent updates to Nuke 13 gen support that would be counterintuitive so I'm going to flash the latest revision it's going to be 9.02 and actually I just thought of something why don't we just boot into the bio since we can get it to post now and check what bios revision we're currently running that'll narrow things down right away so this is interesting he does currently have a bios revision that supports 13th gen on this board you can see there it's 8.03 however the this is not the most recent bios revision which is 9.02 on asrock's site and you can see here it says that it actually improves memory compatibility is it possible that that subreddit was right all the people in there saying that it was just a memory kit problem maybe they were on to something and that's why ASRock decided to roll out another bios revision I want to give his 13th gen chip one last chance to prove itself I also do want to try that 13th gen CPU with a different memory I don't know configs I want to try a different memory kit altogether and I want to try a single dim in multiple slots it's also possible we have a dead memory Channel or something like that and of course you wouldn't see that on a 12th gen chip that works perfectly fine even if the BIOS works for both chips right having a dead memory channel would prevent a system from posting because I've seen that in previous fix or flop episodes so let's let's give another shot we're going to go over to Tool and then instant flash yes and then that is the ROM we will click update and please please please do not touch anything around your system them while this takes place you don't want to break the motherboard eight hours later and okay I just realized that was like super oh my gosh super zoomed in sorry uh we are 9.02 already his CPU has been reinstalled let us see what happens now uh hello oh there it goes how we looking on the nope both the CPU and dram lights are on again back to square one um okay swap some dims around this is a known working ddr4 dim wow this is such a throwback but I love the way these Dom Flats look and we're gonna move this single dim across all four slots and try for a post in each slot A1 is a big fat fail and same goes for slots two through four regardless of the slot this dim is in which is known working we don't get a post just a black screen like before so it wasn't a bios issue I think at this point it's just the CPU so I think it's safe to say the viewers kit of ddr4 is just fine you know it's weird because the chip gets hot it gets very hot actually very fast so it's not like it's completely bricked I mean it's receiving power it's just uh I don't know if it knows what to do with it and who knows maybe I can send the broken chip back to Intel and get a replacement to use in another broken rig at some point that would be nice but I'm not counting on it I've got a spare 13 600k here that sure could use a good home it'll serve as a nice little upgrade right over 13 400 F and I don't think we'll have a cooler limitation I mean this one here from thermal right is it's not bad new chip is in dabbed up and we're gonna sandwich this cooler right on top of it and while we're at it we'll go ahead and clean up cable management a bit for him it was a it was messy beforehand admittedly but that was because he was part swapping himself and just threw everything back in here before giving it to me which I appreciate it so uh don't uh don't absolutely blast them in the comments please he was doing the right thing also notice around the back these two and a half inch trays are loose for some reason you just slot these in below and then tighten them back down oh yeah I think this makes a world of difference and it wasn't a lot of work it wasn't super complicated it just goes a long way to clean up cable management especially on the left side if you've got a tempered glass panel and I think the biggest difference with the supplemental pcie cable it's got this daisy chain effect going on a lot of power supplies use this but if you use the shorter connector and then tie off the extension the daisy chain part of the cable then you can get really clean lines when you look at things from the front right it just looks like one solid cable I think this looks so much better and again it takes like 10 seconds to do the last thing to do then is power the rig on just to make sure that our 13600k is good to go again I suspect that it will be the debug LEDs are not acting funky anymore which is great I think we'll get a post here any second um that's really great news I mean honestly the fact that we only had to replace the CPU despite it being just a very odd set of circumstances for the the system just to randomly freeze one day kept having to reset it to get it to work and then that was only for a finite amount of time and then the next day it just completely refuses to post that doesn't sound off the top of your head right like a CPU issue it's not the first thing I'd hone in on but that ended up fixing it I have no idea what is wrong with this 13 400f it's definitely not just a dead memory Channel maybe it's two dead channels uh I I don't really know I know the motherboard was definitely freaking out though and I think in the safe bet it's just to replace the trip outright with one that we know where it's getting a small upgrade as well and uh we'll send him on his way with thankfully a working rig again I'm also really glad we didn't have to replace this motherboard again there aren't many white b660 boards on the market this might be one of the only ones and I was gonna have to order an exact replacement which would have taken a few days so the fact that the CPU isn't really playing into the Aesthetics of this rig really does help us out build better and smarter with the Corsair IQ link ecosystem a Leap Forward in PC Building aimed at reducing cable clutter and maximizing Hardware compatibility run a single controller with the IQ system Hub and manage all of your RGB devices through revamp software that fits almost anywhere in your case and allows for up to seven connected devices in a single cable design spanning across fans coolers power supplies cases and more from Corsair click the link below to learn more with that hopefully you enjoyed watching this one play out and hopefully you learned a thing or two I know I definitely did I've got to say I'm fairly shocked that my no dram scenario pay dividends here whereas historically it hasn't you know removing system ran from an equation typically makes the PC behave in a bunch of weird ways you'll see a bunch of codes thrown if you have a doctor debug or something like that on your motherboard and of course the rig will not post but we already were in that situation to begin with and the fact that we saw the exact same symptoms after entirely removing dram from the equation told me that it was likely a CPU problem that allowed me to bypass the power supply and the graphics card as potential issues possibly saved me 20 or 30 minutes in troubleshooting I can't say it'll always work out that way but for whatever reason I was pretty confident in this one if you guys enjoyed watching this one give it a thumbs up if you want to see a follow-up on the supposedly defective CPU I'm going to upload that video it's going to be a very rough draft I'm not going to bother polishing it like I do on YouTube I'm going to upload those results to patreon so if you want to see if the 13400f for example Works in a different b660 mother board or a z69 using 790 motherboard I will upload that to patreon within the next few days if you want to support us there I think as little as three dollars get you access to pretty much everything that support is appreciated otherwise again leave your feedback in the comment section below give this one a thumbs up thought it was cool if you want to join our public Discord server we can do so via the link below consider subscribing if you haven't already and I will catch you in the next one my name is Greg thanks for learning thank you\n"