Ryzen 7 1700 - Should You Buy One - Part 4 - Update

**Ryzen 7: A Great Choice for Gamers, but Not for Everyone**

If you're building a gaming PC, Ryzen 7 is definitely worth considering. The new CPU offers better multitasking performance due to its quad-channel RAM capabilities. This means that you can handle multiple tasks simultaneously without any issues. However, if you're not a gamer or don't need the extra processing power, Ryzen 7 might not be the best choice.

For non-gaming users who want to spend less than $300, there are other options available. Building a machine with a budget of $1,500 is still possible, and in fact, it's recommended as you'll get better performance for your money. If you're building a budget machine, consider opting for a Ryzen 5 1600 instead. While four-core CPUs may seem outdated now, they're not yet yesterday's technology, but rather entry-level options.

**Ryzen 5 1600: The Minimum CPU to Build a New Machine**

If you don't need a new machine immediately and can wait about four months for the next Ryzen refresh, it's recommended to do so. A new Ryzen build with the Ryzen 7 1700 will be available soon, but if you're ready to buy or build now, consider opting for a Ryzen 5 1600. This CPU is still a great choice and offers excellent performance for its price.

**Ryzen Refresh: What to Expect**

In about four months, we can expect a new refresh of the Ryzen series. While the exact details are not yet known, it's expected that the next-generation CPUs will offer improved performance due to the 10nm shrink. The new CPUs will likely feature eight cores and 16 threads, which is becoming the standard for consumer desktops.

However, if you're planning to buy or build a machine in the near future, it's best to wait. The refresh cycle of the Ryzen series happens every six months, so there will be another update soon after this one. If you're sitting around waiting for the next big thing, you'll always be waiting.

**Alternative: Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake**

Meanwhile, Intel has already released its new 8th-gen Core processors based on the Cascade Lake architecture. These CPUs are still very powerful and offer excellent performance for most users. However, it's worth noting that they're not yet the best option due to their higher power consumption.

In about a year and a half, we can expect Intel to release its next-generation CPUs based on the 10nm shrink. These new CPUs will feature eight cores and 16 threads, which is becoming the standard for consumer desktops. Until then, it's worth considering the current options available.

**Final Thoughts**

If you're looking to build a PC today and don't need the latest and greatest technology, consider opting for a Ryzen 5 1600 or an Intel Core i7 8700K. These CPUs offer excellent performance and are still supported by their respective manufacturers.

Remember to check out the links in the video description if you want to build one of these machines. I've also built other PC builds on my channel, including the i7 8700K build and the SkyLynx X build. Take a look at those videos for more information on building a PC with these CPUs.

Thank you for watching this article on Ryzen 7 and the upcoming refresh cycle. Don't forget to subscribe to my channel and check out the links in the video description for more content.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello and welcome to tech deals part 4 of the Rison 7 1700 computer build video series sort of if you are a longtime viewer welcome back if you are a new give me a minute to explain why this is on my desk and why there is a nine-month gap between part 3 and part 4 of this video the short short version is I love risin this became my daily driver I started using it and I never looked back which is why nothing else on this video series ever got posted now this computer has recently been replaced by my skylake ex high n enthusiast desktop system which is currently under the desk now but not to worry this isn't going away it's getting a new lease on life downstairs as a dedicated benchmark and video capture machine now this video is not going to be part of a traditional build video series I'm not doing anything specific in this video other than to talk about my experiences of using this computer for nine months as a daily machine I have done my 4k video rendering and editing on YouTube on this machine I've played games on it it has been my daily driver for nine months and it will continue to be used on a daily basis just in a new position downstairs now this is a premium machine built with premium parts and I'll cover those in a few minutes because I'm sure many of my current viewers were not around in March when I originally did this build a video series however a link to the full playlist will be in the description below if you're interested in seeing it for those of you curious those videos were recorded less than two weeks after I moved home from my office going to YouTube full time so while they're filmed here it looks a little different and sounds a little different because I was very early in the days of moving my filming home from my former office now a lot has changed in the computer industry since March when risin 7 launched and I'll talk about that in the progression of Verizon in this video but since that happened skylake X launched and coffee-like launched and I'll talk about the positioning of rival risin 7 compared to those just a little bit but I mostly want to focus on this machine and talk about why risin 7 and risin 5 which didn't exist when I built this are still both the deals or value for the money for most people a quick recap of what's in this computer because a few things have been changed since I originally built this machine risin 7 1708 core 16 threads CPU a soos crosshair six hero motherboard 240 millimeter all-in-one liquid cooler that's from cooler master of the master liquid we have 32 gigabytes of g.skill ripjaws 5 ddr4 3000 ram because it sunrise and it's running at 29 33 we have the cooler master master maker 5 t mid tower case with dual tempered side glass panels we have the cooler master v8 50 80 plus gold 850 watt power supply we have three solid-state drives in here a 256 gig nvme SX 8000 boot drive from a data a 500 gig Samsung 850 Evo data drive and a new crucial MX 300 525 gig SSD there was a hard drive in the build originally that has been removed and then finally we have the gigabyte or ass extreme GT X 1080 Ti you can see that right there it is a wonderful wonderful graphics card utterly silent some parts of this build would actually be less expensive to do today than they were when I first put it together but others are more expensive the SSD prices and the RAM prices are higher today in December of 2017 than they were back in March this case however is much less expensive on the day I was filming it it was a hundred and sixty-five dollars after mail-in rebate on Amazon don't expect that price to last very long but at least it's there for a few days after I film this that is a really good price for this case and at that price I give this case two and a half thumbs up it is very well built excellent cable management it's beautiful with the frosted tempered glass side panels on the side it's actually very very nice my main complaint with it when I did the original review and the original build was it's very nice it's just very expensive at a hundred and sixty-five dollars my cost complaint largely goes away as built this computer is currently nearly $2,500 $2,500 justifies one hundred and sixty five dollar case all day long please do not put a two plus thousand dollar computer in an $80.00 case that's almost a crime having said that while I'm very happy with the case there are some changes that I would make if I were building this today if you're watching this video in December of 2017 or maybe even January going well I'm interested but what would you change first of all for a machine of this caliber horizon 7 1700 X or possibly even the 1,800 X would have been justified I should have put the 1700 X in here I have never gotten either of my Rison 7 1700 cpu stable at 4 gigahertz on any kind of cooling on any board let me clarify that statement because I'm sure some people are gonna go wait a minute you've got great cooling what's the problem it's not a cooling issue this CPU barely gets over 60 degrees on full load that 240 millimeter liquid cooler has no problem keeping that CPU cool it is completely stable at 3.8 gigahertz and mostly stable at 3.9 although I have had the machine blue-screen on me at 3.9 voltage makes no difference one point three five one point four one point four five the CPU simply doesn't want to run that fast now my other rise in seven 1700 CPU will do three point nine sit stable it will not do four point oh my 1700 X and my 1800 X are both rock-solid stable at 4.0 gigahertz now the main difference between those two CPUs is my 1700 X requires one point four volts to do 4.0 gigahertz my 1800 X does 4.0 at stock voltage it is more expensive but if you don't want to mess around with voltage you want to get four gigahertz you're much more likely to do it with an 1800 X but if you're willing to play with voltage settings in the BIOS most 1700 X's should at some reasonable voltage setting hit 4.0 the next change I'd make is the motherboard now this is a very nice motherboard it works great no problems but to be honest it's expensive for no real reason that I can find it does not overclock better than the less expensive boards you can see in front of me I have Anasuya Strix B 350 - Jeff 110 dollars after mail-in rebate on the day I film this video that board is currently 230 dollars it's double the money for what okay it has sli improper crossfire support great I don't recommend those anyway but putting that issue aside it doesn't overclock faster it does not have more MDOT two slots for more nvme drives it's some yeah I'm not actually sure why it's more expensive so would not buy again as nice as it is now if you don't want to be 350 for whatever reason you can get the ex 370 Prime Pro from a soos if you want RGB if you want something gorgeous in this beautiful case because when you put I'll put it on in a minute but the tempered glass the frost on here is gorgeous with the lights get a board such as the k7 from gigabyte it has RGB for days it is just under $200 but it's got some really nice features on it or you could get the k5 for a slightly reduced priced and slightly reduced RGB but the k7 if you're gonna do this why not and if you go with msi take a look at their gaming carbon boards between 130 to 150 dollars depending upon the model on the rebates they're offering those are perfectly fine and they'll get you nice overclocks as well for a whole lot less money than this nice but kind of expensive board I want to back up to the CPU for a second if you want to buy a rise in 7 1700 skip the liquid cooler it doesn't add anything the risin 7 1700 comes with the Wraith spire RGB stop cooler it's a 95 watt TDP cooler it does the job just fine it'll run a risin 7 1700 at 3.7 gigahertz with no issues whatsoever you can completely save the cost in trouble of installing a liquid cooler if you're not gonna buy the X chip that brings us to storage what would I do is storage with this if I had it to do all over again the single biggest decision that I would make differently is the boot SSD on the nvme port would be a 500 gig drive one of the biggest limitations are ran into is trying to work with a 256 gigabyte boot drive too many things in video content creation use temp files and things get saved to the C Drive and yes you can remap and yes you can install things to the other SSD but I constantly found my C Drive running up to 80 to 85% full if all SSD starts to slow down when they become full so you don't want to fill them up much beyond about 80 to 85 percent if you want to keep them at full speed and for my use for 4k video editing for daily content creation that was not nearly large enough now when you go to the larger sizes the SX 8,000 that's in there which is a very nice mlc drive rather than TLC drive so it's got great write endurance it'll last basically forever is just over two hundred dollars the samsung 960 evo 500 gig drive is about $40 more expensive and it's slightly smaller 512 gigs versus 500 that being said if you are building a $2,500 machine the $40 price difference is not a big deal or it shouldn't be and as I noted in my which nvme should you buy video a couple of months ago when it comes to nvme drives you have the samsung 960 Evo and you have the samsung 960 Evo and then you have everything else now that doesn't mean the other drives are slow I also tested the Western Digital black I've got a Kingston Drive I've got a few other nvme drives since I did that video nothing touches the Samsung 960s right now they are incredibly quick if you're spending two plus thousand dollars on your computer spend the 40 bucks get a samsung 960 Evo or a 960 Pro if you really need the right endurance and you want sustained rights beyond the SLC cash buffer but most people are fine with an Evo but pro is only first I we say Pro users I do have a pro by the way in my skylake X machine but that's a four plus thousand dollar computer so again the pro drive is the only one to go with there interestingly enough when we move down to the SATA SSDs from my additional storage it basically then doesn't matter what you buy buy based upon price the adata su 800 the Samsung 850 Evo the crucial MX 300 the SanDisk altered to the Western Digital blue they're all basically the same performance I mean they're plus or minus 10% you'll never notice that I don't notice it if you put these blind into different machines I don't think I could pick them apart so when it comes to these sorts of drives by based upon how many dollars per gigabyte that you spend and don't worry about the rest of it too much because performance a longevity endurance warranty are all very very similar between these drives and as far as I'm concerned they're largely interchangeable buy based on price what about graphics card now when it comes to graphics card if you're building a 2,500 arm machine a 1080 Ti is the only choice you have in December of 2017 should you buy the gigabyte or extreme 1080 Ti sure if you like the gigabyte or branding what about the MSI gaming X yes if you like the gaming explaining what about the for the win 3 or the super clock 2 yes if you like it doesn't make any difference by whichever 1080 TTI you like from a price to performance point of view generally whichever one is the least expensive - a couple of models is the one you should buy for example I would skip the msi armor for example but the Duke is a good card I have one of those the gaming X the gaming edge trio I would skip the blower style cards unless you don't have a case like this if you have a small case maybe a for whatever reason you put together a mini ITX or a micro ATX board case and you don't have a lot of airflow sure but otherwise get a dual or triple fan large open air cooler and at that point it becomes about aesthetics I recently did a review of the MSI gaming x-trail which is an $800 card big fancy flashy it's about $70 more expensive than the duke for example is it faster than the duke yeah by 50 megahertz that doesn't make any difference is it cooler than the duke yes by a few degrees is it quieter than the duke maybe a sound measuring device would tell the difference it's it's virtually indistinguishable if I swapped out a Duke for a gaming extra oh you'd never notice the difference if I swapped out that gigabyte horas extreme for the standard gigabyte triple fan card that cost a lot less expensive would you really notice no you wouldn't however you'd notice the difference to your pocketbook the question is do you want the big flashy fancy card that just has a WOW factor written all over it or do you want the best price to performance then it just becomes a personal choice this does provide me an opportunity to show you something about these big heavy cards and one of the things I didn't appreciate at the time about the master maker 5 T case take a look at how thick that's a two and a half slot thick card it is heavy now I added the VGA support bracket that this case comes with most cases do not come with it but it's holding this card level at the moment it spent nine months of its life not being held level I installed this like three hours before I started filming this video now what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this out of the way and I want you to watch the card move notice how it came down and sag I'm gonna put it back and lift that up notice that it holds the weight of the card I'm gonna let it side back down again and now it's not major and it has in fact been running fine for nine months so if you don't have a VGA support bracket you're probably fine two years three years it is a heavy heavy card I'm actually going to leave that VGA support bracket in place I've never used a BGA support bracket before I've seen some videos done by Jays $0.02 and some other channels and I kind of looked at me and went it doesn't really matter well you be the judge I'm impressed by how much it actually lifts that card up and holds it horizontal I tweeted out some before-and-after pictures on Twitter and got a bunch of responses from that link to my Twitter down in the video description below but if you don't want your card sagging and putting all that stress on your motherboard that's a nice feature of this case I have now turned the system on so you can see the new red LED light strips that I've installed this case comes with one light strip right down here I've added two more there are two light strips in each box they come in multiple colors they come in blue white red etc they also make an RGB version of this unlike the light strings that you have to like actually lay out and maybe tape inside these are light bars and they're magnetic they simply come right off the case just like so and because it's hard you don't have to worry about it being straight anywhere in the case that's metal they'll simply snap right on or you could always use double sided tape or something else to put them on the same thing is true as this one down here it's also magnetic and you just lift it up it sits down there we go and I've got one on the top now I the lights are on of course I'm going to turn them off in just a second and I'm also going to put the frosted tempered glass on as well because it's gonna look very different with the glass on the with the glass off I have now turned the lights off the only light on my face is from actually the computer monitor off screen lighting up half of my face but otherwise all the lights in the room are off the frosted tempered glass panel is installed which is why the color is not as red as it was before which of course you're gonna run the computer with the panel on most likely so you're gonna see it frosted that way now I don't have any RGB RAM in and I'm doing anything with the motherboard if you had for example the gigabyte k7 you could do a lot more with RGB if you wanted to and of course if you had the RGB strips but if you simply want to add some more lighting to your case put in some accent lighting for $20 you can get yourself a pair of strips that simply give you three nice red LED light strips for the case and now you can see what the system looks like with the three red LED light strips turned off you can see it's completely muted there's just a couple of lights inside from the motherboard and then of course the RGB lighting on the Gigabyte Oris extreme itself which is also software configurable that can be turned off if you don't want that or perhaps you have a different card now the system does come with one red LED strip and if i turn that on this is what it looks like so this is how the case actually comes you can set it to be always on the way you're looking at right now you can set it to be always off the way it was or we can press the strip one more time and it does this it cycles on and off why you would want that on or under your desk I don't know but hey if you want it there it is and now the lights are turned back on but I left the tempered glass side panel on so you can see what it looks like you can also see the reflection of my lights and my microphone stand which is why I had to cover off for most of this video please note of course that you're not gonna have studio lighting the way I do your system is gonna be on or under your desk and it's not gonna have light shining directly at it the way I do here now there is a fan controller on the front of this case the microphone is right here so it's right next to this you may I'm gonna be silent for a second and let you listen it's currently running in hi I'm gonna switch it to low and let the microphone record directly over the machine so that's high that's low that's changing the speed of the fans in the system back to high can you hear a difference now the microphone is about maybe eight inches away from the computer it's an overhead boom microphone it's only offset about four inches from the computer it's very quiet it is not inaudible because we have intake fans exhaust fans a liquid cooler on the top it simply is not going to be completely silent but it is pretty quiet less so here on my desk but when it was under my machine it wasn't an issue at all okay enough about this computer a quick look at risin 5 1600 X and 9x risin 7 1700 X + 9 X versus the coffee like options vs. skylake X options vs. what's coming in 2018 with rising refresh a lot of people call it Zen - it isn't Zen - that's coming 2019 but there is a rise of refresh coming in the spring and then Canon like the coffee lake refresh is also coming in the spring first let me get the elephant in the room out of the way up front would I build a new risin 7 anything today in December of 2017 for 98% of you know I would not it is a great value for the money but I wouldn't the only people who should put together a rise in 7 machine today at this point in my opinion are content creators who simply cannot afford to step up to sky like X people who primarily do multi tasking virtual machines software development and other non gaming tasks and for whatever reason can't afford the high-end desktop platform or don't want to if gaming is your primary interest and 60 to 100 frames per second is all you expect out of your computer a risin 5 1600 using the included wraith spar cooler on a $100 be 350 motherboard is all you need at 3.7 gigahertz that will play all current games with an appropriate graphics card which is a separate conversation at 60 to 100 frames per second without any issue whatsoever if you want more performance that it's not rising 7 its coffee like the i7 8700 K is dramatically faster in gaming than the rise in 7 CPUs I've got a video on my channel with 40 benchmarks showing that the short answer is even in cases that favor the rise in ship the reality is the risin 7 1700 only matches the 8700 K stock for stock and overclock for overclock but in most other situations the coffee lake CPU is faster in all respects now it does cost more I appreciate that you're gonna spend $400 for the CPU and a hundred and fifty dollars for the motherboard fair enough $300 for the CPU and a hundred and fifty dollars for the motherboard but for a hundred dollars more you get up to 40% more performance real performance not just like maybe in a benchmark we're talking dramatically large performance differences in games and general day-to-day use now please do not misunderstand me Rison is an incredible value for the money but now I think risin 5 1600 is the deal it's $100 less expensive and very few people today actually need an 8 core CPU now it is true that the 8 core CPU will probably last longer you'll get maybe another year or 2 years of use out of it versus the 6 core as everything just goes in cores in the future but the lower clock speed may very well hold you back five years from now I generally gave the advice that the Rison 7 made sense before coffee like launched now that coffee lake is launched if you're building any kind of premium machine just get an 80 700 K I know it cost more it really is faster but if you are gaming and you are looking for the deal if you're looking for the value for your money it's not coffee like it's risin 5 1600 all day long now inevitably somebody's gonna ask about the i5 k chip the 80 600 K skip it I will do a pill that I will do a detailed look at it but the short answer is skipping it's not worth the bother you either by Rison or you buy top-of-the-line coffee like there's really no in-between there now skylake X is a completely different beast and I've got a whole build video on skyline next on my channel I have a detailed y vlog on that so I'm not gonna repeat it all but here the short short version I replaced this very capable very nice risin 7 machine with a skylake x8 core 16 thread machine why performance was not really why it is faster my skylake x machine is about 25% faster in h.264 Premiere Pro encoding then this Rison 7 machine is but that's not the reason I did it encoding speed is not the limitation to making videos sitting here and filming them and writing them and editing them is what takes all of the time it's the PCI Express Lanes it's the quad channel ram it's the better multitasking performance it's the 64 gigs of ram support which actually this supports 64 gigs of ram but you gotta have 4 16 gig dims which I don't have but I do have 8 8 gigabyte DIMMs which is what's currently in my sky like X system I have 3 nvme solid-state drives in there you can't really put 3 nvme drives into any of the rise it doesn't have enough PCI Express Lanes but I do in my sky like X system currently right now an 8 core 16 thread sky like X will cost you $300 more than a rise in 7 1700 X will now $300 is a decent amount of money but at 25% more speed if you're already spending this kind of money on a machine that's actually pretty reasonable if you're spending $2,500 on a computer and non-gaming is your task put an i7 78 20x for $300 more in not only do you get faster performance you get more PCI Express Lanes you can put more nvme drives in you put more devices expansion you've got quad channel Ram better multitasking performance so Rison 7 is kind of in an odd spot at the moment for non gaming users who don't want to spend that extra $300 maybe you're building a $1,500 machine instead of a 2500 or machine there are enough Rison 7 is still worth considering but if you're spending 2500 on a machine frankly it's sky like X or bust if you're just gaming PI risin 5 1600 the deal all day long quick note unless you are absolutely building a budget machine which is way outside the purview of what we're discussing here don't buy anything less than a 1600 4 core CPUs are yesterday's technology and the whole world is moving past it in about 18 months from now Intel is very likely to eight core 16 thread consumer desktop chips out that's going to be the new standard four core is gonna be very very entry-level so risin 5 1600 X is the minimum that I would build a new machine in unless you're really doing budget quick note on rise and refresh coming next year that is coming about four months from now if you can wait if you don't need to build something sure wait it'll be a couple hundred megahertz faster we'll get a board refresh there'll be some minor refinements to it it is not Zen to a lot of people think oh great this will be the coffee like killer it'll be 50% faster no it won't this is not the big shrink to seven nanometers that is coming about 18 months from now probably spring of 2019 that will be impressive when it comes except when it does Intel will have launched ice Lake which is the coffee Lake replacement of course that's 18 months from now which is an eternity in the computer business but if you can wait four months yes you'll get a little bit more for your money you'll get a nice refresh but if you need a computer today if you're ready to build or buy if your current machine is not meeting your needs and you want something faster or rise in five 1600 is a great choice today they're discounted the motherboards are discounted you'll you'll get many many years of use out of it without a problem the same thing is true of coffee lake by the way cannon Lake is coming next year it is a refresh of coffee like it's not going to be a huge deal it'll be nice but if you're ready to buy or build today an i7 8700 K is an incredibly fast CPU ice Lake is the true replacement for it and that is also probably 18 months out that's the 10 nanometer shrink that's probably we don't know this for sure gonna be eight cores 16 threads on the consumer side which is really where everything's going as many cores so if you can wait a year and a half that's fine just keep in mind that for the next two or three years we're gonna be getting some type of new CPU launch every six months if you're sitting around going oh man there's something coming in four months I'll wait great when rise and refresh comes in the spring you're just gonna be asking the question do I buy this or do I wait for Canon link we can delay comes you're just gonna be saying do I buy this or wait for Rison to and then you're gonna be saying to I'll wait for I slick by the way Tiger Lake is already the known codename for ice lakes refresh and then Zen threes being worked on for 2020 so by when you're ready if you're waiting for the next big thing you're always gonna be waiting but we are about four months away for those who are curious for the rise in refresh small bump in clock speed probably small bump and RAM support thank you so much for watching this much delayed part four of the rise in seven 1,700 computer build video series like this video if you liked it share it with your friends if you love to remember to subscribe to my channel with that big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section and as always please check out the links in the video description those are affiliate links they do support the channel I'd greatly appreciate it if you can use those when you're shopping this build as it sits will be down in the video description and an alternative less expensive build will be down there as well please take a look at that now I've done an i7 8700 K build on my channel I've done risin 5 1600 builds and I've done sky like X please take a look at my other build videos if you're interested in building one of those machines thank you so much for watching I will see you next timehello and welcome to tech deals part 4 of the Rison 7 1700 computer build video series sort of if you are a longtime viewer welcome back if you are a new give me a minute to explain why this is on my desk and why there is a nine-month gap between part 3 and part 4 of this video the short short version is I love risin this became my daily driver I started using it and I never looked back which is why nothing else on this video series ever got posted now this computer has recently been replaced by my skylake ex high n enthusiast desktop system which is currently under the desk now but not to worry this isn't going away it's getting a new lease on life downstairs as a dedicated benchmark and video capture machine now this video is not going to be part of a traditional build video series I'm not doing anything specific in this video other than to talk about my experiences of using this computer for nine months as a daily machine I have done my 4k video rendering and editing on YouTube on this machine I've played games on it it has been my daily driver for nine months and it will continue to be used on a daily basis just in a new position downstairs now this is a premium machine built with premium parts and I'll cover those in a few minutes because I'm sure many of my current viewers were not around in March when I originally did this build a video series however a link to the full playlist will be in the description below if you're interested in seeing it for those of you curious those videos were recorded less than two weeks after I moved home from my office going to YouTube full time so while they're filmed here it looks a little different and sounds a little different because I was very early in the days of moving my filming home from my former office now a lot has changed in the computer industry since March when risin 7 launched and I'll talk about that in the progression of Verizon in this video but since that happened skylake X launched and coffee-like launched and I'll talk about the positioning of rival risin 7 compared to those just a little bit but I mostly want to focus on this machine and talk about why risin 7 and risin 5 which didn't exist when I built this are still both the deals or value for the money for most people a quick recap of what's in this computer because a few things have been changed since I originally built this machine risin 7 1708 core 16 threads CPU a soos crosshair six hero motherboard 240 millimeter all-in-one liquid cooler that's from cooler master of the master liquid we have 32 gigabytes of g.skill ripjaws 5 ddr4 3000 ram because it sunrise and it's running at 29 33 we have the cooler master master maker 5 t mid tower case with dual tempered side glass panels we have the cooler master v8 50 80 plus gold 850 watt power supply we have three solid-state drives in here a 256 gig nvme SX 8000 boot drive from a data a 500 gig Samsung 850 Evo data drive and a new crucial MX 300 525 gig SSD there was a hard drive in the build originally that has been removed and then finally we have the gigabyte or ass extreme GT X 1080 Ti you can see that right there it is a wonderful wonderful graphics card utterly silent some parts of this build would actually be less expensive to do today than they were when I first put it together but others are more expensive the SSD prices and the RAM prices are higher today in December of 2017 than they were back in March this case however is much less expensive on the day I was filming it it was a hundred and sixty-five dollars after mail-in rebate on Amazon don't expect that price to last very long but at least it's there for a few days after I film this that is a really good price for this case and at that price I give this case two and a half thumbs up it is very well built excellent cable management it's beautiful with the frosted tempered glass side panels on the side it's actually very very nice my main complaint with it when I did the original review and the original build was it's very nice it's just very expensive at a hundred and sixty-five dollars my cost complaint largely goes away as built this computer is currently nearly $2,500 $2,500 justifies one hundred and sixty five dollar case all day long please do not put a two plus thousand dollar computer in an $80.00 case that's almost a crime having said that while I'm very happy with the case there are some changes that I would make if I were building this today if you're watching this video in December of 2017 or maybe even January going well I'm interested but what would you change first of all for a machine of this caliber horizon 7 1700 X or possibly even the 1,800 X would have been justified I should have put the 1700 X in here I have never gotten either of my Rison 7 1700 cpu stable at 4 gigahertz on any kind of cooling on any board let me clarify that statement because I'm sure some people are gonna go wait a minute you've got great cooling what's the problem it's not a cooling issue this CPU barely gets over 60 degrees on full load that 240 millimeter liquid cooler has no problem keeping that CPU cool it is completely stable at 3.8 gigahertz and mostly stable at 3.9 although I have had the machine blue-screen on me at 3.9 voltage makes no difference one point three five one point four one point four five the CPU simply doesn't want to run that fast now my other rise in seven 1700 CPU will do three point nine sit stable it will not do four point oh my 1700 X and my 1800 X are both rock-solid stable at 4.0 gigahertz now the main difference between those two CPUs is my 1700 X requires one point four volts to do 4.0 gigahertz my 1800 X does 4.0 at stock voltage it is more expensive but if you don't want to mess around with voltage you want to get four gigahertz you're much more likely to do it with an 1800 X but if you're willing to play with voltage settings in the BIOS most 1700 X's should at some reasonable voltage setting hit 4.0 the next change I'd make is the motherboard now this is a very nice motherboard it works great no problems but to be honest it's expensive for no real reason that I can find it does not overclock better than the less expensive boards you can see in front of me I have Anasuya Strix B 350 - Jeff 110 dollars after mail-in rebate on the day I film this video that board is currently 230 dollars it's double the money for what okay it has sli improper crossfire support great I don't recommend those anyway but putting that issue aside it doesn't overclock faster it does not have more MDOT two slots for more nvme drives it's some yeah I'm not actually sure why it's more expensive so would not buy again as nice as it is now if you don't want to be 350 for whatever reason you can get the ex 370 Prime Pro from a soos if you want RGB if you want something gorgeous in this beautiful case because when you put I'll put it on in a minute but the tempered glass the frost on here is gorgeous with the lights get a board such as the k7 from gigabyte it has RGB for days it is just under $200 but it's got some really nice features on it or you could get the k5 for a slightly reduced priced and slightly reduced RGB but the k7 if you're gonna do this why not and if you go with msi take a look at their gaming carbon boards between 130 to 150 dollars depending upon the model on the rebates they're offering those are perfectly fine and they'll get you nice overclocks as well for a whole lot less money than this nice but kind of expensive board I want to back up to the CPU for a second if you want to buy a rise in 7 1700 skip the liquid cooler it doesn't add anything the risin 7 1700 comes with the Wraith spire RGB stop cooler it's a 95 watt TDP cooler it does the job just fine it'll run a risin 7 1700 at 3.7 gigahertz with no issues whatsoever you can completely save the cost in trouble of installing a liquid cooler if you're not gonna buy the X chip that brings us to storage what would I do is storage with this if I had it to do all over again the single biggest decision that I would make differently is the boot SSD on the nvme port would be a 500 gig drive one of the biggest limitations are ran into is trying to work with a 256 gigabyte boot drive too many things in video content creation use temp files and things get saved to the C Drive and yes you can remap and yes you can install things to the other SSD but I constantly found my C Drive running up to 80 to 85% full if all SSD starts to slow down when they become full so you don't want to fill them up much beyond about 80 to 85 percent if you want to keep them at full speed and for my use for 4k video editing for daily content creation that was not nearly large enough now when you go to the larger sizes the SX 8,000 that's in there which is a very nice mlc drive rather than TLC drive so it's got great write endurance it'll last basically forever is just over two hundred dollars the samsung 960 evo 500 gig drive is about $40 more expensive and it's slightly smaller 512 gigs versus 500 that being said if you are building a $2,500 machine the $40 price difference is not a big deal or it shouldn't be and as I noted in my which nvme should you buy video a couple of months ago when it comes to nvme drives you have the samsung 960 Evo and you have the samsung 960 Evo and then you have everything else now that doesn't mean the other drives are slow I also tested the Western Digital black I've got a Kingston Drive I've got a few other nvme drives since I did that video nothing touches the Samsung 960s right now they are incredibly quick if you're spending two plus thousand dollars on your computer spend the 40 bucks get a samsung 960 Evo or a 960 Pro if you really need the right endurance and you want sustained rights beyond the SLC cash buffer but most people are fine with an Evo but pro is only first I we say Pro users I do have a pro by the way in my skylake X machine but that's a four plus thousand dollar computer so again the pro drive is the only one to go with there interestingly enough when we move down to the SATA SSDs from my additional storage it basically then doesn't matter what you buy buy based upon price the adata su 800 the Samsung 850 Evo the crucial MX 300 the SanDisk altered to the Western Digital blue they're all basically the same performance I mean they're plus or minus 10% you'll never notice that I don't notice it if you put these blind into different machines I don't think I could pick them apart so when it comes to these sorts of drives by based upon how many dollars per gigabyte that you spend and don't worry about the rest of it too much because performance a longevity endurance warranty are all very very similar between these drives and as far as I'm concerned they're largely interchangeable buy based on price what about graphics card now when it comes to graphics card if you're building a 2,500 arm machine a 1080 Ti is the only choice you have in December of 2017 should you buy the gigabyte or extreme 1080 Ti sure if you like the gigabyte or branding what about the MSI gaming X yes if you like the gaming explaining what about the for the win 3 or the super clock 2 yes if you like it doesn't make any difference by whichever 1080 TTI you like from a price to performance point of view generally whichever one is the least expensive - a couple of models is the one you should buy for example I would skip the msi armor for example but the Duke is a good card I have one of those the gaming X the gaming edge trio I would skip the blower style cards unless you don't have a case like this if you have a small case maybe a for whatever reason you put together a mini ITX or a micro ATX board case and you don't have a lot of airflow sure but otherwise get a dual or triple fan large open air cooler and at that point it becomes about aesthetics I recently did a review of the MSI gaming x-trail which is an $800 card big fancy flashy it's about $70 more expensive than the duke for example is it faster than the duke yeah by 50 megahertz that doesn't make any difference is it cooler than the duke yes by a few degrees is it quieter than the duke maybe a sound measuring device would tell the difference it's it's virtually indistinguishable if I swapped out a Duke for a gaming extra oh you'd never notice the difference if I swapped out that gigabyte horas extreme for the standard gigabyte triple fan card that cost a lot less expensive would you really notice no you wouldn't however you'd notice the difference to your pocketbook the question is do you want the big flashy fancy card that just has a WOW factor written all over it or do you want the best price to performance then it just becomes a personal choice this does provide me an opportunity to show you something about these big heavy cards and one of the things I didn't appreciate at the time about the master maker 5 T case take a look at how thick that's a two and a half slot thick card it is heavy now I added the VGA support bracket that this case comes with most cases do not come with it but it's holding this card level at the moment it spent nine months of its life not being held level I installed this like three hours before I started filming this video now what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull this out of the way and I want you to watch the card move notice how it came down and sag I'm gonna put it back and lift that up notice that it holds the weight of the card I'm gonna let it side back down again and now it's not major and it has in fact been running fine for nine months so if you don't have a VGA support bracket you're probably fine two years three years it is a heavy heavy card I'm actually going to leave that VGA support bracket in place I've never used a BGA support bracket before I've seen some videos done by Jays $0.02 and some other channels and I kind of looked at me and went it doesn't really matter well you be the judge I'm impressed by how much it actually lifts that card up and holds it horizontal I tweeted out some before-and-after pictures on Twitter and got a bunch of responses from that link to my Twitter down in the video description below but if you don't want your card sagging and putting all that stress on your motherboard that's a nice feature of this case I have now turned the system on so you can see the new red LED light strips that I've installed this case comes with one light strip right down here I've added two more there are two light strips in each box they come in multiple colors they come in blue white red etc they also make an RGB version of this unlike the light strings that you have to like actually lay out and maybe tape inside these are light bars and they're magnetic they simply come right off the case just like so and because it's hard you don't have to worry about it being straight anywhere in the case that's metal they'll simply snap right on or you could always use double sided tape or something else to put them on the same thing is true as this one down here it's also magnetic and you just lift it up it sits down there we go and I've got one on the top now I the lights are on of course I'm going to turn them off in just a second and I'm also going to put the frosted tempered glass on as well because it's gonna look very different with the glass on the with the glass off I have now turned the lights off the only light on my face is from actually the computer monitor off screen lighting up half of my face but otherwise all the lights in the room are off the frosted tempered glass panel is installed which is why the color is not as red as it was before which of course you're gonna run the computer with the panel on most likely so you're gonna see it frosted that way now I don't have any RGB RAM in and I'm doing anything with the motherboard if you had for example the gigabyte k7 you could do a lot more with RGB if you wanted to and of course if you had the RGB strips but if you simply want to add some more lighting to your case put in some accent lighting for $20 you can get yourself a pair of strips that simply give you three nice red LED light strips for the case and now you can see what the system looks like with the three red LED light strips turned off you can see it's completely muted there's just a couple of lights inside from the motherboard and then of course the RGB lighting on the Gigabyte Oris extreme itself which is also software configurable that can be turned off if you don't want that or perhaps you have a different card now the system does come with one red LED strip and if i turn that on this is what it looks like so this is how the case actually comes you can set it to be always on the way you're looking at right now you can set it to be always off the way it was or we can press the strip one more time and it does this it cycles on and off why you would want that on or under your desk I don't know but hey if you want it there it is and now the lights are turned back on but I left the tempered glass side panel on so you can see what it looks like you can also see the reflection of my lights and my microphone stand which is why I had to cover off for most of this video please note of course that you're not gonna have studio lighting the way I do your system is gonna be on or under your desk and it's not gonna have light shining directly at it the way I do here now there is a fan controller on the front of this case the microphone is right here so it's right next to this you may I'm gonna be silent for a second and let you listen it's currently running in hi I'm gonna switch it to low and let the microphone record directly over the machine so that's high that's low that's changing the speed of the fans in the system back to high can you hear a difference now the microphone is about maybe eight inches away from the computer it's an overhead boom microphone it's only offset about four inches from the computer it's very quiet it is not inaudible because we have intake fans exhaust fans a liquid cooler on the top it simply is not going to be completely silent but it is pretty quiet less so here on my desk but when it was under my machine it wasn't an issue at all okay enough about this computer a quick look at risin 5 1600 X and 9x risin 7 1700 X + 9 X versus the coffee like options vs. skylake X options vs. what's coming in 2018 with rising refresh a lot of people call it Zen - it isn't Zen - that's coming 2019 but there is a rise of refresh coming in the spring and then Canon like the coffee lake refresh is also coming in the spring first let me get the elephant in the room out of the way up front would I build a new risin 7 anything today in December of 2017 for 98% of you know I would not it is a great value for the money but I wouldn't the only people who should put together a rise in 7 machine today at this point in my opinion are content creators who simply cannot afford to step up to sky like X people who primarily do multi tasking virtual machines software development and other non gaming tasks and for whatever reason can't afford the high-end desktop platform or don't want to if gaming is your primary interest and 60 to 100 frames per second is all you expect out of your computer a risin 5 1600 using the included wraith spar cooler on a $100 be 350 motherboard is all you need at 3.7 gigahertz that will play all current games with an appropriate graphics card which is a separate conversation at 60 to 100 frames per second without any issue whatsoever if you want more performance that it's not rising 7 its coffee like the i7 8700 K is dramatically faster in gaming than the rise in 7 CPUs I've got a video on my channel with 40 benchmarks showing that the short answer is even in cases that favor the rise in ship the reality is the risin 7 1700 only matches the 8700 K stock for stock and overclock for overclock but in most other situations the coffee lake CPU is faster in all respects now it does cost more I appreciate that you're gonna spend $400 for the CPU and a hundred and fifty dollars for the motherboard fair enough $300 for the CPU and a hundred and fifty dollars for the motherboard but for a hundred dollars more you get up to 40% more performance real performance not just like maybe in a benchmark we're talking dramatically large performance differences in games and general day-to-day use now please do not misunderstand me Rison is an incredible value for the money but now I think risin 5 1600 is the deal it's $100 less expensive and very few people today actually need an 8 core CPU now it is true that the 8 core CPU will probably last longer you'll get maybe another year or 2 years of use out of it versus the 6 core as everything just goes in cores in the future but the lower clock speed may very well hold you back five years from now I generally gave the advice that the Rison 7 made sense before coffee like launched now that coffee lake is launched if you're building any kind of premium machine just get an 80 700 K I know it cost more it really is faster but if you are gaming and you are looking for the deal if you're looking for the value for your money it's not coffee like it's risin 5 1600 all day long now inevitably somebody's gonna ask about the i5 k chip the 80 600 K skip it I will do a pill that I will do a detailed look at it but the short answer is skipping it's not worth the bother you either by Rison or you buy top-of-the-line coffee like there's really no in-between there now skylake X is a completely different beast and I've got a whole build video on skyline next on my channel I have a detailed y vlog on that so I'm not gonna repeat it all but here the short short version I replaced this very capable very nice risin 7 machine with a skylake x8 core 16 thread machine why performance was not really why it is faster my skylake x machine is about 25% faster in h.264 Premiere Pro encoding then this Rison 7 machine is but that's not the reason I did it encoding speed is not the limitation to making videos sitting here and filming them and writing them and editing them is what takes all of the time it's the PCI Express Lanes it's the quad channel ram it's the better multitasking performance it's the 64 gigs of ram support which actually this supports 64 gigs of ram but you gotta have 4 16 gig dims which I don't have but I do have 8 8 gigabyte DIMMs which is what's currently in my sky like X system I have 3 nvme solid-state drives in there you can't really put 3 nvme drives into any of the rise it doesn't have enough PCI Express Lanes but I do in my sky like X system currently right now an 8 core 16 thread sky like X will cost you $300 more than a rise in 7 1700 X will now $300 is a decent amount of money but at 25% more speed if you're already spending this kind of money on a machine that's actually pretty reasonable if you're spending $2,500 on a computer and non-gaming is your task put an i7 78 20x for $300 more in not only do you get faster performance you get more PCI Express Lanes you can put more nvme drives in you put more devices expansion you've got quad channel Ram better multitasking performance so Rison 7 is kind of in an odd spot at the moment for non gaming users who don't want to spend that extra $300 maybe you're building a $1,500 machine instead of a 2500 or machine there are enough Rison 7 is still worth considering but if you're spending 2500 on a machine frankly it's sky like X or bust if you're just gaming PI risin 5 1600 the deal all day long quick note unless you are absolutely building a budget machine which is way outside the purview of what we're discussing here don't buy anything less than a 1600 4 core CPUs are yesterday's technology and the whole world is moving past it in about 18 months from now Intel is very likely to eight core 16 thread consumer desktop chips out that's going to be the new standard four core is gonna be very very entry-level so risin 5 1600 X is the minimum that I would build a new machine in unless you're really doing budget quick note on rise and refresh coming next year that is coming about four months from now if you can wait if you don't need to build something sure wait it'll be a couple hundred megahertz faster we'll get a board refresh there'll be some minor refinements to it it is not Zen to a lot of people think oh great this will be the coffee like killer it'll be 50% faster no it won't this is not the big shrink to seven nanometers that is coming about 18 months from now probably spring of 2019 that will be impressive when it comes except when it does Intel will have launched ice Lake which is the coffee Lake replacement of course that's 18 months from now which is an eternity in the computer business but if you can wait four months yes you'll get a little bit more for your money you'll get a nice refresh but if you need a computer today if you're ready to build or buy if your current machine is not meeting your needs and you want something faster or rise in five 1600 is a great choice today they're discounted the motherboards are discounted you'll you'll get many many years of use out of it without a problem the same thing is true of coffee lake by the way cannon Lake is coming next year it is a refresh of coffee like it's not going to be a huge deal it'll be nice but if you're ready to buy or build today an i7 8700 K is an incredibly fast CPU ice Lake is the true replacement for it and that is also probably 18 months out that's the 10 nanometer shrink that's probably we don't know this for sure gonna be eight cores 16 threads on the consumer side which is really where everything's going as many cores so if you can wait a year and a half that's fine just keep in mind that for the next two or three years we're gonna be getting some type of new CPU launch every six months if you're sitting around going oh man there's something coming in four months I'll wait great when rise and refresh comes in the spring you're just gonna be asking the question do I buy this or do I wait for Canon link we can delay comes you're just gonna be saying do I buy this or wait for Rison to and then you're gonna be saying to I'll wait for I slick by the way Tiger Lake is already the known codename for ice lakes refresh and then Zen threes being worked on for 2020 so by when you're ready if you're waiting for the next big thing you're always gonna be waiting but we are about four months away for those who are curious for the rise in refresh small bump in clock speed probably small bump and RAM support thank you so much for watching this much delayed part four of the rise in seven 1,700 computer build video series like this video if you liked it share it with your friends if you love to remember to subscribe to my channel with that big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section and as always please check out the links in the video description those are affiliate links they do support the channel I'd greatly appreciate it if you can use those when you're shopping this build as it sits will be down in the video description and an alternative less expensive build will be down there as well please take a look at that now I've done an i7 8700 K build on my channel I've done risin 5 1600 builds and I've done sky like X please take a look at my other build videos if you're interested in building one of those machines thank you so much for watching I will see you next time\n"