**The Evolution of Virtual Reality: A New Era of Immersion**

In recent years, virtual reality (VR) has undergone significant transformations, becoming an increasingly immersive and interactive experience for users. One of the key features that sets VR apart from other forms of digital entertainment is its ability to transport users into new and fantastical environments. This can be achieved through various means, including external environments that users can explore before immersing themselves in the virtual world.

**New Interior Environments**

Recently, a new feature was introduced that allows users to import their own models into the VR environment, giving them even more control over their experience. However, this raises questions about whether users should be forced to participate in such activities. The idea of allowing users to customize their virtual space is an exciting one, but it also requires careful consideration to ensure that users are not overwhelmed or deterred by the complexity of creating and managing their own environments.

**The Importance of Multi-User Interactions**

One of the key areas where VR excels is in its ability to facilitate multi-user interactions. This can be seen in games like Ready Player One, which have popularized the concept of virtual worlds where users can interact with one another in a shared environment. The introduction of new interior environments and user-generated content is also aimed at enhancing this aspect of VR, allowing users to create their own experiences and share them with others.

**The Need for Better Social Hubs**

However, despite these advances, many users have expressed frustration with the current social aspects of VR platforms. The need for better social hubs that allow users to interact and connect with one another in a seamless manner is an area that requires further attention. According to Jeremy, a team member, Oculus needs to create a more robust and user-friendly platform that fosters community building and collaboration.

**Upcoming Events and Updates**

Speaking of Oculus, the company has announced several upcoming events and updates that will shape the future of VR. One notable event is GDC, where Jeremy will be attending and reporting on all things VR. Additionally, there have been leaks about an upcoming Oculus event prior to GDC, which promises to be a significant moment in the development of VR technology.

**Personal Interests and Anniversaries**

On a personal note, Jeremy revealed that he will be celebrating his birthday next week, with the podcast team planning to release a special episode on this occasion. Fans of the show can look forward to some exciting content, including Adams' latest build with Terry English, which is now available on the site.

**Conclusion**

As VR continues to evolve and improve, it's clear that its potential for immersive entertainment and interaction is vast and exciting. By incorporating user-generated content, improving social hubs, and pushing the boundaries of what's possible in virtual environments, we can expect VR to become even more captivating and engaging. With upcoming events like GDC and new features being introduced, the future of VR looks bright indeed.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enthis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by the fine folks at MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but you know they do just about everything to help your businesses grow like ads postcards landing page ads audience management tools automations reports and more you could say MailChimp grew so much that they outgrew their name and their marketing tools can help you do the same go to mailchimp.com to sign up for free and see how MailChimp can grow your business MailChimp they do more than mail hey let's start the program for Thursday February 21st 2019 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast of tested norm is officially out on assignment so the inmates are ruling the penitentiary right now we can't say what he's doing but you'll be glad to see it I literally can't tell you what he's doing cuz I don't know what he's doing welcome in I'm Kishore I am co-hosting this week with the one and only Jeremy Williams hi Kishore we're doing a duo cast enough of this three people podcast I don't know who's ever done this before the two of us yeah yeah in the history of podcasts there's never been a duo cast like this I told you on Saturday look I have been hit by this cold like a freight train I might not make it in but here I am dayquil DUP caffeinated ready to record what is undoubtedly to be one of the greatest podcasts ever laid to the Internet I feel like you might already reported me because later that evening I started getting ill and so now I have some medicine in me yeah caffeinated up so it'll definitely be the best podcast ever I'm just back from a week away how'd you guys do without me who'd you replace me with you were gone last week yeah oh thanks will was here oh the GD you're the genius yeah oh he must not be thrilled what's going on he didn't blew himself yes last week but he was he knew all about that yeah I'm sure I'm sure he did I was at Harry Potter land and I was expecting the worst I was expecting crowds I was expecting an underwhelming butterbeer I'm here to tell you Florida or I went to in LA I went to LA it was awesome was it I dressed up as my as a ravenclaw because I am Raven quoi how do you dress up as a like is that that with the I brought formal dress robes and dressed up as a ravenclaw is that like the specific badge like is there a ravenclaw emblem yes okay there there's a house there's a whole way of being when it comes to being a ravenclaw it's just really the nerdy house so is right Oh long walk for me anyways I enjoyed it I thought butterbeers tasted great I thought the rides we're good that Hippogriff thing way too short I'm going to Florida now to go here's how to play in there well that's the older one open up the one in Anaheim it's not Anaheim and said it's Hollywood yes LA they opened that one up after our last visit which had have been within the past year it's a couple years old yeah no is it that yeah Wow our old yeah it was amazing I'm ready for Spring Break adventure there can you buy a wand when you go I bought an interactive wand the IR cameras set up that you can cast spells and like certain flicks of your wrist and it sometimes works where are these what do you do that like there's a lot of like storefront windows that have IR cameras hidden you mean they like throughout the little area well and you have they sell wands that have like an IR receiver on and you can you know flick your wand in a certain pattern and it creates like an animation inside of the historic we got to be Easter eggs we're like certain movements if you discover them you'll cast a spell other children don't know about I don't know I didn't discover them but there's like ten spells oh we cast it was a lot of fun I bought that like my wife is like why are you buying an interactive one I'm like because I'm a wizard and then I ran off with her casting spell friend I'm sure that was a huge surprise it was great this is Oscar week are you excited about Oscars at all no I am in your category to you I watched a couple Oscar movies and I'm just I don't think okay I don't know there was a moment there was a moment in time when they were gonna put a lot of technical awards during the commercial break and the technical words it was like cinematography a major awards technically yeah editing right there likes it like major parts of the filmmaking process we're gonna be relegated to the commercial breaks and then they changed course within what like 48 hours put them back on the air yeah because everyone that is coming to the Oscars are like this is a terrible decision yeah don't do this I mean I'm glad they reverse course I am too because I really have most experience with those technical aspects and I appreciate that art but I bet that the the people who run the show probably know that most movie goers just want to see the celebs that's that's fine yeah but that doesn't mean you you sacrifice the integrity of what awards for movies are about mmm-hmm and just relegate all the other awards accept Best Actor - - some other time anyways I'm glad they fixed it I watched Roma that's the only one I've seen that I really recommend and that's on Netflix so it's easy to shoot only one all the ones up for Best Picture that I've seen that I recommend like they're all fine I mean Bohemian Rhapsody was like it's okay I haven't seen it yet but I was surprised it got Best Picture because it only has like a sixty something rotten tomato I mean it's like going to a queen state like live concert what not Queen playing right I mean but it's awesome you're listening to Queen music for you know an hour and a half yeah I don't know do you think that spider-man's a shoo-in for Best Animated I hope so just so they can award it to something that is so visually and artistically stunning and out front yeah I mean I feel like that's what that award is for you know this is one of those years from like why isn't that in the Best Picture nomination because that might be the best picture I saw this year really Wow I don't I top you it that way I don't feel that was in my like top five easily yeah mm-hmm you saw the lego movie too recently I saw that this weekend hit me in the field oh did it totally good yeah I liked it too I liked it more than the first one and you can say that yeah it's because it has it has to do I think we can talk a little bit more about it now it has to do with sibling relationships and I have a cop I have a set of those yeah and so it mirrored a lot of what I've seen and what dealt with and contended with boom and you were probably longing for part of the resolution of this movie where they worked it out themselves well I yeah yeah but but that doesn't happen necessarily yeah right away and there's a there's an interesting twist at the end nope that I thought was brilliant is very authentic I would say yeah and the one mild spoiler for anyone that's stepped on a Lego brick there is one hell of a payoff for that yeah that fell flat for me really yeah I didn't think that was funny and then it they rather then the second time was a little money but are we talking about the credit scene because they echoed they ran that in the credits so let me ask you this so there's this exceptional credits so - animation sequence on Lego bricks I was like is that did he settle for you do they do that yes so I think that's real I don't think it is it's way too complicated but oh they have this rotating barrel this is a spoiler because we're talking about the credits they had a rotating barrel that had slices through it that as the barrel rotated would sort of offer up different scenes that would sort of in motion kind of come together and I was looking at it so I'm like this looks really slick animation I started looking I'm like I think this is real and they have all of the characters from the movie represented but they're built with Legos and not animated they are just dill like they would be if they were made from Legos and you see a couple side shots of from the barrel rolling and it looks like it's in a room yeah like like a stage set room if that is real it's a frame you need the sin effects breakdown of yeah whatever happened in that scene because that blew my mind one of the wonders of the world because I that is to be in a museum uh there's I just don't think there's any possible way it's a way to comment they did because it went on and on and on no I'm sure there were cuts I'm sure it's not like one continuous shot Raika like in gravity or something but I am Shh I think it was real I like it see even if it's not real I love that it fooled you because the entire first movie fooled me I went down on record like after the movie was over I leaned over to my son and I said you know that was entirely stop motion this film has been 40 years in the making ten people died on set excited to reproduce these effects I think about that to this day and how anyone who overheard me probably laughter themselves and so what an idiot well at least they they let you have that moment I think it's time to dive into our top story because we had some breaking news okay top story this week the coast of norm so just over an hour ago Samsung announced its whole new fleet of phones that's right I'm using word fleet now to describe this and so we're gonna have some initial reactions to it I have no reaction you're gonna have a reaction to it let's talk about the basic phones first well I just want to acknowledge first of all we're reacting to early information so if we miss bits and pieces we'll get to it next week it's just more that this is like an hour after it's actually whoa it's actually happened why is that happening I don't know my canned coffee just blew up on my lap it's almost like you shook it up beforehand or something ah this is unfortunate well well Jeremy is doing that let's give the high-level stuff they announced a number of phones in the S 10 series well they asked two of them three of them three was the S 10 e starting at 749 the S 10 starting at 899 and the S 10 plus starting at $9.99 oh there we go and then they announced the galaxy fold which has been rumored for a number but this is totally different look no no no they had put in rumors of this galaxy fold coming up I know I know but it's not it's not the same category of phone no no it's not in the same category I'm just like getting out all this stuff they focused yes and then we'll come back to the phones and and that's really more of a tablet Beneful phone so that's why we should Allegiant Oh interesting okay we're gonna have an argument about this by the way when I saw galaxy fold trending on Twitter I really thought we had made a real astronomical breakthrough completely forgotten balls are real someone get Neil Tyson on the phone now all right let's talk about the phones okay so the s tens are always as an Android lover I'm not a big Samsung guy because my experience with them historically has been the bloatware on them but they've always come out as like the most overpowered sets of phones year-over-year they're more power than then the Google phones when they quickly come out what do you mean overpowered like I mean they have the fastest processor the newest processor they usually have the most memory inside of them they have the highest red screen they have like all the bells and whistles are usually just an samsung phone for the most part there's I mean we can quibble about a lot of things well this phone comes out and punches you in the face typically okay and and there's no change here this is the specs on this phone or on these phones are ridiculous so this isn't just a spec bump though it's a whole new architecture redesigned physical form factor mm-hmm the screen sizes are up the s10 is up 0.3 inches over last year's so that means it's now over a six inch phone it is a 6.1 inch phone and that it's also because the the bezels are way down like they're just almost non-existent and it looks like they still haven't gone with the notch that they found a way to put the camera behind the display but by you have to cut out pixels for it okay and so there's a there's a hole in the screen where the camera exists and I don't know Tim I like that idea it means that it's as small as it needs to be hey I'm fine with the idea but it means that's those pixels that do light up around that space are essentially gonna be dead space yeah they're gonna light up and just have like background color in that space right like that's really usable area on your phone yeah I guess what I have not yet seen the display in action so it remains to be seen what that what the consequences are for that but at least you you minimize the intrusion of that of that you know hardware and your screen might display do you mean the Infinity oh that's what they call dynamic AMOLED screen oh really it's a 30 40 by 1440 AMOLED display so it is as massive the weird part that I don't get I guess I don't I don't understand this in my real life is there talking about how it it sends out a lot less blue light so your eyes will get much less tired from the screen right like I you the iPhone does the thing where you can turn on night shift yeah Google's phones do the same thing I guess I mean I look at screens all day and I don't get that effect I don't get that sort of drying out from the blue light but everyone seems to accept you can buy glasses that are yellow tinted that filter it out you mean blue blockers sure from that if reversal the eighties is that a thing blue rubber the blue blockers infomercial oh I remember freedom rocket people tweet at Jeremy with blue blockers commercials on YouTube may 80s it might have been mid early 90s but like in that region ok there's a whole rap song about the to tweet that to me would be great right up there with not a good rep so I'll copy that floppy oh wow you know that one no all right tweet that one to cut short we wrote so I mean display is it's a ridiculous resolution it has it's a big ass display i don't get the i still i don't get the blue light thing but i think that probably has some benefit to people that are gonna be using the phone constantly i think the blue light thing is a bigger deal on your laptop and on your on your desktop screen frankly the phone more than any other screen when you're looking at it shorter different yeah short term you're putting it up and down yeah uh cameras should we talk about cameras how many cameras does it have well as many as a good fit they have a six i think yeah i think which is exactly six it's a ton of cameras where's the thing so on the s10 there's a dual aperture 12 megapixel camera really interested in seeing that actually an action with the dual aperture one is telephoto lens i guess it's a telephoto camera because you can't say it lens here and then ones a wide camera it's i think it's 16 megapixel oh you've got 100 800 degree view hundred twenty degree view it's the full the one that has the six cameras yeah this only has two cameras like a normal phone three three yeah three cameras for the s 10 in the s 10 plus yeah it has the 12th dual aperture camera oh you're counting that is to that dual no it's a dual aperture know it has a 12 megapixel do laughter camera a 12 megapixel telephoto camera and an ultra-wide 16 megapixel 123 degree camera got it got it got it yeah I need to see the camera in action and then it has front-facing in addition to those so that's a that's quite a lot of lenses does it matter to you I'm like going beyond the actual photos for a second that this can record in HDR ten I you know what though I think some people do care about that if you're like a mobile like video maker when you're shooting movies on your phone even if you're just an enthusiast like a serious thin thews just level video guy I think probably there's a side of norm that likes to push the envelope with with the video and I think that he would probably be curious to test that out it does not I do ever since I phone has shot in HD I've been happy yeah that's all it takes I mean the extra features in video like the time-lapse the slow-mo all that kind of stuff are actually more important to me in video and then the storage associated just because of of shooting in in HD and 4k all these cameras will let you do this kind of adjustable focus so you can believe okay yeah more unless the do a super steady camera feature which will that's kind of its kind of in digital stabilization what it is yes that was it claims that it's on par with most action cameras what does that mean you know GoPro no so yeah I don't know I mean it's a high-tech camera as you said I mean specs we need to see it in action are you gonna get one no why not I did just break my pixel to so I'm in the market for a new phone I just I want to see it tested in the real world because I've been blown away by some of the Google software features on the phone like nitesite you love really just is incredible tell people when that is and that's where you allow it's a software feature allows like low-light and images to - it's a cigar went along the Carter yeah right yeah so I've been really blown away and that should be available on this phone just like all of the other flagship Google phones but I want to see what it looks like yeah in reality and so we got in like that sort of hands-on testing that'll come out in the next couple weeks Snapdragon 855 inside baseline six ran six gigs of RAM but now up to twelve on this thing which is I think a new high-water mark for for phones there's a lot of red is a lot of RAM like yeah I remember when my PC had four you know for what case 64 kilobyte yeah the I wonder if is that diminishing returns like I understand six to eight I don't use anything like I know people actually use like like Photoshop and Lightroom on their phone and like part of it is this resolution like when you keep cranking up the res it's like that is a lot of bytes to store and RAM and I mean it's just a matter of if it's gonna be doing any kind of multitasking that's a lot of stuff alright D last week did you guys talk about the 5g nonsense that's going out like we AT&T is doing my point five gia I'm aware of it yeah yeah yeah I'm pretty sure we did I sometimes like it confused what was before what was after we hit the record button but yes we certainly did talk about it because Samsung didn't announce there's a 5g version of this phone like like an actual 5g version of this phone oh wow that's coming out and according to them like the specs aren't terribly different inside we like we think it the phone will have to be physically bigger with a 5g chip inside why well just because that I think the 5g hardware is a little bigger really yeah but I mean like physically bigger I mean not actually that much bigger and like but it's like they said the 5g model looks essentially the same okay to the non 5g model I you know what if IG comes out and no one can tell the difference like that's gonna be so sad if that were the case cuz it's got so much promise behind it I have not been excited about a new cell phone technology since like 3G there's no so I I will that would sell me an iPhone because I'll probably stick a tip than the iPhone for all the sad reasons I have to stick in the iPhone you know they got to they got me and my whole family but when like that would be a killer feature if it comes out and it actually does gigabit like no problem I know they they did say the the 5g phone is six point is the six point seven inch size yeah that's too big like that that's starting to get to the size where it won't fit in my front pocket that says where am I putting this phone I don't know I don't know why there people are chasing that big screen hmm what do you think in the price the price of these phones yeah it's exactly what I thought it would be yeah kept under a thousand which I actually was a little surprised about because I high-end one like even the high-end ones is a thousand like they go down from there and obviously it's all expensive it's $800 and up but you know given the cost of the iPhone 10 I think that that's done a lot to raise people's expectations for how expensive a phone can be well if you're interested in a thousand-dollar phone can I interest you in a $2,000 phone no I will not go a penny above $1,900 okay well I can I think I might be able to get you into something at that at that price it's really two screens and want Jeremy Wow tell me about it well they the Galaxy fold this is something that's been ruined about for how long I don't know like a years I mean like I think people at least I I did I confuse it with what we seen with that royale flex pay phone that we've seen out at CES a bunch of times okay this is two OLED displays instead of one that curves around and that they're each like 1960 by 840 and then literally unfolds and snaps together and the images they showed from the stage it looked like wouldn't snap together into sort of a tablet formation you could not see the seam I between the two I think you might be mistaken and one of us is then we should be forgiven because this is right off the darkest but I think that that screen the 1960 by 840 is the front-facing phone screen yes that's a phone screen but then inside is an entirely so I said the wrong numbers isolated screen which is the foldable screen yeah which is actually 21:52 by 15:36 I was wrong and used to it and so that like it is a foldable phone but you don't like unfold a screen and get bigger there's just two screens yeah there's two screens and so I meant by unfolding yeah yeah but so the in the interior screen you don't see any of while it's collapsed oh that's why there but there still dislike seem when you flip like unfolded well supposedly not because it is a single screen and this hinge is supposed to be very well designed so there's no actual seam between the two halves of your folded screen I guess I don't understand that like I saw it sort of like unfurl itself and I guess I don't understand this interlocking gear mechanism they're talking about it inside I haven't seen the video of it at all I just have read about it and seen a few photos it's but it's a foldable phone humungous it's got all the top specs it has a you know the six cameras that I mentioned earlier I believe has the the same amount of RAM as the Thai end camera are they high on s 10 the 12 megabytes but this foldable screen is is intriguing I mean it's the kind of thing when you see a friend who has one if you have a friend who has $2,000 just been on the phone you will want to see this thing in action alright so like here's the basics of it you have like a four point six inch phone face yeah that's like double thick it is very reminiscent of like yeah it's a phone from about like 10 years very uncomfortably thick I wouldn't get it yeah and then you unfold it and like as you unfold it and this is where I still don't get what how you don't see the seam uh-huh you unfold it like look and and somehow you don't see this seam in the middle right I get it's a single screen yeah is whatever this 7.3 inch size so you're basically paying for a phone that's four point six inches that's double thick and a tablet that's a 7 inch tablet well if you want but it yeah they're all it's one device and so like one of the demos that they gave is that you can pull up Google Maps on the small screen open it up and it's the same location already reflected on the big screen like that's that's it that's cool I guess like I suppose that's exactly what you would expect but there's not a whole lot of infrastructure built into Android yet to take advantage of that of two screens like that and so they're just beginning to roll these ideas out and I I'm not sure there's gonna be so much there that it will be as enticing as it should be I guess there's the one complaint I have and like you should dig me on this one that plate yeah this is one is gotta be the price right no I mean like forgiving all of this is like a first to market it's gonna be unreasonably expensive right all of that stuff it's that like when you have the tablet open it looks like a normal tablet for the most part right fine fine but when it's folded in half and you're working on your double thick phone Finance double ticket that's like the laws of physics have to reign somewhere but you don't get like the full you don't have like a full width full-length screen there yeah it's basically only you have this massive bezel essentially are you telling me that the foldable phone is not a great phone or a great tablet it might be yeah I'm starting to come around to that that that's the problem it might be the case you could probably buy a tablet and a phone for less than 1980 dollars and like tape it them together yeah they're the duct tape is for free I I'm really I mean a we're being snarky but I'm actually really curious to get my hands on this because I didn't imagine a scenario where this would be useful I'm not one of those people that that gets out of stylus and writes on my phone but I know a lot of people that do use like the Galaxy Note in that way yeah this could be an interesting gambit for people who use their phone like that as a is essentially their only device 7 nanometre processor 12 gigabytes of RAM 512 gigs of storage that's already good well that's what it should be I mean if it's a tablet wouldn't you want something in that range yeah I just don't know what to expect anymore yeah you and me both you me bro I love for if norm got this into test I'd be so curious about it but I like I have a hard time getting over like what the phone looks like I just want to see a foldable screen like I've never seen one I've never gone to CES and had my laid my eyes on this kind of technology I think once you see it you'll set you'll your mind might turn to ideas where it could be applied in useful interesting ways I mean I have dumb questions maybe like you know probably Patrick Norton is like yelling at us as I say this like I know Oh LEDs as this has this organic you know layer beneath it yeah I'm wondering if like the physical manipulation of the screen at this point at this at the seam whatever we're calling it you haven't that degrade that organic layer over time just from the repeated mechanical stresses on it all I know is that the LEDs from the beginning have had a foldable capability and so yeah because the organic layer is bendable yeah so I'm sure that there's a limit within which you can bend it safely and France probably some of the magic of that would you but that's what I'm saying is like is it I get that that's the spec for it yeah but is it also like a chair that you can only sit in it so many times before it like just wears out like is there isn't it can be within spec to like fold it right but it doesn't wear out after 2,000 folds or something like that I would hate for a technology company to embed obsolescence into their product I can't imagine that anyone would know but like I wonder if they've actually done that kind of test yeah like if they need a robot that's open didn't closed it like like in IKEA where they have like the robot that like sits in the chair over and over again I think we've killed this we moved on let's go what do you we're skipping pop culture this week aren't we yeah because norm is not here to lead the charge on that one we're going yeah right I can explain you enough to technology I'm glad we got all that out about phone because it's time to talk about a phone the LGG eight weeks are out Ars Technica has some of the initial photo previews of it it's due it's expected to debut at Mobile World Congress like which is just in a week or so this phone look kind of looks like an iPhone 10 and has the notch it's a beautiful big screen fingerprint sensor on the back dual camera on the back everything that we expect OLED display like you would expect from LG I can't wait to see the actual specs this phone looks really gorgeous to me huh I know nothing about it I'm sure it looks very nice yep that's that's about it I mean we don't have pricing or anything else but you know you can take a look at the the preview photos I think it looks great oh by the way we did mention on the S tens that they have a new fingerprint scanner oh yes it's built into the display yeah which is me we saw a little bit of that we saw a phone at CES that had that which I thought was awesome I I'm super curious how well that works especially you know all the fingerprint sensors they exist now break down with like a wet finger or anything else like that yeah and since this is using much more optical information from what I understand maybe I don't know okay it'd be interesting how it works I have more to say about the g8 except it's coming our friends at Facebook almost completed a purchase see underneath her nose but not any time recently this is an interesting this is I was thinking about maybe we should just put this in the VR minute because it is tied to that there's a book that came out yesterday this week by Blake Harris called the history of the future which he's the he's the author of console wars which is a excellent book came out five years ago that I listened to on a audiobook and it's now being turned into a miniseries he's a he's a good author and this new book is about the history of oculus Oh from like the early Palmer days through the acquisitions as far as I can tell and I have the book on order it should be arriving tomorrow I can't wait to read it it is largely about oculus during Palmer and and up until the point where he leaves or was ousted and it's so interestingly like it doesn't sound like it's so much about the current day quest and such looking forward looking it was it's an interesting story behind the making of the book because he was given a ton of access to oculus like unfettered access to the company even after the Facebook acquisition when he would come into the campus and talk to all the executives carte-blanche ask any questions he wanted had access to a lot of emails that were not made public although you know beyond oh wow and one of the emails that he was given access to open anyway the the end of that story was he was then cut off and all his access was curtailed and the book does not take a positive and exclusively positive slant on the company and so it how could it I mean with it was rife with yes with with drama Carmack's come out recently saying probably much to the chagrin of Facebook PR what he's read of the book this was before it was released is all factually correct and so you know he's given him a lot of credibility the story that you mentioned is was mentioned in an email cut years ago I want to say like 2015 which was released by TechCrunch sent to them by the author of the book and release in its entirety on TechCrunch yeah it's from June 22nd 2015 and it's a long email from Mark Zuckerberg to executives at oculus and elsewhere in the in face book about his vision for VR and why they want to be in that space so this is right after the acquisition and just on page three or four of this of this email he just on a side mentions that they're considering buying unity this is clearly something they had they had been discussing inside the company right do you think the unity thing well apparently that was like this is way deep into the discussion like that they have discussed this for a long time and he just starts to reflect on why that would be such a good idea they so the apparently Facebook seriously considered buying perhaps even made an offer to unity which of course never came to pass and unity is is doing quite well and they're probably happy being independent still but I mean there's so pre-ipo I think they're gonna try next year that's what I've read too yeah you know mostly multi-billion dollar IPO and it's just interesting that Facebook was considering buying that company after buying oculus like they were look they were considering going on this acquisition spree of becoming a just like the VR machine that I mean I guess it would agree it would have pushed people more to their platforms I could imagine did you read that the email because that's exactly it like they wanted to embed Facebook services into unity and and make them the easiest to use and you know the lowest barrier to entry for any developer and even like to the extent of like he implied that they could choose how much to support you know the other guys and even that you know with unity being amused to design games for iOS and other platforms they said they would never overtly like refused to support them but they could choose how much they wanted to what a gigantic shift that would have been I mean yeah we probably wouldn't see much from a user at this point because if you look at like whatsapp and Instagram are we feeling much of that acquisition in those spaces yet a little bit right you know I'd be curious though yeah because the other part of this of this email this is much more than the VR side was about oculus and it was like why do we want to be in this space and what and they wanted to accelerate the adoption of VR not just to the vague - that they could get to the point where VR was a sustainable business but because they want to get past the mobile generation they see and as many people do VR as the you know the next great computing platform after mobile and the fastest way to get there is to accelerate VR adoption and so they because they see Google and Apple as being the forerunners in that space they cannot compete with them and they want to own the hardware at this time the platform itself which and all the services so they that's how they saw oculus and unity combined as the way to get there and it's it's just a fascinating email from four years ago I would love to see a leaked email from today and see their thoughts on it now but I highly recommend it seems like an interesting book to read well this is just an email yeah I mean this is just an excerpt yet build excitement for the book right that's why I released it so I'm sure there's gonna be details about Palmer split and all that kind of stuff - I always are a lot about that in the book the we'll talk more about this in the very minute how about that yeah that sounds good I am a fan of not tying my shoes and by that I mean I love any other system of elastics or ratchets anything that I don't have to tie my shoes I mean velcro right it's been around since we were kids yeah my kid still uses them yep and earlier this year when we talked about a story about Nike releasing a self-lacing self-tightening really set of shoes for $350 that would connect to your app and just give you the right tightness based off of where you were going like no dick no now making up stuff look at the Goldilocks tightening yeah it would just it would be perfect yeah well this week we got a story out of the verge that's actually just sourced in the in the Google Play Store that Android users are having problems pairing one of their shoes I can't remember if it's the left or right you with the app and so they cannot tighten their shoe but they can tighten the other one oh that's too bad I mean it is like symbolic of our of the world we live in I can't lace my shoes now because my at my the Internet of Things it's funny but it's not funny oh it's because this is gonna be me soon cuz I hide it like when norm first mentioned that story months ago I was like 350 bollocks isn't that much I mean we are talking some Nike yes dude yeah I mean no bad you you're the sports fan I mean could you see ESPN like people on their sand these shoes are great because when I'm up at the plate or I guess what do you put in you're playing basketball so like when I'm on the what is it a basketball court when I'm on the court I can adjust I can hit the button and I get the court tightness and when I go for my free throw because someone fouled me I can loosen it up a bit like do you see that actually being useful to people no huh like who needs that level of adjustment in their life I need to relax now shoelace is untied in just a little bit yeah give me a four on those right now that's silly I'm going on a run give me a 10 I think they would understand that like I understand like meeting a really tight sort of customized fit yeah for athletes you know during their performance but not adjusting them on the fly because that's part of the pitch yeah is it I can do that I don't know they need the self drying jacket then you can go full Marty McFly we're getting there no again there we have to check on the juicer smart juicer market see where that where that's going not juicer what was it mr. fusion mr. fusion you know we got to check in and see you sir what was that thing it was a it was a Cuisinart Cuisinart there is some amazing toys that came out like Kenner came out with some old-school sets a Super seven has a bunch of cool pema and stuff like I'm in the movie stuff really beautiful action figures right um the one thing that caught my eye is something that I can't imagine tested not covering at some point because it it embodies Lego and augmented reality which is your mouth watering right it just seems like it's like what how many times you see two of tested you know core core competencies like them together you have to unpack it a little bit they are to do what like so you build a kit yes yes you build the kit Apple already demoed this on on stage like when they were talking about AR kit and what an amazing future we had in front of us they brought Lego on stage and they brought they put their phones in front of a Lego set and you saw the figures and the whole scene come to life so then it turned into like a game or something like that right yes exactly so but so that's what this is it's an AR kid enabled app that you load up on your phone and if you buy one of was there you got eight kits and you build the kit you put the phone in front of the kit apparently some of the some things will come to life now all of the kits are haunted themed yeah actually you can't I don't know if you can tell that like the the sets are called a hidden side and the sort of like ghosts that pop out of these yes so the different sets are high school train bus diner truck graveyard boat in labna graveyard obviously yeah it's gonna have some pointed aspects yes all of these are haunted to some degree and that school bus is actually the third most expensive one high school at 1400 pieces 1474 pieces is a hundred and thirty bucks so it seems like on par with standard LEGO pricing but you've got on top of that this cool app feature and interestingly for an AR perspective it works as you would hope you don't need to put down a QR code you don't need to have any kind of I'm just fiducial marker you build the sets and then you point the phone at certain aspects of it and apparently they will come to life and there's this game you play where ghosts here and you have to find all the ghosts obviously they should have gone with a Ghostbusters theme but maybe they'd be too expensive oh no but it the graphics look good seems like the technologies come up a bit since we've last seen they aren't with toys and the fact that you can just build the sets as normal and then you get this cap on top of it seems like it's a better synergy it's not like one needs the other necessarily but they do work well together it all depends on what that experience in AR is like to justify it but it's like even if it's bad you still get the set and you still build it as normal and they're good looking sets it's all you know regular Lego stuff and the the haunted aspects to that like the graveyard it's a neat looking set but you're right like I what I'm curious about is how well does the AR integrate into the reality and apparently like you do have to move around the actual Lego pieces so it's cool it's not like it all takes place on the screen and I think that's crucial to make it this thing actually makes sense and feel good is for the AR to involve real stuff that you physically move around see what I want and this is this is totally science fiction is the AR Lego app that you can set out a bunch of pieces and it like looks at them and gives you suggestions on what to build with oh my god that's amazing right because that's what's in the lego movie is like you see the part numbers and I'm up like A Beautiful Mind yeah highlight I love this idea and then they could actually like arrange themselves and like give you suggestions that's a great idea - sure that's where imagination comes from an app guiding you towards it that is the future why not do it make it so Lego let's take a break to get a message from our friend norm oh absolutely I would love to do that let's see what we got a turn his mic up a little bit this week's episode of this is only a test is also made possible by molecule we've all heard of HEPA filters we use them on our workshops even our homes but that's pretty old technology thankfully molecules introduce a breakthrough science that is finally capable of destroying air pollutants at a molecular level molecules technology goes beyond HEPA filtration it captures and completely destroys the full spectrum of indoor air pollutant including those 1,000 times smaller than what a HEPA filter can catch in fact in a study of 49 allergy sufferers presented at the American College of asthma allergy and immunology molecule technology provided dramatic statistically significant symptom reduction within a week of use one customer even said she was able to breathe through her nose for the first time in 15 years Macchio technology has been personally 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the blood of younger mice into older mice and seeing what the effects on Aging good Scott yeah yeah this sounds really morbid but it's actually pretty cool to seeing what the effects of like blood itself has on aging properties uh-huh because we we talk about aging as just me looking like this you're over here and just looking worse yeah but aging is this complex sets of properties that are happening at the cellular level as well vampires know all about this yeah absolutely so this is definitely a McCobb kind of study but it actually pointed to some benefits of this kind of transfusion and so science the science has been exploring this kind of area for a while but also ancillary early a lot of pseudoscience bs has popped up in this in this area in concept I think mostly fueled by sports a lot of athletes have gone and gotten young blood transfusions in certain like areas like around their their patella and all these kinds of things as a way to reverse certain ailments and conditions the FDA this week had to come out an issue a warning stop doing this stop buying young blood from people on the market because there's so many companies just literally selling blood and it's very um manipulative like how much is like buying a blood cost uh it can be up to eight thousand dollars a liter dude what don't we shouldn't put this out there people will sell their blood no it's not good I mean like they're literally companies selling blood a young blood as a way to reverse Alzheimer's oh it's awful Wow and so I just wanted to tell you that because like the FDA issued this sort of like warning about this I think there's gonna be some crackdowns but it also points to like there's this underlying research about what the heck is going on but the research is very all over the place they're trying to understand sort of fundamental conditions of Aging oh wait there's a fascinating set of of how these two areas like are interlinked like the scientific research has bled into the pseudoscience world as it bled yeah I'd really was trying to get their whole time it took me a while what about the mice experiment so the mice experiment pointed to all sorts of interesting conditions that we saw slowing down in certain aging processes but it was very early work and like that work is progressed over the last decade and I'm not up to date on like the latest paper in it okay but essentially it's very incremental small like we're trying to understand why it isn't like transfusions of blood make a difference there being like if we transfuse this blood what do we see change in the process yes happening and they're interested in the change in processes not necessarily what the transfusion of blood is all about right that was a yet there diagrams of that experiment that I do not recommend leaving when I hear the word Youngblood I think of Bruce Willis because my very first CD that I ever owned was like the return of Bruno I want to say that's the name of the album he during his moonlighting yeah he released a CD where he's a blues artist and it's this fake return of an artist he was his first album but on there I think there's a song called Youngblood and he sings it this is the first CD you owned yes it's not a good first CD just prior to start your peppers and Lonely Hearts Club Band so I mean second CD slight increase in quality see ina Dark Side of the Moon was my first CD Wow which is amazing and then I got a BMG membership and then it also found out all downhill alright two more stories why do zebras have stripes that sounds like a children's book story no no it's it's it let me guess it's because when they run in packs they're predators can't discern one from the other yeah so David Attenborough taught me that years ago and it's true that is actually true that we see the them in that pack mentality creates confusion amongst amongst their predators yeah well researchers wanted to study what it looks like if we gave other horses zebra stripes so they created basically the first-ever horse cosplay that I'm aware of where they knitted like a zebra outfit and put them on these horses yeah because they wanted to study if it has more impacts than just on predators and what they studied is horse flies and how they actually try to horse flies actually are named that because they surround horses and they try to bite them yep and they looked at how many flies were able to bite horses once they put on their zebra cosplay but what the horse flies bite them when they're standing still the whole point of the zebra stripes is when they're moving so what they found is the flies aren't able to process the the contrast in the colors and were a visibly confused as to the location of the animal on the island because they see in grayscale this is not good science by the way this is the top story in The New York Times science section terrible sights but it's a story about horse flies being confused not about what no no it's not about why zebras have stripes I just titled that because I think that's a fun way to title the story did you see the video clip of somebody wearing a horse mask and a horse thinking it was another horse and they takes the horse mask off and the horse just freaks out so what the hell if I wasn't freaked out to just walks the other way with his head and saying no no sorry this is a real yes it's a real thing is also the dayquil talking so okay guys well here we go third dayquil story coming up have you ever microwaved a grape marshmallow yes grape no you are missing out what happens so if you have a grape but leave a little like skin connected between the two halves and put it in the microwave you are essentially going create a plasma arc it will arc from one grape to the other do I need to cut the grape open it's better if you cut the grape open and leave a little skin connected that's when you get like the best Arco typically but you can also just put two grapes like next to each other typically and have that effect we need a little like separation why does this happen so for the longest time people thought it was the electrolytes in the grape we're absorbing the microwaves and bouncing back and forth and generating enough energy to essentially create a plasma that plasma will then arc into another area it's like you're almost creating a circuit inside of your microwave cool it's a really cool effect it's spectacular to look at and as long as you're smart about it you won't destroy your microwave researchers have been studying this effect and wondering if that explanation is true and what they found is not true in the way we thought it's the microwave beam is not getting stuck inside the grape and bouncing around within the electrolytes it's actually getting stuck in the space between the two grape halves well that would mean you have to have the grape in the right spot it is so there are hot spots yeah in the microwave where this wouldn't happen and so it's sort of bouncing back and forth between the grapes and then it would generate the arc between the two that's good science yeah it was pretty good there's a video I'll put it in the in the show notes for people and then you can you can watch it it's pretty great it's pretty grape oh I'm on a roll here do you recommend eating a microwave grape no I wouldn't think it awful Rosie the VR minute virtual reality this week you can't get away from him he's everywhere so we mentioned the book the history of the shooter by play keris the first book in the VR book club projections book club oh yeah I mean I imagine it's gonna be read by a lot of people who follow this stuff I'm excited to read it I I checked out the audiobook and I was not a fan of the of the cadence so I'm went I went dead tree do you worry that I mean there's a lot of books that focus on you know conflict in businesses and you know even though like the the great well-reviewed biographies of Steve Jobs Steve Jobs tends to highlight the the moments of drama because that's what sells books yeah do you think this is gonna exaggerate the situation at all are you worried about that you know I don't mind that I mean it it's the first book console wars was loaded with dramatizations because it's based on ancient history like it was based on the Sega Versa Nintendo Wars so he had to reenact you know it's quote-unquote reenact a lot of this stuff I don't think this book is filled with that much reenactments but it's and I from what I understand as I'm about to say he did an AMA on reddit and what he I think at one point said in there is that that's a different style in this book and that it's much more based on just relaying facts and because it's all happening right now in real time it was a different style than his last book so I you're right he may be he will amp up some of the some of that and but you know what that's good storytelling as long as it remains factually correct I'm happy some interesting tidbits that he relayed in the AMA about Facebook about oculus somebody asked him does what were sucks expectations for VR and have we met them right like almost five years later and interestingly when oculus or when Facebook was courting oculus Zuka said to then Brendan Uribe the CEO if we quote if we don't work together then it won't make sense for us to build for your platform for at least five years until it reaches 50 to 100 million units right so this is sort of like the an interesting number if you don't but if we don't work something out we're not gonna work on your platform but more importantly if this says what his expectations are for where we are now we are not at 50 to 100 million units friend we are a small percentage of that what number do you think we're at or we at I would two to four million units Mamie sure yeah I would say like VR like yeah maybe I don't know I really don't know I know that gear VR and go for the cost they are what they've far outsold the rift psvr is done rather well but for the their flagship headset they are nowhere near that and I imagine that the quest will help to start turn things around because we'll be able to combine the best of both worlds of six degrees of freedom with a mobile always from in VR ready to go headset user-friendly you know it remains to be seen what kind of power the quest really has and is it going to satisfy developers but I think my hunch is that they will scale things down it won't have the detrimental impact people are concerned about and we will have him a good experience I my fingers are crossed I hope quest is the turning point for VR going mass-market I also don't trust that number that you threw at the 50 100 million yeah it was a number that you said was sighted while courting yes no absolutely right so like what is the likelihood that that is a hyperbolic number I I actually think that he thought that was possible because I think five years seems like a lot to people dealing with technology and it's always the thing that you don't expect like it's it's always the adoption of some technology that is super fast and the other thing takes a long time so it's it's hard to tell sometimes it's gonna be the success and I imagine that he was hoping and Beth you know ideal scenario as amazing as virtual reality was I mean at this point he had tried like the valve room you know the that the famous room that they built using the the symbols along the around the walls and you know walking out on a plank out into the middle of a room textured with webpages that made you feel a sense of vertigo like having sent having seen that having been one of the few people in the world that had tried modern VR I could imagine saying yeah if we make this into a consumer product we will sell 50 million within five years that didn't that doesn't seem crazy to me mm-hmm so yeah I don't know I thought that was an interesting tidbit to see what his expectations were compared to where they ended up also what let's catch up on John is there anything else I wanted to mention one more quote from this AMA this one's a little on the downside somebody asked him how much does the oculus of 2009 resemble the oculus of 2014 along the same lines yeah and the author responded with a quote from somebody who works at oculus saying I won't presume to give you that answer but I will give you a quote from an early oculus employee quote finished I feel an immense sense of loss it feels like nothing in there exists anymore it really is history hey so I back to the that's a devastating quote back to the notion that this book is not 100% positive on Facebook / oculus and why his access was cut it will be interesting to read I'm excited to it it's also like I'm not surprised by that quote given everything we've seen all right so let's do a lightning round of VR slot there is a lot so that's why we got to run through it well I mean you know know we had time okay so norm and I had tried the Vario headset oh you've tried this they got the release not this one but we try to prototype so there's a high res headset yeah yeah so we this is a company out of Finland and they've designed as a company the company is called Vario var Jo and they have done finally announced their headset they're calling it the VR - one and do you have any idea how much a professional high-end VR headset should cost I mean just extrapolating from what we know I would say 2500 no this is a six thousand dollar virtual reality headset holy crap yes with no audio capabilities no built-in headphones well obviously in like we we don't look at that number through the lens of like a consumer product this is a hey so let me tell you why they are charging that amount yeah oh by the way you also need to paid a nine hundred ninety five dollars per year license for software and warranty okay if they're mandatory sure so this is not for consumers but I know a lot of people are like well what do I care but you should care because this Hardware inside this is the future this kind of thing comes down and price eventually works its way into the consumer marketplace this headset is very unique right it has a basically a vive pro resolution field of view display that is just like the background and that's what you that's just always there you look around this it's what basically fills your periphery but then in the center they have used an optical combiner to put a high resolution display in the center rectangular with with soft edges that blend into the other screen and that high resolution display gosh what is the resolution of it it is twenty times the resolution of the vive Pro headset three thousand pixels per inch and it is like retina quality it is it is what they're saying it is human eye resolution like such that you can't discern so is it sit in your center of field of view it is always Center it's almost like a fixed fovea dren during right like the economic now if the oculus go it's always going to be best in the center so if you want to focus on something you turn your head and you look at it and the thing that you're that you're looking towards is ultra-high-resolution this is actually kind of like what it feels like to wear glasses in some way right like you look at the eds it's like slightly less yet resolution right in the center it looks sharp yeah but it'd be this is a little bit different than that but yeah I get there because it's it's actually the much less of your field of youth in the glasses than glasses are so it would be like wearing very small guy yes very small glasses with like transfer translucent rims but I got to tell you like norm and I both tried this headset I wish he was here so he could weigh in on this but it is one of the most memorable VR experiences I've ever had like wearing new hardware because it was the highest resolution and it was beyond what I expected what we were capable of making it yet did they build demo softer or were you doing something that exists oh they built their own demo software so what was what was happening in the screen was stuff like coming from your periphery out into the middle well like what was that exploited one of the most amazing things with a photogrammetry that they had scans so they scan to shop with SLR cameras and they it was just one of the best photogrammetry the things I didn't even think it was volumetric at first because it was so sharp and well done like that usually with photogrammetry geometry is very bulbous and incorrect and this was really good and so I looked around and eventually I just leaned and I said oh I didn't realize this was volumetric and so I could really lean into things and check things out and I liked the amount of like you're looking at instrumentation and detail that you would see in the real world with that center area of the lens and it really is just like perfect like it's what you want from its it's the dream it's like what you want from from VR I'm sorry I surprised by this because I've heard you talk about like yeah we want to be able to read text yeah yeah we get that right but I can't remember we did this on the podcaster over lunch like we were talking about like the different things that we could have in VR whether that's you know higher resolution like we're talking about here or eye tracking for a better kind of social experience and I you weren't the one that said higher resolution was where it that no no I I guess what I meant was it's not more my priorities are because what you really want is the entire screen to be high-res not a subset of it like not an optically combined screen in the center you really want the whole screen and then you want fovea and rendering to resolve the pixels mature-looking but we are like so if this cost $6,000 weird like it were so far away from having a full resolution screen everywhere that is not even on my radar like I think there's much shorter term games to be made with eye tracking that's that would interest me did this sort of set up this optical combining did you like catch it or was it like seamless enough that you didn't notice it no you can totally tell that that said they said they were going to improve it we saw a demo year and a half ago so the animal the size of that center screen is larger now than the one that we saw so I would love I can't wait to see this like hopefully we'll be able to do that at some point this year and report back on it I was very impressed when I saw it I'm glad to see they finally kind of market I am shocked by the price but these are people designed automobiles I mean this is not something that is written is for consumers and I think it's gonna be perfect for people like working in the military who want to do simulators where you need to see instrumentation it really is for applications that aren't even on my radar I look at this and this is the mean they can call it whatever they want this is essentially a developer kit sure yeah it uses steamvr to tracking so that's you know pretty to go in if you have a chance I'd watched their promo video because it's extremely well done that the fins have a knack for combining art and technology and I think that video speaks to it so that's that's cool they finally came to market or are coming to market this year if you have a oculus rift see v1 and it has lost audio in one of the speakers Palmer Luckey has a fix for you and if you've gone through the rigmarole of contacting support support saying you are out of warranty sorry can't help you you can forward that correspondence to Palmer and he will send you for free eight kit to fix you were rift why is he doing this well I mean I mean it's rhetorical but like he feels some responsibility for yeah a headset like especially that headset that said he has no responsibility for that for supporting you the company that's the company and he obviously has taken upon himself to earn some goodwill and be a good guy and he is helping you out he's Helen any what's in this for a hair kid apparently it's a technic like a from an engineering standpoint it's rather simple you need to connect the grounds between the two speakers and that solves the problem apparently like there's just a trace or something that or a conductor that doesn't last over time and so he found a way to fix it and that he thinks anybody can do and he's sending it out for free now obviously you can't just email him to get one you have to go through this process send the correspondence but I think it's great I think he's he's helping people out if there's anyone out there who has a rift without sound and there certainly are people because he asked a ton of people on Twitter and reddit to send him the broken ones so he could test fix it we can test the fixes by the way he reimbursed everyone who sent him home with enough money to buy a new rift in their country he's being a good guy okay guy so good on good on Palmer for doing that I think that's that's super cool and I but the question is how long will he be able to offer these don't know because eventually who knows how many of there are actually are exactly but eventually like all these rifts might end up developing these problems over the over the coming months years mine luckily hasn't had this problem meet you so we got a new VR release from the folks at ILM xlab okay the name I learned about a lot of VR news I'm not excited about this one this is project poured good alright so these are the little flying dudes from the last Jedi mm-hmm you see the movie ya know puffin based creatures right out of bed none ah you know I just I Star Wars they promote their animated characters I think like bb-8 and porks because they don't the pay any money like they don't the but by anyone's right our voices or likenesses this is just free if somebody wants to make a product they can use porks or bb-8 and get away with it already probably even Chewbacca and they're like done then just out the door r2d2 it's all free it's like these are characters that they own entirely that's what that's how I feel about it oh I see a different Lane I have no pride no love for ports I just think there's there's limited like permutations of what you can do with them so it's a simpler design like I can't do like project first order trooper without like having interactions with them in some way like a pork is just gonna like eat food and hang out with you it's like it's your Pokemon but you got it it's of town it's a tamagotchi yeah remember that yeah so this is that's exactly what it is it's uh it it is on magic leap right and it's you look into the world and you see app org and it has a baby and the baby hatches and you have a laser pointer and you can make it run around your room and you can give it food and you take care of it and you can just love your little pork it seems fine does it it's not great you're fine it you're right it seems fine I think it's like it's oddly we see there's not the first time we've seen an app that seems like it would be appealing to children but magically does not submit us to demoys yeah be used on children all right all right so I picked that one so you pick one that's going to be more suits more exciting the psvr will change dramatically is if story shared by norm and it's a non-story apparently Sean Laden he told Game Informer that the next 10 years of the psvr development will be dramatic and that is all there is to that story we don't know any details about why I suppose it's good that they're showing a commitment to VR beyond this life cycle that they see it as taking ten years to become interesting that's the long game is fine I think what are we like two or three years away from a new console PS five how far away it can only be from that because it feels like we're mid generation yeah with ps4 if not later than that that's when it gets interesting because does that mean that's the point we're gonna get new psvr hardware right yeah that would be great too I mean if it really was not part of the ground-up PS 5 that would be great yeah then you have all sorts of thing you're gonna have a more powerful system ground up building then I think and then you're also getting a whole slew of people coming to buy the console from the ground up - yeah so you might as well have this so your adoption rates can go through the roof Sean Laden is the chairman of of s IE worldwide he's a guy you see do all of the announcements at e3 what else we got we got some more to that stories we met lar from a young heart dammit L released an AR M that's a pictionary game tell me about it they're basically I can't believe I'm talking about this story did you read it I did but tell me about it but basically you know you played pictionary before I love pictionary well now Mattel has a a are app that as your that you can draw in the air and it'll render on like a tablet or phone that's like looking at you as to the drawings that are being created that's interesting yeah it's super interesting so it's called pictionary err so instead of drawing on a physical thing you're just drawing into the space I wonder how that feels to the drawer they actually have like a specialized pen that's like a light pen it's weird so that the drawer can't see the drawing but everyone else can exactly I love it this is a really good idea uh yeah I don't know because like isn't part of the experience of drawing and seeing what you've dread drawn already to guide you on what you draw next and of course it is but that's that's the comedy of this idea is that you can't and and there will be people with more imagination than others have you ever done like a time-lapse with a flashlight or a light stick to do a light light drawing yeah something like that like that's exactly the same thing except without the time-lapse although it it does take place over time yes and everyone else can see immediately so you will be getting live feedback from people whether or not you are being silly good or bad I'm a fan this is a good idea okay thanks for telling me about this so I assume it works on just any tablet like yeah I believe so it looks like they're using some kind of a tool to draw with Otis you have to download an app and then it like you you get a light pen that's what it's just literally like a stick with a light at the end I bet you could use it you could probably just use a flashlight or something yeah I mean it's probably picking up on the color yeah um for some reason but whatever more toy fair stuff and yeah I believe it is joyful thanks for letting me know about that really updates last story is just about the user created spaces and rift yeah so do you ever go to home no you have to sometimes yeah you put the rift on and suddenly it's it's been loading for a minute or two well why is it taking up ma my resources ah he loaded my home yeah thank you would you actually put in some time and effort into your home recently I didn't visit you told me about you know I did I went through a couple days where I was like fine let's do this let's see what this is all about and I decorated my space I'm happy with it I've done a better job than in you or norm so I've accomplished what I set out to do now you don't just have to deal you don't just have to place objects that you are given or choose can you choose you can choose out exterior environments prior to this but I don't think you could choose more than one interior environment now they're giving you a few new interior environments to choose from and they're saying they have rolled out the ability to in import your own models so if you'd liked him should I do this is it worth doing I'll enjoy your home this is a weird thing like I I'm I think it's a word the experiment I don't think that it should be something that you're forced into you should know shouldn't I wear shoes to go there the idea of it being multi-user is very interesting because that's right up there and the ready player one you know imagination and the fact that you can now do user-generated content I think it's all heading in the right direction I just don't think they should force you into it we got to make the test at office as one of as Norm's home it's a great idea for Adams cave yeah oh well that would be amazing that would actually be like something super cool yeah but that's like a project he has a few things in that cave would take a little while recreate yes no absolutely but like but what I see is something more like rec room like I think oculus needs a better hub that is social and multiplayer that isn't something that you're just like relegated to that is your your space I totally hear you like I get that it's more like the how much time do I want to invest in yeah in actually customizing the space do you late and just really seeing if it was enjoyable or not well record centered a lot of success with that they had a lot of maker tools that you can design with and they're actually in some ways very limited but that doesn't stop people from trying and reproducing in fact having a real card having it being limited is actually a benefit I feel like yeah you go sister well that's about gonna do it for us this week we did it on a duo cast the greatest podcast of all time I think so yeah I mean at least in terms of podcast I've done today this is the greatest one huh but still early thank you for joining us Jeremy where are you gonna be next week are you gonna be roaming the the floors of the GDC no it's not next week to week so we got a couple weeks before that a couple weeks that's what I meant we I am going to GDC and we will be reporting on all things oculus I know it was leaked that oculus is doing an event prior to GDC and I will be attending that and I'm excited about all things VR at GDC cam so if you see Jeremy say hello yes I love saying hello and next week is my birthday so are we gonna have a podcast on your birthday it is podcast day so I don't know if I'm gonna be busy that day or not you should be yeah I hope you are a post or your benefit you're busy normal be back next week yep I think there's a lot of cool stuff on this on the site right now there's more of the of Adams build with Terry English that's up on the site and a ton of their content too that's nice of you to think about promoting testings content I am a member you are a team member no no I'm actually a member of the site I love the site for luck I thought that was a note there's no I in team pen thing no that's not true there is an eye in Kishor that'll do it for us see you next week do we have an outro we do these were these come via email in which actually the the proper way to submit outros is to the forum the untested comm if you just google test it outro you'll find a very long thread post it in there that but I was forwarded these and we will try one here we are and I will first unmute and then hit the play button hey so I did my Alamo Drafthouse movie night last night what movie was a gravity no yeah beautiful on mute I love that movie on mute and they showed a preview for an Apollo 11 documentary in 70 millimeter just stunning we have to all go see it what do you mean they showed a preview they like a preview before the movie movie previous they showed a preview for a movie coming out I had never heard it because it's the 50th anniversary this year they're releasing all this documentary footage in 70 mil it was stunning it was it was at like blew my mind wow I like walked up on stage and didn't know what to say because that was the last preview I wanna it's just called up how 11:2 gonna go see it I would like to see that movie you know see you next week byethis week's episode of this is only a test is made possible by the fine folks at MailChimp MailChimp is an easy-to-use marketing platform with a name that might make it sound like they only do email but you know they do just about everything to help your businesses grow like ads postcards landing page ads 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train I might not make it in but here I am dayquil DUP caffeinated ready to record what is undoubtedly to be one of the greatest podcasts ever laid to the Internet I feel like you might already reported me because later that evening I started getting ill and so now I have some medicine in me yeah caffeinated up so it'll definitely be the best podcast ever I'm just back from a week away how'd you guys do without me who'd you replace me with you were gone last week yeah oh thanks will was here oh the GD you're the genius yeah oh he must not be thrilled what's going on he didn't blew himself yes last week but he was he knew all about that yeah I'm sure I'm sure he did I was at Harry Potter land and I was expecting the worst I was expecting crowds I was expecting an underwhelming butterbeer I'm here to tell you Florida or I went to in LA I went to LA it was awesome was it I dressed up as my as a ravenclaw because I am Raven quoi how do you dress up as a like is that that with the I brought formal dress robes and dressed up as a ravenclaw is that like the specific badge like is there a ravenclaw emblem yes okay there there's a house there's a whole way of being when it comes to being a ravenclaw it's just really the nerdy house so is right Oh long walk for me anyways I enjoyed it I thought butterbeers tasted great I thought the rides we're good that Hippogriff thing way too short I'm going to Florida now to go here's how to play in there well that's the older one open up the one in Anaheim it's not Anaheim and said it's Hollywood yes LA they opened that one up after our last visit which had have been within the past year it's a couple years old yeah no is it that yeah Wow our old yeah it was amazing I'm ready for Spring Break adventure there can you buy a wand when you go I bought an interactive wand the IR cameras set up that you can cast spells and like certain flicks of your wrist and it sometimes works where are these what do you do that like there's a lot of like storefront windows that have IR cameras hidden you mean they like throughout the little area well and you have they sell wands that have like an IR receiver on and you can you know flick your wand in a certain pattern and it creates like an animation inside of the historic we got to be Easter eggs we're like certain movements if you discover them you'll cast a spell other children don't know about I don't know I didn't discover them but there's like ten spells oh we cast it was a lot of fun I bought that like my wife is like why are you buying an interactive one I'm like because I'm a wizard and then I ran off with her casting spell friend I'm sure that was a huge surprise it was great this is Oscar week are you excited about Oscars at all no I am in your category to you I watched a couple Oscar movies and I'm just I don't think okay I don't know there was a moment there was a moment in time when they were gonna put a lot of technical awards during the commercial break and the technical words it was like cinematography a major awards technically yeah editing right there likes it like major parts of the filmmaking process we're gonna be relegated to the commercial breaks and then they changed course within what like 48 hours put them back on the air yeah because everyone that is coming to the Oscars are like this is a terrible decision yeah don't do this I mean I'm glad they reverse course I am too because I really have most experience with those technical aspects and I appreciate that art but I bet that the the people who run the show probably know that most movie goers just want to see the celebs that's that's fine yeah but that doesn't mean you you sacrifice the integrity of what awards for movies are about mmm-hmm and just relegate all the other awards accept Best Actor - - some other time anyways I'm glad they fixed it I watched Roma that's the only one I've seen that I really recommend and that's on Netflix so it's easy to shoot only one all the ones up for Best Picture that I've seen that I recommend like they're all fine I mean Bohemian Rhapsody was like it's okay I haven't seen it yet but I was surprised it got Best Picture because it only has like a sixty something rotten tomato I mean it's like going to a queen state like live concert what not Queen playing right I mean but it's awesome you're listening to Queen music for you know an hour and a half yeah I don't know do you think that spider-man's a shoo-in for Best Animated I hope so just so they can award it to something that is so visually and artistically stunning and out front yeah I mean I feel like that's what that award is for you know this is one of those years from like why isn't that in the Best Picture nomination because that might be the best picture I saw this year really Wow I don't I top you it that way I don't feel that was in my like top five easily yeah mm-hmm you saw the lego movie too recently I saw that this weekend hit me in the field oh did it totally good yeah I liked it too I liked it more than the first one and you can say that yeah it's because it has it has to do I think we can talk a little bit more about it now it has to do with sibling relationships and I have a cop I have a set of those yeah and so it mirrored a lot of what I've seen and what dealt with and contended with boom and you were probably longing for part of the resolution of this movie where they worked it out themselves well I yeah yeah but but that doesn't happen necessarily yeah right away and there's a there's an interesting twist at the end nope that I thought was brilliant is very authentic I would say yeah and the one mild spoiler for anyone that's stepped on a Lego brick there is one hell of a payoff for that yeah that fell flat for me really yeah I didn't think that was funny and then it they rather then the second time was a little money but are we talking about the credit scene because they echoed they ran that in the credits so let me ask you this so there's this exceptional credits so - animation sequence on Lego bricks I was like is that did he settle for you do they do that yes so I think that's real I don't think it is it's way too complicated but oh they have this rotating barrel this is a spoiler because we're talking about the credits they had a rotating barrel that had slices through it that as the barrel rotated would sort of offer up different scenes that would sort of in motion kind of come together and I was looking at it so I'm like this looks really slick animation I started looking I'm like I think this is real and they have all of the characters from the movie represented but they're built with Legos and not animated they are just dill like they would be if they were made from Legos and you see a couple side shots of from the barrel rolling and it looks like it's in a room yeah like like a stage set room if that is real it's a frame you need the sin effects breakdown of yeah whatever happened in that scene because that blew my mind one of the wonders of the world because I that is to be in a museum uh there's I just don't think there's any possible way it's a way to comment they did because it went on and on and on no I'm sure there were cuts I'm sure it's not like one continuous shot Raika like in gravity or something but I am Shh I think it was real I like it see even if it's not real I love that it fooled you because the entire first movie fooled me I went down on record like after the movie was over I leaned over to my son and I said you know that was entirely stop motion this film has been 40 years in the making ten people died on set excited to reproduce these effects I think about that to this day and how anyone who overheard me probably laughter themselves and so what an idiot well at least they they let you have that moment I think it's time to dive into our top story because we had some breaking news okay top story this week the coast of norm so just over an hour ago Samsung announced its whole new fleet of phones that's right I'm using word fleet now to describe this and so we're gonna have some initial reactions to it I have no reaction you're gonna have a reaction to it let's talk about the basic phones first well I just want to acknowledge first of all we're reacting to early information so if we miss bits and pieces we'll get to it next week it's just more that this is like an hour after it's actually whoa it's actually happened why is that happening I don't know my canned coffee just blew up on my lap it's almost like you shook it up beforehand or something ah this is unfortunate well well Jeremy is doing that let's give the high-level stuff they announced a number of phones in the S 10 series well they asked two of them three of them three was the S 10 e starting at 749 the S 10 starting at 899 and the S 10 plus starting at $9.99 oh there we go and then they announced the galaxy fold which has been rumored for a number but this is totally different look no no no they had put in rumors of this galaxy fold coming up I know I know but it's not it's not the same category of phone no no it's not in the same category I'm just like getting out all this stuff they focused yes and then we'll come back to the phones and and that's really more of a tablet Beneful phone so that's why we should Allegiant Oh interesting okay we're gonna have an argument about this by the way when I saw galaxy fold trending on Twitter I really thought we had made a real astronomical breakthrough completely forgotten balls are real someone get Neil Tyson on the phone now all right let's talk about the phones okay so the s tens are always as an Android lover I'm not a big Samsung guy because my experience with them historically has been the bloatware on them but they've always come out as like the most overpowered sets of phones year-over-year they're more power than then the Google phones when they quickly come out what do you mean overpowered like I mean they have the fastest processor the newest processor they usually have the most memory inside of them they have the highest red screen they have like all the bells and whistles are usually just an samsung phone for the most part there's I mean we can quibble about a lot of things well this phone comes out and punches you in the face typically okay and and there's no change here this is the specs on this phone or on these phones are ridiculous so this isn't just a spec bump though it's a whole new architecture redesigned physical form factor mm-hmm the screen sizes are up the s10 is up 0.3 inches over last year's so that means it's now over a six inch phone it is a 6.1 inch phone and that it's also because the the bezels are way down like they're just almost non-existent and it looks like they still haven't gone with the notch that they found a way to put the camera behind the display but by you have to cut out pixels for it okay and so there's a there's a hole in the screen where the camera exists and I don't know Tim I like that idea it means that it's as small as it needs to be hey I'm fine with the idea but it means that's those pixels that do light up around that space are essentially gonna be dead space yeah they're gonna light up and just have like background color in that space right like that's really usable area on your phone yeah I guess what I have not yet seen the display in action so it remains to be seen what that what the consequences are for that but at least you you minimize the intrusion of that of that you know hardware and your screen might display do you mean the Infinity oh that's what they call dynamic AMOLED screen oh really it's a 30 40 by 1440 AMOLED display so it is as massive the weird part that I don't get I guess I don't I don't understand this in my real life is there talking about how it it sends out a lot less blue light so your eyes will get much less tired from the screen right like I you the iPhone does the thing where you can turn on night shift yeah Google's phones do the same thing I guess I mean I look at screens all day and I don't get that effect I don't get that sort of drying out from the blue light but everyone seems to accept you can buy glasses that are yellow tinted that filter it out you mean blue blockers sure from that if reversal the eighties is that a thing blue rubber the blue blockers infomercial oh I remember freedom rocket people tweet at Jeremy with blue blockers commercials on YouTube may 80s it might have been mid early 90s but like in that region ok there's a whole rap song about the to tweet that to me would be great right up there with not a good rep so I'll copy that floppy oh wow you know that one no all right tweet that one to cut short we wrote so I mean display is it's a ridiculous resolution it has it's a big ass display i don't get the i still i don't get the blue light thing but i think that probably has some benefit to people that are gonna be using the phone constantly i think the blue light thing is a bigger deal on your laptop and on your on your desktop screen frankly the phone more than any other screen when you're looking at it shorter different yeah short term you're putting it up and down yeah uh cameras should we talk about cameras how many cameras does it have well as many as a good fit they have a six i think yeah i think which is exactly six it's a ton of cameras where's the thing so on the s10 there's a dual aperture 12 megapixel camera really interested in seeing that actually an action with the dual aperture one is telephoto lens i guess it's a telephoto camera because you can't say it lens here and then ones a wide camera it's i think it's 16 megapixel oh you've got 100 800 degree view hundred twenty degree view it's the full the one that has the six cameras yeah this only has two cameras like a normal phone three three yeah three cameras for the s 10 in the s 10 plus yeah it has the 12th dual aperture camera oh you're counting that is to that dual no it's a dual aperture know it has a 12 megapixel do laughter camera a 12 megapixel telephoto camera and an ultra-wide 16 megapixel 123 degree camera got it got it got it yeah I need to see the camera in action and then it has front-facing in addition to those so that's a that's quite a lot of lenses does it matter to you I'm like going beyond the actual photos for a second that this can record in HDR ten I you know what though I think some people do care about that if you're like a mobile like video maker when you're shooting movies on your phone even if you're just an enthusiast like a serious thin thews just level video guy I think probably there's a side of norm that likes to push the envelope with with the video and I think that he would probably be curious to test that out it does not I do ever since I phone has shot in HD I've been happy yeah that's all it takes I mean the extra features in video like the time-lapse the slow-mo all that kind of stuff are actually more important to me in video and then the storage associated just because of of shooting in in HD and 4k all these cameras will let you do this kind of adjustable focus so you can believe okay yeah more unless the do a super steady camera feature which will that's kind of its kind of in digital stabilization what it is yes that was it claims that it's on par with most action cameras what does that mean you know GoPro no so yeah I don't know I mean it's a high-tech camera as you said I mean specs we need to see it in action are you gonna get one no why not I did just break my pixel to so I'm in the market for a new phone I just I want to see it tested in the real world because I've been blown away by some of the Google software features on the phone like nitesite you love really just is incredible tell people when that is and that's where you allow it's a software feature allows like low-light and images to - it's a cigar went along the Carter yeah right yeah so I've been really blown away and that should be available on this phone just like all of the other flagship Google phones but I want to see what it looks like yeah in reality and so we got in like that sort of hands-on testing that'll come out in the next couple weeks Snapdragon 855 inside baseline six ran six gigs of RAM but now up to twelve on this thing which is I think a new high-water mark for for phones there's a lot of red is a lot of RAM like yeah I remember when my PC had four you know for what case 64 kilobyte yeah the I wonder if is that diminishing returns like I understand six to eight I don't use anything like I know people actually use like like Photoshop and Lightroom on their phone and like part of it is this resolution like when you keep cranking up the res it's like that is a lot of bytes to store and RAM and I mean it's just a matter of if it's gonna be doing any kind of multitasking that's a lot of stuff alright D last week did you guys talk about the 5g nonsense that's going out like we AT&T is doing my point five gia I'm aware of it yeah yeah yeah I'm pretty sure we did I sometimes like it confused what was before what was after we hit the record button but yes we certainly did talk about it because Samsung didn't announce there's a 5g version of this phone like like an actual 5g version of this phone oh wow that's coming out and according to them like the specs aren't terribly different inside we like we think it the phone will have to be physically bigger with a 5g chip inside why well just because that I think the 5g hardware is a little bigger really yeah but I mean like physically bigger I mean not actually that much bigger and like but it's like they said the 5g model looks essentially the same okay to the non 5g model I you know what if IG comes out and no one can tell the difference like that's gonna be so sad if that were the case cuz it's got so much promise behind it I have not been excited about a new cell phone technology since like 3G there's no so I I will that would sell me an iPhone because I'll probably stick a tip than the iPhone for all the sad reasons I have to stick in the iPhone you know they got to they got me and my whole family but when like that would be a killer feature if it comes out and it actually does gigabit like no problem I know they they did say the the 5g phone is six point is the six point seven inch size yeah that's too big like that that's starting to get to the size where it won't fit in my front pocket that says where am I putting this phone I don't know I don't know why there people are chasing that big screen hmm what do you think in the price the price of these phones yeah it's exactly what I thought it would be yeah kept under a thousand which I actually was a little surprised about because I high-end one like even the high-end ones is a thousand like they go down from there and obviously it's all expensive it's $800 and up but you know given the cost of the iPhone 10 I think that that's done a lot to raise people's expectations for how expensive a phone can be well if you're interested in a thousand-dollar phone can I interest you in a $2,000 phone no I will not go a penny above $1,900 okay well I can I think I might be able to get you into something at that at that price it's really two screens and want Jeremy Wow tell me about it well they the Galaxy fold this is something that's been ruined about for how long I don't know like a years I mean like I think people at least I I did I confuse it with what we seen with that royale flex pay phone that we've seen out at CES a bunch of times okay this is two OLED displays instead of one that curves around and that they're each like 1960 by 840 and then literally unfolds and snaps together and the images they showed from the stage it looked like wouldn't snap together into sort of a tablet formation you could not see the seam I between the two I think you might be mistaken and one of us is then we should be forgiven because this is right off the darkest but I think that that screen the 1960 by 840 is the front-facing phone screen yes that's a phone screen but then inside is an entirely so I said the wrong numbers isolated screen which is the foldable screen yeah which is actually 21:52 by 15:36 I was wrong and used to it and so that like it is a foldable phone but you don't like unfold a screen and get bigger there's just two screens yeah there's two screens and so I meant by unfolding yeah yeah but so the in the interior screen you don't see any of while it's collapsed oh that's why there but there still dislike seem when you flip like unfolded well supposedly not because it is a single screen and this hinge is supposed to be very well designed so there's no actual seam between the two halves of your folded screen I guess I don't understand that like I saw it sort of like unfurl itself and I guess I don't understand this interlocking gear mechanism they're talking about it inside I haven't seen the video of it at all I just have read about it and seen a few photos it's but it's a foldable phone humungous it's got all the top specs it has a you know the six cameras that I mentioned earlier I believe has the the same amount of RAM as the Thai end camera are they high on s 10 the 12 megabytes but this foldable screen is is intriguing I mean it's the kind of thing when you see a friend who has one if you have a friend who has $2,000 just been on the phone you will want to see this thing in action alright so like here's the basics of it you have like a four point six inch phone face yeah that's like double thick it is very reminiscent of like yeah it's a phone from about like 10 years very uncomfortably thick I wouldn't get it yeah and then you unfold it and like as you unfold it and this is where I still don't get what how you don't see the seam uh-huh you unfold it like look and and somehow you don't see this seam in the middle right I get it's a single screen yeah is whatever this 7.3 inch size so you're basically paying for a phone that's four point six inches that's double thick and a tablet that's a 7 inch tablet well if you want but it yeah they're all it's one device and so like one of the demos that they gave is that you can pull up Google Maps on the small screen open it up and it's the same location already reflected on the big screen like that's that's it that's cool I guess like I suppose that's exactly what you would expect but there's not a whole lot of infrastructure built into Android yet to take advantage of that of two screens like that and so they're just beginning to roll these ideas out and I I'm not sure there's gonna be so much there that it will be as enticing as it should be I guess there's the one complaint I have and like you should dig me on this one that plate yeah this is one is gotta be the price right no I mean like forgiving all of this is like a first to market it's gonna be unreasonably expensive right all of that stuff it's that like when you have the tablet open it looks like a normal tablet for the most part right fine fine but when it's folded in half and you're working on your double thick phone Finance double ticket that's like the laws of physics have to reign somewhere but you don't get like the full you don't have like a full width full-length screen there yeah it's basically only you have this massive bezel essentially are you telling me that the foldable phone is not a great phone or a great tablet it might be yeah I'm starting to come around to that that that's the problem it might be the case you could probably buy a tablet and a phone for less than 1980 dollars and like tape it them together yeah they're the duct tape is for free I I'm really I mean a we're being snarky but I'm actually really curious to get my hands on this because I didn't imagine a scenario where this would be useful I'm not one of those people that that gets out of stylus and writes on my phone but I know a lot of people that do use like the Galaxy Note in that way yeah this could be an interesting gambit for people who use their phone like that as a is essentially their only device 7 nanometre processor 12 gigabytes of RAM 512 gigs of storage that's already good well that's what it should be I mean if it's a tablet wouldn't you want something in that range yeah I just don't know what to expect anymore yeah you and me both you me bro I love for if norm got this into test I'd be so curious about it but I like I have a hard time getting over like what the phone looks like I just want to see a foldable screen like I've never seen one I've never gone to CES and had my laid my eyes on this kind of technology I think once you see it you'll set you'll your mind might turn to ideas where it could be applied in useful interesting ways I mean I have dumb questions maybe like you know probably Patrick Norton is like yelling at us as I say this like I know Oh LEDs as this has this organic you know layer beneath it yeah I'm wondering if like the physical manipulation of the screen at this point at this at the seam whatever we're calling it you haven't that degrade that organic layer over time just from the repeated mechanical stresses on it all I know is that the LEDs from the beginning have had a foldable capability and so yeah because the organic layer is bendable yeah so I'm sure that there's a limit within which you can bend it safely and France probably some of the magic of that would you but that's what I'm saying is like is it I get that that's the spec for it yeah but is it also like a chair that you can only sit in it so many times before it like just wears out like is there isn't it can be within spec to like fold it right but it doesn't wear out after 2,000 folds or something like that I would hate for a technology company to embed obsolescence into their product I can't imagine that anyone would know but like I wonder if they've actually done that kind of test yeah like if they need a robot that's open didn't closed it like like in IKEA where they have like the robot that like sits in the chair over and over again I think we've killed this we moved on let's go what do you we're skipping pop culture this week aren't we yeah because norm is not here to lead the charge on that one we're going yeah right I can explain you enough to technology I'm glad we got all that out about phone because it's time to talk about a phone the LGG eight weeks are out Ars Technica has some of the initial photo previews of it it's due it's expected to debut at Mobile World Congress like which is just in a week or so this phone look kind of looks like an iPhone 10 and has the notch it's a beautiful big screen fingerprint sensor on the back dual camera on the back everything that we expect OLED display like you would expect from LG I can't wait to see the actual specs this phone looks really gorgeous to me huh I know nothing about it I'm sure it looks very nice yep that's that's about it I mean we don't have pricing or anything else but you know you can take a look at the the preview photos I think it looks great oh by the way we did mention on the S tens that they have a new fingerprint scanner oh yes it's built into the display yeah which is me we saw a little bit of that we saw a phone at CES that had that which I thought was awesome I I'm super curious how well that works especially you know all the fingerprint sensors they exist now break down with like a wet finger or anything else like that yeah and since this is using much more optical information from what I understand maybe I don't know okay it'd be interesting how it works I have more to say about the g8 except it's coming our friends at Facebook almost completed a purchase see underneath her nose but not any time recently this is an interesting this is I was thinking about maybe we should just put this in the VR minute because it is tied to that there's a book that came out yesterday this week by Blake Harris called the history of the future which he's the he's the author of console wars which is a excellent book came out five years ago that I listened to on a audiobook and it's now being turned into a miniseries he's a he's a good author and this new book is about the history of oculus Oh from like the early Palmer days through the acquisitions as far as I can tell and I have the book on order it should be arriving tomorrow I can't wait to read it it is largely about oculus during Palmer and and up until the point where he leaves or was ousted and it's so interestingly like it doesn't sound like it's so much about the current day quest and such looking forward looking it was it's an interesting story behind the making of the book because he was given a ton of access to oculus like unfettered access to the company even after the Facebook acquisition when he would come into the campus and talk to all the executives carte-blanche ask any questions he wanted had access to a lot of emails that were not made public although you know beyond oh wow and one of the emails that he was given access to open anyway the the end of that story was he was then cut off and all his access was curtailed and the book does not take a positive and exclusively positive slant on the company and so it how could it I mean with it was rife with yes with with drama Carmack's come out recently saying probably much to the chagrin of Facebook PR what he's read of the book this was before it was released is all factually correct and so you know he's given him a lot of credibility the story that you mentioned is was mentioned in an email cut years ago I want to say like 2015 which was released by TechCrunch sent to them by the author of the book and release in its entirety on TechCrunch yeah it's from June 22nd 2015 and it's a long email from Mark Zuckerberg to executives at oculus and elsewhere in the in face book about his vision for VR and why they want to be in that space so this is right after the acquisition and just on page three or four of this of this email he just on a side mentions that they're considering buying unity this is clearly something they had they had been discussing inside the company right do you think the unity thing well apparently that was like this is way deep into the discussion like that they have discussed this for a long time and he just starts to reflect on why that would be such a good idea they so the apparently Facebook seriously considered buying perhaps even made an offer to unity which of course never came to pass and unity is is doing quite well and they're probably happy being independent still but I mean there's so pre-ipo I think they're gonna try next year that's what I've read too yeah you know mostly multi-billion dollar IPO and it's just interesting that Facebook was considering buying that company after buying oculus like they were look they were considering going on this acquisition spree of becoming a just like the VR machine that I mean I guess it would agree it would have pushed people more to their platforms I could imagine did you read that the email because that's exactly it like they wanted to embed Facebook services into unity and and make them the easiest to use and you know the lowest barrier to entry for any developer and even like to the extent of like he implied that they could choose how much to support you know the other guys and even that you know with unity being amused to design games for iOS and other platforms they said they would never overtly like refused to support them but they could choose how much they wanted to what a gigantic shift that would have been I mean yeah we probably wouldn't see much from a user at this point because if you look at like whatsapp and Instagram are we feeling much of that acquisition in those spaces yet a little bit right you know I'd be curious though yeah because the other part of this of this email this is much more than the VR side was about oculus and it was like why do we want to be in this space and what and they wanted to accelerate the adoption of VR not just to the vague - that they could get to the point where VR was a sustainable business but because they want to get past the mobile generation they see and as many people do VR as the you know the next great computing platform after mobile and the fastest way to get there is to accelerate VR adoption and so they because they see Google and Apple as being the forerunners in that space they cannot compete with them and they want to own the hardware at this time the platform itself which and all the services so they that's how they saw oculus and unity combined as the way to get there and it's it's just a fascinating email from four years ago I would love to see a leaked email from today and see their thoughts on it now but I highly recommend it seems like an interesting book to read well this is just an email yeah I mean this is just an excerpt yet build excitement for the book right that's why I released it so I'm sure there's gonna be details about Palmer split and all that kind of stuff - I always are a lot about that in the book the we'll talk more about this in the very minute how about that yeah that sounds good I am a fan of not tying my shoes and by that I mean I love any other system of elastics or ratchets anything that I don't have to tie my shoes I mean velcro right it's been around since we were kids yeah my kid still uses them yep and earlier this year when we talked about a story about Nike releasing a self-lacing self-tightening really set of shoes for $350 that would connect to your app and just give you the right tightness based off of where you were going like no dick no now making up stuff look at the Goldilocks tightening yeah it would just it would be perfect yeah well this week we got a story out of the verge that's actually just sourced in the in the Google Play Store that Android users are having problems pairing one of their shoes I can't remember if it's the left or right you with the app and so they cannot tighten their shoe but they can tighten the other one oh that's too bad I mean it is like symbolic of our of the world we live in I can't lace my shoes now because my at my the Internet of Things it's funny but it's not funny oh it's because this is gonna be me soon cuz I hide it like when norm first mentioned that story months ago I was like 350 bollocks isn't that much I mean we are talking some Nike yes dude yeah I mean no bad you you're the sports fan I mean could you see ESPN like people on their sand these shoes are great because when I'm up at the plate or I guess what do you put in you're playing basketball so like when I'm on the what is it a basketball court when I'm on the court I can adjust I can hit the button and I get the court tightness and when I go for my free throw because someone fouled me I can loosen it up a bit like do you see that actually being useful to people no huh like who needs that level of adjustment in their life I need to relax now shoelace is untied in just a little bit yeah give me a four on those right now that's silly I'm going on a run give me a 10 I think they would understand that like I understand like meeting a really tight sort of customized fit yeah for athletes you know during their performance but not adjusting them on the fly because that's part of the pitch yeah is it I can do that I don't know they need the self drying jacket then you can go full Marty McFly we're getting there no again there we have to check on the juicer smart juicer market see where that where that's going not juicer what was it mr. fusion mr. fusion you know we got to check in and see you sir what was that thing it was a it was a Cuisinart Cuisinart there is some amazing toys that came out like Kenner came out with some old-school sets a Super seven has a bunch of cool pema and stuff like I'm in the movie stuff really beautiful action figures right um the one thing that caught my eye is something that I can't imagine tested not covering at some point because it it embodies Lego and augmented reality which is your mouth watering right it just seems like it's like what how many times you see two of tested you know core core competencies like them together you have to unpack it a little bit they are to do what like so you build a kit yes yes you build the kit Apple already demoed this on on stage like when they were talking about AR kit and what an amazing future we had in front of us they brought Lego on stage and they brought they put their phones in front of a Lego set and you saw the figures and the whole scene come to life so then it turned into like a game or something like that right yes exactly so but so that's what this is it's an AR kid enabled app that you load up on your phone and if you buy one of was there you got eight kits and you build the kit you put the phone in front of the kit apparently some of the some things will come to life now all of the kits are haunted themed yeah actually you can't I don't know if you can tell that like the the sets are called a hidden side and the sort of like ghosts that pop out of these yes so the different sets are high school train bus diner truck graveyard boat in labna graveyard obviously yeah it's gonna have some pointed aspects yes all of these are haunted to some degree and that school bus is actually the third most expensive one high school at 1400 pieces 1474 pieces is a hundred and thirty bucks so it seems like on par with standard LEGO pricing but you've got on top of that this cool app feature and interestingly for an AR perspective it works as you would hope you don't need to put down a QR code you don't need to have any kind of I'm just fiducial marker you build the sets and then you point the phone at certain aspects of it and apparently they will come to life and there's this game you play where ghosts here and you have to find all the ghosts obviously they should have gone with a Ghostbusters theme but maybe they'd be too expensive oh no but it the graphics look good seems like the technologies come up a bit since we've last seen they aren't with toys and the fact that you can just build the sets as normal and then you get this cap on top of it seems like it's a better synergy it's not like one needs the other necessarily but they do work well together it all depends on what that experience in AR is like to justify it but it's like even if it's bad you still get the set and you still build it as normal and they're good looking sets it's all you know regular Lego stuff and the the haunted aspects to that like the graveyard it's a neat looking set but you're right like I what I'm curious about is how well does the AR integrate into the reality and apparently like you do have to move around the actual Lego pieces so it's cool it's not like it all takes place on the screen and I think that's crucial to make it this thing actually makes sense and feel good is for the AR to involve real stuff that you physically move around see what I want and this is this is totally science fiction is the AR Lego app that you can set out a bunch of pieces and it like looks at them and gives you suggestions on what to build with oh my god that's amazing right because that's what's in the lego movie is like you see the part numbers and I'm up like A Beautiful Mind yeah highlight I love this idea and then they could actually like arrange themselves and like give you suggestions that's a great idea - sure that's where imagination comes from an app guiding you towards it that is the future why not do it make it so Lego let's take a break to get a message from our friend norm oh absolutely I would love to do that let's see what we got a turn his mic up a little bit this week's episode of this is only a test is also made possible by molecule we've all heard of HEPA filters we use them on our workshops even our homes but that's pretty old technology 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looking worse yeah but aging is this complex sets of properties that are happening at the cellular level as well vampires know all about this yeah absolutely so this is definitely a McCobb kind of study but it actually pointed to some benefits of this kind of transfusion and so science the science has been exploring this kind of area for a while but also ancillary early a lot of pseudoscience bs has popped up in this in this area in concept I think mostly fueled by sports a lot of athletes have gone and gotten young blood transfusions in certain like areas like around their their patella and all these kinds of things as a way to reverse certain ailments and conditions the FDA this week had to come out an issue a warning stop doing this stop buying young blood from people on the market because there's so many companies just literally selling blood and it's very um manipulative like how much is like buying a blood cost uh it can be up to eight thousand dollars a liter dude what don't we shouldn't put this out there people will sell their blood no it's not good I mean like they're literally companies selling blood a young blood as a way to reverse Alzheimer's oh it's awful Wow and so I just wanted to tell you that because like the FDA issued this sort of like warning about this I think there's gonna be some crackdowns but it also points to like there's this underlying research about what the heck is going on but the research is very all over the place they're trying to understand sort of fundamental conditions of Aging oh wait there's a fascinating set of of how these two areas like are interlinked like the scientific research has bled into the pseudoscience world as it bled yeah I'd really was trying to get their whole time it took me a while what about the mice experiment so the mice experiment pointed to all sorts of interesting conditions that we saw slowing down in certain aging processes but it was very early work and like that work is progressed over the last decade and I'm not up to date on like the latest paper in it okay but essentially it's very incremental small like we're trying to understand why it isn't like transfusions of blood make a difference there being like if we transfuse this blood what do we see change in the process yes happening and they're interested in the change in processes not necessarily what the transfusion of blood is all about right that was a yet there diagrams of that experiment that I do not recommend leaving when I hear the word Youngblood I think of Bruce Willis because my very first CD that I ever owned was like the return of Bruno I want to say that's the name of the album he during his moonlighting yeah he released a CD where he's a blues artist and it's this fake return of an artist he was his first album but on there I think there's a song called Youngblood and he sings it this is the first CD you owned yes it's not a good first CD just prior to start your peppers and Lonely Hearts Club Band so I mean second CD slight increase in quality see ina Dark Side of the Moon was my first CD Wow which is amazing and then I got a BMG membership and then it also found out all downhill alright two more stories why do zebras have stripes that sounds like a children's book story no no it's it's it let me guess it's because when they run in packs they're predators can't discern one from the other yeah so David Attenborough taught me that years ago and it's true that is actually true that we see the them in that pack mentality creates confusion amongst amongst their predators yeah well researchers wanted to study what it looks like if we gave other horses zebra stripes so they created basically the first-ever horse cosplay that I'm aware of where they knitted like a zebra outfit and put them on these horses yeah because they wanted to study if it has more impacts than just on predators and what they studied is horse flies and how they actually try to horse flies actually are named that because they surround horses and they try to bite them yep and they looked at how many flies were able to bite horses once they put on their zebra cosplay but what the horse flies bite them when they're standing still the whole point of the zebra stripes is when they're moving so what they found is the flies aren't able to process the the contrast in the colors and were a visibly confused as to the location of the animal on the island because they see in grayscale this is not good science by the way this is the top story in The New York Times science section terrible sights but it's a story about horse flies being confused not about what no no it's not about why zebras have stripes I just titled that because I think that's a fun way to title the story did you see the video clip of somebody wearing a horse mask and a horse thinking it was another horse and they takes the horse mask off and the horse just freaks out so what the hell if I wasn't freaked out to just walks the other way with his head and saying no no sorry this is a real yes it's a real thing is also the dayquil talking so okay guys well here we go third dayquil story coming up have you ever microwaved a grape marshmallow yes grape no you are missing out what happens so if you have a grape but leave a little like skin connected between the two halves and put it in the microwave you are essentially going create a plasma arc it will arc from one grape to the other do I need to cut the grape open it's better if you cut the grape open and leave a little skin connected that's when you get like the best Arco typically but you can also just put two grapes like next to each other typically and have that effect we need a little like separation why does this happen so for the longest time people thought it was the electrolytes in the grape we're absorbing the microwaves and bouncing back and forth and generating enough energy to essentially create a plasma that plasma will then arc into another area it's like you're almost creating a circuit inside of your microwave cool it's a really cool effect it's spectacular to look at and as long as you're smart about it you won't destroy your microwave researchers have been studying this effect and wondering if that explanation is true and what they found is not true in the way we thought it's the microwave beam is not getting stuck inside the grape and bouncing around within the electrolytes it's actually getting stuck in the space between the two grape halves well that would mean you have to have the grape in the right spot it is so there are hot spots yeah in the microwave where this wouldn't happen and so it's sort of bouncing back and forth between the grapes and then it would generate the arc between the two that's good science yeah it was pretty good there's a video I'll put it in the in the show notes for people and then you can you can watch it it's pretty great it's pretty grape oh I'm on a roll here do you recommend eating a microwave grape no I wouldn't think it awful Rosie the VR minute virtual reality this week you can't get away from him he's everywhere so we mentioned the book the history of the shooter by play keris the first book in the VR book club projections book club oh yeah I mean I imagine it's gonna be read by a lot of people who follow this stuff I'm excited to read it I I checked out the audiobook and I was not a fan of the of the cadence so I'm went I went dead tree do you worry that I mean there's a lot of books that focus on you know conflict in businesses and you know even though like the the great well-reviewed biographies of Steve Jobs Steve Jobs tends to highlight the the moments of drama because that's what sells books yeah do you think this is gonna exaggerate the situation at all are you worried about that you know I don't mind that I mean it it's the first book console wars was loaded with dramatizations because it's based on ancient history like it was based on the Sega Versa Nintendo Wars so he had to reenact you know it's quote-unquote reenact a lot of this stuff I don't think this book is filled with that much reenactments but it's and I from what I understand as I'm about to say he did an AMA on reddit and what he I think at one point said in there is that that's a different style in this book and that it's much more based on just relaying facts and because it's all happening right now in real time it was a different style than his last book so I you're right he may be he will amp up some of the some of that and but you know what that's good storytelling as long as it remains factually correct I'm happy some interesting tidbits that he relayed in the AMA about Facebook about oculus somebody asked him does what were sucks expectations for VR and have we met them right like almost five years later and interestingly when oculus or when Facebook was courting oculus Zuka said to then Brendan Uribe the CEO if we quote if we don't work together then it won't make sense for us to build for your platform for at least five years until it reaches 50 to 100 million units right so this is sort of like the an interesting number if you don't but if we don't work something out we're not gonna work on your platform but more importantly if this says what his expectations are for where we are now we are not at 50 to 100 million units friend we are a small percentage of that what number do you think we're at or we at I would two to four million units Mamie sure yeah I would say like VR like yeah maybe I don't know I really don't know I know that gear VR and go for the cost they are what they've far outsold the rift psvr is done rather well but for the their flagship headset they are nowhere near that and I imagine that the quest will help to start turn things around because we'll be able to combine the best of both worlds of six degrees of freedom with a mobile always from in VR ready to go headset user-friendly you know it remains to be seen what kind of power the quest really has and is it going to satisfy developers but I think my hunch is that they will scale things down it won't have the detrimental impact people are concerned about and we will have him a good experience I my fingers are crossed I hope quest is the turning point for VR going mass-market I also don't trust that number that you threw at the 50 100 million yeah it was a number that you said was sighted while courting yes no absolutely right so like what is the likelihood that that is a hyperbolic number I I actually think that he thought that was possible because I think five years seems like a lot to people dealing with technology and it's always the thing that you don't expect like it's it's always the adoption of some technology that is super fast and the other thing takes a long time so it's it's hard to tell sometimes it's gonna be the success and I imagine that he was hoping and Beth you know ideal scenario as amazing as virtual reality was I mean at this point he had tried like the valve room you know the that the famous room that they built using the the symbols along the around the walls and you know walking out on a plank out into the middle of a room textured with webpages that made you feel a sense of vertigo like having sent having seen that having been one of the few people in the world that had tried modern VR I could imagine saying yeah if we make this into a consumer product we will sell 50 million within five years that didn't that doesn't seem crazy to me mm-hmm so yeah I don't know I thought that was an interesting tidbit to see what his expectations were compared to where they ended up also what let's catch up on John is there anything else I wanted to mention one more quote from this AMA this one's a little on the downside somebody asked him how much does the oculus of 2009 resemble the oculus of 2014 along the same lines yeah and the author responded with a quote from somebody who works at oculus saying I won't presume to give you that answer but I will give you a quote from an early oculus employee quote finished I feel an immense sense of loss it feels like nothing in there exists anymore it really is history hey so I back to the that's a devastating quote back to the notion that this book is not 100% positive on Facebook / oculus and why his access was cut it will be interesting to read I'm excited to it it's also like I'm not surprised by that quote given everything we've seen all right so let's do a lightning round of VR slot there is a lot so that's why we got to run through it well I mean you know know we had time okay so norm and I had tried the Vario headset oh you've tried this they got the release not this one but we try to prototype so there's a high res headset yeah yeah so we this is a company out of Finland and they've designed as a company the company is called Vario var Jo and they have done finally announced their headset they're calling it the VR - one and do you have any idea how much a professional high-end VR headset should cost I mean just extrapolating from what we know I would say 2500 no this is a six thousand dollar virtual reality headset holy crap yes with no audio capabilities no built-in headphones well obviously in like we we don't look at that number through the lens of like a consumer product this is a hey so let me tell you why they are charging that amount yeah oh by the way you also need to paid a nine hundred ninety five dollars per year license for software and warranty okay if they're mandatory sure so this is not for consumers but I know a lot of people are like well what do I care but you should care because this Hardware inside this is the future this kind of thing comes down and price eventually works its way into the consumer marketplace this headset is very unique right it has a basically a vive pro resolution field of view display that is just like the background and that's what you that's just always there you look around this it's what basically fills your periphery but then in the center they have used an optical combiner to put a high resolution display in the center rectangular with with soft edges that blend into the other screen and that high resolution display gosh what is the resolution of it it is twenty times the resolution of the vive Pro headset three thousand pixels per inch and it is like retina quality it is it is what they're saying it is human eye resolution like such that you can't discern so is it sit in your center of field of view it is always Center it's almost like a fixed fovea dren during right like the economic now if the oculus go it's always going to be best in the center so if you want to focus on something you turn your head and you look at it and the thing that you're that you're looking towards is ultra-high-resolution this is actually kind of like what it feels like to wear glasses in some way right like you look at the eds it's like slightly less yet resolution right in the center it looks sharp yeah but it'd be this is a little bit different than that but yeah I get there because it's it's actually the much less of your field of youth in the glasses than glasses are so it would be like wearing very small guy yes very small glasses with like transfer translucent rims but I got to tell you like norm and I both tried this headset I wish he was here so he could weigh in on this but it is one of the most memorable VR experiences I've ever had like wearing new hardware because it was the highest resolution and it was beyond what I expected what we were capable of making it yet did they build demo softer or were you doing something that exists oh they built their own demo software so what was what was happening in the screen was stuff like coming from your periphery out into the middle well like what was that exploited one of the most amazing things with a photogrammetry that they had scans so they scan to shop with SLR cameras and they it was just one of the best photogrammetry the things I didn't even think it was volumetric at first because it was so sharp and well done like that usually with photogrammetry geometry is very bulbous and incorrect and this was really good and so I looked around and eventually I just leaned and I said oh I didn't realize this was volumetric and so I could really lean into things and check things out and I liked the amount of like you're looking at instrumentation and detail that you would see in the real world with that center area of the lens and it really is just like perfect like it's what you want from its it's the dream it's like what you want from from VR I'm sorry I surprised by this because I've heard you talk about like yeah we want to be able to read text yeah yeah we get that right but I can't remember we did this on the podcaster over lunch like we were talking about like the different things that we could have in VR whether that's you know higher resolution like we're talking about here or eye tracking for a better kind of social experience and I you weren't the one that said higher resolution was where it that no no I I guess what I meant was it's not more my priorities are because what you really want is the entire screen to be high-res not a subset of it like not an optically combined screen in the center you really want the whole screen and then you want fovea and rendering to resolve the pixels mature-looking but we are like so if this cost $6,000 weird like it were so far away from having a full resolution screen everywhere that is not even on my radar like I think there's much shorter term games to be made with eye tracking that's that would interest me did this sort of set up this optical combining did you like catch it or was it like seamless enough that you didn't notice it no you can totally tell that that said they said they were going to improve it we saw a demo year and a half ago so the animal the size of that center screen is larger now than the one that we saw so I would love I can't wait to see this like hopefully we'll be able to do that at some point this year and report back on it I was very impressed when I saw it I'm glad to see they finally kind of market I am shocked by the price but these are people designed automobiles I mean this is not something that is written is for consumers and I think it's gonna be perfect for people like working in the military who want to do simulators where you need to see instrumentation it really is for applications that aren't even on my radar I look at this and this is the mean they can call it whatever they want this is essentially a developer kit sure yeah it uses steamvr to tracking so that's you know pretty to go in if you have a chance I'd watched their promo video because it's extremely well done that the fins have a knack for combining art and technology and I think that video speaks to it so that's that's cool they finally came to market or are coming to market this year if you have a oculus rift see v1 and it has lost audio in one of the speakers Palmer Luckey has a fix for you and if you've gone through the rigmarole of contacting support support saying you are out of warranty sorry can't help you you can forward that correspondence to Palmer and he will send you for free eight kit to fix you were rift why is he doing this well I mean I mean it's rhetorical but like he feels some responsibility for yeah a headset like especially that headset that said he has no responsibility for that for supporting you the company that's the company and he obviously has taken upon himself to earn some goodwill and be a good guy and he is helping you out he's Helen any what's in this for a hair kid apparently it's a technic like a from an engineering standpoint it's rather simple you need to connect the grounds between the two speakers and that solves the problem apparently like there's just a trace or something that or a conductor that doesn't last over time and so he found a way to fix it and that he thinks anybody can do and he's sending it out for free now obviously you can't just email him to get one you have to go through this process send the correspondence but I think it's great I think he's he's helping people out if there's anyone out there who has a rift without sound and there certainly are people because he asked a ton of people on Twitter and reddit to send him the broken ones so he could test fix it we can test the fixes by the way he reimbursed everyone who sent him home with enough money to buy a new rift in their country he's being a good guy okay guy so good on good on Palmer for doing that I think that's that's super cool and I but the question is how long will he be able to offer these don't know because eventually who knows how many of there are actually are exactly but eventually like all these rifts might end up developing these problems over the over the coming months years mine luckily hasn't had this problem meet you so we got a new VR release from the folks at ILM xlab okay the name I learned about a lot of VR news I'm not excited about this one this is project poured good alright so these are the little flying dudes from the last Jedi mm-hmm you see the movie ya know puffin based creatures right out of bed none ah you know I just I Star Wars they promote their animated characters I think like bb-8 and porks because they don't the pay any money like they don't the but by anyone's right our voices or likenesses this is just free if somebody wants to make a product they can use porks or bb-8 and get away with it already probably even Chewbacca and they're like done then just out the door r2d2 it's all free it's like these are characters that they own entirely that's what that's how I feel about it oh I see a different Lane I have no pride no love for ports I just think there's there's limited like permutations of what you can do with them so it's a simpler design like I can't do like project first order trooper without like having interactions with them in some way like a pork is just gonna like eat food and hang out with you it's like it's your Pokemon but you got it it's of town it's a tamagotchi yeah remember that yeah so this is that's exactly what it is it's uh it it is on magic leap right and it's you look into the world and you see app org and it has a baby and the baby hatches and you have a laser pointer and you can make it run around your room and you can give it food and you take care of it and you can just love your little pork it seems fine does it it's not great you're fine it you're right it seems fine I think it's like it's oddly we see there's not the first time we've seen an app that seems like it would be appealing to children but magically does not submit us to demoys yeah be used on children all right all right so I picked that one so you pick one that's going to be more suits more exciting the psvr will change dramatically is if story shared by norm and it's a non-story apparently Sean Laden he told Game Informer that the next 10 years of the psvr development will be dramatic and that is all there is to that story we don't know any details about why I suppose it's good that they're showing a commitment to VR beyond this life cycle that they see it as taking ten years to become interesting that's the long game is fine I think what are we like two or three years away from a new console PS five how far away it can only be from that because it feels like we're mid generation yeah with ps4 if not later than that that's when it gets interesting because does that mean that's the point we're gonna get new psvr hardware right yeah that would be great too I mean if it really was not part of the ground-up PS 5 that would be great yeah then you have all sorts of thing you're gonna have a more powerful system ground up building then I think and then you're also getting a whole slew of people coming to buy the console from the ground up - yeah so you might as well have this so your adoption rates can go through the roof Sean Laden is the chairman of of s IE worldwide he's a guy you see do all of the announcements at e3 what else we got we got some more to that stories we met lar from a young heart dammit L released an AR M that's a pictionary game tell me about it they're basically I can't believe I'm talking about this story did you read it I did but tell me about it but basically you know you played pictionary before I love pictionary well now Mattel has a a are app that as your that you can draw in the air and it'll render on like a tablet or phone that's like looking at you as to the drawings that are being created that's interesting yeah it's super interesting so it's called pictionary err so instead of drawing on a physical thing you're just drawing into the space I wonder how that feels to the drawer they actually have like a specialized pen that's like a light pen it's weird so that the drawer can't see the drawing but everyone else can exactly I love it this is a really good idea uh yeah I don't know because like isn't part of the experience of drawing and seeing what you've dread drawn already to guide you on what you draw next and of course it is but that's that's the comedy of this idea is that you can't and and there will be people with more imagination than others have you ever done like a time-lapse with a flashlight or a light stick to do a light light drawing yeah something like that like that's exactly the same thing except without the time-lapse although it it does take place over time yes and everyone else can see immediately so you will be getting live feedback from people whether or not you are being silly good or bad I'm a fan this is a good idea okay thanks for telling me about this so I assume it works on just any tablet like yeah I believe so it looks like they're using some kind of a tool to draw with Otis you have to download an app and then it like you you get a light pen that's what it's just literally like a stick with a light at the end I bet you could use it you could probably just use a flashlight or something yeah I mean it's probably picking up on the color yeah um for some reason but whatever more toy fair stuff and yeah I believe it is joyful thanks for letting me know about that really updates last story is just about the user created spaces and rift yeah so do you ever go to home no you have to sometimes yeah you put the rift on and suddenly it's it's been loading for a minute or two well why is it taking up ma my resources ah he loaded my home yeah thank you would you actually put in some time and effort into your home recently I didn't visit you told me about you know I did I went through a couple days where I was like fine let's do this let's see what this is all about and I decorated my space I'm happy with it I've done a better job than in you or norm so I've accomplished what I set out to do now you don't just have to deal you don't just have to place objects that you are given or choose can you choose you can choose out exterior environments prior to this but I don't think you could choose more than one interior environment now they're giving you a few new interior environments to choose from and they're saying they have rolled out the ability to in import your own models so if you'd liked him should I do this is it worth doing I'll enjoy your home this is a weird thing like I I'm I think it's a word the experiment I don't think that it should be something that you're forced into you should know shouldn't I wear shoes to go there the idea of it being multi-user is very interesting because that's right up there and the ready player one you know imagination and the fact that you can now do user-generated content I think it's all heading in the right direction I just don't think they should force you into it we got to make the test at office as one of as Norm's home it's a great idea for Adams cave yeah oh well that would be amazing that would actually be like something super cool yeah but that's like a project he has a few things in that cave would take a little while recreate yes no absolutely but like but what I see is something more like rec room like I think oculus needs a better hub that is social and multiplayer that isn't something that you're just like relegated to that is your your space I totally hear you like I get that it's more like the how much time do I want to invest in yeah in actually customizing the space do you late and just really seeing if it was enjoyable or not well record centered a lot of success with that they had a lot of maker tools that you can design with and they're actually in some ways very limited but that doesn't stop people from trying and reproducing in fact having a real card having it being limited is actually a benefit I feel like yeah you go sister well that's about gonna do it for us this week we did it on a duo cast the greatest podcast of all time I think so yeah I mean at least in terms of podcast I've done today this is the greatest one huh but still early thank you for joining us Jeremy where are you gonna be next week are you gonna be roaming the the floors of the GDC no it's not next week to week so we got a couple weeks before that a couple weeks that's what I meant we I am going to GDC and we will be reporting on all things oculus I know it was leaked that oculus is doing an event prior to GDC and I will be attending that and I'm excited about all things VR at GDC cam so if you see Jeremy say hello yes I love saying hello and next week is my birthday so are we gonna have a podcast on your birthday it is podcast day so I don't know if I'm gonna be busy that day or not you should be yeah I hope you are a post or your benefit you're busy normal be back next week yep I think there's a lot of cool stuff on this on the site right now there's more of the of Adams build with Terry English that's up on the site and a ton of their content too that's nice of you to think about promoting testings content I am a member you are a team member no no I'm actually a member of the site I love the site for luck I thought that was a note there's no I in team pen thing no that's not true there is an eye in Kishor that'll do it for us see you next week do we have an outro we do these were these come via email in which actually the the proper way to submit outros is to the forum the untested comm if you just google test it outro you'll find a very long thread post it in there that but I was forwarded these and we will try one here we are and I will first unmute and then hit the play button hey so I did my Alamo Drafthouse movie night last night what movie was a gravity no yeah beautiful on mute I love that movie on mute and they showed a preview for an Apollo 11 documentary in 70 millimeter just stunning we have to all go see it what do you mean they showed a preview they like a preview before the movie movie previous they showed a preview for a movie coming out I had never heard it because it's the 50th anniversary this year they're releasing all this documentary footage in 70 mil it was stunning it was it was at like blew my mind wow I like walked up on stage and didn't know what to say because that was the last preview I wanna it's just called up how 11:2 gonna go see it I would like to see that movie you know see you next week bye\n"