The Epic Games vs Apple Debate: A Deep Dive

As we dive into the world of technology and gaming, it's easy to get caught up in the latest trends and controversies. One such debate that has been making headlines is the dispute between Epic Games, the developer of Fortnite, and Apple, the tech giant. This article will explore the intricacies of this debate, highlighting the key points, strategies, and implications of the controversy.

Fortnite on Mac: A Tale of Two Platforms

The issue began when Epic Games implemented a direct payment system for its popular game Fortnite. This move was met with resistance from Apple, which refused to allow the system on its platform. While Epic Games claims that this decision was unfair, others argue that it's a legitimate business model. However, even if you have a powerful Mac that can play Fortnite on Windows on Mac OS, using the exact same hardware, it still suffers from random freezes and frame drops, making it unplayable.

The Role of Apple in the Debate

Apple played a significant role in this controversy, as they refused to allow Epic Games' direct payment system on their platform. This move was seen as a major blow to the game's popularity, especially among Mac users. However, if you're enjoying this video and want to see more in-depth tech videos like this one, hopefully, is then uh definitely subscribe you know it's free so shortly after Fortnite got banned by apple guess what google banned it as well.

Google and Its Role in the Debate

In a surprising move, Google also removed Fortnite from its Play Store, citing concerns over the direct payment system. Epic Games had implemented this system to bypass Apple's 30% commission fee on game sales. However, Google's decision was seen as a preemptive strike against Epic Games, as it would have been difficult for the company to compete with Google's own third-party store.

Apple Gives Epic Games a Deadline

In response to Google's ban, Apple gave Epic Games an ultimatum: update Fortnite to remove its direct payment system by August 27 or face the consequences. This deadline was seen as a significant threat to the game's future on Apple devices. However, Epic Games refused to back down, and the company's CEO, Tim Sweeney, has since released several anti-Apple videos, mocking the tech giant for its actions.

The Unreal Engine Ban: A Major Blow

One of the most significant consequences of this controversy was the ban on Epic Games' use of Apple's Unreal Engine software. The Unreal Engine is a popular game development platform used by many developers, and its ban would have had far-reaching implications. However, the judge ultimately ruled that the ban was unfair and lifted it.

The Current State of Fortnite

As of now, Fortnite remains blocked from Apple devices unless Epic Games updates the game to remove its direct payment system. The game's player base is still affected by this decision, as players are unable to download or update the game on Apple devices. Additionally, all in-app purchases have been removed, and the game is stuck at the pre-season 4 update.

Apple's Response

In response to Epic Games' criticism, Apple has started promoting PUBG on its front page. This move was seen as a way for Apple to counter Epic Games' anti-Apple marketing campaign. However, this decision has also been met with criticism from some quarters, who argue that it's an unfair attempt to sway the public.

The Future of Fortnite and Epic Games

In the end, it's clear that the player base is the most affected by this controversy. However, Epic Games seems determined to continue its stance against Apple, despite the potential financial implications. The company has released several anti-Apple videos, mocking the tech giant for its actions. While some have praised these efforts as a way to rally support among Fortnite players, others have criticized them as unprofessional.

In conclusion, the Epic Games vs Apple debate is complex and multifaceted. Both sides have valid arguments, but ultimately, the player base is the one that's most affected by this controversy. As we move forward, it will be interesting to see how this saga unfolds and what implications it has for the gaming industry as a whole.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enapple versus epic games the developers of fortnite you're probably aware that there's a massive dispute ongoing where not only has epic sued apple but apple has now removed fortnite from the app store so i wanted to cover this topic for so so long now i've been on holiday for a week and i was really busy last week but now that i'm fully fully back i wanted to give you guys the full story and everything you need to know when it comes to probably one of the biggest battles between two tech companies so ghetto snacks ready sit back relax and enjoy okay so in case you've been following me on twitter adsense tech you probably know that i'm kinda on apple's side here so for the sake of this video being as unbiased as possible i'm going to split it into four different sections epic side apple side my thoughts and then finally what's happening in the present day starting off with epic side epic games are now one of the biggest game development companies in the entire world mostly thanks to their very popular game you know fortnite but they were not always like that whilst they were known for the very first three gears of war games epic games was mostly known for the unreal engine unreal engine was not a game but rather a game engine that developers could use in order to develop their games easier and faster now i have used game engines before mostly unity i have played around with unreal engine as well for a tiny bit but long story short unity was originally aimed at mobile games while unreal engine was pretty much the most popular and the most advanced engine if you wanted to build some aaa open world games for pc and console and developers have been using unreal engine since it came out in 2001 and games such as the tom clancy series the batman arkham series borderlands fable the mass effect series medal of honor all the recent mortal kombat games darksiders and dozens of popular games and series were all made using epic games unreal engine but then in 2017 something happened epic games had this game called fortnite in the works and at a time this was just a co-op rpg shooting game but after epic saw how successful and popular pubg's battle royale mode actually was they decided to add battle royale in fortnite as well and release the game with save the world which was the original game mode as a beta game that was still in development which you have to pay for and fortnite battle royale was actually free it was a fully free to play game and save the world was only released as a full game three years later in june 2020. fun fact the battle royale mode in fortnite was actually so easy to make and so simple that it took epic games just two months to build whereas save the world was a development for many years prior to 2017. as you probably all know fortnite battle royale ended up being a worldwide success and overtook pubg quite fast the main reason for being so successful was that you could play it on literally any platform from playstation to xbox to pc mac and even ios and android fortnite was basically everywhere unfortunately it wasn't going that well for pubg who ended up even suing epic games for copying their battle royale idea even though it was actually minecraft that first introduced the battle royale genre thanks to a mod followed by an arma 2 mod in daisy and fun fact the japanese movie called battle royale from the year 2000 which was based on the 1999 novel by caution takami was the very first to introduce the battle royal concept yes this was even before the hunger games anyways i hope that this gives you a bit more insight into epic games as a company they're really more like a game engine company that then became massive thanks to fortnite now earlier this month epic games launched a silent update to fortnite on ios where they purposely introduced a direct payment system meaning that users could pay epic games directly rather than money going through apple first which would take a 30 cuts now i'll cover why apple takes 30 cuts when i'm covering the apple side um but essentially epic games were not okay with apple taking a 30 cut of their revenue so they wanted to avoid paying that i mean it makes sense right 30 is quite significant now unfortunately avoiding 30 cut was against apple's uh absolute policies so apple took down fortnite uh until they fixed the issue and as soon as apple did that epic games had this massive lawsuit ready and they sued apple and even released a full on anti-apple video and even a hashtag free four night tournaments in you know four nights where you could get this pretty cool looking evil apple skin and they had all this ready on the spot so it was pretty clear that they've been preparing for this for quite some time now and intentionally wanted to get banned by apple in order for apple to decrease or even drop that 30 feet entirely and again that makes a lot of sense four knights made guess how much 1.8 billion dollars in 2019 alone billion not million in 2019 alone which makes this the most successful game of 2019 and also one of the most successful games ever in history now epic games doesn't really share how many players they have on ios and all the other platforms but let's say if we estimate this as 10 of the total player base then apple would have taken 54 million dollars in commission and i'm pretty sure um ios and mac os and ipad os player base i think it's quite a bit larger than just 10 percent this is why epic games wants that commission to be decreased or even dropped they obviously want more profits like any other company but according to them the users would also benefit by the fact that the prices would be lowered when epic games introduced a direct payment method in fortnite the prices were two dollars less however epic was still charging one dollar more than the revenue that they were making after apple's cut so they were still making more money this way than by going the apple routes sim sweeney the ceo founder and also the prime shareholder of epic games actually sends an email to tim cook phil schiller as well as craig federighi and matt on june the 30th telling them that epic is unable to provide consumers with certain features in their ios apps and they requested the following number one allow epic games to have a direct payment method without apple taking that thirty percent cut and number two allow epic games to launch their own epic games app store on ios to compete with apple's own app store now these were some really big requests but i do see where epic's coming from they say that there are no other options on ios for game developers other than going through apple's system apple's calling apple a monopoly and they want others to be able to compete with apple's own app store on apple's own devices epic games stated that on android you can indeed load apps so you can have a separate store that competes with google's own play store which epic games does actually have but on ios you cannot have another store other than the app store well technically you can have cydia but i'm let's leave that out yeah you have to yeah let's leave it out but yeah officially just the app store now on august 13th the day fortnite launched a new direct payment method tim sweeney the ceo of epic games emailed apple once again basically making them aware that they will be launching this update today and if they do get their game blocked they will be following the legal path in getting this sorted there you go this is pretty much what epic wants this is their side of the story okay so what about apple's side on this well apple doesn't take a 30 commission but they do take this from every single developer on the app store not just epic apple's argument is that they created the iphone they created ios and they also created the app store the world's very first global app store on a mobile device and for that 30 cut apples giving developers number one exposure to literally billions of apple users number two hosting services on apple's app store and on apple servers number three tools to build their app such as xcode number four a programming language that apple developed just for you know ios development swift the developers can use number five access to thousands of guides and tutorials and help number six wwc which is literally an event just for developers that hosts an entire week full of workshops and tutorials for developers so that they can use those to update their apps and get those ready in time for the big ios release the next version of ios and on top of that apple's also manually verifying every single app that goes into the app store for not just malware but also performance issues and ui design just to make sure that everything is consistent and high quality all across the board and for everything that apple does they feel like they do deserve that 30 percent cut it would not be fair for apple to have to fund the app store through let's say airpod sales rather than you know directly through the app store's revenue okay now when it comes to epic's second request releasing a competing app store apple's argument is that they of course build the iphone as well as ios in order to maintain the high quality and security that they praise themselves for they need this to be their whole system really reason why we only have apple's app store on ios okay so what are my thoughts on all of this so when it comes to that 30 commission epic games first issue i'm sort of like in the middle here so i don't agree with epic where they basically want this fee removed as apple's clearly providing a ton in return for that 30 commission but then at the same time i don't agree with apple uh here either at 30 is indeed quite a large chunk you see when steve jobs introduced the app store back 2008 to the iphone 3g this is what he had to say we keep 30 to pay for running the app store so initially the 30 cut was only there in order to help apple run the servers but in 2008 apple was only worth 75 billion dollars today apple is worth more than two trillion dollars like that's an astronomical growth in just 12 years thanks tim no honestly that's literally tim's doing now fun fact apple's entire app store in 2019 alone made over 50 billion dollars in revenue so in a single year that 30 commission that apple takes made almost as much money as apple was worth entirely back in 2008 as a company when the app store was launched this apple needs that 50 billion dollars in revenue when they have two trillion dollars probably not however i'm not saying that apple should drop the commission entirely as i still believe that they do deserve to charge some sort of commission from developers and again like i said you know it wouldn't be fair for apple to keep or maintain the app store using the airpods or something revenue you know that revenue needs to come ideally as a company using that service or using that fraction of the company if you know what i mean but i still think that 30 is too much i would say that 15 would be fair and anything lower than that that would be deeply appreciated and it would be you know beneficial to developers and to some extent to the consumers as well now the thing is apple isn't the only one to take a commission google is also taking a commission the playstation store is also taking one the xbox game store samsung's galaxy store the nintendo eshop steam as well as physical stores such as gamestop amazon best buy walmart and so so many more they all take a commission if you want to sell your product through them and take a guess what percentage all these companies charge as commission that's right it's 30 they all charge 30 probably because apple was you know the first one to have like a digital store uh as big as the app store and they had 30 it's probably because of that um but yeah the idea here is that no matter where you sell your product you have to pay a 30 commission there are only two exceptions to this so the first one being microsoft microsoft store on windows only so not on xbox which has recently dropped the commission to only five percent and then the epic game store which is charging 12 other than that everyone else is charging 30 so i do hope that apple drops this to 15 or you know or so um as that way all the other stores will likely follow suit and drop the commission as well in order to stay competitive fun fact youtube actually takes a 45 commission which i think is just gigantic but i am happy to give youtube that big of a share because without youtube i wouldn't even have that income home in the first place and it's the same thing with the commission uh that these stores charge without any of these stores you wouldn't have any audience and if you do your audience would be just a fraction of what it could be otherwise now something that i really want to mention here regarding this commission is that there are a few stores that do make some exceptions to a few users which i think is really messed up so samsung's galaxy app store they actually do take a 30 commission but you can actually cut a deal with samsung if you're big enough and there are some reports that epic games has actually struck a zero percent commission deal with samsung which i think is again really messed up considering that you need to be pretty big to strike that deal and speaking of that apparently apple has also struck a deal with amazon where apple was not taking the 30 commission on movies bought by users who already had an amazon prime membership so only new prime members would trigger apple's 30 commission so yeah i think that these two cases are really messed up um i think no store should make any exceptions whatsoever you know that's the deal you can't make that's the rule 30 you can't make any special deals or anything like that now when it comes to epic games is second request their own epic game store on ios i personally don't agree with that at all it's apple's own platform why would they allow a competing store on it not even to mention the fact that this will affect the quality and security of the apps available the playstation doesn't have an alternative to the playstation store the xbox doesn't have an alternative to microsoft's xbox store either so why should ios have one epic's argument here is that you can indeed install a third-party store on android but you cannot do it on ios at all but even with this argument site loading isn't something that the average user would be aware of and you know something that the average user could actually do epic already has a game store on android but it wasn't doing so well and they decided to move to the play store but not before suing google as well in order to avoid google's 30 cut obviously that lawsuit didn't go well and they ended up staying on the play store in the end and just you know accepting that 30 cuts now one counter argument to this would be why do we have the epic game store on mac os right we actually do have it on macos but not on ios and i think that's a really good point thank you well me i'm actually debating myself here mac os doesn't have as many limitations as ios does but at the same time take a look at the quality of apps in the epic game store or even steam for mac versus the apps that we get in the app store all the app store games they use metal they run very smooth they're also very well optimized whereas fortnite on mac for example even if you have a very powerful mac that can play it really well on windows on mac os on the exact same hardware it has random freezes and many frame drops that pretty much makes it unplayable still apple made the entire platform from the hardware to the software and if they don't want to compromise on the quality and security of their app library i do support that entirely okay so now that i've covered both sides plus my thoughts what is the status of this as of right now by the way if you are enjoying this video and if you want to see more in-depth tech videos like this one hopefully is then uh definitely subscribe you know it's free so shortly after fortnite got banned by apple guess what google banned it as well as fortnite had implemented that direct payment system on the play store as well and google has also removed it and epic games basically had a lawsuit ready for google as well just minutes after the ban so everything was carefully planned but they haven't targeted google as much as they did apple mostly because they do have their own third party store on android only that it's far more difficult to access than compared to google's own play store apple then gave epic games a deadline until august 27 to release an update to their game to fix that direct payment issue or apple would close epic games developer account essentially taking all of their games and products of the app store luckily epic doesn't have loads of games it's just fortnite and infinity blade but i do have the unreal engine if you guys remember that from earlier in this video and what this band meant was that apple was planning to revoke epic's unreal engine license on all of apple's products meaning that no developer could use unreal engine at all so all of any third-party games that use a real engine that i've listed before and more they would be banned on any apple devices and developers would not be able to update or even develop new games using the unreal engine on apple hardware which i think is really really messed up so i was against this really against this from the moment i've heard about it third-party developers should not be affected by this whole apple versus epic dispute at all anyways apple and epic had a court hearing which obviously epic requested an emergency hearing and the judge basically ruled the unreal engine ban to be completely unfair as it was so they forbid apple from doing it but they did give apple the green light to keep fortnite off their platform if fortnite doesn't want to follow apple's rules and pay that 30 cut the lawsuit is still ongoing and looks like it might even take a few years to get it fully sorted yeah got a lot of lawsuits so in the meantime epic games released a few more anti-apple videos just mocking apple and trying to rally their fortnite community against them i personally think that's messed up and completely unprofessional so i'm not okay with mockery of any sorts in the meantime apple's keeping fortnite blocked until epic updates the game so i think it's good that apple is still leaving door open for epic to return when they want to return now the game is still playable if you have it installed but you would not be able to download it again if you do not have it installed and if you open up the game you'll notice that all the in-app purchases are gone the battle pass is also gone as well and the game itself is stuck to the pre-season 4 update also apple has now started promoting pub g on the front page of the app store probably in response to epic mocking apple so much and i think you know i think that's a really good response um yeah in the end i really i really do think that it sucks the most for the player base like the player base is really the one that's affected the most and epic games you know they could stop this at any time they want really uh but they're not stopping and this is affecting the player base quite badly but honestly i don't think epic games is going to drop this i think they're just going to keep this going just to paint apple in a bad way and if apple drops the commission then you know that would be great or even lower that would be awesome as other stores will drop it as well if they don't then epic games made a massive mistake as they you know will likely be losing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue over the years but yeah let me know comments your thoughts on everything that i covered are you team epic games or are you team apple and why if you subscribe hit the bell icon if you have enjoyed this video and you want to see more in the tech videos like this one hopefully was become a member to support a channel and yes has been pretty much it so thank you for watching i'm daniel this has been inside of tech and i'll see you guys in the next one of thanks youapple versus epic games the developers of fortnite you're probably aware that there's a massive dispute ongoing where not only has epic sued apple but apple has now removed fortnite from the app store so i wanted to cover this topic for so so long now i've been on holiday for a week and i was really busy last week but now that i'm fully fully back i wanted to give you guys the full story and everything you need to know when it comes to probably one of the biggest battles between two tech companies so ghetto snacks ready sit back relax and enjoy okay so in case you've been following me on twitter adsense tech you probably know that i'm kinda on apple's side here so for the sake of this video being as unbiased as possible i'm going to split it into four different sections epic side apple side my thoughts and then finally what's happening in the present day starting off with epic side epic games are now one of the biggest game development companies in the entire world mostly thanks to their very popular game you know fortnite but they were not always like that whilst they were known for the very first three gears of war games epic games was mostly known for the unreal engine unreal engine was not a game but rather a game engine that developers could use in order to develop their games easier and faster now i have used game engines before mostly unity i have played around with unreal engine as well for a tiny bit but long story short unity was originally aimed at mobile games while unreal engine was pretty much the most popular and the most advanced engine if you wanted to build some aaa open world games for pc and console and developers have been using unreal engine since it came out in 2001 and games such as the tom clancy series the batman arkham series borderlands fable the mass effect series medal of honor all the recent mortal kombat games darksiders and dozens of popular games and series were all made using epic games unreal engine but then in 2017 something happened epic games had this game called fortnite in the works and at a time this was just a co-op rpg shooting game but after epic saw how successful and popular pubg's battle royale mode actually was they decided to add battle royale in fortnite as well and release the game with save the world which was the original game mode as a beta game that was still in development which you have to pay for and fortnite battle royale was actually free it was a fully free to play game and save the world was only released as a full game three years later in june 2020. fun fact the battle royale mode in fortnite was actually so easy to make and so simple that it took epic games just two months to build whereas save the world was a development for many years prior to 2017. as you probably all know fortnite battle royale ended up being a worldwide success and overtook pubg quite fast the main reason for being so successful was that you could play it on literally any platform from playstation to xbox to pc mac and even ios and android fortnite was basically everywhere unfortunately it wasn't going that well for pubg who ended up even suing epic games for copying their battle royale idea even though it was actually minecraft that first introduced the battle royale genre thanks to a mod followed by an arma 2 mod in daisy and fun fact the japanese movie called battle royale from the year 2000 which was based on the 1999 novel by caution takami was the very first to introduce the battle royal concept yes this was even before the hunger games anyways i hope that this gives you a bit more insight into epic games as a company they're really more like a game engine company that then became massive thanks to fortnite now earlier this month epic games launched a silent update to fortnite on ios where they purposely introduced a direct payment system meaning that users could pay epic games directly rather than money going through apple first which would take a 30 cuts now i'll cover why apple takes 30 cuts when i'm covering the apple side um but essentially epic games were not okay with apple taking a 30 cut of their revenue so they wanted to avoid paying that i mean it makes sense right 30 is quite significant now unfortunately avoiding 30 cut was against apple's uh absolute policies so apple took down fortnite uh until they fixed the issue and as soon as apple did that epic games had this massive lawsuit ready and they sued apple and even released a full on anti-apple video and even a hashtag free four night tournaments in you know four nights where you could get this pretty cool looking evil apple skin and they had all this ready on the spot so it was pretty clear that they've been preparing for this for quite some time now and intentionally wanted to get banned by apple in order for apple to decrease or even drop that 30 feet entirely and again that makes a lot of sense four knights made guess how much 1.8 billion dollars in 2019 alone billion not million in 2019 alone which makes this the most successful game of 2019 and also one of the most successful games ever in history now epic games doesn't really share how many players they have on ios and all the other platforms but let's say if we estimate this as 10 of the total player base then apple would have taken 54 million dollars in commission and i'm pretty sure um ios and mac os and ipad os player base i think it's quite a bit larger than just 10 percent this is why epic games wants that commission to be decreased or even dropped they obviously want more profits like any other company but according to them the users would also benefit by the fact that the prices would be lowered when epic games introduced a direct payment method in fortnite the prices were two dollars less however epic was still charging one dollar more than the revenue that they were making after apple's cut so they were still making more money this way than by going the apple routes sim sweeney the ceo founder and also the prime shareholder of epic games actually sends an email to tim cook phil schiller as well as craig federighi and matt on june the 30th telling them that epic is unable to provide consumers with certain features in their ios apps and they requested the following number one allow epic games to have a direct payment method without apple taking that thirty percent cut and number two allow epic games to launch their own epic games app store on ios to compete with apple's own app store now these were some really big requests but i do see where epic's coming from they say that there are no other options on ios for game developers other than going through apple's system apple's calling apple a monopoly and they want others to be able to compete with apple's own app store on apple's own devices epic games stated that on android you can indeed load apps so you can have a separate store that competes with google's own play store which epic games does actually have but on ios you cannot have another store other than the app store well technically you can have cydia but i'm let's leave that out yeah you have to yeah let's leave it out but yeah officially just the app store now on august 13th the day fortnite launched a new direct payment method tim sweeney the ceo of epic games emailed apple once again basically making them aware that they will be launching this update today and if they do get their game blocked they will be following the legal path in getting this sorted there you go this is pretty much what epic wants this is their side of the story okay so what about apple's side on this well apple doesn't take a 30 commission but they do take this from every single developer on the app store not just epic apple's argument is that they created the iphone they created ios and they also created the app store the world's very first global app store on a mobile device and for that 30 cut apples giving developers number one exposure to literally billions of apple users number two hosting services on apple's app store and on apple servers number three tools to build their app such as xcode number four a programming language that apple developed just for you know ios development swift the developers can use number five access to thousands of guides and tutorials and help number six wwc which is literally an event just for developers that hosts an entire week full of workshops and tutorials for developers so that they can use those to update their apps and get those ready in time for the big ios release the next version of ios and on top of that apple's also manually verifying every single app that goes into the app store for not just malware but also performance issues and ui design just to make sure that everything is consistent and high quality all across the board and for everything that apple does they feel like they do deserve that 30 percent cut it would not be fair for apple to have to fund the app store through let's say airpod sales rather than you know directly through the app store's revenue okay now when it comes to epic's second request releasing a competing app store apple's argument is that they of course build the iphone as well as ios in order to maintain the high quality and security that they praise themselves for they need this to be their whole system really reason why we only have apple's app store on ios okay so what are my thoughts on all of this so when it comes to that 30 commission epic games first issue i'm sort of like in the middle here so i don't agree with epic where they basically want this fee removed as apple's clearly providing a ton in return for that 30 commission but then at the same time i don't agree with apple uh here either at 30 is indeed quite a large chunk you see when steve jobs introduced the app store back 2008 to the iphone 3g this is what he had to say we keep 30 to pay for running the app store so initially the 30 cut was only there in order to help apple run the servers but in 2008 apple was only worth 75 billion dollars today apple is worth more than two trillion dollars like that's an astronomical growth in just 12 years thanks tim no honestly that's literally tim's doing now fun fact apple's entire app store in 2019 alone made over 50 billion dollars in revenue so in a single year that 30 commission that apple takes made almost as much money as apple was worth entirely back in 2008 as a company when the app store was launched this apple needs that 50 billion dollars in revenue when they have two trillion dollars probably not however i'm not saying that apple should drop the commission entirely as i still believe that they do deserve to charge some sort of commission from developers and again like i said you know it wouldn't be fair for apple to keep or maintain the app store using the airpods or something revenue you know that revenue needs to come ideally as a company using that service or using that fraction of the company if you know what i mean but i still think that 30 is too much i would say that 15 would be fair and anything lower than that that would be deeply appreciated and it would be you know beneficial to developers and to some extent to the consumers as well now the thing is apple isn't the only one to take a commission google is also taking a commission the playstation store is also taking one the xbox game store samsung's galaxy store the nintendo eshop steam as well as physical stores such as gamestop amazon best buy walmart and so so many more they all take a commission if you want to sell your product through them and take a guess what percentage all these companies charge as commission that's right it's 30 they all charge 30 probably because apple was you know the first one to have like a digital store uh as big as the app store and they had 30 it's probably because of that um but yeah the idea here is that no matter where you sell your product you have to pay a 30 commission there are only two exceptions to this so the first one being microsoft microsoft store on windows only so not on xbox which has recently dropped the commission to only five percent and then the epic game store which is charging 12 other than that everyone else is charging 30 so i do hope that apple drops this to 15 or you know or so um as that way all the other stores will likely follow suit and drop the commission as well in order to stay competitive fun fact youtube actually takes a 45 commission which i think is just gigantic but i am happy to give youtube that big of a share because without youtube i wouldn't even have that income home in the first place and it's the same thing with the commission uh that these stores charge without any of these stores you wouldn't have any audience and if you do your audience would be just a fraction of what it could be otherwise now something that i really want to mention here regarding this commission is that there are a few stores that do make some exceptions to a few users which i think is really messed up so samsung's galaxy app store they actually do take a 30 commission but you can actually cut a deal with samsung if you're big enough and there are some reports that epic games has actually struck a zero percent commission deal with samsung which i think is again really messed up considering that you need to be pretty big to strike that deal and speaking of that apparently apple has also struck a deal with amazon where apple was not taking the 30 commission on movies bought by users who already had an amazon prime membership so only new prime members would trigger apple's 30 commission so yeah i think that these two cases are really messed up um i think no store should make any exceptions whatsoever you know that's the deal you can't make that's the rule 30 you can't make any special deals or anything like that now when it comes to epic games is second request their own epic game store on ios i personally don't agree with that at all it's apple's own platform why would they allow a competing store on it not even to mention the fact that this will affect the quality and security of the apps available the playstation doesn't have an alternative to the playstation store the xbox doesn't have an alternative to microsoft's xbox store either so why should ios have one epic's argument here is that you can indeed install a third-party store on android but you cannot do it on ios at all but even with this argument site loading isn't something that the average user would be aware of and you know something that the average user could actually do epic already has a game store on android but it wasn't doing so well and they decided to move to the play store but not before suing google as well in order to avoid google's 30 cut obviously that lawsuit didn't go well and they ended up staying on the play store in the end and just you know accepting that 30 cuts now one counter argument to this would be why do we have the epic game store on mac os right we actually do have it on macos but not on ios and i think that's a really good point thank you well me i'm actually debating myself here mac os doesn't have as many limitations as ios does but at the same time take a look at the quality of apps in the epic game store or even steam for mac versus the apps that we get in the app store all the app store games they use metal they run very smooth they're also very well optimized whereas fortnite on mac for example even if you have a very powerful mac that can play it really well on windows on mac os on the exact same hardware it has random freezes and many frame drops that pretty much makes it unplayable still apple made the entire platform from the hardware to the software and if they don't want to compromise on the quality and security of their app library i do support that entirely okay so now that i've covered both sides plus my thoughts what is the status of this as of right now by the way if you are enjoying this video and if you want to see more in-depth tech videos like this one hopefully is then uh definitely subscribe you know it's free so shortly after fortnite got banned by apple guess what google banned it as well as fortnite had implemented that direct payment system on the play store as well and google has also removed it and epic games basically had a lawsuit ready for google as well just minutes after the ban so everything was carefully planned but they haven't targeted google as much as they did apple mostly because they do have their own third party store on android only that it's far more difficult to access than compared to google's own play store apple then gave epic games a deadline until august 27 to release an update to their game to fix that direct payment issue or apple would close epic games developer account essentially taking all of their games and products of the app store luckily epic doesn't have loads of games it's just fortnite and infinity blade but i do have the unreal engine if you guys remember that from earlier in this video and what this band meant was that apple was planning to revoke epic's unreal engine license on all of apple's products meaning that no developer could use unreal engine at all so all of any third-party games that use a real engine that i've listed before and more they would be banned on any apple devices and developers would not be able to update or even develop new games using the unreal engine on apple hardware which i think is really really messed up so i was against this really against this from the moment i've heard about it third-party developers should not be affected by this whole apple versus epic dispute at all anyways apple and epic had a court hearing which obviously epic requested an emergency hearing and the judge basically ruled the unreal engine ban to be completely unfair as it was so they forbid apple from doing it but they did give apple the green light to keep fortnite off their platform if fortnite doesn't want to follow apple's rules and pay that 30 cut the lawsuit is still ongoing and looks like it might even take a few years to get it fully sorted yeah got a lot of lawsuits so in the meantime epic games released a few more anti-apple videos just mocking apple and trying to rally their fortnite community against them i personally think that's messed up and completely unprofessional so i'm not okay with mockery of any sorts in the meantime apple's keeping fortnite blocked until epic updates the game so i think it's good that apple is still leaving door open for epic to return when they want to return now the game is still playable if you have it installed but you would not be able to download it again if you do not have it installed and if you open up the game you'll notice that all the in-app purchases are gone the battle pass is also gone as well and the game itself is stuck to the pre-season 4 update also apple has now started promoting pub g on the front page of the app store probably in response to epic mocking apple so much and i think you know i think that's a really good response um yeah in the end i really i really do think that it sucks the most for the player base like the player base is really the one that's affected the most and epic games you know they could stop this at any time they want really uh but they're not stopping and this is affecting the player base quite badly but honestly i don't think epic games is going to drop this i think they're just going to keep this going just to paint apple in a bad way and if apple drops the commission then you know that would be great or even lower that would be awesome as other stores will drop it as well if they don't then epic games made a massive mistake as they you know will likely be losing hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue over the years but yeah let me know comments your thoughts on everything that i covered are you team epic games or are you team apple and why if you subscribe hit the bell icon if you have enjoyed this video and you want to see more in the tech videos like this one hopefully was become a member to support a channel and yes has been pretty much it so thank you for watching i'm daniel this has been inside of tech and i'll see you guys in the next one of thanks you\n"