The Art of Geeking Out: A Conversation with Dave and Pete

Before I begin, let me make one thing clear: I'm not a fan boy. I'm just someone who's excited to dive into some new technology. And today, we're going to be discussing Apple Watches. Yes, you heard that right – Apple Watches.

We're going to try out the new Apple Watch and see what makes it tick. As you know, my own Apple Watch series 2 is four years old, and about to die. It's starting to show its age, so we'll give these a try. I have to say, that's a pretty sad indictment though isn't it? If I spent the same amount of money on a decent watch, one that's made by a company like Seiko, who knows, maybe I could get a nice piece of engineering that lasts for 20 years and doesn't need updating. It definitely is.

I'm interested to have a look at the development opportunities for the watch. I fancy having a little tinker with it, so if I ever get anywhere with that, then feature that on the channel. I've got a couple of ideas for apps, so I wanted to have a go at that. So, that's the main reason why I'm interested in the Apple Watch.

I'm going to do two reviews on the channel for Apple Watch. First, I'll be doing an unboxing when it arrives, and just my first impressions from the perspective of someone who's a techie but hasn't had an Apple Watch before. I hope that might make interesting viewing for some of you. Then, I'm going to invite Pete back to do a more in-depth review where he'll be able to answer some of the questions from his own experience using it that I don't know the answers to.

Two videos are coming on Apple Watch on Constant Geekery. Pete's channel will feature a more in-depth review particularly on the health features of the watch. So, I'll do an unboxing and my thoughts on going from a series 2 which I haven't felt the need to upgrade for four years. And, I'm to be honest with you, I wouldn't probably be doing it now if it wasn't for the fact that my series 2 is just starting to show me some of the issues like battery life not lasting as long as it needs to.

I'll basically be looking at the fitness plus service and see how much video content we can get out of it for the fitness side of things. And, have a few laughs along the way. I look forward to that. I mean, obviously, I'll be helping you produce some of that. I'm sure Pete will be too.

We should probably wrap this up. We were originally going to do 30 minutes, but I reckon we've gone over that already. Hopefully, it's been more engaging or less underwhelming. And, don't worry if you missed anything – we'll put chapter markers in so people can skip sections if they don't want to watch the whole thing.

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We're struggling to come up with a name for this new channel – so if you've got any bright ideas, then by all means, we'd welcome them because yeah, we're fresh out of ideas. So, that's it. Thank you very much for watching. I have to say, really appreciate the support that we receive for the channel. Love reading your comments and suggestions and ideas – that's always great to interact with you guys.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enso uh apple's special event has just finished and uh pete and i have got some thoughts on what was featured uh we're using this event for a pilot episode of our new podcast and this is a new format that we're just uh trying out if it's successful then we're going to start a regular podcast on itunes and all the usual platforms spotify yeah that's it but we're also going to film episodes for youtube as well so hope you enjoy it uh here's what we thought about the apple special event and uh we're going to start just with the rumors pete and the build-up for this yeah there were there were a lot of rumors which we we kind of outlined in the video yesterday didn't we um so we weren't i mean everybody in the build-up that uh obviously we watched a few of the live streams and it seems that everyone was very sure that we weren't getting iphone 12 and uh spoiler alert no iphone 12 so they were right they were right yeah um we weren't sure whether that would be the case we didn't see why apple wouldn't release it but bear in mind we were basing this on the fact that the apple event when you went to the website and booked it out yeah you got a calendar you got a two-hour slot so the event was an hour yeah i feel a bit cheated i could have you know done something else with that other hour but it was booked out so what are you gonna do what are you gonna do so uh there's no iphone 12 in fact i think let's just let's just put it out there straight away it's all about apple watch and ipad and i think it's fair to say there's some there's some interesting things in there but our general feeling is it uh underwhelmed i would say i i it felt you know when you get to the end of a packet of butter and you you want to make yourself a better toast and you think ah i've only got a little bit of butter left and you think i'm gonna i'm gonna just get as much of that butter off the foil packet as i can and i'm just gonna spread it as thin as i can to try and accomplish something that's what today's event felt like for me it felt like a very long hour for essentially two products i know people will say oh yeah but there was there's multiple ipads in there but it did feel a little bit drawn out a little bit over hyped yeah well it always does doesn't it uh apple likes to wax lyrical a lot of use of terms like this is an essential product like you know if you if you don't have one then your life's not worth living yeah and how excited they are to get these products into customers hands and um the customers money into their bank account of course um yeah i mean there were some things that um you know tim started by talking about the apple watch the new or actually they started with with both segments about how the existing products have helped people and to be fair the apple watch does seem to have enriched people's lives that's the word they used uh and they they've cited things like the health tracking has been life-saving we had some examples of that someone with an elevated heart rate who went into septic shock but the the watch had warned them of that and they they were on their way to hospital and it potentially saved their lives a blind man who relies on his apple watch now for his day-to-day life an athlete with type 1 diabetes and a guy who had high blood pressure and hypertension and thousands of dollars worth of expensive medication that he was able to get rid of because he his apple watch helped him to get in shape and i think that's a really important thing is with with the health and fitness thing it's a motivator but the only person who's going to get you in shape ultimately or the only thing that's going to get you in shape is you yeah so obviously this is way more interesting for you than it is for me i almost fell asleep listening to you recite the experiences again um it's not that i've got anything against fitness per se and maybe we'll come back to that in a moment but let's talk watch os seven yep because that's where they they really started actually they mentioned also healthcare institutions are using watch data and i think that's that's a good thing you know it helps to improve healthcare that's fine um yeah those are laudable things and um there was a they mentioned mount sinai i don't know if that's hospital healthcare institution um that's obviously something in the us but uh they're using the existing watches to see possible indicators of covid19 but perhaps we can touch on that in a bit more detail a bit later but yeah watch out s7 yeah so i i come at this really from um you know the channel's constant geekery so i'm interested in the geeky techie stuff um i've never had an apple watch um i had a samsung smartwatch nobody wants it i actually thought it was really good in fact it did a lot of things that the apple watch didn't do for many years afterwards but then apple made out like they invented it but that's that's another video for another day um i do have a fitbit which i use for for sleep tracking don't you also use that for skin scouring i i do but again that's another video for another day the um yeah if you've got a fitbit don't keep it on all the time that's all i'm going to say on that yeah watch os 7 we saw this released to wwdc earlier this year so we kind of knew what was coming a new native sleep app um yeah nothing particularly nothing but groundbreaking sleep apps are available for the watch anyway it's just that this is being baked into the os so great so not so great if you're a developer of one of those sleep apps uh hand washing detection i think that's really useful because i quite often am washing my hands and don't even realize that i'm washing them so having my watch tell me that i am indeed washing my hands will be fantastic you joke but there are a lot of people who don't wash their hands for a long time and probably again another conversation for another video and probably another channel but there are a lot of blokes who certainly pre covered didn't wash their hands in gents public public gents toilets so i gotta tell you a story on this one go on so i i needed to go to the loo and uh i went to tesco which is if you're watching outside the uk it's a big supermarket um because i was in in the hope that the toilets would be cleaner if you're caught short you know when you need you need a longer time to do your your toilet if you if you know what it is i'm saying more of a download than the stream yeah anyway i go into the into the cubicle this this somebody came barging into the into the toilet like there was a big emergency going on i took the cubicle next to me and uh he he sort of chanted as he was going to the toilet i'm not going to repeat the word he was using but it was something get out get out oh dear like this and he even he finished his business i managed to not not laugh too much and um he left the the toilet without washing his hands and after all that after all that and this is not an unusual thing and i had a conversation with my wife about it and she said actually it's just as bad in the ladies really yeah so so people go to the toilet and they don't wash their hands i mean i i didn't even know that was a thing but apparently that is a thing that people would would go and deal with feces and not wash their hands i i it beggars belief but that's not what we're talking about what you were expecting on constant geekery today was it but uh no it's a valid point though about the hand washing detection sorry for the record though i just want to say i don't believe that apple watch is going to change that i i don't think that if somebody goes to the toilet and doesn't wash their hands they're going to suddenly start doing that because they're wearing apple watch unless it's got toilet detection as well no but for those who do already wash their hands or have got into that rather basic sanitary habit if it's detecting that you're washing your hands sometimes you know we're we're encouraged to sing a song maybe a couple of times that will help us with the 20 seconds of recommended time it's a convenient thing but just wash your hands properly you don't need an apple watch it seems a bit like the the kind of you know i bought a toothbrush i bought the best one i could afford because it was the the fastest spin um but it's also bluetooth i did try it it's a novelty in it and yeah blue tooth toothbrush bluetooth toothbrush it doesn't make your teeth blue but what what it does is it on your phone you can see how long you've been brushing for so basically the same thing that a conventional watch could achieve or clock indeed okay um but i i suspect it might be something like that that the novelty wears off anyway we've spent far too long on that so yes so just the other os seven headline feature was the vo2 max for measuring cardio fitness levels uh so i i haven't done particularly large amounts of research on that at the moment but it has it okay good it means nothing to me i'll be honest um so then we get to the to the new watch itself and um still has a crown it still has a crown you're disappointed by that well it was just one of the rumors that they might be dispensing with the digital crown to go for a touch id um smooth one which you know the apple watch i've got a series two as you might know um it has that crown on it and it does protrude so if you're doing something sporty or active there is a chance you could knock it which is true of any watch i suppose uh but getting rid of that would seem like a sensible thing for a watch that is very much geared at the health and fitness individual but it still has one so it basically looks like the old watch yeah it looks they didn't even say that it was particularly different they just said it had a beautiful design but it does come in more colors blue aluminium gold stainless steel black graphite and now product red i do like a bit of product red yeah i like that red color i don't think i'd wear it in a watch no i think i quite like the blue aluminium but with a watch like normally with a watch you you you choose something that's going to last for a long time don't you but obviously with a smart watch that's a different conversation and probably something for another day but the biggest feature was the as as expected the blood oxygen saturation level monitors okay so the so since we're on the geeking channel i'm sure you're going to go into detail in the fitness aspects of this and the medical aspects on on your channel pete but i was interested in the way that it does this so it fires red and infrared light um and then it uses that to measure the color of your blood and from that it determines how much oxygen is present in your blood yeah using an algorithm yeah which is pretty cool it is cool yeah so uh it is a big a big feature they were making a big thing about it um i suspect that means a lot to a lot of people i haven't needed to measure my blood o2 levels outside of the handful of occasions i've been in hospital yeah but then it was a nurse measuring them so i i don't know that i would ever need to measure it or is this something that's going to tell me something i didn't already know well we'll focus we'll keep it focused on tech as much as we can but i think it's one of those things just like the the erratic heartbeat stuff that they introduced on on the previous apple watch it just helps give it early indicators of a potential problem so yeah it's not something you think oh do you know i really need to unless you're like a high performance athlete or as you say you're in hospital it's not something you'd normally think about i'd better check that but having it could indicate along with the other things like your heart rhythm and your heart rate that kind of thing your overall health your overall fitness and potentially any problems and they mentioned some health studies around asthma heart failure cobit and flus in general using how using seeing how changes in blood oxygen saturation and heart rate can indicate early signals of these things or problems with these things so i think that's a good thing it's not like you say it's not something you've missed in your life but it could particularly with the current global pandemic be something of immense value to a lot of people if of course they have an apple watch yeah absolutely and i'm not belittling that at all just uh taking a light-hearted view of it of course i'm sure it will help many people and catching stuff early is a good thing let's move on though to looking at what powers the watch so we've got the new apple s6 chip and this is a dual core piece of custom apple silicon that's based on the a13 bionic that's right and i i wasn't sure whether it was 20 fast draw 26 faster than the previous chip which was the s5 in the apple watch series 5 but 20 something percent more so efficient if you're using an apple watch and you're you're thinking to yourself this really could do it being a bit faster then indeed the new apple watch is a bit faster it is a little bit faster the always on display is now two and a half times brighter yeah so that's good if you're out in sunshine i'd imagine although i've never had the apple what you tell me is it easy to read the face um i've got a series two so that is quite old now but um it can be a struggle in direct sunlight so two and a half times brighter than the previous watch which is probably brighter than my old series two yeah it's probably going to be useful and it says it's an energy efficient always on display the new s6 chip will be more energy efficient than the previous one so it's probably great yeah and we're going to talk about new chips a little bit later as well so the other thing that's always on is the altimeter so you can you can always see how high you are yeah which um you know is important to know how high you are um if you're hiking that's a relevant thing again it's a fitness thing to know how high you are it also has a relationship with blow oxygen because the higher you are your your blood oxygen saturation levels will decrease if you go higher because the air is thinner so again no panic if you're really really high up and it's it's lower you'd expect that good and uh some new face designs obviously the that's a key thing with with the watch so when you get a new apple watch you want to see something new on the screen something new and fresh so there are lots of new designs uh i don't know that we need to particularly go into them in detail was there any that caught your eye as a keem watch person um i'll be honest you see yeah this is a good point because i i prefer a traditional mechanical watch as you know um wearing a chronograph today so i'd be interested in a chronograph watch face i quite like the the tachymeter that they um they demonstrated yeah the chronograph pro face i think they call it okay i've got no interest in having mickey mouse tap his foot on my wrist um i can't imagine why anybody would want that but there we go horses and courses and all that and mice new tools for developers though with watch os 7 that allow them to create new watch faces that perhaps did things or do things sorry that they couldn't do before so yeah so examples of that they gave examples of watch faces for for surfers so um baking in some features of surf apps in terms of tide times and that kind of thing uh into into your watch face photography i thought that was an interesting one about the light so i i can't remember the name of the app they did that did cite the app but an app that can tell you what the lights looking like healthcare was the other one as well integrating with apps specific for those areas of interest or all disciplines so for healthcare professionals wasn't it yeah yeah so um some new faces and new tools to make new faces so that's really great and then they moved on to talking about the watch band itself something they called this solo loop watch band and they got terrifically excited about it and what it basically is isn't a stretchy silicone band that's available in a range of sizes you find the size that's about right and it stretches onto your wrist i guess you do have to also choose from one of the seven colors right and it is durable and swim proof but then so with the previous ones but i i guess it's it's one less thing to to break or get caught isn't it yeah for sure and also i actually thought it was interesting to to see it because i when i wear my fitbit because i've always got a mechanical watch on my left wrist and anybody who's a regular of the channel will now go through my videos and double check that but i can assure you i'm pretty much always i'm wearing a watch um so i always wore my fitbit on my right hand and i wore it with the screen on the inside so what i then have is a very ugly ugly belt buckle on there on the outside of my right hand so having if i was going to have an apple watch which indeed i am going to get one to review on the on the channel whether or not i actually wear it is another question but i think i would consider actually wearing it on my right hand if it was just a silicone band with no buckle no attachment no overlap yeah that would look quite neat and the watch face itself then is is on the underside of my wrist so so we approve of that yeah so it doesn't look like i'm pulling a shorts you remember that the american general when he wore two watches on on each one i don't remember not two watches on each rest he wore two watches one on each wrist during the um gulf war i i don't remember that but i remember general schwarzkopf but i don't remember him doing that i remember in the 80s there was there was a trend to have lots of swatch watches up your same wrist but that was before you were born so yeah i'm much much younger than you p you are indeed quite old thank you and there's also the same watch band available in like a threaded yeah braided they call it braided recycled yarn five colors um look quite nice did yeah so there's also leather bands again with some kind of new enclosure without a buckle on it yeah um there's apple watch nike bands and the new face for the apple watch so the same as apple watch nike bands um if you pronounce it that way i've always pronounced it nike and i shall continue to pronounce it nike okay we've got into trouble before from um ridiculing pronunciation on this channel so we'll uh we'll not go there and to finish off that there's of course the hermes new straps and face if you want to spend hundreds of pounds on a leather strap for your um and and the watch itself but again probably one probably one once we get the watches to talk about yeah for sure okay so moving on here is a an interesting new feature they call this family setup yep so this is where you don't have to have an iphone to pair the watch to so for your children or potentially an elderly relative you compare the watch to your phone for them yes caveat is that it needs to be a cellular enabled watch yes in order to do this but um there were some just quite cool features i can see this being useful you can specify who your children can contact on the watch yeah which is nice there's a gps location and you can set up alerts so if you've said to them you're not going to the park today you could set yourself up an alert and if they go to the park then you know you can issue a punishment or more positively if they do go to the park and that's where they should be and they stray outside of that then you will get an alert for that so potentially a way of safeguarding younger ones or indeed maybe older ones who've perhaps got alzheimer's yeah or starting to wander not really good that is actually a really sensible suggestion yeah if there are people with alzheimer's say that does happen so i can see that being a massive thing as long as they remember to put the watch on of course well i think the solar loop helps with that it's just very easy my mum's got chronic arthritis in her hand so being able to just slip it over the wrist rather than fiddle with a strap or a buckle or any kind of enclosure is great yeah absolutely uh there is a school time mode yes i really like that so one of the things um at the secondary school um that my child goes to what do we call that high school high school yet that my my 13 year old goes to is they can't have phones at all um but i can see an argument for having an apple watch so you have the school time mode whether you're working at home schooling or in school where it goes into kind of almost a do not disturb mode a lot of features are restricted and it's got a distinctive look so that teachers can see that it's in a particular mode so they're not going to say put that smart watch away naughty boy or girl so it had a had a face with with bright yellow yellow rings so easy for the teachers to see what's going on and also if you homeschool your children which obviously a lot of people are being enforced to do with the current pandemic or they may choose to we've done it in the past i know you you've done it um having times where where you can help your children to focus by not fiddling with a gadget that's a great idea but as you say they do need a carrier these when you're using this feature yeah and uh rather annoyingly the carrier that we happen to use for for our cellular phones here doesn't support apple watch but i suppose that doesn't prevent you from going with another carrier no um kids can create an emoji on their watch as well i'm sure that will please them yeah well adults can do it as well it's one of the new face options yeah so that is uh apple watch series six but there was another watch announced and that is watch se um this is a more affordable version at uh just 279. uh interesting point on prices uh i don't know if you've noticed this with advertising it's never 279. or let's be honest here 280. it's not you know let's not mess about uh they'll never say that what they'll say is 279. yeah same with adverts on the tv because it makes it uh it's only 279 what does that mean 279 dollars it's not a cheap watch so apple have made it even easier for people to give them their money if you're in the us and you have apple card which is their their own branded credit card you get 24 easy payments on apple watch they didn't mention any interest rate or anything so no i'm sure it'll be very favorable um and yeah 24 easy easy payments to to get your apple watch se they they just want one on everybody's wrist now the watch se has got the the s5 chip yep which is still apparently two times faster than series three which is still available yes so that i wondered why they were comparing to series three and of course yes because it's still available um again there are cellular models it does support family setup yeah it's got pretty much all the sensors in it although it doesn't have the blood oxygen sensor right and i i noted it was swim proof as well although they didn't specifically say that but it was on there stat sheet um the full detection that's quite important yeah and previous models have had that and it's a again if you're thinking about getting one for an elderly relative that's a massive plus and i think there's a lot to be said for along with the family setup full detection blood oxygen level monitoring if you go for the series six full monty then you've got a watch that can really quite effectively safeguard an older person who perhaps lives on their own or in assisted living so i i think apple to be commended for thinking of those features obviously their motive is primarily financial but it's still a good good feature for consumers yeah absolutely so uh pricing wise series three is 199 dollars should we just call it two hundred dollars fee 200 200 u.s series six is from 400. yeah yeah so but you save a dollar you save a dollar um apple have been incredibly courageous as well with these these new watches and very environmentally conscious or at least this is how they build it by not including a usb power adapter apple at its finest it's like we're we're not going to include the power charger in the watch that needs a power charger because you've probably got one that probably is true but we're still gonna charge you the same amount for it that's that's the thing that gets me i got no issue with them not providing one but what when you actually do need one and you go to buy one what's that gonna cost and have they reduced the watch by the an equivalent amount of course they haven't no it's just a way to extract a bit more profit from people and i i think we need some clarity on that is it the the power charger that plugs into the wall socket because the apple watch if you've never had an apple watch before because they were saying oh everyone's got a usb charger that's probably true i would say most people have got at least one usb charger but the cable for an apple watch is different yeah i would say that this this has to be the wall adapter they're talking about yeah i i think it's a fair point you know i i don't use any of them but what what what i like about it is if i buy an iphone i don't use the power adapter i leave it in its cellophane wrapper and the earbuds because they don't fit my ears i just leave it all in there so when i come to sell my device the next owner gets pristine pristine accessories if you ever buy an iphone from this man you know you're going to get a pristine cable so certainly the usb plugs that i'm getting are not going into landfill other than quite often you do find with you know cheap products from china they throw these things in you know thinking you need them and i really don't i'd rather buy a good quality multi-charger and that's what i use so i'm totally on board with this but i don't want any of the audience to to think that you know we think it's a good idea for loads of these unnecessary wall warts to end up in landfill so i don't think that at all it's just the way apple spin it that's it it's it really grates on me i have to say anyway uh you can order these things today right now i believe um so i assume that's what we're gonna do in a minute my wife wants an apple watch i've said i'm going to get a one so unfortunately apple are getting some of my money today um they are available from friday yeah so watch out we'll we'll get some and see what we think of them watch out see what i did i can't believe you did that that's apparently a dad joke fitness service pete apple fitness plus yeah so this is something we were expecting um actually i wasn't expecting this i must be honest and i'm quite excited about this i'll talk more about it on my channel in detail but fitness plus workout metrics so a voice activated service where you can stay a workout your preferred trainer and how long you want to work out for you can start it on your phone your ipad or your apple tv it will sync to the watch and keep you motivated and it will display your metrics as an overlay of the workout which i think is actually quite motivating and i am going to try that so as soon as this is available i'm going to put a video together on that for my channel with some hilarity i'm probably going to get someone else roped into it if you'd like to see dave in that just let us know in the subscription uh in the comments below it's just not going to happen i could be honest pete this is my idea of hell not not the idea of working out i'm not opposed to exercise i was always very keen on rowing and i can see how having the the metrics is an incentive and it's something that you work towards and i'm i'm totally on board with all of that i just it's the apple style with it you know it's all very loud it's very brash it's very colorful and uh it's all linked to apple music which means you know they're going to be choosing music that i just don't like because i'm i'm an old curmudgeon and i i like what i like and i'm not particularly interested in listening to the latest hip hop tracks or i i've got a wide music taste but i i find a lot of modern music is not to my taste um there were genres though weren't there there were genres you could choose from it remains to be seen if any of those genres you would be willing to listen to i'm sure there is uh it's always it's someone else's selection if i'm working out i mean when i was on my rowing machine i would listen to music that i like yeah and you know i i had a particular set of tracks from my workout so this is very much tuning into someone else's thinking yeah and i that's not really for me i i think i also need to say as well i'm not anti-fitness um i've got frozen shoulder and i think it's worth saying this but before i got frozen shoulder i thought it was like a temporary thing that affects sports people and stuff and a year later and i'm still suffering a lot of pain and also you know both shoulders now are freezing and it's actually something that takes you know anything up to five years it's been quite debilitating i've seen it on you and i know how active you were before so i do have to you know re confirm there that you are a naturally active person and he said athletic but that's not what i meant yeah so even sitting here now i'm i'm in a lot of discomfort and you it's one of those things it's just partly from being here with pete yeah it's just one of those things you've got to get used to and but certainly the idea of doing um i can't i couldn't do cycling i couldn't do dance i can't jiggle my shoulders around i can't run you're not going to be doing any strength training as well are you uh do you think you could bench press at the moment no i can't do anything that involves the shoulders so it's it's not uh it's not for you yeah it's just not not available for me at the moment so i struggle to get excited about it i think my wife will probably be interested in some of the workouts i think like me she she probably wouldn't i hope they've got lots of different styles i think it certainly looks like that from the promotional video that they showed us and you know i know a lot of people in the uk have enjoyed joe wicks during lockdown i've not seen any of his stuff in any i've seen little clips here and there but i can see a lot of people getting into this and keeping their fitness levels up part of the service is going to have new workouts every week so that's good i like this beginners program yeah i flagged that i think that's a that's a really nice idea yeah because getting getting health fit and healthy if you've not been in that place can be quite overwhelming and again that's something i'll have a play with one once we get that service uh they did make a passing mention of privacy sort of your data is is secure got no reason to worry that that's not the case and then what did you think of the pricing um well obviously we need to wrap this into the to the next next topic but um not surprising 9.99 a month us dollars so let's call it what it is 10 or eighty dollars a year and that includes all the family yeah so but there's no sort of individual cheaper subscription so if you've got a big family then that's great uh you you benefit um if you buy an apple watch they're giving you three months free of charge yep um i sort of feel like it ought to be a year yeah i was expecting that i was about to type 12 months and then they said three months it's like oh yeah okay so i just the noise is the air conditioner which apparently has has just come on uh subscription services though let's talk about this now move on to it because uh what apple said here is that they want to make it easy for everyone to discover their services and enjoy them and put money in their bank account i'm sure that that is probably the least of their priorities but you know so something's got to fund all those um yeah so apple won um that's what they're calling it i don't think this is a surprise either we knew this was coming yeah the domain names yesterday registered so all the services in one plan so icloud music apple sorry icloud apple music tv plus arcade news plus and when it comes at the end of the year apple fitness yeah and uh there were three different pricing models that they showed us two of them were based on um icloud apple music apple tv and apple arcade and then there was a bigger package which was 30 a month which also adds on news plus and fitness plus yeah have you ever used news plus no i haven't um i've i'd i would be interested but it doesn't feature all of the the things that i like to read um i don't read many newspapers because of course whichever newspaper you pick up has got some sort of bias so i prefer to get my news from other sources um let's talk about the other services though um just briefly if you're not familiar with apple services um so i pay for um an upgraded icloud membership which is shared with the family and that just means that we've all got our our backups online and uh i don't have any issue paying for that i think it's only two pounds 49 a month yeah i've got something similar it's the way things are these days and everything's backed up into the cloud and it's a sensible thing i mean i primarily use onedrive um i've got office 365 personal and business and the family have access to that so that's where most of our stuff gets stored but we do have the icloud i'm actually embarrassed to say that i have also all of those services and i have a nice spread of things across all of them just for safe keeping not because of any kind of disorganization you understand and some on your local laptop as well our wager don't use a laptop uh apple music um i don't think much to say about this other than um i don't use it i do i find it quite irritating it's there's a sort of bug in the mac os app with some albums you it will just play like a second of each track and just fire fire the whale down i'm sure apple will fix that at some point i think my boys listen to it so i hope they do because i'm paying 15 pounds a month for that apple tv plus uh we said this yesterday we we buy enough apple kit we we've got a free subscription to that but is there anything to watch on apple tv plus uh i i don't actually watch a lot of any kind of streaming service um i've just cancelled a particular platform which i won't mention here but um others may have done as well um i haven't looked at apple tv plus if i'm honest so i can't answer that but i'm hearing there is there is a series coming next year science fiction series which is based on one of isaac asimov's books which i am keen to at least have a look at so we will see okay uh apple arcade i want to talk about this briefly it's not very expensive it's five pounds a month i do pay for it um i was quite excited at the idea of apple arcade and the way that they they launched it and they spoke about creating very special games with developers and working with them and that's not really been my experience they're very lightweight games okay some of them aren't even finished really yeah i was playing in a particular game and um you know just get to a point and there's no more game well it just stops yeah because they haven't made it yet oh okay i think they finished it now but it's the same as steam you know where you buy an early access title when you're not getting the whole game yet okay so i was very disappointed with that um i find that there's not a lot of the kind of games that i would actually be interested in playing again i think my boys play it so the apple services i've not given them a particularly glowing review there and yet i'm shelling out over 20 pounds a month for these things am i likely to change to the apple one subscription might save you some money particularly if you get the apple fitness plus yeah um that might happen should we move on well yeah just summing up i i only use out of those at the moment i only use icloud so apple fitness plus is gonna have to be pretty good for me to go to the well i wouldn't get the one plan it wouldn't make much sense but we'll see let's move on okay uh ipad is the next thing and uh tim cook was very keen to tell us how much he loves his ipad he said it's important to everyday life it's versatile it's essential and also that they're excited about the amazingly creative ways that people are using ipad that they're seeing now this may be true but the cynical side of me and as you know i'm not a naturally cynical person but the cynical side of me thinks probably most people are using it to watch youtube videos that is what happens there's there's no doubt about that we we look at these videos of people doing wonderful creative things on their ipads and we rush out to buy one full of excitement we get it home we download apps and stuff then yeah by by day two you're just watching youtube like we're probably being a little bit glib i mean this is my ipad pro is the computer that i use the most yeah for my machines and i do use it for office 365 um using that right now one note to to read my notes i'm constantly i'm constantly using this i'll get this out over my laptop in most cases so actually it probably is essential to your workflow and it's it is versatile that and similarly i use mine probably half the time along with my macbook pro those are my two machines of choice depending on what i'm doing uh for this typically i will use my ipad but it's a it's quite a it's a landmark year for ipad doesn't it yeah ten years that's gone quickly it has i am yeah i i didn't buy the the first one but i had ipad 2 same here and steve jobs launched ipad didn't he he did so that that that's gone quickly 10 years and steve jobs was still with us 10 years ago wow and 500 million sold now that's crazy this is uh i can get excited about ipad because i think ipad is a great product and there's probably an argument that if you've got a great product don't change it it doesn't need a radical overhaul this is a great system however apple again are waxing lyrical about it's a big year for ipad we're so excited we've made so many massive improvements across the whole range which they later then clarified as just the full size so the ipad mini hasn't been touched and uh going on about this uh the new ipad pro so that's the next generation after this one that had the a12 z or z cpu in it and tim cook again talking about that has been a massive improvement but of course we know it's not a massive improvement it is an improvement but it is basically an a12x with an additional core and the lidar scanner i think that was the other yeah headline feature yeah that's it so um i'm not buying into that you know we've done amazing things with ipad pro it was a it was a minuscule upgrade really and everything was focused around their 300 floating keyboard device really um but there are two new ipads yeah so the first one of which we don't understand at all i'm just going to say that right now but let's start with the one that we do understand yeah so um ipad 8th generation so we had a lot of time being told how great the seventh generation was there was a lot of that today a lot of we've done this with this product it's great but here's a new one you know it was all a bit of showmanship but uh a12 bionic chip which is 40 faster than the previous one yeah i don't like the way that apple does this so they they'll always say percent faster than this or percent faster than that or what they actually said for this particular chip is they said two times faster than the top selling windows laptop three times faster than the top selling android tablet six times faster than the top selling chromebook well that's meaningless those are meaningless statements they're not you know they can't say that it's faster than every windows laptop i mean let's not make a mistake here the a12 bionic is a fast chip but it's not as fast as the a12x or z or z series depending on where you're from and it's also a bit of a misleading statement because the top selling windows tablet or chromebook for that matter may not be the fastest the highest-specced one well i mean i'd have to say in the case of the chromebook it almost certainly won't be no you think about the application as i understand that most chromebook users are education or you know home users that kind of thing who who just want the basics and they want a cheap accessible device and that's probably true of some android tablets and some windows tablets as well it you can just manipulate statistics to to make your make your product sound better yeah absolutely although at the price point which we'll come to in a moment of the ipad 8th generation if you spent that equivalent money on any of these other devices then the ipad would be faster so i it is it is a great device it is faster the cpu is great um but you know let's have some meaningful benchmarks and reference points i think rather than this kind of spurious uh oh well it's x times faster than something we're not going to actually detail so um the a12 bionic itself though this is a six core cpu yep it's got four gpu cores and something that's new is to ipad here is the neural engine yeah so tell me more about that i i got down five trillion ops per second but geek me out with this one give me some geekery i'm not sure i can in great detail pete because i i've not looked into it in any great detail it's uh they're basically calls that are dedicated to machine learning tasks yeah so examples of that um things like motion tracking um so they gave an example of like tennis players so it might analyze a tennis player's game or a golf player's swing that sort of thing so using machine learning to perform complex algorithms computations to to do stuff that would take an ordinary cpu a lot longer so basically splitting this stuff away from from the actual cpu cores and then providing developers with direct access to these custom cores is what apple silicon is all about but i want to come back to that in a moment yeah it's little insights that we're getting here isn't it and yeah i'm looking forward to your your thoughts on that okay so let's just quickly run over the other stuff so it's basically the same ipad as before um still supports the full-size keyboard and the logitech peripherals which what we use with our ipad pros love the logitech stuff yeah it's good stuff uh still supports the apple pencil but it's the first generation pencil yes um with the with the uh interesting charging metric yeah that's not good loads of people have talked about let's not let's not do that they did speak about ipad os 14 quite a lot didn't they they did but again we covered that wwdc that's it and um i think you know let's let's keep focused on the hardware um it's a 10.2 inch retina screen and let's get to the pricing 329 for everybody 299 for education customers and that makes a lot of sense for school use that's a very functional machine yes if you add the pencil and the keyboard you're probably almost doubling that price yeah um or or a rugged case which typically you get for education yeah of course they always show these beautiful designs and everyone's using their their ipad without the case on and no one ever does that it does get me i i took this out the case the other day i took my phone out of the case to give them a proper clean and they are things no matter how you feel about apple just the engineering is beautiful but you'd be absolutely bonkers to use one without a case because it wouldn't stay looking nice but you see all this lovely stuff where they're using it naked that the device that is um and uh that's a completely different show yeah that's not what we saw today um and it looks amazing you've got these amazing you know colors that will come onto with the with the other device in a minute but no one ever uses them like that because they get scratched and you don't want to do that that's it they had this lovely film of a chat sort of walking through a redwood forest being super creative on his ipad and you know writing his essay and using the scribble function in ipad os 14. i yeah it's a typical apple propaganda but still that doesn't change the fact it's a great device at that price what a computer and they are absolutely brilliant and you can order one today apparently and it will be available on friday but let's move on to the ipad air now traditionally the ipad air was thinner lighter more expensive ipad yeah i don't understand this new ipad air it it looks like an ipad pro it looks like the smaller ipad pro possibly a tiny bit thicker but other than that it's indistinguishable indistinguishability from the colors okay let's just quickly let's just quickly get the colors i know important color is gp so we've got three new colors yep so we've got rose gold green and sky blue alongside the normal silver and graphite lovely white graphite yeah so if you're into different colors then it's uh there are some colors to choose from which you can then put a case on so you will never see the color absolutely um it supports pencil too so this this one and it attaches magnetically and it charges magnetically and these are brilliant they are superb um so it's also got a 10.9 inch liquid retina screen off the top of my head i can't remember what the smaller ipad pro is but somewhere around 11 inches i think um the screen has got a 2360 by 1640 resolution it does support true tone and various other things it's got an anti-reflective coating touch id is integrated into the top button yep so um lots of people asking for touch id again particularly with on the iphone with coronavirus and the face mask although i don't know if you've noticed this but apple have done a sort of quiet update so if you're wearing a face mask and you look at it just go straight to the type in your passcode i hadn't seen that yeah because it was extremely irritating yeah um it uses the a14 bionic and this is worthy of some conversation this is impressive yeah so apple has been working with tsmc obviously for all of its apple silicon and as far as i'm aware actually apple is funding tsmc's processes in order to get exclusive rights don't quote me on that i may not be completely correct on that but that's what i believe is happening and they are now down to a five nanometer process and the a14 bionic is going to use that five nanometer process now that may not mean much to people what it means is that on this a14 chip they're getting in just shy of 12 billion transistors and that's 40 more than they can fit in their seven nanometer chips yes so you can get more onto the same size chip and we are starting to get to the the theoretical limits of actual physics here we're we're measuring these these transistors in atoms he said that's how small they are that that is incredible it is amazing and what's more amazing though is that apple's um fabrication process i should say tsmc's fabrication process is so good that they're getting decent yields now this is one of the massive problems that intel has had in trying to reduce its fabrication process uh is that the yields are very poor so it's not it's not perhaps explain what what you mean by yields just for those who may not know what they mean that means so you can't uh let's uh let's do the usual constant geekery thing which is to to try and simplify this but it not it doesn't always work i think that that's the way to explain it the fabrication process doesn't always work perhaps you're making an eight core cpu and two of the cores don't work so what intel will do is switch those calls off and sell it as a six core cpu yeah so it make they make it look like there are loads and loads of different product lines but really there aren't as many as it might appear and when you buy the lower spec processors what you're getting is the products that are not fully functional of course they they are fully functional if they're selling it as a four core cpu and it it's got four functional cores then there's no issue with it it's not like they're not gonna perform you're just getting what you pay for exactly but if what they're wanting to make is eight core cpus and they're only getting six or seven cores that are that are working properly then the yields obviously are not good enough and they can't make it pay so it's a gross oversimplification probably and i'm sure that someone's gonna um perhaps didn't mean to put you on the spot no no or perhaps someone will help us in the comments with a more detailed explanation um but that's the basic gist of it now this was this is essentially as far as i'm aware this is the difference between the a12x and the a120 that additional core in other words tsmc improved that fabrication process so apple was able to make a slightly better version of the same chip yeah now they're going down to this five nanometer process and they're obviously getting decent yields out of it otherwise they wouldn't be launching yeah they must have known this before they announced apple silicon so the a14 bionic is gonna have a six core cpu and um our tv is about to switch off let me just just deal with that because otherwise you uh you don't get a lovely background if you happen to be watching this on on the video now it's an arm architecture which means big little so you have high efficiency cores so these are slower cores that use less power and you have high performance cores so in this case there are four little cores two big cores this is how uh arm products get their amazing battery life and peak performance yeah so so that's what we're getting here there's a four core gpu and they said there's a 30 performance increase yeah two times faster graphics than an equivalent price pc laptop they demonstrated hp yeah i didn't catch which model it was alluding to it was probably just a generic hp but again this is their problem they're not being specific are they so no but they are comparing i suppose on price and if you've got a wad of cash that you want to spend they're saying for your ward of cash ours will be faster than theirs yeah that's that's basically give us your cash they obviously referring to i would have thought an intel onboard graphics of some description um they talked about 4k video editing being a breeze yeah uh and i'd imagine that would be the case because again we come to these custom cores and they did speak again about the neural engine and this particular chip has got 16 cores on the neural engine 11 trillion operations per second that is some computing power there now just this is where i feel like um we just need to revert back to apple silicon and just to be clear there was no talk about mac specific apple silicon at this event but obviously i've prepared some videos on apple silicon and i know some of the people that watch the channel are really keen to find out more about apple silicon so we we're learning something here definitely one of the things that uh the detractors of apple silicon will come up with is they'll say it's just an arm chip which of course it isn't although they compare it just as a cpu but it's not just a cpu or they'll say it's just a cpu with onboard graphics but it's more than that because you've got all of these different custom pieces of silicon doing very custom tasks now let's be very clear here they can only be used to do those custom tasks um but in the whole scheme of things when when you provide that additional computing power so if you're a developer and you're tapping into the machine learning abilities using the neural engine you're not touching the or you're not overloading the cpu cores you're not overloading the gpu cores this is something completely separate that you're using to perform those calculations on an equivalent traditional pc you're using cpu or perhaps uh gpu compute to do those same tasks which will be busy doing other things at the same time as well yeah absolutely so i this idea of having lots of customized chips on apple silicon is what makes it really interesting it's a hearts back to the old days of computing it's a new paradigm it's something interesting they're bringing it into ipad as well which is just gonna it's gonna have the effect of making the ipads very compelling you know most people would probably want to pick an ipad over a laptop a laptop if you're if you're talking about content consumption the ipad is probably more convenient it's lighter the battery lasts longer so on and so forth so i just thought those are a few thoughts on apple silicon that we we gleaned from today i think when the max silicon comes out if it's on i'm sure it is on that five nanometer process i think it's going to be exciting i'm gutted that it didn't feature today but we can wait we can and they did mention about the gpu architecture they focused on both sustained and peak periods of improvement so they are they are recognizing because a lot of people will say oh yeah you know you can benchmark an ipad pro faster than this that or the other but it's only for peak performance but we've not seen that in our use of them and apple making a point of saying they're looking at sustained performance as well they also mention these machine learning accelerators so as well as the neural engine you've got these additional i guessing more bespoke silicon just to give you more oomph which gives you 10 times faster machine ml computations yes then that's 10 times faster than the previous ipad air which didn't have any of that functionality just um popping back to your thought on gpu there a lot of the again the detractors from apple silicon those who say well gpu performance isn't what you know isn't going to be great and all of that these are people who are thinking in gaming terms and these uh whilst you can play games on the ipad in fact let's talk about that in a moment the the the real world performance is what we're interested in yeah we we just want to be able to do whatever it is we're doing and not have the device get in the way of what we're doing so if i'm if i'm doing some photo editing i want that just to be a smooth experience if i'm doing video editing i want it to be a smooth experience if i'm watching youtube i want it to be a smooth experience i don't care what it is that i'm doing i just want it to be a good experience that's it and i i couldn't care less what the raw power of the gpu is as long as it provides me with a great experience you want it almost to be transparent to you as a user don't you like you say you don't want the device getting in the way and that's what we've experienced with certainly the ipad pros and this this really as we'll come to i guess when we're summing up it's an ipad pro to all intents and purposes it is but before we get before we get to that they did just give a uh a couple of examples of developers and the only one i'm going to pick out if i'm going to pick out two sorry there was a demo game and it was interesting that they just did a side-by-side comparison with previous generation so we could see the graphics improvement it looked really good to me and it was running at 60fps it looked of you know uh last gen console quality for certain so i'd be quite happy with that on my ipad um the other app they showed off was pixelmator doing you know i know made the note this one doing some enhancement on images so and this i thought was really compelling because this this shows the potential of machine learning for me is you've probably seen these youtube videos that mock tv shows where you've got you know some kind of fbi or cia or british intelligence and they look at a picture and they say zoom and enhance and you get this really blurry image and it comes in because me and goes into more detail on pixels that aren't there but we did see uh a cropping of an image of a snowboarder and the machine learning obviously it can only enhance what it has but it was doing a pretty good job of it it was doing a very good job of it yeah it was i mean it's not perfect but it was very good yeah and quite exciting to see that kind of technology definitely so um so the new the new silicon is uh providing more opportunities for developers and making it a faster ipad so we like that that's good uh they've switched it to usbc yep like the ipad pro um it's got a front seven megapixel camera that does uh 1080p at 60 frames per second what's that like i think it's quite similar to the ipad pro camera is it similar to that one and what about on the back i noticed that was a 12 megapixel it is a 12 megapixel camera which does 4k 60 frames per second and um actually it's the same as the one in the ipad pro v is it it is is it and what about the audio uh well now they've redesigned the speakers so that when you go into landscape mode you're still getting stereo really are you yeah is that that that's probably not been thought of before no it's been done on the on the ipad pro has it yeah really so it also supports the uh magic keyboard so this is thin oh is that the one that came with the ipad pro that's the one hey okay so it it looks like an ipad pro sounds like an ipad bro it probably is an ipad pro isn't it but it's called an ipad air and it's 500 and well i'm not going to do this i'm not going to play their game 600 dollars yeah and it's available next month so that's okay but so i i got to say i off the top of my head i can't remember the entry price of the the smaller ipad pro it's around 769 i think so why would you buy one of those when you can have this i suspect in raw computing performance the a14 bionic is probably it's probably faster than the ipad pro on single threaded tasks and it will be behind on multi-threaded that's what my guess is i suspect the graphics is similar so in real world usage would you ever notice the difference probably not so so let me ask you a question yeah as we both have ipad pros yes they're not the current generation they're last year previous generation but not much to choose between them if you bought an ipad pro this year because obviously ours is a bit behind that if you've done that after today's announcement would you feel shortchanged yeah i certainly would if i bought the 11 inch one yeah yeah but i've been in this position a lot of times and i'm sure many many others can relate to this where you buy the apple product and they promptly release something better and make you feel like yours is useless but it's not useless they're all fantastic they're all great machines um i just don't understand why you would have two things in the lineup that are basically the same device that unless i'm missing something colors this is the colors yeah and it's not thinner and lighter anymore anyway there we go these are the amazing ipad announcements um and of course at the end there was something more because when tim cook started he said we want to talk about two products today didn't we but there was something more yeah it wasn't anything exciting though was it really i didn't say that okay so ios 14 ipad os 14 watch os 7 tv os 14 all released tomorrow 16th of september nothing that we weren't expecting because that was all pretty much preluded preluded preluded at wwdc yeah good so that's brought us pretty much to the end of our notes so we didn't see the airpods studio and a lot of commentators on youtube called that well done guys you got it right uh we didn't see iphone 12 and again you called it um luke in particular uh you'll be happy you don't need to jump off a bridge yeah um no no apple glass or or no uh-huh which reminds me people i've got i've got egg on my face on my face thank you hope you've made note of that ben um and uh what else was there i did bring some wipes so um i will egg myself later i i was even gonna do a gag as well and get some sort of comedy egg and just uh other things took over today with the business unfortunately so missed opportunities maybe we can do that in the future well egg egg pete i'm sure everyone will enjoy that if you'd like to see me egg pete in the future please uh leave a comment below thanks thanks for that that's all right so overall then uh a pretty underwhelming event um i've got to say i was hoping for more i think it was very exaggerated um there's a lot of hyperbole which there always is apple events but there was a lot of showmanship and it did feel like they really stretched it out yeah it it really it grates on me that their their behavior you know they're behaving like they're saving the world and their products you know there are some good products there they're a company that makes good products uh there are plenty of people that would argue against that as well um i don't like everything apple do i've said this before i'm not a fan boy i'm you know i'm not salivating at the prospect of any of these things um but we're gonna we're gonna get some apple watches to try yeah um because you know that has some relevance mine my apple watch series 2 is four years old and about to die it's starting to show its age so we'll give those a try i've got to say that's a pretty sad indictment though isn't it because if if you spent that same amount of money on say a decent watch i mean if you go out and buy a seiko 5 mechanical watch you can get one of those for for under 100 pounds you know a piece of nice quality engineering lasts you for 20 years yeah easily and doesn't need updating it doesn't need charging which is why i wear a mechanical one definitely a topic for another day in more detail i'd say it definitely is um i'm interested to have a look at the development opportunities for the watch i fancy having a little tinker with that so if i ever get anywhere with that then feature that on the channel i've got a couple of ideas for apps so i wanted to have a go at that so that that's the main reason why why i'm interested in the apple watch um i'm going to do two reviews on the channel for apple watch so i'm going to do an unboxing when it arrives and just my first impressions from the perspective of someone who's a techie but hasn't had an apple watch before and i hope that might make interesting viewing for some uh then i'm going to invite you back pete to do a more in-depth uh review where you'll be able to answer some of the questions from your your experience using it that i don't know the answers to um so two videos coming on apple watch on constant geekery uh pete's channel not enough diet you'll be featuring a more in-depth review particularly on the health features of the watch yeah so i'll do i'll do a similar unboxing and my thoughts on going from a series to which i haven't felt the need to upgrade for four years and i'm to be honest with you i wouldn't probably be doing it now if it wasn't for the fact my series 2 is is just starting to show you know the battery doesn't last as long as it it needs to and that kind of things for more for practical reasons than anything else but i'll be looking at that i'll be looking at the fitness plus service uh i'll basically be looking to rinse as much video content out of it as i can for the for the fitness side of things uh and have a few laughs along the way yeah i look forward to that i mean obviously i'll be helping you produce some of that i'm sure i'm sure you will um so uh we should probably wrap it up i think this has probably gone on for far too long uh were you originally apple's event much like apple's event unfortunately i think we've actually outperformed apple's event because we we plan to do 30 minutes and i reckon we we're some way beyond that hopefully it's been more more more engaging or less underwhelming yes we will put chapter markers in so people don't have to watch the whole thing if they don't want to i hope you enjoyed our our first ever a podcast i hope it was entertaining enough i hope we we did enough scintillating conversation and expert analysis to keep you guys happy um if you've got any suggestions for the format please let us know in the comments we are totally open to that as you know i'm always interested in engaging with you guys in the comments section um we're thinking that the podcast and some other dave and pete videos that we've got planned will need to go on to a new youtube channel that's what we're thinking so we've each got our own channel and we're thinking about starting a new channel where the podcast stuff would live we're struggling to come up with a name for our new channel um so if you've got any bright ideas on that then um by all means we we would welcome them because yeah we're fresh out of ideas yeah good that's it so uh thank you very much for watching really appreciate it i have to say really appreciate all of the support that we receive for the channel i love reading you your comments and suggestions and ideas um that's always great to interact with you guys uh i'm very thankful for those who've supported the channel by subscribing um try to um deserve your trust by bringing you good quality content and more of it so if you feel so inclined please hit the subscribe button uh maybe we did enough to earn a thumbs up or a thumbs down if that's how you roll in any case see you next time for some more geekery youso uh apple's special event has just finished and uh pete and i have got some thoughts on what was featured uh we're using this event for a pilot episode of our new podcast and this is a new format that we're just uh trying out if it's successful then we're going to start a regular podcast on itunes and all the usual platforms spotify yeah that's it but we're also going to film episodes for youtube as well so hope you enjoy it uh here's what we thought about the apple special event and uh we're going to start just with the rumors pete and the build-up for this yeah there were there were a lot of rumors which we we kind of outlined in the video yesterday didn't we um so we weren't i mean everybody in the build-up that uh obviously we watched a few of the live streams and it seems that everyone was very sure that we weren't getting iphone 12 and uh spoiler alert no iphone 12 so they were right they were right yeah um we weren't sure whether that would be the case we didn't see why apple wouldn't release it but bear in mind we were basing this on the fact that the apple event when you went to the website and booked it out yeah you got a calendar you got a two-hour slot so the event was an hour yeah i feel a bit cheated i could have you know done something else with that other hour but it was booked out so what are you gonna do what are you gonna do so uh there's no iphone 12 in fact i think let's just let's just put it out there straight away it's all about apple watch and ipad and i think it's fair to say there's some there's some interesting things in there but our general feeling is it uh underwhelmed i would say i i it felt you know when you get to the end of a packet of butter and you you want to make yourself a better toast and you think ah i've only got a little bit of butter left and you think i'm gonna i'm gonna just get as much of that butter off the foil packet as i can and i'm just gonna spread it as thin as i can to try and accomplish something that's what today's event felt like for me it felt like a very long hour for essentially two products i know people will say oh yeah but there was there's multiple ipads in there but it did feel a little bit drawn out a little bit over hyped yeah well it always does doesn't it uh apple likes to wax lyrical a lot of use of terms like this is an essential product like you know if you if you don't have one then your life's not worth living yeah and how excited they are to get these products into customers hands and um the customers money into their bank account of course um yeah i mean there were some things that um you know tim started by talking about the apple watch the new or actually they started with with both segments about how the existing products have helped people and to be fair the apple watch does seem to have enriched people's lives that's the word they used uh and they they've cited things like the health tracking has been life-saving we had some examples of that someone with an elevated heart rate who went into septic shock but the the watch had warned them of that and they they were on their way to hospital and it potentially saved their lives a blind man who relies on his apple watch now for his day-to-day life an athlete with type 1 diabetes and a guy who had high blood pressure and hypertension and thousands of dollars worth of expensive medication that he was able to get rid of because he his apple watch helped him to get in shape and i think that's a really important thing is with with the health and fitness thing it's a motivator but the only person who's going to get you in shape ultimately or the only thing that's going to get you in shape is you yeah so obviously this is way more interesting for you than it is for me i almost fell asleep listening to you recite the experiences again um it's not that i've got anything against fitness per se and maybe we'll come back to that in a moment but let's talk watch os seven yep because that's where they they really started actually they mentioned also healthcare institutions are using watch data and i think that's that's a good thing you know it helps to improve healthcare that's fine um yeah those are laudable things and um there was a they mentioned mount sinai i don't know if that's hospital healthcare institution um that's obviously something in the us but uh they're using the existing watches to see possible indicators of covid19 but perhaps we can touch on that in a bit more detail a bit later but yeah watch out s7 yeah so i i come at this really from um you know the channel's constant geekery so i'm interested in the geeky techie stuff um i've never had an apple watch um i had a samsung smartwatch nobody wants it i actually thought it was really good in fact it did a lot of things that the apple watch didn't do for many years afterwards but then apple made out like they invented it but that's that's another video for another day um i do have a fitbit which i use for for sleep tracking don't you also use that for skin scouring i i do but again that's another video for another day the um yeah if you've got a fitbit don't keep it on all the time that's all i'm going to say on that yeah watch os 7 we saw this released to wwdc earlier this year so we kind of knew what was coming a new native sleep app um yeah nothing particularly nothing but groundbreaking sleep apps are available for the watch anyway it's just that this is being baked into the os so great so not so great if you're a developer of one of those sleep apps uh hand washing detection i think that's really useful because i quite often am washing my hands and don't even realize that i'm washing them so having my watch tell me that i am indeed washing my hands will be fantastic you joke but there are a lot of people who don't wash their hands for a long time and probably again another conversation for another video and probably another channel but there are a lot of blokes who certainly pre covered didn't wash their hands in gents public public gents toilets so i gotta tell you a story on this one go on so i i needed to go to the loo and uh i went to tesco which is if you're watching outside the uk it's a big supermarket um because i was in in the hope that the toilets would be cleaner if you're caught short you know when you need you need a longer time to do your your toilet if you if you know what it is i'm saying more of a download than the stream yeah anyway i go into the into the cubicle this this somebody came barging into the into the toilet like there was a big emergency going on i took the cubicle next to me and uh he he sort of chanted as he was going to the toilet i'm not going to repeat the word he was using but it was something get out get out oh dear like this and he even he finished his business i managed to not not laugh too much and um he left the the toilet without washing his hands and after all that after all that and this is not an unusual thing and i had a conversation with my wife about it and she said actually it's just as bad in the ladies really yeah so so people go to the toilet and they don't wash their hands i mean i i didn't even know that was a thing but apparently that is a thing that people would would go and deal with feces and not wash their hands i i it beggars belief but that's not what we're talking about what you were expecting on constant geekery today was it but uh no it's a valid point though about the hand washing detection sorry for the record though i just want to say i don't believe that apple watch is going to change that i i don't think that if somebody goes to the toilet and doesn't wash their hands they're going to suddenly start doing that because they're wearing apple watch unless it's got toilet detection as well no but for those who do already wash their hands or have got into that rather basic sanitary habit if it's detecting that you're washing your hands sometimes you know we're we're encouraged to sing a song maybe a couple of times that will help us with the 20 seconds of recommended time it's a convenient thing but just wash your hands properly you don't need an apple watch it seems a bit like the the kind of you know i bought a toothbrush i bought the best one i could afford because it was the the fastest spin um but it's also bluetooth i did try it it's a novelty in it and yeah blue tooth toothbrush bluetooth toothbrush it doesn't make your teeth blue but what what it does is it on your phone you can see how long you've been brushing for so basically the same thing that a conventional watch could achieve or clock indeed okay um but i i suspect it might be something like that that the novelty wears off anyway we've spent far too long on that so yes so just the other os seven headline feature was the vo2 max for measuring cardio fitness levels uh so i i haven't done particularly large amounts of research on that at the moment but it has it okay good it means nothing to me i'll be honest um so then we get to the to the new watch itself and um still has a crown it still has a crown you're disappointed by that well it was just one of the rumors that they might be dispensing with the digital crown to go for a touch id um smooth one which you know the apple watch i've got a series two as you might know um it has that crown on it and it does protrude so if you're doing something sporty or active there is a chance you could knock it which is true of any watch i suppose uh but getting rid of that would seem like a sensible thing for a watch that is very much geared at the health and fitness individual but it still has one so it basically looks like the old watch yeah it looks they didn't even say that it was particularly different they just said it had a beautiful design but it does come in more colors blue aluminium gold stainless steel black graphite and now product red i do like a bit of product red yeah i like that red color i don't think i'd wear it in a watch no i think i quite like the blue aluminium but with a watch like normally with a watch you you you choose something that's going to last for a long time don't you but obviously with a smart watch that's a different conversation and probably something for another day but the biggest feature was the as as expected the blood oxygen saturation level monitors okay so the so since we're on the geeking channel i'm sure you're going to go into detail in the fitness aspects of this and the medical aspects on on your channel pete but i was interested in the way that it does this so it fires red and infrared light um and then it uses that to measure the color of your blood and from that it determines how much oxygen is present in your blood yeah using an algorithm yeah which is pretty cool it is cool yeah so uh it is a big a big feature they were making a big thing about it um i suspect that means a lot to a lot of people i haven't needed to measure my blood o2 levels outside of the handful of occasions i've been in hospital yeah but then it was a nurse measuring them so i i don't know that i would ever need to measure it or is this something that's going to tell me something i didn't already know well we'll focus we'll keep it focused on tech as much as we can but i think it's one of those things just like the the erratic heartbeat stuff that they introduced on on the previous apple watch it just helps give it early indicators of a potential problem so yeah it's not something you think oh do you know i really need to unless you're like a high performance athlete or as you say you're in hospital it's not something you'd normally think about i'd better check that but having it could indicate along with the other things like your heart rhythm and your heart rate that kind of thing your overall health your overall fitness and potentially any problems and they mentioned some health studies around asthma heart failure cobit and flus in general using how using seeing how changes in blood oxygen saturation and heart rate can indicate early signals of these things or problems with these things so i think that's a good thing it's not like you say it's not something you've missed in your life but it could particularly with the current global pandemic be something of immense value to a lot of people if of course they have an apple watch yeah absolutely and i'm not belittling that at all just uh taking a light-hearted view of it of course i'm sure it will help many people and catching stuff early is a good thing let's move on though to looking at what powers the watch so we've got the new apple s6 chip and this is a dual core piece of custom apple silicon that's based on the a13 bionic that's right and i i wasn't sure whether it was 20 fast draw 26 faster than the previous chip which was the s5 in the apple watch series 5 but 20 something percent more so efficient if you're using an apple watch and you're you're thinking to yourself this really could do it being a bit faster then indeed the new apple watch is a bit faster it is a little bit faster the always on display is now two and a half times brighter yeah so that's good if you're out in sunshine i'd imagine although i've never had the apple what you tell me is it easy to read the face um i've got a series two so that is quite old now but um it can be a struggle in direct sunlight so two and a half times brighter than the previous watch which is probably brighter than my old series two yeah it's probably going to be useful and it says it's an energy efficient always on display the new s6 chip will be more energy efficient than the previous one so it's probably great yeah and we're going to talk about new chips a little bit later as well so the other thing that's always on is the altimeter so you can you can always see how high you are yeah which um you know is important to know how high you are um if you're hiking that's a relevant thing again it's a fitness thing to know how high you are it also has a relationship with blow oxygen because the higher you are your your blood oxygen saturation levels will decrease if you go higher because the air is thinner so again no panic if you're really really high up and it's it's lower you'd expect that good and uh some new face designs obviously the that's a key thing with with the watch so when you get a new apple watch you want to see something new on the screen something new and fresh so there are lots of new designs uh i don't know that we need to particularly go into them in detail was there any that caught your eye as a keem watch person um i'll be honest you see yeah this is a good point because i i prefer a traditional mechanical watch as you know um wearing a chronograph today so i'd be interested in a chronograph watch face i quite like the the tachymeter that they um they demonstrated yeah the chronograph pro face i think they call it okay i've got no interest in having mickey mouse tap his foot on my wrist um i can't imagine why anybody would want that but there we go horses and courses and all that and mice new tools for developers though with watch os 7 that allow them to create new watch faces that perhaps did things or do things sorry that they couldn't do before so yeah so examples of that they gave examples of watch faces for for surfers so um baking in some features of surf apps in terms of tide times and that kind of thing uh into into your watch face photography i thought that was an interesting one about the light so i i can't remember the name of the app they did that did cite the app but an app that can tell you what the lights looking like healthcare was the other one as well integrating with apps specific for those areas of interest or all disciplines so for healthcare professionals wasn't it yeah yeah so um some new faces and new tools to make new faces so that's really great and then they moved on to talking about the watch band itself something they called this solo loop watch band and they got terrifically excited about it and what it basically is isn't a stretchy silicone band that's available in a range of sizes you find the size that's about right and it stretches onto your wrist i guess you do have to also choose from one of the seven colors right and it is durable and swim proof but then so with the previous ones but i i guess it's it's one less thing to to break or get caught isn't it yeah for sure and also i actually thought it was interesting to to see it because i when i wear my fitbit because i've always got a mechanical watch on my left wrist and anybody who's a regular of the channel will now go through my videos and double check that but i can assure you i'm pretty much always i'm wearing a watch um so i always wore my fitbit on my right hand and i wore it with the screen on the inside so what i then have is a very ugly ugly belt buckle on there on the outside of my right hand so having if i was going to have an apple watch which indeed i am going to get one to review on the on the channel whether or not i actually wear it is another question but i think i would consider actually wearing it on my right hand if it was just a silicone band with no buckle no attachment no overlap yeah that would look quite neat and the watch face itself then is is on the underside of my wrist so so we approve of that yeah so it doesn't look like i'm pulling a shorts you remember that the american general when he wore two watches on on each one i don't remember not two watches on each rest he wore two watches one on each wrist during the um gulf war i i don't remember that but i remember general schwarzkopf but i don't remember him doing that i remember in the 80s there was there was a trend to have lots of swatch watches up your same wrist but that was before you were born so yeah i'm much much younger than you p you are indeed quite old thank you and there's also the same watch band available in like a threaded yeah braided they call it braided recycled yarn five colors um look quite nice did yeah so there's also leather bands again with some kind of new enclosure without a buckle on it yeah um there's apple watch nike bands and the new face for the apple watch so the same as apple watch nike bands um if you pronounce it that way i've always pronounced it nike and i shall continue to pronounce it nike okay we've got into trouble before from um ridiculing pronunciation on this channel so we'll uh we'll not go there and to finish off that there's of course the hermes new straps and face if you want to spend hundreds of pounds on a leather strap for your um and and the watch itself but again probably one probably one once we get the watches to talk about yeah for sure okay so moving on here is a an interesting new feature they call this family setup yep so this is where you don't have to have an iphone to pair the watch to so for your children or potentially an elderly relative you compare the watch to your phone for them yes caveat is that it needs to be a cellular enabled watch yes in order to do this but um there were some just quite cool features i can see this being useful you can specify who your children can contact on the watch yeah which is nice there's a gps location and you can set up alerts so if you've said to them you're not going to the park today you could set yourself up an alert and if they go to the park then you know you can issue a punishment or more positively if they do go to the park and that's where they should be and they stray outside of that then you will get an alert for that so potentially a way of safeguarding younger ones or indeed maybe older ones who've perhaps got alzheimer's yeah or starting to wander not really good that is actually a really sensible suggestion yeah if there are people with alzheimer's say that does happen so i can see that being a massive thing as long as they remember to put the watch on of course well i think the solar loop helps with that it's just very easy my mum's got chronic arthritis in her hand so being able to just slip it over the wrist rather than fiddle with a strap or a buckle or any kind of enclosure is great yeah absolutely uh there is a school time mode yes i really like that so one of the things um at the secondary school um that my child goes to what do we call that high school high school yet that my my 13 year old goes to is they can't have phones at all um but i can see an argument for having an apple watch so you have the school time mode whether you're working at home schooling or in school where it goes into kind of almost a do not disturb mode a lot of features are restricted and it's got a distinctive look so that teachers can see that it's in a particular mode so they're not going to say put that smart watch away naughty boy or girl so it had a had a face with with bright yellow yellow rings so easy for the teachers to see what's going on and also if you homeschool your children which obviously a lot of people are being enforced to do with the current pandemic or they may choose to we've done it in the past i know you you've done it um having times where where you can help your children to focus by not fiddling with a gadget that's a great idea but as you say they do need a carrier these when you're using this feature yeah and uh rather annoyingly the carrier that we happen to use for for our cellular phones here doesn't support apple watch but i suppose that doesn't prevent you from going with another carrier no um kids can create an emoji on their watch as well i'm sure that will please them yeah well adults can do it as well it's one of the new face options yeah so that is uh apple watch series six but there was another watch announced and that is watch se um this is a more affordable version at uh just 279. uh interesting point on prices uh i don't know if you've noticed this with advertising it's never 279. or let's be honest here 280. it's not you know let's not mess about uh they'll never say that what they'll say is 279. yeah same with adverts on the tv because it makes it uh it's only 279 what does that mean 279 dollars it's not a cheap watch so apple have made it even easier for people to give them their money if you're in the us and you have apple card which is their their own branded credit card you get 24 easy payments on apple watch they didn't mention any interest rate or anything so no i'm sure it'll be very favorable um and yeah 24 easy easy payments to to get your apple watch se they they just want one on everybody's wrist now the watch se has got the the s5 chip yep which is still apparently two times faster than series three which is still available yes so that i wondered why they were comparing to series three and of course yes because it's still available um again there are cellular models it does support family setup yeah it's got pretty much all the sensors in it although it doesn't have the blood oxygen sensor right and i i noted it was swim proof as well although they didn't specifically say that but it was on there stat sheet um the full detection that's quite important yeah and previous models have had that and it's a again if you're thinking about getting one for an elderly relative that's a massive plus and i think there's a lot to be said for along with the family setup full detection blood oxygen level monitoring if you go for the series six full monty then you've got a watch that can really quite effectively safeguard an older person who perhaps lives on their own or in assisted living so i i think apple to be commended for thinking of those features obviously their motive is primarily financial but it's still a good good feature for consumers yeah absolutely so uh pricing wise series three is 199 dollars should we just call it two hundred dollars fee 200 200 u.s series six is from 400. yeah yeah so but you save a dollar you save a dollar um apple have been incredibly courageous as well with these these new watches and very environmentally conscious or at least this is how they build it by not including a usb power adapter apple at its finest it's like we're we're not going to include the power charger in the watch that needs a power charger because you've probably got one that probably is true but we're still gonna charge you the same amount for it that's that's the thing that gets me i got no issue with them not providing one but what when you actually do need one and you go to buy one what's that gonna cost and have they reduced the watch by the an equivalent amount of course they haven't no it's just a way to extract a bit more profit from people and i i think we need some clarity on that is it the the power charger that plugs into the wall socket because the apple watch if you've never had an apple watch before because they were saying oh everyone's got a usb charger that's probably true i would say most people have got at least one usb charger but the cable for an apple watch is different yeah i would say that this this has to be the wall adapter they're talking about yeah i i think it's a fair point you know i i don't use any of them but what what what i like about it is if i buy an iphone i don't use the power adapter i leave it in its cellophane wrapper and the earbuds because they don't fit my ears i just leave it all in there so when i come to sell my device the next owner gets pristine pristine accessories if you ever buy an iphone from this man you know you're going to get a pristine cable so certainly the usb plugs that i'm getting are not going into landfill other than quite often you do find with you know cheap products from china they throw these things in you know thinking you need them and i really don't i'd rather buy a good quality multi-charger and that's what i use so i'm totally on board with this but i don't want any of the audience to to think that you know we think it's a good idea for loads of these unnecessary wall warts to end up in landfill so i don't think that at all it's just the way apple spin it that's it it's it really grates on me i have to say anyway uh you can order these things today right now i believe um so i assume that's what we're gonna do in a minute my wife wants an apple watch i've said i'm going to get a one so unfortunately apple are getting some of my money today um they are available from friday yeah so watch out we'll we'll get some and see what we think of them watch out see what i did i can't believe you did that that's apparently a dad joke fitness service pete apple fitness plus yeah so this is something we were expecting um actually i wasn't expecting this i must be honest and i'm quite excited about this i'll talk more about it on my channel in detail but fitness plus workout metrics so a voice activated service where you can stay a workout your preferred trainer and how long you want to work out for you can start it on your phone your ipad or your apple tv it will sync to the watch and keep you motivated and it will display your metrics as an overlay of the workout which i think is actually quite motivating and i am going to try that so as soon as this is available i'm going to put a video together on that for my channel with some hilarity i'm probably going to get someone else roped into it if you'd like to see dave in that just let us know in the subscription uh in the comments below it's just not going to happen i could be honest pete this is my idea of hell not not the idea of working out i'm not opposed to exercise i was always very keen on rowing and i can see how having the the metrics is an incentive and it's something that you work towards and i'm i'm totally on board with all of that i just it's the apple style with it you know it's all very loud it's very brash it's very colorful and uh it's all linked to apple music which means you know they're going to be choosing music that i just don't like because i'm i'm an old curmudgeon and i i like what i like and i'm not particularly interested in listening to the latest hip hop tracks or i i've got a wide music taste but i i find a lot of modern music is not to my taste um there were genres though weren't there there were genres you could choose from it remains to be seen if any of those genres you would be willing to listen to i'm sure there is uh it's always it's someone else's selection if i'm working out i mean when i was on my rowing machine i would listen to music that i like yeah and you know i i had a particular set of tracks from my workout so this is very much tuning into someone else's thinking yeah and i that's not really for me i i think i also need to say as well i'm not anti-fitness um i've got frozen shoulder and i think it's worth saying this but before i got frozen shoulder i thought it was like a temporary thing that affects sports people and stuff and a year later and i'm still suffering a lot of pain and also you know both shoulders now are freezing and it's actually something that takes you know anything up to five years it's been quite debilitating i've seen it on you and i know how active you were before so i do have to you know re confirm there that you are a naturally active person and he said athletic but that's not what i meant yeah so even sitting here now i'm i'm in a lot of discomfort and you it's one of those things it's just partly from being here with pete yeah it's just one of those things you've got to get used to and but certainly the idea of doing um i can't i couldn't do cycling i couldn't do dance i can't jiggle my shoulders around i can't run you're not going to be doing any strength training as well are you uh do you think you could bench press at the moment no i can't do anything that involves the shoulders so it's it's not uh it's not for you yeah it's just not not available for me at the moment so i struggle to get excited about it i think my wife will probably be interested in some of the workouts i think like me she she probably wouldn't i hope they've got lots of different styles i think it certainly looks like that from the promotional video that they showed us and you know i know a lot of people in the uk have enjoyed joe wicks during lockdown i've not seen any of his stuff in any i've seen little clips here and there but i can see a lot of people getting into this and keeping their fitness levels up part of the service is going to have new workouts every week so that's good i like this beginners program yeah i flagged that i think that's a that's a really nice idea yeah because getting getting health fit and healthy if you've not been in that place can be quite overwhelming and again that's something i'll have a play with one once we get that service uh they did make a passing mention of privacy sort of your data is is secure got no reason to worry that that's not the case and then what did you think of the pricing um well obviously we need to wrap this into the to the next next topic but um not surprising 9.99 a month us dollars so let's call it what it is 10 or eighty dollars a year and that includes all the family yeah so but there's no sort of individual cheaper subscription so if you've got a big family then that's great uh you you benefit um if you buy an apple watch they're giving you three months free of charge yep um i sort of feel like it ought to be a year yeah i was expecting that i was about to type 12 months and then they said three months it's like oh yeah okay so i just the noise is the air conditioner which apparently has has just come on uh subscription services though let's talk about this now move on to it because uh what apple said here is that they want to make it easy for everyone to discover their services and enjoy them and put money in their bank account i'm sure that that is probably the least of their priorities but you know so something's got to fund all those um yeah so apple won um that's what they're calling it i don't think this is a surprise either we knew this was coming yeah the domain names yesterday registered so all the services in one plan so icloud music apple sorry icloud apple music tv plus arcade news plus and when it comes at the end of the year apple fitness yeah and uh there were three different pricing models that they showed us two of them were based on um icloud apple music apple tv and apple arcade and then there was a bigger package which was 30 a month which also adds on news plus and fitness plus yeah have you ever used news plus no i haven't um i've i'd i would be interested but it doesn't feature all of the the things that i like to read um i don't read many newspapers because of course whichever newspaper you pick up has got some sort of bias so i prefer to get my news from other sources um let's talk about the other services though um just briefly if you're not familiar with apple services um so i pay for um an upgraded icloud membership which is shared with the family and that just means that we've all got our our backups online and uh i don't have any issue paying for that i think it's only two pounds 49 a month yeah i've got something similar it's the way things are these days and everything's backed up into the cloud and it's a sensible thing i mean i primarily use onedrive um i've got office 365 personal and business and the family have access to that so that's where most of our stuff gets stored but we do have the icloud i'm actually embarrassed to say that i have also all of those services and i have a nice spread of things across all of them just for safe keeping not because of any kind of disorganization you understand and some on your local laptop as well our wager don't use a laptop uh apple music um i don't think much to say about this other than um i don't use it i do i find it quite irritating it's there's a sort of bug in the mac os app with some albums you it will just play like a second of each track and just fire fire the whale down i'm sure apple will fix that at some point i think my boys listen to it so i hope they do because i'm paying 15 pounds a month for that apple tv plus uh we said this yesterday we we buy enough apple kit we we've got a free subscription to that but is there anything to watch on apple tv plus uh i i don't actually watch a lot of any kind of streaming service um i've just cancelled a particular platform which i won't mention here but um others may have done as well um i haven't looked at apple tv plus if i'm honest so i can't answer that but i'm hearing there is there is a series coming next year science fiction series which is based on one of isaac asimov's books which i am keen to at least have a look at so we will see okay uh apple arcade i want to talk about this briefly it's not very expensive it's five pounds a month i do pay for it um i was quite excited at the idea of apple arcade and the way that they they launched it and they spoke about creating very special games with developers and working with them and that's not really been my experience they're very lightweight games okay some of them aren't even finished really yeah i was playing in a particular game and um you know just get to a point and there's no more game well it just stops yeah because they haven't made it yet oh okay i think they finished it now but it's the same as steam you know where you buy an early access title when you're not getting the whole game yet okay so i was very disappointed with that um i find that there's not a lot of the kind of games that i would actually be interested in playing again i think my boys play it so the apple services i've not given them a particularly glowing review there and yet i'm shelling out over 20 pounds a month for these things am i likely to change to the apple one subscription might save you some money particularly if you get the apple fitness plus yeah um that might happen should we move on well yeah just summing up i i only use out of those at the moment i only use icloud so apple fitness plus is gonna have to be pretty good for me to go to the well i wouldn't get the one plan it wouldn't make much sense but we'll see let's move on okay uh ipad is the next thing and uh tim cook was very keen to tell us how much he loves his ipad he said it's important to everyday life it's versatile it's essential and also that they're excited about the amazingly creative ways that people are using ipad that they're seeing now this may be true but the cynical side of me and as you know i'm not a naturally cynical person but the cynical side of me thinks probably most people are using it to watch youtube videos that is what happens there's there's no doubt about that we we look at these videos of people doing wonderful creative things on their ipads and we rush out to buy one full of excitement we get it home we download apps and stuff then yeah by by day two you're just watching youtube like we're probably being a little bit glib i mean this is my ipad pro is the computer that i use the most yeah for my machines and i do use it for office 365 um using that right now one note to to read my notes i'm constantly i'm constantly using this i'll get this out over my laptop in most cases so actually it probably is essential to your workflow and it's it is versatile that and similarly i use mine probably half the time along with my macbook pro those are my two machines of choice depending on what i'm doing uh for this typically i will use my ipad but it's a it's quite a it's a landmark year for ipad doesn't it yeah ten years that's gone quickly it has i am yeah i i didn't buy the the first one but i had ipad 2 same here and steve jobs launched ipad didn't he he did so that that that's gone quickly 10 years and steve jobs was still with us 10 years ago wow and 500 million sold now that's crazy this is uh i can get excited about ipad because i think ipad is a great product and there's probably an argument that if you've got a great product don't change it it doesn't need a radical overhaul this is a great system however apple again are waxing lyrical about it's a big year for ipad we're so excited we've made so many massive improvements across the whole range which they later then clarified as just the full size so the ipad mini hasn't been touched and uh going on about this uh the new ipad pro so that's the next generation after this one that had the a12 z or z cpu in it and tim cook again talking about that has been a massive improvement but of course we know it's not a massive improvement it is an improvement but it is basically an a12x with an additional core and the lidar scanner i think that was the other yeah headline feature yeah that's it so um i'm not buying into that you know we've done amazing things with ipad pro it was a it was a minuscule upgrade really and everything was focused around their 300 floating keyboard device really um but there are two new ipads yeah so the first one of which we don't understand at all i'm just going to say that right now but let's start with the one that we do understand yeah so um ipad 8th generation so we had a lot of time being told how great the seventh generation was there was a lot of that today a lot of we've done this with this product it's great but here's a new one you know it was all a bit of showmanship but uh a12 bionic chip which is 40 faster than the previous one yeah i don't like the way that apple does this so they they'll always say percent faster than this or percent faster than that or what they actually said for this particular chip is they said two times faster than the top selling windows laptop three times faster than the top selling android tablet six times faster than the top selling chromebook well that's meaningless those are meaningless statements they're not you know they can't say that it's faster than every windows laptop i mean let's not make a mistake here the a12 bionic is a fast chip but it's not as fast as the a12x or z or z series depending on where you're from and it's also a bit of a misleading statement because the top selling windows tablet or chromebook for that matter may not be the fastest the highest-specced one well i mean i'd have to say in the case of the chromebook it almost certainly won't be no you think about the application as i understand that most chromebook users are education or you know home users that kind of thing who who just want the basics and they want a cheap accessible device and that's probably true of some android tablets and some windows tablets as well it you can just manipulate statistics to to make your make your product sound better yeah absolutely although at the price point which we'll come to in a moment of the ipad 8th generation if you spent that equivalent money on any of these other devices then the ipad would be faster so i it is it is a great device it is faster the cpu is great um but you know let's have some meaningful benchmarks and reference points i think rather than this kind of spurious uh oh well it's x times faster than something we're not going to actually detail so um the a12 bionic itself though this is a six core cpu yep it's got four gpu cores and something that's new is to ipad here is the neural engine yeah so tell me more about that i i got down five trillion ops per second but geek me out with this one give me some geekery i'm not sure i can in great detail pete because i i've not looked into it in any great detail it's uh they're basically calls that are dedicated to machine learning tasks yeah so examples of that um things like motion tracking um so they gave an example of like tennis players so it might analyze a tennis player's game or a golf player's swing that sort of thing so using machine learning to perform complex algorithms computations to to do stuff that would take an ordinary cpu a lot longer so basically splitting this stuff away from from the actual cpu cores and then providing developers with direct access to these custom cores is what apple silicon is all about but i want to come back to that in a moment yeah it's little insights that we're getting here isn't it and yeah i'm looking forward to your your thoughts on that okay so let's just quickly run over the other stuff so it's basically the same ipad as before um still supports the full-size keyboard and the logitech peripherals which what we use with our ipad pros love the logitech stuff yeah it's good stuff uh still supports the apple pencil but it's the first generation pencil yes um with the with the uh interesting charging metric yeah that's not good loads of people have talked about let's not let's not do that they did speak about ipad os 14 quite a lot didn't they they did but again we covered that wwdc that's it and um i think you know let's let's keep focused on the hardware um it's a 10.2 inch retina screen and let's get to the pricing 329 for everybody 299 for education customers and that makes a lot of sense for school use that's a very functional machine yes if you add the pencil and the keyboard you're probably almost doubling that price yeah um or or a rugged case which typically you get for education yeah of course they always show these beautiful designs and everyone's using their their ipad without the case on and no one ever does that it does get me i i took this out the case the other day i took my phone out of the case to give them a proper clean and they are things no matter how you feel about apple just the engineering is beautiful but you'd be absolutely bonkers to use one without a case because it wouldn't stay looking nice but you see all this lovely stuff where they're using it naked that the device that is um and uh that's a completely different show yeah that's not what we saw today um and it looks amazing you've got these amazing you know colors that will come onto with the with the other device in a minute but no one ever uses them like that because they get scratched and you don't want to do that that's it they had this lovely film of a chat sort of walking through a redwood forest being super creative on his ipad and you know writing his essay and using the scribble function in ipad os 14. i yeah it's a typical apple propaganda but still that doesn't change the fact it's a great device at that price what a computer and they are absolutely brilliant and you can order one today apparently and it will be available on friday but let's move on to the ipad air now traditionally the ipad air was thinner lighter more expensive ipad yeah i don't understand this new ipad air it it looks like an ipad pro it looks like the smaller ipad pro possibly a tiny bit thicker but other than that it's indistinguishable indistinguishability from the colors okay let's just quickly let's just quickly get the colors i know important color is gp so we've got three new colors yep so we've got rose gold green and sky blue alongside the normal silver and graphite lovely white graphite yeah so if you're into different colors then it's uh there are some colors to choose from which you can then put a case on so you will never see the color absolutely um it supports pencil too so this this one and it attaches magnetically and it charges magnetically and these are brilliant they are superb um so it's also got a 10.9 inch liquid retina screen off the top of my head i can't remember what the smaller ipad pro is but somewhere around 11 inches i think um the screen has got a 2360 by 1640 resolution it does support true tone and various other things it's got an anti-reflective coating touch id is integrated into the top button yep so um lots of people asking for touch id again particularly with on the iphone with coronavirus and the face mask although i don't know if you've noticed this but apple have done a sort of quiet update so if you're wearing a face mask and you look at it just go straight to the type in your passcode i hadn't seen that yeah because it was extremely irritating yeah um it uses the a14 bionic and this is worthy of some conversation this is impressive yeah so apple has been working with tsmc obviously for all of its apple silicon and as far as i'm aware actually apple is funding tsmc's processes in order to get exclusive rights don't quote me on that i may not be completely correct on that but that's what i believe is happening and they are now down to a five nanometer process and the a14 bionic is going to use that five nanometer process now that may not mean much to people what it means is that on this a14 chip they're getting in just shy of 12 billion transistors and that's 40 more than they can fit in their seven nanometer chips yes so you can get more onto the same size chip and we are starting to get to the the theoretical limits of actual physics here we're we're measuring these these transistors in atoms he said that's how small they are that that is incredible it is amazing and what's more amazing though is that apple's um fabrication process i should say tsmc's fabrication process is so good that they're getting decent yields now this is one of the massive problems that intel has had in trying to reduce its fabrication process uh is that the yields are very poor so it's not it's not perhaps explain what what you mean by yields just for those who may not know what they mean that means so you can't uh let's uh let's do the usual constant geekery thing which is to to try and simplify this but it not it doesn't always work i think that that's the way to explain it the fabrication process doesn't always work perhaps you're making an eight core cpu and two of the cores don't work so what intel will do is switch those calls off and sell it as a six core cpu yeah so it make they make it look like there are loads and loads of different product lines but really there aren't as many as it might appear and when you buy the lower spec processors what you're getting is the products that are not fully functional of course they they are fully functional if they're selling it as a four core cpu and it it's got four functional cores then there's no issue with it it's not like they're not gonna perform you're just getting what you pay for exactly but if what they're wanting to make is eight core cpus and they're only getting six or seven cores that are that are working properly then the yields obviously are not good enough and they can't make it pay so it's a gross oversimplification probably and i'm sure that someone's gonna um perhaps didn't mean to put you on the spot no no or perhaps someone will help us in the comments with a more detailed explanation um but that's the basic gist of it now this was this is essentially as far as i'm aware this is the difference between the a12x and the a120 that additional core in other words tsmc improved that fabrication process so apple was able to make a slightly better version of the same chip yeah now they're going down to this five nanometer process and they're obviously getting decent yields out of it otherwise they wouldn't be launching yeah they must have known this before they announced apple silicon so the a14 bionic is gonna have a six core cpu and um our tv is about to switch off let me just just deal with that because otherwise you uh you don't get a lovely background if you happen to be watching this on on the video now it's an arm architecture which means big little so you have high efficiency cores so these are slower cores that use less power and you have high performance cores so in this case there are four little cores two big cores this is how uh arm products get their amazing battery life and peak performance yeah so so that's what we're getting here there's a four core gpu and they said there's a 30 performance increase yeah two times faster graphics than an equivalent price pc laptop they demonstrated hp yeah i didn't catch which model it was alluding to it was probably just a generic hp but again this is their problem they're not being specific are they so no but they are comparing i suppose on price and if you've got a wad of cash that you want to spend they're saying for your ward of cash ours will be faster than theirs yeah that's that's basically give us your cash they obviously referring to i would have thought an intel onboard graphics of some description um they talked about 4k video editing being a breeze yeah uh and i'd imagine that would be the case because again we come to these custom cores and they did speak again about the neural engine and this particular chip has got 16 cores on the neural engine 11 trillion operations per second that is some computing power there now just this is where i feel like um we just need to revert back to apple silicon and just to be clear there was no talk about mac specific apple silicon at this event but obviously i've prepared some videos on apple silicon and i know some of the people that watch the channel are really keen to find out more about apple silicon so we we're learning something here definitely one of the things that uh the detractors of apple silicon will come up with is they'll say it's just an arm chip which of course it isn't although they compare it just as a cpu but it's not just a cpu or they'll say it's just a cpu with onboard graphics but it's more than that because you've got all of these different custom pieces of silicon doing very custom tasks now let's be very clear here they can only be used to do those custom tasks um but in the whole scheme of things when when you provide that additional computing power so if you're a developer and you're tapping into the machine learning abilities using the neural engine you're not touching the or you're not overloading the cpu cores you're not overloading the gpu cores this is something completely separate that you're using to perform those calculations on an equivalent traditional pc you're using cpu or perhaps uh gpu compute to do those same tasks which will be busy doing other things at the same time as well yeah absolutely so i this idea of having lots of customized chips on apple silicon is what makes it really interesting it's a hearts back to the old days of computing it's a new paradigm it's something interesting they're bringing it into ipad as well which is just gonna it's gonna have the effect of making the ipads very compelling you know most people would probably want to pick an ipad over a laptop a laptop if you're if you're talking about content consumption the ipad is probably more convenient it's lighter the battery lasts longer so on and so forth so i just thought those are a few thoughts on apple silicon that we we gleaned from today i think when the max silicon comes out if it's on i'm sure it is on that five nanometer process i think it's going to be exciting i'm gutted that it didn't feature today but we can wait we can and they did mention about the gpu architecture they focused on both sustained and peak periods of improvement so they are they are recognizing because a lot of people will say oh yeah you know you can benchmark an ipad pro faster than this that or the other but it's only for peak performance but we've not seen that in our use of them and apple making a point of saying they're looking at sustained performance as well they also mention these machine learning accelerators so as well as the neural engine you've got these additional i guessing more bespoke silicon just to give you more oomph which gives you 10 times faster machine ml computations yes then that's 10 times faster than the previous ipad air which didn't have any of that functionality just um popping back to your thought on gpu there a lot of the again the detractors from apple silicon those who say well gpu performance isn't what you know isn't going to be great and all of that these are people who are thinking in gaming terms and these uh whilst you can play games on the ipad in fact let's talk about that in a moment the the the real world performance is what we're interested in yeah we we just want to be able to do whatever it is we're doing and not have the device get in the way of what we're doing so if i'm if i'm doing some photo editing i want that just to be a smooth experience if i'm doing video editing i want it to be a smooth experience if i'm watching youtube i want it to be a smooth experience i don't care what it is that i'm doing i just want it to be a good experience that's it and i i couldn't care less what the raw power of the gpu is as long as it provides me with a great experience you want it almost to be transparent to you as a user don't you like you say you don't want the device getting in the way and that's what we've experienced with certainly the ipad pros and this this really as we'll come to i guess when we're summing up it's an ipad pro to all intents and purposes it is but before we get before we get to that they did just give a uh a couple of examples of developers and the only one i'm going to pick out if i'm going to pick out two sorry there was a demo game and it was interesting that they just did a side-by-side comparison with previous generation so we could see the graphics improvement it looked really good to me and it was running at 60fps it looked of you know uh last gen console quality for certain so i'd be quite happy with that on my ipad um the other app they showed off was pixelmator doing you know i know made the note this one doing some enhancement on images so and this i thought was really compelling because this this shows the potential of machine learning for me is you've probably seen these youtube videos that mock tv shows where you've got you know some kind of fbi or cia or british intelligence and they look at a picture and they say zoom and enhance and you get this really blurry image and it comes in because me and goes into more detail on pixels that aren't there but we did see uh a cropping of an image of a snowboarder and the machine learning obviously it can only enhance what it has but it was doing a pretty good job of it it was doing a very good job of it yeah it was i mean it's not perfect but it was very good yeah and quite exciting to see that kind of technology definitely so um so the new the new silicon is uh providing more opportunities for developers and making it a faster ipad so we like that that's good uh they've switched it to usbc yep like the ipad pro um it's got a front seven megapixel camera that does uh 1080p at 60 frames per second what's that like i think it's quite similar to the ipad pro camera is it similar to that one and what about on the back i noticed that was a 12 megapixel it is a 12 megapixel camera which does 4k 60 frames per second and um actually it's the same as the one in the ipad pro v is it it is is it and what about the audio uh well now they've redesigned the speakers so that when you go into landscape mode you're still getting stereo really are you yeah is that that that's probably not been thought of before no it's been done on the on the ipad pro has it yeah really so it also supports the uh magic keyboard so this is thin oh is that the one that came with the ipad pro that's the one hey okay so it it looks like an ipad pro sounds like an ipad bro it probably is an ipad pro isn't it but it's called an ipad air and it's 500 and well i'm not going to do this i'm not going to play their game 600 dollars yeah and it's available next month so that's okay but so i i got to say i off the top of my head i can't remember the entry price of the the smaller ipad pro it's around 769 i think so why would you buy one of those when you can have this i suspect in raw computing performance the a14 bionic is probably it's probably faster than the ipad pro on single threaded tasks and it will be behind on multi-threaded that's what my guess is i suspect the graphics is similar so in real world usage would you ever notice the difference probably not so so let me ask you a question yeah as we both have ipad pros yes they're not the current generation they're last year previous generation but not much to choose between them if you bought an ipad pro this year because obviously ours is a bit behind that if you've done that after today's announcement would you feel shortchanged yeah i certainly would if i bought the 11 inch one yeah yeah but i've been in this position a lot of times and i'm sure many many others can relate to this where you buy the apple product and they promptly release something better and make you feel like yours is useless but it's not useless they're all fantastic they're all great machines um i just don't understand why you would have two things in the lineup that are basically the same device that unless i'm missing something colors this is the colors yeah and it's not thinner and lighter anymore anyway there we go these are the amazing ipad announcements um and of course at the end there was something more because when tim cook started he said we want to talk about two products today didn't we but there was something more yeah it wasn't anything exciting though was it really i didn't say that okay so ios 14 ipad os 14 watch os 7 tv os 14 all released tomorrow 16th of september nothing that we weren't expecting because that was all pretty much preluded preluded preluded at wwdc yeah good so that's brought us pretty much to the end of our notes so we didn't see the airpods studio and a lot of commentators on youtube called that well done guys you got it right uh we didn't see iphone 12 and again you called it um luke in particular uh you'll be happy you don't need to jump off a bridge yeah um no no apple glass or or no uh-huh which reminds me people i've got i've got egg on my face on my face thank you hope you've made note of that ben um and uh what else was there i did bring some wipes so um i will egg myself later i i was even gonna do a gag as well and get some sort of comedy egg and just uh other things took over today with the business unfortunately so missed opportunities maybe we can do that in the future well egg egg pete i'm sure everyone will enjoy that if you'd like to see me egg pete in the future please uh leave a comment below thanks thanks for that that's all right so overall then uh a pretty underwhelming event um i've got to say i was hoping for more i think it was very exaggerated um there's a lot of hyperbole which there always is apple events but there was a lot of showmanship and it did feel like they really stretched it out yeah it it really it grates on me that their their behavior you know they're behaving like they're saving the world and their products you know there are some good products there they're a company that makes good products uh there are plenty of people that would argue against that as well um i don't like everything apple do i've said this before i'm not a fan boy i'm you know i'm not salivating at the prospect of any of these things um but we're gonna we're gonna get some apple watches to try yeah um because you know that has some relevance mine my apple watch series 2 is four years old and about to die it's starting to show its age so we'll give those a try i've got to say that's a pretty sad indictment though isn't it because if if you spent that same amount of money on say a decent watch i mean if you go out and buy a seiko 5 mechanical watch you can get one of those for for under 100 pounds you know a piece of nice quality engineering lasts you for 20 years yeah easily and doesn't need updating it doesn't need charging which is why i wear a mechanical one definitely a topic for another day in more detail i'd say it definitely is um i'm interested to have a look at the development opportunities for the watch i fancy having a little tinker with that so if i ever get anywhere with that then feature that on the channel i've got a couple of ideas for apps so i wanted to have a go at that so that that's the main reason why why i'm interested in the apple watch um i'm going to do two reviews on the channel for apple watch so i'm going to do an unboxing when it arrives and just my first impressions from the perspective of someone who's a techie but hasn't had an apple watch before and i hope that might make interesting viewing for some uh then i'm going to invite you back pete to do a more in-depth uh review where you'll be able to answer some of the questions from your your experience using it that i don't know the answers to um so two videos coming on apple watch on constant geekery uh pete's channel not enough diet you'll be featuring a more in-depth review particularly on the health features of the watch yeah so i'll do i'll do a similar unboxing and my thoughts on going from a series to which i haven't felt the need to upgrade for four years and i'm to be honest with you i wouldn't probably be doing it now if it wasn't for the fact my series 2 is is just starting to show you know the battery doesn't last as long as it it needs to and that kind of things for more for practical reasons than anything else but i'll be looking at that i'll be looking at the fitness plus service uh i'll basically be looking to rinse as much video content out of it as i can for the for the fitness side of things uh and have a few laughs along the way yeah i look forward to that i mean obviously i'll be helping you produce some of that i'm sure i'm sure you will um so uh we should probably wrap it up i think this has probably gone on for far too long uh were you originally apple's event much like apple's event unfortunately i think we've actually outperformed apple's event because we we plan to do 30 minutes and i reckon we we're some way beyond that hopefully it's been more more more engaging or less underwhelming yes we will put chapter markers in so people don't have to watch the whole thing if they don't want to i hope you enjoyed our our first ever a podcast i hope it was entertaining enough i hope we we did enough scintillating conversation and expert analysis to keep you guys happy um if you've got any suggestions for the format please let us know in the comments we are totally open to that as you know i'm always interested in engaging with you guys in the comments section um we're thinking that the podcast and some other dave and pete videos that we've got planned will need to go on to a new youtube channel that's what we're thinking so we've each got our own channel and we're thinking about starting a new channel where the podcast stuff would live we're 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