iMore show 459 - WWDC preview, part 1

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### **The Future of Apple's Music and Content Strategy: A Deep Dive**

Apple has always been at the forefront of technology innovation, but recent years have seen challenges in maintaining its dominance across various product lines. The company’s music and content strategy, once a cornerstone of its ecosystem, now faces significant hurdles, particularly with iTunes on the Mac and the Apple TV platform. This article explores these challenges, opportunities, and what users can expect moving forward.

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### **The Evolution of iTunes: A Bittersweet Journey**

iTunes, introduced in 2001 as a digital hub for managing music, has undergone numerous transformations over the years. However, its latest iteration on the Mac leaves much to be desired. Users have reported bugs, slow performance, and an overwhelming feature set that often feels bloated. The app’s inability to seamlessly integrate with modern devices and services has left many questioning its future.

One user shared their experience: "I’ve been using the original five gigabyte iPod for years, but iTunes on the Mac now feels like a relic. It tries to do too much, and it just doesn’t work as smoothly as it used to." This sentiment is echoed by many, highlighting the need for Apple to revisit its music strategy.

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### **The Content Deal Dilemma: A Double-Edged Sword**

Apple’s DNA may be rooted in music, but recent years have seen the company struggle with content deals. While services like HBO Now and Showtime are available on Apple TV, users often find themselves tied to traditional cable subscriptions to access must-watch shows. This creates frustration for consumers who want a more streamlined experience.

A user shared their thoughts: "I’d love to cut the cord entirely, but without access to local programming or premium content, the Apple TV just doesn’t feel complete." This reflects the broader issue of content fragmentation, where users are forced to juggle multiple services to get what they want.

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### **The Promise and Potential of Apple TV**

Despite its challenges, the Apple TV remains a promising platform. With rumors of a new A-series processor and a full-fledged App Store, users are hopeful for improvements in performance and functionality. However, developers will need to ensure compatibility across older and newer hardware, just as they do with iOS devices.

One user expressed excitement: "I’m holding out hope for the new Apple TV. If it can deliver on its promises, I’d love to see apps that take full advantage of the latest hardware. Games, in particular, would be a great addition."

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### **The Importance of Security: Dashlane and Password Management**

In an increasingly digital world, password security is paramount. Dashlane, a trusted password manager, offers users a seamless solution to managing their online identities. By providing strong, unique passwords for every account, Dashlane helps protect against data breaches and identity theft.

A user shared their experience: "I used to use weak passwords everywhere because I couldn’t remember complex ones. With Dashlane, I finally feel secure knowing that my passwords are both strong and organized."

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### **The Future of Music on Apple Devices**

As iTunes continues to evolve, users hope for a more cohesive music experience across all devices. The integration of iCloud and the potential for a new music service were topics of discussion at recent developer conferences. With Tim Cook’s promise that music remains a North Star for Apple, fans of the platform are eager to see what the future holds.

One user expressed their desire: "I want to see iTunes reborn as a modern, streamlined app that works seamlessly across all my devices. If Apple can pull this off, it would set a new standard for digital media management."

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### **Conclusion: A Call for Innovation**

Apple’s journey is far from over, but the company must address the challenges faced by its current products and services. From reinventing iTunes to delivering on the promise of Apple TV, there’s much work to be done. As users continue to push for innovation, one thing remains clear: Apple has the potential to redefine entertainment and security in ways we’ve yet to imagine.

In the words of a user: "Apple has always been about breaking barriers. I hope they remember that as they move forward with their products and services."

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**Stay tuned for more updates as we countdown to WWDC 2016!**

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhey everyone it is May 27 2015 I'm Renee Richie and right now we're going to talk about an ios8 Unicode bug we're going to talk about Johnny IV being chief of the chief design officer and we're going to talk about WWDC 2015 this is the imore show joining me this week I have from newly tourist uh I guess clogged Cape Cod how are you fine thank you how you do can you leave your driveway still uh yeah now that Memorial Day weekend is over it'll be fine until about Friday at 2m and then we'll just hunker down like animals and hide until the weekend is over again nice also joining us CED calwell who sounds like she's gone from feet of snow to degrees of heat yes it is very muggy here in uh dear old Boston but we're surviving so it's not a dry heat no no it is a muggy heat so I apologize in advance if you hear fan noises it's it's mostly to make sure that I don't pass out ouch all right if anyone sees Ren fall just call 911 all right so quickly off the top of the show earlier today there was an ios8 Unicode rendering bug that was discovered Unicode is an international standard that's used to encode transmit uh decode and render text from all different kinds of countries it can do everything from Arabic script to Chinese characters to the Roman alphabet uh and what was happening was as it was received by uh messages primarily on iOS on the iPhone the uh iPad and the Apple watch and iOS started to render it uh it would cause some sort of error that would crash springboard and it would either just crash the app like the messages app or sometimes it would reboot or respring it's kind of unclear whether it's respringing or reboot um so it's it's it's not exactly clear what's happening but Apple did said that they were aware of it and that they're working on a fix uh usually they're pretty good about pushing these out quickly but they will have to fix whatever bug is in cortex or the Unicode parser whatever part of the code base it is and they will have to do QA on that because the worst thing that can happen is they rush out a fix that has another bug in it that's maybe even worse or just as bad and then we start this whole cycle over again so my guess it will be Qui pretty quick I don't I think we're talking days though and not not hours right Ren yeah unfortunately as as terrible as a bug like this is it's still going to take a little bit of time for engineers to lock down a fix uh I can guarantee that those the engineers in question are probably slaving over their computers right now trying to make sure that their fix doesn't break anything else before they send it out because the last thing you they want to do is send out a a patch that you know fixes this bug but might crash messages on launch or do something horrible like that or maybe disable emojis for everybody that would that would suck too so uh so apple is going to work as hard as they possibly can to get this fixed and straightened out but it may it may take a day hopefully hopefully within 48 Hours fingers crossed yeah I I would love 48 hours I I've come to expect like a week but uh this is a hard one so hopefully they'll do this as quickly as responsibly as possible moving on we have a new Chief design officer at Apple Johnny iv used to be relegated to an off uh I guess an off Loop office where he toiled away making designs for people who didn't appreciate them Steve Jobs got there rescued him they made the iMac together they went on to make the iPod the phone the iPad uh and now Apple has just launched the Apple watch which Johnny Ivan Mark Newsome were integral to and um his reward was I guess it's reward the right way to say it but Peter he is now the new Chief design officer at Apple which I guess is the Second Officer or or sea-level title after Tim Cook CEO and um Luca meistri of the CFO yeah and it kind of makes sense because um a while back uh Johnny's role at Apple expanded from just designing the hardware on products to designing the software that ran on the products as well so um uh you know as his responsibilities have increased the the people that uh that that report to him uh have have increased in multitudes and uh his responsibilities have increased so uh this seems to be a sensible uh uh Evolution or progression of his responsibilities at Apple that hasn't stopped a lot of uh kremlinology as it were a lot of te reading uh about about this whole thing now I saw Ren I don't know about you I saw sort of three broad camps one was people saying this will give him more time with his family more time in England and maybe it's a foot out the door another group was saying this is a consolidation of his power and he's going to be even more influential uh when it comes to Apple another group said that oh this is a great way for Apple to hide johny's likely ever increasing paycheck from Wall Street and another group was sort of it's a lot of things but it's mostly just about Apple recognizing Johnny yeah I I tend to be in the last camp I think it's a mixture of everything um Johnny has for a long time basically been uh in the thick of managing and not creating you know he's gotten some time to do design work uh but clearly he's his design staff has ever growing and I think actually giving him a sea-level St a sea-level position whether it's in name only or otherwise it gives him a little bit more freedom to say oh I'm going to designate people to manage this part of the business now and I am going to focus more on the big picture stuff the overall the the big dreaming and then I'll come by to make sure that everything's running along smoothly and honestly you know uh whether or not Johnny you know stays with the company for another 10 20 uh you know odd years uh having some you know building up the Lesser members of his Design Group I think is actually fantastic because a lot of those people have been working for a long time on iOS and uh and Hardware design and they deserve to be recognized and the more that we can see that you know just like with apple in the in the years before Steve Jobs retirement and uh an eventual death we started to see more of the other sea level Executives and more of the talent behind the the room so to speak that wasn't just Steve Jobs I think we need to see the same thing in design I think Apple at this point has become such a big company that it needs to show the world a little bit that Johnny is not the only person at Apple who is designing the big revolutionary products and that there's a staff and a team and those people do amazing work and if Johnny decides to leave at any point in the future that it's in good hands yeah I think that's really true and I think I think there's been a couple things that were super interesting recently one was that they brought Mark Nome on board in official capacity and Johnny and I have used to collaborate extensively with Steve Jobs to the point where Steve Jobs would have so many opinions Johnny would maybe ask him to stop at times but um he didn't have that collaborator posted jobs because that's not the kind of personality other people at Apple are but Mark Nome is someone he could collaborate with but he couldn't really share anything proprietary uh to Apple or subject to NDA at Apple and now Mark Nome is officially part of that machine so maybe him just having that sort of kindred spirit on the design uh side saves a lot of things simultaneously there was that big profile of Johnny around the Apple watch launch in the I think it was the New Yorker um where it it was an extensive profile about him and it talked about how he just even recently he designs like the tables at the at Cafe Max and in and in the retail stores he his his design expanse is vast it's way more than just an iPhone but now he has Richard hoar who I'm hope I'm pronouncing that right who is a longtime industrial design Johnny I used to run industrial design and then when Tim Cook came over move Scott forest all out he gave Johnny IV all of he gave him uh human interface as well uh which used to be separate and siloed and not quite as centrally managed and there were people like Greg Christie and baser and all whole bunch of people there running it but they started to fade away and um Johnny I brought Allan di on who was doing marketing um to work on iOS 7 and that famously has a much I don't want to say print inspired look but it is a very clean very typographical very high density sort of look and Allan I went on to the Apple watch Project and now you have Richard Hoth who's going to become the new VP or sorry who is the new VP of industrial design and you have Alan Dy who's a new VP of human interface and they both report to Johnny but the data managerial tasks fall to um D and hoar and I think Ren that's that's a way better setup for someone like Johnny I yeah absolutely I think I mean Johnny's big uh Johnny's big contribut uh contribution to the company is his overall design vision and if he can get spend more time on that and uh less time on the day-to-day of the tweaking and the individual you know bit by bit I think that will be a great thing and also you know what giving him giving him recognition of all the work that he's done I've never actually seen a CDO as a as a main job title before you know we hear we hear about the big ones we hear about the CEOs we hear about the financial officers the CFOs occasionally we'll hear about marketing officers CMOS um but having a chief design officer I think is a really a really big show of faith in Johnny and maybe maybe it is something where you know it is a move by Apple to fully show Johnny just how valued he is at the company and I mean we don't know yet if that comes along Ong with some shares or anything like that restricted stock units we'll find out during the next yeah exactly a new house it's super interesting the the CDO title sort of I think it started in 2012 Le that's when I first saw I think it was Pepsi or somebody who came up with it but it was a recognition that that is what how you communicate as much as marketings and as much as some of the other other divisions uh design is how you communicate your product and it was super important and I think very few companies still have it um again and Apple has very few se- level executives one of the things Peter that always fascinated me though is uh over time bad things can happen to artists maybe that's the wrong way of putting it like Bill Waterson famously walked away from Calvin and OBS he just feel he felt like he was done and didn't want the spotlight anymore and just as famously George Lucas went on to make the prequels because he felt like you know he knew what was best and didn't need to listen to people anymore and it seems like as much as this is everything else this is also sort of keeping Johnny in a position where he can be most effective and doesn't feel like rage quitting and doesn't feel like or isn't put in the position to make products that aren't any good one would hope I mean you know we can argue back and forth about or not back and forth but we can argue at nauseum uh really on the internet and elsewhere about uh Johnny IV's overall importance to um Apple's success over the years but there's no question that he's made a very very indelible um statement about uh design on Apple's products so um you if if if making him CDO uh help secure that for a while longer or um you know whatever improves uh the situation than great the interesting thing for me is that um this move was um leaked or announced on Monday right by Stephen Fry Yeah by Stephen Fry of all people the the comedian the rack onour the author um and the the very wellestablished Apple enthusiast has been seen at a number of Apple events in the past um but uh you know it it it would have seemed anyway to be a a statement or a a a move that was somehow positioned at uh Wall Street analysts and others but there really hasn't been much of a Wall Street reaction to the news so um to that end I'm not I'm not sure if it's inside baseball or what know I think I don't know I don't know if you have take on this run but I think that apple is just such a big company and they're very almost gunshy31 time there was a change with Johnny I we got iOS 7 and then y70 and we got the Apple watch which I think all of like you can you can debate the individual things like affordance and color palet and uh workflow and things like that but I think it's it's it was a huge change for Apple a very interesting one and one that's enabled a lot of really cool things and I I want to see what happens with Johnny I as as CD and with Richard Hoth and uh I hope you get those names right and Allen Dy as the new VPS I think if nothing else we're in for interesting times absolutely and we can't forget the mysterious project Titan lurking in the shadows uh and whether or not this uh this move will allow Johnny to maybe focus a little bit on that um TBD on what that actually is but yeah but that's true too like I think like he said he's gonna be working uh on Apple campus 2 he's going to be working with Angela Ern on the new retail store and I I don't know if it's clear whether that's a complete redesign or or a steady Evolution but also there is the watch which he was super passionate about and there is Project Titan which is probably an area he's super interested in too so there's a lot of like there's a lot of other things there that could interest him and maybe just signing off on on productivity reports all day was getting in the way of all that I take a quick break so I can tell you about red hat red hat is tried tested and trusted it is literally Linux with no fuss and no mus so um open source is not news anymore everyone's heard about Open Source before if you use an iPhone or an iPad or Mac or an Apple Watch I mean uh there's webkit which is open source there's the Mac kernel there's FreeBSD all these things are built on open source 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moving on to WWDC um we are how far are we like eight days nine days yeah we're getting close oh God panic panic no one nobody needs to panic we are so yeah I mean it's I was just going over the list of things and there looks like there's so many things we talked about some of them before but I think it's probably good to focus on a few of them uh just to list out I mean I'm expecting at least iOS 9 OS 10 10.11 probably the Apple TV refresh uh the homekit uh update um information about the next version of of watch OS the SDK for or at least the preview of the Native SDK for the watch uh anything else anything else on the agenda oh God yeah uh I mean there's a lot right I I feel like also we're talking about the sort of inside within all of this did you mention Swift I think we'll probably hear some more about Swift yeah yeah um there's there's a lot and before everybody goes oh well that sounds like too much for a dubdub DC remember what they Unleashed on us last year yeah I uh no I I think they have they have quite a slate of things that they could potentially talk about uh we just heard uh today Mark Gman broke yet another rumor about perhaps a Google now uh competitor to uh for for Apple that incorporates Siri and Spotlight and a whole bunch of other stuff so we may hear about that we may hear about transit directions and maps and iOS with the with the Siri thing so this interests me a lot because Apple has always been technically or theoretically able to do this because they have access to vast amounts of data Maybe not the exact same kinds of data that Google does a lot of data both on your device and on iCloud but they haven't wanted to be involved with comingling data on the cloud it's been a policy decision they wanted to you ask a question they give you an answer and at no point do they conduct operations on your data on their servers and this would seem to be a change in that policy well yes and no I think that there are ways to get a Google Now like experience that don't necessarily data mine uh you look at what the today's screen is doing currently where it's taking your calendar information yes excuse me it's taking your calendar information allergies um but it is also doing so with your explicit permission and I think that that's a that's the major thing is that this kind of a feature if it exists and if it's going to roll out an iOS 9 we're probably going to get some explicit opt-ins where it's like would you like apple to have your calendar information would you like apple to be able to integrate your contacts Siri uses a lot of your personal information but it an anonymizes it when it goes up the cloud and I imagine that will stay the same with this is that it will be encrypted and it will not be it will not be device or it will be device linked maybe and not necessarily Cloud LED yeah I think you're right like for example when I got my Nexus 5 I turned it on it said you want to use Google Now I said hell yeah because it's a great service and then I said can we monitor all your web techn your web traffic and I said no uh because like I have nothing to hide but I also don't need Google to do that this just not what I want from them and they said then you can't use Google Now which to me felt like BS because there's a lot of stuff they can provide me without monitoring my web traffic uh maybe I'm wrong about that but that's just what it felt like to me absolutely and I think Cortana if I if I recall walks a a closer line but I maybe there is wiggle room in between what Google wants to do where it devours everything and what Apple can do selectively yeah I don't know um it's a tough question because I would feel comfortable uh share like for example it knows my the stuff locally on the device there's a lot of things it can do that it's not doing yet and that was that famous thing that Roger mnam mnam M yeah mnam said back in the Palm Pre dayss that we know your schedule we should be able to tell you that traffic is going late you've got to leave now um and everyone's been trying to realize that and that is just traffic and and calendar and location and all these things together some of the things I don't like is some Services want access to your email and they pre-read your email sort through it and say you have a like you've got got an email here from Air Canada or virgin or Delta or something we're going to just consume that and then add that to your to your alert card we're going to go through and pick out and that to me feels kind of intrusive and I don't and I know that that's the price you pay for that service and if I had Jarvis in my house Jarvis would know as many uncomfortable things about me as he knows about Tony Stark right now uh I I just maybe I'm just scared and need to be eased into it yeah well here's the thing I think that Apple can strike a happy medium and I actually think most of these companies can strike a happy medium if they're willing to do so you look at what the stuff that Apple can already recognize in emails where it has that contextual support and we saw this most recently with Force Touch where if you see an you know if an email shows up certain things like addresses for instance you can force touch on them and they'll pop up in maps or you know contacts you can automatically add from there it can recognize dates and turn them into a calendar invite so I think that Apple could actually get around this rather than doing the automatic raise your email super creepy thing it could do the same thing that like say when you have a passbook attached to your mail uh your email where you scroll through and then there's a little Banner at the top that says hey this looks like a flight would you like it would you like us to add it to your map and your calendar hey this looks like a dinner date would you like us to add it to your calendar and that way it's an individual opt-in thing and not just we blanket reading your email it's more a quick contextual Thing by thing happening Peter you're my kagin am I am I overreacting to this um no I don't think so I mean you know it it Apple's got to evolve uh the the technology to keep up with uh with what's going on and you know there's always going to be that tension between uh between you know providing utility and convenience and making sure that data is secure um so I think that's a valid concern but you know the the bottom line is that Apple has consistently from the start I think separated itself from the competition by saying look your data um isn't being used to sell you things your data isn't being manipulated by us for nefarious purposes so don't worry about that I don't think that that's going to change anytime soon yeah my tin foil hat says that you know with Google Apple Facebook all these companies that it's not just what they do now but the minute you give them your data you've got to be concerned about what happens 20 50 years from now um but that that kind of thinking will drive you crazy uh there's also talk of a Siri API which you know a friend of the show guy English kind of explained years ago the challenges is with that where you have multiple if you have fantastic H and maybe calendar Plus or calendar 5 installed in your computer your iPhone how do you know which one gets to take which action without making it honorous but without causing collisions so there's a lot of challenges around that but that's also how you get that extra functionality right now I use Siri especially on my Apple watch for almost everything on my iPhone for a lot of things but anything past an app is a black box Siri just can't can't really access it it can launch it but that's it and allowing to like if I could just say overcast play the imore show or if I could just say fantastic Al add an appointment blah blah blah and yeah there's there's workarounds now but that would make it much better I just I don't want to expect too much because I realize how hard a task that is yeah I think that there's a lot of Truth to that um you know for me for my part I would settle for Siri just being more reliable and being able to interpret the the data that I'm inputting a little bit more effectively because uh sometimes I've noticed that that that that Siri just doesn't parse uh what I'm asking it or telling it accurately or it doesn't follow up uh the way that I think that it should um when you know I've I've I I'm trying to get it to to sort of do compound steps to things and that's the sort of intelligence that I would like to see out of an intelligent assistant that I'm not seeing on a Siri right now yeah I think that's true I'd also like to see Siri come to Mac because we've heard for a long time especially from people with accessibility needs that the ability to have that voice control is is really important to them especially if they have blind if they're blind or or they have visual impairments and not having on the Mac makes the Mac actually less accessible to them than an iOS device and parody there would be super great to see absolutely yeah I mean par you know having some kind of Siri interface on the Mac even if it's through handoff uh might be very useful um you know obviously the Mac has serish capabilities and fits and starts um you know dictation certainly fills in some of the blanks there and and um uh Spotlight uh is getting more and more intelligent and apple isn't waiting for major uh monolithic operating system updates to to improve Spotlight uh you know spotlights uh ability to return useful usable actionable information based on what's on your MacIntosh and what's also on the web has been improving incrementally as Apple improves the services that run spotlight so you know I I think we're we're seeing it sort of inexorably move to that but yeah it'd be really nice to talk to my Macintosh uh and have it do things because I can't think of a better way to irritate the person sitting next to me at Starbucks I think that's very true and ren you were also mentioning Transit which is another huge challenge because and we talked about this before every municipality I mean some municipalities treat those as crown jewels and want total control over them and it's really hard to go door too and sort of get all that data but Apple's been buying companies even so Mark wrote about this recently that only it's only going to launch in in a handful of cities yeah well I mean just like the original Maps app only launched uh did fly hour data and things like that and even its traffic data wasn't great until a year after launch it takes time to roll the stuff out people don't necessarily think about this because they're like oh well Google Maps has been great forever but really Google Maps has had decades at this point to put together their archive uh and Apple started mapping what in 201 2011 um with the with the roll out of iOS 5 uh so it's been a they they haven't really had all that much experience building that kind of archive so it makes sense especially given the you know the the general feeling around maps that they start limited and they start selective and then they build it out from there there are still plenty of great thirdparty apps that have access to Transit data if they're going to launch a Transit service it needs to be Rock Solid yeah no I agree 100% about that uh maps are something that everyone takes super seriously now I've actually been really enjoying maps on the Apple watch more than I thought I would uh because it's and app because Apple owns that stack now and they can do things like I I start directions on my phone and I feel them on my watch or I start them on my watch and then I suddenly hear them on the phone and that sort of stuff is super powerful absolutely although I have to say I for the first couple weeks that I was testing it I was terrified that it wasn't going to direct me the right way so I was definitely like looking at it every few seconds and now I've kind of just started to relax and let myself go um and let myself trust the watch and the the turns although I will say things that I would like to see in the future from Apple watch and traffic and Maps would be a better indication of traffic and specifically alternate routes that's one place I think that map Google Maps still hold Superior in maps I know when I'm driving between um between Northern in Southern New England I often go to Google Maps over the regular maps app because that gives me a much better upto-date version of my traffic and my daily patterns and oh take this route and you'll save five minutes so I'm kind of hoping that we see that maybe in iOS 9 yeah no I'd love to see that as well yeah anything else on the iOS 9 list while we're talking about it um I know there was a ton of of oh god well we've been doing our wish lists forever um there's a there's a lot of potential stuff there one of the big ones is a couple couple things that they've been working on for a while is the security stuff and you know they've got an incredible security team in place now and they're doing a lot of stuff to further lock down the system and prevent uh malware and other sorts of attacks from getting in there and just generally to make us safer and more secure and also um no surprise to anybody they've push stuff out stuff that they've been working on for years has been pushed further out so they could really focus on stability I haven't heard any like I've heard that for iOS 9 for sure I haven't heard much about os10 uh1 but because I haven't heard that much about it Peter I wonder if that's going to be a major Focus there as well you know it it it'd be smart I can tell you from my experience working in uh the Apple retailer that I do that we see customers come in every day who are afflicted with malware problems Adwear has become a very serious problem on the Mac and let me say this unequivocally so there's no misunderstanding um if if you continue to hold to the old Canard that uh apples or that Macs are virus proof uh you're lying to yourself and you're lying to anybody that you say it to viruses as it were may not be a thing but malware and adwar is definitely a pervasive problem on the Macintosh it's a huge problem especially for people uh who may visit websites indiscriminately and click on things indiscriminately now obviously there are a lot of things that you can do um just in terms of best practices and we've written about a ton of them um uh to to secure your system from getting malware and to reduce the likelihood that malware will infect your computer uh but the bottom line is you still need to be cautious Vigilant and careful and you do need to scan your computer every so often you know even in my own house you know I would expect my my family members of anybody uh to be more inured to this sort of thing than anyone else but I found malware on my wife's computer I found malware on uh my kids computers and I haven't found malware on my own computer yet um but uh I figure it's only a matter of time so uh Apple has you know done a fairly good job of uh securing the operating system in very fundamental very uh foundational ways uh to make it more secure than it was before and more secure than what the competition could offer at the time I'm talking about Technologies like gatekeeper for example um but uh they they need to do a lot more they need to do a lot more and until then devices or or apps like adware medic for example uh Bit Defender clam xav and others um are absolutely should be a vital part of every Mac uses toolkit they should employ them on a regular basis to make sure that their machine is free of any kind of problems one of the things Mark talked about is something called rootless which would be a way for people to run um basically a lot of people run as administrator now uh and they have rout access and there's it's Peter can explain more deeply if you wants to wants to get into terminal and sudu and stuff like that but essentially not everyone needs that that sort of stuff and rootless would let you run with the ability to do the things that most people need to do most of the time but restrict access to any actual root level Machine level um commands which means that a malware that comes in it would be boxed off more it would not be able to get into the subsystems and do the sort of and damage things to the extent that they were uh that they were possible to damage under a full admin access system so that is really cool and it sort of continues this trend of sandboxing and other Technologies for as much as we've complained about them because they may not have enough entitlements um for all the kinds of apps that we want are still making things a safer place and that's sort of the iOS model where if something bad does get in it sort of can't infect it so you have those two areas you need you want Apple to prevent as much malware coming in as as they can and they do that through updating the definitions of the built-in malware tools but if something does manage to get through like a zero day exploit or something else you want to limit its ability to get into the system and to get into other apps and extensibility was built with this in mind and a lot of the systems were built with this kind of Security in mind and I'm sort of I'm so happy that apple is making security and and privacy a feature because it really is smart competitively because it's hard for companies like Google and Facebook to say the same things given how they're how they make their money compared to how Apple makes their money and also it it suits my interests as a user I just want much much more of it yeah I'm inclined to agree uh all right so um moving along then for the Mac anything else you're looking forward to for 10. 111 I mean um some people have used the old snow leopard thing I keep saying snow leopard was a massive change but I think what they mean is that they want Apple to focus on stability yeah exactly I want Apple to focus on stability as well and uh the interesting thing is we just had a c change with the latest 10.14 beta I don't know if you want to talk about that now Rene or talk about that later okay um the the 10.14 beta that dropped this week introduced a fundamental change to the way that networking specifically DNS networking is managed uh on the Macintosh a software uh uh uh process that uh was introduced with the oy called Discovery d uh seemed to cause a lot more trouble than it was worth um we've we talked about this before and so have other uh so have developers uh on social networks people like Craig hackenberry and Marco armant have talked about it as well Discovery D is a technology that uh enables the Mac to um uh wake from sleep over the network so if you've got a sleeping Mac that you need to get files from and uh you want to be able to do it uh remotely you use that bonjour uh Apple's zero configuration networking technology uh uses it and uh uh other uh really important foundational uh uh functions in the operating system uh make use of it as well but Discovery D has also been uh the source of a lot of problems if you've had a problem with your Mac waking from sleep and just seeing a cursor on a black screen or never seeing a login screen at all until you restart Discovery D might be the problem if you've uh noticed that your fans spin up for no apparent reason or that uh you you open up activity monitor and you find that Discovery D has pegged uh one of your processor cores into the red that's a problem uh these are all problems that have been linked back to Discovery D well 10.14 the latest beta the beta that just came out this week uh has replaced Discovery D altogether with mdns responder which is the technology that's been around on the Macintosh since 2002 when 10 2 Jaguar was released uh mdns responder um doesn't do all the same things that Discovery D does as I understand it may not necessarily be as efficient um from an energy standpoint as Discovery D does but it does work more solidly and just since upgrading yesterday and I admit I've got only at this point about 24 hours of experience I'm noticing fewer problems on in my own Mac and my own local network uh with my Mac updated um to the latest 10.10 4 beta this this is a very interesting change Apple you know famously is a black box I think is your word for it Renee when it comes to this sort of thing we've uh seen developers and users alike complain for months about the problems that they've been having with this technology but Apple has said absolutely nothing on the record about it and that's not at all uh unusual for Apple but it still creates a lot of frustration for people who are having the problem know what the problem is can report on the problem but can't really seem to affect change replacing Discovery D with mdns responder is a hack that has been uh talked about in developer forms for months but it requires root access it requires access to the command line terminal which is a comfort level that many many Mac users um are not at uh so it's not something that I've ever reported on it's not something that is in sort of widespread distribution right now but Apple seems to have taken that approach replacing uh Discovery D with with mdns responder alog together we'll see if this is a permanent change or just something that that Apple does until it works out the Kingson Discovery D but my point is this yose for all of its benefits with handoff and continuity and the rest uh and and a new um uh thoroughly retina optimized user interface and everything uh introduced some serious flaws for many users um and uh you know the the the snow leopard point that I think many of us including myself have made is that uh you know maybe Apple needs to lay off the Fe features a little bit and you know we've got a little bit of feature exhaustion and just focus on getting the fundamentals right so it'll be very interesting to see Craig federi uh on stage at WWDC in a week and a half uh to see what he has to say about that yeah I think um and the only only issue I take with snow leopard is that it you know it did do grow at Grand Central Dispatch and exchange and it I think people get the wrong idea and think that it really is the marketing slogan of no new features but I think what you're saying a lot of people are saying is we want some of those temples or maybe even a large number those temples to be what they did with iCloud you know the Mula a couple years ago where they said this hasn't worked the way we wanted and this is what we're doing and we're going to regain your trust with this honestly in plain language I'm fine with apple introducing new features I just don't want them to have faet yeah uh Ren you also mentioned um Apple watch earlier and maybe Apple watch SDK for the native stuff yeah in fact Jeff Williams just uh just got on the stage at the code conference uh to announce that there will in fact be a develop a preview of full native Apple watch apps uh which is pretty exciting so developers if you weren't already pumped for dubdub DC there's your official uh starting gun you're going to be able to play with Native Native watch development and and Williams mentioned that that would include access to the health sensors and the digital Crown which means please someone make me a roller skating app please please uh but no I think that's really cool um it's going to be previewed at dubdub and officially out with iOS 9 so developers will have all summer to play with Native apps it'll be interesting um now that we know those are they are officially the SDK is is officially coming at dubdub to see how they're going to position it in regards to battery because definitely native apps I'm guessing are going to potentially take up more battery life than these handoff apps um and also given that the Apple watch has limited storage space uh just how big these these Standalone apps are going to be you mean like Infinity Blade oh God Infinity Blade on the watch the only sorry the only uh video game that I want on the watch if it's going to be that kind of thing I want it like lightsaber style so like I move or if I'm like learning how to do Judo or something so I I have to chop and then the accelerometer sensors say yes you did this 90% efficacy here's the swing that you actually like those kind of games yes deep invigorating 3D Graphics uh-uh no no thank thank you I did play um I played Lifeline last week uh for the Apple watch it's on the both the Apple watch and the iPhone which is this text based Adventure sort of Choose Your Own Adventure game where you you talk to an astronaut and that I thought was a really cool way it's uh sort of time dilated and that was a really cool way of doing games on the watch but no no deeply graphic intensive blah blah no Call of Duty no no John karmac no yeah no I think I interested to see what sort of things could be done I I'm I used to be afraid of battery life but it's so good like I I'm between 50 and 40 every night and I use my Watch a lot so I think that Apple I understand why they were so concerned with battery life but I think maybe they were even they really over under promised and overd delivered so maybe there is more wiggle room I remember with ios7 they were just afraid of letting anybody near the gaussian blur because that was a battery drain but then over time they figured out ways of allowing more of that stuff in and hopefully with the watch they'll yeah so they'll I mean there there's always there's Bad actors on the iPhone still I've got to kill Skype and Facebook occasionally because they just don't play nice and but those I think now are the exception and not the rule yeah absolutely so if I have to kill your app on the Apple watch because you move out of bounds I'm happy to do that because the rest of them will give me functionality yeah and as I said 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an iTunes update but not a major one there was iTunes radio but then they bought beats and so that didn't roll out and it seems like we were almost in a holding pattern last year do you think we're finally past that could we see could we see this fabled new music service at WWDC could we see a better way of doing music on the Mac well I think part of that will depend on the uh the content owners you know if the uh if the music companies um are are are on board with what Apple's doing then great great if the licensing is is being held up then no we won't see it until Apple's ready to uh to to show us that having said that I can tell you that I have been uh agitating for years uh to see iTunes completely blown up I'd like to see apple completely go back to the drawing board and reinvent the music app both on I mean not really on on iOS as much I think it's all right on iOS but uh the the Mac app is just bloated and slow and buggy and uh prone to problems I'd also love to see the 25,000 uh uh track um uh limit for iTunes Match either eradicated or lifted to a significantly Higher One just because I'm bumping up dangerously close to it right now I absolutely um agree with that I think I just had a picture in my mind of little bits of iTunes just being blown up and falling raining down all over all over Peter costic rain yeah I me part of that is I think that they need to really decouple a lot of these services from iTunes and have iTunes the content sort of negotiated separately from ongoing development of the apps like don't worry so much about yeah worry about the content deals but make that one person's job and let the other people just make the best apps possible so if like the Apple TV is ready and the content deal isn't ship the Apple TV if the new version of iTunes is ready and the content deals aren't ship that new version of iTunes and let the content deals fall when they're ready I think that takes pressure off um everybody you know it makes it makes things easier for the engineers for the VPS for every I think probably for Eddie Q too it may just uh it may be something where they feel like they actually have to launch it with those content deals otherwise they don't feel they can make a big enough deal of it or launching with those content deals are how they are twisting other people's arms being like we're going to put this on stage in June and if you're not part of it you're gonna miss out you know I don't know it's it's a lot of it's a lot of contract nonsense which unfortunately is not the most interesting thing to me uh but I I will second Peter in that I am very very much looking forward to potentially a new version of iTunes uh the 8.4 music betas I've been enjoying so far although right now there are some things broken and it makes me sad but hand off for iTunes Ren yeah handoff oh my gosh there was an app called seamless that was made by a developer who later went to work for Apple that did this and it was glorious and oh man that would be so great also um just just putting it out there Sonos make an Apple Watch app and make uh make it handoff compa please add oh please add airpl oh gosh yeah so terrible it'll never happen guys we're dreamers we're not the only ones I hope someday you can join us and wwc can be one don't you remember like one of the first um ads that Apple ever rolled out for I think it was the iPod showed a uh a guy playing take California on his Mac from the propeller heads I think he was he's dancing and then he takes it and then he continues to it and he's listening to it on his iPod and it's like what happened to that we had this future a decade ago come on there you go there you go yeah exctly I actually I actually have my original iPod here because I oh wow it's a click wheeel iPod amazing yeah no this is this is the original five gig yeah jelly y yeah Stephen Hackett did a post for us today on uh on the original iTunes digital Hub sorry the original Mac digital Hub strategy and how it's evolved with iCloud and that is so important to so many people because it's not just all the stuff that I've bought on iTunes but it's all the pictures and videos and everything of of our families and having it on a Mac I think was okay for the time but having it on iCloud and having it other places things like iCloud photo library I think are very much the future and I'm eager I'm eager to see where it goes because iTunes on the cloud is okay but it's not perfect yet like I can't go to a web browser and just access my stuff and play it anywhere and it seems like there's a lot of opportunity but at the same time Apple can only do so many things at once and we just talked about them I mean you know we've heard this the Spiel from Tim Cook and over again about how music is is in Apple's DNA you know time to you know put your money where your mouth DNA up Peter saying right exactly I want to see more of that DNA come on you know I mean if music is really that important to Apple if it if it is you know one of Apple's North Stars to borrow a a tune that or to borrow a a term that I hear entirely too much from Tim um you know I really I I want to see a best-in-class music application and right now iTunes on the Mac anyway is not it uh it's frustrating with all the stuff that it doesn't do or does poorly um or or causes confusion you know it's just it's it's it's a myriad mess it tries to do too much uh it needs to do less and that which it it it it needs to do it needs to do much better so you heard him strap on your helixes and uh get get us some better music stuff to just so that that kind of folds into the Apple TV where we're waiting for the new Hardware there which could include you know a new Aeries processor things like metal a game store maybe a full-on App Store there we talked about this before I'm still not sure I need apps on my Apple TV but I do want games I mean like I don't I know if there's Twitter if there's an app store Twitter will be there day one I just know that kind of stuff will happen what I want is less crud on my Apple TV you know there have been organization well organization absolutely would be key and I mean obviously it's trivial to go into the settings and shut off um the Myriad channels that you don't use and I know I've done that for just about every Sports channel I'm sorry sports fans but I just don't use my Apple TV to watch sports content um because no Bruins because no Bruins exactly uh yeah now that the Bruins are are out of the uh the the NHL uh Stanley out of the NHL oh sorry just yeah there we go uh and you know that now that Tom Brady has benched for the first four games of the uh the NFL season sports are dead to me man man de to me no seriously uh you know there's just a lot of content and that's not the only stuff that that that I'm not interested in there are lifestyle channels that have popped up on Apple TV that I'm not interested in but Apple really doesn't give us a very effective way of organizing that content now and they really need to I'm hoping that between iOS 9 and whatever Apple has up its sleeve for a new Apple TV that that's in the cards what I'm hoping is that that's those sort of new features aren't going to be limited just to a new Apple TV box because I imagine a lot lot of people over the course of the past few months have plunked 70 bucks on a brand new Apple TV and want to see it work for a while I know that my second generation Apple TV is still going strong and it's gone from the living room to the bedroom you know it's been relegated to a secondary position uh but you know I I because I I was one of the many people who who went out and bought the Apple TV when the price dropped so I want to get as much out of that as possible because we' we've been complaining before about how iOS devices are artificially constrained because Apple forces you to uh make your app work on all the different I think now you can you can you can say only metal devices for example but would you would you want a game store that takes full advantage of the latest Hardware or would you want developers to have to make something that also supports maybe not the 720p Apple TV but the 1080p with its M like single core A5 and and eight gigabytes of RAM of I think it's I think it's perfectly reasonable um to to to limit functionality based on what the hardware is capable of doing what I really uh have a hard time with is is when I see uh marketing Le um uh engineering decisions you know decisions that are being made based on uh you know Hardware margins as opposed to what the hardware can actually do we did hear I think Mark wrote about this as well at some point that Apple's changing the way that they're doing some of the development like instead of making a full-flight iOS 9 and then removing things to make it work on iOS on older iOS devices they're making a core set of functionality that will work on all those devices and then you know expanding features upwards which they hope will make and you wrote recently Peter about your iPad 3 which will hopefully make better performance on older devices so I could see I don't know r i could see a situation where some of the new stuff like interfaces available on the older Apper TV but there'll be features that require the new hardware yeah absolutely just like app developers can Target certain devices for the iPhone I feel like they'll be able to say oh well this app will run on the third generation Apple TV and the new Apple TV and and this just requires the new Apple TV if you want to take advantage of these features I think that's going to be okay there are some apps where you're not going to necessarily need super high horsepower an A8 processor or anything crazy like that um but there are also potentially highres games that will need that information we had a few questions here some of these are people asking about um yeah Martin wants to know if you can commit submit an Apple Watch Pro tip yes you can Martin um there's a couple questions here about things uh for things like specific troubleshooting if you're having a problem with your device we can't really fix that on a podcast but if you drop a question into our forums uh or or send it in we can help you with that kind of stuff uh question about HBO so HBO was sort of um Apple's rumored to be working on this big content deal where they'll be able to provide television streaming television Services uh and a wide variety of programming and they they launched in March with HBO um now which basically gives you cart access to HBO's programming I forget what the price is like 15 bucks a month or something and uh John marani wants to know if uh he says that HBO is apparently contemplating a change in pricing to go down to as low as $9 a month um and I guess he's asking about the value of this kind of content I know Ali is busy right now writing an editorial about this but have you guys tried HBO now and are those kind of services on your Apple TV something that interests you I have uh I have HBO Go as part of my cable subscription but yes I'm GNA be when I move and I and my cable subscription I'm going to be switching over to HBO now um there are certain certain shows that I just want to catch that I'm not going to be able to catch uh with you know I don't subscribe really to traditional cable I just have I I literally have basic cable and an HBO subscription uh because it was it the uh the company let me set it up that way so that I didn't cancel television service altogether but uh but there are certain there's certain shows that I want to see you know and that's that's what drives me on television these days is particular shows not particular networks so if a network happens to have a couple of shows that I'm willing to you know that I want to subscribe to I will subscribe to that network if it only has one show that I'm willing to see and if it's if it's not a mustsee you know otherwise Twitter will spoil it kind of show I will just wait until the season's available on iTunes I'm very similar like I like that iTunes has almost everything when it comes to television and movies and I realize that there are notable holdouts but I I I can pretty much just have an iTunes account and get what I want across Music Television and movies I comic books I kind of have to have three or four different accounts right now and I don't like that ra I would much rather there just be one thing that M and I know that's not in the best interest of the content companies but for me as a consumer I imagine Peter like if I had to subscribe to the Warner Brothers service to get Warner like to get Harry Potter movies and the the universal to get you know their movies and I had to manage accounts for everyone of those Serv be maddening for me as a user but it feels like for newer content that's sort of what they want us to do that is and I think it's going to create a lot of exhaustion a lot of consu confusion for consumers what I'm waiting for is Spotify for movies music and TV I mean movies and TV shows for the new ones right it's like the Netflix model but for current TV right exactly and Netflix obviously gets us part of the way there and they're really uh boosting up their original programming with really great content I mean Daredevil uh is something that I'm just watching now I know everybody else saw it a month ago you know but I you know in my copious free time I uh um I prefer to do things like sleep and eat and you know bre right exactly so um you know I'm just catching up on it now but it's given me another reason to pay that 8 every month for Netflix you know and not that there's a shortage of content besides but um you know you could you you've got a limited entertainment budget every month and already I'm tithing uh to Comcast you know unlike uh Ren I have uh one of their fully loaded um uh package deals I think I get every M Movie Channel except for uh ironically the movie channel um so you know whether it's showtime anytime or anywhere whatever it is or HBO Go um I I can pretty much watch whatever content I want um using their apps if I want to on the Apple TV or the iPad or even the Mac now um but to be perfectly Frank with you most of the time I'm watching it on demand from my Comcast DVR itself um so that you know the the barriers to to to how you get your content I don't think um it interests me as much uh technically as they do logistically you know it's it's Comcast insisting on being the gatekeeper or not just Comcast but Time Warner Cable or Cox or Charter or whomever might be my uh cable or dish subscriber uh subscription company of choice being the GateKeeper between me and the content that I want uh that that that is the problem and that's the problem that a lot of people who are new to the Apple TV have you know they they buy the Apple TV or they come in shopping for the Apple TV with the expectation that if I get this I'm going to be able to chop a 100 bucks off my cable bill well no you're not because first of all you're not going to have access to any local programming and you know we've heard rumors that that's something that Apple's working on for the next generation Apple TV or the next generation Apple TV software uh but um more than that you know that that you still have to go through an authorization and verification process for any premium content that you want except for HBO now and you know forthcoming services from other uh uh premium content providers but how old is that going to get when you find that you're spending every month just as much as you were before to get less content than you did before I think that that is uh a pain Point as we say that is going to create a lot of frustration for consumers and it's going to keep them from adopting this in a more widespread fashion I agree uh we got about halfway it's the end of the hour we only got about halfway through our wwc preview uh we do have another show before the show so hopefully we will get uh we will get back to that uh next week uh in the meantime I want to uh find Ali kasmo couldn't join us this week but if you want to you can find her on Twitter IM muggle imim ugle e Peter whereabouts are you I am at flar f l a r g and uh how about you Fen I'm at Saturn s RN on Twitter and Instagram and also floating around on imore and imore TV on Instagram uh you you can find me at R Richie you can find all of us at imore I want to once again thank Dashlane for sponsoring the show Dashlane is free yes free you can download it uh if you go to dashlane.com imore right now it's a password manager it's something everybody needs to have and it's something that at the price of free you absolutely need to check out so just go to dashlane.com imore and never forget another password that's DL n.com o r e thank you everybody thank you everyone for watching and we'll be back next week bye everybody byebye I forgot to do the ads again so I got to do them really quickly okay red hat and dash lane Peter do you have anything piy to say about red hat no nothing nice I'm I'm gonna Dash away unless guys you guys go and I'll take care of this all right sounds good bye by guys thank youhey everyone it is May 27 2015 I'm Renee Richie and right now we're going to talk about an ios8 Unicode bug we're going to talk about Johnny IV being chief of the chief design officer and we're going to talk about WWDC 2015 this is the imore show joining me this week I have from newly tourist uh I guess clogged Cape Cod how are you fine thank you how you do can you leave your driveway still uh yeah now that Memorial Day weekend is over it'll be fine until about Friday at 2m and then we'll just hunker down like animals and hide until the weekend is over again nice also joining us CED calwell who sounds like she's gone from feet of snow to degrees of heat yes it is very muggy here in uh dear old Boston but we're surviving so it's not a dry heat no no it is a muggy heat so I apologize in advance if you hear fan noises it's it's mostly to make sure that I don't pass out ouch all right if anyone sees Ren fall just call 911 all right so quickly off the top of the show earlier today there was an ios8 Unicode rendering bug that was discovered Unicode is an international standard that's used to encode transmit uh decode and render text from all different kinds of countries it can do everything from Arabic script to Chinese characters to the Roman alphabet uh and what was happening was as it was received by uh messages primarily on iOS on the iPhone the uh iPad and the Apple watch and iOS started to render it uh it would cause some sort of error that would crash springboard and it would either just crash the app like the messages app or sometimes it would reboot or respring it's kind of unclear whether it's respringing or reboot um so it's it's it's not exactly clear what's happening but Apple did said that they were aware of it and that they're working on a fix uh usually they're pretty good about pushing these out quickly but they will have to fix whatever bug is in cortex or the Unicode parser whatever part of the code base it is and they will have to do QA on that because the worst thing that can happen is they rush out a fix that has another bug in it that's maybe even worse or just as bad and then we start this whole cycle over again so my guess it will be Qui pretty quick I don't I think we're talking days though and not not hours right Ren yeah unfortunately as as terrible as a bug like this is it's still going to take a little bit of time for engineers to lock down a fix uh I can guarantee that those the engineers in question are probably slaving over their computers right now trying to make sure that their fix doesn't break anything else before they send it out because the last thing you they want to do is send out a a patch that you know fixes this bug but might crash messages on launch or do something horrible like that or maybe disable emojis for everybody that would that would suck too so uh so apple is going to work as hard as they possibly can to get this fixed and straightened out but it may it may take a day hopefully hopefully within 48 Hours fingers crossed yeah I I would love 48 hours I I've come to expect like a week but uh this is a hard one so hopefully they'll do this as quickly as responsibly as possible moving on we have a new Chief design officer at Apple Johnny iv used to be relegated to an off uh I guess an off Loop office where he toiled away making designs for people who didn't appreciate them Steve Jobs got there rescued him they made the iMac together they went on to make the iPod the phone the iPad uh and now Apple has just launched the Apple watch which Johnny Ivan Mark Newsome were integral to and um his reward was I guess it's reward the right way to say it but Peter he is now the new Chief design officer at Apple which I guess is the Second Officer or or sea-level title after Tim Cook CEO and um Luca meistri of the CFO yeah and it kind of makes sense because um a while back uh Johnny's role at Apple expanded from just designing the hardware on products to designing the software that ran on the products as well so um uh you know as his responsibilities have increased the the people that uh that that report to him uh have have increased in multitudes and uh his responsibilities have increased so uh this seems to be a sensible uh uh Evolution or progression of his responsibilities at Apple that hasn't stopped a lot of uh kremlinology as it were a lot of te reading uh about about this whole thing now I saw Ren I don't know about you I saw sort of three broad camps one was people saying this will give him more time with his family more time in England and maybe it's a foot out the door another group was saying this is a consolidation of his power and he's going to be even more influential uh when it comes to Apple another group said that oh this is a great way for Apple to hide johny's likely ever increasing paycheck from Wall Street and another group was sort of it's a lot of things but it's mostly just about Apple recognizing Johnny yeah I I tend to be in the last camp I think it's a mixture of everything um Johnny has for a long time basically been uh in the thick of managing and not creating you know he's gotten some time to do design work uh but clearly he's his design staff has ever growing and I think actually giving him a sea-level St a sea-level position whether it's in name only or otherwise it gives him a little bit more freedom to say oh I'm going to designate people to manage this part of the business now and I am going to focus more on the big picture stuff the overall the the big dreaming and then I'll come by to make sure that everything's running along smoothly and honestly you know uh whether or not Johnny you know stays with the company for another 10 20 uh you know odd years uh having some you know building up the Lesser members of his Design Group I think is actually fantastic because a lot of those people have been working for a long time on iOS and uh and Hardware design and they deserve to be recognized and the more that we can see that you know just like with apple in the in the years before Steve Jobs retirement and uh an eventual death we started to see more of the other sea level Executives and more of the talent behind the the room so to speak that wasn't just Steve Jobs I think we need to see the same thing in design I think Apple at this point has become such a big company that it needs to show the world a little bit that Johnny is not the only person at Apple who is designing the big revolutionary products and that there's a staff and a team and those people do amazing work and if Johnny decides to leave at any point in the future that it's in good hands yeah I think that's really true and I think I think there's been a couple things that were super interesting recently one was that they brought Mark Nome on board in official capacity and Johnny and I have used to collaborate extensively with Steve Jobs to the point where Steve Jobs would have so many opinions Johnny would maybe ask him to stop at times but um he didn't have that collaborator posted jobs because that's not the kind of personality other people at Apple are but Mark Nome is someone he could collaborate with but he couldn't really share anything proprietary uh to Apple or subject to NDA at Apple and now Mark Nome is officially part of that machine so maybe him just having that sort of kindred spirit on the design uh side saves a lot of things simultaneously there was that big profile of Johnny around the Apple watch launch in the I think it was the New Yorker um where it it was an extensive profile about him and it talked about how he just even recently he designs like the tables at the at Cafe Max and in and in the retail stores he his his design expanse is vast it's way more than just an iPhone but now he has Richard hoar who I'm hope I'm pronouncing that right who is a longtime industrial design Johnny I used to run industrial design and then when Tim Cook came over move Scott forest all out he gave Johnny IV all of he gave him uh human interface as well uh which used to be separate and siloed and not quite as centrally managed and there were people like Greg Christie and baser and all whole bunch of people there running it but they started to fade away and um Johnny I brought Allan di on who was doing marketing um to work on iOS 7 and that famously has a much I don't want to say print inspired look but it is a very clean very typographical very high density sort of look and Allan I went on to the Apple watch Project and now you have Richard Hoth who's going to become the new VP or sorry who is the new VP of industrial design and you have Alan Dy who's a new VP of human interface and they both report to Johnny but the data managerial tasks fall to um D and hoar and I think Ren that's that's a way better setup for someone like Johnny I yeah absolutely I think I mean Johnny's big uh Johnny's big contribut uh contribution to the company is his overall design vision and if he can get spend more time on that and uh less time on the day-to-day of the tweaking and the individual you know bit by bit I think that will be a great thing and also you know what giving him giving him recognition of all the work that he's done I've never actually seen a CDO as a as a main job title before you know we hear we hear about the big ones we hear about the CEOs we hear about the financial officers the CFOs occasionally we'll hear about marketing officers CMOS um but having a chief design officer I think is a really a really big show of faith in Johnny and maybe maybe it is something where you know it is a move by Apple to fully show Johnny just how valued he is at the company and I mean we don't know yet if that comes along Ong with some shares or anything like that restricted stock units we'll find out during the next yeah exactly a new house it's super interesting the the CDO title sort of I think it started in 2012 Le that's when I first saw I think it was Pepsi or somebody who came up with it but it was a recognition that that is what how you communicate as much as marketings and as much as some of the other other divisions uh design is how you communicate your product and it was super important and I think very few companies still have it um again and Apple has very few se- level executives one of the things Peter that always fascinated me though is uh over time bad things can happen to artists maybe that's the wrong way of putting it like Bill Waterson famously walked away from Calvin and OBS he just feel he felt like he was done and didn't want the spotlight anymore and just as famously George Lucas went on to make the prequels because he felt like you know he knew what was best and didn't need to listen to people anymore and it seems like as much as this is everything else this is also sort of keeping Johnny in a position where he can be most effective and doesn't feel like rage quitting and doesn't feel like or isn't put in the position to make products that aren't any good one would hope I mean you know we can argue back and forth about or not back and forth but we can argue at nauseum uh really on the internet and elsewhere about uh Johnny IV's overall importance to um Apple's success over the years but there's no question that he's made a very very indelible um statement about uh design on Apple's products so um you if if if making him CDO uh help secure that for a while longer or um you know whatever improves uh the situation than great the interesting thing for me is that um this move was um leaked or announced on Monday right by Stephen Fry Yeah by Stephen Fry of all people the the comedian the rack onour the author um and the the very wellestablished Apple enthusiast has been seen at a number of Apple events in the past um but uh you know it it it would have seemed anyway to be a a statement or a a a move that was somehow positioned at uh Wall Street analysts and others but there really hasn't been much of a Wall Street reaction to the news so um to that end I'm not I'm not sure if it's inside baseball or what know I think I don't know I don't know if you have take on this run but I think that apple is just such a big company and they're very almost gunshy31 time there was a change with Johnny I we got iOS 7 and then y70 and we got the Apple watch which I think all of like you can you can debate the individual things like affordance and color palet and uh workflow and things like that but I think it's it's it was a huge change for Apple a very interesting one and one that's enabled a lot of really cool things and I I want to see what happens with Johnny I as as CD and with Richard Hoth and uh I hope you get those names right and Allen Dy as the new VPS I think if nothing else we're in for interesting times absolutely and we can't forget the mysterious project Titan lurking in the shadows uh and whether or not this uh this move will allow Johnny to maybe focus a little bit on that um TBD on what that actually is but yeah but that's true too like I think like he said he's gonna be working uh on Apple campus 2 he's going to be working with Angela Ern on the new retail store and I I don't know if it's clear whether that's a complete redesign or or a steady Evolution but also there is the watch which he was super passionate about and there is Project Titan which is probably an area he's super interested in too so there's a lot of like there's a lot of other things there that could interest him and maybe just signing off on on productivity reports all day was getting in the way of all that I take a quick break so I can tell you about red hat red hat is tried tested and trusted it is literally Linux with no fuss and no mus so um open source is not news 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red has absolutely something to look at I used to work in Enterprise I worked Enterprise for decades and um we had red hat around all the time so red hat build on it run with it count on it I want to thank red hat for sponsoring the show moving on to WWDC um we are how far are we like eight days nine days yeah we're getting close oh God panic panic no one nobody needs to panic we are so yeah I mean it's I was just going over the list of things and there looks like there's so many things we talked about some of them before but I think it's probably good to focus on a few of them uh just to list out I mean I'm expecting at least iOS 9 OS 10 10.11 probably the Apple TV refresh uh the homekit uh update um information about the next version of of watch OS the SDK for or at least the preview of the Native SDK for the watch uh anything else anything else on the agenda oh God yeah uh I mean there's a lot right I I feel like also we're talking about the sort of inside within all of this did you mention Swift I think we'll probably hear some more about Swift yeah yeah um there's there's a lot and before everybody goes oh well that sounds like too much for a dubdub DC remember what they Unleashed on us last year yeah I uh no I I think they have they have quite a slate of things that they could potentially talk about uh we just heard uh today Mark Gman broke yet another rumor about perhaps a Google now uh competitor to uh for for Apple that incorporates Siri and Spotlight and a whole bunch of other stuff so we may hear about that we may hear about transit directions and maps and iOS with the with the Siri thing so this interests me a lot because Apple has always been technically or theoretically able to do this because they have access to vast amounts of data Maybe not the exact same kinds of data that Google does a lot of data both on your device and on iCloud but they haven't wanted to be involved with comingling data on the cloud it's been a policy decision they wanted to you ask a question they give you an answer and at no point do they conduct operations on your data on their servers and this would seem to be a change in that policy well yes and no I think that there are ways to get a Google Now like experience that don't necessarily data mine uh you look at what the today's screen is doing currently where it's taking your calendar information yes excuse me it's taking your calendar information allergies um but it is also doing so with your explicit permission and I think that that's a that's the major thing is that this kind of a feature if it exists and if it's going to roll out an iOS 9 we're probably going to get some explicit opt-ins where it's like would you like apple to have your calendar information would you like apple to be able to integrate your contacts Siri uses a lot of your personal information but it an anonymizes it when it goes up the cloud and I imagine that will stay the same with this is that it will be encrypted and it will not be it will not be device or it will be device linked maybe and not necessarily Cloud LED yeah I think you're right like for example when I got my Nexus 5 I turned it on it said you want to use Google Now I said hell yeah because it's a great service and then I said can we monitor all your web techn your web traffic and I said no uh because like I have nothing to hide but I also don't need Google to do that this just not what I want from them and they said then you can't use Google Now which to me felt like BS because there's a lot of stuff they can provide me without monitoring my web traffic uh maybe I'm wrong about that but that's just what it felt like to me absolutely and I think Cortana if I if I recall walks a a closer line but I maybe there is wiggle room in between what Google wants to do where it devours everything and what Apple can do selectively yeah I don't know um it's a tough question because I would feel comfortable uh share like for example it knows my the stuff locally on the device there's a lot of things it can do that it's not doing yet and that was that famous thing that Roger mnam mnam M yeah mnam said back in the Palm Pre dayss that we know your schedule we should be able to tell you that traffic is going late you've got to leave now um and everyone's been trying to realize that and that is just traffic and and calendar and location and all these things together some of the things I don't like is some Services want access to your email and they pre-read your email sort through it and say you have a like you've got got an email here from Air Canada or virgin or Delta or something we're going to just consume that and then add that to your to your alert card we're going to go through and pick out and that to me feels kind of intrusive and I don't and I know that that's the price you pay for that service and if I had Jarvis in my house Jarvis would know as many uncomfortable things about me as he knows about Tony Stark right now uh I I just maybe I'm just scared and need to be eased into it yeah well here's the thing I think that Apple can strike a happy medium and I actually think most of these companies can strike a happy medium if they're willing to do so you look at what the stuff that Apple can already recognize in emails where it has that contextual support and we saw this most recently with Force Touch where if you see an you know if an email shows up certain things like addresses for instance you can force touch on them and they'll pop up in maps or you know contacts you can automatically add from there it can recognize dates and turn them into a calendar invite so I think that Apple could actually get around this rather than doing the automatic raise your email super creepy thing it could do the same thing that like say when you have a passbook attached to your mail uh your email where you scroll through and then there's a little Banner at the top that says hey this looks like a flight would you like it would you like us to add it to your map and your calendar hey this looks like a dinner date would you like us to add it to your calendar and that way it's an individual opt-in thing and not just we blanket reading your email it's more a quick contextual Thing by thing happening Peter you're my kagin am I am I overreacting to this um no I don't think so I mean you know it it Apple's got to evolve uh the the technology to keep up with uh with what's going on and you know there's always going to be that tension between uh between you know providing utility and convenience and making sure that data is secure um so I think that's a valid concern but you know the the bottom line is that Apple has consistently from the start I think separated itself from the competition by saying look your data um isn't being used to sell you things your data isn't being manipulated by us for nefarious purposes so don't worry about that I don't think that that's going to change anytime soon yeah my tin foil hat says that you know with Google Apple Facebook all these companies that it's not just what they do now but the minute you give them your data you've got to be concerned about what happens 20 50 years from now um but that that kind of thinking will drive you crazy uh there's also talk of a Siri API which you know a friend of the show guy English kind of explained years ago the challenges is with that where you have multiple if you have fantastic H and maybe calendar Plus or calendar 5 installed in your computer your iPhone how do you know which one gets to take which action without making it honorous but without causing collisions so there's a lot of challenges around that but that's also how you get that extra functionality right now I use Siri especially on my Apple watch for almost everything on my iPhone for a lot of things but anything past an app is a black box Siri just can't can't really access it it can launch it but that's it and allowing to like if I could just say overcast play the imore show or if I could just say fantastic Al add an appointment blah blah blah and yeah there's there's workarounds now but that would make it much better I just I don't want to expect too much because I realize how hard a task that is yeah I think that there's a lot of Truth to that um you know for me for my part I would settle for Siri just being more reliable and being able to interpret the the data that I'm inputting a little bit more effectively because uh sometimes I've noticed that that that that Siri just doesn't parse uh what I'm asking it or telling it accurately or it doesn't follow up uh the way that I think that it should um when you know I've I've I I'm trying to get it to to sort of do compound steps to things and that's the sort of intelligence that I would like to see out of an intelligent assistant that I'm not seeing on a Siri right now yeah I think that's true I'd also like to see Siri come to Mac because we've heard for a long time especially from people with accessibility needs that the ability to have that voice control is is really important to them especially if they have blind if they're blind or or they have visual impairments and not having on the Mac makes the Mac actually less accessible to them than an iOS device and parody there would be super great to see absolutely yeah I mean par you know having some kind of Siri interface on the Mac even if it's through handoff uh might be very useful um you know obviously the Mac has serish capabilities and fits and starts um you know dictation certainly fills in some of the blanks there and and um uh Spotlight uh is getting more and more intelligent and apple isn't waiting for major uh monolithic operating system updates to to improve Spotlight uh you know spotlights uh ability to return useful usable actionable information based on what's on your MacIntosh and what's also on the web has been improving incrementally as Apple improves the services that run spotlight so you know I I think we're we're seeing it sort of inexorably move to that but yeah it'd be really nice to talk to my Macintosh uh and have it do things because I can't think of a better way to irritate the person sitting next to me at Starbucks I think that's very true and ren you were also mentioning Transit which is another huge challenge because and we talked about this before every municipality I mean some municipalities treat those as crown jewels and want total control over them and it's really hard to go door too and sort of get all that data but Apple's been buying companies even so Mark wrote about this recently that only it's only going to launch in in a handful of cities yeah well I mean just like the original Maps app only launched uh did fly hour data and things like that and even its traffic data wasn't great until a year after launch it takes time to roll the stuff out people don't necessarily think about this because they're like oh well Google Maps has been great forever but really Google Maps has had decades at this point to put together their archive uh and Apple started mapping what in 201 2011 um with the with the roll out of iOS 5 uh so it's been a they they haven't really had all that much experience building that kind of archive so it makes sense especially given the you know the the general feeling around maps that they start limited and they start selective and then they build it out from there there are still plenty of great thirdparty apps that have access to Transit data if they're going to launch a Transit service it needs to be Rock Solid yeah no I agree 100% about that uh maps are something that everyone takes super seriously now I've actually been really enjoying maps on the Apple watch more than I thought I would uh because it's and app because Apple owns that stack now and they can do things like I I start directions on my phone and I feel them on my watch or I start them on my watch and then I suddenly hear them on the phone and that sort of stuff is super powerful absolutely although I have to say I for the first couple weeks that I was testing it I was terrified that it wasn't going to direct me the right way so I was definitely like looking at it every few seconds and now I've kind of just started to relax and let myself go um and let myself trust the watch and the the turns although I will say things that I would like to see in the future from Apple watch and traffic and Maps would be a better indication of traffic and specifically alternate routes that's one place I think that map Google Maps still hold Superior in maps I know when I'm driving between um between Northern in Southern New England I often go to Google Maps over the regular maps app because that gives me a much better upto-date version of my traffic and my daily patterns and oh take this route and you'll save five minutes so I'm kind of hoping that we see that maybe in iOS 9 yeah no I'd love to see that as well yeah anything else on the iOS 9 list while we're talking about it um I know there was a ton of of oh god well we've been doing our wish lists forever um there's a there's a lot of potential stuff there one of the big ones is a couple couple things that they've been working on for a while is the security stuff and you know they've got an incredible security team in place now and they're doing a lot of stuff to further lock down the system and prevent uh malware and other sorts of attacks from getting in there and just generally to make us safer and more secure and also um no surprise to anybody they've push stuff out stuff that they've been working on for years has been pushed further out so they could really focus on stability I haven't heard any like I've heard that for iOS 9 for sure I haven't heard much about os10 uh1 but because I haven't heard that much about it Peter I wonder if that's going to be a major Focus there as well you know it it it'd be smart I can tell you from my experience working in uh the Apple retailer that I do that we see customers come in every day who are afflicted with malware problems Adwear has become a very serious problem on the Mac and let me say this unequivocally so there's no misunderstanding um if if you continue to hold to the old Canard that uh apples or that Macs are virus proof uh you're lying to yourself and you're lying to anybody that you say it to viruses as it were may not be a thing but malware and adwar is definitely a pervasive problem on the Macintosh it's a huge problem especially for people uh who may visit websites indiscriminately and click on things indiscriminately now obviously there are a lot of things that you can do um just in terms of best practices and we've written about a ton of them um uh to to secure your system from getting malware and to reduce the likelihood that malware will infect your computer uh but the bottom line is you still need to be cautious Vigilant and careful and you do need to scan your computer every so often you know even in my own house you know I would expect my my family members of anybody uh to be more inured to this sort of thing than anyone else but I found malware on my wife's computer I found malware on uh my kids computers and I haven't found malware on my own computer yet um but uh I figure it's only a matter of time so uh Apple has you know done a fairly good job of uh securing the operating system in very fundamental very uh foundational ways uh to make it more secure than it was before and more secure than what the competition could offer at the time I'm talking about Technologies like gatekeeper for example um but uh they they need to do a lot more they need to do a lot more and until then devices or or apps like adware medic for example uh Bit Defender clam xav and others um are absolutely should be a vital part of every Mac uses toolkit they should employ them on a regular basis to make sure that their machine is free of any kind of problems one of the things Mark talked about is something called rootless which would be a way for people to run um basically a lot of people run as administrator now uh and they have rout access and there's it's Peter can explain more deeply if you wants to wants to get into terminal and sudu and stuff like that but essentially not everyone needs that that sort of stuff and rootless would let you run with the ability to do the things that most people need to do most of the time but restrict access to any actual root level Machine level um commands which means that a malware that comes in it would be boxed off more it would not be able to get into the subsystems and do the sort of and damage things to the extent that they were uh that they were possible to damage under a full admin access system so that is really cool and it sort of continues this trend of sandboxing and other Technologies for as much as we've complained about them because they may not have enough entitlements um for all the kinds of apps that we want are still making things a safer place and that's sort of the iOS model where if something bad does get in it sort of can't infect it so you have those two areas you need you want Apple to prevent as much malware coming in as as they can and they do that through updating the definitions of the built-in malware tools but if something does manage to get through like a zero day exploit or something else you want to limit its ability to get into the system and to get into other apps and extensibility was built with this in mind and a lot of the systems were built with this kind of Security in mind and I'm sort of I'm so happy that apple is making security and and privacy a feature because it really is smart competitively because it's hard for companies like Google and Facebook to say the same things given how they're how they make their money compared to how Apple makes their money and also it it suits my interests as a user I just want much much more of it yeah I'm inclined to agree uh all right so um moving along then for the Mac anything else you're looking forward to for 10. 111 I mean um some people have used the old snow leopard thing I keep saying snow leopard was a massive change but I think what they mean is that they want Apple to focus on stability yeah exactly I want Apple to focus on stability as well and uh the interesting thing is we just had a c change with the latest 10.14 beta I don't know if you want to talk about that now Rene or talk about that later okay um the the 10.14 beta that dropped this week introduced a fundamental change to the way that networking specifically DNS networking is managed uh on the Macintosh a software uh uh uh process that uh was introduced with the oy called Discovery d uh seemed to cause a lot more trouble than it was worth um we've we talked about this before and so have other uh so have developers uh on social networks people like Craig hackenberry and Marco armant have talked about it as well Discovery D is a technology that uh enables the Mac to um uh wake from sleep over the network so if you've got a sleeping Mac that you need to get files from and uh you want to be able to do it uh remotely you use that bonjour uh Apple's zero configuration networking technology uh uses it and uh uh other uh really important foundational uh uh functions in the operating system uh make use of it as well but Discovery D has also been uh the source of a lot of problems if you've had a problem with your Mac waking from sleep and just seeing a cursor on a black screen or never seeing a login screen at all until you restart Discovery D might be the problem if you've uh noticed that your fans spin up for no apparent reason or that uh you you open up activity monitor and you find that Discovery D has pegged uh one of your processor cores into the red that's a problem uh these are all problems that have been linked back to Discovery D well 10.14 the latest beta the beta that just came out this week uh has replaced Discovery D altogether with mdns responder which is the technology that's been around on the Macintosh since 2002 when 10 2 Jaguar was released uh mdns responder um doesn't do all the same things that Discovery D does as I understand it may not necessarily be as efficient um from an energy standpoint as Discovery D does but it does work more solidly and just since upgrading yesterday and I admit I've got only at this point about 24 hours of experience I'm noticing fewer problems on in my own Mac and my own local network uh with my Mac updated um to the latest 10.10 4 beta this this is a very interesting change Apple you know famously is a black box I think is your word for it Renee when it comes to this sort of thing we've uh seen developers and users alike complain for months about the problems that they've been having with this technology but Apple has said absolutely nothing on the record about it and that's not at all uh unusual for Apple but it still creates a lot of frustration for people who are having the problem know what the problem is can report on the problem but can't really seem to affect change replacing Discovery D with mdns responder is a hack that has been uh talked about in developer forms for months but it requires root access it requires access to the command line terminal which is a comfort level that many many Mac users um are not at uh so it's not something that I've ever reported on it's not something that is in sort of widespread distribution right now but Apple seems to have taken that approach replacing uh Discovery D with with mdns responder alog together we'll see if this is a permanent change or just something that that Apple does until it works out the Kingson Discovery D but my point is this yose for all of its benefits with handoff and continuity and the rest uh and and a new um uh thoroughly retina optimized user interface and everything uh introduced some serious flaws for many users um and uh you know the the the snow leopard point that I think many of us including myself have made is that uh you know maybe Apple needs to lay off the Fe features a little bit and you know we've got a little bit of feature exhaustion and just focus on getting the fundamentals right so it'll be very interesting to see Craig federi uh on stage at WWDC in a week and a half uh to see what he has to say about that yeah I think um and the only only issue I take with snow leopard is that it you know it did do grow at Grand Central Dispatch and exchange and it I think people get the wrong idea and think that it really is the marketing slogan of no new features but I think what you're saying a lot of people are saying is we want some of those temples or maybe even a large number those temples to be what they did with iCloud you know the Mula a couple years ago where they said this hasn't worked the way we wanted and this is what we're doing and we're going to regain your trust with this honestly in plain language I'm fine with apple introducing new features I just don't want them to have faet yeah uh Ren you also mentioned um Apple watch earlier and maybe Apple watch SDK for the native stuff yeah in fact Jeff Williams just uh just got on the stage at the code conference uh to announce that there will in fact be a develop a preview of full native Apple watch apps uh which is pretty exciting so developers if you weren't already pumped for dubdub DC there's your official uh starting gun you're going to be able to play with Native Native watch development and and Williams mentioned that that would include access to the health sensors and the digital Crown which means please someone make me a roller skating app please please uh but no I think that's really cool um it's going to be previewed at dubdub and officially out with iOS 9 so developers will have all summer to play with Native apps it'll be interesting um now that we know those are they are officially the SDK is is officially coming at dubdub to see how they're going to position it in regards to battery because definitely native apps I'm guessing are going to potentially take up more battery life than these handoff apps um and also given that the Apple watch has limited storage space uh just how big these these Standalone apps are going to be you mean like Infinity Blade oh God Infinity Blade on the watch the only sorry the only uh video game that I want on the watch if it's going to be that kind of thing I want it like lightsaber style so like I move or if I'm like learning how to do Judo or something so I I have to chop and then the accelerometer sensors say yes you did this 90% efficacy here's the swing that you actually like those kind of games yes deep invigorating 3D Graphics uh-uh no no thank thank you I did play um I played Lifeline last week uh for the Apple watch it's on the both the Apple watch and the iPhone which is this text based Adventure sort of Choose Your Own Adventure game where you you talk to an astronaut and that I thought was a really cool way it's uh sort of time dilated and that was a really cool way of doing games on the watch but no no deeply graphic intensive blah blah no Call of Duty no no John karmac no yeah no I think I interested to see what sort of things could be done I I'm I used to be afraid of battery life but it's so good like I I'm between 50 and 40 every night and I use my Watch a lot so I think that Apple I understand why they were so concerned with battery life but I think maybe they were even they really over under promised and overd delivered so maybe there is more wiggle room I remember with ios7 they were just afraid of letting anybody near the gaussian blur because that was a battery drain but then over time they figured out ways of allowing more of that stuff in and hopefully with the watch they'll yeah so they'll I mean there there's always there's Bad actors on the iPhone still I've got to kill Skype and Facebook occasionally because they just don't play nice and but those I think now are the exception 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it give it a look thanks Dashlane one of the things I'm looking forward to Peter we went through all of last year with barely hearing a word from iTunes I mean we didn't get iTunes for continuity we didn't we got an iTunes update but not a major one there was iTunes radio but then they bought beats and so that didn't roll out and it seems like we were almost in a holding pattern last year do you think we're finally past that could we see could we see this fabled new music service at WWDC could we see a better way of doing music on the Mac well I think part of that will depend on the uh the content owners you know if the uh if the music companies um are are are on board with what Apple's doing then great great if the licensing is is being held up then no we won't see it until Apple's ready to uh to to show us that having said that I can tell you that I have been uh agitating for years uh to see iTunes completely blown up I'd like to see apple completely go back to the drawing board and reinvent the music app both on I mean not really on on iOS as much I think it's all right on iOS but uh the the Mac app is just bloated and slow and buggy and uh prone to problems I'd also love to see the 25,000 uh uh track um uh limit for iTunes Match either eradicated or lifted to a significantly Higher One just because I'm bumping up dangerously close to it right now I absolutely um agree with that I think I just had a picture in my mind of little bits of iTunes just being blown up and falling raining down all over all over Peter costic rain yeah I me part of that is I think that they need to really decouple a lot of these services from iTunes and have iTunes the content sort of negotiated separately from ongoing development of the apps like don't worry so much about yeah worry about the content deals but make that one person's job and let the other people just make the best apps possible so if like the Apple TV is ready and the content deal isn't ship the Apple TV if the new version of iTunes is ready and the content deals aren't ship that new version of iTunes and let the content deals fall when they're ready I think that takes pressure off um everybody you know it makes it makes things easier for the engineers for the VPS for every I think probably for Eddie Q too it may just uh it may be something where they feel like they actually have to launch it with those content deals otherwise they don't feel they can make a big enough deal of it or launching with those content deals are how they are twisting other people's arms being like we're going to put this on stage in June and if you're not part of it you're gonna miss out you know I don't know it's it's a lot of it's a lot of contract nonsense which unfortunately is not the most interesting thing to me uh but I I will second Peter in that I am very very much looking forward to potentially a new version of iTunes uh the 8.4 music betas I've been enjoying so far although right now there are some things broken and it makes me sad but hand off for iTunes Ren yeah handoff oh my gosh there was an app called seamless that was made by a developer who later went to work for Apple that did this and it was glorious and oh man that would be so great also um just just putting it out there Sonos make an Apple Watch app and make uh make it handoff compa please add oh please add airpl oh gosh yeah so terrible it'll never happen guys we're dreamers we're not the only ones I hope someday you can join us and wwc can be one don't you remember like one of the first um ads that Apple ever rolled out for I think it was the iPod showed a uh a guy playing take California on his Mac from the propeller heads I think he was he's dancing and then he takes it and then he continues to it and he's listening to it on his iPod and it's like what happened to that we had this future a decade ago come on there you go there you go yeah exctly I actually I actually have my original iPod here because I oh wow it's a click wheeel iPod amazing yeah no this is this is the original five gig yeah jelly y yeah Stephen Hackett did a post for us today on uh on the original iTunes digital Hub sorry the original Mac digital Hub strategy and how it's evolved with iCloud and that is so important to so many people because it's not just all the stuff that I've bought on iTunes but it's all the pictures and videos and everything of of our families and having it on a Mac I think was okay for the time but having it on iCloud and having it other places things like iCloud photo library I think are very much the future and I'm eager I'm eager to see where it goes because iTunes on the cloud is okay but it's not perfect yet like I can't go to a web browser and just access my stuff and play it anywhere and it seems like there's a lot of opportunity but at the same time Apple can only do so many things at once and we just talked about them I mean you know we've heard this the Spiel from Tim Cook and over again about how music is is in Apple's DNA you know time to you know put your money where your mouth DNA up Peter saying right exactly I want to see more of that DNA come on you know I mean if music is really that important to Apple if it if it is you know one of Apple's North Stars to borrow a a tune that or to borrow a a term that I hear entirely too much from Tim um you know I really I I want to see a best-in-class music application and right now iTunes on the Mac anyway is not it uh it's frustrating with all the stuff that it doesn't do or does poorly um or or causes confusion you know it's just it's it's it's a myriad mess it tries to do too much uh it needs to do less and that which it it it it needs to do it needs to do much better so you heard him strap on your helixes and uh get get us some better music stuff to just so that that kind of folds into the Apple TV where we're waiting for the new Hardware there which could include you know a new Aeries processor things like metal a game store maybe a full-on App Store there we talked about this before I'm still not sure I need apps on my Apple TV but I do want games I mean like I don't I know if there's Twitter if there's an app store Twitter will be there day one I just know that kind of stuff will happen what I want is less crud on my Apple TV you know there have been organization well organization absolutely would be key and I mean obviously it's trivial to go into the settings and shut off um the Myriad channels that you don't use and I know I've done that for just about every Sports channel I'm sorry sports fans but I just don't use my Apple TV to watch sports content um because no Bruins because no Bruins exactly uh yeah now that the Bruins are are out of the uh the the NHL uh Stanley out of the NHL oh sorry just yeah there we go uh and you know that now that Tom Brady has benched for the first four games of the uh the NFL season sports are dead to me man man de to me no seriously uh you know there's just a lot of content and that's not the only stuff that that that I'm not interested in there are lifestyle channels that have popped up on Apple TV that I'm not interested in but Apple really doesn't give us a very effective way of organizing that content now and they really need to I'm hoping that between iOS 9 and whatever Apple has up its sleeve for a new Apple TV that that's in the cards what I'm hoping is that that's those sort of new features aren't going to be limited just to a new Apple TV box because I imagine a lot lot of people over the course of the past few months have plunked 70 bucks on a brand new Apple TV and want to see it work for a while I know that my second generation Apple TV is still going strong and it's gone from the living room to the bedroom you know it's been relegated to a secondary position uh but you know I I because I I was one of the many people who who went out and bought the Apple TV when the price dropped so I want to get as much out of that as possible because we' we've been complaining before about how iOS devices are artificially constrained because Apple forces you to uh make your app work on all the different I think now you can you can you can say only metal devices for example but would you would you want a game store that takes full advantage of the latest Hardware or would you want developers to have to make something that also supports maybe not the 720p Apple TV but the 1080p with its M like single core A5 and and eight gigabytes of RAM of I think it's I think it's perfectly reasonable um to to to limit functionality based on what the hardware is capable of doing what I really uh have a hard time with is is when I see uh marketing Le um uh engineering decisions you know decisions that are being made based on uh you know Hardware margins as opposed to what the hardware can actually do we did hear I think Mark wrote about this as well at some point that Apple's changing the way that they're doing some of the development like instead of making a full-flight iOS 9 and then removing things to make it work on iOS on older iOS devices they're making a core set of functionality that will work on all those devices and then you know expanding features upwards which they hope will make and you wrote recently Peter about your iPad 3 which will hopefully make better performance on older devices so I could see I don't know r i could see a situation where some of the new stuff like interfaces available on the older Apper TV but there'll be features that require the new hardware yeah absolutely just like app developers can Target certain devices for the iPhone I feel like they'll be able to say oh well this app will run on the third generation Apple TV and the new Apple TV and and this just requires the new Apple TV if you want to take advantage of these features I think that's going to be okay there are some apps where you're not going to necessarily need super high horsepower an A8 processor or anything crazy like that um but there are also potentially highres games that will need that information we had a few questions here some of these are people asking about um yeah Martin wants to know if you can commit submit an Apple Watch Pro tip yes you can Martin um there's a couple questions here about things uh for things like specific troubleshooting if you're having a problem with your device we can't really fix that on a podcast but if you drop a question into our forums uh or or send it in we can help you with that kind of stuff uh question about HBO so HBO was sort of um Apple's rumored to be working on this big content deal where they'll be able to provide television streaming television Services uh and a wide variety of programming and they they launched in March with HBO um now which basically gives you cart access to HBO's programming I forget what the price is like 15 bucks a month or something and uh John marani wants to know if uh he says that HBO is apparently contemplating a change in pricing to go down to as low as $9 a month um and I guess he's asking about the value of this kind of content I know Ali is busy right now writing an editorial about this but have you guys tried HBO now and are those kind of services on your Apple TV something that interests you I have uh I have HBO Go as part of my cable subscription but yes I'm GNA be when I move and I and my cable subscription I'm going to be switching over to HBO now um there are certain certain shows that I just want to catch that I'm not going to be able to catch uh with you know I don't subscribe really to traditional cable I just have I I literally have basic cable and an HBO subscription uh because it was it the uh the company let me set it up that way so that I didn't cancel television service altogether but uh but there are certain there's certain shows that I want to see you know and that's that's what drives me on television these days is particular shows not particular networks so if a network happens to have a couple of shows that I'm willing to you know that I want to subscribe to I will subscribe to that network if it only has one show that I'm willing to see and if it's if it's not a mustsee you know otherwise Twitter will spoil it kind of show I will just wait until the season's available on iTunes I'm very similar like I like that iTunes has almost everything when it comes to television and movies and I realize that there are notable holdouts but I I I can pretty much just have an iTunes account and get what I want across Music Television and movies I comic books I kind of have to have three or four different accounts right now and I don't like that ra I would much rather there just be one thing that M and I know that's not in the best interest of the content companies but for me as a consumer I imagine Peter like if I had to subscribe to the Warner Brothers service to get Warner like to get Harry Potter movies and the the universal to get you know their movies and I had to manage accounts for everyone of those Serv be maddening for me as a user but it feels like for newer content that's sort of what they want us to do that is and I think it's going to create a lot of exhaustion a lot of consu confusion for consumers what I'm waiting for is Spotify for movies music and TV I mean movies and TV shows for the new ones right it's like the Netflix model but for current TV right exactly and Netflix obviously gets us part of the way there and they're really uh boosting up their original programming with really great content I mean Daredevil uh is something that I'm just watching now I know everybody else saw it a month ago you know but I you know in my copious free time I uh um I prefer to do things like sleep and eat and you know bre right exactly so um you know I'm just catching up on it now but it's given me another reason to pay that 8 every month for Netflix you know and not that there's a shortage of content besides but um you know you could you you've got a limited entertainment budget every month and already I'm tithing uh to Comcast you know unlike uh Ren I have uh one of their fully loaded um uh package deals I think I get every M Movie Channel except for uh ironically the movie channel um so you know whether it's showtime anytime or anywhere whatever it is or HBO Go um I I can pretty much watch whatever content I want um using their apps if I want to on the Apple TV or the iPad or even the Mac now um but to be perfectly Frank with you most of the time I'm watching it on demand from my Comcast DVR itself um so that you know the the barriers to to to how you get your content I don't think um it interests me as much uh technically as they do logistically you know it's it's Comcast insisting on being the gatekeeper or not just Comcast but Time Warner Cable or Cox or Charter or whomever might be my uh cable or dish subscriber uh subscription company of choice being the GateKeeper between me and the content that I want uh that that that is the problem and that's the problem that a lot of people who are new to the Apple TV have you know they they buy the Apple TV or they come in shopping for the Apple TV with the expectation that if I get this I'm going to be able to chop a 100 bucks off my cable bill well no you're not because first of all you're not going to have access to any local programming and you know we've heard rumors that that's something that Apple's working on for the next generation Apple TV or the next generation Apple TV software uh but um more than that you know that that you still have to go through an authorization and verification process for any premium content that you want except for HBO now and you know forthcoming services from other uh uh premium content providers but how old is that going to get when you find that you're spending every month just as much as you were before to get less content than you did before I think that that is uh a pain Point as we say that is going to create a lot of frustration for consumers and it's going to keep them from adopting this in a more widespread fashion I agree uh we got about halfway it's the end of the hour we only got about halfway through our wwc preview uh we do have another show before the show so hopefully we will get uh we will get back to that uh next week uh in the meantime I want to uh find Ali kasmo couldn't join us this week but if you want to you can find her on Twitter IM muggle imim ugle e Peter whereabouts are you I am at flar f l a r g and uh how about you Fen I'm at Saturn s RN on Twitter and Instagram and also floating around on imore and imore TV on Instagram uh you you can find me at R Richie you can find all of us at imore I want to once again thank Dashlane for sponsoring the show Dashlane is free yes free you can download it uh if you go to dashlane.com imore right now it's a password manager it's something everybody needs to have and it's something that at the price of free you absolutely need to check out so just go to dashlane.com imore and never forget another password that's DL n.com o r e thank you everybody thank you everyone for watching and we'll be back next week bye everybody byebye I forgot to do the ads again so I got to do them really quickly okay red hat and dash lane Peter do you have anything piy to say about red hat no nothing nice I'm I'm gonna Dash away unless guys you guys go and I'll take care of this all right sounds good bye by guys thank you\n"