**The Struggle is Real: A PC Upgrade Gone Wrong**

As a dad, I would tell my kid to be responsible and save their money for something they really want. But sometimes, that impulse to buy now can lead to regret later. This is the story of someone who upgraded their PC from a 10900F CPU with an Asus Prime Z490p motherboard to a 12700K CPU and an ASRock Z690 Phantom Gaming motherboard. At first glance, it seems like a great upgrade, but after experiencing slow performance, they're left wondering what went wrong.

**The Upgrade**

Everything used to work fine before the upgrade, but now games that previously ran smoothly at 100-120 FPS are now getting around 20 FPS. The user is stumped and can't figure out why their system is running so slowly. They've upgraded to Windows 11, which may be the culprit, but they're hesitant to update due to concerns about reinstalling the operating system. They're also worried about reinstalling chipset drivers, as the new motherboard has different requirements.

**The Problem with Upgrades**

As we delve deeper into this issue, it becomes clear that the user is missing a crucial point. The operating system is not just a desktop with things to click on; it's a complex system that relies on various drivers and utilities to function optimally. When upgrading hardware, it's essential to ensure that all device drivers are compatible with the new components. In this case, the user may have simply copied their old OS onto the new motherboard without updating the chipset drivers, leading to performance issues.

**A Lesson in Upgrades**

The moral of the story is that upgrades can be complex and require attention to detail. By not understanding how the operating system interacts with hardware, the user was left with a slow-performing system. In contrast, updating to Windows 11 may help alleviate these issues. However, it's crucial to ensure that all device drivers are compatible with the new OS version before proceeding.

**A PC Build for Beginners**

This series aims to address common questions and concerns from new builders and buyers. By exploring various topics related to PC building, we hope to provide valuable insights and practical advice for those looking to upgrade or build a new computer. Whether you're an experienced builder or just starting out, this series is designed to help you navigate the world of PC hardware and software.

**Conclusion**

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**Reddit Thread**

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enall right so the 31 days of techm Miss continues and I think I'm going to do a few videos this month where I just peruse over to Reddit particularly particular specifically the build a PC subreddit and where I just kind of peruse through and answer some of the questions and then I guess if you guys go to build a PC Reddit all the time then maybe you can just drop a link in there for any of the questions I might have answered so that maybe they could get and answer Hey Day d d what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships World of Warships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and famous warships from World War I and World War II recreate with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below we receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving 7 Days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 de blooms and the tier five premium ship the exitor so what are you guys waiting for start syncing ships with World of Warships by heading the description below and getting your freebies so I'm going to go to the build a PC subreddit because I feel like there's a lot more beginner Builders or newbie Builders down there that might have what seemed like simple questions that if they took it to PC Master race they'd probably get ripped alive for not being you know Uber super Elite Master race guy so anyway um this first one kind of caught my attention this was posted 9 hours ago it's called buy a 4090 or nothing there's no other way bro so the post says that's what I've heard as a newbie in several Tech discords first of all yeah Tech discords I'm not going to get into it um I am very inexperienced when it comes to building PCS and unfortunately I don't know much about them and while I was looking for help on the internet as I don't know anyone technically in real life it means technically inclined I assume I was told several times there's no other options but a 490 I'm kind of wondering which Tech discords these were CU I've never heard that I've never even in the comments of our own videos seen people say 490 or nothing in fact we see a lot of like why the hell are you wasting money on a 490 type of comments um he moves on to say he's upgrading from a 7700k and an rtax 2070 super to and he says the 490 in his country is around €2,200 whereby the 4080 cost 11,100 to 1,300 and is almost doubled the price for 30% more power for uh what I got told so that that's about right it's about 30% more powerful than a 4080 and it's way more expensive and as he as he's showing here nearly doubled the price for 30% that's mathematically dumb to do that okay the only reason you'd ever get a 490 is you're like I want the biggest the baddest and the best at all like diminish returns that's the only reason you would get a 490 he says an XTX 7900 is unfortunate uh it's not an alternative because he wants to use RT and dlss is a 48 really bad for a guy uh to buy for price to Performance if he plays 1440p first of all he could be doing like a 4070 TI at 1440p and still have great performance for all of the the functions that he's wanting to use here um dlss specifically I for one feel um the 4080 would be a a good card if he's not concerned about spending $1,100 to $1,300 on a card that most people are going to spend $11,000 or north of $1,000 or ,000 or whatever your currency is that equates to about ,000 USD or more in this case 11100 to 1300 equates to more like $161,700 so it's expensive he's making a significant investment into this computer so I would I would recommend the 4080 if he's looking at hanging on to that card for five plus years now he's got a 2070 super that's already a 5-year-old card so it's obvious now that he looks at probably around a 5year upgrade cycle um the 4080 is definitely a beast of a graphics card um personally it should be priced more around $999 not ,100 to 1300 even USD um if he's not if he's looking at just a bang for the buck upgrade that's going to allow him to really dive into better RT performance cuz remember the 2070 super is a first gen RT core second gen dlss or tensor core and it gives you the ability to turn on certain functions but it's not great at those functions now the 40 series is third gen RT fourth gen dlss uh or or tensor course it's a significant upgrade for just about any 40 series card when it comes to Ray tracing if you wanted to save even more money I would say maybe even consider the 4070 TI which I think would be plenty of performance and still at 1440p uh give him you know 100 plus FPS in in many games so if he's looking to just I want to build a high-end computer and the budget is okay get a 4080 ignore I would highly take anyone's advice as saying 4090 or nothing bro and just literally put them on a list of do not listen just ignore ignore their advice Moving Forward Forever one thing they didn't mention here though is that the upgrading from a 7700k they didn't say which CPU they're going to keep in mind too you're going to want a a pretty high-end CPU in terms of like at least an 11th or 12th gen Intel um or at least a I personally think an am5 type CPU I think he is there a mention of going for no I thought I read a post where someone was looking at 7 800 x3d you can still bottleneck CPUs pretty easily with a 4080 if you go too low so make sure you don't spec too low on the CPU like a 7800 x3d or an Intel like 12700 K plus you should be okay all right so this one says what happens if I start PC without an OS it's funny because this actually really ties into the video that we've done talking about what to do after building your Tower um I'll try remember to drop a link down here but um this is a pretty common question people ask like hey is he says hello my PC will arrive today and I was wondering what would happen if I started it without an operating system will it start in the Bios automatically or will I have to get into BIOS manually will I F something up or will I just turn it on if I just turn it on you have to turn it on to ever install the OS to begin with so you can't hurt it by just turning it on I just want to throw that out there right away I'll just push buttons until I get into BIOS manually okay the delete key is all you need to know delete key is how you get into BIOS however on the first boot um it's going to probably bring up like a mega Trends type screen that's going to then show you like push F1 new CPU installed etc etc which will take you right to the BIOS and if you don't have a a bootloader on your drive which means when you install the OS it will also partition off part of that OS and create a boot loader which basically tells the BIOS like here's all the boot information for the OS on this drive if that doesn't exist it just goes right to bios like it'll just go into BIOS you could turn it off turn it on it'll just go right back to bios so until you install an OS that's all you're going to get is is a bio screen and that's usually all you need to to just make sure and verify everything's running because in the Bios you can see the graphics card that's attached if you have an image and you're plugged into the graphics card you know obviously it's working you can make sure all your RAM is present and that your drives are present if your drives aren't showing up and you have nvmes if you're running on an older motherboard you might have to go into and configure the nvme and turn it on uh turn on the nvme function otherwise it that's it it's it's pretty simple but that's why build a PC is actually a Reddit worth going to um to answer some of these questions because that's a very basic question that I guarantee you you might have gotten beaten up in other forms or discords or whatever by asking such a simple question should I upgrade to Windows 11 the term upgrade is probably not one you would want to use in this cuz Windows 11 really is like a skinned UI over 10 and they're very similar actually um there are some games slash drivers SLG graphics cards now that are kind of requiring Windows 11 so whether or not you should move to Windows 11 is going to depend on whether or not any of the programs or drivers that you're trying to use are specifically going to require Windows 11 what do I mean by that well some CPUs require Windows 11 like the am5 AMD CPUs tend to um really be recommended to run on 11 that's just because of the upgraded scheduler in there knowing how to handle the chiplet design for all the different uh CCX and ccds found on multiple chiplet um AMD CPUs specifically Intel now requires Windows 11 for the scheduler for the eor and peores so what we'd found if we ran like a 12th gen CPU or higher on Windows 10 the ecores and pees were not uh assigned properly to various tasks so the idea between the efficiency cores is that it would handle lighter background tasks while the PE cores would handle more demanding tasks in the foreground essentially giving you like a dual CPU setup uh without the scheduler being able to properly identify those ecores and peores and DB them out the workloads it just sort of sometimes didn't use ecores at all or didn't use peores at all depending on you know what the what the task was that was being assigned now those were the early days when it first came out it might be better now and there might be some Windows 10 support um but still both both companies are recommending Windows 11 for these newer CPUs that both AMD and Intel have come out with so it's really more of a question of is it required for your Hardware than whether or not you should do it okay 3080 10 GB of vram that bad any other Alternatives well uh after buying a secondhand 6800 X that died on me in just over a month of use I'm looking for a graphics card around the 450 to 500 USD Mark in my country used and or brand new I'm looking at the RTX 380 10 GB variant to be fair that's just the normal one the 10 gb's the normal 1080 they came out with a 12 GB version later but the 10 GB is just the normal one so just want to point that out so skipping down he says I'm probably going to use my next cards for 2 years before selling it and buying a newer card again so he's got a 2-year cycle here and I think how often a person wants to upgrade grade is the very important key information on value and prop value proposition so he says with that said within the next two years you guys think that the 10 GB of vram on the 380 will be enough or should I be Cyber Bullied Again by this sub about bad Investments what was I just saying uh to buy something like a 6800 XT 6800 7700 hell maybe even a770 just for the fun of it don't get a770 if you're comparing a 3080 so already the 1080 or the 3080 10 gig is leagues beyond what you need and will last you leagues more than 2 years from now even though it's already more than 2 years old worth it's it came out in 2020 September of 2020 so it's a threeyear old card over three year three years old 108p I mean just get the 3080 just get the 380 10 gig don't worry about it like you've already kind of alluded to here just ignore the elitists on here and uh yeah the 30 the 38 10 gig is fine I think what he's probably heard is people saying get the 12 get the 12 get the 12 if you were playing 4K or 1440p plus with high res texture packs and AAA titles then the 12 gig would be better than the 10 because 12 gigs of vram is better than 10 but it's still very up for debate on whether or not 10 is enough versus 12 usually people will will poo poo all over eight but a lot of times eight is still perfectly fine but it depends on the title and the resolution that's that is the two main factors about G uh vram and how much you need what's a mistake most people make he says what's a mistake most people make when they build their first PCS and how bad is this later on um I kind of talked about this in our power supply video where I tal I showed you the 12vt jumper Rail and all that stuff on the B quiet uh Power 13 Pro whatever I forget what it's called but it's the 13 Pro dark Power Pro 13 sure I talked about the fact that the most common mistake people would make is maybe undersizing their power supply um at the start and they buy one that's just big enough to be able to power their components for the foreseeable future but like we've already seen earlier in this video folks wanting to go from like a 7700k and a 2070 now to a newer multi-core CPU that was undisclosed and didn't say what they were going to go to to a 4080 or even considering a 4090 that's a significant bump in power from eight years ago when the 7700x uh or excuse me the 7700k was a thing I think it was more than eight years ago it's getting closer to 10 at this point but I digress um we're looking at Double the power needs that versus back then so if you had gotten like a 600 wat power supply which would run that system just fine that would not cut that would not cut it for today very very well so but there is a diminishing return where I wouldn't recommend running out and getting a 1500 wat power supply that you're only going to be using maybe 700 Watts under load you'd be paying for something that you probably will never utilize its full potential love so I kind of find personally like power suppli around 1,000 Watts sort of The Sweet Spot another mistake people make is just completely imbalancing their system what I mean is they'll get like a 4080 4090 and then they'll put like a a 10400 KF in their system I've seen this I'm not kidding I've seen this where the CPU is absolutely positively going to be a bottleneck I've also seen people get like 79 50x 3DS and then put like a 30/50 in there for the graphics card there's definitely a a value and uh kind of a scale you want to keep things within if you're going to go high-end CPU and you're looking for the best performance possible then you're going to want to pair it with a high-end GPU mid-range should pair with mid-range you know there there are there are brackets that tend to overlap right you can have a decent inexpensive CPU like say a 7700x right that's like 250 bucks or 220 bucks whatever that CPU costs and you could put like a 4080 with it and you would notice the 4080 would never be fully GPU bound but but you're not necessarily leaving enough frames on the table to where you just are not using the 480s potential ever you just crank the settings as high as you can in your game let the 4080 do as much work as possible another thing people do is they build these high-end systems and then they throw crappy like 1080p TVs on them that are like 60 FPS I see a lot of people say I'm going to save money by just using a TV and then they use like some old Phillips LCD with a HDMI 1.4 you know it's like that's not going to get it done and another low PSA is if you've built your system and you have your highend gravity card and everything in there and you have your 144 or 240,000 FPS refresh rate monitors or whatever and you've never gone into your driver or your control panel and windows and ever actually enabled the high refresh rate you're at 60 FPS right now you may not even know it so do yourself a favor go into your display options make sure your refresh rate is set as high as your monitor can can go that's another mistake people don't know just like when you plug in Ram it does not enable Expo XMP or docp by default it's going to run at Ram base speeds so unless you go into your bios and then enabled the RAM overclocks and yes those are overclocks that are the listed speeds you're running at base speed that's probably the number one mistake new builders make this one says should I get a 1080 TI for 100 bucks I'm not going to read the rest yes if it works if it works at 108 TI for 100 bucks heck yeah why not like stop typing right now go go get it is 32 GB of ddr5 6,000 MHz Ram good for an i7 12700 k and a 47 DTI the number one com yes I mean yes it's good I think it's a bit Overkill I mean it's going to be hit or miss on a 12th gen whether or not it can run DDR 56,000 uh XMP profiles without crashing but uh I mean 32 gigs is pretty common these days because ddr5 sticks at 16 gabes are not that expensive so yeah I mean if you could save some money and even go with like 5,000 or 5200 do that but I think this is another common mistake people will spec their Ram really high and then they just play games and stuff and RAM for the most part um doesn't have a whole huge impact on the overall gaming experience like I would personally take an overclock CPU with a minimally overclocked ram versus full Ram XMP profile speed and stock CPU speed bumping up the CPU will bump your frames up if your CPU bottle NE at all more so than faster Ram will do I use integrated graphics for now hey everyone this is my first post here and now oh boy welcome to Reddit I want to build a PC but do not have the money for my build but I can afford a ryzen 7 5700 G now and I don't mind waiting I don't mind waiting until I get a graphics card or should or should our IG I'm reading it the way it's written people are igpus just not good anymore I could use some advice thanks look the 5700 G can provide you 1080p low settings gaming on most systems we've done videos on this it's probably going to be in around the 40 to 50 FPS range at 1080p low depending on the title some more like cyber Punk you're not going to be getting more than like 20 25 FPS maybe um if you were going to be playing things like csgo and you don't care about 400 fps to have the best latency in Click Click response you can get an image and you can make things move around and you can play games is it going to be a great experience no but is it a is it nice to have an igpu CPU for troubleshooting purposes later yes do I feel like if you can't afford to build the tower now should you settle and get lower spec stuff now the instant gratification part of me wants to say yes do that but the more responsible part of me wants to say wait until you've saved up some money to build as close to you want the first time otherwise by the time you get to that point you will have spent way more than you ever initially wanted to because of upgrading Parts as you go so you get the 5700 G you got the 5700 G because of the fact that you wanted the igpu so you could play now but then you're going to realize 5 700g is not that great of a CPU in terms of overall all CPU power so then you're going to put a 3080 or 40 60 or 4060 TI or something on there you're going to realize you're actually bottlenecking the 5700 G with a mid-range GPU so you're going to drop in another CPU in there negating the cost of the 5700 G you're going to say but I can sell it and make some money back and I'm going to tell you most people don't probably wouldn't buy 5700 G at any price anywhere near what you paid for it so you're still going to lose money those are the two those are the two devils and angels on your shoulder buy it now you want to play now don't be responsible and the angel over here is like be responsible save your money and do it right the first time so look I'm a dad and that's what I would tell my kid but there's plenty of things I bought now because I want it now and then I ended up replacing it later CU it wasn't exactly what I wanted just I've done that a lot Amazon rental service all right so here's an interesting one we'll probably start wrapping this up it says upgraded to a new CPU and motherboard but now my system is slow he upgraded from a 10900 F CPU with an Asus Prime Z 490p mobo to a 12700 K CPU and an azrock z690 Phantom gaming mobo my system is running very slow now games I used to get 100 to 120 FPS are now getting around 20 I feel like I might be missing something simple so I wanted to ask if anyone has recommendations for more context everything used to work fine before the upgrade I'm on Windows 10 I was thinking in my brain has he upgraded to Windows 11 or is he on an older Windows 10 what I alluded to earlier regarding the Ed in Windows 11 being a requirement for ecor peor utilization I almost have a feeling he is running entirely on ecores right now because whatever games is probably not it's probably not utilizing uh the E cor PE cor properly he moves on to say part of my part of me is wondering if an update to Windows 11 could help but I don't want to take that step or reinstall Windows 10 if I don't have to I heard the chipset drivers might need to be reinstalled with CPU changes but I'm not 100% sure well you got a whole new motherboard did he just take an old OS yes he did he took took an old OS dropped it into a new motherboard let it reconfigure devices on the first Boot and then up and run it and yes whereas you can do that with Windows 10 and Hardware that requires Windows 11 like 12th gen it's funny that this is how we're ending this cuz I started it almost with when I talked when that guy talked about Windows 10 or 11 this is almost exactly what he's dealing with right here um this is just a case of not understanding that the operating system is more than just a desktop with things to click to launch programs it is a it is the it is the driver of the whole system right all the drivers and everything are utilized by the OS you have a scheduler a task scheduler which has to basically divvy out tasks that's why it's called a task scheduler to certain to the CPU and rent memory and all this stuff to be able to prioritize importance and priority so if it doesn't know what Hardware is available to it and how to best utilize it you're getting stuff like this so update to Windows 11 I almost guarantee you your problems will get better this is also a problem though when you take an existing drive with other chipset drivers and everything and then just plop it on to another motherboard you have to make sure that all of the device drivers for that motherboard are correct and not just generic versions that Windows might install itself on its own to make the chipset drivers and everything work you need to install the correct drivers on the correct OS version which in your instance now is Windows 11 all right there we go let me know if you guys like this series where I kind of peruse Reddit and find some questions and build a PC that might be beneficial to new the reason why I'm doing this is we've been noticing views are definitely going back up new subscriber growth is going back up that's because this time of year A lot of people are building computers building getting gifts for people or just researching what they want to put on their own Christmas lists and stuff so you're going to find a lot of new buyers or Builders and buyers that are just not they're not experts at this and they don't know little nuances like this so so if you want me to continue this series give this video a like give us a subscribe and then do us a favor if you go to the subreddit maybe plop a uh link to this video in there and say hey this this stupid YouTuber guy answered your question and it's just another piece of answer that they can decide if they want to use or not I don't know o piece of answer anyway I don't where that came from all right guys thanks thanks for watching see you in the next one Matts are still on sale 30% off what are you going Morty on bad thanks for watching now what happened uhohall right so the 31 days of techm Miss continues and I think I'm going to do a few videos this month where I just peruse over to Reddit particularly particular specifically the build a PC subreddit and where I just kind of peruse through and answer some of the questions and then I guess if you guys go to build a PC Reddit all the time then maybe you can just drop a link in there for any of the questions I might have answered so that maybe they could get and answer Hey Day d d what we got work to do yeah I'm playing World of Warships World of Warships is the free-to-play naval strategy game where you command the most iconic and famous warships from World War I and World War II recreate with stunning detail and accuracy build your Fleet while participating in various game types while upgrading your ship's Arsenal along the way new players who sign up using my link below we receive an exclusive starter pack to get you up and running quickly by receiving 7 Days Premium Time 1 million credits 300 de blooms and the tier five premium ship the exitor so what are you guys waiting for start syncing ships with World of Warships by heading the description below and getting your freebies so I'm going to go to the build a PC subreddit because I feel like there's a lot more beginner Builders or newbie Builders down there that might have what seemed like simple questions that if they took it to PC Master race they'd probably get ripped alive for not being you know Uber super Elite Master race guy so anyway um this first one kind of caught my attention this was posted 9 hours ago it's called buy a 4090 or nothing there's no other way bro so the post says that's what I've heard as a newbie in several Tech discords first of all yeah Tech discords I'm not going to get into it um I am very inexperienced when it comes to building PCS and unfortunately I don't know much about them and while I was looking for help on the internet as I don't know anyone technically in real life it means technically inclined I assume I was told several times there's no other options but a 490 I'm kind of wondering which Tech discords these were CU I've never heard that I've never even in the comments of our own videos seen people say 490 or nothing in fact we see a lot of like why the hell are you wasting money on a 490 type of comments um he moves on to say he's upgrading from a 7700k and an rtax 2070 super to and he says the 490 in his country is around €2,200 whereby the 4080 cost 11,100 to 1,300 and is almost doubled the price for 30% more power for uh what I got told so that that's about right it's about 30% more powerful than a 4080 and it's way more expensive and as he as he's showing here nearly doubled the price for 30% that's mathematically dumb to do that okay the only reason you'd ever get a 490 is you're like I want the biggest the baddest and the best at all like diminish returns that's the only reason you would get a 490 he says an XTX 7900 is unfortunate uh it's not an alternative because he wants to use RT and dlss is a 48 really bad for a guy uh to buy for price to Performance if he plays 1440p first of all he could be doing like a 4070 TI at 1440p and still have great performance for all of the the functions that he's wanting to use here um dlss specifically I for one feel um the 4080 would be a a good card if he's not concerned about spending $1,100 to $1,300 on a card that most people are going to spend $11,000 or north of $1,000 or ,000 or whatever your currency is that equates to about ,000 USD or more in this case 11100 to 1300 equates to more like $161,700 so it's expensive he's making a significant investment into this computer so I would I would recommend the 4080 if he's looking at hanging on to that card for five plus years now he's got a 2070 super that's already a 5-year-old card so it's obvious now that he looks at probably around a 5year upgrade cycle um the 4080 is definitely a beast of a graphics card um personally it should be priced more around $999 not ,100 to 1300 even USD um if he's not if he's looking at just a bang for the buck upgrade that's going to allow him to really dive into better RT performance cuz remember the 2070 super is a first gen RT core second gen dlss or tensor core and it gives you the ability to turn on certain functions but it's not great at those functions now the 40 series is third gen RT fourth gen dlss uh or or tensor course it's a significant upgrade for just about any 40 series card when it comes to Ray tracing if you wanted to save even more money I would say maybe even consider the 4070 TI which I think would be plenty of performance and still at 1440p uh give him you know 100 plus FPS in in many games so if he's looking to just I want to build a high-end computer and the budget is okay get a 4080 ignore I would highly take anyone's advice as saying 4090 or nothing bro and just literally put them on a list of do not listen just ignore ignore their advice Moving Forward Forever one thing they didn't mention here though is that the upgrading from a 7700k they didn't say which CPU they're going to keep in mind too you're going to want a a pretty high-end CPU in terms of like at least an 11th or 12th gen Intel um or at least a I personally think an am5 type CPU I think he is there a mention of going for no I thought I read a post where someone was looking at 7 800 x3d you can still bottleneck CPUs pretty easily with a 4080 if you go too low so make sure you don't spec too low on the CPU like a 7800 x3d or an Intel like 12700 K plus you should be okay all right so this one says what happens if I start PC without an OS it's funny because this actually really ties into the video that we've done talking about what to do after building your Tower um I'll try remember to drop a link down here but um this is a pretty common question people ask like hey is he says hello my PC will arrive today and I was wondering what would happen if I started it without an operating system will it start in the Bios automatically or will I have to get into BIOS manually will I F something up or will I just turn it on if I just turn it on you have to turn it on to ever install the OS to begin with so you can't hurt it by just turning it on I just want to throw that out there right away I'll just push buttons until I get into BIOS manually okay the delete key is all you need to know delete key is how you get into BIOS however on the first boot um it's going to probably bring up like a mega Trends type screen that's going to then show you like push F1 new CPU installed etc etc which will take you right to the BIOS and if you don't have a a bootloader on your drive which means when you install the OS it will also partition off part of that OS and create a boot loader which basically tells the BIOS like here's all the boot information for the OS on this drive if that doesn't exist it just goes right to bios like it'll just go into BIOS you could turn it off turn it on it'll just go right back to bios so until you install an OS that's all you're going to get is is a bio screen and that's usually all you need to to just make sure and verify everything's running because in the Bios you can see the graphics card that's attached if you have an image and you're plugged into the graphics card you know obviously it's working you can make sure all your RAM is present and that your drives are present if your drives aren't showing up and you have nvmes if you're running on an older motherboard you might have to go into and configure the nvme and turn it on uh turn on the nvme function otherwise it that's it it's it's pretty simple but that's why build a PC is actually a Reddit worth going to um to answer some of these questions because that's a very basic question that I guarantee you you might have gotten beaten up in other forms or discords or whatever by asking such a simple question should I upgrade to Windows 11 the term upgrade is probably not one you would want to use in this cuz Windows 11 really is like a skinned UI over 10 and they're very similar actually um there are some games slash drivers SLG graphics cards now that are kind of requiring Windows 11 so whether or not you should move to Windows 11 is going to depend on whether or not any of the programs or drivers that you're trying to use are specifically going to require Windows 11 what do I mean by that well some CPUs require Windows 11 like the am5 AMD CPUs tend to um really be recommended to run on 11 that's just because of the upgraded scheduler in there knowing how to handle the chiplet design for all the different uh CCX and ccds found on multiple chiplet um AMD CPUs specifically Intel now requires Windows 11 for the scheduler for the eor and peores so what we'd found if we ran like a 12th gen CPU or higher on Windows 10 the ecores and pees were not uh assigned properly to various tasks so the idea between the efficiency cores is that it would handle lighter background tasks while the PE cores would handle more demanding tasks in the foreground essentially giving you like a dual CPU setup uh without the scheduler being able to properly identify those ecores and peores and DB them out the workloads it just sort of sometimes didn't use ecores at all or didn't use peores at all depending on you know what the what the task was that was being assigned now those were the early days when it first came out it might be better now and there might be some Windows 10 support um but still both both companies are recommending Windows 11 for these newer CPUs that both AMD and Intel have come out with so it's really more of a question of is it required for your Hardware than whether or not you should do it okay 3080 10 GB of vram that bad any other Alternatives well uh after buying a secondhand 6800 X that died on me in just over a month of use I'm looking for a graphics card around the 450 to 500 USD Mark in my country used and or brand new I'm looking at the RTX 380 10 GB variant to be fair that's just the normal one the 10 gb's the normal 1080 they came out with a 12 GB version later but the 10 GB is just the normal one so just want to point that out so skipping down he says I'm probably going to use my next cards for 2 years before selling it and buying a newer card again so he's got a 2-year cycle here and I think how often a person wants to upgrade grade is the very important key information on value and prop value proposition so he says with that said within the next two years you guys think that the 10 GB of vram on the 380 will be enough or should I be Cyber Bullied Again by this sub about bad Investments what was I just saying uh to buy something like a 6800 XT 6800 7700 hell maybe even a770 just for the fun of it don't get a770 if you're comparing a 3080 so already the 1080 or the 3080 10 gig is leagues beyond what you need and will last you leagues more than 2 years from now even though it's already more than 2 years old worth it's it came out in 2020 September of 2020 so it's a threeyear old card over three year three years old 108p I mean just get the 3080 just get the 380 10 gig don't worry about it like you've already kind of alluded to here just ignore the elitists on here and uh yeah the 30 the 38 10 gig is fine I think what he's probably heard is people saying get the 12 get the 12 get the 12 if you were playing 4K or 1440p plus with high res texture packs and AAA titles then the 12 gig would be better than the 10 because 12 gigs of vram is better than 10 but it's still very up for debate on whether or not 10 is enough versus 12 usually people will will poo poo all over eight but a lot of times eight is still perfectly fine but it depends on the title and the resolution that's that is the two main factors about G uh vram and how much you need what's a mistake most people make he says what's a mistake most people make when they build their first PCS and how bad is this later on um I kind of talked about this in our power supply video where I tal I showed you the 12vt jumper Rail and all that stuff on the B quiet uh Power 13 Pro whatever I forget what it's called but it's the 13 Pro dark Power Pro 13 sure I talked about the fact that the most common mistake people would make is maybe undersizing their power supply um at the start and they buy one that's just big enough to be able to power their components for the foreseeable future but like we've already seen earlier in this video folks wanting to go from like a 7700k and a 2070 now to a newer multi-core CPU that was undisclosed and didn't say what they were going to go to to a 4080 or even considering a 4090 that's a significant bump in power from eight years ago when the 7700x uh or excuse me the 7700k was a thing I think it was more than eight years ago it's getting closer to 10 at this point but I digress um we're looking at Double the power needs that versus back then so if you had gotten like a 600 wat power supply which would run that system just fine that would not cut that would not cut it for today very very well so but there is a diminishing return where I wouldn't recommend running out and getting a 1500 wat power supply that you're only going to be using maybe 700 Watts under load you'd be paying for something that you probably will never utilize its full potential love so I kind of find personally like power suppli around 1,000 Watts sort of The Sweet Spot another mistake people make is just completely imbalancing their system what I mean is they'll get like a 4080 4090 and then they'll put like a a 10400 KF in their system I've seen this I'm not kidding I've seen this where the CPU is absolutely positively going to be a bottleneck I've also seen people get like 79 50x 3DS and then put like a 30/50 in there for the graphics card there's definitely a a value and uh kind of a scale you want to keep things within if you're going to go high-end CPU and you're looking for the best performance possible then you're going to want to pair it with a high-end GPU mid-range should pair with mid-range you know there there are there are brackets that tend to overlap right you can have a decent inexpensive CPU like say a 7700x right that's like 250 bucks or 220 bucks whatever that CPU costs and you could put like a 4080 with it and you would notice the 4080 would never be fully GPU bound but but you're not necessarily leaving enough frames on the table to where you just are not using the 480s potential ever you just crank the settings as high as you can in your game let the 4080 do as much work as possible another thing people do is they build these high-end systems and then they throw crappy like 1080p TVs on them that are like 60 FPS I see a lot of people say I'm going to save money by just using a TV and then they use like some old Phillips LCD with a HDMI 1.4 you know it's like that's not going to get it done and another low PSA is if you've built your system and you have your highend gravity card and everything in there and you have your 144 or 240,000 FPS refresh rate monitors or whatever and you've never gone into your driver or your control panel and windows and ever actually enabled the high refresh rate you're at 60 FPS right now you may not even know it so do yourself a favor go into your display options make sure your refresh rate is set as high as your monitor can can go that's another mistake people don't know just like when you plug in Ram it does not enable Expo XMP or docp by default it's going to run at Ram base speeds so unless you go into your bios and then enabled the RAM overclocks and yes those are overclocks that are the listed speeds you're running at base speed that's probably the number one mistake new builders make this one says should I get a 1080 TI for 100 bucks I'm not going to read the rest yes if it works if it works at 108 TI for 100 bucks heck yeah why not like stop typing right now go go get it is 32 GB of ddr5 6,000 MHz Ram good for an i7 12700 k and a 47 DTI the number one com yes I mean yes it's good I think it's a bit Overkill I mean it's going to be hit or miss on a 12th gen whether or not it can run DDR 56,000 uh XMP profiles without crashing but uh I mean 32 gigs is pretty common these days because ddr5 sticks at 16 gabes are not that expensive so yeah I mean if you could save some money and even go with like 5,000 or 5200 do that but I think this is another common mistake people will spec their Ram really high and then they just play games and stuff and RAM for the most part um doesn't have a whole huge impact on the overall gaming experience like I would personally take an overclock CPU with a minimally overclocked ram versus full Ram XMP profile speed and stock CPU speed bumping up the CPU will bump your frames up if your CPU bottle NE at all more so than faster Ram will do I use integrated graphics for now hey everyone this is my first post here and now oh boy welcome to Reddit I want to build a PC but do not have the money for my build but I can afford a ryzen 7 5700 G now and I don't mind waiting I don't mind waiting until I get a graphics card or should or should our IG I'm reading it the way it's written people are igpus just not good anymore I could use some advice thanks look the 5700 G can provide you 1080p low settings gaming on most systems we've done videos on this it's probably going to be in around the 40 to 50 FPS range at 1080p low depending on the title some more like cyber Punk you're not going to be getting more than like 20 25 FPS maybe um if you were going to be playing things like csgo and you don't care about 400 fps to have the best latency in Click Click response you can get an image and you can make things move around and you can play games is it going to be a great experience no but is it a is it nice to have an igpu CPU for troubleshooting purposes later yes do I feel like if you can't afford to build the tower now should you settle and get lower spec stuff now the instant gratification part of me wants to say yes do that but the more responsible part of me wants to say wait until you've saved up some money to build as close to you want the first time otherwise by the time you get to that point you will have spent way more than you ever initially wanted to because of upgrading Parts as you go so you get the 5700 G you got the 5700 G because of the fact that you wanted the igpu so you could play now but then you're going to realize 5 700g is not that great of a CPU in terms of overall all CPU power so then you're going to put a 3080 or 40 60 or 4060 TI or something on there you're going to realize you're actually bottlenecking the 5700 G with a mid-range GPU so you're going to drop in another CPU in there negating the cost of the 5700 G you're going to say but I can sell it and make some money back and I'm going to tell you most people don't probably wouldn't buy 5700 G at any price anywhere near what you paid for it so you're still going to lose money those are the two those are the two devils and angels on your shoulder buy it now you want to play now don't be responsible and the angel over here is like be responsible save your money and do it right the first time so look I'm a dad and that's what I would tell my kid but there's plenty of things I bought now because I want it now and then I ended up replacing it later CU it wasn't exactly what I wanted just I've done that a lot Amazon rental service all right so here's an interesting one we'll probably start wrapping this up it says upgraded to a new CPU and motherboard but now my system is slow he upgraded from a 10900 F CPU with an Asus Prime Z 490p mobo to a 12700 K CPU and an azrock z690 Phantom gaming mobo my system is running very slow now games I used to get 100 to 120 FPS are now getting around 20 I feel like I might be missing something simple so I wanted to ask if anyone has recommendations for more context everything used to work fine before the upgrade I'm on Windows 10 I was thinking in my brain has he upgraded to Windows 11 or is he on an older Windows 10 what I alluded to earlier regarding the Ed in Windows 11 being a requirement for ecor peor utilization I almost have a feeling he is running entirely on ecores right now because whatever games is probably not it's probably not utilizing uh the E cor PE cor properly he moves on to say part of my part of me is wondering if an update to Windows 11 could help but I don't want to take that step or reinstall Windows 10 if I don't have to I heard the chipset drivers might need to be reinstalled with CPU changes but I'm not 100% sure well you got a whole new motherboard did he just take an old OS yes he did he took took an old OS dropped it into a new motherboard let it reconfigure devices on the first Boot and then up and run it and yes whereas you can do that with Windows 10 and Hardware that requires Windows 11 like 12th gen it's funny that this is how we're ending this cuz I started it almost with when I talked when that guy talked about Windows 10 or 11 this is almost exactly what he's dealing with right here um this is just a case of not understanding that the operating system is more than just a desktop with things to click to launch programs it is a it is the it is the driver of the whole system right all the drivers and everything are utilized by the OS you have a scheduler a task scheduler which has to basically divvy out tasks that's why it's called a task scheduler to certain to the CPU and rent memory and all this stuff to be able to prioritize importance and priority so if it doesn't know what Hardware is available to it and how to best utilize it you're getting stuff like this so update to Windows 11 I almost guarantee you your problems will get better this is also a problem though when you take an existing drive with other chipset drivers and everything and then just plop it on to another motherboard you have to make sure that all of the device drivers for that motherboard are correct and not just generic versions that Windows might install itself on its own to make the chipset drivers and everything work you need to install the correct drivers on the correct OS version which in your instance now is Windows 11 all right there we go let me know if you guys like this series where I kind of peruse Reddit and find some questions and build a PC that might be beneficial to new the reason why I'm doing this is we've been noticing views are definitely going back up new subscriber growth is going back up that's because this time of year A lot of people are building computers building getting gifts for people or just researching what they want to put on their own Christmas lists and stuff so you're going to find a lot of new buyers or Builders and buyers that are just not they're not experts at this and they don't know little nuances like this so so if you want me to continue this series give this video a like give us a subscribe and then do us a favor if you go to the subreddit maybe plop a uh link to this video in there and say hey this this stupid YouTuber guy answered your question and it's just another piece of answer that they can decide if they want to use or not I don't know o piece of answer anyway I don't where that came from all right guys thanks thanks for watching see you in the next one Matts are still on sale 30% off what are you going Morty on bad thanks for watching now what happened uhoh\n"