The World of CPU Performance: A 2013 vs 2018 Comparison
In this article, we'll delve into the world of CPU performance, specifically comparing the powerhouses of 2013 and 2018. We'll explore how far performance has come, what new features have been introduced, and which platforms reign supreme.
One of the most significant differences between 2013 and 2018 is the chipset. In 2013, we had X79, which was a beast of a platform that required a separate chipset to operate. This meant that the CPU would need to go through the chipset before being fed into the motherboard, resulting in slower performance compared to newer platforms like UBS 2 slots. In contrast, newer platforms like Z390 and X470 offer direct connectivity to the CPU, eliminating any slowdowns from DMI 3.0 versus 2.0.
When it comes to storage, 2018 offers a significant upgrade over 2013. The introduction of NVMe drives on PCIe slots has increased performance by leaps and bounds. These drives can reach speeds of up to 5000 MB/s, making them ideal for applications that require high-speed data transfer. In contrast, older platforms like X79 often rely on slower storage solutions, which can bottleneck the system's overall performance.
Another area where 2018 outshines 2013 is in the realm of USB connectivity. The introduction of USB 3 and even Type-C has increased speeds to new heights, making it possible to transfer data at unprecedented rates. In contrast, older platforms often rely on slower USB versions, which can limit the system's overall performance.
One of the most significant advantages of newer platforms like Z390 and X470 is their enthusiast nature. These platforms offer CPUs like the 1680 v2, which boast base clocks of 3 GHz, with users able to overclock them up to 4.6 GHz with decent cooling solutions and good motherboards. This represents a 50% increase in clock speed compared to older platforms.
However, the overclocking gains in 2018 are not as dramatic as they once were. The introduction of new instruction sets like AVX2 and FMA3 has improved performance, but these gains have been somewhat muted by the complexity of modern workloads. In contrast, older platforms like X79 often offer more straightforward overclocking options, which can result in significant performance gains.
When it comes to enthusiast systems, the most significant advantage of newer platforms is their simplicity. Older platforms like X99 require a higher degree of finesse and expertise to overclock, whereas newer platforms offer more plug-and-play solutions. This makes them ideal for system builders who want to create high-performance systems without breaking the bank.
In conclusion, while 2013 still has its advantages, especially when it comes to price performance, the gap between old and new has narrowed significantly in recent years. The introduction of new features like NVMe drives, USB 3, and Type-C has increased performance by leaps and bounds, making newer platforms like Z390 and X470 the clear winner. However, for system builders who value simplicity and ease of use, older platforms like X79 still have their place.
Looking ahead to our upcoming videos and comments, we'd love to hear from you about your experiences with X79 or whether this video has brought back some nostalgic memories. We'll be testing out new benchmarks, including gaming and productivity tests, as well as input lag analysis, which we're a bit concerned might actually show us going backwards. All will be revealed in the coming days.
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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: en- X79 was a platform thatwas released in late 2011.And it boasted some big upgrades over X58,in the means of not justgetting rid of the Northbridge,but also having things likeNative SATA 3 on board,as well as PCIe Gen 3 support.However, in 2013 there was a Xeon variantthat was released on this architecture,that was eight core, 16 threads,and it was overclockable.The irony of this was there was nevera consumer i7 desktop variantreleased to the public.And here's the funny thing,in 2018 I used thisCPU in my main computerfor editing videos, despiteme also having accessto the 9900K, and also the 2700X from AMD.So today's video isgonna be a prelude to theupcoming comparisons which is gonna bea three part series, I'm gonna talk aboutwhy would someone even wantto consider X79 in 2018.Let's take a look.(upbeat music)Welcome back to Tech YesCity and first things first,this X79 platform, it isnot a value for money play.In fact, unlike X58 I don'treally see X79 motherboardswith CPUs and RAM comingup for really good deals,and that people aren'treally chucking them out.In fact most of thebest deals on X79 I seeare people deliberatelyselling the motherboard,CPU and RAM in sort oflike a bare bones combo,for instance on Gumtree,for 400 Aussie dollarswhich is a little over 250 US dollars,you can get 32 gigabytes of DDR3 memory,a six core Sandy Bridge-E variant,and also an X79 Sabertooth motherboard.And although this is apretty good deal in itself,it's still not the bestvalue for money when we lookat some of those dealsthat we get in the past,with X58 where peoplejust throw out those PCsand not realize that those X58motherboards are really good.So with X79 I don't think you're goingto be getting a good dealon a good motherboard.For instance when wego on eBay and we lookthrough the motherboard list,there are Huanans forsale and anything with adecent name on it whetherit's Gigabite, MSI,Asus or ASRock, wouldusually command a premium.In terms of overclockingand getting enthusiastperformance out of the Huanan boards,I've tested one of thesemotherboards in the past,and they're prettylackluster, I'll put thelink up here if youhaven't seen it already.But basically they onlysupport dual-channel memory,they don't officially use an X79 chipset.I do have another motherboardon hand which I'llbe doing some testing on,which is called the Running,that's supposedly meantto be an upgrade on that,but even then putting aneight core 16 threaded Xeonon these imitation boardswouldn't be recommendedin my opinion, instead for me personallyI am using the Rampage Extreme Four.This is a pretty much topof the line X79 motherboard,and I picked this up on a dealwhere I got it for around300 Aussie dollars.I also managed after that to pick up onebrand new in the box,for 350 Aussie dollars.Now you're probably gonna stop me there,and you're gonna say well that's crazy,why would you spend thatmuch on the motherboard,when we look at an X470motherboard where you canpick that up for around150 to 200 US dollars,and then you look at also the Z390swhere you can get a decentboard for around $200 as well.That's coming in underthe price of these goodX79 motherboards and alsothe CPU's themselves,the 9900K is currently going for 530 USand the Ryzen 7270X is currently goingfor around 309 dollars on Amazon.So the CPU prices andthe motherboard pricesaren't looking too good forthis X79 setup I've got here,because when we look at the 1680 v2 pricethe cheapest I can find itfor is around 400 US dollars,and yes, that is how muchthis 1680 v2 still commandsin 2018 and this is whereanother element comes into play,these CPUs and also these X79 motherboardsare worth money becausethat's what they sell foron the marketplace, theyhave pent up demand,and pretty much with the 1680 v2,it is the best in slot CPU,in my opinion, for X79.You're not gonna get abetter CPU for high endsingle desktop power usagethan this thing right here.Now another benefit ofthis, which I've testedin the past and we're gonna be retesting,is of course the DDR3 memory,and it's low CAS latency.This has quad channel memory support,so the bandwidth of, say for instance,DDR3 1600MHz memory will still be equalto that of DDR4 3200MHzin dual channel mode.So that's one great benefit of X79.Another awesome featureof this chipset itself,is essentially using an ECBU,it does have PCA Gen 3 support,and now you get 40 lanesitself direct to the CPU.For instance, you canhave two graphics cardsin full 16 x support, aswell still have 8 lanesleft over for other things.Whether it be PCA NVME,which, yes, it does work on this platform,and you can feed thatdata directly to the CPU,getting no slow downs. Forinstance, on my main rig,I'm using a two terabyte, 970 EVO drive.And the performance isabsolutely incredible,and yes, this is a boot drive.Keep in mind, you do need a modified BIOS,which is uploaded on theweb, and they're out there.But this was baked into X79when they initially designed it.So when we look at X79, this was reallyleading the forefront of technology,sure, you can say thatthey've upgraded since,to the DMI 3.0 from DMI 2.0.And that's where the USB 3,for instance, the controlleris still on the chipset itself with X79.So, if you're running USB3 through the chipset,there'll be a slowdown in the DMI linkbetween the CPU and the chipset itself.And this is true, except,as we said before,we do have 40 lanesavailable with PCA Gen 3,as opposed to the Ryzen 72700X, which only had 20 lanes,and also the 9900K, whichonly has 24 lanes, I believe.And also, on top of that with X79,you've got USB front outconnectivity, as well asNative SATA 3, and a lot ofUSB 3 support at the rear.And then there's the argument of,well there's now USB 3.0, there's Type-C,there's also ThunderBolt 3,and even the DMI 3.0 linkfrom the actual CPU to the chipset itself,which on X79, admittedlyit's only got DMI 2.0.But, all that aside, forwhat I do personally,I do not need the DMI 3.0 link speeds.When I've got those NVME drivesgoing directly to the CPU,feeding the data, andwhen we look at USB 2,if we're gonna use our mouse, for example,this is when old school rumors,I don't know if you haveguys heard about it butyou use a USB 2 for yourmouse instead of a USB 3.And that's because it hadto go through the chipsetin the case of X79, andthen get fed to the CPU,as opposed to the UBS 2 slots,which are going directly to the CPU.So in this case, yes,we would use our mouseto reduce input latencythrough the USB 3, and thenwe would simply just use ourNVME drive on a PCIe slot.And so when we do that,we won't have to incurany slow downs from DMI 3.0versus 2.0, for example.And then we look at USB 3 versus3.1 or even Type-C for example,and these speeds don'taffect my everyday workflow.for example I've gotflash based memory cards,which hook up to a controllerand then they copy data off,and the USB 3 speeds aremore than plenty enoughto max out those memory cards, as well aswhen they connect externalSSDs to the computer itself,USB 3 is still plenty fine.So with all these new upgrades on Z390and on Ryzen side X470,they don't apply to me,and they don't affectmy workflow whatsoever.However, when lookingat X79, the last thingI'm gonna talk about in today's videois the enthusiast nature of this platform.We're getting CPUs likethe 1680 v2, for example,which have base clocks at 3 gigahertzand we can take that allthe way to 4.6 gigahertzwith a decent coolingsolution and good motherboard.That's over a 50% gain in clock speeds.You look at the 9900K oreven the 2700X, for instance,the 9900K you get 4.7gigahertz out of the boxon all cores with a good motherboard andgood cooling solution,without even doing anything.You try overclocking that to6.5 gigahertz on water or air,it's not gonna happen, you'regonna need LN2 to do that.You try going from 4.7gigahertz for example,on a 9900K all the way up to 6.5 gigahertzon air or water, andit's just not happening.In fact, the most you'llreally get out theseis probably an extra threeor four hundred megahertz,where you can take itto 5 or 5.1 gigahertz.So, the overclocking gains in 2018on these newer CPUs really aren't there.Furthermore, when we look in the BIOS,in the settings neededto get a proper overclockon X79 for example, there was much morethan just the simple threesettings of jumping inand changing the CPUmultiply, CPU core voltageand setting in your X and B profiles.You're required more finesse in my opinioneven going from X58 to X79was a more simplification ofoverclocking, in my opinion.So when we look at theupcoming comparison thatI'm gonna be doing in a three part series,of eight cores versus eightcores versus eight cores.It's gonna show that 2013,a whole lot of things haven't changed.Of course, in the 2700Xand 9900K you do get thosenew instruction sets, I believe it's AVX2,FMA3 which isn't availableon the Ivy Bridge-E.But even then, those same instruction setswere introduced in X99.So in closing with X79,it's gonna be that one exceptionto used price performance,where the price is prettymuch going out the window.So when it comes to theupcoming videos and comments,I really don't wanna hear aboutthe price performance in this case,more so much the 2013versus 2018 wow factor,in that I wanna look and really seeon single and desktop users,how far performance has come.And I can tell you fromusing this personally,I don't think it has come that far,but we're gonna be testing out things,not only just benchmarkslike gaming and productivity,but we're gonna be testingout input lag as well,which I do have a feelingthat we could've goneslightly backwards from 2013 to 2018.All will be revealed in the coming days,and I hope you enjoyed today's video.If you did, the be sureto hit that like buttonand let us know in thecomments section below,have you ever tried X79,or does this video bringback some nostalgic memories?I guess it's one of those combinationsof nostalgia mixed with relevancy,because I feel like X79 is still relevantto someone who wantsthe latest and greatest.Anyway, we'll be finding out very soon.Peace out for now, bye.(upbeat music)\n"
