**The Great BIOS Update Con**

I've been digging into the recent BIOS updates from Intel, and I have to say, it's a massive chicanery of coming out with these bios updates and claiming they fix everything. I don't believe them. It seems like they're just prolonging the problem. My results today show that this issue still hasn't been fixed. It's clear that there's going to be people still having instability issues after this micro code update, and it will only get worse with further updates.

**The Trend Continues**

It's a sad trend we've seen with bias revisions coming along, and what we've seen is increased vids of users struggling with the chips, increased power consumption, and worsening performance. It's like Intel is just chasing AMD on some benchmark charts and ignoring the real issues that are plaguing their products. The biggest difference between Ryzen CPUs from AMD and Intel's offerings is the silicon they use - TSMC silicon for Ryzen, which is far superior to Intel's silicon.

**The Community Speaks Out**

I hope you guys enjoyed today's video if you did, then be sure to hit that like button, also let us know in the comments section below what are your experiences with these CPUs. What settings have you been using? What odd and abnormalities have you been coming into? I'd love reading your thoughts and opinions as always. As well as the comments section just being a bit of a hub for people who are having problems, they can sort of talk to each other and try and get more answers.

**The Blame Falls on Intel**

With all that out of the way, let's be very critical of Intel here - they released this product, and they know exactly what the problem is. Except they keep giving us this absolute crap, releasing updates that don't fix anything, and they won't get to the real issue because I don't think they want us to know the real issue here, and they know it - they're just stalling.

**The Old Days of CPUs**

I wish Intel would bring back the old days of CPUs where you have a lot of headroom for overclocking, and enthusiasts can figure out all that stuff. But no, instead we get these unstable chips that are causing headaches for average users who just want to play games or do their stuff on their PC. It's like Intel is more interested in chasing AMD than in making products that actually work.

**The Power Difference**

One thing I noticed at 50% load with the initial BIOS release, the 10e, was that the power difference between 5 and 5.2 was quite substantial as well as the vid voltages that the CPU was requesting. After 5 GHz, these CPUs start to get really inefficient, and they start dropping off big time. Intel knew this, and so did AMD when they were using their silicon for Ryzen.

**The Consequences of Overvoltage**

I also noticed that with the 5.8 GHz single core boost, I wasn't able to achieve out of the box on this initial BIOS revision. It would only go to 5.5 GHz - Intel knew all this back in 2022 with the 3900K, they knew exactly how these CPUs performed and exactly how they scaled. But instead of fixing the issue, they overvolted them out of safety spec for far too long.

**The Fall of Intel**

It's clear that Intel has fallen off the competition not just because of AMD, but because of their own hand. They're still trying to figure out why this problem persists despite all these updates and revisions. It's like they've been derailed from making products that actually work. And it's all because of their own incompetence.

**The Future of CPUs**

So, what can we expect in the future? Will Intel finally get it right? Or will we see more of the same instability issues we've seen so far? Only time will tell, but one thing is for sure - as long as Intel continues to prioritize profits over performance and stability, we'll be stuck with unstable chips that are causing headaches for average users.

**Editing This Video Back**

I realized I missed out on one part of testing that I did, but I forgot to talk about. That was the 5.8 GHz single core boost. At 50% load, the power difference between 5 and 5.2 was quite substantial as well as the vid voltages that the CPU was requesting in other words after 5 GHz these CPUs start to get really inefficient and they start dropping off big time in other words Intel knew that these CPUs were running way out of spec for far too long and also further evidence of this is in the 5.8 GHz single core boost that I actually wasn't able to achieve out of the box on this initial bias revision it would only go to 5.5 GHz so Intel knew back then back in 2022 with this 3900 K these things they knew it they were the maker of these CPUs they know exactly what the problem is except they keep giving us this absolute crap releasing updates that don't fix anything and they won't get to the real issue because I don't think they want us to know the real issue here and they know it - they're just stalling

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enso Intel have released their latest micr code update via a bios update through the motherboard Partners in what they say will help with instability problems but you guys have been messaging me behind the scenes in comment sections Discord messages telling me you want to have a video on this subject I was going to save it till next month till I got back to Australia but I just got flooded with messages so today we are looking into this problem and we have found some really scary information here the deeper I dig with this whole situation the more problems I see and I do apologize in advance for the tone of my voice in today's video I know it's it's not going to be pretty much like that time when JD Fortune got injected from in excess but straight away my analysis has pretty much came down to one big problem with these CPUs a huge problem and that is the vdd CPU voltage in other words voltage Direct that's what vdd stands for it is based on the CPU it's also a sensor on the CPU that monitors I guess the max voltage that can come through the CPU and be provided to any component on that CPU there's also the vcore voltage which is the motherboard's voltage sensor and that's its own external sensor however in this case I believe it is not as accurate as the vdd sensor which is located on the CPU then lastly there is vid voltage as well as IMC voltage viid standing for voltage identification this is the voltage that your CPU CES request they don't necessarily get that voltage all the time but they request that voltage and if there's a difference and they don't get enough voltage then of course you can get instability problems that way too however all the aforementioned voltages are very important especially the three that are located on the CPU though the vdd CPU voltage this is extremely important because out of the box whether we go back to the first bios iteration which was on this system here and by the way this is a I believe kind of a fresh 13900 K that I haven't touched since I had the problems last year so this CPU was in this system this was the second variant I had of the 13900 K back when I was having issues and I just wanted to try another CPU this CPU on this motherboard had the initial iteration of BIOS on it this was the 2011 on the taii Carrera z790 and this has the micro code called 10e on board now the latest bios interation is the 0x1 129 micro code revision the one before that was the 0 x125 today we tested all three of these micr code revisions and we found some shocking uh results here the first of being that the vdd CPU voltage is running out of spec on all three of these biases and even on the so-called safe base line profile from Intel now what is the safety limit from this vdd CPU voltage spec you may ask well it's 1.3 volt and under and we can see this via changing the values in the bias themselves when we go above 1.3 volt this goes red now the only reason this goes red is because ASRock have been advised from Intel that this is the setting where it should turn red and then they've passed that information onto us via this red symbol in the Bios when we start changing this value means it's dangerous it means it's out of safety spec and this has been going on for the life of motherboard tuning when you're in the Bios and the text changes color now in all circumstances when we run these tests and by the way I have for this video disabled all the ecores because I don't believe the ecor are the problem here I believe it's the peores and the high speeds and the high voltages applied to these peores and so what we're seeing here with these peores is every single time I run these tests we're going with a CPU vdd up to 1.42 4 volt which is way out of spec it's way above that 1.3 volt that's recommended in the Bios as the safety limit though there's so many other inconsistencies and problems that I came into that today is going to be more like a journey than anything and we'll talk all about it with benchmarks gaming benchmarks as well as Center bench results right after today's video sponsor if you want to get rid of this annoying activate Windows message then today's video sponsor SCD Keys has you covered for as little as $15 US after you enter that coupon code bftc you can cop yourself a legit single end user license today also works for Windows 11 Pro too links in description below welcome back to Tech yes City in this case we have tested 1 2 3 4 five different scenarios on the CPUs and the configurations here and we found some very concerning results the first thing is the initial bios release gives out the best results in terms of not just performance in games which we'll get on to right now but also in terms of efficiency which we'll get on to a little bit later let's take a look at 720p results here because we are just going to absolutely weed out differences here and what we've done here in today's video we've set the memory speeds manually to 6,000 MHz now you're probably like Brian that's way too low for memory speeds these things can go much higher 7200 mehz Etc but on the flip side I believe that's actually a big part of the problem and I'm going to be recommending at the end of this video you drop your memory speeds along with another voltage that we talked about earlier in the video but let's get on to these results here 6,000 MHz memory cl32 720p Boulders Gate 3 now the Baseline profile made zilch of a difference between the default profile versus manually setting in this Baseline profile for games here and in fact the Baseline profile on the X1 129 micr code revision scored clearly the worst vers all the other results here in today's video and what was surprising is it even lost to a 5.2 GHz all core on the initial 10e micro code revision so there is a trend right from this first game here and the results that is starting to begin and we'll talk about that a little bit later too but let's get on to CS2 here counter- strike 2 and what we got was again the same scenario the 129 bios was performing the worst both on the Baseline profile and again the default profile out of the box which both of these were performing pretty much identical it didn't really make a difference but then we go now to cinebench and here is where we were scoring the worst results again on these new Baseline and default settings on X1 129 in other words we were running hotter temperatures we were running more wattage and we were getting slightly inferior scores on these cinebench results to the point where my final test I decided to lock 5.2 GHz manually in and this is probably the most interesting of all the results that I saw here in relation to cinebench and here is where we were getting on the Baseline profile at 5.2 GHz or cores versus the initial release bias this is the 10e micro code revision versus this latest one we're getting wattage that was going from 158 Watt with vids of 1.27 vol now going all the way up to 1.33 Vol with 184 watts and we're getting similar performance although it was slightly higher on the initial bias revision so on the contrary here what we're seeing with these new micr code revisions is we're seeing increased voltages which is leading to increased power consumption increased wattage all because I believe looking at these results so far the trend is is that something may be degrading on these CPUs so Intel is combating that via just giving it more juice at the same levels but what I don't understand here is why doesn't Intel release a proper Baseline profile why don't they just say okay let's drop the all calls down to 5 GHz drop it down to 1.3 volt on that vdd setting within the actual safety spec and then drop down say your IMC voltage as well to 1.3 volt and just say look don't take your memory speeds above 6,000 MHz because the problem I was having here was even on the initial bias release this is more information that we're going to dig into was when I set 5.2 GHz all cores and even 5 GHz all cores and I dropped that CPU vdd voltage down initially to 1.3 volt my computer was just getting blue screens it wouldn't Boot and I was scratching my head going what's going on on here why isn't it booting properly but then I changed the IMC voltage to 1.3 volt manually and so that was running higher at 1.4v as well but then I remembered back in the day there was certain voltages that you had to run at or below other voltages on the CPU and clearly the IMC is one of those voltages that you have to run at or below the cpu's vdd voltage and so once we did that our computer then booted into Windows absolutely fine and so for me personally that confidently gives me all the information I need to know here Intel basically has said we're going to keep the advertise speeds for you guys we're going to keep giving you those advertised speeds but we're going to do so in a manner that's just increasing the power consumption increasing the voltage over time knowing very well that the CPUs will start to throttle and here's the last Benchmark we're going to show up the CPU temperatures which have also radically increased to the point where they're now thermal throttling on these later micr code revisions and so we're going to keep doing this in hopes that our CPUs can just prolong their life and not have any instability issues and I think they just hoping until these things run out of warranty they'll be in the clearer when core Ultra releases it'll just wash everything away but what you getting here is just an inferior experience as time goes on and I think they can't do a release where they say hey just disable all your eals drop your speeds down to 5 GHz or 5.2 GHz and drop the voltages to within what what's actually safe from our own guidelines I think they can't do that because they advertise much higher speeds on the box and that'd be in a world of pain when it comes to the legal side of things but I'm not a lawyer this is one thing that I would love to get clarification on is what are the legal ramifications of intel if they would actually give you a proper safety spec with these CPUs and those vdd voltages were then running at 1 .3 Vol properly all day every day as well as all the other voltages were within a proper safety spec what would be the ramifications of that that's the one thing I can't tell you in today's video but what I can tell you from today's results with this 3 900k is that the CPUs initially were giving out better performance and they had better voltages much safer voltages too than what's being used in these micr code revisions and also you were getting as a result of that better performance whether my CPU was with the peores not throttling out of the box at 5.5 GHz all core but then it's throttling and using up much more power and then at 5.2 GHz it's also using up a lot more power so at this stage you may be asking me what exactly do you think the problem is here with these Intel CPUs 13th and 14th gen and I think it goes back to what I was told over a year ago in terms of the input out put Hub is now directly off the die and when I did my research on this architecture it was essentially a chiplet design that was then sort of brought into a monolithic design it was a very unique design of a CPU and I think somewhere along the lines Intel lost control over certain elements of the CPU and so for me personally it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that dropping the vdd voltage then causes instability on booting issues but then if you want to run higher memory speeds you can't drop that vdd voltage if you get what I'm saying so I believe there's a problem here where perhaps the IMC voltage was directly linked to another component on the CPU and that component does need much higher voltage and over time that's caused perhaps another part of the CPU to then degrade and so Intel's then fixing it via just pumping even more voltage and heat in the hopes that the problem over time will just get washed away and I know that's a crazy Theory but the results and the progress from Intel themselves and what I'm seeing here makes no sense whatsoever there's not a safety profile here at all nothing's safe about these new settings and in fact they're much worse than the original settings that were released for consumers back in 2022 anyhow going forward my personal recommendation would be with these CPUs go back to the earliest bius revision that works stable for you and then take the CPU CES down to 5.2 GHz manually go to your vdd CPU voltage drop that down to 1.3 volt drop also your IMC voltage down to 1.3 volt and then make sure your memory speeds are running at a level that is stable at that 1.3 volt IMC so in this case 6,000 works fine and if you've got say 7,200 MHz you may wish to tune down the CL timings and tune down the memory speed down to 6,000 or again wherever that Speed Works at that said 1.3 voltage I would recommend doing that but also if you've got lower memory speeds say 5600 MHz just leave it at that it should work absolutely fine if you raise those speeds the memory itself might not be able to boot properly so there's my recommendations there on top of also disabling all your ecores VOA that's an actual safety setting that I've just told you guys even though the performance might not be what you desired in terms of all core cinebench uh scores we are getting much lower temperatures now much uh better wattage and also in games we're getting even better results than these new Baseline profiles with the CPUs running at 5.5 GHz in games so it's one big just massive chicanery of coming out from Intel with these bios up upd dates and I don't believe they fix anything I just believe they're prolonging the problem my results here today just show that this problem has not been fixed at all I think there's going to be people still having instability issues after this micro code update and also further micro code updates it's it's just a sad Trend to see as the bias revisions have come along you've just seen increased vids you've seen increased power consumption and worsening performance but Al the last question on your mind was will be well AMD does this right AMD does this with ryen CPUs especially some of those CPUs out of the box are getting aggressive voltages as well they're going over 1.4 volt Etc and the biggest difference between the ryzen CPUs and the Intel CPUs is that the ryzen CPUs use tsmc silicon and what I can um conclude from today's video is that the tsmc Silicon is far superior than the Intel silicon and so AMD just don't have clearly as many problems to deal with as Intel does with their silicon anyhow guys with all that out of the way I hope you enjoyed today's video if you did then be sure to hit that like button also let us know in the comments section below what are your experiences if you've got one of these CPUs what are your experiences with them what settings have you been using what odd and abnormalities have you been coming into would love reading your thoughts and opinions as always as well as the comments section just I guess working as a bit of a hub for people who are having problems they can sort of talk to each other as well as try and get more answers love all that good stuff let's uh keep being a community but at the same time let's be very critical of Intel here and they released make no mistake they're the ones that released this product and they know exactly what the problem is except they keep giving us this absolute crap that they releasing and they won't get to the real issue because I don't think they want us to know the real issue here and they know it they're just stalling they're clearly stalling with these bios updates that's what I see here and if you've got one of these CPUs and it's your main I feel sorry but again Intel is the one responsible here no one else not the motherboard Partners not URI and also on that token it's not our job to fix Intel's problems we are paying them money that's the product and service we're paying them money they're giving us a product that should just work fine and the last thing I will go over before I get on out of here is why not just bring back the old days of CPUs have it so you have these CPUs that have a lot of headro for overclocking and the enthusiasts can figure out all that stuff but then the average guy the person just buying a PC to play games on and do their stuff on comes into zero issues can we bring that back please because this is what I'm seeing is just a mountain of headaches and it's headaches that I'm sure is coming back to bite Intel all for the sake of chasing AMD on some Benchmark charts but also on that note Intel please start using better silicon and without aside I'll catch you guys in another tech video very soon peace out for now bye also editing this video back I realized I missed out one part of testing that I did but I forgot to talk about and that was allore at 50 from 52 on the initial bios release the 10e what I noticed here was that the power difference between 5 and 5.2 was actually quite substantial as well as the vid voltages that the CPU was requesting in other words after 5 GHz these CPUs start to get really inefficient and they start dropping off big time in other words Intel knew that these CPUs were running way out of spec for far too long and also further evidence of this is in the 5.8 GHz single core boost that I actually wasn't able to achieve out of the box on this initial bias revision it would only go to 5.5 GHz so Intel knew back then back in 2022 with this 3900 K these things they knew it they were the maker of these CPUs they know exactly how they perform and exactly how they scale and so they've overvolted them out of safety spec for far too long and now it's clearly coming back to play Havoc with them but the problem is as we talked about before is I believe there's silicon is just not as good as tsmc and so that is the biggest reason I think Intel's fell off in the competition with AMD here but not just fell off they've been derailed but ironically it wasn't by the competition it was by their own handso Intel have released their latest micr code update via a bios update through the motherboard Partners in what they say will help with instability problems but you guys have been messaging me behind the scenes in comment sections Discord messages telling me you want to have a video on this subject I was going to save it till next month till I got back to Australia but I just got flooded with messages so today we are looking into this problem and we have found some really scary information here the deeper I dig with this whole situation the more problems I see and I do apologize in advance for the tone of my voice in today's video I know it's it's not going to be pretty much like that time when JD Fortune got injected from in excess but straight away my analysis has pretty much came down to one big problem with these CPUs a huge problem and that is the vdd CPU voltage in other words voltage Direct that's what vdd stands for it is based on the CPU it's also a sensor on the CPU that monitors I guess the max voltage that can come through the CPU and be provided to any component on that CPU there's also the vcore voltage which is the motherboard's voltage sensor and that's its own external sensor however in this case I believe it is not as accurate as the vdd sensor which is located on the CPU then lastly there is vid voltage as well as IMC voltage viid standing for voltage identification this is the voltage that your CPU CES request they don't necessarily get that voltage all the time but they request that voltage and if there's a difference and they don't get enough voltage then of course you can get instability problems that way too however all the aforementioned voltages are very important especially the three that are located on the CPU though the vdd CPU voltage this is extremely important because out of the box whether we go back to the first bios iteration which was on this system here and by the way this is a I believe kind of a fresh 13900 K that I haven't touched since I had the problems last year so this CPU was in this system this was the second variant I had of the 13900 K back when I was having issues and I just wanted to try another CPU this CPU on this motherboard had the initial iteration of BIOS on it this was the 2011 on the taii Carrera z790 and this has the micro code called 10e on board now the latest bios interation is the 0x1 129 micro code revision the one before that was the 0 x125 today we tested all three of these micr code revisions and we found some shocking uh results here the first of being that the vdd CPU voltage is running out of spec on all three of these biases and even on the so-called safe base line profile from Intel now what is the safety limit from this vdd CPU voltage spec you may ask well it's 1.3 volt and under and we can see this via changing the values in the bias themselves when we go above 1.3 volt this goes red now the only reason this goes red is because ASRock have been advised from Intel that this is the setting where it should turn red and then they've passed that information onto us via this red symbol in the Bios when we start changing this value means it's dangerous it means it's out of safety spec and this has been going on for the life of motherboard tuning when you're in the Bios and the text changes color now in all circumstances when we run these tests and by the way I have for this video disabled all the ecores because I don't believe the ecor are the problem here I believe it's the peores and the high speeds and the high voltages applied to these peores and so what we're seeing here with these peores is every single time I run these tests we're going with a CPU vdd up to 1.42 4 volt which is way out of spec it's way above that 1.3 volt that's recommended in the Bios as the safety limit though there's so many other inconsistencies and problems that I came into that today is going to be more like a journey than anything and we'll talk all about it with benchmarks gaming benchmarks as well as Center bench results right after today's video sponsor if you want to get rid of this annoying activate Windows message then today's video sponsor SCD Keys has you covered for as little as $15 US after you enter that coupon code bftc you can cop yourself a legit single end user license today also works for Windows 11 Pro too links in description below welcome back to Tech yes City in this case we have tested 1 2 3 4 five different scenarios on the CPUs and the configurations here and we found some very concerning results the first thing is the initial bios release gives out the best results in terms of not just performance in games which we'll get on to right now but also in terms of efficiency which we'll get on to a little bit later let's take a look at 720p results here because we are just going to absolutely weed out differences here and what we've done here in today's video we've set the memory speeds manually to 6,000 MHz now you're probably like Brian that's way too low for memory speeds these things can go much higher 7200 mehz Etc but on the flip side I believe that's actually a big part of the problem and I'm going to be recommending at the end of this video you drop your memory speeds along with another voltage that we talked about earlier in the video but let's get on to these results here 6,000 MHz memory cl32 720p Boulders Gate 3 now the Baseline profile made zilch of a difference between the default profile versus manually setting in this Baseline profile for games here and in fact the Baseline profile on the X1 129 micr code revision scored clearly the worst vers all the other results here in today's video and what was surprising is it even lost to a 5.2 GHz all core on the initial 10e micro code revision so there is a trend right from this first game here and the results that is starting to begin and we'll talk about that a little bit later too but let's get on to CS2 here counter- strike 2 and what we got was again the same scenario the 129 bios was performing the worst both on the Baseline profile and again the default profile out of the box which both of these were performing pretty much identical it didn't really make a difference but then we go now to cinebench and here is where we were scoring the worst results again on these new Baseline and default settings on X1 129 in other words we were running hotter temperatures we were running more wattage and we were getting slightly inferior scores on these cinebench results to the point where my final test I decided to lock 5.2 GHz manually in and this is probably the most interesting of all the results that I saw here in relation to cinebench and here is where we were getting on the Baseline profile at 5.2 GHz or cores versus the initial release bias this is the 10e micro code revision versus this latest one we're getting wattage that was going from 158 Watt with vids of 1.27 vol now going all the way up to 1.33 Vol with 184 watts and we're getting similar performance although it was slightly higher on the initial bias revision so on the contrary here what we're seeing with these new micr code revisions is we're seeing increased voltages which is leading to increased power consumption increased wattage all because I believe looking at these results so far the trend is is that something may be degrading on these CPUs so Intel is combating that via just giving it more juice at the same levels but what I don't understand here is why doesn't Intel release a proper Baseline profile why don't they just say okay let's drop the all calls down to 5 GHz drop it down to 1.3 volt on that vdd setting within the actual safety spec and then drop down say your IMC voltage as well to 1.3 volt and just say look don't take your memory speeds above 6,000 MHz because the problem I was having here was even on the initial bias release this is more information that we're going to dig into was when I set 5.2 GHz all cores and even 5 GHz all cores and I dropped that CPU vdd voltage down initially to 1.3 volt my computer was just getting blue screens it wouldn't Boot and I was scratching my head going what's going on on here why isn't it booting properly but then I changed the IMC voltage to 1.3 volt manually and so that was running higher at 1.4v as well but then I remembered back in the day there was certain voltages that you had to run at or below other voltages on the CPU and clearly the IMC is one of those voltages that you have to run at or below the cpu's vdd voltage and so once we did that our computer then booted into Windows absolutely fine and so for me personally that confidently gives me all the information I need to know here Intel basically has said we're going to keep the advertise speeds for you guys we're going to keep giving you those advertised speeds but we're going to do so in a manner that's just increasing the power consumption increasing the voltage over time knowing very well that the CPUs will start to throttle and here's the last Benchmark we're going to show up the CPU temperatures which have also radically increased to the point where they're now thermal throttling on these later micr code revisions and so we're going to keep doing this in hopes that our CPUs can just prolong their life and not have any instability issues and I think they just hoping until these things run out of warranty they'll be in the clearer when core Ultra releases it'll just wash everything away but what you getting here is just an inferior experience as time goes on and I think they can't do a release where they say hey just disable all your eals drop your speeds down to 5 GHz or 5.2 GHz and drop the voltages to within what what's actually safe from our own guidelines I think they can't do that because they advertise much higher speeds on the box and that'd be in a world of pain when it comes to the legal side of things but I'm not a lawyer this is one thing that I would love to get clarification on is what are the legal ramifications of intel if they would actually give you a proper safety spec with these CPUs and those vdd voltages were then running at 1 .3 Vol properly all day every day as well as all the other voltages were within a proper safety spec what would be the ramifications of that that's the one thing I can't tell you in today's video but what I can tell you from today's results with this 3 900k is that the CPUs initially were giving out better performance and they had better voltages much safer voltages too than what's being used in these micr code revisions and also you were getting as a result of that better performance whether my CPU was with the peores not throttling out of the box at 5.5 GHz all core but then it's throttling and using up much more power and then at 5.2 GHz it's also using up a lot more power so at this stage you may be asking me what exactly do you think the problem is here with these Intel CPUs 13th and 14th gen and I think it goes back to what I was told over a year ago in terms of the input out put Hub is now directly off the die and when I did my research on this architecture it was essentially a chiplet design that was then sort of brought into a monolithic design it was a very unique design of a CPU and I think somewhere along the lines Intel lost control over certain elements of the CPU and so for me personally it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that dropping the vdd voltage then causes instability on booting issues but then if you want to run higher memory speeds you can't drop that vdd voltage if you get what I'm saying so I believe there's a problem here where perhaps the IMC voltage was directly linked to another component on the CPU and that component does need much higher voltage and over time that's caused perhaps another part of the CPU to then degrade and so Intel's then fixing it via just pumping even more voltage and heat in the hopes that the problem over time will just get washed away and I know that's a crazy Theory but the results and the progress from Intel themselves and what I'm seeing here makes no sense whatsoever there's not a safety profile here at all nothing's safe about these new settings and in fact they're much worse than the original settings that were released for consumers back in 2022 anyhow going forward my personal recommendation would be with these CPUs go back to the earliest bius revision that works stable for you and then take the CPU CES down to 5.2 GHz manually go to your vdd CPU voltage drop that down to 1.3 volt drop also your IMC voltage down to 1.3 volt and then make sure your memory speeds are running at a level that is stable at that 1.3 volt IMC so in this case 6,000 works fine and if you've got say 7,200 MHz you may wish to tune down the CL timings and tune down the memory speed down to 6,000 or again wherever that Speed Works at that said 1.3 voltage I would recommend doing that but also if you've got lower memory speeds say 5600 MHz just leave it at that it should work absolutely fine if you raise those speeds the memory itself might not be able to boot properly so there's my recommendations there on top of also disabling all your ecores VOA that's an actual safety setting that I've just told you guys even though the performance might not be what you desired in terms of all core cinebench uh scores we are getting much lower temperatures now much uh better wattage and also in games we're getting even better results than these new Baseline profiles with the CPUs running at 5.5 GHz in games so it's one big just massive chicanery of coming out from Intel with these bios up upd dates and I don't believe they fix anything I just believe they're prolonging the problem my results here today just show that this problem has not been fixed at all I think there's going to be people still having instability issues after this micro code update and also further micro code updates it's it's just a sad Trend to see as the bias revisions have come along you've just seen increased vids you've seen increased power consumption and worsening performance but Al the last question on your mind was will be well AMD does this right AMD does this with ryen CPUs especially some of those CPUs out of the box are getting aggressive voltages as well they're going over 1.4 volt Etc and the biggest difference between the ryzen CPUs and the Intel CPUs is that the ryzen CPUs use tsmc silicon and what I can um conclude from today's video is that the tsmc Silicon is far superior than the Intel silicon and so AMD just don't have clearly as many problems to deal with as Intel does with their silicon anyhow guys with all that out of the way I hope you enjoyed today's video if you did then be sure to hit that like button also let us know in the comments section below what are your experiences if you've got one of these CPUs what are your experiences with them what settings have you been using what odd and abnormalities have you been coming into would love reading your thoughts and opinions as always as well as the comments section just I guess working as a bit of a hub for people who are having problems they can sort of talk to each other as well as try and get more answers love all that good stuff let's uh keep being a community but at the same time let's be very critical of Intel here and they released make no mistake they're the ones that released this product and they know exactly what the problem is except they keep giving us this absolute crap that they releasing and they won't get to the real issue because I don't think they want us to know the real issue here and they know it they're just stalling they're clearly stalling with these bios updates that's what I see here and if you've got one of these CPUs and it's your main I feel sorry but again Intel is the one responsible here no one else not the motherboard Partners not URI and also on that token it's not our job to fix Intel's problems we are paying them money that's the product and service we're paying them money they're giving us a product that should just work fine and the last thing I will go over before I get on out of here is why not just bring back the old days of CPUs have it so you have these CPUs that have a lot of headro for overclocking and the enthusiasts can figure out all that stuff but then the average guy the person just buying a PC to play games on and do their stuff on comes into zero issues can we bring that back please because this is what I'm seeing is just a mountain of headaches and it's headaches that I'm sure is coming back to bite Intel all for the sake of chasing AMD on some Benchmark charts but also on that note Intel please start using better silicon and without aside I'll catch you guys in another tech video very soon peace out for now bye also editing this video back I realized I missed out one part of testing that I did but I forgot to talk about and that was allore at 50 from 52 on the initial bios release the 10e what I noticed here was that the power difference between 5 and 5.2 was actually quite substantial as well as the vid voltages that the CPU was requesting in other words after 5 GHz these CPUs start to get really inefficient and they start dropping off big time in other words Intel knew that these CPUs were running way out of spec for far too long and also further evidence of this is in the 5.8 GHz single core boost that I actually wasn't able to achieve out of the box on this initial bias revision it would only go to 5.5 GHz so Intel knew back then back in 2022 with this 3900 K these things they knew it they were the maker of these CPUs they know exactly how they perform and exactly how they scale and so they've overvolted them out of safety spec for far too long and now it's clearly coming back to play Havoc with them but the problem is as we talked about before is I believe there's silicon is just not as good as tsmc and so that is the biggest reason I think Intel's fell off in the competition with AMD here but not just fell off they've been derailed but ironically it wasn't by the competition it was by their own hand\n"