"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enSV Member of Parliament Sandra Bekkeman is verySV Member of Parliament Sandra Bekkeman is verySV Member of Parliament Sandra Bekkeman is verywelcome Thank you for being here and ofwelcome Thank you for being here and ofwelcome Thank you for being here and ofcourse the same applies tocourse the same applies tocourse the same applies toour own political reporter, itour own political reporter, itour own political reporter, itwas another week for me Sandra and uhwas another week for me Sandra and uhwas another week for me Sandra and uhyou did it, I read from ayou did it, I read from ayou did it, I read from aconviction because you believe that people areconviction because you believe that people areconviction because you believe that people arecrushed in the system certainlycrushed in the system certainlycrushed in the system certainlynot Groningen there. How do you think things arenot Groningen there. How do you think things arenot Groningen there. How do you think things aregoing at the moment if you look at thatgoing at the moment if you look at thatgoing at the moment if you look at thatsurvey? Pooh andsurvey? Pooh andsurvey? Pooh andI'm actually sick of it to beI'm actually sick of it to beI'm actually sick of it to behonest and it means more to me thanhonest and it means more to me thanhonest and it means more to me thanI expected and it really is for Rutte,I expected and it really is for Rutte,I expected and it really is for Rutte,um, I I found it very intense toum, I I found it very intense toum, I I found it very intense towatch, especially to see howwatch, especially to see howwatch, especially to see howlittle it affected him, eh, a painfullittle it affected him, eh, a painfullittle it affected him, eh, a painfulexample of it in 2012, such as theexample of it in 2012, such as theexample of it in 2012, such as theearthquake near Huizingen. Yes, and then there wasearthquake near Huizingen. Yes, and then there wasearthquake near Huizingen. Yes, and then there wasState supervision of mine, whichState supervision of mine, whichState supervision of mine, whichsaid you must nowsaid you must nowsaid you must nowstart gas extraction as quickly as possible. er reducestart gas extraction as quickly as possible. er reducestart gas extraction as quickly as possible. er reduceand the cabinet did not do that er and thatand the cabinet did not do that er and thatand the cabinet did not do that er and thatYes, after that a record amount of gas wasYes, after that a record amount of gas wasYes, after that a record amount of gas wasextracted so we wanted to knowextracted so we wanted to knowextracted so we wanted to knowand what Rutte said was Welland what Rutte said was Welland what Rutte said was Wellit didn't bother me that much in 2013 not init didn't bother me that much in 2013 not init didn't bother me that much in 2013 not in2014 not in 15 not in 16 not in 172014 not in 15 not in 16 not in 172014 not in 15 not in 16 not in 17not and she fits in 2018 I realizednot and she fits in 2018 I realizednot and she fits in 2018 I realizedwhat had happened in 2013 and that Yeswhat had happened in 2013 and that Yeswhat had happened in 2013 and that Yesyou know when you are in the middle of that andyou know when you are in the middle of that andyou know when you are in the middle of that andsee how people have really been crushed and aresee how people have really been crushed and aresee how people have really been crushed and arestill being crushed by the government and youstill being crushed by the government and youstill being crushed by the government and yousee that nonchalance not being able to remembersee that nonchalance not being able to remembersee that nonchalance not being able to remembernot being able to reconstruct another not beingnot being able to reconstruct another not beingnot being able to reconstruct another not beingable to calculate no longer being able to construct becauseable to calculate no longer being able to construct becauseable to calculate no longer being able to construct becausehe didn't want to see remembering Yes,he didn't want to see remembering Yes,he didn't want to see remembering Yes,well, no memory of it anyway, hewell, no memory of it anyway, hewell, no memory of it anyway, hejust lost a note from Dale, he also didjust lost a note from Dale, he also didjust lost a note from Dale, he also didthat, he laughed, he was sitting in thatthat, he laughed, he was sitting in thatthat, he laughed, he was sitting in thatBrent archive, that's it, isn't it? is really,Brent archive, that's it, isn't it? is really,Brent archive, that's it, isn't it? is really,uh, and span, uh, uh, Rutte, that's ofuh, and span, uh, uh, Rutte, that's ofuh, and span, uh, uh, Rutte, that's ofcourse the whole administrative cul.course the whole administrative cul.course the whole administrative cul.Zoom writes, it's better to just be a dick atZoom writes, it's better to just be a dick atZoom writes, it's better to just be a dick ata time like that,a time like that,a time like that,yes, well, sure. Look, I think it's veryyes, well, sure. Look, I think it's veryyes, well, sure. Look, I think it's veryintense and that's just how it is, but whatintense and that's just how it is, but whatintense and that's just how it is, but whatI think is perhaps the worst what I thinkI think is perhaps the worst what I thinkI think is perhaps the worst what I thinkabout this is that it is not just oneabout this is that it is not just oneabout this is that it is not just oneperson, er, but that it is really theperson, er, but that it is really theperson, er, but that it is really thestate and Shell and exon, er, thestate and Shell and exon, er, thestate and Shell and exon, er, thesupervision that was continued today, it wassupervision that was continued today, it wassupervision that was continued today, it wasstill said, it was just Four Hands on Onestill said, it was just Four Hands on Onestill said, it was just Four Hands on OneBelly, not that Belgian who said yes,Belly, not that Belgian who said yes,Belly, not that Belgian who said yes,I don't have to not to come to be NetherlandsI don't have to not to come to be NetherlandsI don't have to not to come to be NetherlandsYou let go of a nice bee and Ben fromYou let go of a nice bee and Ben fromYou let go of a nice bee and Ben fromburden was an excellent friend of ehburden was an excellent friend of ehburden was an excellent friend of ehMark Rutte actually not that oftenMark Rutte actually not that oftenMark Rutte actually not that oftenit feels that way to easy when it isit feels that way to easy when it isit feels that way to easy when it isalso told that way Well,also told that way Well,also told that way Well,look I wish everyone of course verylook I wish everyone of course verylook I wish everyone of course verygood friends Ehm and that is thegood friends Ehm and that is thegood friends Ehm and that is theproblem I think with the big problemproblem I think with the big problemproblem I think with the big problembut yes the big problem is thatbut yes the big problem is thatbut yes the big problem is thatearning money has always come first and notearning money has always come first and notearning money has always come first and notour Safety and not our well-being andour Safety and not our well-being andour Safety and not our well-being andthat Groningen is very far from The Haguethat Groningen is very far from The Haguethat Groningen is very far from The HagueWhat has What has this resulted in?What has What has this resulted in?What has What has this resulted in?Weeks of interrogations.Weeks of interrogations.Weeks of interrogations.I have heard very little news andI have heard very little news andI have heard very little news andat the same time I think it is a good thing that itat the same time I think it is a good thing that itis clear to everyone in all the ugliness in the broad daylight howis clear to everyone in all the ugliness in the broad daylight howis clear to everyone in all the ugliness in the broad daylight howGroningen, er, has been wronged byGroningen, er, has been wronged byGroningen, er, has been wronged bythe state, er, by Shell, by Exxon, butthe state, er, by Shell, by Exxon, butthe state, er, by Shell, by Exxon, butespecially of course by the Statesespecially of course by the Statesespecially of course by the Statesgovernment that should have been in front of us that should havegovernment that should have been in front of us that should havegovernment that should have been in front of us that should havestood behind us that stoodstood behind us that stoodstood behind us that stoodopposite us to the cityopposite us to the cityopposite us to the citysurcharges feathers is the same casesurcharges feathers is the same casesurcharges feathers is the same caseWe have also seen such a time and weWe have also seen such a time and weWe have also seen such a time and wesaid that whatsaid that whatsaid that whathappened is scandalous But I think there are stillhappened is scandalous But I think there are stillhappened is scandalous But I think there are still10,000 people waiting for10,000 people waiting for10,000 people waiting forall the arrangements in Groningen,all the arrangements in Groningen,all the arrangements in Groningen,at least 20,000 people are still waitingat least 20,000 people are still waitingat least 20,000 people are still waitingfor their house to be repaired, what will thisfor their house to be repaired, what will thisfor their house to be repaired, what will thismean until your house is repaired andmean until your house is repaired andmean until your house is repaired andBut there are still 20,000 unsafe andBut there are still 20,000 unsafe andBut there are still 20,000 unsafe and20,000 people who have suffered damage are20,000 people who have suffered damage are20,000 people who have suffered damage areopen while many peopleopen while many peopleopen while many peopleno longer report damage and I thinkno longer report damage and I thinkno longer report damage and I thinkit is good that you alsoit is good that you alsoit is good that you alsomention surcharges as a scandal because for manymention surcharges as a scandal because for manymention surcharges as a scandal because for manygroups this is a one-on-one comparison,groups this is a one-on-one comparison,groups this is a one-on-one comparison,namely that the government does first eh ehnamely that the government does first eh ehnamely that the government does first eh eheh spoils here theneh spoils here theneh spoils here thenthey shout for the buen very loudly saying sorry,they shout for the buen very loudly saying sorry,they shout for the buen very loudly saying sorry,they are now really coming up with athey are now really coming up with athey are now really coming up with asettlement, after which there is a lot of struggle andsettlement, after which there is a lot of struggle andsettlement, after which there is a lot of struggle andthen nothing happens for a lot ofthen nothing happens for a lot ofthen nothing happens for a lot ofpeople and that wall getting married ispeople and that wall getting married ispeople and that wall getting married isvery characteristic, that is the human image andvery characteristic, that is the human image andvery characteristic, that is the human image andwhat is really very deep in that politics andwhat is really very deep in that politics andwhat is really very deep in that politics andI thought that especially during the er,I thought that especially during the er,I thought that especially during the er,Wiebes's complaint is that it took so longWiebes's complaint is that it took so longWiebes's complaint is that it took so longfor the safety offor the safety offor the safety ofGroningen residents to come first, whoGroningen residents to come first, whoGroningen residents to come first, whopaints an image that he is sitting at, er, thepaints an image that he is sitting at, er, thepaints an image that he is sitting at, er, thedining table by Shades in front of hisdining table by Shades in front of hisdining table by Shades in front of hismind he thinks we can't actually do thismind he thinks we can't actually do thismind he thinks we can't actually do thisthat is of course also athat is of course also athat is of course also avery conscious choice because safetyvery conscious choice because safetyvery conscious choice because safetyfirst means that you should have put us firstfirst means that you should have put us firstfirst means that you should have put us firstand not earn that money forand not earn that money forand not earn that money forhaving to put something on thehaving to put something on thehaving to put something on theNetherlands every year that wasNetherlands every year that wasNetherlands every year that wastaken into account, that was justtaken into account, that was justtaken into account, that was justdiscounted always Yes, that safety ofdiscounted always Yes, that safety ofdiscounted always Yes, that safety ofcourse not at the forefront and I think thatcourse not at the forefront and I think thatcourse not at the forefront and I think thatwhat you see here is very fundamentalwhat you see here is very fundamentalwhat you see here is very fundamentalum you can no longer solve this with uhum you can no longer solve this with uhum you can no longer solve this with uhsomeone leaving or uh the next way uh no matter howsomeone leaving or uh the next way uh no matter howsomeone leaving or uh the next way uh no matter hownecessary that may be thisnecessary that may be thisnecessary that may be thisis very fundamental about how do weis very fundamental about how do weis very fundamental about how do wecontinue with the Netherlands because if we uh againcontinue with the Netherlands because if we uh againcontinue with the Netherlands because if we uh againuh we'll get back to the order of the day thenuh we'll get back to the order of the day thenuh we'll get back to the order of the day thenwe'll go from crisis to crisis towe'll go from crisis to crisis towe'll go from crisis to crisis tocrisis that with benefits they'll show youcrisis that with benefits they'll show youcrisis that with benefits they'll show youat the homes uh I think we have toat the homes uh I think we have toat the homes uh I think we have tostart thinking very fundamentally aboutstart thinking very fundamentally aboutstart thinking very fundamentally abouthow we want to uh govern this countryhow we want to uh govern this countryhow we want to uh govern this countryuh and What role politicsuh and What role politicsuh and What role politicsshould have in this and I thinkshould have in this and I thinkshould have in this and I thinkthat wall marriage That sounds very vaguethat wall marriage That sounds very vaguethat wall marriage That sounds very vaguebut that is very crucial that mustbut that is very crucial that mustbut that is very crucial that mustbe demolished eh and thatbe demolished eh and thatbe demolished eh and thatthat um eh interrelationship umthat um eh interrelationship umthat um eh interrelationship umbetween the state and those large companiesbetween the state and those large companiesbetween the state and those large companieseh must be demolished that there, er, that supervisioneh must be demolished that there, er, that supervisioneh must be demolished that there, er, that supervisionneeds to be much, much sharper, that it reallyneeds to be much, much sharper, that it reallyneeds to be much, much sharper, that it reallyneeds to be demolished, but alsoneeds to be demolished, but alsoneeds to be demolished, but alsogenerations of police are coming, eh, that's whatgenerations of police are coming, eh, that's whatgenerations of police are coming, eh, that's whatI think too and I think that it is theI think too and I think that it is theI think too and I think that it is thesame groups of people every time whosame groups of people every time whosame groups of people every time whotake the hit because that makes also sotake the hit because that makes also sotake the hit because that makes also sorecognizable for those allowancesrecognizable for those allowancesrecognizable for those allowancesparents eh and Groningen It is very muchparents eh and Groningen It is very muchparents eh and Groningen It is very muchrecognized in you just don't matterrecognized in you just don't matterrecognized in you just don't matterto the government you don'tto the government you don'tto the government you don'tmatter between the allowances Affair and ummatter between the allowances Affair and ummatter between the allowances Affair and umand Groningen that has also been in society for a very long time Itand Groningen that has also been in society for a very long time Ittook some time for journalism totook some time for journalism totook some time for journalism toget attention, so it wasn't just the governmentget attention, so it wasn't just the governmentget attention, so it wasn't just the governmentor Clyde that it took so longor Clyde that it took so longor Clyde that it took so longin both cases. Well, because itin both cases. Well, because itin both cases. Well, because itactually makes the people of Groningen alsoactually makes the people of Groningen alsoactually makes the people of Groningen alsofeel left behind, I think becausefeel left behind, I think becausefeel left behind, I think becauseyes, it is Groningen. need the gasyes, it is Groningen. need the gasyes, it is Groningen. need the gasIt generates a lot of moneyIt generates a lot of moneyIt generates a lot of moneyand it took a very long time before anything wasand it took a very long time before anything wasand it took a very long time before anything wasadded to the surcharges it also took so longadded to the surcharges it also took so longadded to the surcharges it also took so longin journalismin journalismin journalismbefore there was attention for it And itbefore there was attention for it And itbefore there was attention for it And itis also it is also of course no it isis also it is also of course no it isis also it is also of course no it isno nice topic in a lot of peopleno nice topic in a lot of peopleno nice topic in a lot of peoplewho hear it say intense things to mewho hear it say intense things to mewho hear it say intense things to mewho think Oh well, but that's Space iswho think Oh well, but that's Space iswho think Oh well, but that's Space isalways negative Maybe yes, um,always negative Maybe yes, um,always negative Maybe yes, um,but look for example driving here and Ibut look for example driving here and Ibut look for example driving here and Ithink you recognize that, don't you, who hasthink you recognize that, don't you, who hasthink you recognize that, don't you, who hasthat image of those Groningen who are in thethat image of those Groningen who are in thethat image of those Groningen who are in thejourney that happened literallyjourney that happened literallyjourney that happened literallyfell over at the moment that the cabinet Isfell over at the moment that the cabinet Isfell over at the moment that the cabinet Isthe Shina on the signs I park and have beenthe Shina on the signs I park and have beenthe Shina on the signs I park and have beenwarned again and again if youwarned again and again if youwarned again and again if youdon't refill that pot then this is whatdon't refill that pot then this is whatdon't refill that pot then this is whatwill happen\n"