Designing VR Keyboards: A New Frontier in Virtual Reality Experience

The concept of using a keyboard in Virtual Reality (VR) is still in its infancy, but it has the potential to revolutionize the way we interact with virtual environments. The idea of having a keyboard that can track movement and respond accordingly is not only exciting but also makes a lot of sense when considering the need for more immersive experiences in VR.

One of the most interesting aspects of designing VR keyboards is the possibility of incorporating trackers that can provide real-time feedback to the user. This could include using infrared (IR) lights or four diodes, which can track the movement of the keyboard and respond accordingly. Additionally, capacitive sensors on the keys would allow for precise tracking of finger placement, enabling a more intuitive and immersive experience.

The concept of having a fan as an accessory for VR is also worth exploring. The idea of using variable speed fans to provide haptic feedback in VR is a game-changer. Imagine being able to feel the wind rushing past you or the rumble of engines beneath your feet - it would be an entirely new level of immersion. This technology doesn't necessarily require developers to create custom experiences, as the fan can track movement and respond accordingly.

The potential for this technology lies in its ability to enhance the gaming experience without requiring exclusive games to utilize it. Developers could potentially use this hardware to provide a sense of wind or other environmental effects, such as the sound of drums or other noises that are relevant to the game. This would require some processing power and a good understanding of how to integrate the technology into existing games.

One of the challenges with incorporating this kind of technology is distinguishing between real-world sounds and those generated by the fan. However, if executed correctly, it could lead to an entirely new level of immersion in VR experiences.

Recent Developments and Future Directions

In recent developments, we've been testing a new product that's going to be released next week. While details are still scarce, we're excited about its potential impact on VR gaming and interaction. We'll have more information on this soon, so stay tuned!

Meanwhile, other projects and collaborations are worth mentioning. One such project is Zef VR, an accessory for the Oculus system that mounts fans underneath your head. This technology has the potential to provide a new level of immersion in VR experiences, particularly when it comes to haptic feedback.

Additionally, we've had some exciting news from the world of toy design and customization. Designer Kahn will be attending the upcoming convention, where he'll be showcasing his latest project - a custom figure that's sure to impress. We're looking forward to seeing what he has in store for us!

As for our own team, we've got an event lined up for next week, where we'll be discussing all things related to emoji design and creation. Stay tuned for more information on this upcoming episode.

Outro

And that's a wrap! We hope you enjoyed this article on designing VR keyboards and the exciting developments in this field. From haptic feedback to fan-powered accessories, there are plenty of innovative ideas being explored in the world of Virtual Reality. We'll be back next week with more news, updates, and insights - so stay tuned!

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typing phones because it falls once my hands are tired it falls and that wakes me up again well I'm a cycle don't buy $1000 phone then that just shatters upon impact that's like how would you get to that some sick burns over there from the Android ringing yeah but man huh we're like a week and a half removed from the live show and it's still it feels fresh in my mind still got the live show highs really it feels like a year ago you've been doing events every single night multiple for for the Bay Area Science Festival that runs for another couple days yep runs through Saturday when we have our finale at 18t Park we're about 30,000 people are coming for hands-on science day are you guys afraid of rain potential rain no I looked at the long-range weather forecast it's gonna rain Thursday okay and not again till Sunday oh great but can I tell you the thing I'm most excited about that's happening this weekend what's happening the so San Francisco has a professional soccer team called the deltas now and they play keys our stadium which is like two blocks from my house yes and we went to a game that's what high schoolers yeah this is totally like a high school Stadium and we went to a game and it was so much fun there was like a band playing there's you know it was really family-friendly it was cheap like tickets were like five bucks totally enjoyable Delta's made the playoffs we went to the semi-finals on Sunday night we won we're hosting the finals this Sunday at Keys our state and Delta's this is great news San Francisco deltas oh also it came out that they're almost bankrupt and probably will fold so this may be their last game who do they play other cities in California or they're playing the New York City cosmos a national thing oh yeah it's a it's a 10 team week whole again with cities from Canada through the US cheese all right way to go deltas oh okay you guys do anything fun over the weekend any activities over the weekend but it wasn't Halloween with it no no I was last week yeah time goes by fast nothing I got nothing nothing Wow I mean I went I went to a soccer game I went to a bunch of Science Festival events but yeah that's what what's going on for me but it was also my birthday this week oh happy happy birthday thanks for everyone that wish me a happy birthday yeah the knowing things did they go no yeah no thanks to the whoever is running the tested Facebook feed was outing me for my weird science channel outing I was on Science Channel rope I was very excited about it right felt like too excited about a rope I was on a show called strange evidence I think it was called which was basically like closed archival yeah it was it's like the the CCTV feeds and it's like I don't understand what happened can somebody try to explain this and I was on that show it was fine it was totally fun to be on but the clip they have me on is being like how did these cars just come to a full stop across this road and it's litter there's like this metal rope coming across the road Wow I went to the Alameda flea market that's a big deal yeah massive flea market you can pay early to get in you die which is I actually get in early so like early what do you think is early I think we might get crack at dawn yeah yeah say Lee normal price for starting at 5 bucks for a nine o'clock entry that's fine I'm not gonna make nine o'clock entry on a Sunday morning no in Alameda but people go really cracker dawn okay 20 bucks to buy things and it's a massive flea market it's the place it's the it's the the the place where Mythbusters you should shoot so the literally in the Alameda the docks I guess you would call them this big kind of airfield but it's like just that runway it's a runway that's what it is it sounds like but it looks it's packed it looks like a big bazaar and you can spend hours and hours there these are did you that's like the elephant like how do you pronounce it Babar yeah so did you buy anything um Danica bought a bunch of stuff we we collect two things we collect vintage 1970s Pepsi Co DC Comics glasses vintage glasses Wow like the kinds they sold at gas stations yes Jack has a huge collection of those and she's eagle-eyed she knows like for example like Shazam Noah wants to Sam you try to sell me just remember 20 bucks you probably 16 bucks too much because there I think the flea market experience is different now because of eBay thankfully yeah there's no reception whatsoever in the flea market reception what do you mean like a no cell reception so you can check right well aren't gonna be on eBay or whatever looking at stuff I thought you meant like shrimp and tartar sauce and like drinks Oh entire flea market is flanked by food trucks so you can have your cuddle corn you can walk around it's great jets taking pictures of things they're like if you're not gonna buy self a lot of cool furniture a lot of like we're tin toys yet signage we picked up a paint-by-numbers other thing that we collect and we got some really good deals on some paint by numbers will you be going back it's my third time there oh you gone back gone this is my third time there secret life I've never gone I'm so interested in going yeah but I'm curious what load-in looks like for that like it must be like building a small city it is because the cars they are there they can't run the cars they can't run power but it's rows and rows of people with carpets rolled out tables set up all their wares and then they have a very efficient system of the trucks coming in from the sides to load things for that people buy if you do buy furniture not everything it's not a it's not like going into an antique store and finding like the rare thing that the owner didn't know yeah what is this a salt shaker no it's a curta calculator like I'll pay you five bucks for it it's not that because everyone there knows the value of their things it's about finding a thing that you can't otherwise don't want to wait for shipping for or you can haggle or you just like see it in person and discover that thing exists so it's great for discovery is there classic computer games and technology like computers there was Sean Charlesworth and he said he saw this classic robot but it was way overpriced um no classic computer games all right there were Xbox games Expo I guess that's vintage yeah let me like it like arcade games that kind of thing I did see like old like clinical machines and like that no no pinball like it's more it does feel like antique store stuff there's stuff you would put on the counter stuff you put in the kitchen you know lots of interesting Heat teacups and cookware the thing that I I love and we got one of these last time we went but I always love looking at them are the the Hamilton drawers so they're typesetting typesetters so yeah type set of drawers which can be repurposed as display cases so you hang them up on your wall and they hold what previously they would be holding like letterpress and now they would you can put like little trinkets and things of them when Mark du Bois is in the office a while ago he said the the VK machine from the original Blade Runner actually has a typesetter drawer and oh alright not another awkward alright let's talk about some pop culture news now I want to do Antiques Roadshow tested edition and I will evaluate it I love that actually then be fun you have to do it exactly in the same style we get like so it's yeah appraised all the old video games oh it would just be Jerry being mad be like how could this not be appraised for a million dollars this game so it's like it's like the viewer side the camera on the viewer in front of the TV is so wrong about that thing just watch thorne this weekend not yet oh I did watch sorry okay I watched Thor as well I watched the first one oh okay well because this is clearly the best of the Thor films it is and I think it builds on what was great about the first one what people liked about the first one the fish out of water or the comedy it really leans into that did you enjoy the first door I did I was shocked by just when I saw who the director was Oh Kenneth Branagh hannett's Branagh what that's awesome well the one that was first some context when they first announced Thor Thor was a risky character just like Iron Man was a risky character for Marvel Thor I believe was the second Marvel film I could be very wrong about this I believe his Iron Man Thor then Captain America First Avenger throat was right before Avengers I think no because Thor 2 came out before then at the very end of Thor like the post-credits sequence its Loki eyeing the that's right right it's it was sorry and it was Iron Man Captain America then Thor then we had the event and of course Hawk was universal I did like it I liked all the fish-out-of-water stuff that you mentioned yeah like that Thor was a newer character right all felt fresh but kenneth branagh hood you know directed hamlet and many experiences he seemed like a perfect fit mom he was a great fit for Thor 1 because of the his portrayal of Asgard I think he really set the tone of creating what it would be like it's not Game of Thrones but it's like what it'll be like for a species of aliens to be gods and have on to live on this the plan of their own and slightly arrogant Thor is kind of fun yeah we got a little bit return of that yes yes which is great because we got kind of morose sad Thor in the second movie yeah moody Thor yeah and speaking with on the second Thor was directed by a game of Thrones director so sick one was really dark you know Dark Elves it was very like Earth is in peril third one know that what I loved about it it wasn't about the earth being in peril or any planet being it was just like a survival story Asgard was in peril sure but it's not something that the viewer you relate to like okay there the planet London is in peril San Francisco no it's it's like the Lord his own adventure so my only criticism of that movie or my main criticism of the movie is that it almost was tried to be too comedic like because there would be just these punch down lines it would just appear in the height of some of the climactic battle what's wrong with that I guess not it's nothing Phillip yeah it sounds like guardians of the guy was totally totally they said Guardians had a lot of the people love Guardians they love that but visually not let his distinct it did not look like guardians it had an almost Jack Kirby esque color tone to it so it was very new gods and Jeff Goldblum was great Nate I don't there's a little bit of controversy and we'll talk about all the controversy surrounding Thor not gonna plot details but one of the controversies is that people are unhappy somewhat that the big second act reveal was like in the first teaser trailer and that oh the like the character Riviere character reveal yeah and like I don't know how you get away from that because that was such a big part I mean the Hulk thanks Jeremy no everyone I mean people refer to this as a buddy cop film we right yeah it's like but like the film doesn't play it as everyone knows I thought that was first scene no the middle plays it as like all Thor's not gonna know that this is gonna the audience is gonna love this but like and yes the moment is is awesome the reveal still has a great impact but 100 percent lessened because it was just the part of the marketing campaign I think they had to do it as part of the marketing campaign because all the money's yeah to make all the money though I thought there was still a cameo that was amazing mmm in this movie I'm trying to think of what I'm talking about or you know nothing is a play yes yes yes yes yeah did you see any Infinity stones I shall not discuss this Wow okay so is this it we're not gonna go it's not a full spool or cast but there is a scene not well related to the plot of the film that acknowledges an easter egg in Hulk and and oh yeah yeah walking through the huh yeah so in Thor one I'm sorry Thor one Odin has his chamber of trophies yeah right and that's where that that's where what's the ice giants they break in it they break so it's where the test Rack is held it's a cask of ancient winters right there the eternal flame and what's the villain are in the big century guy the Guardian destroy destroy yes yes destroyers with the fire vision yes yes and then the great body armor so that's like Odin's chamber and in Thor one we get a fleeting glimpse of Thanos gauntlet the Infinity complicating it is literally it's a master with gems it's in the background people freaked out because this is a before Avengers 1 yeah and like Odin has Infinity Gauntlet it's gonna be huge plot point in the in the Avengers film it's gonna be like that's where it is we know where it is now the prop showed up at Comic Con that exact prop was brought out four minutes at comic-con rolled out literally unveiled then veiled and rolled away and obviously that's not the Infinity Gauntlet because at the Stinger at the end of I believe Ultron right or no no guardian guardians yeah where he ins - no no guardians one more thinnest goes my fine I'll do it myself it myself that's right and he he yeah he has the gauntlet he puts on the gauntlet right so he has a gauntlet so they acknowledge that there are two gauntlets no that's not a mistake car like it no they say they played up for comedy interesting yeah it's a great scene a quick question about door one does the Natalie Portman storyline continuent door - hey that's continued to make is a important part mate maybe is like the only story in in Thor - okay cuz it was gone in Avengers like that surprised me that they had that whole arc happening and then nothing in ventures eight they mention her do they yeah yeah so in the ventures one but they mentioned her in both Avengers actually in Avengers 1 Coulson goes when they went Thor is on the Helicarrier for the first time they're coming together Coulson Agent Coulson goes to Ori we found dr. I forget her name Jane Jane Foster dr. Foster we've excluded her away because Salva has been mind change like wow she's been she's a secure location Thor you know to worry about her so they threw that in for the fans they didn't want to cast her over my helm and then in Avengers 2 in the party scene in Avengers Tower they do I think is it Iron Man yeah I think it's it's Iron Man and Thor have like who's whose girlfriend is better or Thor wasn't James better Jane's Oh Jane so national physicists and and has won many prizes many awards there's an odd in this film too so I say I was surprised and to your question about Infinity stones I was surprised at what did or did not happen in this movie because you were convinced I was a hundred percent convinced and it was wrong huh it's okay be wrong sometimes that's what life is a scientist but you know what that means that means I'm camping out for Black Panther Wow yeah you know the black time that looks amazing uh I watched in Dolby cinema and totally worth it 100 years old and Dolby cinema now the experience ee senate this time wasn't as earth-shattering as Blade Runner and Dolby cinema but I love that screen I love that sound all of the reclining seats I think it's just as good as if not better than IMAX for film that's not actually shot in eighty millimeter IMAX and I close my ears during the force awakens for the last Jedi trailer oh wow I did your ears I did the jonad did his full choice from le eyes-closed la la la all the people sitting around you were pissed off I buried my head in Danica's shoulder okay I'm sure in a couple years they're gonna come up with a way of like if you do not want to see this trailer right they'll be like sensory deprivation no they want you to see the trailers they're there the trailers or they'll be fine yeah they've already sold the ticket I know they've already sold the ticket but yeah I guess our controversy with or the movie made a ton of money like hundred twenty two million or something and opening weekend exceeding all expectations but and the reviews were glowing you know I think at one point on Rotten Tomatoes the highest the most well reviewed Marvel movie not only of the year I think of all Marvel movies at 94% its little own now not all could review and not everyone could review it you would think that publication as prestigious and established as Los Angeles Times would be among the early reviewers and they have apparently as of last week they were blackballed from reviewing Marvel films they did not get access to early screenings partly because they had been reporting on Disney's relationships with Anaheim yeah and some potential not for us to say shady business practices it was uh it was a really long form story on the link between Disney and Anaheim politicians was around a parking garage it was an ongoing story right yeah they kept reporting on it yeah yeah so this is a lengthy story about just sort of give backs this the city has made concessions to Disney around you know certain public land and so what wasn't clear to me from the story was the LA Times thinks that's why they got punished by this but was it ever overtly clear that that that Disney said because you are doing this they just banned them without a reason right right right so people just assume it's because of that story yeah is that a do you think it's a wrong assumption yeah I don't think it's a wrong assumption but I'm just you know trying to be clear about this yeah about what we know okay and other outlets had then come out and join the only times in solidarity and talk about not reviewing Marvel films until the ban was lifted and it worked yeah and it's now lifted put it like particularly some writers groups and awards groups they said we will not be awarding Disney any awards this year for any films Wow unless this ban is that's great yeah don't let the studios bully you as a journalist like freedom of the press is important especially this year where there's so much animosity towards the press yeah yes yeah now of course it is a Studios prerogative to allow any reviewer a DV once - to review any product or any any company right early reviews like it there's nothing stopping LA Times from going day one you know going to a midnight showing and writing a review but it's about the early access and when it's all about you know the hunt for these eyeballs and and and servicing the reader you want to give the bit of the best most Farris and review you can so I'm glad that's that's something that the the press one out on in other industries that may not have been the case you know there's been some notable blackballing and and the games industry for example suspicion of that happening in the NFL right now yeah yeah and then some other controversy with Walt Disney Studios from sort of how long this is really news it's funny of course Disney owns Lucasfilm was releasing the last Jedi this December and their relationships not only with the press but also with the theater groups themselves the very venues which will be making them all the money's in December is strained because some reports say Disney has given these theater owners and theater groups like AMC Regal whatever century new terms yes so what's the deal I i've only read the headlines on this because it seems kind of you know i'm gonna see the movie i don't need to know the inside baseball in this but but they were requiring a larger take from the theaters yes it's all business right so i I didn't realize this myself I've thought it was a very standard practice that there was a industry-wide standard of the cut just like you would have for App Store for something right like theaters take theaters make most of their money from concessions and from upselling yes right and the other value-adds arcades or whatever and most of the gross ticket sales goes to the studio and I didn't realize there was even much of a cut at all yeah it seems that at least for Star Wars the cut is as previous it was as high as 64% went to the studios the rest 36% went to the theater chain and the new terms is has boosts that up too apparently the according to some reports 65% which 1% of a billion dollars yeah is honey ten million dollars spread spread evenly from theater chains but it's more about forcing if you if you're a theater you want to screen the last Jedi the last Jedi has to be in your best screen for a month the month art there's what I think the theater owners had issue with because if if you're your asset as a theater owner is your screens right that the number of screens the quality screens if you have an IMAX screen Adobe cinema screen the highest value ticket is in that screen and typically it's the first two weeks of us the most important and it should be your prerogative ever movies doing well to keep that movie playing cuz to everyone benefits but to force a movie to say contractually this has to be on your best screen for the high stickit sales that you can't make any other you can't you know their big release that's a big deal I think it's big the place that it bothers me is is not the the multiplex is because they can they have enough screens to make this work it's the art art house smaller places that maybe they want to screen some of the Oscar films that are coming out at the end of December and this would kind of put that a block on some of that I feel like there's a very clear symbiotic relationship between the studios and the theaters that this disrespects you know it's an everyone's interest to have the best best selling movie in the best screen the theater owners are gonna want to do that as long as it makes sense right right once there aren't there isn't the audience and doesn't make sense and they need a smaller theater they should be able to do that totally and the a pair of according to the reports the contract contractual terms indicated that if the theater was to violate and take Star Wars off of their best screen you know the third week or earlier in the fourth week they're cut to Disney for that run will get bumped to 70% as a penalty yeah I could understand theaters just not wanting to stomach that and that's what some theaters did and they said they are not gonna be playing the last Jedi that which sucks for everyone I mean can you believe it can you believe that it wouldn't make financial sense for theaters to show it Wow I mean that's what it came yeah yeah and I don't know exactly how the politics work because for example in most major cities there in downtown areas you have a ton of theaters right but there are different chains and sometimes it feels like certain chains get some movies and certain chains don't get they don't compete they don't they don't have AMC and century that are across the street from each other they both they don't both have the Batman film so if one has the Batman film one has the Star Wars film or something so I don't know exactly how it works apparently that the typical cut is about 50 to 60 percent of the gross goes back to the studio from ticket sales which totally deserving of you know it's their film they made the movie but it's not easy to run a theater as a business yeah speaking of more movie news uh you know Justice League comes out like a week and a half is that true yeah just yeah I couldn't be less excited about that man rides in the front of the Batmobile and jumps off yes yes Wow just like every every commercial I see for it every trailer makes me less excited because it's just all like frenetic movement no story yeah don't think the rest of the film a story that's thinking of a real bad did you see the the jiff of gal gadot using the Wonder Woman Instagram filter Nora alright what is it snapchat snapchat no it's great okay the tiara and it makes her Wonder Woman that's interesting she smiles it's great that's great yeah pretty smile I like like the actors having fun with their roles James Corden - really fun with Thor all the cast members of Thor did a fake stage play of thor ragnarok no.4 for surprising to surprise an audience who thought they were going to a screening it was it was a gag that's amazing it's got ten minute video actually totally worth watching anyway this this year oh my gosh yeah this year we had the mummy reboot which is supposed to eat Universal Studios first film in their shared cinematic universe called the dark universe oh poor guys yeah and it was the mummy it was me all their monsters right so the mummy I guess Wolfman who else dr. Jekyll mr. Hyde was gonna be one they had already cast a bunch of characters of Tom Cruise Russell Crowe all these big name actors Johnny Depp everyone Invisible Man all these people involved now it's gonna be put on hold so no because we both saw the mummy and was like this is terrible yeah yeah I think it's more point like you can't force a cinematic universe to happen you can't make that the business plan and and and jump right in you gotta build make good movies first so it gives me a little bit of fear because there's also like the Godzilla shared universe and I like both the first Godzilla film the reboot and also Kong Skull Island and there's another one so that shared universe makes more sense than a monster universe with that we don't associate those characters as being linked yeah yeah no totally true I mean movie studios are they want I pee right like one that's one of the reasons people enviously call Disney the IP Factory because they owned so much yeah and they they did they made the right business decisions in terms of buying up Lucasfilm you know Star Wars and he had a jokester and buying up Pixar and buying up Marvel Marvel Comics and there was a business deal reported earlier this week that is unconfirmed and apparently is not an active discussion but Disney was in talks about 20th Century Fox Studios yeah not the TV stuff so we're not talk about Simpsons we're not talking about x-files not talking about 24 that or American Idol but we're talking about the Fox Film French which include all of the mutants all the roster of fantastic for mutants Deadpool and Recor that all back into the Disney family and the x-men and also aliens predator I mean all these care imagine that in Disney and the Disney family it's tough for me to imagine because like I couldn't if Disney owned Deadpool we would not have the same get no we wouldn't have gotten that Deadpool that's yeah we might have gotten Ryan Reynolds but not that right right kind of crazy typical so I'm both in favor of this and against it like I'm in favor of the idea of a cohesive Marvel Universe just because like there's no reason for those characters not to overlap but at some point like this is like all the telecoms merging together like we're losing some story credibility and an interesting stuff that could potentially happen yeah and I get that Fox's made some terrible movies yup these characters recently with the exception of Deadpool but I still don't I don't want a Disney fight universe where it's Kevin Feige running everything yeah I mean I think it makes what they did with Sony made a lot of sense with spider-man you know work out a business deal to cross pollinate and to give some of the Disney Magic some of that Marvel Studios magic and direction tell influence some of the films that could use help like Fantastic Four those franchises but I don't think they need to own everything or to be have their fingers and everything but new IPs are are rare and they're coveted and it's one of the reasons Netflix found an exclusive relationship with comic book creator Mark Millar Miller world and Netflix next year born out of this relationship will be releasing its very first comic book series Netflix publishing a comic book oh like a physical comic a physical comic book yeah oh that weird I don't get it yeah this is Ryan with the show I know maybe I think maybe the idea is to use it as an IP testing ground so you can get people comic-con excited people definitely there are a lot of fans of mark Miller's work this comic book series is called the magic order and it's about magicians who live among us so grown-up Harry Potter I don't know Mark Miller will have some twist to it but they could have turned into a film I mean this is what the netflix owns it completely yeah and it's a very low cost for them it's a hire someone to do something but they've been doing well and already would have been doing writing comics and not have to invest hundreds of millions into buying a franchise buying a property and then making a film out of it if this does well they'll make a film on it I'm sure they're developing other properties in the films or TV shows already other big thing in comic news comic book fans know the name Brian Michael Bendis BMB as people know him as Miles Morales forever he is not only the creator of Jessica Jones I've got to crater of the new spider-man ultimate spider-man Miles Morales he was the writer of ultimate spider-man for that it's almost its entire duration super successful especially with kids yes yeah incredible writer he's done some work he but he previously had been exclusive as a Marvel Comics writer and had done so much for the moment ran he wrote so much of the big events the crossover events the mega events and this week shockingly and he is has signed an exclusive contract with the other side with DC DC Comics it's this is big deal in comics world what does it mean well he'll be probably writing some battements you everything in a face I'm looking to see how big a deal it is it is a big deal a big deal because because I think it's mostly because of ultimate spider-man how successful that series is this doesn't mean that he's gonna get a chance to take a character beloved character and reboot that character in the same vein is there gonna be a new imprint Geoff Johns over on the DC Comics I'd had been that role writing all the literal rebirth characters with Green Lantern and Superman but I would hope that DC wants him to create new characters Oh advanced characters because what Marvel has done very successfully over the past couple years is take familiar names like Captain America like Captain Marvel and given and even Iron Man and given them too new characters they don't be named new heroes I know it's tough to create a new type of super hero or a new name that's gonna resonate but have the character squirrel to have them evolve and have a new generation take on the mantles and I would hope that that's one BMB can do for DC hey either of you follow Blizzcon news well I follow a little bit just because I played World of Warcraft for a good year in my life and it's curious I like the company it's a good games company I mean they do good stuff they really are one of the best at what they do they are absolutely one of the best what they do and and how many games company has that have their own con like that's it that's pretty cool don't you don't see call of duty conned and the Tony Hawk ah oh God call of duty con would be rough the sims con no you don't know don't see any of that yeah Blizzcon it's like they're like the Pixar of video game companies everything they make explodes that's reject they say have very little fury failures unlike Pixar though like they're not be they're not beholden to their schedule in the same kind of way like Pixar has to meet their best dates but these guys take their like on valve time right take it until they did their because everything they put out seems to be a hit yeah and incredibly and they're like they were making working on this MMO for half a decade and then they said yes not working out we're gonna we're not gonna make that anymore and then everyone moved over to overwatch and they made one of the best team shooters ever so this Blizzcon was the biggest ever and they had these different arenas for every major property that the company has which are like huge rooms yeah I went last year and but you went Anaheim Convention Center and literally every you you take like the biggest land party you've ever seen multiply that by five yeah because it's great every game is that area land set up tournament set up giant stadium size competition arenas set up so watch for StarCraft yeah so it's part land party part comic-con what's called port carp it's part cosplay yeah meetup part and park land competition it's also by party been I mean it's like I guess where you get all the announcements for the year right so big announcements well the big one for me personally is probably they're bringing world of warcraft vanilla like me classic the first version before there was the craziness that destroyed everything and opened a rift and everything went crazy and all the expansions so there is a new expansion though there's a separate so yeah there's the of course there's another we're gone we're going back to Leroy Jenkins but a lot of people have been saying you know look that is a part of something that I really liked and it's gone can I please go back to that world what are you looking to do in that world well like storm wind and is like not destroyed and the world is as you remember it when you first played World of Warcraft is this gonna be like one of those Warcraft share universes like this is a time-travel thing and what you do in this vanilla universe will somehow bleed and so that's weird and like I mean it's an opportunity to create some story I did say it's a much harder challenge than we think and so they're true then they want to make it the game you feel you remember not the actual experience so they're they're doing they're working on it no ETA but they are bringing that back I think that's great because I will probably try that Wow I mean I can't commit to signing up again because that's that's a real commitment there's a real commitment there's an awesome looking mouth now coming up for overwatch which is themed world based mm-hmm yes it's Blizzard World theme park base it's seriously a blizzard theme park you're bearing in this this is some weird like meta stuff yeah like I'm sure will be fun but like people are already playing a blizzard game they want to be like now in their face the game with a company who made the game at least the world and there's a Murloc above the entrance it's like not even overwatch it's like this big Blizzard weird your theme park one day might as well do get people excited about that idea can attend I would go to real Blizzard world oh my goodness you go into a they did like you know camera fly throughs of the world and every of the actual map them out you go into this tavern and there's the classic Blizzard games like that on little arcade games nice it's super combat map I don't like spider-man it's awesome super happy but the next thing is what I was most excited about you're happy about what's darker I still play Starcraft you go east straight path to free-to-play multiplayer of course yeah all the single-player expansion that you play that books each prolonged game is old now it's like this got six years old yeah yeah yeah that's okay I don't know so it makes sense it it makes sense for Starcraft 2 because it still has a pretty big community of people that play online I like if you look on Twitch I think it's still in like the top ten games that are streamed what are the microtransactions that will help this game survive I I don't know that's a good question okay yeah and then there's like expansions for her stone and I don't know heroes of the storm here the Hanzo is coming here is at the storm but cross pollenization universe looks cool do you see there are a couple friends have tested up at Blizzcon yes yes bill Duran punished props piss cons one of the big mentions he goes to and he unveiled a is that costume but a RC prop human-sized RC prop of a probe droid from Starcraft 2 previous yeah do we look look gorgeous huh it was awesome I had friends that were at Blizzcon that were posing for photos with Proteus and like hey that's Bill thing yeah it looked great and it moved around pretty pretty decently at at a decent probe like rate yeah I think Frank brought his morose yes yes they were dressed up again we're locks in cosplay so very cool I think that does it for some pop culture news let's talk about really I know what you did last Friday Jeremy Williams you shook hands you did the secret handshake with your UPS guy I and it received your an 81 10 and then he took your headphones and you put them in the trash I put a little headstone above them 30 printed headstone yeah above them yeah yeah yeah yep I got an iPhone 10 I did I broke down and I got the iPhone 10 and I'd so did you I did you can talk about the iPhone 10 people must know our opinion the people must know no one else has given any opinions about this phone yet so this is going to be a very novel well we talked about the reviewers not having a lot of time with it so we're all kind of even playing field but the expectation the fear is coming out of the announcement you know a month ago a month and a half ago now was what justifies what justifies $1,000 phone yeah or what does it mean when Apple says this sets the path for the next ten years of iPhone is it about the interface is it about design like what what about this and obviously this is a big jump in past years we were thought like this is the kind of update that would have made sense for honestly an iPhone I have two iPhone eight right and then I four if not iPhone 7 because the six seven and eight all look similar so and the largest set the the ten looks very similar to the iPhone six small design you mean in terms like the outer case the yellow feel yes yes there is a glass back this time there's a metal band around the outside comes in those two colors the screen right is the screen in actual benefit and does that not actually hinder the UI experience right can I hold it I have actually never held one do you have one that in the case I do here we go oh sure let me unlock it for you I had to look at it so better swipe up before it locks the scree the screen is great the screen is great this it's won some awards for that like they did a really nice job on the screen that's true so it's it's uh I don't know the exact pixel dimensions of the screen but what's important to know about the screen is that it is higher resolution than the previous plus phones which with 1080p screens rendering but rendering at the same resolution as those phones I believed because it's rendering a true 3x3 points per pixel okay and so it's a integer multiplier for what the what the images are displaying and so you're getting extremely sharp texts and sharp photos at this high pixel density without any dithering there's no down scaling but it is a pentile displays their first pentaiah yes this is I take this pixel that's why the pixel resolution doesn't mean a lot because you can't compare it compared to just LCD RGB stripe yeah but it is dense enough and it is the case with like the Samsung Galaxy si it's as well that you cannot see the pentile arrangement with the naked eye yep you cannot app you can you can scrutinize you can you can try to like look at a white image like a white Tex or with a black border around it and try to move your eyes left and right because you would notice most notice lit in any of the aliasing for high contrast images and you can't notice that at all it it is a gorgeous gorgeous screen that works really well outdoors as well oh so it holds up under sunlight holds out to where he's worried about really well under sunlight it gets bright enough and having that full screen like so I still have my success I've been switching back and forth between them or the past week just cuz I need to transfer stuff over that forehead and chin now seem so dated hey I can understand that when you're watching media like when you're just using like apps on your phone it doesn't bother me as much but when you're watching videos the full the edge to edge makes a huge difference it bothers me in Twitter it bothers really mail it I cannot stand that the forehead the chin on the old phones now Wow I'm converted yeah no I like it - I like it - and the notch doesn't bother bother me much at all so the notches is functional - I mean force functional meaning they had to make some functionality out of the fact that there is they call the the horns or the the ears yeah on the left and right side and so you get less information overall than you previously did with the top bar to top like a couple percentage of the screen because you don't see battery percentage indicator uh yeah that type of information right that's there's still more screen real estate yes yes but like if in terms of like what would normally appear on the top bar of notification bar yep that is split between left and right side very highly delayed there there's now no longer room for a percentage now if you want to see that you have to pull down a little yes but pulling down from a notification drawer from me in a shade from the top right at the top left now perform different functions because because there's no whole button that Android like if they always do them let's talk about that home button yeah like that's where it's at for me like that yes that's where the compromise is made and I and I used that word intentionally Apple released a video that was first time they've done that in a while which is how to use your new phone that's the because nose only changes non-apple thing to do yeah so yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna play the first a couple seconds to that because it leads into my only problem with this phone new gestures face ID and emoji other pretty cool things really easy to use here we go let's jump right in new gestures you've probably noticed that there's no home button everyone on board yeah I'm with you this is her I probably noticed I noticed that and that's it's like every Tegrity the first thing you'll notice is no that's right and we're all in the same page here you are then she says that's because we've made it even easier to get around your phone phones yeah also you think you think that's not true yes the reason they took away the home button is because they're betting that consumers will prefer more screen real estate over the conveniences that the home button offers and and I will also say and I'm their market research I know has shown that overseas China being a huge market the home button was actually a technical repair liability it was something that wore out oh I see okay and I did change that was between the 6s to the 7 was no longer a physical home button it was just a touch button touch ID being a part of it and technology is is one of the one of the byproducts cut not be going away me replace the face ID but I bet they didn't want to repair home ones anymore and so they changed their entire UI what took all these things came together bigger screen face ID well we're losing the home button okay but that is a compromise and it is a net gain I won't grant you that it is a better phone it's like I will take the bigger screen over the user experience like so user experience perspective yes the button is easier it's Morse it makes more sense it's more intuitive children who can't speak know how to use the home button if you teach them that they have to swipe up there's some granularity you have to teach them I where do you swipe up I wanted to you swipe up and it's not always the same thing if you're within an app that is portrait mode it's okay like you swipe up and you get back if you're within an app that is horizontal now there is no home bar down there in GarageBand until you try to swipe up it takes two swipes to get that done all right yeah it's more it's confusing because you don't you can't get right there plus when you're like at the lock screen and you swipe up you go to your last app rather than to your app like dock like although your spouse really so things like that really are are confusing to people when I first held your phone that's the first thing I tested was was the swipe up how easy that was to get through and I agree with Jeremy like the the difference in how much you're swiping up is super non-intuitive yeah I would completely agree that the onboarding time is much less intuitive than a button that does everything but acclimating to the swipe of gesture in portrait mode completely agree about landscape mean yeah messed up I like swiping up to go home more than pressing a button do you do one hand swipe up onehand one hand swipe up I mean I I've started to do it try it on my iPad because I'm so used to it yeah but I disagree it is a simpler direct gesture to hit a button I feel like it's faster to swipe out to swipe up the animation is smoother and that's what they've done on the OS level yeah and maybe the processor aside but like I on the success I want it to even though it has a home button I want that gesture there I want the gesture bar I also don't like that when to remove apps from your multitasking you know they never they don't want you to do that anymore then you have you have to hold down now never have ever wanted you to do that they never wanted you to manage your multitasking yeah you're right right they never like it's what everyone says right well how do you well this app is acting slow yeah well go to the multitasking and swipe it up and move it away yeah flight away so net like it used to be you to swipe him up and they go away now yeah hold down for half a second before you can do that and it's just a half a second but it's like annoying because it's like more annoying they never closing apps is not a part of their OS design they're their touch ID versus FaceTime I'm totally our face idea I'm totally on board a face ID I don't even need touch ID I just missed the home button for everything it did until you know let's talk about fake ID for a second has there been a noticeable shift for you and the fact that now you have to look at your phone to unlock it yeah that's like that's the behavior switch yes not in using looking at an app and opening the app because I'm gonna look at my phone anyway but yes in Apple pay eyeing apps anytime where I want authorization now it's a look at the phone and then double tap the side button and that UI interface of like hitting that home button or hitting via the the what used to be the power button twice now they have like a weird on-screen indicator like this arrow here hit that here that's I think it's super stupid don't you just use your watch for Apple pay I know I hate using the watch travel pay what why I don't even at that happening I hate it I think I think first of all watch on the the VeriFone thing is stupid huh first of all the fact that we're talking about Apple pay in the context of the watch I mean you if you buy the phone it should work to that does work but I mean it's clunky it that's great what about in the car that's where I was always worried about face I need yeah especially if your hand like unlocking it for someone else in your driving yeah so that is the legal it's all gray area right Apple would say that well don't use your phone in the car all right you should go in the car anyway they'd used that voice too I know everyone it's unfortunately true most people use their phones in the cars for one reason another maybe it's a totally legitimate reason like unlocking your phone so to let someone else use it that is much more hassle of a hassle because of face ID much more of a hassle I know it's a even dangerous because you actually have to pay a test you have to look at your phone precisely and so hopefully that means people will stop using the phone in the car or I don't know what the way around it like Apple kind of knows what you're driving so maybe they could have a bone where if you're in the driving road then you don't like your it stays on blocks longer well actually it does actually say it gives you a new thing that says I'm not driving and you have to swipe that right right no it's recognizing yours yeah yeah yeah yeah do you miss fingerprint at all touch ID mm-hmm probably yeah yeah absolutely for things like Apple pay and for and for downloading apps yeah I don't I don't I haven't missed touch ID I don't have pretty impressive it's because it's pretty great it's actually fun to have it fill in your password just by looking at you it that feels very futuristic is it's the first time in a while that I've used the technology on a phone that felt fresh felt magical yeah so it's more successful it doesn't so it's a question right it's a it is a security mechanism but you it's also this balanced print security convenience right where is that where is that line drawn so they want to be overprotective or they want to be a pain right so like I have not had any pasta false positives with anyone I've shown my phone to which you know it's not a million people so I don't know if it's one in a million but I definitely have notice a couple of false negatives where it takes one additional try right for it's fine my face primarily like in the morning you know the first thing I do when I wake up you look at the alarm Wow and I'm trying it it takes the second try I want to see norm in the morning now I mean not like hjerson no glasses no glasses but like you know I'm a little tired like you know I glasses weren't a problem they weren't a problem right but like it's like I'm like I'm just sheepish I'm tired in the morning I want to get some I hope my messages are yeah now I have to like put on a intentional unlocking face it gets my phone this has locking faces and freeze day wow that's funny Steven Levy said the same kind of thing he said that he had to really intentionally look it's intentional you have to be intentional I don't find that to be the case at all and for me anyway hmm I wonder if that has anything to do like I wonder if you recalibrated it if you'd have a different experience you know what I mean the whole setup is very easy like they scan your face twice yeah and the touch ID yeah yeah yeah I wish it did more than one face they could recognize but I understand why compounding faces would increase the potential for false positives I don't like how heavy it is it's because it's much heavier than success it is but given the size I am on board it's not heavier than the plus though no of course so anyone who previously was on the plus this is like everything is everything is better right it's smaller smaller bigger screen lighter you get the cameras it does not render like the plus in terms of that the points that the point the point resolution point dimensions state of the screen of the screen so if you're on the plus you actually on a website you see more text along the horizontal lines on each column that you would hear this is definitely more like a sharper slightly bigger version of their non Plus phones and the last thing I feel like they copped out on is no Apple pen no Apple pencil oh you wanted that and I wanted the Apple pencil my wife just learned that this exists and she wants to know why it's not available they got to yeah if it's a thousand dollar phone and has their best screen it has a larger screen with like a canvas why does it have pencil support is there some technological hurdle I bet it's much Olek I bet it's no no I bet it's a next year feature yeah they need an S feature I bet it's an S feature take notes what I mean it's a chance from the cell more accessories I haven't done any wireless charger yet I don't have a cheap pad and I want I want one of their new qi pads what do you think of the camera cuz that's that's supposed to be a big deal well that's other thing a lot of people who are getting this phone probably if they came from the non Plus phones this is like a world of change for them because I never wanted a bigger phone now they have a slightly bigger slightly heavier phone with the big screen but now they have two cameras and they have portrait mode last year portrait mode is only for people who wanted to pay for the plus or for the jet-black phone the big phone and that was one of the best features of the 7 so it'll feel new to those people but anyone who had the 7 plus it's same it's a nice camera ok schmoes nice the new portrait settings I find our total beta novelty yes like I'm not using all that natural light the black settings like that it doesn't for light I don't like the look of what contour light does to your face the studio light I preferred that occasionally but it's done I mean that the portrait mode is essentially unchanged from last year I I can't believe they haven't gotten that to work better I hate those fuzzy edges you don't like you don't like the the way does hair it just seems like that should have evolved a little better it's a good question I think if you look at the portrait mode so will has a pixel to excel and that one has its own version of the portrait mode with a single camera it does computational photography as well and I won't actually take salute like there's a delay that the photo needs to compute before you can see yeah step setting Google's image engineers chose a certain look they chose to really accentuate the hairs and give you really sharp outline features and I think Apple focused more on the eyes more than the hair okay so they they with because they had actual depth map data and especially with portrait on the face they have extremely good depth map data they're choosing maybe to portray a wider aperture lens to simulate a wider aperture camera lens it but it doesn't because there's things on the same plane that are in different focuses well with the I mean I think the eyes in the front of the eyes nose and mouth are highly InFocus and for them they feel like they can contour out you know the fuzziness and you know here I have found that it takes great pictures in good lighting yeah but I was hoping jumping two generations that low light would be better than it is and it's still just not there I think you'd have limb physical limitation of that sensor sighs yeah yeah you post a poll on Twitter this week of two photos yes one shot I assume what the ten yep the other one was shot with what with the pixel to excel okay so tell us what people voted people voted for the iPhone 10 and I think not because of the portrait mode but because iPhone in general does a better job representing color temperature on human faces just to be clear people didn't know which was which I did not know and and a lot of people specifically didn't dive deep into it and said if the color temperature was matched and the one on the left which was the pixel did better matching of the face they know much prefer that one but so it was not the fair test if you're just trying to judge the fake bouquet right but it is a fair test in that in this exact same lighting conditions these are what the camera's spit out it looked like the pixel used a flash it did not it was interesting washed out a little bit yeah yeah I preferred the bouquet on the pics one Oh interesting I did too but I preferred why don't you get one of those phones I said I would if I wasn't all locked into the Apple ecosystem there you go I preferred the bouquet on the pixel as well but I thought the the picture itself of Danica's face looked better from the iPhone yeah I think it's that washed out of nature yeah the washing and the skin tones look a lot better you know there's also bugs at iOS barely apples grappling with a bug where the letter I auto corrects to a weird a symbol you talk your phone Jeremy can I can I do one plus two plus three yet you know what you don't know about that one no what is this it's until I don't even think it's fixed you I think you need eleven point to open your calculator and quickly type 1 plus 2 Plus 3 and tell me not know the count when you're launching calculator yeah it gives you 23 because it doesn't finish the animation for the plus button fading out before 23 yeah so it thinks it's one plus 23 well yeah because it doesn't and this work this is true for so many calculations the calculator doesn't work anymore until they weigh if you do it slowly oh yes you let the animations finish is that just one plus two plus three or is it ever like no as many and it's many things yeah oh yeah wow wow wow wow bug but have you seen the one you see in the yeah if you type in the letter I it becomes auto corrects to a and some weird icon auto corrects auto suggests auto auto corrects if you hit space like oh this is I was saying guys earlier and yeah auto that's weird yeah it's a step towards iPhone 10 sentience it's just typing i whatever it feels like the trend right now people doing like typing like I was born and I'm letting autocorrect fill out the whole sentence and everyone gets a different so yeah this is fun so fun those are fun I think we should bring up the Samsung ad because he get made a lot of press Samsung came out with a whiting ad towards Apple over clever last ten years of people of this guy who bought an iPhone every year for the past ten years and there's scenes of him throughout the years either in line in the rain which is a kind of a low blow but you know has his dongles in his iPhone 7 so he's charging and listening at the same time using a big fat dongle while his girlfriend is wirelessly charging her phone he drops it in the water as does someone else and yet the Android users fine and his is not things like that throughout the years out of battery or out of memory and then at the end of course he just America but you have seen with a haircut yeah yeah there's somebody in line to get an iPhone 10 with a not here yes yeah and and he gets an Android phone and it's you know they took some of the things that were criticisms of the iPhone over the years and they used it against Apple I just think if Apple were to do the same thing it would be brutal can you imagine like just people screaming at their phone turn on that or just viruses bumping up from the Google days there was actually a worse problem with the note family a year ago you'll recall sure so yeah that that's you people houses Samsung I will I will say as as the Android junkie here I obviously not convinced to buy the iPhone 10 just because $1000 is is like $400 too much yeah add to to spend on a phone just for my you know personal budget and all all sorts of other things but I am convinced that face ID is a really novel yeah item that you know we should see in more phones and I'm starting to get convinced I was very skeptical about edge to edge but I'm starting to get convinced to edge to edge is the way to go so if face ID works and really it's about the interface and the UI and not having a home button why do they do a digital home button I'm sure the experiments with the idea because you have you have taptic you have the taptic engine doesn't need to have fingerprint recognition but just as a UI interface that make use of that bottom part of the screen well we experimented with turning it on there's an accessibility feature where you can put a permanent home button on your screen but it obscures everything yes you don't want that yeah they need to design around that is yeah yeah I don't know or a side button make it a side button no second side button yes no one wants a second side but is because then like how do you it has to be like thumb Abal uh-huh there's three buttons over there volume and power I don't know I don't like that at all like and those buttons do wear out you're talking about adding a physical button instead of it and and that's again why I think Apple doesn't want to have the thing that people do most on the phone be a physical breakable thing so that they have to pay for warranties and and repairs yeah last couple things with Apple an emojis you know usually popular I think well time will tell they work really well but I will tell whether they stick and a lot of that will be depending on what other companies produce that will tap into that facial tracking that is the most magnanimous thing you could say about an emojis they are on fire right now yeah and I hope they burn in hell they're ruining my life like people just posting like videos of their an emoji conversations now this is an emoji karaoke is the is the big thing yeah you've watched some of those I have seen those I I laugh out loud it everyone I think they're funny the fact that people and far are recognizing it's not that you sending animations as a conversation replacements is useful but the fact that you have powerful face tracking yeah built into a phone just like the AR you know pass through a are abilities of of the camera and the world tracking inside out tracking them these cameras now the fact that your face tracking built-in is a very powerful tool and I think we have scratched the surface of the potential for this like what that could mean for communications for sure in the future just wait till they start you allow you to model your own face so then there's a picture of you comes through time someone's gonna get like it's an avatar creator you know Sims like Martin and Nintendo like or something map it's your face and you know it could change communication like this could be I don't know a viable but it could be a just like texting change stop people from making phone calls and emojis help simplify texting this could simplify FaceTime conversations I think it could create a much lower bandwidth version of FaceTime somewhere you could convert it to data rather than video it's machinima I'm not the video isn't data but you know what I mean a much lower amount of days it basically be mmm yeah yeah machinima so what would identify you is it like your gestures I mean this is something going from the the VR world something we want if you are if you apply machine learning to this you could do an amazing rendering of artificial intelligence you minute you know controlling its own face you know that'd be neat this item.i are you scared about that we did the didn't we do the story about how they modeled President Obama's speech different this is definitely this is the path of that in that direction right like it's gonna be Mission Impossible where Tom Cruise puts an apple iphone in front of villains face and go say the sentence and then now they know all the facial expressions and you can replicate the face that way right on the rumor front of course you know if this is the next ten years of iPhone what is Apple's next big product everyone thinks it's some type of augmented reality technology but we're hoping it's a wearable it could end up just being a evolution of the phone but Bloomberg mark Berman who does have who occasionally gets scoops on Apple products is reporting that Apple is much further along than we think on actual wearable AR pass through the Vice what would how far along do we think they are well people are thinking like you know 5 to 10 years right away from now yes I don't think that yeah well the report says they could have something ready by 2018 and could ship as early as 2020 I think I'm gonna make some predictions ok that's hardball day prediction this I think 2021 all right what a weird prediction all right yeah are you from the future I wish I was you have the sports Almanac so you know the it's like Apple and cars apples and TVs there have been rumors forever about them working new product categories and things have not come to fruition they have all the money they have all the research have some they have the technology built into these phones I would love for AR to become a reality so I hope just like I want electric cars and and self-driving cars become reality I hope that AR bosses are in the works this past weekend I also stopped by our friend Gary what is house to check out something and well we will have Gary on the podcast future yes Gary Whitta up professional podcaster again Gary Whitta founding podcast host there this is only a test is that true no I think was just willing me and Gary in like ok when the iPhone 4 came out yeah when we photos that's how you date your your years and doing this show well it's what he's interested in he's also professional twitch streamer yes yes only write a professional twitch streamer and all-around good guy like every writer is like falling down the list I started off with screenwriter a former editor of you know PC gaming magazines PC gamer and and now also the proud owner of an OLED TV we got the LG got the LG c7 night I spent an hour his house watching content on his LG c7 and he'll tell us all about it when he joins a podcast but my opinion is it freakin amazing 65 or 55 you got the 6500k god my review that is jelly that that TV is amazing it's the best TV I've seen this year so you see I've seen in person I only have one that I have the most minor complaint about that TV but it is beautiful so what's the complaint the complaint is I don't like the stand it has a silver Stan that's angled down okay it's this beautiful black surface that has you know especially in a lot of the reviews show that even in sunlight it has some pretty good anti glare properties on it and so it's a beautifully flat thin screen that has these this this great black texture and then it has the silver angled stand underneath it I think takes away from that sort of austere nature that is such a minor complaint because it is stunning the the quality this is tough because we're not TV reviewers right we don't get do TVs over six months every year we're buying TVs as consumers where we're updating you know every six seven years right and Gary and both he and I bought our plasma TVs in 2010 seven years ago so he's jumping from 1080 plasma to 4k HDR and in 4k she alright now you have OLED right very high-end you have OLED but you also have LCDs LED backlit LCD which also do 4k Chanel which I think that's what you have yeah right Peppa Sony so 4k HDR is itself a massive chump regardless of the the technology behind it massive jump over 1080p LCD or 1080p plasma so you can get those benefits so my question is I need to see a direct comparison side-by-side of what's what this OLED brings to the table over a very high-end LED for cash to your screen because those have been weren't very well reviewed and those are you know like sixty percent the cost of an OLED screen at comparable large large sizes but just looking at one TV in this case the high-end OLED he showed me planet Earth to blu-ray 4k HDR which is like this is that's a system seller other killer app right there unbeliev of all the TV switches between HDR and non HDR mode when if attending on the source so if you're gonna watch cable television everything looks muted really it's spoil HDR spoils you yeah it tells you to be on screen on screen pop up and say HDR is on now Apple TV is interesting the new Apple TV which supports 4k HDR it does some up converting and brightness and makes everything 4k HDR hmm so it scales everything up to 4k and brightens everything up to HDR regardless if the source was coated for HDR or not so menus are brighter that's natural and look great these screen savers are now for case gr the great are those screen savers native HDR I know No okay they may have been processed again to be a jitter but you can't tell because a politically you switch that off yeah okay but some Netflix content definitely there's some stuff that was not HDR yeah but they boost up the brightness and it sometimes looks a little saturated did you try the defenders I did try defenders and defenders good like Kimmy Schmidt was great you know in 4k HDR it's weird because source there's no one set top box as everything which became very clear Gary had Xbox 1s which has 4k airplay but he had the built-in app on the lg tv the webOS space app and he also had Apple TV and we were constantly switching between them to find the right source of content like YouTube 4k HDR only works on the built-in TV thing Apple TV doesn't have that but Apple TV does the upscaling really well for certain things so you're still gonna be switching but you're buying a TV for what seven years is a life of a team at this point and hopefully so you have to imagine that 4k HDR content is gonna become the norm in a year or two it's worth pointing out though that that there is a standard for HDR there are multiple standards for HDR but that TVs don't have to support the full color gamut this one does support all of them one of those standards right now but not the full I don't need anything supports the full color gamut of the standards so like we're still inching towards full compatibility yeah it's just like how much depth can you buy right now this sounds like pretty good deal which makes it a really interesting time the content is we can tell it's reaching that tipping point of getting there there's simply stuff to watch now it's not ubiquitous but all the places are all the distributors and and constant services are pushing toward it but there's it's still very expensive hey by the way I'm not suggesting anyone buy this TV even though it's gorgeous because it's like 2,800 bucks yeah so like you can't justify that increase of 3x over you know a similar you know OLED in LED that's a lot of money if that's relative man I 2,800 bucks wouldn't have gotten you a 65 inch TV at all 7 years ago Oh totally true but I'm just saying I think there's models that get you probably eighty five percent ninety me a ninety five percent of the way and instead of a thousand bucks big deal if you're talking about going from 65 inch 55 and 65 that is a another like 40 percent jump in price almost double is that true yeah I know it really ramps up after 65 there there's a Netflix video called sparks by the way if you ever launched 4k HDR TV again yeah and that's just meant to demo 4k HDR oh and it's 60 Hertz and it's a guy with welding the TV yet we'll have Gary on talk more about the TV but I want to see in person now I mean he's on on that TV what about sales like what's the latency like did you play anything yes so he played Forza on the Xbox one s which is renders at 1080 at night gets up scaled I'm more concerned about the controls is there any lag or not that I could tell okay and he seemed happy with it so speaking video games the other you know a set-top boxes support high resolutions you know we had the ps4 Pro and this week we have released the Xbox one xx project Scorpio okay anyone here little fanfare I know isn't that strange this is a big deal this is a technically a mid generation with backward compatibility support but this is like a new console from Microsoft most powerful console ever ever and yet I don't see I don't hear ever the lines I don't I don't it's it's easy to get one yeah I don't know I'm not I'm not in the Xbox consoles generation this generation and I think a lot of it's because you know they don't have the exclusives yes though owns them you get the halo on that but right now you know ps4 Pro launched early has 4k support there's a difference between a console that looks better and a console that runs games that you can't run on other consoles right so it's not a generation change let's just see myself getting back in the console game with the upgrades to VR that I've done yeah it has like all that investment I'm gonna keep playing on computer at the on PC for a while yeah and uh and if you're gonna buy a new console he now seems like Nintendo switches the one you get this year well it has two world-class games right yeah alright let's jump through the rest of the tech stories pretty quickly who hears on Twitter two eighty twenty characters all of us Oliver almost yeah it's like everyone got two hundred eighty characters as of yesterday I've made one tweet that was longer than 140 characters and I feel dirty the shower did not clean away the stench of the 280 office uh you know I have to retract a little the IRI Express when they initially said people get into a tea it's not that bad to see bit longer slightly longer tweets in your timeline I just hope they don't go crazy and go off Facebook on us it's if it encourages people to do 280 as the norm yeah that's that's what I don't want to see because then your timeline shrinks then yes it takes so much longer to read them oh no that's not what I'm complaining about because also I don't threaten people also thread stuff whatever people get over this in a week when Twitter does something else bad and yeah yeah well maybe there at least we're not releasing glasses because that did not do well for snapchat spectacles by some estimates lost forty million dollars have forty million of unsold inventory in the snapchat spectacles what a turnaround from when they had the vending machines where what there is so they launched the product in these vending machines and there was like hours and hours of lines to get them out of the vending machine exclusivity is a huge marketing tool and at one point and I think they overestimated demand based off of that initial run-through yeah and plus they're hitting IPO so they need to build up their hardware business that's that's unfortunate what does that mean like they're discontinued I think they've got to reevaluate their strategy okay yeah if you're looking for a cheap pair of sunglasses snaps back there you go another unfortunate bit of news last bit of tech we had here some layoffs in the videogames community telltale is has been gone through some restructuring and a couple dozen employees of telltale telltale games had be let go unfortunately so which sucks a lot you know I couldn't find this news I saw ken Levine of irrational right yeah I saw him tweet that they he loves telltale games and if any writers from telltale looking for work and give him a call and I thought that's a nice thing to do and then I couldn't find any news about telltale has the whole studio closed down no no press release and those 90 employees which is that's a lot a quarter of their work yeah and so there are previous announced projects you know Batman wolf among us walking Gator still be continued but it's I think yeah there's no reason behind it you know there could be engineering it could be that you know their own game engines were dated and they wanted to jump on the unity or unreal huh but yeah it's I hope it's not a walk away from that kind of game storytelling that telltale has because it's it's so unique it's so beautiful it's so enjoyable it's just sad but it's also the state of video game companies right now isn't it feel like we've covered a lot of these lately well a lot of the video the ebb and flow of video game companies is they they ramped up in order to produce a game and then there's a lot of downtime between titles and they can't afford to keep everybody on staff so they have to let people go and then when they need more people they either hire contractors or get more full timers so it's it's not unheard of if they can't keep some sort of leapfrog cycle going where there's always enough projects in the queue it's tough all right that does it for technology news before we move on to our next segment also want to thank the other sponsor of this week's episode and that is chefsteps and the jewel sous-vide by chef steps are you a dinner party host looking for a foolproof way to 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is guardians of the galaxy whoa made by a stern pinball stern pinball okay yeah they make four games a year so you're gonna hear from me yeah yeah that often what were the other games this year that they did yes Star Wars yes of course yes that was that was big deal then before that was Aerosmith yep I don't think there's been anything all right okay in any case guardians is it's in a new platform it's got a big LCD panel back you know it's got the movie footage and all that stuff it's - as developed by John Borg who did like Tron and I want to say x-men in any case legacy yes and it's got a big group toy so you got Groot in the back and he hit you hit his mouth and he opens his mouth and you get the balls in his mouth and then for at multi-ball all the balls come out of his mouth we're saying the big head yeah yeah he's in the back there's like a small action figure the head is like 1/4 the width of are you late for you looking at the major photo and it's hands that's out from the side that's in the Le you gotta pay extra for the hands and I don't think they do anything like but there are hands that can come all over the plate field and this is turning into an outro no I just think there's so many euphemisms yeah that's true so I don't know it looks the pretty straight forward in terms of the flow and there you go if you're it's got pretty artwork it's not hand-drawn it's like all photoshopping but it's got all the colors you expect from guardians of galaxy why not hand-drawn did so well with ghostbusters didn't they yeah that that was a nice looking game as was Aerosmith but they when they're dealing with these license sores sure they're very pretty I like the Guardians theme so I bet you this this has good music yeah that'll be interesting to see what they license because they typically don't spend a whole lot of money on the music so it might be sound-alikes fingers crossed they got some of the good stuff that's all I got for you now it's time for a moment of science all right we're gonna kick it back to fifth grade oh yeah back about like elementary middle school we all learned how the first humans came to the Americas how did they come here by boat they walked over they walked over that version they walked over where they walked over from Alaska yeah through the Bering Strait yes when there was not coverage of that and the landmass emerged it's okay no I'm with you now and that was that's listed it was always been sort of guessed that that was about 13,500 years ago and the humans that came over referred to as the Clovis tribe and there's still still solid evidence that that happened but there's emerging evidence now that that's not how the first humans came to the Americas in fact in a recent paper in science it's now really disputed how they came because a group of scientists have been using our Ovie's to look at submerged landmass off the coast of the Americas both South America and North America on either coast and have found remnants of villages along the coastlines that might indicate that humans did not just cross the Bering Strait they they walked across these coastal areas or potentially even got there by boat that's why I said and they curve and these coastal villages predate when the Clovis walked over the Bering Strait so they're up to 14,000 or 15,000 years ago and then there's even even weirder there's a site off the coast of of California I believe that looks like a slight where mastodons were slaughtered which looks like something that humans would have been involved in that goes back almost 15,000 years and we have no idea how they actually came over here and because of where this evidence is it's basically all submerged underwater we may never be able to know but that idea that the first humans came across the Bering Strait is now soundly not in line with what scientists think so when you say human is not strictly Homo Sapien right no no these are homo sapien really 15,000 year um anyways stay tuned for that no it's gonna be years before any more papers coming that's topic all right Chris Hadfield's oh yeah friend of tested yes we can go out on a limb calm it he tweeted out something interesting recently about Mars terraforming and I think we should we talk about what he tweeted out so I the idea of terraforming Mars is problematic because there's no there's a very thin atmosphere on Mars it's about one-sixth the thickness of the of the earth atmosphere 1/6 one tenth and part of the reason is that is the solar wind from our Sun has basically pushed off the atmosphere and there's not enough magnetic shielding to deflect that solar wind away to build up enough of an atmosphere to exist so nASA has a future a future kind of futuristic meeting where they talk about things in in the lens of 2050 and one of the their astro astrobiology is I'm gonna get it wrong but one of their scientists from the Planetary Science Division proposed an idea that was really intriguing that creased Chris cheated out is instead of like terraforming Mars what if we put an object out beyond Mars at a point we'll just call l1 that essentially is a source of a big magnetic field that would allow the magnetic field to distribute backwards across Mars and then over time its atmosphere will grow whoa because you're deflecting the solar solar wind away how big of an object is that it has to be a pretty big guy it has to generate a pretty big magnetic field and so there's some initial scaling down of it and Chris tweeted out it's just it's not realistic it's just sort of a proposal for a very futuristic idea and but it's so interesting that this is the kind of conversation that's actually happening behind the scenes at NASA is there's potentially more interesting ways to terraform Mars then just actually terraforming it quote-unquote last story of the week we involved science in politics Lamar Smith who's been the head of the House Science Committee has stepped down he his tenor which I think has been the last few years has been marked with a lot of investigations into research at the National Science Foundation even some scientists accusing him of persecuting them and channeling out research this is interesting when combined with the fact that we have a new NASA Administrator that was confirmed this week Jim Bryden Stein who's a former congressman from Oklahoma I think him Lamar Smith's tenor is not was not well loved by scientists and they're eagerly looking forward somebody else coming into the in into that role that may present a different step forward for scientists that contention has not been beneficial for science the contention between that house science committee because it has really created an atmosphere that there is a war between science and politicians and I think that's something we have to move past so the replacement hasn't been announced yet but I think it'll be interesting keep an eye on in the coming weeks and that's it we need more scientists in politics yes we need the right scientist in politics yes the VR minute virtual reality this week marks we're running out of time so we're gonna do VR pretty quickly some people tune in just for this I know I know okay what do I talk about well we were excited about - at the oculus connect and yeah we have found out just I think yesterday although someone maybe someone just figured it out that in the latest developer notes for from oculus about unity is that they there's a small little note in there they expected launch - early December whoa so maybe great maybe one month from now oh my goodness that would be exciting yeah yeah I'm excited in beta mm-hmm nonetheless fun to play with yes I mean yeah yeah well and we'll be definitely testing that when that comes out there's also launch this week an IndieGoGo campaign with someone we are familiar with oh my good man this is crazy really interesting he's working with a company to make what they call VR shoes they see treadmill shoes that can react and respond to users intentions and movements to give you some type of locomotion in VR so his shoes have motors on them treads basically like tank treads that will go in the opposite direction of your walk so it's a good treadmill but on the shoes itself exactly a reversed written yeah I guess it's the same thing it's a less janky version of all of those VR treadmills that we've seen so the question is one how do you get the two shoes to sync up and two why do they have to sync up because there's your ocean yeah aren't they just both independently we're doing the opposite of whatever that foot is doing no matter what they have to kill your body because they need you don't start one your foots the idea is once your foot plants on the ground yeah the the treadmills already in motion to get your foot moving it's not like you push off of it right so needs to have it needs to know that your intention is forward movement yeah I don't know I feel like it might just always respond in that smallest second in that smallest moment you know that it would just respond very opposite yeah the right ever motion detection of your foots direction each individual foots intentionality exact but also it needs to be omnidirectional yeah that's the tough part Mikey's gonna walk backwards sometimes is that what you mean more than backwards decides I know most people walk not just in a straight line playing a game strafing is important I don't know but looking at the prototypes of these on this IndieGoGo video it doesn't look like does any any that writes for them it looks like forward and backward there's no product here it's about making a prototype a seventh-generation prototype and even Jamie genius that he is says this is a very hard problem absolutely and I think tackling the problem is I mean we want be saying it in my mind's like rollerblades right if I'm a roller skates like I'm no good with roller skates and you know anyone's to put on low skates can try to run in place yeah so like that but with more control with motor sided have to say when I first saw this I thought this was totally fake oh yeah yeah because it just seems like such a like initially when I came on the page of like this can't be real and it was like stock images of Jamie yeah pasted on the IndieGoGo I think the challenges are gonna be as much in the software as in the hardware oh very much where the biggest risks are probably with this and then don't you have to have a developer that actually makes a game that's gonna utilize that right right so so he's asking for 50,000 which isn't that much money yeah unfortunate he's only raised 14% he's got a money month up a day or two that's true good luck Jamie yep now Logitech also interesting product that probably a little more practical for VR something I've been asking for a long time a keyboard because their maker of gaming accessories with a mount for a vibe tracker and software a lot you track your keyboard in games yeah what I want I want to use this absolutely so it's called a logic bridge work with the vibe system of course with steamvr but they only have 50 developer kits so far so 50 developer kits 103 bucks plus you need the hundred dollar tracker and the vibe it's something that I wish they would have just put the sensors in the keyboard oh yeah that makes it that makes sense however if you're going like I would like to see a adaptor so you could mount this onto any keyboard and then some configuration process that lets you say where the keys are right then you haven't it was compatible with any keyboard right all right yes I mean you know maybe a little or me yeah yeah yeah yeah but Logitech makes the keyboards they want to sell the keyboard mainly out the confusion with this for me is I can't see my hands still so I want to see how easy is it to use a keyboard when you can't see your hands and what if you know where the keyboard is that's still good no that's still that's still positive yeah but also what can they turn that keyboard into in VR like that there's real magic potential there so it actually makes a lot more sense if you're designing a keyboard to actually work with VR like if that is actually a user a model that you want yeah you want the keyboard itself to have trackers so not have an external tracker right to work with over tracking system either I are looking IR lights for oculus system or the four diodes for for the vibe but you'd also want capacitive sensors on the keys so you know when your fingers are resting on the keys and that would then activate you know light em up in VR I suppose right you rest your fingers on the keys and then it they glow in VR so it knows where your fingers are resting uh-huh I guess that's a compromise would not be able to see your hands so it raised 'full right and then another Kickstarter something kind of interesting Zef VR an accessory for the rift to mount fans underneath your head says what's crazy about this is it I actually I thought about this I wanted to make a fan that sits on your desk that is V are controllable I think this makes a lot of sense so I put this on there I I came across this I put this on there just because I have fond memories of when we did birdly yeah all those years ago about the variable speed fan that was there and it occurred to me it's like you don't actually need developers to do much to make this happen right potentially they don't have to code for this why not because you can have it it's sense sort of your movement to a source of associate to the what wind speed then tracking movement or or or the game it has it do what the game design though right we're a lot of experiences sure it has to have some connection to the game design but I'm just saying I don't think you need to have gate I think that's their argument is you don't need to have exclusive games made to utilize this technology you want but you still want developers like if wind Linz was gonna corporates like this they need to code in the act that you're swinging your velocity is this much they say fan what they say is it listens to the actual sounds of the game picks up the wind in the game and then so there's a fat processing yeah how does it know the difference between like a drum solo and a bunch of wind I don't know that's why I don't know why it's a Kickstarter but that's their idea is that you don't have people pour it but like what is it interesting to you as I love it no no I I think it's a great idea I'm not sure about mounting it on your face yeah it's got to be somewhere yeah I don't know maybe just put it on your desk or mounts it somewhere on your monitor or something but I do think a fan is a great idea for a sense of haptic feedback for it for VR yep we've been playing can we say this are we going to what we've been testing oh it's still still still be our minute oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so I don't know if we can say this yeah but we've been playing something yes we simply playing something upton coming out next week and you watch this week's episode of projections you'll hear our thoughts on it when does that come out I leave this Friday ok all right that's interesting was it though is is it does it involve hardware no oak software is just software just yes were you involved in the shooting of this episode we have two that we have multiple things all right so are we done with doing are we testing anything this week or just going straight to the credits let's go show the credits are we've run out of time and fortunately with some other shoots to go on there's a bunch of red stuff on the site we have more from Adams trip to Budapest and his visit to the Blade Runner set we have a designer Kahn is this coming weekend so I'll be there what's that designer Kahn it's a convention for toy designers and I mean and people who custom figures we actually the visitor yesterday Michael Singh who made the codename Colossus remember we built I guess it was built he was in he's here from Singapore on his way to designer Khurana and brought his new mech so he's also running a Kickstarter didn't describe it also is like the holiday party the see the better version of those Etsy oh yeah holiday Mart's Oh totally yes and we'll be back next week and I think we may have a special guest in the podcast next week to talk about an emoji all right happy birthday ashore thank you yeah thank you everything and we've an outro we do from damien walls bye byethis week's episode of this is only a test is brought to you by a prover if you own a business no matter how big or small email hackers and scammers are probably coming after you a pervert can make your company a much harder target the affordable services like spam and virus filtering email encryption and web threat protection to keep you safe they also backed their services with live 24/7 us-based support at no additional charge try at River services free for 30 days by visiting River Calm / test that's a P P RI ve are calm / test for Thursday November 9th 2017 welcome to this is only a test the official podcast of tested dot-com yeah this is only a test welcome everyone how's everyone doing on this find week of podcasting Wednesday / Thursday we record on Wednesdays you'll hear it on Thursdays doing well really I'm doing well doing well yep I poured hot coffee into my iced coffee and I'm feeling strange about it so you think lukewarm coffee that's the worst you could extremely cold coffee pretty good huh nice hot coffee also pretty good lukewarm not so much you know yeah Kishore Hari how are you doing I'm doing great we're the hoody Brigade because it is cold in San Francisco it's it's get dark earlier now that daylight savings is passed I'm loving that dude what really no seriously you were like the only person that think of a light savings is good I don't care about how much daylight there is I care about the sleep I get because I go to sleep I now feel sleepy early enough so I can go to sleep at a reasonable hour and then I get all that nice extra sleep in the morning what a luxury it's one of go to sleep when you feel sleepy yes problem like a lot of us are night owls you know in the tech community yeah myself among them and I try to go to sleep early but it's hard I'm a normal human adult that falls asleep while typing emails whoa no right that's that's the state of laptop or phone a little bow I hate the I can't do the phone typing phones because it falls once my hands are tired it falls and that wakes me up again well I'm a cycle don't buy $1000 phone then that just shatters upon impact that's like how would you get to that some sick burns over there from the Android ringing yeah but man huh we're like a week and a half removed from the live show and it's still it feels fresh in my mind still got the live show highs really it feels like a year ago you've been doing events every single night multiple for for the Bay Area Science Festival that runs for another couple days yep runs through Saturday when we have our finale at 18t Park we're about 30,000 people are coming for hands-on science day are you guys afraid of rain potential rain no I looked at the long-range weather forecast it's gonna rain Thursday okay and not again till Sunday oh great but can I tell you the thing I'm most excited about that's happening this weekend what's happening the so San Francisco has a professional soccer team called the deltas now and they play keys our stadium which is like two blocks from my house yes and we went to a game that's what high schoolers yeah this is totally like a high school Stadium and we went to a game and it was so much fun there was like a band playing there's you know it was really family-friendly it was cheap like tickets were like five bucks totally enjoyable Delta's made the playoffs we went to the semi-finals on Sunday night we won we're hosting the finals this Sunday at Keys our state and Delta's this is great news San Francisco deltas oh also it came out that they're almost bankrupt and probably will fold so this may be their last game who do they play other cities in California or they're playing the New York City cosmos a national thing oh yeah it's a it's a 10 team week whole again with cities from Canada through the US cheese all right way to go deltas oh okay you guys do anything fun over the weekend any activities over the weekend but it wasn't Halloween with it no no I was last week yeah time goes by fast nothing I got nothing nothing Wow I mean I went I went to a soccer game I went to a bunch of Science Festival events but yeah that's what what's going on for me but it was also my birthday this week oh happy happy birthday thanks for everyone that wish me a happy birthday yeah the knowing things did they go no yeah no thanks to the whoever is running the tested Facebook feed was outing me for my weird science channel outing I was on Science Channel rope I was very excited about it right felt like too excited about a rope I was on a show called strange evidence I think it was called which was basically like closed archival yeah it was it's like the the CCTV feeds and it's like I don't understand what happened can somebody try to explain this and I was on that show it was fine it was totally fun to be on but the clip they have me on is being like how did these cars just come to a full stop across this road and it's litter there's like this metal rope coming across the road Wow I went to the Alameda flea market that's a big deal yeah massive flea market you can pay early to get in you die which is I actually get in early so like early what do you think is early I think we might get crack at dawn yeah yeah say Lee normal price for starting at 5 bucks for a nine o'clock entry that's fine I'm not gonna make nine o'clock entry on a Sunday morning no in Alameda but people go really cracker dawn okay 20 bucks to buy things and it's a massive flea market it's the place it's the it's the the the place where Mythbusters you should shoot so the literally in the Alameda the docks I guess you would call them this big kind of airfield but it's like just that runway it's a runway that's what it is it sounds like but it looks it's packed it looks like a big bazaar and you can spend hours and hours there these are did you that's like the elephant like how do you pronounce it Babar yeah so did you buy anything um Danica bought a bunch of stuff we we collect two things we collect vintage 1970s Pepsi Co DC Comics glasses vintage glasses Wow like the kinds they sold at gas stations yes Jack has a huge collection of those and she's eagle-eyed she knows like for example like Shazam Noah wants to Sam you try to sell me just remember 20 bucks you probably 16 bucks too much because there I think the flea market experience is different now because of eBay thankfully yeah there's no reception whatsoever in the flea market reception what do you mean like a no cell reception so you can check right well aren't gonna be on eBay or whatever looking at stuff I thought you meant like shrimp and tartar sauce and like drinks Oh entire flea market is flanked by food trucks so you can have your cuddle corn you can walk around it's great jets taking pictures of things they're like if you're not gonna buy self a lot of cool furniture a lot of like we're tin toys yet signage we picked up a paint-by-numbers other thing that we collect and we got some really good deals on some paint by numbers will you be going back it's my third time there oh you gone back gone this is my third time there secret life I've never gone I'm so interested in going yeah but I'm curious what load-in looks like for that like it must be like building a small city it is because the cars they are there they can't run the cars they can't run power but it's rows and rows of people with carpets rolled out tables set up all their wares and then they have a very efficient system of the trucks coming in from the sides to load things for that people buy if you do buy furniture not everything it's not a it's not like going into an antique store and finding like the rare thing that the owner didn't know yeah what is this a salt shaker no it's a curta calculator like I'll pay you five bucks for it it's not that because everyone there knows the value of their things it's about finding a thing that you can't otherwise don't want to wait for shipping for or you can haggle or you just like see it in person and discover that thing exists so it's great for discovery is there classic computer games and technology like computers there was Sean Charlesworth and he said he saw this classic robot but it was way overpriced um no classic computer games all right there were Xbox games Expo I guess that's vintage yeah let me like it like arcade games that kind of thing I did see like old like clinical machines and like that no no pinball like it's more it does feel like antique store stuff there's stuff you would put on the counter stuff you put in the kitchen you know lots of interesting Heat teacups and cookware the thing that I I love and we got one of these last time we went but I always love looking at them are the the Hamilton drawers so they're typesetting typesetters so yeah type set of drawers which can be repurposed as display cases so you hang them up on your wall and they hold what previously they would be holding like letterpress and now they would you can put like little trinkets and things of them when Mark du Bois is in the office a while ago he said the the VK machine from the original Blade Runner actually has a typesetter drawer and oh alright not another awkward alright let's talk about some pop culture news now I want to do Antiques Roadshow tested edition and I will evaluate it I love that actually then be fun you have to do it exactly in the same style we get like so it's yeah appraised all the old video games oh it would just be Jerry being mad be like how could this not be appraised for a million dollars this game so it's like it's like the viewer side the camera on the viewer in front of the TV is so wrong about that thing just watch thorne this weekend not yet oh I did watch sorry okay I watched Thor as well I watched the first one oh okay well because this is clearly the best of the Thor films it is and I think it builds on what was great about the first one what people liked about the first one the fish out of water or the comedy it really leans into that did you enjoy the first door I did I was shocked by just when I saw who the director was Oh Kenneth Branagh hannett's Branagh what that's awesome well the one that was first some context when they first announced Thor Thor was a risky character just like Iron Man was a risky character for Marvel Thor I believe was the second Marvel film I could be very wrong about this I believe his Iron Man Thor then Captain America First Avenger throat was right before Avengers I think no because Thor 2 came out before then at the very end of Thor like the post-credits sequence its Loki eyeing the that's right right it's it was sorry and it was Iron Man Captain America then Thor then we had the event and of course Hawk was universal I did like it I liked all the fish-out-of-water stuff that you mentioned yeah like that Thor was a newer character right all felt fresh but kenneth branagh hood you know directed hamlet and many experiences he seemed like a perfect fit mom he was a great fit for Thor 1 because of the his portrayal of Asgard I think he really set the tone of creating what it would be like it's not Game of Thrones but it's like what it'll be like for a species of aliens to be gods and have on to live on this the plan of their own and slightly arrogant Thor is kind of fun yeah we got a little bit return of that yes yes which is great because we got kind of morose sad Thor in the second movie yeah moody Thor yeah and speaking with on the second Thor was directed by a game of Thrones director so sick one was really dark you know Dark Elves it was very like Earth is in peril third one know that what I loved about it it wasn't about the earth being in peril or any planet being it was just like a survival story Asgard was in peril sure but it's not something that the viewer you relate to like okay there the planet London is in peril San Francisco no it's it's like the Lord his own adventure so my only criticism of that movie or my main criticism of the movie is that it almost was tried to be too comedic like because there would be just these punch down lines it would just appear in the height of some of the climactic battle what's wrong with that I guess not it's nothing Phillip yeah it sounds like guardians of the guy was totally totally they said Guardians had a lot of the people love Guardians they love that but visually not let his distinct it did not look like guardians it had an almost Jack Kirby esque color tone to it so it was very new gods and Jeff Goldblum was great Nate I don't there's a little bit of controversy and we'll talk about all the controversy surrounding Thor not gonna plot details but one of the controversies is that people are unhappy somewhat that the big second act reveal was like in the first teaser trailer and that oh the like the character Riviere character reveal yeah and like I don't know how you get away from that because that was such a big part I mean the Hulk thanks Jeremy no everyone I mean people refer to this as a buddy cop film we right yeah it's like but like the film doesn't play it as everyone knows I thought that was first scene no the middle plays it as like all Thor's not gonna know that this is gonna the audience is gonna love this but like and yes the moment is is awesome the reveal still has a great impact but 100 percent lessened because it was just the part of the marketing campaign I think they had to do it as part of the marketing campaign because all the money's yeah to make all the money though I thought there was still a cameo that was amazing mmm in this movie I'm trying to think of what I'm talking about or you know nothing is a play yes yes yes yes yeah did you see any Infinity stones I shall not discuss this Wow okay so is this it we're not gonna go it's not a full spool or cast but there is a scene not well related to the plot of the film that acknowledges an easter egg in Hulk and and oh yeah yeah walking through the huh yeah so in Thor one I'm sorry Thor one Odin has his chamber of trophies yeah right and that's where that that's where what's the ice giants they break in it they break so it's where the test Rack is held it's a cask of ancient winters right there the eternal flame and what's the villain are in the big century guy the Guardian destroy destroy yes yes destroyers with the fire vision yes yes and then the great body armor so that's like Odin's chamber and in Thor one we get a fleeting glimpse of Thanos gauntlet the Infinity complicating it is literally it's a master with gems it's in the background people freaked out because this is a before Avengers 1 yeah and like Odin has Infinity Gauntlet it's gonna be huge plot point in the in the Avengers film it's gonna be like that's where it is we know where it is now the prop showed up at Comic Con that exact prop was brought out four minutes at comic-con rolled out literally unveiled then veiled and rolled away and obviously that's not the Infinity Gauntlet because at the Stinger at the end of I believe Ultron right or no no guardian guardians yeah where he ins - no no guardians one more thinnest goes my fine I'll do it myself it myself that's right and he he yeah he has the gauntlet he puts on the gauntlet right so he has a gauntlet so they acknowledge that there are two gauntlets no that's not a mistake car like it no they say they played up for comedy interesting yeah it's a great scene a quick question about door one does the Natalie Portman storyline continuent door - hey that's continued to make is a important part mate maybe is like the only story in in Thor - okay cuz it was gone in Avengers like that surprised me that they had that whole arc happening and then nothing in ventures eight they mention her do they yeah yeah so in the ventures one but they mentioned her in both Avengers actually in Avengers 1 Coulson goes when they went Thor is on the Helicarrier for the first time they're coming together Coulson Agent Coulson goes to Ori we found dr. I forget her name Jane Jane Foster dr. Foster we've excluded her away because Salva has been mind change like wow she's been she's a secure location Thor you know to worry about her so they threw that in for the fans they didn't want to cast her over my helm and then in Avengers 2 in the party scene in Avengers Tower they do I think is it Iron Man yeah I think it's it's Iron Man and Thor have like who's whose girlfriend is better or Thor wasn't James better Jane's Oh Jane so national physicists and and has won many prizes many awards there's an odd in this film too so I say I was surprised and to your question about Infinity stones I was surprised at what did or did not happen in this movie because you were convinced I was a hundred percent convinced and it was wrong huh it's okay be wrong sometimes that's what life is a scientist but you know what that means that means I'm camping out for Black Panther Wow yeah you know the black time that looks amazing uh I watched in Dolby cinema and totally worth it 100 years old and Dolby cinema now the experience ee senate this time wasn't as earth-shattering as Blade Runner and Dolby cinema but I love that screen I love that sound all of the reclining seats I think it's just as good as if not better than IMAX for film that's not actually shot in eighty millimeter IMAX and I close my ears during the force awakens for the last Jedi trailer oh wow I did your ears I did the jonad did his full choice from le eyes-closed la la la all the people sitting around you were pissed off I buried my head in Danica's shoulder okay I'm sure in a couple years they're gonna come up with a way of like if you do not want to see this trailer right they'll be like sensory deprivation no they want you to see the trailers they're there the trailers or they'll be fine yeah they've already sold the ticket I know they've already sold the ticket but yeah I guess our controversy with or the movie made a ton of money like hundred twenty two million or something and opening weekend exceeding all expectations but and the reviews were glowing you know I think at one point on Rotten Tomatoes the highest the most well reviewed Marvel movie not only of the year I think of all Marvel movies at 94% its little own now not all could review and not everyone could review it you would think that publication as prestigious and established as Los Angeles Times would be among the early reviewers and they have apparently as of last week they were blackballed from reviewing Marvel films they did not get access to early screenings partly because they had been reporting on Disney's relationships with Anaheim yeah and some potential not for us to say shady business practices it was uh it was a really long form story on the link between Disney and Anaheim politicians was around a parking garage it was an ongoing story right yeah they kept reporting on it yeah yeah so this is a lengthy story about just sort of give backs this the city has made concessions to Disney around you know certain public land and so what wasn't clear to me from the story was the LA Times thinks that's why they got punished by this but was it ever overtly clear that that that Disney said because you are doing this they just banned them without a reason right right right so people just assume it's because of that story yeah is that a do you think it's a wrong assumption yeah I don't think it's a wrong assumption but I'm just you know trying to be clear about this yeah about what we know okay and other outlets had then come out and join the only times in solidarity and talk about not reviewing Marvel films until the ban was lifted and it worked yeah and it's now lifted put it like particularly some writers groups and awards groups they said we will not be awarding Disney any awards this year for any films Wow unless this ban is that's great yeah don't let the studios bully you as a journalist like freedom of the press is important especially this year where there's so much animosity towards the press yeah yes yeah now of course it is a Studios prerogative to allow any reviewer a DV once - to review any product or any any company right early reviews like it there's nothing stopping LA Times from going day one you know going to a midnight showing and writing a review but it's about the early access and when it's all about you know the hunt for these eyeballs and and and servicing the reader you want to give the bit of the best most Farris and review you can so I'm glad that's that's something that the the press one out on in other industries that may not have been the case you know there's been some notable blackballing and and the games industry for example suspicion of that happening in the NFL right now yeah yeah and then some other controversy with Walt Disney Studios from sort of how long this is really news it's funny of course Disney owns Lucasfilm was releasing the last Jedi this December and their relationships not only with the press but also with the theater groups themselves the very venues which will be making them all the money's in December is strained because some reports say Disney has given these theater owners and theater groups like AMC Regal whatever century new terms yes so what's the deal I i've only read the headlines on this because it seems kind of you know i'm gonna see the movie i don't need to know the inside baseball in this but but they were requiring a larger take from the theaters yes it's all business right so i I didn't realize this myself I've thought it was a very standard practice that there was a industry-wide standard of the cut just like you would have for App Store for something right like theaters take theaters make most of their money from concessions and from upselling yes right and the other value-adds arcades or whatever and most of the gross ticket sales goes to the studio and I didn't realize there was even much of a cut at all yeah it seems that at least for Star Wars the cut is as previous it was as high as 64% went to the studios the rest 36% went to the theater chain and the new terms is has boosts that up too apparently the according to some reports 65% which 1% of a billion dollars yeah is honey ten million dollars spread spread evenly from theater chains but it's more about forcing if you if you're a theater you want to screen the last Jedi the last Jedi has to be in your best screen for a month the month art there's what I think the theater owners had issue with because if if you're your asset as a theater owner is your screens right that the number of screens the quality screens if you have an IMAX screen Adobe cinema screen the highest value ticket is in that screen and typically it's the first two weeks of us the most important and it should be your prerogative ever movies doing well to keep that movie playing cuz to everyone benefits but to force a movie to say contractually this has to be on your best screen for the high stickit sales that you can't make any other you can't you know their big release that's a big deal I think it's big the place that it bothers me is is not the the multiplex is because they can they have enough screens to make this work it's the art art house smaller places that maybe they want to screen some of the Oscar films that are coming out at the end of December and this would kind of put that a block on some of that I feel like there's a very clear symbiotic relationship between the studios and the theaters that this disrespects you know it's an everyone's interest to have the best best selling movie in the best screen the theater owners are gonna want to do that as long as it makes sense right right once there aren't there isn't the audience and doesn't make sense and they need a smaller theater they should be able to do that totally and the a pair of according to the reports the contract contractual terms indicated that if the theater was to violate and take Star Wars off of their best screen you know the third week or earlier in the fourth week they're cut to Disney for that run will get bumped to 70% as a penalty yeah I could understand theaters just not wanting to stomach that and that's what some theaters did and they said they are not gonna be playing the last Jedi that which sucks for everyone I mean can you believe it can you believe that it wouldn't make financial sense for theaters to show it Wow I mean that's what it came yeah yeah and I don't know exactly how the politics work because for example in most major cities there in downtown areas you have a ton of theaters right but there are different chains and sometimes it feels like certain chains get some movies and certain chains don't get they don't compete they don't they don't have AMC and century that are across the street from each other they both they don't both have the Batman film so if one has the Batman film one has the Star Wars film or something so I don't know exactly how it works apparently that the typical cut is about 50 to 60 percent of the gross goes back to the studio from ticket sales which totally deserving of you know it's their film they made the movie but it's not easy to run a theater as a business yeah speaking of more movie news uh you know Justice League comes out like a week and a half is that true yeah just yeah I couldn't be less excited about that man rides in the front of the Batmobile and jumps off yes yes Wow just like every every commercial I see for it every trailer makes me less excited because it's just all like frenetic movement no story yeah don't think the rest of the film a story that's thinking of a real bad did you see the the jiff of gal gadot using the Wonder Woman Instagram filter Nora alright what is it snapchat snapchat no it's great okay the tiara and it makes her Wonder Woman that's interesting she smiles it's great that's great yeah pretty smile I like like the actors having fun with their roles James Corden - really fun with Thor all the cast members of Thor did a fake stage play of thor ragnarok no.4 for surprising to surprise an audience who thought they were going to a screening it was it was a gag that's amazing it's got ten minute video actually totally worth watching anyway this this year oh my gosh yeah this year we had the mummy reboot which is supposed to eat Universal Studios first film in their shared cinematic universe called the dark universe oh poor guys yeah and it was the mummy it was me all their monsters right so the mummy I guess Wolfman who else dr. Jekyll mr. Hyde was gonna be one they had already cast a bunch of characters of Tom Cruise Russell Crowe all these big name actors Johnny Depp everyone Invisible Man all these people involved now it's gonna be put on hold so no because we both saw the mummy and was like this is terrible yeah yeah I think it's more point like you can't force a cinematic universe to happen you can't make that the business plan and and and jump right in you gotta build make good movies first so it gives me a little bit of fear because there's also like the Godzilla shared universe and I like both the first Godzilla film the reboot and also Kong Skull Island and there's another one so that shared universe makes more sense than a monster universe with that we don't associate those characters as being linked yeah yeah no totally true I mean movie studios are they want I pee right like one that's one of the reasons people enviously call Disney the IP Factory because they owned so much yeah and they they did they made the right business decisions in terms of buying up Lucasfilm you know Star Wars and he had a jokester and buying up Pixar and buying up Marvel Marvel Comics and there was a business deal reported earlier this week that is unconfirmed and apparently is not an active discussion but Disney was in talks about 20th Century Fox Studios yeah not the TV stuff so we're not talk about Simpsons we're not talking about x-files not talking about 24 that or American Idol but we're talking about the Fox Film French which include all of the mutants all the roster of fantastic for mutants Deadpool and Recor that all back into the Disney family and the x-men and also aliens predator I mean all these care imagine that in Disney and the Disney family it's tough for me to imagine because like I couldn't if Disney owned Deadpool we would not have the same get no we wouldn't have gotten that Deadpool that's yeah we might have gotten Ryan Reynolds but not that right right kind of crazy typical so I'm both in favor of this and against it like I'm in favor of the idea of a cohesive Marvel Universe just because like there's no reason for those characters not to overlap but at some point like this is like all the telecoms merging together like we're losing some story credibility and an interesting stuff that could potentially happen yeah and I get that Fox's made some terrible movies yup these characters recently with the exception of Deadpool but I still don't I don't want a Disney fight universe where it's Kevin Feige running everything yeah I mean I think it makes what they did with Sony made a lot of sense with spider-man you know work out a business deal to cross pollinate and to give some of the Disney Magic some of that Marvel Studios magic and direction tell influence some of the films that could use help like Fantastic Four those franchises but I don't think they need to own everything or to be have their fingers and everything but new IPs are are rare and they're coveted and it's one of the reasons Netflix found an exclusive relationship with comic book creator Mark Millar Miller world and Netflix next year born out of this relationship will be releasing its very first comic book series Netflix publishing a comic book oh like a physical comic a physical comic book yeah oh that weird I don't get it yeah this is Ryan with the show I know maybe I think maybe the idea is to use it as an IP testing ground so you can get people comic-con excited people definitely there are a lot of fans of mark Miller's work this comic book series is called the magic order and it's about magicians who live among us so grown-up Harry Potter I don't know Mark Miller will have some twist to it but they could have turned into a film I mean this is what the netflix owns it completely yeah and it's a very low cost for them it's a hire someone to do something but they've been doing well and already would have been doing writing comics and not have to invest hundreds of millions into buying a franchise buying a property and then making a film out of it if this does well they'll make a film on it I'm sure they're developing other properties in the films or TV shows already other big thing in comic news comic book fans know the name Brian Michael Bendis BMB as people know him as Miles Morales forever he is not only the creator of Jessica Jones I've got to crater of the new spider-man ultimate spider-man Miles Morales he was the writer of ultimate spider-man for that it's almost its entire duration super successful especially with kids yes yeah incredible writer he's done some work he but he previously had been exclusive as a Marvel Comics writer and had done so much for the moment ran he wrote so much of the big events the crossover events the mega events and this week shockingly and he is has signed an exclusive contract with the other side with DC DC Comics it's this is big deal in comics world what does it mean well he'll be probably writing some battements you everything in a face I'm looking to see how big a deal it is it is a big deal a big deal because because I think it's mostly because of ultimate spider-man how successful that series is this doesn't mean that he's gonna get a chance to take a character beloved character and reboot that character in the same vein is there gonna be a new imprint Geoff Johns over on the DC Comics I'd had been that role writing all the literal rebirth characters with Green Lantern and Superman but I would hope that DC wants him to create new characters Oh advanced characters because what Marvel has done very successfully over the past couple years is take familiar names like Captain America like Captain Marvel and given and even Iron Man and given them too new characters they don't be named new heroes I know it's tough to create a new type of super hero or a new name that's gonna resonate but have the character squirrel to have them evolve and have a new generation take on the mantles and I would hope that that's one BMB can do for DC hey either of you follow Blizzcon news well I follow a little bit just because I played World of Warcraft for a good year in my life and it's curious I like the company it's a good games company I mean they do good stuff they really are one of the best at what they do they are absolutely one of the best what they do and and how many games company has that have their own con like that's it that's pretty cool don't you don't see call of duty conned and the Tony Hawk ah oh God call of duty con would be rough the sims con no you don't know don't see any of that yeah Blizzcon it's like they're like the Pixar of video game companies everything they make explodes that's reject they say have very little fury failures unlike Pixar though like they're not be they're not beholden to their schedule in the same kind of way like Pixar has to meet their best dates but these guys take their like on valve time right take it until they did their because everything they put out seems to be a hit yeah and incredibly and they're like they were making working on this MMO for half a decade and then they said yes not working out we're gonna we're not gonna make that anymore and then everyone moved over to overwatch and they made one of the best team shooters ever so this Blizzcon was the biggest ever and they had these different arenas for every major property that the company has which are like huge rooms yeah I went last year and but you went Anaheim Convention Center and literally every you you take like the biggest land party you've ever seen multiply that by five yeah because it's great every game is that area land set up tournament set up giant stadium size competition arenas set up so watch for StarCraft yeah so it's part land party part comic-con what's called port carp it's part cosplay yeah meetup part and park land competition it's also by party been I mean it's like I guess where you get all the announcements for the year right so big announcements well the big one for me personally is probably they're bringing world of warcraft vanilla like me classic the first version before there was the craziness that destroyed everything and opened a rift and everything went crazy and all the expansions so there is a new expansion though there's a separate so yeah there's the of course there's another we're gone we're going back to Leroy Jenkins but a lot of people have been saying you know look that is a part of something that I really liked and it's gone can I please go back to that world what are you looking to do in that world well like storm wind and is like not destroyed and the world is as you remember it when you first played World of Warcraft is this gonna be like one of those Warcraft share universes like this is a time-travel thing and what you do in this vanilla universe will somehow bleed and so that's weird and like I mean it's an opportunity to create some story I did say it's a much harder challenge than we think and so they're true then they want to make it the game you feel you remember not the actual experience so they're they're doing they're working on it no ETA but they are bringing that back I think that's great because I will probably try that Wow I mean I can't commit to signing up again because that's that's a real commitment there's a real commitment there's an awesome looking mouth now coming up for overwatch which is themed world based mm-hmm yes it's Blizzard World theme park base it's seriously a blizzard theme park you're bearing in this this is some weird like meta stuff yeah like I'm sure will be fun but like people are already playing a blizzard game they want to be like now in their face the game with a company who made the game at least the world and there's a Murloc above the entrance it's like not even overwatch it's like this big Blizzard weird your theme park one day might as well do get people excited about that idea can attend I would go to real Blizzard world oh my goodness you go into a they did like you know camera fly throughs of the world and every of the actual map them out you go into this tavern and there's the classic Blizzard games like that on little arcade games nice it's super combat map I don't like spider-man it's awesome super happy but the next thing is what I was most excited about you're happy about what's darker I still play Starcraft you go east straight path to free-to-play multiplayer of course yeah all the single-player expansion that you play that books each prolonged game is old now it's like this got six years old yeah yeah yeah that's okay I don't know so it makes sense it it makes sense for Starcraft 2 because it still has a pretty big community of people that play online I like if you look on Twitch I think it's still in like the top ten games that are streamed what are the microtransactions that will help this game survive I I don't know that's a good question okay yeah and then there's like expansions for her stone and I don't know heroes of the storm here the Hanzo is coming here is at the storm but cross pollenization universe looks cool do you see there are a couple friends have tested up at Blizzcon yes yes bill Duran punished props piss cons one of the big mentions he goes to and he unveiled a is that costume but a RC prop human-sized RC prop of a probe droid from Starcraft 2 previous yeah do we look look gorgeous huh it was awesome I had friends that were at Blizzcon that were posing for photos with Proteus and like hey that's Bill thing yeah it looked great and it moved around pretty pretty decently at at a decent probe like rate yeah I think Frank brought his morose yes yes they were dressed up again we're locks in cosplay so very cool I think that does it for some pop culture news let's talk about really I know what you did last Friday Jeremy Williams you shook hands you did the secret handshake with your UPS guy I and it received your an 81 10 and then he took your headphones and you put them in the trash I put a little headstone above them 30 printed headstone yeah above them yeah yeah yeah yep I got an iPhone 10 I did I broke down and I got the iPhone 10 and I'd so did you I did you can talk about the iPhone 10 people must know our opinion the people must know no one else has given any opinions about this phone yet so this is going to be a very novel well we talked about the reviewers not having a lot of time with it so we're all kind of even playing field but the expectation the fear is coming out of the announcement you know a month ago a month and a half ago now was what justifies what justifies $1,000 phone yeah or what does it mean when Apple says this sets the path for the next ten years of iPhone is it about the interface is it about design like what what about this and obviously this is a big jump in past years we were thought like this is the kind of update that would have made sense for honestly an iPhone I have two iPhone eight right and then I four if not iPhone 7 because the six seven and eight all look similar so and the largest set the the ten looks very similar to the iPhone six small design you mean in terms like the outer case the yellow feel yes yes there is a glass back this time there's a metal band around the outside comes in those two colors the screen right is the screen in actual benefit and does that not actually hinder the UI experience right can I hold it I have actually never held one do you have one that in the case I do here we go oh sure let me unlock it for you I had to look at it so better swipe up before it locks the scree the screen is great the screen is great this it's won some awards for that like they did a really nice job on the screen that's true so it's it's uh I don't know the exact pixel dimensions of the screen but what's important to know about the screen is that it is higher resolution than the previous plus phones which with 1080p screens rendering but rendering at the same resolution as those phones I believed because it's rendering a true 3x3 points per pixel okay and so it's a integer multiplier for what the what the images are displaying and so you're getting extremely sharp texts and sharp photos at this high pixel density without any dithering there's no down scaling but it is a pentile displays their first pentaiah yes this is I take this pixel that's why the pixel resolution doesn't mean a lot because you can't compare it compared to just LCD RGB stripe yeah but it is dense enough and it is the case with like the Samsung Galaxy si it's as well that you cannot see the pentile arrangement with the naked eye yep you cannot app you can you can scrutinize you can you can try to like look at a white image like a white Tex or with a black border around it and try to move your eyes left and right because you would notice most notice lit in any of the aliasing for high contrast images and you can't notice that at all it it is a gorgeous gorgeous screen that works really well outdoors as well oh so it holds up under sunlight holds out to where he's worried about really well under sunlight it gets bright enough and having that full screen like so I still have my success I've been switching back and forth between them or the past week just cuz I need to transfer stuff over that forehead and chin now seem so dated hey I can understand that when you're watching media like when you're just using like apps on your phone it doesn't bother me as much but when you're watching videos the full the edge to edge makes a huge difference it bothers me in Twitter it bothers really mail it I cannot stand that the forehead the chin on the old phones now Wow I'm converted yeah no I like it - I like it - and the notch doesn't bother bother me much at all so the notches is functional - I mean force functional meaning they had to make some functionality out of the fact that there is they call the the horns or the the ears yeah on the left and right side and so you get less information overall than you previously did with the top bar to top like a couple percentage of the screen because you don't see battery percentage indicator uh yeah that type of information right that's there's still more screen real estate yes yes but like if in terms of like what would normally appear on the top bar of notification bar yep that is split between left and right side very highly delayed there there's now no longer room for a percentage now if you want to see that you have to pull down a little yes but pulling down from a notification drawer from me in a shade from the top right at the top left now perform different functions because because there's no whole button that Android like if they always do them let's talk about that home button yeah like that's where it's at for me like that yes that's where the compromise is made and I and I used that word intentionally Apple released a video that was first time they've done that in a while which is how to use your new phone that's the because nose only changes non-apple thing to do yeah so yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna play the first a couple seconds to that because it leads into my only problem with this phone new gestures face ID and emoji other pretty cool things really easy to use here we go let's jump right in new gestures you've probably noticed that there's no home button everyone on board yeah I'm with you this is her I probably noticed I noticed that and that's it's like every Tegrity the first thing you'll notice is no that's right and we're all in the same page here you are then she says that's because we've made it even easier to get around your phone phones yeah also you think you think that's not true yes the reason they took away the home button is because they're betting that consumers will prefer more screen real estate over the conveniences that the home button offers and and I will also say and I'm their market research I know has shown that overseas China being a huge market the home button was actually a technical repair liability it was something that wore out oh I see okay and I did change that was between the 6s to the 7 was no longer a physical home button it was just a touch button touch ID being a part of it and technology is is one of the one of the byproducts cut not be going away me replace the face ID but I bet they didn't want to repair home ones anymore and so they changed their entire UI what took all these things came together bigger screen face ID well we're losing the home button okay but that is a compromise and it is a net gain I won't grant you that it is a better phone it's like I will take the bigger screen over the user experience like so user experience perspective yes the button is easier it's Morse it makes more sense it's more intuitive children who can't speak know how to use the home button if you teach them that they have to swipe up there's some granularity you have to teach them I where do you swipe up I wanted to you swipe up and it's not always the same thing if you're within an app that is portrait mode it's okay like you swipe up and you get back if you're within an app that is horizontal now there is no home bar down there in GarageBand until you try to swipe up it takes two swipes to get that done all right yeah it's more it's confusing because you don't you can't get right there plus when you're like at the lock screen and you swipe up you go to your last app rather than to your app like dock like although your spouse really so things like that really are are confusing to people when I first held your phone that's the first thing I tested was was the swipe up how easy that was to get through and I agree with Jeremy like the the difference in how much you're swiping up is super non-intuitive yeah I would completely agree that the onboarding time is much less intuitive than a button that does everything but acclimating to the swipe of gesture in portrait mode completely agree about landscape mean yeah messed up I like swiping up to go home more than pressing a button do you do one hand swipe up onehand one hand swipe up I mean I I've started to do it try it on my iPad because I'm so used to it yeah but I disagree it is a simpler direct gesture to hit a button I feel like it's faster to swipe out to swipe up the animation is smoother and that's what they've done on the OS level yeah and maybe the processor aside but like I on the success I want it to even though it has a home button I want that gesture there I want the gesture bar I also don't like that when to remove apps from your multitasking you know they never they don't want you to do that anymore then you have you have to hold down now never have ever wanted you to do that they never wanted you to manage your multitasking yeah you're right right they never like it's what everyone says right well how do you well this app is acting slow yeah well go to the multitasking and swipe it up and move it away yeah flight away so net like it used to be you to swipe him up and they go away now yeah hold down for half a second before you can do that and it's just a half a second but it's like annoying because it's like more annoying they never closing apps is not a part of their OS design they're their touch ID versus FaceTime I'm totally our face idea I'm totally on board a face ID I don't even need touch ID I just missed the home button for everything it did until you know let's talk about fake ID for a second has there been a noticeable shift for you and the fact that now you have to look at your phone to unlock it yeah that's like that's the behavior switch yes not in using looking at an app and opening the app because I'm gonna look at my phone anyway but yes in Apple pay eyeing apps anytime where I want authorization now it's a look at the phone and then double tap the side button and that UI interface of like hitting that home button or hitting via the the what used to be the power button twice now they have like a weird on-screen indicator like this arrow here hit that here that's I think it's super stupid don't you just use your watch for Apple pay I know I hate using the watch travel pay what why I don't even at that happening I hate it I think I think first of all watch on the the VeriFone thing is stupid huh first of all the fact that we're talking about Apple pay in the context of the watch I mean you if you buy the phone it should work to that does work but I mean it's clunky it that's great what about in the car that's where I was always worried about face I need yeah especially if your hand like unlocking it for someone else in your driving yeah so that is the legal it's all gray area right Apple would say that well don't use your phone in the car all right you should go in the car anyway they'd used that voice too I know everyone it's unfortunately true most people use their phones in the cars for one reason another maybe it's a totally legitimate reason like unlocking your phone so to let someone else use it that is much more hassle of a hassle because of face ID much more of a hassle I know it's a even dangerous because you actually have to pay a test you have to look at your phone precisely and so hopefully that means people will stop using the phone in the car or I don't know what the way around it like Apple kind of knows what you're driving so maybe they could have a bone where if you're in the driving road then you don't like your it stays on blocks longer well actually it does actually say it gives you a new thing that says I'm not driving and you have to swipe that right right no it's recognizing yours yeah yeah yeah yeah do you miss fingerprint at all touch ID mm-hmm probably yeah yeah absolutely for things like Apple pay and for and for downloading apps yeah I don't I don't I haven't missed touch ID I don't have pretty impressive it's because it's pretty great it's actually fun to have it fill in your password just by looking at you it that feels very futuristic is it's the first time in a while that I've used the technology on a phone that felt fresh felt magical yeah so it's more successful it doesn't so it's a question right it's a it is a security mechanism but you it's also this balanced print security convenience right where is that where is that line drawn so they want to be overprotective or they want to be a pain right so like I have not had any pasta false positives with anyone I've shown my phone to which you know it's not a million people so I don't know if it's one in a million but I definitely have notice a couple of false negatives where it takes one additional try right for it's fine my face primarily like in the morning you know the first thing I do when I wake up you look at the alarm Wow and I'm trying it it takes the second try I want to see norm in the morning now I mean not like hjerson no glasses no glasses but like you know I'm a little tired like you know I glasses weren't a problem they weren't a problem right but like it's like I'm like I'm just sheepish I'm tired in the morning I want to get some I hope my messages are yeah now I have to like put on a intentional unlocking face it gets my phone this has locking faces and freeze day wow that's funny Steven Levy said the same kind of thing he said that he had to really intentionally look it's intentional you have to be intentional I don't find that to be the case at all and for me anyway hmm I wonder if that has anything to do like I wonder if you recalibrated it if you'd have a different experience you know what I mean the whole setup is very easy like they scan your face twice yeah and the touch ID yeah yeah yeah I wish it did more than one face they could recognize but I understand why compounding faces would increase the potential for false positives I don't like how heavy it is it's because it's much heavier than success it is but given the size I am on board it's not heavier than the plus though no of course so anyone who previously was on the plus this is like everything is everything is better right it's smaller smaller bigger screen lighter you get the cameras it does not render like the plus in terms of that the points that the point the point resolution point dimensions state of the screen of the screen so if you're on the plus you actually on a website you see more text along the horizontal lines on each column that you would hear this is definitely more like a sharper slightly bigger version of their non Plus phones and the last thing I feel like they copped out on is no Apple pen no Apple pencil oh you wanted that and I wanted the Apple pencil my wife just learned that this exists and she wants to know why it's not available they got to yeah if it's a thousand dollar phone and has their best screen it has a larger screen with like a canvas why does it have pencil support is there some technological hurdle I bet it's much Olek I bet it's no no I bet it's a next year feature yeah they need an S feature I bet it's an S feature take notes what I mean it's a chance from the cell more accessories I haven't done any wireless charger yet I don't have a cheap pad and I want I want one of their new qi pads what do you think of the camera cuz that's that's supposed to be a big deal well that's other thing a lot of people who are getting this phone probably if they came from the non Plus phones this is like a world of change for them because I never wanted a bigger phone now they have a slightly bigger slightly heavier phone with the big screen but now they have two cameras and they have portrait mode last year portrait mode is only for people who wanted to pay for the plus or for the jet-black phone the big phone and that was one of the best features of the 7 so it'll feel new to those people but anyone who had the 7 plus it's same it's a nice camera ok schmoes nice the new portrait settings I find our total beta novelty yes like I'm not using all that natural light the black settings like that it doesn't for light I don't like the look of what contour light does to your face the studio light I preferred that occasionally but it's done I mean that the portrait mode is essentially unchanged from last year I I can't believe they haven't gotten that to work better I hate those fuzzy edges you don't like you don't like the the way does hair it just seems like that should have evolved a little better it's a good question I think if you look at the portrait mode so will has a pixel to excel and that one has its own version of the portrait mode with a single camera it does computational photography as well and I won't actually take salute like there's a delay that the photo needs to compute before you can see yeah step setting Google's image engineers chose a certain look they chose to really accentuate the hairs and give you really sharp outline features and I think Apple focused more on the eyes more than the hair okay so they they with because they had actual depth map data and especially with portrait on the face they have extremely good depth map data they're choosing maybe to portray a wider aperture lens to simulate a wider aperture camera lens it but it doesn't because there's things on the same plane that are in different focuses well with the I mean I think the eyes in the front of the eyes nose and mouth are highly InFocus and for them they feel like they can contour out you know the fuzziness and you know here I have found that it takes great pictures in good lighting yeah but I was hoping jumping two generations that low light would be better than it is and it's still just not there I think you'd have limb physical limitation of that sensor sighs yeah yeah you post a poll on Twitter this week of two photos yes one shot I assume what the ten yep the other one was shot with what with the pixel to excel okay so tell us what people voted people voted for the iPhone 10 and I think not because of the portrait mode but because iPhone in general does a better job representing color temperature on human faces just to be clear people didn't know which was which I did not know and and a lot of people specifically didn't dive deep into it and said if the color temperature was matched and the one on the left which was the pixel did better matching of the face they know much prefer that one but so it was not the fair test if you're just trying to judge the fake bouquet right but it is a fair test in that in this exact same lighting conditions these are what the camera's spit out it looked like the pixel used a flash it did not it was interesting washed out a little bit yeah yeah I preferred the bouquet on the pics one Oh interesting I did too but I preferred why don't you get one of those phones I said I would if I wasn't all locked into the Apple ecosystem there you go I preferred the bouquet on the pixel as well but I thought the the picture itself of Danica's face looked better from the iPhone yeah I think it's that washed out of nature yeah the washing and the skin tones look a lot better you know there's also bugs at iOS barely apples grappling with a bug where the letter I auto corrects to a weird a symbol you talk your phone Jeremy can I can I do one plus two plus three yet you know what you don't know about that one no what is this it's until I don't even think it's fixed you I think you need eleven point to open your calculator and quickly type 1 plus 2 Plus 3 and tell me not know the count when you're launching calculator yeah it gives you 23 because it doesn't finish the animation for the plus button fading out before 23 yeah so it thinks it's one plus 23 well yeah because it doesn't and this work this is true for so many calculations the calculator doesn't work anymore until they weigh if you do it slowly oh yes you let the animations finish is that just one plus two plus three or is it ever like no as many and it's many things yeah oh yeah wow wow wow wow bug but have you seen the one you see in the yeah if you type in the letter I it becomes auto corrects to a and some weird icon auto corrects auto suggests auto auto corrects if you hit space like oh this is I was saying guys earlier and yeah auto that's weird yeah it's a step towards iPhone 10 sentience it's just typing i whatever it feels like the trend right now people doing like typing like I was born and I'm letting autocorrect fill out the whole sentence and everyone gets a different so yeah this is fun so fun those are fun I think we should bring up the Samsung ad because he get made a lot of press Samsung came out with a whiting ad towards Apple over clever last ten years of people of this guy who bought an iPhone every year for the past ten years and there's scenes of him throughout the years either in line in the rain which is a kind of a low blow but you know has his dongles in his iPhone 7 so he's charging and listening at the same time using a big fat dongle while his girlfriend is wirelessly charging her phone he drops it in the water as does someone else and yet the Android users fine and his is not things like that throughout the years out of battery or out of memory and then at the end of course he just America but you have seen with a haircut yeah yeah there's somebody in line to get an iPhone 10 with a not here yes yeah and and he gets an Android phone and it's you know they took some of the things that were criticisms of the iPhone over the years and they used it against Apple I just think if Apple were to do the same thing it would be brutal can you imagine like just people screaming at their phone turn on that or just viruses bumping up from the Google days there was actually a worse problem with the note family a year ago you'll recall sure so yeah that that's you people houses Samsung I will I will say as as the Android junkie here I obviously not convinced to buy the iPhone 10 just because $1000 is is like $400 too much yeah add to to spend on a phone just for my you know personal budget and all all sorts of other things but I am convinced that face ID is a really novel yeah item that you know we should see in more phones and I'm starting to get convinced I was very skeptical about edge to edge but I'm starting to get convinced to edge to edge is the way to go so if face ID works and really it's about the interface and the UI and not having a home button why do they do a digital home button I'm sure the experiments with the idea because you have you have taptic you have the taptic engine doesn't need to have fingerprint recognition but just as a UI interface that make use of that bottom part of the screen well we experimented with turning it on there's an accessibility feature where you can put a permanent home button on your screen but it obscures everything yes you don't want that yeah they need to design around that is yeah yeah I don't know or a side button make it a side button no second side button yes no one wants a second side but is because then like how do you it has to be like thumb Abal uh-huh there's three buttons over there volume and power I don't know I don't like that at all like and those buttons do wear out you're talking about adding a physical button instead of it and and that's again why I think Apple doesn't want to have the thing that people do most on the phone be a physical breakable thing so that they have to pay for warranties and and repairs yeah last couple things with Apple an emojis you know usually popular I think well time will tell they work really well but I will tell whether they stick and a lot of that will be depending on what other companies produce that will tap into that facial tracking that is the most magnanimous thing you could say about an emojis they are on fire right now yeah and I hope they burn in hell they're ruining my life like people just posting like videos of their an emoji conversations now this is an emoji karaoke is the is the big thing yeah you've watched some of those I have seen those I I laugh out loud it everyone I think they're funny the fact that people and far are recognizing it's not that you sending animations as a conversation replacements is useful but the fact that you have powerful face tracking yeah built into a phone just like the AR you know pass through a are abilities of of the camera and the world tracking inside out tracking them these cameras now the fact that your face tracking built-in is a very powerful tool and I think we have scratched the surface of the potential for this like what that could mean for communications for sure in the future just wait till they start you allow you to model your own face so then there's a picture of you comes through time someone's gonna get like it's an avatar creator you know Sims like Martin and Nintendo like or something map it's your face and you know it could change communication like this could be I don't know a viable but it could be a just like texting change stop people from making phone calls and emojis help simplify texting this could simplify FaceTime conversations I think it could create a much lower bandwidth version of FaceTime somewhere you could convert it to data rather than video it's machinima I'm not the video isn't data but you know what I mean a much lower amount of days it basically be mmm yeah yeah machinima so what would identify you is it like your gestures I mean this is something going from the the VR world something we want if you are if you apply machine learning to this you could do an amazing rendering of artificial intelligence you minute you know controlling its own face you know that'd be neat this item.i are you scared about that we did the didn't we do the story about how they modeled President Obama's speech different this is definitely this is the path of that in that direction right like it's gonna be Mission Impossible where Tom Cruise puts an apple iphone in front of villains face and go say the sentence and then now they know all the facial expressions and you can replicate the face that way right on the rumor front of course you know if this is the next ten years of iPhone what is Apple's next big product everyone thinks it's some type of augmented reality technology but we're hoping it's a wearable it could end up just being a evolution of the phone but Bloomberg mark Berman who does have who occasionally gets scoops on Apple products is reporting that Apple is much further along than we think on actual wearable AR pass through the Vice what would how far along do we think they are well people are thinking like you know 5 to 10 years right away from now yes I don't think that yeah well the report says they could have something ready by 2018 and could ship as early as 2020 I think I'm gonna make some predictions ok that's hardball day prediction this I think 2021 all right what a weird prediction all right yeah are you from the future I wish I was you have the sports Almanac so you know the it's like Apple and cars apples and TVs there have been rumors forever about them working new product categories and things have not come to fruition they have all the money they have all the research have some they have the technology built into these phones I would love for AR to become a reality so I hope just like I want electric cars and and self-driving cars become reality I hope that AR bosses are in the works this past weekend I also stopped by our friend Gary what is house to check out something and well we will have Gary on the podcast future yes Gary Whitta up professional podcaster again Gary Whitta founding podcast host there this is only a test is that true no I think was just willing me and Gary in like ok when the iPhone 4 came out yeah when we photos that's how you date your your years and doing this show well it's what he's interested in he's also professional twitch streamer yes yes only write a professional twitch streamer and all-around good guy like every writer is like falling down the list I started off with screenwriter a former editor of you know PC gaming magazines PC gamer and and now also the proud owner of an OLED TV we got the LG got the LG c7 night I spent an hour his house watching content on his LG c7 and he'll tell us all about it when he joins a podcast but my opinion is it freakin amazing 65 or 55 you got the 6500k god my review that is jelly that that TV is amazing it's the best TV I've seen this year so you see I've seen in person I only have one that I have the most minor complaint about that TV but it is beautiful so what's the complaint the complaint is I don't like the stand it has a silver Stan that's angled down okay it's this beautiful black surface that has you know especially in a lot of the reviews show that even in sunlight it has some pretty good anti glare properties on it and so it's a beautifully flat thin screen that has these this this great black texture and then it has the silver angled stand underneath it I think takes away from that sort of austere nature that is such a minor complaint because it is stunning the the quality this is tough because we're not TV reviewers right we don't get do TVs over six months every year we're buying TVs as consumers where we're updating you know every six seven years right and Gary and both he and I bought our plasma TVs in 2010 seven years ago so he's jumping from 1080 plasma to 4k HDR and in 4k she alright now you have OLED right very high-end you have OLED but you also have LCDs LED backlit LCD which also do 4k Chanel which I think that's what you have yeah right Peppa Sony so 4k HDR is itself a massive chump regardless of the the technology behind it massive jump over 1080p LCD or 1080p plasma so you can get those benefits so my question is I need to see a direct comparison side-by-side of what's what this OLED brings to the table over a very high-end LED for cash to your screen because those have been weren't very well reviewed and those are you know like sixty percent the cost of an OLED screen at comparable large large sizes but just looking at one TV in this case the high-end OLED he showed me planet Earth to blu-ray 4k HDR which is like this is that's a system seller other killer app right there unbeliev of all the TV switches between HDR and non HDR mode when if attending on the source so if you're gonna watch cable television everything looks muted really it's spoil HDR spoils you yeah it tells you to be on screen on screen pop up and say HDR is on now Apple TV is interesting the new Apple TV which supports 4k HDR it does some up converting and brightness and makes everything 4k HDR hmm so it scales everything up to 4k and brightens everything up to HDR regardless if the source was coated for HDR or not so menus are brighter that's natural and look great these screen savers are now for case gr the great are those screen savers native HDR I know No okay they may have been processed again to be a jitter but you can't tell because a politically you switch that off yeah okay but some Netflix content definitely there's some stuff that was not HDR yeah but they boost up the brightness and it sometimes looks a little saturated did you try the defenders I did try defenders and defenders good like Kimmy Schmidt was great you know in 4k HDR it's weird because source there's no one set top box as everything which became very clear Gary had Xbox 1s which has 4k airplay but he had the built-in app on the lg tv the webOS space app and he also had Apple TV and we were constantly switching between them to find the right source of content like YouTube 4k HDR only works on the built-in TV thing Apple TV doesn't have that but Apple TV does the upscaling really well for certain things so you're still gonna be switching but you're buying a TV for what seven years is a life of a team at this point and hopefully so you have to imagine that 4k HDR content is gonna become the norm in a year or two it's worth pointing out though that that there is a standard for HDR there are multiple standards for HDR but that TVs don't have to support the full color gamut this one does support all of them one of those standards right now but not the full I don't need anything supports the full color gamut of the standards so like we're still inching towards full compatibility yeah it's just like how much depth can you buy right now this sounds like pretty good deal which makes it a really interesting time the content is we can tell it's reaching that tipping point of getting there there's simply stuff to watch now it's not ubiquitous but all the places are all the distributors and and constant services are pushing toward it but there's it's still very expensive hey by the way I'm not suggesting anyone buy this TV even though it's gorgeous because it's like 2,800 bucks yeah so like you can't justify that increase of 3x over you know a similar you know OLED in LED that's a lot of money if that's relative man I 2,800 bucks wouldn't have gotten you a 65 inch TV at all 7 years ago Oh totally true but I'm just saying I think there's models that get you probably eighty five percent ninety me a ninety five percent of the way and instead of a thousand bucks big deal if you're talking about going from 65 inch 55 and 65 that is a another like 40 percent jump in price almost double is that true yeah I know it really ramps up after 65 there there's a Netflix video called sparks by the way if you ever launched 4k HDR TV again yeah and that's just meant to demo 4k HDR oh and it's 60 Hertz and it's a guy with welding the TV yet we'll have Gary on talk more about the TV but I want to see in person now I mean he's on on that TV what about sales like what's the latency like did you play anything yes so he played Forza on the Xbox one s which is renders at 1080 at night gets up scaled I'm more concerned about the controls is there any lag or not that I could tell okay and he seemed happy with it so speaking video games the other you know a set-top boxes support high resolutions you know we had the ps4 Pro and this week we have released the Xbox one xx project Scorpio okay anyone here little fanfare I know isn't that strange this is a big deal this is a technically a mid generation with backward compatibility support but this is like a new console from Microsoft most powerful console ever ever and yet I don't see I don't hear ever the lines I don't I don't it's it's easy to get one yeah I don't know I'm not I'm not in the Xbox consoles generation this generation and I think a lot of it's because you know they don't have the exclusives yes though owns them you get the halo on that but right now you know ps4 Pro launched early has 4k support there's a difference between a console that looks better and a console that runs games that you can't run on other consoles right so it's not a generation change let's just see myself getting back in the console game with the upgrades to VR that I've done yeah it has like all that investment I'm gonna keep playing on computer at the on PC for a while yeah and uh and if you're gonna buy a new console he now seems like Nintendo switches the one you get this year well it has two world-class games right yeah alright let's jump through the rest of the tech stories pretty quickly who hears on Twitter two eighty twenty characters all of us Oliver almost yeah it's like everyone got two hundred eighty characters as of yesterday I've made one tweet that was longer than 140 characters and I feel dirty the shower did not clean away the stench of the 280 office uh you know I have to retract a little the IRI Express when they initially said people get into a tea it's not that bad to see bit longer slightly longer tweets in your timeline I just hope they don't go crazy and go off Facebook on us it's if it encourages people to do 280 as the norm yeah that's that's what I don't want to see because then your timeline shrinks then yes it takes so much longer to read them oh no that's not what I'm complaining about because also I don't threaten people also thread stuff whatever people get over this in a week when Twitter does something else bad and yeah yeah well maybe there at least we're not releasing glasses because that did not do well for snapchat spectacles by some estimates lost forty million dollars have forty million of unsold inventory in the snapchat spectacles what a turnaround from when they had the vending machines where what there is so they launched the product in these vending machines and there was like hours and hours of lines to get them out of the vending machine exclusivity is a huge marketing tool and at one point and I think they overestimated demand based off of that initial run-through yeah and plus they're hitting IPO so they need to build up their hardware business that's that's unfortunate what does that mean like they're discontinued I think they've got to reevaluate their strategy okay yeah if you're looking for a cheap pair of sunglasses snaps back there you go another unfortunate bit of news last bit of tech we had here some layoffs in the videogames community telltale is has been gone through some restructuring and a couple dozen employees of telltale telltale games had be let go unfortunately so which sucks a lot you know I couldn't find this news I saw ken Levine of irrational right yeah I saw him tweet that they he loves telltale games and if any writers from telltale looking for work and give him a call and I thought that's a nice thing to do and then I couldn't find any news about telltale has the whole studio closed down no no press release and those 90 employees which is that's a lot a quarter of their work yeah and so there are previous announced projects you know Batman wolf among us walking Gator still be continued but it's I think yeah there's no reason behind it you know there could be engineering it could be that you know their own game engines were dated and they wanted to jump on the unity or unreal huh but yeah it's I hope it's not a walk away from that kind of game storytelling that telltale has because it's it's so unique it's so beautiful it's so enjoyable it's just sad but it's also the state of video game companies right now isn't it feel like we've covered a lot of these lately well a lot of the video the ebb and flow of video game companies is they they ramped up in order to produce a game and then there's a lot of downtime between titles and they can't afford to keep everybody on staff so they have to let people go and then when they need more people they either hire contractors or get more full timers so it's it's not unheard of if they can't keep some sort of leapfrog cycle going where there's always enough projects in the queue it's tough all right that does it for technology news before we move on to our next segment also want to thank the other sponsor of this week's episode and that is chefsteps and the jewel sous-vide by chef steps are you a dinner party host looking for a foolproof way to 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is guardians of the galaxy whoa made by a stern pinball stern pinball okay yeah they make four games a year so you're gonna hear from me yeah yeah that often what were the other games this year that they did yes Star Wars yes of course yes that was that was big deal then before that was Aerosmith yep I don't think there's been anything all right okay in any case guardians is it's in a new platform it's got a big LCD panel back you know it's got the movie footage and all that stuff it's - as developed by John Borg who did like Tron and I want to say x-men in any case legacy yes and it's got a big group toy so you got Groot in the back and he hit you hit his mouth and he opens his mouth and you get the balls in his mouth and then for at multi-ball all the balls come out of his mouth we're saying the big head yeah yeah he's in the back there's like a small action figure the head is like 1/4 the width of are you late for you looking at the major photo and it's hands that's out from the side that's in the Le you gotta pay extra for the hands and I don't think they do anything like but there are hands that can come all over the plate field and this is turning into an outro no I just think there's so many euphemisms yeah that's true so I don't know it looks the pretty straight forward in terms of the flow and there you go if you're it's got pretty artwork it's not hand-drawn it's like all photoshopping but it's got all the colors you expect from guardians of galaxy why not hand-drawn did so well with ghostbusters didn't they yeah that that was a nice looking game as was Aerosmith but they when they're dealing with these license sores sure they're very pretty I like the Guardians theme so I bet you this this has good music yeah that'll be interesting to see what they license because they typically don't spend a whole lot of money on the music so it might be sound-alikes fingers crossed they got some of the good stuff that's all I got for you now it's time for a moment of science all right we're gonna kick it back to fifth grade oh yeah back about like elementary middle school we all learned how the first humans came to the Americas how did they come here by boat they walked over they walked over that version they walked over where they walked over from Alaska yeah through the Bering Strait yes when there was not coverage of that and the landmass emerged it's okay no I'm with you now and that was that's listed it was always been sort of guessed that that was about 13,500 years ago and the humans that came over referred to as the Clovis tribe and there's still still solid evidence that that happened but there's emerging evidence now that that's not how the first humans came to the Americas in fact in a recent paper in science it's now really disputed how they came because a group of scientists have been using our Ovie's to look at submerged landmass off the coast of the Americas both South America and North America on either coast and have found remnants of villages along the coastlines that might indicate that humans did not just cross the Bering Strait they they walked across these coastal areas or potentially even got there by boat that's why I said and they curve and these coastal villages predate when the Clovis walked over the Bering Strait so they're up to 14,000 or 15,000 years ago and then there's even even weirder there's a site off the coast of of California I believe that looks like a slight where mastodons were slaughtered which looks like something that humans would have been involved in that goes back almost 15,000 years and we have no idea how they actually came over here and because of where this evidence is it's basically all submerged underwater we may never be able to know but that idea that the first humans came across the Bering Strait is now soundly not in line with what scientists think so when you say human is not strictly Homo Sapien right no no these are homo sapien really 15,000 year um anyways stay tuned for that no it's gonna be years before any more papers coming that's topic all right Chris Hadfield's oh yeah friend of tested yes we can go out on a limb calm it he tweeted out something interesting recently about Mars terraforming and I think we should we talk about what he tweeted out so I the idea of terraforming Mars is problematic because there's no there's a very thin atmosphere on Mars it's about one-sixth the thickness of the of the earth atmosphere 1/6 one tenth and part of the reason is that is the solar wind from our Sun has basically pushed off the atmosphere and there's not enough magnetic shielding to deflect that solar wind away to build up enough of an atmosphere to exist so nASA has a future a future kind of futuristic meeting where they talk about things in in the lens of 2050 and one of the their astro astrobiology is I'm gonna get it wrong but one of their scientists from the Planetary Science Division proposed an idea that was really intriguing that creased Chris cheated out is instead of like terraforming Mars what if we put an object out beyond Mars at a point we'll just call l1 that essentially is a source of a big magnetic field that would allow the magnetic field to distribute backwards across Mars and then over time its atmosphere will grow whoa because you're deflecting the solar solar wind away how big of an object is that it has to be a pretty big guy it has to generate a pretty big magnetic field and so there's some initial scaling down of it and Chris tweeted out it's just it's not realistic it's just sort of a proposal for a very futuristic idea and but it's so interesting that this is the kind of conversation that's actually happening behind the scenes at NASA is there's potentially more interesting ways to terraform Mars then just actually terraforming it quote-unquote last story of the week we involved science in politics Lamar Smith who's been the head of the House Science Committee has stepped down he his tenor which I think has been the last few years has been marked with a lot of investigations into research at the National Science Foundation even some scientists accusing him of persecuting them and channeling out research this is interesting when combined with the fact that we have a new NASA Administrator that was confirmed this week Jim Bryden Stein who's a former congressman from Oklahoma I think him Lamar Smith's tenor is not was not well loved by scientists and they're eagerly looking forward somebody else coming into the in into that role that may present a different step forward for scientists that contention has not been beneficial for science the contention between that house science committee because it has really created an atmosphere that there is a war between science and politicians and I think that's something we have to move past so the replacement hasn't been announced yet but I think it'll be interesting keep an eye on in the coming weeks and that's it we need more scientists in politics yes we need the right scientist in politics yes the VR minute virtual reality this week marks we're running out of time so we're gonna do VR pretty quickly some people tune in just for this I know I know okay what do I talk about well we were excited about - at the oculus connect and yeah we have found out just I think yesterday although someone maybe someone just figured it out that in the latest developer notes for from oculus about unity is that they there's a small little note in there they expected launch - early December whoa so maybe great maybe one month from now oh my goodness that would be exciting yeah yeah I'm excited in beta mm-hmm nonetheless fun to play with yes I mean yeah yeah well and we'll be definitely testing that when that comes out there's also launch this week an IndieGoGo campaign with someone we are familiar with oh my good man this is crazy really interesting he's working with a company to make what they call VR shoes they see treadmill shoes that can react and respond to users intentions and movements to give you some type of locomotion in VR so his shoes have motors on them treads basically like tank treads that will go in the opposite direction of your walk so it's a good treadmill but on the shoes itself exactly a reversed written yeah I guess it's the same thing it's a less janky version of all of those VR treadmills that we've seen so the question is one how do you get the two shoes to sync up and two why do they have to sync up because there's your ocean yeah aren't they just both independently we're doing the opposite of whatever that foot is doing no matter what they have to kill your body because they need you don't start one your foots the idea is once your foot plants on the ground yeah the the treadmills already in motion to get your foot moving it's not like you push off of it right so needs to have it needs to know that your intention is forward movement yeah I don't know I feel like it might just always respond in that smallest second in that smallest moment you know that it would just respond very opposite yeah the right ever motion detection of your foots direction each individual foots intentionality exact but also it needs to be omnidirectional yeah that's the tough part Mikey's gonna walk backwards sometimes is that what you mean more than backwards decides I know most people walk not just in a straight line playing a game strafing is important I don't know but looking at the prototypes of these on this IndieGoGo video it doesn't look like does any any that writes for them it looks like forward and backward there's no product here it's about making a prototype a seventh-generation prototype and even Jamie genius that he is says this is a very hard problem absolutely and I think tackling the problem is I mean we want be saying it in my mind's like rollerblades right if I'm a roller skates like I'm no good with roller skates and you know anyone's to put on low skates can try to run in place yeah so like that but with more control with motor sided have to say when I first saw this I thought this was totally fake oh yeah yeah because it just seems like such a like initially when I came on the page of like this can't be real and it was like stock images of Jamie yeah pasted on the IndieGoGo I think the challenges are gonna be as much in the software as in the hardware oh very much where the biggest risks are probably with this and then don't you have to have a developer that actually makes a game that's gonna utilize that right right so so he's asking for 50,000 which isn't that much money yeah unfortunate he's only raised 14% he's got a money month up a day or two that's true good luck Jamie yep now Logitech also interesting product that probably a little more practical for VR something I've been asking for a long time a keyboard because their maker of gaming accessories with a mount for a vibe tracker and software a lot you track your keyboard in games yeah what I want I want to use this absolutely so it's called a logic bridge work with the vibe system of course with steamvr but they only have 50 developer kits so far so 50 developer kits 103 bucks plus you need the hundred dollar tracker and the vibe it's something that I wish they would have just put the sensors in the keyboard oh yeah that makes it that makes sense however if you're going like I would like to see a adaptor so you could mount this onto any keyboard and then some configuration process that lets you say where the keys are right then you haven't it was compatible with any keyboard right all right yes I mean you know maybe a little or me yeah yeah yeah yeah but Logitech makes the keyboards they want to sell the keyboard mainly out the confusion with this for me is I can't see my hands still so I want to see how easy is it to use a keyboard when you can't see your hands and what if you know where the keyboard is that's still good no that's still that's still positive yeah but also what can they turn that keyboard into in VR like that there's real magic potential there so it actually makes a lot more sense if you're designing a keyboard to actually work with VR like if that is actually a user a model that you want yeah you want the keyboard itself to have trackers so not have an external tracker right to work with over tracking system either I are looking IR lights for oculus system or the four diodes for for the vibe but you'd also want capacitive sensors on the keys so you know when your fingers are resting on the keys and that would then activate you know light em up in VR I suppose right you rest your fingers on the keys and then it they glow in VR so it knows where your fingers are resting uh-huh I guess that's a compromise would not be able to see your hands so it raised 'full right and then another Kickstarter something kind of interesting Zef VR an accessory for the rift to mount fans underneath your head says what's crazy about this is it I actually I thought about this I wanted to make a fan that sits on your desk that is V are controllable I think this makes a lot of sense so I put this on there I I came across this I put this on there just because I have fond memories of when we did birdly yeah all those years ago about the variable speed fan that was there and it occurred to me it's like you don't actually need developers to do much to make this happen right potentially they don't have to code for this why not because you can have it it's sense sort of your movement to a source of associate to the what wind speed then tracking movement or or or the game it has it do what the game design though right we're a lot of experiences sure it has to have some connection to the game design but I'm just saying I don't think you need to have gate I think that's their argument is you don't need to have exclusive games made to utilize this technology you want but you still want developers like if wind Linz was gonna corporates like this they need to code in the act that you're swinging your velocity is this much they say fan what they say is it listens to the actual sounds of the game picks up the wind in the game and then so there's a fat processing yeah how does it know the difference between like a drum solo and a bunch of wind I don't know that's why I don't know why it's a Kickstarter but that's their idea is that you don't have people pour it but like what is it interesting to you as I love it no no I I think it's a great idea I'm not sure about mounting it on your face yeah it's got to be somewhere yeah I don't know maybe just put it on your desk or mounts it somewhere on your monitor or something but I do think a fan is a great idea for a sense of haptic feedback for it for VR yep we've been playing can we say this are we going to what we've been testing oh it's still still still be our minute oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so I don't know if we can say this yeah but we've been playing something yes we simply playing something upton coming out next week and you watch this week's episode of projections you'll hear our thoughts on it when does that come out I leave this Friday ok all right that's interesting was it though is is it does it involve hardware no oak software is just software just yes were you involved in the shooting of this episode we have two that we have multiple things all right so are we done with doing are we testing anything this week or just going straight to the credits let's go show the credits are we've run out of time and fortunately with some other shoots to go on there's a bunch of red stuff on the site we have more from Adams trip to Budapest and his visit to the Blade Runner set we have a designer Kahn is this coming weekend so I'll be there what's that designer Kahn it's a convention for toy designers and I mean and people who custom figures we actually the visitor yesterday Michael Singh who made the codename Colossus remember we built I guess it was built he was in he's here from Singapore on his way to designer Khurana and brought his new mech so he's also running a Kickstarter didn't describe it also is like the holiday party the see the better version of those Etsy oh yeah holiday Mart's Oh totally yes and we'll be back next week and I think we may have a special guest in the podcast next week to talk about an emoji all right happy birthday ashore thank you yeah thank you everything and we've an outro we do from damien walls bye bye\n"