A Quick Look at the Aorus X670 Elite AX and B650E Auris Master Motherboards

As I was browsing through the latest motherboards available in the market, I stumbled upon two that caught my attention - the Aorus X670 Elite AX and the B650E Auris Master. These two motherboards are part of the AMD AM5 platform, which is expected to bring a lot of exciting features and improvements over its predecessor, AM4.

The Aorus X670 Elite AX is one of the higher-end motherboards available in the market, with a price tag that's quite steep at around $350. However, considering its feature set, I think it's well worth the investment. One of the standout features of this motherboard is its HDMI output, which is a rare sight on most motherboards these days. Additionally, it has two USB 2 ports and four USB 5 gigabit ports, making it suitable for peripherals. The motherboard also supports flashing the BIOS from a USB stick with a button, which is convenient.

On the other hand, the B650E Auris Master is one of the more affordable options available in the market, priced around $289. While it may not have all the bells and whistles of its more expensive counterpart, it still offers a lot of value for its price. One of the notable features of this motherboard is its Intel Nic (2.5 gigabit) support, which is not present on the X670 Elite AX. Additionally, it has PCI Express 5 capabilities, making it suitable for high-end GPUs.

One thing that's noticeable about both these motherboards is their layout, which is quite similar to each other. However, there are some subtle differences, particularly in terms of PCI Express 5 and M.2 connectivity options. The X670 Elite AX has more PCI Express 5 capabilities, making it a better choice for those who plan to use high-end GPUs.

It's worth noting that the AM5 platform is expected to have a similar level of longevity as its predecessor, AM4. In fact, some experts believe that AM5 will be even more feature-rich and capable than AM4. This means that investing in a higher-end motherboard like the Aorus X670 Elite AX may pay off in the long run, with improved features and capabilities over time.

Another interesting aspect of both these motherboards is their approach to USB ports. The B650E Auris Master has two USBC alt mode ports, which can be used for display output or other purposes. However, the Aorus X670 Elite AX only has one such port, although it does have more standard USB 2 and USB 5 gigabit ports.

For those who are interested in buying an AM5 motherboard but don't want to break the bank, there's a strategy that might make sense. Buying one of the lower-cost motherboards like the B650E Auris Master and then upgrading to something better when the new features and technologies become available. This approach can be cost-effective and ensure that you get the latest features and capabilities without overspending.

In conclusion, both the Aorus X670 Elite AX and the B650E Auris Master are well-designed motherboards that offer a lot of value for their price. While they have some differences, they share many similarities in terms of feature set and layout. For those who want to take advantage of the latest features and capabilities of the AM5 platform, investing in one of these motherboards might be a good option.

If you're interested in learning more about these motherboards or would like to see them used in a build, please let me know. I've got some Linux work coming up that I'll need to get done soon, and building something with these motherboard would be a great way to test them out. Additionally, if you have any questions or would like to discuss the pros and cons of each motherboard, feel free to reach out to me in the Level One forums.

In the meantime, I'll be signing off.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enoh my gosh just what is up with these motherboard costs am5 has launched you can get 16 cores and monster single core performance monster multi-core performance actually Best in Class multi-core performance for the whole platform but the motherboard stuff has got people all turned upside down and discombobulated I'm here to take a look at the x670 RS Elite ax and the b650 auris master from gigabyte both of these motherboards I picked up locally and these motherboards I think have the best am5 pcie layout that I've seen we're going to talk about these two we're also going to talk a little bit about the x670e auris master and why the am5 pricing maybe gets a bad rep okay so the x670e auris master that one a new egg that's like five or six hundred dollars or just you know street price MSRP it is a lot of money and if you look at the x670 Oracle ax or even the b650 Oris Master but if we look at if we look at this one this is a 289 motherboard at the time that I'm shooting this video this is significantly less expensive and you really don't give up a lot this motherboard actually does have PCI Express 5 m.2 a lot of the time the non-em motherboards you probably already clued into that e is pci5 no ease no pc85 this is x670 there's no e but it still includes a PC Express 5 m.2 which are the only piece Express five devices that you can really get right now so you're kind of buying the future and as it turns out most buyers don't really want to buy Pizza Express 5 because of the increased cost okay here's this motherboard the 200 more expensive counterpart really doesn't give you a lot else if you side by side of these motherboards I mean this is a 16 plus two plus two phase vrm and blah blah blah and you know this is the aorus elite and the elite is historically a little bit lower end than the master it's like okay well what about the b650e Oris Master instead of the x670e Oris Master again this is a better choice this is more expensive than the non-e and this gives you PCI Express 5 a lot more PCI Express 5 as a matter of fact two m.2s plus your x16 slot for your GPU which can then be split into X8 and two more PCI Express 5m.2 this is one of the few motherboards that will give you four PCI Express 5 m.2 right on the board although I don't recommend AMD raid we'll talk about that in a minute this motherboard is only 349. so again still significantly less expensive than the pure PCI Express 5 counterpart I don't I don't think the x670e chipset is really bringing a lot to the value proposition category or even a something to get super excited about the way that a motherboard makers have it configured that said pcie slots everybody wants more pcie slots when we've got giant four slot gpus it's hard to even access those pcie slots they pretty much belong at the bottom of the motherboard from a wiring standpoint this is really challenging because you're going to need redrivers or repeaters or something like that and that drives the board cost up so both of these actually have two physical x16 slots at the bottom of the board now one of them is by four electrical through the chipset PC Express 4.0 and the other one is PCI Express 3.0 by 2 through the chipset which is actually more useful than it sounds like also I think gigabytes design makes a little bit of lemonade from lemons the lemons of pcie layout that is in that they give you four m.2 slots on board that is kind of class leading here even our Plucky little x670 Oris Elite ax the two of the m.2s go directly to the CPU they're configured for PC Express 4.0 all right cool that's great and then there are two more PCI Express 4.0 that go through the chipset so you don't give anything up here it's always going to run at x16 whereas our b650e if you use all four of them you're G GPU is going to run at PCI Express by eight it's going to give up eight Lanes yeah you also have to be a little bit careful if you do want to use all four m.2 slots on the x670 or it's elite ax because one of the m.2s will drop your uh pcie slot for your graphics down to X8 one goes through the chipset and the other two go directly into the CPU it's kind of an odd choice but okay both of these have 2.5 gigabit Lan this is the Intel 2.5 gigabit solution this is the Realtek 2.5 gigabit solution both of them have 802.11ax Wi-Fi 6E but it's the AMD chipset which is pretty good actually as it turns out another one of these motherboards really tell you on the box what the ddr5 speed is which I think is a little bit of a mistake I was able to get ddr5 6400 running on our aorus master and ddr5 6200 running on our aorus Elite ax and that could be down to the CPUs of the different configurations that I have 6400 was almost stable but not quite uh with the rsle ax and again that may be down to the CPU The Sweet Spot for am5 CPUs is ddr5 6000 and that gives you the optimal ratios between your Infinity Fabric and your CPU internals and the actual memory so you want to probably run ddr5 6000 I was using our g-skill oh where's my box where's my juice scale box and for memory testing we were using our GCL Trident Z5 Neo now in terms of power delivery and everything like that these motherboards are Overkill even for the 16 chords the 7950x you aren't going to have any trouble and you can even run a knock to a tower cooler with that 7950x if you put a better cooler on it you will get like one percent ish better performance but this cooler was more than adequate even for the 7950x most of the heavy lifting of this power supply are the Dual AF fans that the one the 120 millimeter Nokia AF fans these are the newer style nacho fans they move a lot of air as a practical matter it works well a larger Tower cooler like the D15 will also work really well I've had good luck with some other Tower coolers um it can be the am5 platform can be a little sensitive to how your cooler is mounted so make sure that you have adequate thermal paste and that coverage is good especially where the hot spots are which are your two chiplets so keep that in mind both of these have a Realtek ALC 1220 audio codec however this one also implements an ESS saber audio DAC on our our b650e RS Master it's a nice touch it's a it's a nice quality of life Improvement however both of them only have a limited analog out selection at the rear i o our aorus Elite ax has three analog ports and our aorus master has Optical spdif and two analog ports that you can use for you know speakers microphone whatever it's reconfigurable in software you can use those in a combination of your front panel connections if you need more analog connectivity but generally this is enough for everybody I don't know why this generation has moved away so completely from 7.1 audio I guess it's just because everybody uses headphones now and they don't have a 7.1 Headphone set you're able to sort of do the surround sound thing directly in the audio like you can make it sound like somebody's behind you just with two audio channels so I guess that makes sense now I should say that the PCI Express slot at the bottom it's only two lanes wide it's PCI Express 4.0 by two lanes on the b650e RS Master but in the grand scheme of things I don't think that really makes a huge difference now in terms of configurability and bios features and bios options gigabyte really gives you a lot that you can tune and and tweak in the Bios which is very nice I also noticed that gigabyte has really amped up their software packages this time they have new RGB software and they have new fan control software unfortunately I don't recommend that you use it it's really not very good you can control your fan profiles and your RGB directly from bios that works pretty well the windows Control software not super good if you're using Linux as a base and you want to you know configure these for Linux these can work pretty well with Linux just keep in mind that your physical pcie slots come from the chipset not directly from the CPU it's if you're doing the iommu GPU passthrough thing it can be more useful because those direct CPU Lanes tend to automatically break out into iommu groups you just have to turn Island mu on a couple other things in BIOS you're good to go where these slots go through the chipset you'll probably be better off using ACS patch but this may be something that we cover over on the level one Linux Channel with a little bit other different info now let's also talk for a second about the raid features you can turn on AMD raid and I have done in the past videos on enabling amb raid what do you want to do with Andy raid you could do a RAID 0 a stripe to make your ssds go faster you could do a raid one you know for mirroring and redundancy you could do other configurations the reality is that the software and development on the AMD raid driver really hasn't kept up with the state of the art the with things like our mushkin Vortex two terabyte SSD you know this is a this is an affordable 2280 two terabyte SSD it's fast it's not the fastest it's not the slowest but it's really really fast if you get a bunch of these or even just two of these it'll be a little bit hamstrung in RAID Mode versus native Windows 11 mode because things have improved believe it or not in Windows 11. if you've got something even higher in like the highest end SSD that you can get right now that's not you know that's generally available and not an Enterprise SSD it's probably the Samsung 990 and it just barely became available and the Samsung 990 is going to run circles around its counterpart under an AMD raid configuration I'm sorry to say but that's just the way that it is oh and for any haters in the audience Intel's platform is not dramatically better the the rst stuff had a lot of promise but it's really not a lot better there either I'm really hoping for better operating system fixes and if you run Linux it was always the best choice to use either Linux MD or ZFS or btrfs or something the support it's multiple block devices and both of these platforms are incredible for supporting a whole bunch of m.2 devices for storage in raid 1. the one possible exception where maybe maybe AMD raid would make sense is if you wanted to do a raid one for Mirror you didn't really care about the performance trade-off and you just wanted to mirror your information in case an SSD dies I would humbly suggest that you're better off to set up your machine for nightly backup snapshots with the native driver then to try to set up that and deal with that it will be less headache but that's just one computer janitor's opinion so your mileage may vary some other notes about the rear i o on both of these motherboards it's just HDMI out there's no USBC alt mode there's some more higher end you know like that x670e Oris Master motherboard I keep talking about it does have another USBC port with DisplayPort alt mode but in terms of like the type and number of USB ports it's pretty similar between these two motherboards there are four USB 2 ports which is useful for peripherals then there's four USB 5 gigabit ports two sets of 10 gigabit ports on this motherboard whereas there's only one set of 10 gigabit ports on this and of course our USBC ports are 20 gigabit two by two that's the same between both of these both of them support flashing the BIOS from a USB stick with a button even our lesser expensive motherboard just has a single button for that but you can also clear the CMOS on top of that with our more expensive auris master I mean it kind of makes sense if you look at the motherboard layout it's basically the Spider-Man meme where they're pointing at each other although there are some differences there's not a huge number of differences really it's just PCI Express 5 and where the m.2s connect if they go directly into the CPU via Lanes intended for the graphics card or via something else all right that's been a quick look at the aorus x670 elite ax and the b650e auris master these are two motherboards that I would actually buy with my own money there's about 350 at the time that I'm doing this and this one's about 289 give or take it's time that I'm shooting this video a 289 you really don't give up a lot it is nice that you should get the Intel Nick a little bit higher in 2.5 gigabit Nick on the b650e and of course having more PCI Express 5 capabilities and PCI Express 5 GPU capability for you know a little less than a hundred dollars more it's not bad it's pretty good but you really don't give up a lot with the x670e there is probably some wisdom in if you want to go am5 get the cheapest motherboards you possibly can because it's not going to hurt your CPU and then when the new stuff comes out in six months a year whatever then you can upgrade to something else a new motherboard and you'll have all kinds of new features and that sort of thing because if you look back at am4 from x370 to x470 that was a pretty big upgrade and the next 470 to x570 that was an even bigger upgrade so it is nice to get the platform updates and refreshes even though am4 had a lot of longevity it's shaping up to look like am5 is going to have that same longevity so if you do invest in a better am5 motherboard you'll probably be able to get at least a couple more CPU Generations out of it but again you know in the hand is worth two in the bush I don't know I'm one of this level one it's been a quick look at these am5 motherboards from gigabyte if there are any other motherboards you're curious about or ones that I haven't covered let me know because I've covered a lot of am5 motherboards at this point check those other reviews out on the channel to see if you can find one that's you know the right combination of features and price point and everything else I wanted to cover these specifically like I say because I think gigabyte has got the best pcie layout for people that have a lot of pcie devices where a lot in this case is an admittedly fairly anemic three but hey the other layouts are worse so this is comparatively good right most people don't really have a lot of pcie devices I'm the exception a couple of you that are still watching are the exception but hey we've got a club we'll get together we'll figure it out there'll be some really cool am5 motherboards coming they're just you know not launch day motherboards and it was also kind of weird that motherboard Partners didn't really seed any of the lower cost motherboards into the market a couple of them did but you know gigabyte Asus MSI haven't really heard anything other than about their highest end Flagship motherboards and so I I think some of these uh middle the road lower middle of the road motherboards I think are a lot smarter by anyway that's enough of that I'm one of those level one I'm signing out you find me in the level one forums let me know what questions you have or what kind of a build you'd like to see with these I've got some Linux work to do coming up so these are going to be pretty interesting all right I'm signing out I'll see you there thank youoh my gosh just what is up with these motherboard costs am5 has launched you can get 16 cores and monster single core performance monster multi-core performance actually Best in Class multi-core performance for the whole platform but the motherboard stuff has got people all turned upside down and discombobulated I'm here to take a look at the x670 RS Elite ax and the b650 auris master from gigabyte both of these motherboards I picked up locally and these motherboards I think have the best am5 pcie layout that I've seen we're going to talk about these two we're also going to talk a little bit about the x670e auris master and why the am5 pricing maybe gets a bad rep okay so the x670e auris master that one a new egg that's like five or six hundred dollars or just you know street price MSRP it is a lot of money and if you look at the x670 Oracle ax or even the b650 Oris Master but if we look at if we look at this one this is a 289 motherboard at the time that I'm shooting this video this is significantly less expensive and you really don't give up a lot this motherboard actually does have PCI Express 5 m.2 a lot of the time the non-em motherboards you probably already clued into that e is pci5 no ease no pc85 this is x670 there's no e but it still includes a PC Express 5 m.2 which are the only piece Express five devices that you can really get right now so you're kind of buying the future and as it turns out most buyers don't really want to buy Pizza Express 5 because of the increased cost okay here's this motherboard the 200 more expensive counterpart really doesn't give you a lot else if you side by side of these motherboards I mean this is a 16 plus two plus two phase vrm and blah blah blah and you know this is the aorus elite and the elite is historically a little bit lower end than the master it's like okay well what about the b650e Oris Master instead of the x670e Oris Master again this is a better choice this is more expensive than the non-e and this gives you PCI Express 5 a lot more PCI Express 5 as a matter of fact two m.2s plus your x16 slot for your GPU which can then be split into X8 and two more PCI Express 5m.2 this is one of the few motherboards that will give you four PCI Express 5 m.2 right on the board although I don't recommend AMD raid we'll talk about that in a minute this motherboard is only 349. so again still significantly less expensive than the pure PCI Express 5 counterpart I don't I don't think the x670e chipset is really bringing a lot to the value proposition category or even a something to get super excited about the way that a motherboard makers have it configured that said pcie slots everybody wants more pcie slots when we've got giant four slot gpus it's hard to even access those pcie slots they pretty much belong at the bottom of the motherboard from a wiring standpoint this is really challenging because you're going to need redrivers or repeaters or something like that and that drives the board cost up so both of these actually have two physical x16 slots at the bottom of the board now one of them is by four electrical through the chipset PC Express 4.0 and the other one is PCI Express 3.0 by 2 through the chipset which is actually more useful than it sounds like also I think gigabytes design makes a little bit of lemonade from lemons the lemons of pcie layout that is in that they give you four m.2 slots on board that is kind of class leading here even our Plucky little x670 Oris Elite ax the two of the m.2s go directly to the CPU they're configured for PC Express 4.0 all right cool that's great and then there are two more PCI Express 4.0 that go through the chipset so you don't give anything up here it's always going to run at x16 whereas our b650e if you use all four of them you're G GPU is going to run at PCI Express by eight it's going to give up eight Lanes yeah you also have to be a little bit careful if you do want to use all four m.2 slots on the x670 or it's elite ax because one of the m.2s will drop your uh pcie slot for your graphics down to X8 one goes through the chipset and the other two go directly into the CPU it's kind of an odd choice but okay both of these have 2.5 gigabit Lan this is the Intel 2.5 gigabit solution this is the Realtek 2.5 gigabit solution both of them have 802.11ax Wi-Fi 6E but it's the AMD chipset which is pretty good actually as it turns out another one of these motherboards really tell you on the box what the ddr5 speed is which I think is a little bit of a mistake I was able to get ddr5 6400 running on our aorus master and ddr5 6200 running on our aorus Elite ax and that could be down to the CPUs of the different configurations that I have 6400 was almost stable but not quite uh with the rsle ax and again that may be down to the CPU The Sweet Spot for am5 CPUs is ddr5 6000 and that gives you the optimal ratios between your Infinity Fabric and your CPU internals and the actual memory so you want to probably run ddr5 6000 I was using our g-skill oh where's my box where's my juice scale box and for memory testing we were using our GCL Trident Z5 Neo now in terms of power delivery and everything like that these motherboards are Overkill even for the 16 chords the 7950x you aren't going to have any trouble and you can even run a knock to a tower cooler with that 7950x if you put a better cooler on it you will get like one percent ish better performance but this cooler was more than adequate even for the 7950x most of the heavy lifting of this power supply are the Dual AF fans that the one the 120 millimeter Nokia AF fans these are the newer style nacho fans they move a lot of air as a practical matter it works well a larger Tower cooler like the D15 will also work really well I've had good luck with some other Tower coolers um it can be the am5 platform can be a little sensitive to how your cooler is mounted so make sure that you have adequate thermal paste and that coverage is good especially where the hot spots are which are your two chiplets so keep that in mind both of these have a Realtek ALC 1220 audio codec however this one also implements an ESS saber audio DAC on our our b650e RS Master it's a nice touch it's a it's a nice quality of life Improvement however both of them only have a limited analog out selection at the rear i o our aorus Elite ax has three analog ports and our aorus master has Optical spdif and two analog ports that you can use for you know speakers microphone whatever it's reconfigurable in software you can use those in a combination of your front panel connections if you need more analog connectivity but generally this is enough for everybody I don't know why this generation has moved away so completely from 7.1 audio I guess it's just because everybody uses headphones now and they don't have a 7.1 Headphone set you're able to sort of do the surround sound thing directly in the audio like you can make it sound like somebody's behind you just with two audio channels so I guess that makes sense now I should say that the PCI Express slot at the bottom it's only two lanes wide it's PCI Express 4.0 by two lanes on the b650e RS Master but in the grand scheme of things I don't think that really makes a huge difference now in terms of configurability and bios features and bios options gigabyte really gives you a lot that you can tune and and tweak in the Bios which is very nice I also noticed that gigabyte has really amped up their software packages this time they have new RGB software and they have new fan control software unfortunately I don't recommend that you use it it's really not very good you can control your fan profiles and your RGB directly from bios that works pretty well the windows Control software not super good if you're using Linux as a base and you want to you know configure these for Linux these can work pretty well with Linux just keep in mind that your physical pcie slots come from the chipset not directly from the CPU it's if you're doing the iommu GPU passthrough thing it can be more useful because those direct CPU Lanes tend to automatically break out into iommu groups you just have to turn Island mu on a couple other things in BIOS you're good to go where these slots go through the chipset you'll probably be better off using ACS patch but this may be something that we cover over on the level one Linux Channel with a little bit other different info now let's also talk for a second about the raid features you can turn on AMD raid and I have done in the past videos on enabling amb raid what do you want to do with Andy raid you could do a RAID 0 a stripe to make your ssds go faster you could do a raid one you know for mirroring and redundancy you could do other configurations the reality is that the software and development on the AMD raid driver really hasn't kept up with the state of the art the with things like our mushkin Vortex two terabyte SSD you know this is a this is an affordable 2280 two terabyte SSD it's fast it's not the fastest it's not the slowest but it's really really fast if you get a bunch of these or even just two of these it'll be a little bit hamstrung in RAID Mode versus native Windows 11 mode because things have improved believe it or not in Windows 11. if you've got something even higher in like the highest end SSD that you can get right now that's not you know that's generally available and not an Enterprise SSD it's probably the Samsung 990 and it just barely became available and the Samsung 990 is going to run circles around its counterpart under an AMD raid configuration I'm sorry to say but that's just the way that it is oh and for any haters in the audience Intel's platform is not dramatically better the the rst stuff had a lot of promise but it's really not a lot better there either I'm really hoping for better operating system fixes and if you run Linux it was always the best choice to use either Linux MD or ZFS or btrfs or something the support it's multiple block devices and both of these platforms are incredible for supporting a whole bunch of m.2 devices for storage in raid 1. the one possible exception where maybe maybe AMD raid would make sense is if you wanted to do a raid one for Mirror you didn't really care about the performance trade-off and you just wanted to mirror your information in case an SSD dies I would humbly suggest that you're better off to set up your machine for nightly backup snapshots with the native driver then to try to set up that and deal with that it will be less headache but that's just one computer janitor's opinion so your mileage may vary some other notes about the rear i o on both of these motherboards it's just HDMI out there's no USBC alt mode there's some more higher end you know like that x670e Oris Master motherboard I keep talking about it does have another USBC port with DisplayPort alt mode but in terms of like the type and number of USB ports it's pretty similar between these two motherboards there are four USB 2 ports which is useful for peripherals then there's four USB 5 gigabit ports two sets of 10 gigabit ports on this motherboard whereas there's only one set of 10 gigabit ports on this and of course our USBC ports are 20 gigabit two by two that's the same between both of these both of them support flashing the BIOS from a USB stick with a button even our lesser expensive motherboard just has a single button for that but you can also clear the CMOS on top of that with our more expensive auris master I mean it kind of makes sense if you look at the motherboard layout it's basically the Spider-Man meme where they're pointing at each other although there are some differences there's not a huge number of differences really it's just PCI Express 5 and where the m.2s connect if they go directly into the CPU via Lanes intended for the graphics card or via something else all right that's been a quick look at the aorus x670 elite ax and the b650e auris master these are two motherboards that I would actually buy with my own money there's about 350 at the time that I'm doing this and this one's about 289 give or take it's time that I'm shooting this video a 289 you really don't give up a lot it is nice that you should get the Intel Nick a little bit higher in 2.5 gigabit Nick on the b650e and of course having more PCI Express 5 capabilities and PCI Express 5 GPU capability for you know a little less than a hundred dollars more it's not bad it's pretty good but you really don't give up a lot with the x670e there is probably some wisdom in if you want to go am5 get the cheapest motherboards you possibly can because it's not going to hurt your CPU and then when the new stuff comes out in six months a year whatever then you can upgrade to something else a new motherboard and you'll have all kinds of new features and that sort of thing because if you look back at am4 from x370 to x470 that was a pretty big upgrade and the next 470 to x570 that was an even bigger upgrade so it is nice to get the platform updates and refreshes even though am4 had a lot of longevity it's shaping up to look like am5 is going to have that same longevity so if you do invest in a better am5 motherboard you'll probably be able to get at least a couple more CPU Generations out of it but again you know in the hand is worth two in the bush I don't know I'm one of this level one it's been a quick look at these am5 motherboards from gigabyte if there are any other motherboards you're curious about or ones that I haven't covered let me know because I've covered a lot of am5 motherboards at this point check those other reviews out on the channel to see if you can find one that's you know the right combination of features and price point and everything else I wanted to cover these specifically like I say because I think gigabyte has got the best pcie layout for people that have a lot of pcie devices where a lot in this case is an admittedly fairly anemic three but hey the other layouts are worse so this is comparatively good right most people don't really have a lot of pcie devices I'm the exception a couple of you that are still watching are the exception but hey we've got a club we'll get together we'll figure it out there'll be some really cool am5 motherboards coming they're just you know not launch day motherboards and it was also kind of weird that motherboard Partners didn't really seed any of the lower cost motherboards into the market a couple of them did but you know gigabyte Asus MSI haven't really heard anything other than about their highest end Flagship motherboards and so I I think some of these uh middle the road lower middle of the road motherboards I think are a lot smarter by anyway that's enough of that I'm one of those level one I'm signing out you find me in the level one forums let me know what questions you have or what kind of a build you'd like to see with these I've got some Linux work to do coming up so these are going to be pretty interesting all right I'm signing out I'll see you there thank you\n"