**Apple Releases Third Developer Betas for iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and watchOS**

Apple has released third developer betas for its operating systems, including iOS 13.2, iPadOS 13.2, tvOS 13.2, and watchOS 6.1. The updates bring several changes and improvements to each platform.

**Opting into Anonymized Voice Recordings of Siri**

One notable change in the latest betas is the ability to opt-in to anonymized voice recordings of Siri's responses that are submitted for review. This feature aims to improve Siri's virtual assistance accuracy by allowing Apple to analyze user interactions and make improvements accordingly.

**New Emoji, Camera App Changes, and Rearranging Apps**

The updates also bring new emojis, changes to the camera app, and a long-awaited feature: the ability to delete apps by pressing and holding on an app icon. In iOS 13.0 and 13.1, users could only rearrange their home screen apps without deleting them. This change allows for more flexibility and customization.

**Code Suggests Noise Cancellation in Future AirPods**

There is also code hinting at the possibility of noise cancellation in future AirPods models. While this feature has been rumored before, its implementation remains speculative at this point.

**Using Dual Screens with Luna Display**

Luna Display, a company that previously developed similar sidecar technology, has released an update that allows users to use their iPad as a second screen or extension to their desktop Macs. This solution can be used with older Macs, including those running Mountain Lion (released in 2012). According to tests, Luna Display's solution works well and may even surpass Apple's sidecar feature in some cases.

**A New Way to Use Older Macs**

The idea of using an older Mac as a secondary screen is particularly appealing for users who have upgraded their devices but still want to utilize their old hardware. This can help reduce electronic waste and give users more flexibility in their workflow. Luna Display's solution makes this possible, and it's an exciting development that may change the way we interact with our devices.

**Conclusion**

The latest developer betas bring several updates and improvements to Apple's operating systems. While some features are still in testing, others have been refined for release. The addition of Luna Display's dual-screen solution is particularly noteworthy, offering a new way to repurpose older Macs and expand the capabilities of their screens.

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you bought a Samsung I have not but I was going to talk about the Apple TV app becoming compatible with Roku set top boxes oh okay yeah yeah that's um inconceivable no no hang on so that's Apple TV software running on Roku or is it plugging another box is the Apple TV app available via the Roku Channel store to discover and watch movies TV shows iTunes video library content and subscribe to Apple TV channels directly on Roku devices well I can't imagine why they brought that out two weeks ahead of the launch of Apple TV plus it's just un funny that you mentioned that Roku is also confirmed that Apple TV plus will be available on the Roku platform okay I'm I'm gasping yeah I'm not going to rush out and buy a Roku uh box but that's cuz I've seen what they look like um are you a roko Roku fan not I have I have owned some of their products in the past in fact I own the original one from way back before there was such thing as an Apple TV but um no actually I think the Apple TV might have been first but in any case I have the first both those things but in addition to the United States the Apple TV app is available to Roku users in Argentina Canada Chile Colombia Costa Rica El Salvador France Guatemala Honduras Mexico Nicaragua Panama Peru the Republic of Ireland and some other Backwater country we're not trying to pad out this episode at all I just wanted to name every single country that mattered and then also the United Kingdom okay oh all right thanks r that in you're welcome okay but thank you for doing it in alphabetic LA the UK at least lends itself to coming at the end of lists uh alphabetically as punch lines so you know we thought ahead well done hang on us is after the UK D in priority order so with the Apple TV coming to Roku roku's customers are going to enjoy your even broader range of exciting entertainment including the highly anticipated Apple TV plus service I agree with that statement that was uh that was their general manager of platform business Scott Rosenberg so Roku is a valuable partner for Content providers looking to reach a large and engaged audience and they're happy to bring this option to Roku users basically you add this channel the same way you would to any other Roku device you press the home button on your Rog remote you scroll up or down and select streaming store channels or open the channel store you search the channels you start typing Apple TV and it should pop up it's funny when you start listing steps like that it no matter what you're talking about it always sounds really involved and you know it's quicker to do 10 seconds I mean you press the home button yes we know go to the streaming channels or open the channel store yep search channels okay right none of this is incredibly complex and it shouldn't be and step five never look back well so I think that's what there there are a number of compatible devices and I think it's interesting to note that you know the devices you'd expect right Roku Express Express plus the Streaming Stick the Streaming Stick plus the premiere plus the ultra right all of those things sound good but Roku 2 seems to be supported and that's pretty far back and also there are smart sound barss which are supported which I think is pretty cool Sor sambar is supporting Apple TV well think of it like this imagine you had an Apple TV that also had speakers on built into it what an amazing way to listen to the new c yeah very good one well done um C of course being the drama about unsighted people but uh yeah my version would be a lot cheaper than Apple's but to produce for sure but yeah so if you had a speaker that also was an Apple TV or an Apple TV that also had speakers built into it and had an HDMI output that could then connect to a display that's kind of what this Roku Soundbar is it's a soundbar that also has HDMI output to play the video onto a TV sounds good kind of convenient remember when we plugged our TV set into the homepod to see what it sounded like strictly com dancing sounded so much richer you didn't plug the TV into the homepod though because the homepod doesn't have plugs oh do you only have the old version you are terrible you are awful so Roku basically Roku happy let's talk about Netflix Netflix okay sent a letter to their investors and said that they're happy they said new entrance into the streaming space including Apple TV plus will help accelerate what it believes will be an inevitable shift away from traditional linear television they're saying competition is nothing new they've had Amazon Hulu and YouTube vying for attention for more than a decade this doesn't matter in our view Apple TV is going to be Apple TV plus is going to be great that that they're well suited to take on newcomers like this um this is Netflix's version of Welcome IBM seriously isn't it pretty much okay although what else would they do you you know that every time companies have sent out things like that in the background it means they're taking this very seriously right if we read between the lines and and you know in our view the likely outcome from the launch of these services will be to accelerate the shift from linear TV to demand consumption of entertainment Netflix said right what's what's reading between the lines on that in our view yeah it's getting rid of linear television but it's not coming to us necessarily you know they they say no upstart delivers the same level of diversity and quality offered through its catalog well you say that but Disney plus has the Disney Vault which they have used to great success in the past right you know they they used to run telec commercials saying we're opening the Disney Vault and we're releasing for a limited time only this version of sleeping Beauty and then we'll close the Vault and put it away and you won't be able to get it again and so they've sold VHS tapes based on this and they've sold DVDs based on this and then they've sold Blu-rays based on this and every time they do it it's a big thing for them and so now they're going to put them on streaming service you think which is obviously big but it also means they can't do this Vault thing anymore well they can a little bit they can when something's going to be available and not so they can make it available on their streaming service for a limited time only should they choose did you watch the three-hour Montage promo on YouTube I did not no no no no nor did I no of course not just an hour yeah that's right so these services including uh peacock NBC's and HBO Max uh all have great titles Netflix says but none have the variety diversity and quality of the original program that we're producing around the world they said um I am unconvinced I know they're positioning themselves that way but I am I am unconvinced now of course Netflix beat Wall Street expectations for their most recent quarter they uh they pulled in 1.47 against estimat of 1.04 in ter of of earnings per share so they did they did better than they had said um but revenues of 5 .4 5.24 billion did not meet expectations of 5.25 billion and subscriptions fell they they've got 517,000 domestic subscriptions additions and that was they were expecting to grow by 82,000 instead H that's quite a difference yeah Apple TV plus is said to launch November 1st for $4.99 a month although people who are like me and purchased a fantastically cool iPhone 11 or qualifying Hardware like an iPad or iPod or something like that are going to enjoy one free year of service I'm wondering what happens next year when you buy the next phone but that's another thing okay I you know that's a good question I would like for them to start doing this if you buy the phone you get the service kind of thing rolled in cuz they're they're not I mean well they're going to count the income from it they're also going to be um talking about number of subscribers at it that's the metric that that gets used here right and so if they just go ahead and Grant that for free to people who buy the hardware then they can boost their subscriber numbers Yeah by a considerable amount right and and of course there's some of that been going on already carriers for example have deals to give away Apple music subscriptions if you have this plan right if you have if you have T-Mobile they do it with no cost on the data streaming if you have Verizon depending on the plan that you get you can have free Apple music for the year so it makes sense to have these kinds of things in place yeah sorry my mind just went back a second there to fact that it sounds to me as if Disney plus is a remarkable offering but of course I'm in the UK and we're just about the only country that isn't getting it for some reason well I say that it's because of the deals they've already got between sky and Disney plus is Disney plus a remarkable offering well there are some great properties that Disney owns Disney owns the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the exception of Spider-Man cuz Sony Disney Disney owns Lucas film so all of Star Wars good right Disney Disney has a ton of cool things going on there including all the Disney classic Library what else does Disney have uh don't they have ABC television and Touchstone Productions bers of things I like like um Aaron sain Sports night and various things um no I'm not sure imagine I think the other thing is that there was a long period where Disney had things that weren't that great you know Disney was was suffering before Pixar came back and did the deal to distribute through Disney and then later it purchased by Disney and you know there there were there were some great movies like U Little Mermaid and um alas and then there were some direct video movies like Little Mermaid 2 and Little Mermaid 3 and Little Mermaid 4 and you know other things that weren't successful like Hercules right there there's a whole period of Disney stuff that was pretty bad uh and and before those things that sort of spawned a Resurgence in in Disney in the let's say '90s there were a bunch of liveaction movies that were not good in the 70s um and so all of that stuff is a part of Disney's catalog that could be on Disney plus so they could have a ton of terrible stuff and a little bit of good stuff yeah but there's some Dreadful films I want to see again the world's greatest athlete I think it was called I seem to remember enjoying that when I was very very little I want to see how bad it really was is that just rotten it is okay I mean return to which mountain return from Witch Mountain and Escape to Witch mountains right oh I tell you I I'd forgotten about those I I I had an age appropriate crush on um tier inim Richards Escape to Witch Mountain yeah I don't think I saw the sequel actually but yeah good God that oh and I can't have it thanks for you know bringing that and uh pulling it away yep yeah yeah okay give me a moment I'll be okay okay trying to work out how old I was when I saw that film okay anyway so okay but the thing is still Disney has uh this instant giant catalog Apple uh very much does not building a catalog U yeah but they're not acquiring anything it's going to be a slow thing I was very pleased by the uh news that Apple was giving second season orders uh to things before shows have started airing um yeah cuz they' got to and it just well and they know what they have faith in confidence yeah but you never know nobody ever knows until something airs so they could the morning show could still bomb and I mean I don't think it will but it everything can so it's always a risky investment um television's insane like that yeah but you know they they understand these things in terms of just as much as they understand products right and and whether or not a product bomb before they launch it and no they really really do not you cannot determine whether something is even likely to be I mean you can put money behind it you can bet but the most huge things have died a death how many shows get in sep allow me to to just speak for one moment on this and and let me explain my position because I know that you as a writer and as a as a person who's worked in radio and television have have a perspective but let me let me explain this when Apple designs a product a hardware product let's say they understand that they are trying to solve a problem that people have and it may not be a problem that people are aware that they have until they say here's a solution and people go oh yeah I deal with that every day and it sucks and and visual voicemail is one of those kinds of things right when I had when I had the saw the first iPhone keynote I knew immediately that's why I wanted this phone and for other people there were other reasons but that was very apparent to me right and when Apple talks about talked about iMovie you know iMovie for them solved a technical problem which is hard drives are growing and we need to figure out how we're going to fill hard drives so we can for sell computers with bigger hard drives for more money and from the user perspective what the answer was was we're going to go ahead and create this thing so that instead of having your home movies on film or on videotapes that you never watch you'll be able to edit them out and it'll be a crap removal tool and you can go ahead and make your home movies watchable and then idvd will help you burn them and distribute them and ioto will manage your photo libraries and and it'll be your digital life right they were solving problems that people weren't even necessarily sure that they needed solved until they saw them and went oh yeah that's me and with entertainment it's not exactly a problem problem is Dickinson supposed to solve but it's well and for how many people is Dickinson supposed to solve it what problem have I got that I don't know I'm very much looking forward to modern language period piece with that's not historically based on anything at all um solve well if you like period pieces and you want something that's easily digestible that's kind of fluff without having to think too hard and yet might be fun well we C let's be careful to in uh I don't know what problem cuton candy has maned to solve in my life I well it's it's fast simple sugar and delight and it's like clouds on your tongue that's cotton candy it's fun and meaningless and completely without any nutritional value and I think Dickinson is about the same problem so what problem is it supposed to solve it's pleasure it's pleasurable that's it and people need pleasure in their lives how does that compare to ability to record home movies and edited which is an an activity providing pleasure as the result yes making it easy to make things watchable and make them enjoyable again not quite the same level each one of shows going to Sol more than For All Mankind how do I look at those two shows and decide that one's going to be the hit because that one solves a problem who is the audience for that who has that whole their lives that needs to be filled by that 40-minute segment of video who's going to take pleasure from that and how exactly do you expect Apple to know that and how exactly do you account for Gigantic films failing why were the Star Wars prequels so badly received uh when everything about them is exactly what everybody wanted no no no no they they well first of all because they didn't succeed we can draw the conclusion that they were not exactly what everyone wanted second of all they they fail the prequels failed because they spent more time on artificial characters and and things like that and changing the mythology of the the way that the force worked the way that the characters let go back to the first it basically broke people's impress what problem did that solve that solved the the problem that in the 70s cowboy movies were pretty much kind of gone and you needed an epic story and there were no epic stories back at that being produced at that time so this was a fun cowboy movie in space adventure and it filled that missing Adventure Gap that why didn't 20th Century Fox think we've got it this is what we needed there's a problem this will solve it and instead they were pretty desperately trying to uh get save themselves from potential losses nobody knows which is some we do know that that until the the last edits were made on it that movie was in in great danger of not telling the story well it was it was falling apart in shooting and Lucas was was having nightmares and Spielberg was trying to help him figure it out and it was Lucas's wife who edited the thing back into a sensible story well there were three editors but Marcy Lucas was absolutely fundamental to it yes except I don't understand uh you're saying uh in advance people knew there was going to be a problem that this film would solve and then they solved it and no they don't they don't know that you canot it's not quite as smooth as all that but but obviously they accepted the pitch yes and then found the budget and they were committed to it and we're talking specifically about Fox but why didn't Paramount take it originally or Universal uh why was Fox the only firm because because there's a great hesitance there's a great great hesitance both in product and in film where there are people who want to only do the thing that's already been done and proved Successful by someone else and maybe do it a slightly bit different or a slightly bit better right there let me let me say this when Inception came out years ago Inception was a fantastic film it was and it was in many ways a risk because it was a sci-fi film at a time when people thought sci-fi had been done and they needed to take a break from sci-fi films and weren't going to have any for a while and people thought oh my gosh because Inception was so successful this means we'll get more sci-fi films but the answer was no that that the studios retreated to only accepting safe pitches again so you're saying that the studios who make all of these films uh decided what was needed and were wrong happens okay yeah this is my point it always happens it cannot fail so the the thing that happens is people try and play it sa with playing it safe is not necessar every show on Apple TV plus could die a death on the first night I don't think it will but it is of course possible so anytime you get a second run of something it is a gamble there are lots of shows that actually behind the scenes got a two season order as part of their original commitment and the studio badly regretted it l oh yeah um there are just too many there are shows that get canel after their fifth episode there are shows that go away very very soon but nothing what's the show where the producer said the ratings were so bad he was cancelled uh in the ad break in the first episode so but nothing good happens without taking a risk but you cannot have both ways you cannot tell me that it's a risk and that Apple knows what will go one calculated risks they are calculated risks so which way do you want to pull this that it's a risk or that they know I just telling me it's calculated it feels like you're trying to sit in the middle of two things no obviously they're not going to go ahead and throw all this money unless they've done things to balance it in their favor and part of that is by the talent they attract and part of it is by the story they want to tell and you know we saw reports as they were going through this about the different stories and how there were problems with the morning show or there were problems with the Amazing Stories and and things like this and that's partly because they were trying to make sure that they knew that they were targeting who they wanted to Target and that they could try and balance it in their favor and the makers of Sunnyside for example which I think was if not the first show canceled this season was well up there um they didn't uh think about who it was going to be aimed at or for how many shows uh that's premiered to Big publicity in September in the states will not make it to January and we'll have a mid-season replacement and actually the number is fewer than it used to be because there are a fewer new shows on network TV I think we've worn the subject out we we've riled you up we've got you excited we've got we worn this out okay right what what what can I say I launching every product is a risk right launching the Apple watch was a risk clearly it's been a successful feel like you're trying to argue my side of it yes it has yes and I really seriously hope Apple TV plus is because I think some of those programs look great I'm really looking forward to them I just I know you don't know all right a couple episodes back you and I talked about airdrop and Ultra wide band Yes you explained to me how that would uh be the start of much bigger things well um curiously Malcolm Owen wrote about a patent application that was published on the US patent and trademark office site where Apple's filing for electronic devices with motion sensing and angle of arrival detection circuitry so basically they're trying to determine they're they're covering how a system can determine the angle of arrival of signals transmitted by a nearby device which means directionality which means things like finding lost items means taking into account user motion it means factoring all of this in so it can locate an item in 3D space they can also tell which way the iPhone is holding is being held so and which way it's oriented relative to a nearby device astounding okay well it's it sounds astounding I'm very conscious the last couple of weeks uh I was standing up in an archive for 6 hours motionless scanning about a thousand documents and at some point through my watch decided to tell me I'd achieved my motion goal so I'm not convinced but I like of let me say a little bit of this besides finding lost item which is easily understandable what is the point of being able what could you do for example if you had iPhones that were aware of how they were arranged with other devices end to end side by side whatever all right I'm sorry I'm suddenly picturing those videos you had with a dozen iPads together all knowing where they all were and stuff okay yes so if you had a dozen iPads laid out in a rectangle on a table and they all knew where they were in relation to each other then you could use them as a multi- iPad display and and just like we used to have walls of TVs and shops playing videos you could have all the iPads automatically know how they were oriented and have the video play correctly on them in slices right sliced up between all the screens you could do something like that not that that's an important action but it's certainly possible with something like this where the device knows how it is in relation to other devices I'm picturing drinks coasters that know where they are okay s nice um but it can also be used to DET the loation of other devices for data transfer right you could you can you could locate the other device with ultra wideband and then perform the data transfer over Wi-Fi or Bluetooth which is a lot like airdrop except instead of using Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to advertise over airdrop which leads you open to all kinds of attacks Ultra wideband would be one way of advertising H that's true you know and one of the things that I think about is ultra wideband on a much larger scale right if Ultra wideband were a part of homekit then you'd know where you were with inside the home and and have your phone switched to the appropriate room or things like this but furthermore you know we saw this a little bit with with Amazon's sidewalk system where they're talking about using it to be able to to locate pet and and keep things like that inside fencing pets locate Pets in the world well if you can do that with ultra wideband which is kind of where so sidewalk is going anyway then you can create smart cities where it's easy to locate people's devices and Argo themselves within the whole city okay that took a certain turn into civil didn't though okay all right excellent good technology that's what we that's what we want well if you want technology let me tell you about the a13 okay that's a road out of swinford I think it is it is but it's also the name of the processor inside the iPhone 11 so I get mixed up actually when Apple doesn't doesn't add things like bionic on the bionic Fusion what you name it I don't know but anyway so tsmc maker of chips right they're they're saying that they're noting that 5G smartphone growth momentum is stronger than they expected and that they have good reason to believe that they're going to increase their their capex this year and next year so they reported a 13.5% rise in third quarter net profits so their revenue is up um 10.7% their revenue is up to 9.4 billion now is it just me who had to look up what the word capex meant I've never heard it before capital expenditure how much they going to spend okay I quite like capex sounds like a it doesn't sound like a super so now obviously iPhones aren't 5G yet but what they're saying is is they're a to forecast about it because the the rumor is that the next generation of iPhone will have 5G so tsmc chipmaker is investing up to five billion extra AE of those forecasts yes I say it's one of those things where the numbers are just unimaginable can you imagine sitting there thinking you know I think we could spend an extra five bill here and it'll work out and it will okay yes it will it will it totally will isn't there interesting thing that that um uh so you know this stuff so much brother made the apple is going to do its own 5G later later later later so is that actually going to help tsmc remember Qualcomm cuz will it be I I've heard of them so so we settled this whole Qualcomm fight apple and Qualcomm made up and so the the it's it's very likely that Apple use qualcomm's modems for 5G in 2020 2022 is when we sort of expect to see apple develop their own and release their own 5G but presumably that means releasing it in the same way they do the a13 bionic thingy which is designing it but having someone like tsmc if I've got those the right way around doing it so uh tsmc is is sitting pretty well they they are for processors for sure whether they're doing that as part of the 5G or they're just talking about the demand for 5G phones and therefore the demand for processors to fit in those phones is another thing I we've gone through this in the past with all the different suppliers for the different parts who's doing the the flexible printed circuit card kind of thing who's doing the antenna and stuff like that in the past but um suffice to say tsmc is pretty happy well that's nice that's a bit of good news then is it because I've worried about them you know they look so down I want to talk for a moment about Taylor store so the idea that that readymade garments and off the rack sizes have no place in the modern world is is sort of the basis for tailor store right they believe in embracing individualism with a new way to purchase clothing clothes that are made to order and tailored precisely to your measurements and that makes a lot of sense to me because we we aren't all sized exactly the same humans are different shapes and sizes and all kinds of things right I don't know what you're getting at what I'm getting at is is just this notion that you'd go into a shop and buy something that's marked a size and and have it fit right is kind of a weird notion right it makes sense for mass production in the old days so thinking back to this right in the Old Country if you will um 100 years ago everything was bespoke you wanted a shirt it was made it was sewed for you right you wanted you wanted a suit it was made for you and then suddenly along the way we got the site into this mass production and things like this and it it became invogue to buy things in sizes it was more affordable and and it was Posh because you were going into a shop instead of having to wait for something to be made lots of things like that and I think we're sort of turning that around now so so this this 120 year-old's way is coming back but with technology powering it right instead of of walking into a shop picking something off a rack and walking out with it and saying well that's good enough well it kind of fits right you know you can actually have something that fits the way it should so Taylor store has fully customizable dress shirts that start at $59 with options and options and options to choose from for men and women and they make it super easy to get your measurements because this is the thing is no one knows their measurements right and you could pull out a tape measure and try and get it right but who says you're measuring correctly and all this nonsense Taylor store has an app and their app is called size me and you put it on your phone and you balance your phone in the corner of the wall and then you go and stand back in the outline of the person on the camera and it takes the pictures and then he tells you to turn and you tells you to take another picture and so between two pictures a side profile and a front faceing photo they determine your sizes they get your personal measurements and it takes like seconds does that mean they tell somebody my my measurements well only in order to make clothing for you which is kind of a necessary necessary thing right okay okay okay yeah and I mean they aren't sharing it on Facebook they're just sharing it with the seamstress or seamster okay they have a perfect fit guarantee and it's really generous so basically if the shirt doesn't fit as you'd like it to they remake it and they don't care about returns if if you get a shirt and it's not sized right you get to keep the faulty shirt or give it to charity or something like that oh okay right that makes sense okay that then yes I agree that's G that's very good and they are 100% carbon neutral business they're committed to making the world a fair and a better place and it's really great so I did this I got the app I downloaded it I went ahead and I spent I I got way too involved in picking out options for the shirt because they just have so many cool options and I picked out all the options that I wanted and I submitted and the next thing you know like a few days past and I had a photograph of someone in Sri Lanka sewing my shirt and and then a few days later I had a FedEx notification that my shirt was being shipped and just like that so it went from app to me spending way too much much time in the website because I loved all the choices and then next thing you know I got a shirt and it's fantastic and you can get your very own made to measure dress shirt today at Taylor store.com slapple Insider new new customers that's you will get their first dress shirt starting only at $39 that's 50% off the regular pricing plus free shipping with the code Apple Insider so that's Taylor store.com apppp Insider with the promo code Apple Insider see William now you've got no excuse to go out looking the way you do seriously I was having such a lovely time that's okay yes yeah Google anything else you want to I finally got my hair cut does that congratulations so glad for that than thank you it's been a while bit busy that's why got a little long there you know yeah it was actually surprisingly yeah Google made a number of other announcements they had an event on Tuesday do you hear about this yes I'm trying to think pixel 4el um airpods 2 no no pixel buds pixel buds too pixel buds sorry oh well near enough buddy it's pixel buds okay I will remember that now because of the way you've said that um they sound like everybody else's uh but so have I missed something well I mean they're they're of course Google assistant in the earbud kind of thing and they fit in the ear they're a little less uh attention getting than Microsoft's surface buds which look ginormous like platters inside your ears um the pixel buds are are meant to to do the things that they've always done before right which was translation which was the Google assistant in your ear kind of thing and i' forgotten about the translation that is impressive yes well maybe they'll do it a little bit better this time we're still waiting to find out the the first version wasn't that great oh yeah pixel 4 which of course has a three lens camera arranged in a square feels kind of familiar CH can't place it no have we seen that before I don't know some my company yeah the other things that you should know about are Nest Wi-Fi Nest mini and pixel book go so Nest mini is an update to the Google home mini basically they they've updated the speakers they've updated the audio they've got double the bases the original model and they have some audio tuning software to try and produce a full clear sound at all volume levels regardless of the content so they're they're keeping that very small package but trying to make it sound like a bigger speaker okay sounds interesting they've added proximity sensors to detect the user's hand so when you wave your hand at it it'll light up areas where you can tap to adjust volume in the past you just had to say hey Google hey Google volume up or hey Google volume down kind of thing of course the bigger one the the Google home that wasn't the mini you could touch on at a touch surface the microphone has been updated to handle noisy environments better and and the volume of the device changes dynamically based on the background noise level I'm not sure exactly how that means does it mean it gets louder if there's background noise or if it lowers if there's background noise not sure which one you do it probably gets louder a new dedicated machine learning chip included in the Google home Mini offers up to one ter Ops of processing power meaning some Google Assistant queries are handled locally instead of on Google servers with the learning common commands and processing them faster that's actually kind of cool yeah I like that that's that's kind of cool of course my uses for Google home mini are pretty limited and so my uses probably would not be local I I have uh some home automation stuff that only talks to Google that doesn't homekit yet and so I use it to turn on the light and turn on the ceiling fan and adjust speed kind of thing and because that's a Wi-Fi connected device it's probably going up to a server and then coming back down for that command okay well I'm so shocked that you can bear that delay I I really can't I keep working on getting it to be homekit compatible but it hasn't happened yet I will let you know as soon as it does basically what's important to know here is that they've ad updated the nest mini to try and they've renamed it Nest mini it's it was Google home mini now it's Nest mini they've retired the whole works with Nest program so anything that was works with Nest now is going to have to be working with Google home and assistant um so are they trying to get rid of the word Nest well you think that except I think what they're doing is just moving it over to be Google home yeah Google Home Stuff got renamed Nest okay but they've they've they're trying to do some interesting things to make the speaker sound better to give double the base to give better proprietary microphone handling they're they're doing some interesting things there and the device pricing has stay the same it's pre-order and cost $49 it'll ship October 22nd so that's oh that's really close actually is close I'm used to these things most things are being announced at the moment seem to be saying next year or even the year after uh so this one is practically right now right now with better speakers better audio and because they're using chomecast audio as a part of that it could be easily whole house audio if you put one of these in every room you would have speaker everywhere kind of thing and you could group them and do all that kind of stuff so 49 bucks compared to what's a homepod cost now is it 250 or 350 I think it's 250 can't remember and and of course the homepod has a lot more going on in it and has a lot better speakers but this thing sounds better than it has it's it's kind of s it sounds better than it was it was before or better than a right okay cuz I really love the sound of the I believe I'm sure you do but uh you know having having a smattering of these around would be a fast and easy way to get whole house audio I still want to try having two homep pods together uh everyone who uses it says that it's a remarkable difference uh but that would mean getting a second homep pod and if I did I'd probably put one in the living room and then the whole thing would fall apart I'd have to get three h pods and the next thing in I wanted to use them with Apple TV as the speakers but the problem is and I've tried with other airpl 2 speakers is that it seems like you have to repair to them or reconnect to them all the time you know you're your Apple TV goes to sleep you wake it up oh you got to go and reestablish its connection back to the airpl 2 speakers for the Audio I didn't have that I mean I only had it on the H for a couple weeks over Christmas Apple TV it but I don't remember reconnecting at all for it see remember once he got out of s sink somewhere but yeah here's something that's important for those of us in education right the high performance pixelbook go so the pixelbook traditionally is a very very expensive kind of thing and has been a super capable laptop you know they they've pixel books have been like Google's Chromebook history has been here's a Chromebook and by the way it's $1,300 and it's got the very best of everything and that's a nice thing because it sort of shows what can be done with a Chromebook but they're really expensive and so this time around pixelbook go is sort of in this this iPod aish kind of world right it's 13 mm thick it weighs 2 lb which is about the same as a MacBook Air it's got a 13.3in touchcreen like a MacBook Air 13in it's got a quiet keyboard with hush Keys it's a grippable case design has 12 hours of battery life with 2 hours provided after just 20 minutes of charging and it starts at 649 and it's got everything from an Intel Core M3 Core i5 core i7 8 gig or 16 gig of RAM and between 64 and 256 G of storage with either full HD or 4K displays so that is a a super broad range of of um specs and a super broad range of pricing I suppose but what's cool about that is that it's definitely not a crippled Chromebook it is a a real Chromebook and starting at 649 that puts it into the high end of what a Chromebook is for the rest of the market but right there in the middle around where a lot of PC laptops are do you know if they do them in blue do I know if they do one in blue I do not well there you go this the one specification I cared about you want it in blue fine fine yes of course I got a color coordinate I guess yeah it's all right so Google is doing Wi-Fi again in the past they've done Google Wi-Fi and before that they had the um the onhub the Google onhub Wi-Fi so now there's Nest Wi-Fi Nest WiFi is two separate routers one plugs into the home modem and then the other unit is a repeater and basically they are twice the speed and 25% better coverage than Google Wi-Fi which tells me they're using triband radios instead of the dual band radios that were in Google Wi-Fi that they've got they added must have added a third radio and they're doing uh better antenna to get that better coverage a two pack is covering 3,800 Square ft and more units expand the coverage further you set up with Google home app as you would with anything else from this stuff and share a guest Wi-Fi password with visitors you can prioritize devices and the nest Wi-Fi point also functions as a nest mini with the built-in speaker accessing Google Assistant so that's kind of Co it's a shame that it feels like it's it's all or nothing I'm I me most of this it it interests me intellectually but I'm not going to go and buy tons of this stuff because I've got homekit um I'm kind of wedded to the Apple ecosystem and I really like Mac OS and iOS so I'm not going to swap off to everything else it's not all or nothing you can totally use together you can use this with an iPhone yeah have you tried today yeah okay I they whichever wall Garden you get to first you're happy with uh very fed up with uh office and Google I mean you can use this as just a Wi-Fi base and all you have to do is use the Google home app to set it up you don't have to use Google Assistant although it's there you you could carry on very happily using it as just a really good wi-fi system okay it's not like it's a w Garden that you have to commit to it it you just don't have to commit at all the levels okay but once they've got you a little bit of not really some people sure you know there there are some people but that's how all of the stuff starts right you have one piece and then you go get the other thing that works with it like a lot of people start with a Google home mini and then get a chomecast or but you can stop any time outl just Google homing to be um uh What's the phrase to fit in um okay to be sociable that's the phrase you just Google to Sociable be sociable okay now you know Apple arcade right yes Okay Google's got their own version of a game streaming service that's going to open up to users on November 19th I'm truly shocked it's called Google stadia and there's stadia and stadia pro naturally and they have a game controller called the stadia controller uh works with a chomecast Ultra so you can cast your video from your device with your games to the TV kind of like you would with an Apple TV no hang on sorry I I haven't used that apple iade is on my Apple TV waiting for me to try so so if you using Google stadia how would you get it to the TV you'd use a chomecast Ultra okay so I can't just have I can't just buy this service I have to buy a Krust Ulta Ultra I mean to do you could you don't necessarily have to but it's it's a good way to get it to the TV okay well given that I have even clicked on Apple arcade on my Apple TV I personally am un likely to go down this route but I could see the appeal to others yes all right so this one's big news for Americans the FCC approved the merger between T-Mobile and Sprint I no I didn't know this so that's that's been hanging over for quite a while okay so and what their conditions as remember yeah so the the conditions uh were that they had to sell off and and help establish Dish Network as a potential fourth carrier oh yeah yeah so so basically Sprint and T-Mobile could merge but they had to get rid of dish and Dish had they had support dish becoming a fourth carrier okay I'm going be telling me about this now it seemed intriguing it's going to be an interesting thing to merge because Sprint and T-Mobile's technology are very different right um first of all they operate on different frequencies second of all Sprint historically was was like Verizon a CDMA based Network kind of thing versus the GSM based that um that T-Mobile has been of course now that everyone's doing LTE it's it's a little bit better than that but it's still going to be interesting to see how they integrate with with big mergers like this with huge corporate mergers like this I usually want to say that wait a year to two years minimum just because that's how long it takes for them to shake out all of the bureaucracy and the separate systems and actually merge okay it's going to be a big thing but a great thing not well depends right what the problem with both T-Mobile and Sprint is their lack of service map their lack of good coverage and they'll tell you oh yeah no we've got service everywhere it's fantastic but I will tell you that there are plenty of places where they don't and and that's what AT&T and Verizon still rule at is Nationwide coverage and T-Mobile does a great job on on their building story where where their story has been pretty much uh what you see for in the bill is what you pay kind of thing and you know they give you free access to streaming services they don't charge you data consumption for that Sprints has been buy a phone and you never have to buy a phone again you basically upgrade for Life buy an iPhone with upgrades for life has been their pitch and so there are some great things that they're doing but unless you live in a region where it works well it's it's likely to not work well and so their merger will only help um and it will also it comes at the right time because 5G roll out is going to have to start happening so it's a good opportunity for them to upgrade all their stuff anyway to something unified okay that makes sense you know yeah uh iTunes I'm sorry not iTunes Apple released third developer betas iTunes is of course gone in Catalina but but iOS 13.2 iPad OS 13 .2 tvos 13.2 and a fourth watch OS 6.1 build have been released for testing I kind of came off the I went on the beta train very late uh in the cycle and then came off it as soon as everything was out properly so uh what am I missing on the betas what's worth these builds have a few changes right there's the ability to opt into anonymized voice recordings of Siri request submitted for review to improve the virtual assistance accuracy so you can opt in to submit your voice recordings for review for accuracy there are new Emoji there are changes to the camera app enabling users to change frame rates and resolutions without having to jump to settings there you noticed when you pressed and and long pressed on an app in iOS 13.0 or 13.1 that you would see the apps wiggle and get a context menu saying rearrange apps right but there was no option to delete them yeah well yeah okay yes now there is it's it's been added okay um there's also some code that seems to refer to noise cancellation in a future model of airpods I'm afraid to say quite fancy that actually I can think of many cases where that would be useful yeah U but I it feels like I've only just bought my airpods to an hour ago so y listen uh Christmas is coming up um I could sell you airpods too to give to somebody yeah they're British I don't want them uh yeah okay I think actually audio works the same here as there I'm not sure but okay yeah but but it means you know Siri will talk in a British accent be not pleasant okay that's that's not unreasonable it's completely reasonable all right tell me about using dual screens well F if I am using dual screens right now and I'm surprised to be doing it because I prefer a single uh large monitor oh well there's the answer I've just told myself my own answer my monitor is actually quite small um so I tried outside car just to see if it would work on my gear and it did and I found I rather like it but now something else has happened what's happened what's happened Luna display who used to do this there are a couple of companies that did this before Apple introduced side car and basically shlock them but Luna display has come out with a way to do exactly this use an iPad as a second screen or an extension to your desktop but it doesn't have to be an iPad anymore it can be another Mac so I think most of us have older Max knocking around and they could be quite old I have a uh I can't remember how far back it can goes um but you can have a Mac running something like Mountain line and use it as an extended display uh for your Catalina Mac and how well does that work so well uh seemingly given that it isn't out in our hands yet uh at least as well as uh Luna display used to work before it and we have used that we have seen that and it does work well Apple has certain advantages that makes side car better than anyone uh can make it but given that uh difference Luna display is really quite impressive very cool very very cool yeah you know I was talking to someone else just not long ago about using a Mac and side car with their iPad I like the idea of being able to do this with other things including like you said Mac to Mac yes and what a clever way to do something that Apple hasn't yet it's uh and it's also it seems a bit green rather than have my my old MacBook chucked away in a corner I can get it out again yeah and it can live it can breathe as a screen okay it's a very expensive display there you go yeah it's had a lot of use up to now I've got my value out of it I'm just getting more now good well I'm glad I'm glad you're getting value out of that I've gotten value out of this conversation and hope our listen have too if you're out there listening and you got value about thise William William where can people find you on the internet you don't want them to let you know I I am on Twitter as W Gallagher and I am William appleinsider.com and you're going to tell people where they can reach you too aren't you yes in in my secret underground lair in the Andes but also on Twitter at V marks and Victor appleinsider.com I am so glad you made time for this William I really appreciative that you're here and all of you listeners too thank you so much we'll be back next week and ending record ofyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor marks and joining me is some other guy oh it wasn't sure you're talking about me then I was just looking around seeing who you were looking at some other guy yes William William Gallagher yes I've also been known as o you so I'll take anything really what you okay and the moment we start talking it begins raining really heavily here in England that might be have something to do with our current political situation but Hi how are you well I'm I'm doing better than you guys apparently although that's questionable let's not talk about that stuff I'd rather talk about something else I'd like to talk about the the intense weird situation we have where where people are crossing crossing lines that would not have been crossed in the past where people are reaching out across aisles and across borders and doing things that would have been Unthinkable a short time ago if you bought a Samsung I have not but I was going to talk about the Apple TV app becoming compatible with Roku set top boxes oh okay yeah yeah that's um inconceivable no no hang on so that's Apple TV software running on Roku or is it plugging another box is the Apple TV app available via the Roku Channel store to discover and watch movies TV shows iTunes video library content and subscribe to Apple TV channels directly on Roku devices well I can't imagine why they brought that out two weeks ahead of the launch of Apple TV plus it's just un funny that you mentioned that Roku is also confirmed that Apple TV plus will be available on the Roku platform okay I'm I'm gasping yeah I'm not going to rush out and buy a Roku uh box but that's cuz I've seen what they look like um are you a roko Roku fan not I have I have owned some of their products in the past in fact I own the original one from way back before there was such thing as an Apple TV but um no actually I think the Apple TV might have been first but in any case I have the first both those things but in addition to the United States the Apple TV app is available to Roku users in Argentina Canada Chile Colombia Costa Rica El Salvador France Guatemala Honduras Mexico Nicaragua Panama Peru the Republic of Ireland and some other Backwater country we're not trying to pad out this episode at all I just wanted to name every single country that mattered and then also the United Kingdom okay oh all right thanks r that in you're welcome okay but thank you for doing it in alphabetic LA the UK at least lends itself to coming at the end of lists uh alphabetically as punch lines so you know we thought ahead well done hang on us is after the UK D in priority order so with the Apple TV coming to Roku roku's customers are going to enjoy your even broader range of exciting entertainment including the highly anticipated Apple TV plus service I agree with that statement that was uh that was their general manager of platform business Scott Rosenberg so Roku is a valuable partner for Content providers looking to reach a large and engaged audience and they're happy to bring this option to Roku users basically you add this channel the same way you would to any other Roku device you press the home button on your Rog remote you scroll up or down and select streaming store channels or open the channel store you search the channels you start typing Apple TV and it should pop up it's funny when you start listing steps like that it no matter what you're talking about it always sounds really involved and you know it's quicker to do 10 seconds I mean you press the home button yes we know go to the streaming channels or open the channel store yep search channels okay right none of this is incredibly complex and it shouldn't be and step five never look back well so I think that's what there there are a number of compatible devices and I think it's interesting to note that you know the devices you'd expect right Roku Express Express plus the Streaming Stick the Streaming Stick plus the premiere plus the ultra right all of those things sound good but Roku 2 seems to be supported and that's pretty far back and also there are smart sound barss which are supported which I think is pretty cool Sor sambar is supporting Apple TV well think of it like this imagine you had an Apple TV that also had speakers on built into it what an amazing way to listen to the new c yeah very good one well done um C of course being the drama about unsighted people but uh yeah my version would be a lot cheaper than Apple's but to produce for sure but yeah so if you had a speaker that also was an Apple TV or an Apple TV that also had speakers built into it and had an HDMI output that could then connect to a display that's kind of what this Roku Soundbar is it's a soundbar that also has HDMI output to play the video onto a TV sounds good kind of convenient remember when we plugged our TV set into the homepod to see what it sounded like strictly com dancing sounded so much richer you didn't plug the TV into the homepod though because the homepod doesn't have plugs oh do you only have the old version you are terrible you are awful so Roku basically Roku happy let's talk about Netflix Netflix okay sent a letter to their investors and said that they're happy they said new entrance into the streaming space including Apple TV plus will help accelerate what it believes will be an inevitable shift away from traditional linear television they're saying competition is nothing new they've had Amazon Hulu and YouTube vying for attention for more than a decade this doesn't matter in our view Apple TV is going to be Apple TV plus is going to be great that that they're well suited to take on newcomers like this um this is Netflix's version of Welcome IBM seriously isn't it pretty much okay although what else would they do you you know that every time companies have sent out things like that in the background it means they're taking this very seriously right if we read between the lines and and you know in our view the likely outcome from the launch of these services will be to accelerate the shift from linear TV to demand consumption of entertainment Netflix said right what's what's reading between the lines on that in our view yeah it's getting rid of linear television but it's not coming to us necessarily you know they they say no upstart delivers the same level of diversity and quality offered through its catalog well you say that but Disney plus has the Disney Vault which they have used to great success in the past right you know they they used to run telec commercials saying we're opening the Disney Vault and we're releasing for a limited time only this version of sleeping Beauty and then we'll close the Vault and put it away and you won't be able to get it again and so they've sold VHS tapes based on this and they've sold DVDs based on this and then they've sold Blu-rays based on this and every time they do it it's a big thing for them and so now they're going to put them on streaming service you think which is obviously big but it also means they can't do this Vault thing anymore well they can a little bit they can when something's going to be available and not so they can make it available on their streaming service for a limited time only should they choose did you watch the three-hour Montage promo on YouTube I did not no no no no nor did I no of course not just an hour yeah that's right so these services including uh peacock NBC's and HBO Max uh all have great titles Netflix says but none have the variety diversity and quality of the original program that we're producing around the world they said um I am unconvinced I know they're positioning themselves that way but I am I am unconvinced now of course Netflix beat Wall Street expectations for their most recent quarter they uh they pulled in 1.47 against estimat of 1.04 in ter of of earnings per share so they did they did better than they had said um but revenues of 5 .4 5.24 billion did not meet expectations of 5.25 billion and subscriptions fell they they've got 517,000 domestic subscriptions additions and that was they were expecting to grow by 82,000 instead H that's quite a difference yeah Apple TV plus is said to launch November 1st for $4.99 a month although people who are like me and purchased a fantastically cool iPhone 11 or qualifying Hardware like an iPad or iPod or something like that are going to enjoy one free year of service I'm wondering what happens next year when you buy the next phone but that's another thing okay I you know that's a good question I would like for them to start doing this if you buy the phone you get the service kind of thing rolled in cuz they're they're not I mean well they're going to count the income from it they're also going to be um talking about number of subscribers at it that's the metric that that gets used here right and so if they just go ahead and Grant that for free to people who buy the hardware then they can boost their subscriber numbers Yeah by a considerable amount right and and of course there's some of that been going on already carriers for example have deals to give away Apple music subscriptions if you have this plan right if you have if you have T-Mobile they do it with no cost on the data streaming if you have Verizon depending on the plan that you get you can have free Apple music for the year so it makes sense to have these kinds of things in place yeah sorry my mind just went back a second there to fact that it sounds to me as if Disney plus is a remarkable offering but of course I'm in the UK and we're just about the only country that isn't getting it for some reason well I say that it's because of the deals they've already got between sky and Disney plus is Disney plus a remarkable offering well there are some great properties that Disney owns Disney owns the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the exception of Spider-Man cuz Sony Disney Disney owns Lucas film so all of Star Wars good right Disney Disney has a ton of cool things going on there including all the Disney classic Library what else does Disney have uh don't they have ABC television and Touchstone Productions bers of things I like like um Aaron sain Sports night and various things um no I'm not sure imagine I think the other thing is that there was a long period where Disney had things that weren't that great you know Disney was was suffering before Pixar came back and did the deal to distribute through Disney and then later it purchased by Disney and you know there there were there were some great movies like U Little Mermaid and um alas and then there were some direct video movies like Little Mermaid 2 and Little Mermaid 3 and Little Mermaid 4 and you know other things that weren't successful like Hercules right there there's a whole period of Disney stuff that was pretty bad uh and and before those things that sort of spawned a Resurgence in in Disney in the let's say '90s there were a bunch of liveaction movies that were not good in the 70s um and so all of that stuff is a part of Disney's catalog that could be on Disney plus so they could have a ton of terrible stuff and a little bit of good stuff yeah but there's some Dreadful films I want to see again the world's greatest athlete I think it was called I seem to remember enjoying that when I was very very little I want to see how bad it really was is that just rotten it is okay I mean return to which mountain return from Witch Mountain and Escape to Witch mountains right oh I tell you I I'd forgotten about those I I I had an age appropriate crush on um tier inim Richards Escape to Witch Mountain yeah I don't think I saw the sequel actually but yeah good God that oh and I can't have it thanks for you know bringing that and uh pulling it away yep yeah yeah okay give me a moment I'll be okay okay trying to work out how old I was when I saw that film okay anyway so okay but the thing is still Disney has uh this instant giant catalog Apple uh very much does not building a catalog U yeah but they're not acquiring anything it's going to be a slow thing I was very pleased by the uh news that Apple was giving second season orders uh to things before shows have started airing um yeah cuz they' got to and it just well and they know what they have faith in confidence yeah but you never know nobody ever knows until something airs so they could the morning show could still bomb and I mean I don't think it will but it everything can so it's always a risky investment um television's insane like that yeah but you know they they understand these things in terms of just as much as they understand products right and and whether or not a product bomb before they launch it and no they really really do not you cannot determine whether something is even likely to be I mean you can put money behind it you can bet but the most huge things have died a death how many shows get in sep allow me to to just speak for one moment on this and and let me explain my position because I know that you as a writer and as a as a person who's worked in radio and television have have a perspective but let me let me explain this when Apple designs a product a hardware product let's say they understand that they are trying to solve a problem that people have and it may not be a problem that people are aware that they have until they say here's a solution and people go oh yeah I deal with that every day and it sucks and and visual voicemail is one of those kinds of things right when I had when I had the saw the first iPhone keynote I knew immediately that's why I wanted this phone and for other people there were other reasons but that was very apparent to me right and when Apple talks about talked about iMovie you know iMovie for them solved a technical problem which is hard drives are growing and we need to figure out how we're going to fill hard drives so we can for sell computers with bigger hard drives for more money and from the user perspective what the answer was was we're going to go ahead and create this thing so that instead of having your home movies on film or on videotapes that you never watch you'll be able to edit them out and it'll be a crap removal tool and you can go ahead and make your home movies watchable and then idvd will help you burn them and distribute them and ioto will manage your photo libraries and and it'll be your digital life right they were solving problems that people weren't even necessarily sure that they needed solved until they saw them and went oh yeah that's me and with entertainment it's not exactly a problem problem is Dickinson supposed to solve but it's well and for how many people is Dickinson supposed to solve it what problem have I got that I don't know I'm very much looking forward to modern language period piece with that's not historically based on anything at all um solve well if you like period pieces and you want something that's easily digestible that's kind of fluff without having to think too hard and yet might be fun well we C let's be careful to in uh I don't know what problem cuton candy has maned to solve in my life I well it's it's fast simple sugar and delight and it's like clouds on your tongue that's cotton candy it's fun and meaningless and completely without any nutritional value and I think Dickinson is about the same problem so what problem is it supposed to solve it's pleasure it's pleasurable that's it and people need pleasure in their lives how does that compare to ability to record home movies and edited which is an an activity providing pleasure as the result yes making it easy to make things watchable and make them enjoyable again not quite the same level each one of shows going to Sol more than For All Mankind how do I look at those two shows and decide that one's going to be the hit because that one solves a problem who is the audience for that who has that whole their lives that needs to be filled by that 40-minute segment of video who's going to take pleasure from that and how exactly do you expect Apple to know that and how exactly do you account for Gigantic films failing why were the Star Wars prequels so badly received uh when everything about them is exactly what everybody wanted no no no no they they well first of all because they didn't succeed we can draw the conclusion that they were not exactly what everyone wanted second of all they they fail the prequels failed because they spent more time on artificial characters and and things like that and changing the mythology of the the way that the force worked the way that the characters let go back to the first it basically broke people's impress what problem did that solve that solved the the problem that in the 70s cowboy movies were pretty much kind of gone and you needed an epic story and there were no epic stories back at that being produced at that time so this was a fun cowboy movie in space adventure and it filled that missing Adventure Gap that why didn't 20th Century Fox think we've got it this is what we needed there's a problem this will solve it and instead they were pretty desperately trying to uh get save themselves from potential losses nobody knows which is some we do know that that until the the last edits were made on it that movie was in in great danger of not telling the story well it was it was falling apart in shooting and Lucas was was having nightmares and Spielberg was trying to help him figure it out and it was Lucas's wife who edited the thing back into a sensible story well there were three editors but Marcy Lucas was absolutely fundamental to it yes except I don't understand uh you're saying uh in advance people knew there was going to be a problem that this film would solve and then they solved it and no they don't they don't know that you canot it's not quite as smooth as all that but but obviously they accepted the pitch yes and then found the budget and they were committed to it and we're talking specifically about Fox but why didn't Paramount take it originally or Universal uh why was Fox the only firm because because there's a great hesitance there's a great great hesitance both in product and in film where there are people who want to only do the thing that's already been done and proved Successful by someone else and maybe do it a slightly bit different or a slightly bit better right there let me let me say this when Inception came out years ago Inception was a fantastic film it was and it was in many ways a risk because it was a sci-fi film at a time when people thought sci-fi had been done and they needed to take a break from sci-fi films and weren't going to have any for a while and people thought oh my gosh because Inception was so successful this means we'll get more sci-fi films but the answer was no that that the studios retreated to only accepting safe pitches again so you're saying that the studios who make all of these films uh decided what was needed and were wrong happens okay yeah this is my point it always happens it cannot fail so the the thing that happens is people try and play it sa with playing it safe is not necessar every show on Apple TV plus could die a death on the first night I don't think it will but it is of course possible so anytime you get a second run of something it is a gamble there are lots of shows that actually behind the scenes got a two season order as part of their original commitment and the studio badly regretted it l oh yeah um there are just too many there are shows that get canel after their fifth episode there are shows that go away very very soon but nothing what's the show where the producer said the ratings were so bad he was cancelled uh in the ad break in the first episode so but nothing good happens without taking a risk but you cannot have both ways you cannot tell me that it's a risk and that Apple knows what will go one calculated risks they are calculated risks so which way do you want to pull this that it's a risk or that they know I just telling me it's calculated it feels like you're trying to sit in the middle of two things no obviously they're not going to go ahead and throw all this money unless they've done things to balance it in their favor and part of that is by the talent they attract and part of it is by the story they want to tell and you know we saw reports as they were going through this about the different stories and how there were problems with the morning show or there were problems with the Amazing Stories and and things like this and that's partly because they were trying to make sure that they knew that they were targeting who they wanted to Target and that they could try and balance it in their favor and the makers of Sunnyside for example which I think was if not the first show canceled this season was well up there um they didn't uh think about who it was going to be aimed at or for how many shows uh that's premiered to Big publicity in September in the states will not make it to January and we'll have a mid-season replacement and actually the number is fewer than it used to be because there are a fewer new shows on network TV I think we've worn the subject out we we've riled you up we've got you excited we've got we worn this out okay right what what what can I say I launching every product is a risk right launching the Apple watch was a risk clearly it's been a successful feel like you're trying to argue my side of it yes it has yes and I really seriously hope Apple TV plus is because I think some of those programs look great I'm really looking forward to them I just I know you don't know all right a couple episodes back you and I talked about airdrop and Ultra wide band Yes you explained to me how that would uh be the start of much bigger things well um curiously Malcolm Owen wrote about a patent application that was published on the US patent and trademark office site where Apple's filing for electronic devices with motion sensing and angle of arrival detection circuitry so basically they're trying to determine they're they're covering how a system can determine the angle of arrival of signals transmitted by a nearby device which means directionality which means things like finding lost items means taking into account user motion it means factoring all of this in so it can locate an item in 3D space they can also tell which way the iPhone is holding is being held so and which way it's oriented relative to a nearby device astounding okay well it's it sounds astounding I'm very conscious the last couple of weeks uh I was standing up in an archive for 6 hours motionless scanning about a thousand documents and at some point through my watch decided to tell me I'd achieved my motion goal so I'm not convinced but I like of let me say a little bit of this besides finding lost item which is easily understandable what is the point of being able what could you do for example if you had iPhones that were aware of how they were arranged with other devices end to end side by side whatever all right I'm sorry I'm suddenly picturing those videos you had with a dozen iPads together all knowing where they all were and stuff okay yes so if you had a dozen iPads laid out in a rectangle on a table and they all knew where they were in relation to each other then you could use them as a multi- iPad display and and just like we used to have walls of TVs and shops playing videos you could have all the iPads automatically know how they were oriented and have the video play correctly on them in slices right sliced up between all the screens you could do something like that not that that's an important action but it's certainly possible with something like this where the device knows how it is in relation to other devices I'm picturing drinks coasters that know where they are okay s nice um but it can also be used to DET the loation of other devices for data transfer right you could you can you could locate the other device with ultra wideband and then perform the data transfer over Wi-Fi or Bluetooth which is a lot like airdrop except instead of using Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to advertise over airdrop which leads you open to all kinds of attacks Ultra wideband would be one way of advertising H that's true you know and one of the things that I think about is ultra wideband on a much larger scale right if Ultra wideband were a part of homekit then you'd know where you were with inside the home and and have your phone switched to the appropriate room or things like this but furthermore you know we saw this a little bit with with Amazon's sidewalk system where they're talking about using it to be able to to locate pet and and keep things like that inside fencing pets locate Pets in the world well if you can do that with ultra wideband which is kind of where so sidewalk is going anyway then you can create smart cities where it's easy to locate people's devices and Argo themselves within the whole city okay that took a certain turn into civil didn't though okay all right excellent good technology that's what we that's what we want well if you want technology let me tell you about the a13 okay that's a road out of swinford I think it is it is but it's also the name of the processor inside the iPhone 11 so I get mixed up actually when Apple doesn't doesn't add things like bionic on the bionic Fusion what you name it I don't know but anyway so tsmc maker of chips right they're they're saying that they're noting that 5G smartphone growth momentum is stronger than they expected and that they have good reason to believe that they're going to increase their their capex this year and next year so they reported a 13.5% rise in third quarter net profits so their revenue is up um 10.7% their revenue is up to 9.4 billion now is it just me who had to look up what the word capex meant I've never heard it before capital expenditure how much they going to spend okay I quite like capex sounds like a it doesn't sound like a super so now obviously iPhones aren't 5G yet but what they're saying is is they're a to forecast about it because the the rumor is that the next generation of iPhone will have 5G so tsmc chipmaker is investing up to five billion extra AE of those forecasts yes I say it's one of those things where the numbers are just unimaginable can you imagine sitting there thinking you know I think we could spend an extra five bill here and it'll work out and it will okay yes it will it will it totally will isn't there interesting thing that that um uh so you know this stuff so much brother made the apple is going to do its own 5G later later later later so is that actually going to help tsmc remember Qualcomm cuz will it be I I've heard of them so so we settled this whole Qualcomm fight apple and Qualcomm made up and so the the it's it's very likely that Apple use qualcomm's modems for 5G in 2020 2022 is when we sort of expect to see apple develop their own and release their own 5G but presumably that means releasing it in the same way they do the a13 bionic thingy which is designing it but having someone like tsmc if I've got those the right way around doing it so uh tsmc is is sitting pretty well they they are for processors for sure whether they're doing that as part of the 5G or they're just talking about the demand for 5G phones and therefore the demand for processors to fit in those phones is another thing I we've gone through this in the past with all the different suppliers for the different parts who's doing the the flexible printed circuit card kind of thing who's doing the antenna and stuff like that in the past but um suffice to say tsmc is pretty happy well that's nice that's a bit of good news then is it because I've worried about them you know they look so down I want to talk for a moment about Taylor store so the idea that that readymade garments and off the rack sizes have no place in the modern world is is sort of the basis for tailor store right they believe in embracing individualism with a new way to purchase clothing clothes that are made to order and tailored precisely to your measurements and that makes a lot of sense to me because we we aren't all sized exactly the same humans are different shapes and sizes and all kinds of things right I don't know what you're getting at what I'm getting at is is just this notion that you'd go into a shop and buy something that's marked a size and and have it fit right is kind of a weird notion right it makes sense for mass production in the old days so thinking back to this right in the Old Country if you will um 100 years ago everything was bespoke you wanted a shirt it was made it was sewed for you right you wanted you wanted a suit it was made for you and then suddenly along the way we got the site into this mass production and things like this and it it became invogue to buy things in sizes it was more affordable and and it was Posh because you were going into a shop instead of having to wait for something to be made lots of things like that and I think we're sort of turning that around now so so this this 120 year-old's way is coming back but with technology powering it right instead of of walking into a shop picking something off a rack and walking out with it and saying well that's good enough well it kind of fits right you know you can actually have something that fits the way it should so Taylor store has fully customizable dress shirts that start at $59 with options and options and options to choose from for men and women and they make it super easy to get your measurements because this is the thing is no one knows their measurements right and you could pull out a tape measure and try and get it right but who says you're measuring correctly and all this nonsense Taylor store has an app and their app is called size me and you put it on your phone and you balance your phone in the corner of the wall and then you go and stand back in the outline of the person on the camera and it takes the pictures and then he tells you to turn and you tells you to take another picture and so between two pictures a side profile and a front faceing photo they determine your sizes they get your personal measurements and it takes like seconds does that mean they tell somebody my my measurements well only in order to make clothing for you which is kind of a necessary necessary thing right okay okay okay yeah and I mean they aren't sharing it on Facebook they're just sharing it with the seamstress or seamster okay they have a perfect fit guarantee and it's really generous so basically if the shirt doesn't fit as you'd like it to they remake it and they don't care about returns if if you get a shirt and it's not sized right you get to keep the faulty shirt or give it to charity or something like that oh okay right that makes sense okay that then yes I agree that's G that's very good and they are 100% carbon neutral business they're committed to making the world a fair and a better place and it's really great so I did this I got the app I downloaded it I went ahead and I spent I I got way too involved in picking out options for the shirt because they just have so many cool options and I picked out all the options that I wanted and I submitted and the next thing you know like a few days past and I had a photograph of someone in Sri Lanka sewing my shirt and and then a few days later I had a FedEx notification that my shirt was being shipped and just like that so it went from app to me spending way too much much time in the website because I loved all the choices and then next thing you know I got a shirt and it's fantastic and you can get your very own made to measure dress shirt today at Taylor store.com slapple Insider new new customers that's you will get their first dress shirt starting only at $39 that's 50% off the regular pricing plus free shipping with the code Apple Insider so that's Taylor store.com apppp Insider with the promo code Apple Insider see William now you've got no excuse to go out looking the way you do seriously I was having such a lovely time that's okay yes yeah Google anything else you want to I finally got my hair cut does that congratulations so glad for that than thank you it's been a while bit busy that's why got a little long there you know yeah it was actually surprisingly yeah Google made a number of other announcements they had an event on Tuesday do you hear about this yes I'm trying to think pixel 4el um airpods 2 no no pixel buds pixel buds too pixel buds sorry oh well near enough buddy it's pixel buds okay I will remember that now because of the way you've said that um they sound like everybody else's uh but so have I missed something well I mean they're they're of course Google assistant in the earbud kind of thing and they fit in the ear they're a little less uh attention getting than Microsoft's surface buds which look ginormous like platters inside your ears um the pixel buds are are meant to to do the things that they've always done before right which was translation which was the Google assistant in your ear kind of thing and i' forgotten about the translation that is impressive yes well maybe they'll do it a little bit better this time we're still waiting to find out the the first version wasn't that great oh yeah pixel 4 which of course has a three lens camera arranged in a square feels kind of familiar CH can't place it no have we seen that before I don't know some my company yeah the other things that you should know about are Nest Wi-Fi Nest mini and pixel book go so Nest mini is an update to the Google home mini basically they they've updated the speakers they've updated the audio they've got double the bases the original model and they have some audio tuning software to try and produce a full clear sound at all volume levels regardless of the content so they're they're keeping that very small package but trying to make it sound like a bigger speaker okay sounds interesting they've added proximity sensors to detect the user's hand so when you wave your hand at it it'll light up areas where you can tap to adjust volume in the past you just had to say hey Google hey Google volume up or hey Google volume down kind of thing of course the bigger one the the Google home that wasn't the mini you could touch on at a touch surface the microphone has been updated to handle noisy environments better and and the volume of the device changes dynamically based on the background noise level I'm not sure exactly how that means does it mean it gets louder if there's background noise or if it lowers if there's background noise not sure which one you do it probably gets louder a new dedicated machine learning chip included in the Google home Mini offers up to one ter Ops of processing power meaning some Google Assistant queries are handled locally instead of on Google servers with the learning common commands and processing them faster that's actually kind of cool yeah I like that that's that's kind of cool of course my uses for Google home mini are pretty limited and so my uses probably would not be local I I have uh some home automation stuff that only talks to Google that doesn't homekit yet and so I use it to turn on the light and turn on the ceiling fan and adjust speed kind of thing and because that's a Wi-Fi connected device it's probably going up to a server and then coming back down for that command okay well I'm so shocked that you can bear that delay I I really can't I keep working on getting it to be homekit compatible but it hasn't happened yet I will let you know as soon as it does basically what's important to know here is that they've ad updated the nest mini to try and they've renamed it Nest mini it's it was Google home mini now it's Nest mini they've retired the whole works with Nest program so anything that was works with Nest now is going to have to be working with Google home and assistant um so are they trying to get rid of the word Nest well you think that except I think what they're doing is just moving it over to be Google home yeah Google Home Stuff got renamed Nest okay but they've they've they're trying to do some interesting things to make the speaker sound better to give double the base to give better proprietary microphone handling they're they're doing some interesting things there and the device pricing has stay the same it's pre-order and cost $49 it'll ship October 22nd so that's oh that's really close actually is close I'm used to these things most things are being announced at the moment seem to be saying next year or even the year after uh so this one is practically right now right now with better speakers better audio and because they're using chomecast audio as a part of that it could be easily whole house audio if you put one of these in every room you would have speaker everywhere kind of thing and you could group them and do all that kind of stuff so 49 bucks compared to what's a homepod cost now is it 250 or 350 I think it's 250 can't remember and and of course the homepod has a lot more going on in it and has a lot better speakers but this thing sounds better than it has it's it's kind of s it sounds better than it was it was before or better than a right okay cuz I really love the sound of the I believe I'm sure you do but uh you know having having a smattering of these around would be a fast and easy way to get whole house audio I still want to try having two homep pods together uh everyone who uses it says that it's a remarkable difference uh but that would mean getting a second homep pod and if I did I'd probably put one in the living room and then the whole thing would fall apart I'd have to get three h pods and the next thing in I wanted to use them with Apple TV as the speakers but the problem is and I've tried with other airpl 2 speakers is that it seems like you have to repair to them or reconnect to them all the time you know you're your Apple TV goes to sleep you wake it up oh you got to go and reestablish its connection back to the airpl 2 speakers for the Audio I didn't have that I mean I only had it on the H for a couple weeks over Christmas Apple TV it but I don't remember reconnecting at all for it see remember once he got out of s sink somewhere but yeah here's something that's important for those of us in education right the high performance pixelbook go so the pixelbook traditionally is a very very expensive kind of thing and has been a super capable laptop you know they they've pixel books have been like Google's Chromebook history has been here's a Chromebook and by the way it's $1,300 and it's got the very best of everything and that's a nice thing because it sort of shows what can be done with a Chromebook but they're really expensive and so this time around pixelbook go is sort of in this this iPod aish kind of world right it's 13 mm thick it weighs 2 lb which is about the same as a MacBook Air it's got a 13.3in touchcreen like a MacBook Air 13in it's got a quiet keyboard with hush Keys it's a grippable case design has 12 hours of battery life with 2 hours provided after just 20 minutes of charging and it starts at 649 and it's got everything from an Intel Core M3 Core i5 core i7 8 gig or 16 gig of RAM and between 64 and 256 G of storage with either full HD or 4K displays so that is a a super broad range of of um specs and a super broad range of pricing I suppose but what's cool about that is that it's definitely not a crippled Chromebook it is a a real Chromebook and starting at 649 that puts it into the high end of what a Chromebook is for the rest of the market but right there in the middle around where a lot of PC laptops are do you know if they do them in blue do I know if they do one in blue I do not well there you go this the one specification I cared about you want it in blue fine fine yes of course I got a color coordinate I guess yeah it's all right so Google is doing Wi-Fi again in the past they've done Google Wi-Fi and before that they had the um the onhub the Google onhub Wi-Fi so now there's Nest Wi-Fi Nest WiFi is two separate routers one plugs into the home modem and then the other unit is a repeater and basically they are twice the speed and 25% better coverage than Google Wi-Fi which tells me they're using triband radios instead of the dual band radios that were in Google Wi-Fi that they've got they added must have added a third radio and they're doing uh better antenna to get that better coverage a two pack is covering 3,800 Square ft and more units expand the coverage further you set up with Google home app as you would with anything else from this stuff and share a guest Wi-Fi password with visitors you can prioritize devices and the nest Wi-Fi point also functions as a nest mini with the built-in speaker accessing Google Assistant so that's kind of Co it's a shame that it feels like it's it's all or nothing I'm I me most of this it it interests me intellectually but I'm not going to go and buy tons of this stuff because I've got homekit um I'm kind of wedded to the Apple ecosystem and I really like Mac OS and iOS so I'm not going to swap off to everything else it's not all or nothing you can totally use together you can use this with an iPhone yeah have you tried today yeah okay I they whichever wall Garden you get to first you're happy with uh very fed up with uh office and Google I mean you can use this as just a Wi-Fi base and all you have to do is use the Google home app to set it up you don't have to use Google Assistant although it's there you you could carry on very happily using it as just a really good wi-fi system okay it's not like it's a w Garden that you have to commit to it it you just don't have to commit at all the levels okay but once they've got you a little bit of not really some people sure you know there there are some people but that's how all of the stuff starts right you have one piece and then you go get the other thing that works with it like a lot of people start with a Google home mini and then get a chomecast or but you can stop any time outl just Google homing to be um uh What's the phrase to fit in um okay to be sociable that's the phrase you just Google to Sociable be sociable okay now you know Apple arcade right yes Okay Google's got their own version of a game streaming service that's going to open up to users on November 19th I'm truly shocked it's called Google stadia and there's stadia and stadia pro naturally and they have a game controller called the stadia controller uh works with a chomecast Ultra so you can cast your video from your device with your games to the TV kind of like you would with an Apple TV no hang on sorry I I haven't used that apple iade is on my Apple TV waiting for me to try so so if you using Google stadia how would you get it to the TV you'd use a chomecast Ultra okay so I can't just have I can't just buy this service I have to buy a Krust Ulta Ultra I mean to do you could you don't necessarily have to but it's it's a good way to get it to the TV okay well given that I have even clicked on Apple arcade on my Apple TV I personally am un likely to go down this route but I could see the appeal to others yes all right so this one's big news for Americans the FCC approved the merger between T-Mobile and Sprint I no I didn't know this so that's that's been hanging over for quite a while okay so and what their conditions as remember yeah so the the conditions uh were that they had to sell off and and help establish Dish Network as a potential fourth carrier oh yeah yeah so so basically Sprint and T-Mobile could merge but they had to get rid of dish and Dish had they had support dish becoming a fourth carrier okay I'm going be telling me about this now it seemed intriguing it's going to be an interesting thing to merge because Sprint and T-Mobile's technology are very different right um first of all they operate on different frequencies second of all Sprint historically was was like Verizon a CDMA based Network kind of thing versus the GSM based that um that T-Mobile has been of course now that everyone's doing LTE it's it's a little bit better than that but it's still going to be interesting to see how they integrate with with big mergers like this with huge corporate mergers like this I usually want to say that wait a year to two years minimum just because that's how long it takes for them to shake out all of the bureaucracy and the separate systems and actually merge okay it's going to be a big thing but a great thing not well depends right what the problem with both T-Mobile and Sprint is their lack of service map their lack of good coverage and they'll tell you oh yeah no we've got service everywhere it's fantastic but I will tell you that there are plenty of places where they don't and and that's what AT&T and Verizon still rule at is Nationwide coverage and T-Mobile does a great job on on their building story where where their story has been pretty much uh what you see for in the bill is what you pay kind of thing and you know they give you free access to streaming services they don't charge you data consumption for that Sprints has been buy a phone and you never have to buy a phone again you basically upgrade for Life buy an iPhone with upgrades for life has been their pitch and so there are some great things that they're doing but unless you live in a region where it works well it's it's likely to not work well and so their merger will only help um and it will also it comes at the right time because 5G roll out is going to have to start happening so it's a good opportunity for them to upgrade all their stuff anyway to something unified okay that makes sense you know yeah uh iTunes I'm sorry not iTunes Apple released third developer betas iTunes is of course gone in Catalina but but iOS 13.2 iPad OS 13 .2 tvos 13.2 and a fourth watch OS 6.1 build have been released for testing I kind of came off the I went on the beta train very late uh in the cycle and then came off it as soon as everything was out properly so uh what am I missing on the betas what's worth these builds have a few changes right there's the ability to opt into anonymized voice recordings of Siri request submitted for review to improve the virtual assistance accuracy so you can opt in to submit your voice recordings for review for accuracy there are new Emoji there are changes to the camera app enabling users to change frame rates and resolutions without having to jump to settings there you noticed when you pressed and and long pressed on an app in iOS 13.0 or 13.1 that you would see the apps wiggle and get a context menu saying rearrange apps right but there was no option to delete them yeah well yeah okay yes now there is it's it's been added okay um there's also some code that seems to refer to noise cancellation in a future model of airpods I'm afraid to say quite fancy that actually I can think of many cases where that would be useful yeah U but I it feels like I've only just bought my airpods to an hour ago so y listen uh Christmas is coming up um I could sell you airpods too to give to somebody yeah they're British I don't want them uh yeah okay I think actually audio works the same here as there I'm not sure but okay yeah but but it means you know Siri will talk in a British accent be not pleasant okay that's that's not unreasonable it's completely reasonable all right tell me about using dual screens well F if I am using dual screens right now and I'm surprised to be doing it because I prefer a single uh large monitor oh well there's the answer I've just told myself my own answer my monitor is actually quite small um so I tried outside car just to see if it would work on my gear and it did and I found I rather like it but now something else has happened what's happened what's happened Luna display who used to do this there are a couple of companies that did this before Apple introduced side car and basically shlock them but Luna display has come out with a way to do exactly this use an iPad as a second screen or an extension to your desktop but it doesn't have to be an iPad anymore it can be another Mac so I think most of us have older Max knocking around and they could be quite old I have a uh I can't remember how far back it can goes um but you can have a Mac running something like Mountain line and use it as an extended display uh for your Catalina Mac and how well does that work so well uh seemingly given that it isn't out in our hands yet uh at least as well as uh Luna display used to work before it and we have used that we have seen that and it does work well Apple has certain advantages that makes side car better than anyone uh can make it but given that uh difference Luna display is really quite impressive very cool very very cool yeah you know I was talking to someone else just not long ago about using a Mac and side car with their iPad I like the idea of being able to do this with other things including like you said Mac to Mac yes and what a clever way to do something that Apple hasn't yet it's uh and it's also it seems a bit green rather than have my my old MacBook chucked away in a corner I can get it out again yeah and it can live it can breathe as a screen okay it's a very expensive display there you go yeah it's had a lot of use up to now I've got my value out of it I'm just getting more now good well I'm glad I'm glad you're getting value out of that I've gotten value out of this conversation and hope our listen have too if you're out there listening and you got value about thise William William where can people find you on the internet you don't want them to let you know I I am on Twitter as W Gallagher and I am William appleinsider.com and you're going to tell people where they can reach you too aren't you yes in in my secret underground lair in the Andes but also on Twitter at V marks and Victor appleinsider.com I am so glad you made time for this William I really appreciative that you're here and all of you listeners too thank you so much we'll be back next week and ending record ofyou're listening to the Apple Insider podcast welcome to the Apple Insider podcast I'm Victor marks and joining me is some other guy oh it wasn't sure you're talking about me then I was just looking around seeing who you were looking at some other guy yes William William Gallagher yes I've also been known as o you so I'll take anything really what you okay and the moment we start talking it begins raining really heavily here in England that might be have something to do with our current political situation but Hi how are you well I'm I'm doing better than you guys apparently although that's questionable let's not talk about that stuff I'd rather talk about something else I'd like to talk about the the intense weird situation we have where where people are crossing crossing lines that would not have been crossed in the past where people are reaching out across aisles and across borders and doing things that would have been Unthinkable a short time ago if you bought a Samsung I have not but I was going to talk about the Apple TV app becoming compatible with Roku set top boxes oh okay yeah yeah that's um inconceivable no no hang on so that's Apple TV software running on Roku or is it plugging another box is the Apple TV app available via the Roku Channel store to discover and watch movies TV shows iTunes video library content and subscribe to Apple TV channels directly on Roku devices well I can't imagine why they brought that out two weeks ahead of the launch of Apple TV plus it's just un funny that you mentioned that Roku is also confirmed that Apple TV plus will be available on the Roku platform okay I'm I'm gasping yeah I'm not going to rush out and buy a Roku uh box but that's cuz I've seen what they look like um are you a roko Roku fan not I have I have owned some of their products in the past in fact I own the original one from way back before there was such thing as an Apple TV but um no actually I think the Apple TV might have been first but in any case I have the first both those things but in addition to the United States the Apple TV app is available to Roku users in Argentina Canada Chile Colombia Costa Rica El Salvador France Guatemala Honduras Mexico Nicaragua Panama Peru the Republic of Ireland and some other Backwater country we're not trying to pad out this episode at all I just wanted to name every single country that mattered and then also the United Kingdom okay oh all right thanks r that in you're welcome okay but thank you for doing it in alphabetic LA the UK at least lends itself to coming at the end of lists uh alphabetically as punch lines so you know we thought ahead well done hang on us is after the UK D in priority order so with the Apple TV coming to Roku roku's customers are going to enjoy your even broader range of exciting entertainment including the highly anticipated Apple TV plus service I agree with that statement that was uh that was their general manager of platform business Scott Rosenberg so Roku is a valuable partner for Content providers looking to reach a large and engaged audience and they're happy to bring this option to Roku users basically you add this channel the same way you would to any other Roku device you press the home button on your Rog remote you scroll up or down and select streaming store channels or open the channel store you search the channels you start typing Apple TV and it should pop up it's funny when you start listing steps like that it no matter what you're talking about it always sounds really involved and you know it's quicker to do 10 seconds I mean you press the home button yes we know go to the streaming channels or open the channel store yep search channels okay right none of this is incredibly complex and it shouldn't be and step five never look back well so I think that's what there there are a number of compatible devices and I think it's interesting to note that you know the devices you'd expect right Roku Express Express plus the Streaming Stick the Streaming Stick plus the premiere plus the ultra right all of those things sound good but Roku 2 seems to be supported and that's pretty far back and also there are smart sound barss which are supported which I think is pretty cool Sor sambar is supporting Apple TV well think of it like this imagine you had an Apple TV that also had speakers on built into it what an amazing way to listen to the new c yeah very good one well done um C of course being the drama about unsighted people but uh yeah my version would be a lot cheaper than Apple's but to produce for sure but yeah so if you had a speaker that also was an Apple TV or an Apple TV that also had speakers built into it and had an HDMI output that could then connect to a display that's kind of what this Roku Soundbar is it's a soundbar that also has HDMI output to play the video onto a TV sounds good kind of convenient remember when we plugged our TV set into the homepod to see what it sounded like strictly com dancing sounded so much richer you didn't plug the TV into the homepod though because the homepod doesn't have plugs oh do you only have the old version you are terrible you are awful so Roku basically Roku happy let's talk about Netflix Netflix okay sent a letter to their investors and said that they're happy they said new entrance into the streaming space including Apple TV plus will help accelerate what it believes will be an inevitable shift away from traditional linear television they're saying competition is nothing new they've had Amazon Hulu and YouTube vying for attention for more than a decade this doesn't matter in our view Apple TV is going to be Apple TV plus is going to be great that that they're well suited to take on newcomers like this um this is Netflix's version of Welcome IBM seriously isn't it pretty much okay although what else would they do you you know that every time companies have sent out things like that in the background it means they're taking this very seriously right if we read between the lines and and you know in our view the likely outcome from the launch of these services will be to accelerate the shift from linear TV to demand consumption of entertainment Netflix said right what's what's reading between the lines on that in our view yeah it's getting rid of linear television but it's not coming to us necessarily you know they they say no upstart delivers the same level of diversity and quality offered through its catalog well you say that but Disney plus has the Disney Vault which they have used to great success in the past right you know they they used to run telec commercials saying we're opening the Disney Vault and we're releasing for a limited time only this version of sleeping Beauty and then we'll close the Vault and put it away and you won't be able to get it again and so they've sold VHS tapes based on this and they've sold DVDs based on this and then they've sold Blu-rays based on this and every time they do it it's a big thing for them and so now they're going to put them on streaming service you think which is obviously big but it also means they can't do this Vault thing anymore well they can a little bit they can when something's going to be available and not so they can make it available on their streaming service for a limited time only should they choose did you watch the three-hour Montage promo on YouTube I did not no no no no nor did I no of course not just an hour yeah that's right so these services including uh peacock NBC's and HBO Max uh all have great titles Netflix says but none have the variety diversity and quality of the original program that we're producing around the world they said um I am unconvinced I know they're positioning themselves that way but I am I am unconvinced now of course Netflix beat Wall Street expectations for their most recent quarter they uh they pulled in 1.47 against estimat of 1.04 in ter of of earnings per share so they did they did better than they had said um but revenues of 5 .4 5.24 billion did not meet expectations of 5.25 billion and subscriptions fell they they've got 517,000 domestic subscriptions additions and that was they were expecting to grow by 82,000 instead H that's quite a difference yeah Apple TV plus is said to launch November 1st for $4.99 a month although people who are like me and purchased a fantastically cool iPhone 11 or qualifying Hardware like an iPad or iPod or something like that are going to enjoy one free year of service I'm wondering what happens next year when you buy the next phone but that's another thing okay I you know that's a good question I would like for them to start doing this if you buy the phone you get the service kind of thing rolled in cuz they're they're not I mean well they're going to count the income from it they're also going to be um talking about number of subscribers at it that's the metric that that gets used here right and so if they just go ahead and Grant that for free to people who buy the hardware then they can boost their subscriber numbers Yeah by a considerable amount right and and of course there's some of that been going on already carriers for example have deals to give away Apple music subscriptions if you have this plan right if you have if you have T-Mobile they do it with no cost on the data streaming if you have Verizon depending on the plan that you get you can have free Apple music for the year so it makes sense to have these kinds of things in place yeah sorry my mind just went back a second there to fact that it sounds to me as if Disney plus is a remarkable offering but of course I'm in the UK and we're just about the only country that isn't getting it for some reason well I say that it's because of the deals they've already got between sky and Disney plus is Disney plus a remarkable offering well there are some great properties that Disney owns Disney owns the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the exception of Spider-Man cuz Sony Disney Disney owns Lucas film so all of Star Wars good right Disney Disney has a ton of cool things going on there including all the Disney classic Library what else does Disney have uh don't they have ABC television and Touchstone Productions bers of things I like like um Aaron sain Sports night and various things um no I'm not sure imagine I think the other thing is that there was a long period where Disney had things that weren't that great you know Disney was was suffering before Pixar came back and did the deal to distribute through Disney and then later it purchased by Disney and you know there there were there were some great movies like U Little Mermaid and um alas and then there were some direct video movies like Little Mermaid 2 and Little Mermaid 3 and Little Mermaid 4 and you know other things that weren't successful like Hercules right there there's a whole period of Disney stuff that was pretty bad uh and and before those things that sort of spawned a Resurgence in in Disney in the let's say '90s there were a bunch of liveaction movies that were not good in the 70s um and so all of that stuff is a part of Disney's catalog that could be on Disney plus so they could have a ton of terrible stuff and a little bit of good stuff yeah but there's some Dreadful films I want to see again the world's greatest athlete I think it was called I seem to remember enjoying that when I was very very little I want to see how bad it really was is that just rotten it is okay I mean return to which mountain return from Witch Mountain and Escape to Witch mountains right oh I tell you I I'd forgotten about those I I I had an age appropriate crush on um tier inim Richards Escape to Witch Mountain yeah I don't think I saw the sequel actually but yeah good God that oh and I can't have it thanks for you know bringing that and uh pulling it away yep yeah yeah okay give me a moment I'll be okay okay trying to work out how old I was when I saw that film okay anyway so okay but the thing is still Disney has uh this instant giant catalog Apple uh very much does not building a catalog U yeah but they're not acquiring anything it's going to be a slow thing I was very pleased by the uh news that Apple was giving second season orders uh to things before shows have started airing um yeah cuz they' got to and it just well and they know what they have faith in confidence yeah but you never know nobody ever knows until something airs so they could the morning show could still bomb and I mean I don't think it will but it everything can so it's always a risky investment um television's insane like that yeah but you know they they understand these things in terms of just as much as they understand products right and and whether or not a product bomb before they launch it and no they really really do not you cannot determine whether something is even likely to be I mean you can put money behind it you can bet but the most huge things have died a death how many shows get in sep allow me to to just speak for one moment on this and and let me explain my position because I know that you as a writer and as a as a person who's worked in radio and television have have a perspective but let me let me explain this when Apple designs a product a hardware product let's say they understand that they are trying to solve a problem that people have and it may not be a problem that people are aware that they have until they say here's a solution and people go oh yeah I deal with that every day and it sucks and and visual voicemail is one of those kinds of things right when I had when I had the saw the first iPhone keynote I knew immediately that's why I wanted this phone and for other people there were other reasons but that was very apparent to me right and when Apple talks about talked about iMovie you know iMovie for them solved a technical problem which is hard drives are growing and we need to figure out how we're going to fill hard drives so we can for sell computers with bigger hard drives for more money and from the user perspective what the answer was was we're going to go ahead and create this thing so that instead of having your home movies on film or on videotapes that you never watch you'll be able to edit them out and it'll be a crap removal tool and you can go ahead and make your home movies watchable and then idvd will help you burn them and distribute them and ioto will manage your photo libraries and and it'll be your digital life right they were solving problems that people weren't even necessarily sure that they needed solved until they saw them and went oh yeah that's me and with entertainment it's not exactly a problem problem is Dickinson supposed to solve but it's well and for how many people is Dickinson supposed to solve it what problem have I got that I don't know I'm very much looking forward to modern language period piece with that's not historically based on anything at all um solve well if you like period pieces and you want something that's easily digestible that's kind of fluff without having to think too hard and yet might be fun well we C let's be careful to in uh I don't know what problem cuton candy has maned to solve in my life I well it's it's fast simple sugar and delight and it's like clouds on your tongue that's cotton candy it's fun and meaningless and completely without any nutritional value and I think Dickinson is about the same problem so what problem is it supposed to solve it's pleasure it's pleasurable that's it and people need pleasure in their lives how does that compare to ability to record home movies and edited which is an an activity providing pleasure as the result yes making it easy to make things watchable and make them enjoyable again not quite the same level each one of shows going to Sol more than For All Mankind how do I look at those two shows and decide that one's going to be the hit because that one solves a problem who is the audience for that who has that whole their lives that needs to be filled by that 40-minute segment of video who's going to take pleasure from that and how exactly do you expect Apple to know that and how exactly do you account for Gigantic films failing why were the Star Wars prequels so badly received uh when everything about them is exactly what everybody wanted no no no no they they well first of all because they didn't succeed we can draw the conclusion that they were not exactly what everyone wanted second of all they they fail the prequels failed because they spent more time on artificial characters and and things like that and changing the mythology of the the way that the force worked the way that the characters let go back to the first it basically broke people's impress what problem did that solve that solved the the problem that in the 70s cowboy movies were pretty much kind of gone and you needed an epic story and there were no epic stories back at that being produced at that time so this was a fun cowboy movie in space adventure and it filled that missing Adventure Gap that why didn't 20th Century Fox think we've got it this is what we needed there's a problem this will solve it and instead they were pretty desperately trying to uh get save themselves from potential losses nobody knows which is some we do know that that until the the last edits were made on it that movie was in in great danger of not telling the story well it was it was falling apart in shooting and Lucas was was having nightmares and Spielberg was trying to help him figure it out and it was Lucas's wife who edited the thing back into a sensible story well there were three editors but Marcy Lucas was absolutely fundamental to it yes except I don't understand uh you're saying uh in advance people knew there was going to be a problem that this film would solve and then they solved it and no they don't they don't know that you canot it's not quite as smooth as all that but but obviously they accepted the pitch yes and then found the budget and they were committed to it and we're talking specifically about Fox but why didn't Paramount take it originally or Universal uh why was Fox the only firm because because there's a great hesitance there's a great great hesitance both in product and in film where there are people who want to only do the thing that's already been done and proved Successful by someone else and maybe do it a slightly bit different or a slightly bit better right there let me let me say this when Inception came out years ago Inception was a fantastic film it was and it was in many ways a risk because it was a sci-fi film at a time when people thought sci-fi had been done and they needed to take a break from sci-fi films and weren't going to have any for a while and people thought oh my gosh because Inception was so successful this means we'll get more sci-fi films but the answer was no that that the studios retreated to only accepting safe pitches again so you're saying that the studios who make all of these films uh decided what was needed and were wrong happens okay yeah this is my point it always happens it cannot fail so the the thing that happens is people try and play it sa with playing it safe is not necessar every show on Apple TV plus could die a death on the first night I don't think it will but it is of course possible so anytime you get a second run of something it is a gamble there are lots of shows that actually behind the scenes got a two season order as part of their original commitment and the studio badly regretted it l oh yeah um there are just too many there are shows that get canel after their fifth episode there are shows that go away very very soon but nothing what's the show where the producer said the ratings were so bad he was cancelled uh in the ad break in the first episode so but nothing good happens without taking a risk but you cannot have both ways you cannot tell me that it's a risk and that Apple knows what will go one calculated risks they are calculated risks so which way do you want to pull this that it's a risk or that they know I just telling me it's calculated it feels like you're trying to sit in the middle of two things no obviously they're not going to go ahead and throw all this money unless they've done things to balance it in their favor and part of that is by the talent they attract and part of it is by the story they want to tell and you know we saw reports as they were going through this about the different stories and how there were problems with the morning show or there were problems with the Amazing Stories and and things like this and that's partly because they were trying to make sure that they knew that they were targeting who they wanted to Target and that they could try and balance it in their favor and the makers of Sunnyside for example which I think was if not the first show canceled this season was well up there um they didn't uh think about who it was going to be aimed at or for how many shows uh that's premiered to Big publicity in September in the states will not make it to January and we'll have a mid-season replacement and actually the number is fewer than it used to be because there are a fewer new shows on network TV I think we've worn the subject out we we've riled you up we've got you excited we've got we worn this out okay right what what what can I say I launching every product is a risk right launching the Apple watch was a risk clearly it's been a successful feel like you're trying to argue my side of it yes it has yes and I really seriously hope Apple TV plus is because I think some of those programs look great I'm really looking forward to them I just I know you don't know all right a couple episodes back you and I talked about airdrop and Ultra wide band Yes you explained to me how that would uh be the start of much bigger things well um curiously Malcolm Owen wrote about a patent application that was published on the US patent and trademark office site where Apple's filing for electronic devices with motion sensing and angle of arrival detection circuitry so basically they're trying to determine they're they're covering how a system can determine the angle of arrival of signals transmitted by a nearby device which means directionality which means things like finding lost items means taking into account user motion it means factoring all of this in so it can locate an item in 3D space they can also tell which way the iPhone is holding is being held so and which way it's oriented relative to a nearby device astounding okay well it's it sounds astounding I'm very conscious the last couple of weeks uh I was standing up in an archive for 6 hours motionless scanning about a thousand documents and at some point through my watch decided to tell me I'd achieved my motion goal so I'm not convinced but I like of let me say a little bit of this besides finding lost item which is easily understandable what is the point of being able what could you do for example if you had iPhones that were aware of how they were arranged with other devices end to end side by side whatever all right I'm sorry I'm suddenly picturing those videos you had with a dozen iPads together all knowing where they all were and stuff okay yes so if you had a dozen iPads laid out in a rectangle on a table and they all knew where they were in relation to each other then you could use them as a multi- iPad display and and just like we used to have walls of TVs and shops playing videos you could have all the iPads automatically know how they were oriented and have the video play correctly on them in slices right sliced up between all the screens you could do something like that not that that's an important action but it's certainly possible with something like this where the device knows how it is in relation to other devices I'm picturing drinks coasters that know where they are okay s nice um but it can also be used to DET the loation of other devices for data transfer right you could you can you could locate the other device with ultra wideband and then perform the data transfer over Wi-Fi or Bluetooth which is a lot like airdrop except instead of using Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to advertise over airdrop which leads you open to all kinds of attacks Ultra wideband would be one way of advertising H that's true you know and one of the things that I think about is ultra wideband on a much larger scale right if Ultra wideband were a part of homekit then you'd know where you were with inside the home and and have your phone switched to the appropriate room or things like this but furthermore you know we saw this a little bit with with Amazon's sidewalk system where they're talking about using it to be able to to locate pet and and keep things like that inside fencing pets locate Pets in the world well if you can do that with ultra wideband which is kind of where so sidewalk is going anyway then you can create smart cities where it's easy to locate people's devices and Argo themselves within the whole city okay that took a certain turn into civil didn't though okay all right excellent good technology that's what we that's what we want well if you want technology let me tell you about the a13 okay that's a road out of swinford I think it is it is but it's also the name of the processor inside the iPhone 11 so I get mixed up actually when Apple doesn't doesn't add things like bionic on the bionic Fusion what you name it I don't know but anyway so tsmc maker of chips right they're they're saying that they're noting that 5G smartphone growth momentum is stronger than they expected and that they have good reason to believe that they're going to increase their their capex this year and next year so they reported a 13.5% rise in third quarter net profits so their revenue is up um 10.7% their revenue is up to 9.4 billion now is it just me who had to look up what the word capex meant I've never heard it before capital expenditure how much they going to spend okay I quite like capex sounds like a it doesn't sound like a super so now obviously iPhones aren't 5G yet but what they're saying is is they're a to forecast about it because the the rumor is that the next generation of iPhone will have 5G so tsmc chipmaker is investing up to five billion extra AE of those forecasts yes I say it's one of those things where the numbers are just unimaginable can you imagine sitting there thinking you know I think we could spend an extra five bill here and it'll work out and it will okay yes it will it will it totally will isn't there interesting thing that that um uh so you know this stuff so much brother made the apple is going to do its own 5G later later later later so is that actually going to help tsmc remember Qualcomm cuz will it be I I've heard of them so so we settled this whole Qualcomm fight apple and Qualcomm made up and so the the it's it's very likely that Apple use qualcomm's modems for 5G in 2020 2022 is when we sort of expect to see apple develop their own and release their own 5G but presumably that means releasing it in the same way they do the a13 bionic thingy which is designing it but having someone like tsmc if I've got those the right way around doing it so uh tsmc is is sitting pretty well they they are for processors for sure whether they're doing that as part of the 5G or they're just talking about the demand for 5G phones and therefore the demand for processors to fit in those phones is another thing I we've gone through this in the past with all the different suppliers for the different parts who's doing the the flexible printed circuit card kind of thing who's doing the antenna and stuff like that in the past but um suffice to say tsmc is pretty happy well that's nice that's a bit of good news then is it because I've worried about them you know they look so down I want to talk for a moment about Taylor store so the idea that that readymade garments and off the rack sizes have no place in the modern world is is sort of the basis for tailor store right they believe in embracing individualism with a new way to purchase clothing clothes that are made to order and tailored precisely to your measurements and that makes a lot of sense to me because we we aren't all sized exactly the same humans are different shapes and sizes and all kinds of things right I don't know what you're getting at what I'm getting at is is just this notion that you'd go into a shop and buy something that's marked a size and and have it fit right is kind of a weird notion right it makes sense for mass production in the old days so thinking back to this right in the Old Country if you will um 100 years ago everything was bespoke you wanted a shirt it was made it was sewed for you right you wanted you wanted a suit it was made for you and then suddenly along the way we got the site into this mass production and things like this and it it became invogue to buy things in sizes it was more affordable and and it was Posh because you were going into a shop instead of having to wait for something to be made lots of things like that and I think we're sort of turning that around now so so this this 120 year-old's way is coming back but with technology powering it right instead of of walking into a shop picking something off a rack and walking out with it and saying well that's good enough well it kind of fits right you know you can actually have something that fits the way it should so Taylor store has fully customizable dress shirts that start at $59 with options and options and options to choose from for men and women and they make it super easy to get your measurements because this is the thing is no one knows their measurements right and you could pull out a tape measure and try and get it right but who says you're measuring correctly and all this nonsense Taylor store has an app and their app is called size me and you put it on your phone and you balance your phone in the corner of the wall and then you go and stand back in the outline of the person on the camera and it takes the pictures and then he tells you to turn and you tells you to take another picture and so between two pictures a side profile and a front faceing photo they determine your sizes they get your personal measurements and it takes like seconds does that mean they tell somebody my my measurements well only in order to make clothing for you which is kind of a necessary necessary thing right okay okay okay yeah and I mean they aren't sharing it on Facebook they're just sharing it with the seamstress or seamster okay they have a perfect fit guarantee and it's really generous so basically if the shirt doesn't fit as you'd like it to they remake it and they don't care about returns if if you get a shirt and it's not sized right you get to keep the faulty shirt or give it to charity or something like that oh okay right that makes sense okay that then yes I agree that's G that's very good and they are 100% carbon neutral business they're committed to making the world a fair and a better place and it's really great so I did this I got the app I downloaded it I went ahead and I spent I I got way too involved in picking out options for the shirt because they just have so many cool options and I picked out all the options that I wanted and I submitted and the next thing you know like a few days past and I had a photograph of someone in Sri Lanka sewing my shirt and and then a few days later I had a FedEx notification that my shirt was being shipped and just like that so it went from app to me spending way too much much time in the website because I loved all the choices and then next thing you know I got a shirt and it's fantastic and you can get your very own made to measure dress shirt today at Taylor store.com slapple Insider new new customers that's you will get their first dress shirt starting only at $39 that's 50% off the regular pricing plus free shipping with the code Apple Insider so that's Taylor store.com apppp Insider with the promo code Apple Insider see William now you've got no excuse to go out looking the way you do seriously I was having such a lovely time that's okay yes yeah Google anything else you want to I finally got my hair cut does that congratulations so glad for that than thank you it's been a while bit busy that's why got a little long there you know yeah it was actually surprisingly yeah Google made a number of other announcements they had an event on Tuesday do you hear about this yes I'm trying to think pixel 4el um airpods 2 no no pixel buds pixel buds too pixel buds sorry oh well near enough buddy it's pixel buds okay I will remember that now because of the way you've said that um they sound like everybody else's uh but so have I missed something well I mean they're they're of course Google assistant in the earbud kind of thing and they fit in the ear they're a little less uh attention getting than Microsoft's surface buds which look ginormous like platters inside your ears um the pixel buds are are meant to to do the things that they've always done before right which was translation which was the Google assistant in your ear kind of thing and i' forgotten about the translation that is impressive yes well maybe they'll do it a little bit better this time we're still waiting to find out the the first version wasn't that great oh yeah pixel 4 which of course has a three lens camera arranged in a square feels kind of familiar CH can't place it no have we seen that before I don't know some my company yeah the other things that you should know about are Nest Wi-Fi Nest mini and pixel book go so Nest mini is an update to the Google home mini basically they they've updated the speakers they've updated the audio they've got double the bases the original model and they have some audio tuning software to try and produce a full clear sound at all volume levels regardless of the content so they're they're keeping that very small package but trying to make it sound like a bigger speaker okay sounds interesting they've added proximity sensors to detect the user's hand so when you wave your hand at it it'll light up areas where you can tap to adjust volume in the past you just had to say hey Google hey Google volume up or hey Google volume down kind of thing of course the bigger one the the Google home that wasn't the mini you could touch on at a touch surface the microphone has been updated to handle noisy environments better and and the volume of the device changes dynamically based on the background noise level I'm not sure exactly how that means does it mean it gets louder if there's background noise or if it lowers if there's background noise not sure which one you do it probably gets louder a new dedicated machine learning chip included in the Google home Mini offers up to one ter Ops of processing power meaning some Google Assistant queries are handled locally instead of on Google servers with the learning common commands and processing them faster that's actually kind of cool yeah I like that that's that's kind of cool of course my uses for Google home mini are pretty limited and so my uses probably would not be local I I have uh some home automation stuff that only talks to Google that doesn't homekit yet and so I use it to turn on the light and turn on the ceiling fan and adjust speed kind of thing and because that's a Wi-Fi connected device it's probably going up to a server and then coming back down for that command okay well I'm so shocked that you can bear that delay I I really can't I keep working on getting it to be homekit compatible but it hasn't happened yet I will let you know as soon as it does basically what's important to know here is that they've ad updated the nest mini to try and they've renamed it Nest mini it's it was Google home mini now it's Nest mini they've retired the whole works with Nest program so anything that was works with Nest now is going to have to be working with Google home and assistant um so are they trying to get rid of the word Nest well you think that except I think what they're doing is just moving it over to be Google home yeah Google Home Stuff got renamed Nest okay but they've they've they're trying to do some interesting things to make the speaker sound better to give double the base to give better proprietary microphone handling they're they're doing some interesting things there and the device pricing has stay the same it's pre-order and cost $49 it'll ship October 22nd so that's oh that's really close actually is close I'm used to these things most things are being announced at the moment seem to be saying next year or even the year after uh so this one is practically right now right now with better speakers better audio and because they're using chomecast audio as a part of that it could be easily whole house audio if you put one of these in every room you would have speaker everywhere kind of thing and you could group them and do all that kind of stuff so 49 bucks compared to what's a homepod cost now is it 250 or 350 I think it's 250 can't remember and and of course the homepod has a lot more going on in it and has a lot better speakers but this thing sounds better than it has it's it's kind of s it sounds better than it was it was before or better than a right okay cuz I really love the sound of the I believe I'm sure you do but uh you know having having a smattering of these around would be a fast and easy way to get whole house audio I still want to try having two homep pods together uh everyone who uses it says that it's a remarkable difference uh but that would mean getting a second homep pod and if I did I'd probably put one in the living room and then the whole thing would fall apart I'd have to get three h pods and the next thing in I wanted to use them with Apple TV as the speakers but the problem is and I've tried with other airpl 2 speakers is that it seems like you have to repair to them or reconnect to them all the time you know you're your Apple TV goes to sleep you wake it up oh you got to go and reestablish its connection back to the airpl 2 speakers for the Audio I didn't have that I mean I only had it on the H for a couple weeks over Christmas Apple TV it but I don't remember reconnecting at all for it see remember once he got out of s sink somewhere but yeah here's something that's important for those of us in education right the high performance pixelbook go so the pixelbook traditionally is a very very expensive kind of thing and has been a super capable laptop you know they they've pixel books have been like Google's Chromebook history has been here's a Chromebook and by the way it's $1,300 and it's got the very best of everything and that's a nice thing because it sort of shows what can be done with a Chromebook but they're really expensive and so this time around pixelbook go is sort of in this this iPod aish kind of world right it's 13 mm thick it weighs 2 lb which is about the same as a MacBook Air it's got a 13.3in touchcreen like a MacBook Air 13in it's got a quiet keyboard with hush Keys it's a grippable case design has 12 hours of battery life with 2 hours provided after just 20 minutes of charging and it starts at 649 and it's got everything from an Intel Core M3 Core i5 core i7 8 gig or 16 gig of RAM and between 64 and 256 G of storage with either full HD or 4K displays so that is a a super broad range of of um specs and a super broad range of pricing I suppose but what's cool about that is that it's definitely not a crippled Chromebook it is a a real Chromebook and starting at 649 that puts it into the high end of what a Chromebook is for the rest of the market but right there in the middle around where a lot of PC laptops are do you know if they do them in blue do I know if they do one in blue I do not well there you go this the one specification I cared about you want it in blue fine fine yes of course I got a color coordinate I guess yeah it's all right so Google is doing Wi-Fi again in the past they've done Google Wi-Fi and before that they had the um the onhub the Google onhub Wi-Fi so now there's Nest Wi-Fi Nest WiFi is two separate routers one plugs into the home modem and then the other unit is a repeater and basically they are twice the speed and 25% better coverage than Google Wi-Fi which tells me they're using triband radios instead of the dual band radios that were in Google Wi-Fi that they've got they added must have added a third radio and they're doing uh better antenna to get that better coverage a two pack is covering 3,800 Square ft and more units expand the coverage further you set up with Google home app as you would with anything else from this stuff and share a guest Wi-Fi password with visitors you can prioritize devices and the nest Wi-Fi point also functions as a nest mini with the built-in speaker accessing Google Assistant so that's kind of Co it's a shame that it feels like it's it's all or nothing I'm I me most of this it it interests me intellectually but I'm not going to go and buy tons of this stuff because I've got homekit um I'm kind of wedded to the Apple ecosystem and I really like Mac OS and iOS so I'm not going to swap off to everything else it's not all or nothing you can totally use together you can use this with an iPhone yeah have you tried today yeah okay I they whichever wall Garden you get to first you're happy with uh very fed up with uh office and Google I mean you can use this as just a Wi-Fi base and all you have to do is use the Google home app to set it up you don't have to use Google Assistant although it's there you you could carry on very happily using it as just a really good wi-fi system okay it's not like it's a w Garden that you have to commit to it it you just don't have to commit at all the levels okay but once they've got you a little bit of not really some people sure you know there there are some people but that's how all of the stuff starts right you have one piece and then you go get the other thing that works with it like a lot of people start with a Google home mini and then get a chomecast or but you can stop any time outl just Google homing to be um uh What's the phrase to fit in um okay to be sociable that's the phrase you just Google to Sociable be sociable okay now you know Apple arcade right yes Okay Google's got their own version of a game streaming service that's going to open up to users on November 19th I'm truly shocked it's called Google stadia and there's stadia and stadia pro naturally and they have a game controller called the stadia controller uh works with a chomecast Ultra so you can cast your video from your device with your games to the TV kind of like you would with an Apple TV no hang on sorry I I haven't used that apple iade is on my Apple TV waiting for me to try so so if you using Google stadia how would you get it to the TV you'd use a chomecast Ultra okay so I can't just have I can't just buy this service I have to buy a Krust Ulta Ultra I mean to do you could you don't necessarily have to but it's it's a good way to get it to the TV okay well given that I have even clicked on Apple arcade on my Apple TV I personally am un likely to go down this route but I could see the appeal to others yes all right so this one's big news for Americans the FCC approved the merger between T-Mobile and Sprint I no I didn't know this so that's that's been hanging over for quite a while okay so and what their conditions as remember yeah so the the conditions uh were that they had to sell off and and help establish Dish Network as a potential fourth carrier oh yeah yeah so so basically Sprint and T-Mobile could merge but they had to get rid of dish and Dish had they had support dish becoming a fourth carrier okay I'm going be telling me about this now it seemed intriguing it's going to be an interesting thing to merge because Sprint and T-Mobile's technology are very different right um first of all they operate on different frequencies second of all Sprint historically was was like Verizon a CDMA based Network kind of thing versus the GSM based that um that T-Mobile has been of course now that everyone's doing LTE it's it's a little bit better than that but it's still going to be interesting to see how they integrate with with big mergers like this with huge corporate mergers like this I usually want to say that wait a year to two years minimum just because that's how long it takes for them to shake out all of the bureaucracy and the separate systems and actually merge okay it's going to be a big thing but a great thing not well depends right what the problem with both T-Mobile and Sprint is their lack of service map their lack of good coverage and they'll tell you oh yeah no we've got service everywhere it's fantastic but I will tell you that there are plenty of places where they don't and and that's what AT&T and Verizon still rule at is Nationwide coverage and T-Mobile does a great job on on their building story where where their story has been pretty much uh what you see for in the bill is what you pay kind of thing and you know they give you free access to streaming services they don't charge you data consumption for that Sprints has been buy a phone and you never have to buy a phone again you basically upgrade for Life buy an iPhone with upgrades for life has been their pitch and so there are some great things that they're doing but unless you live in a region where it works well it's it's likely to not work well and so their merger will only help um and it will also it comes at the right time because 5G roll out is going to have to start happening so it's a good opportunity for them to upgrade all their stuff anyway to something unified okay that makes sense you know yeah uh iTunes I'm sorry not iTunes Apple released third developer betas iTunes is of course gone in Catalina but but iOS 13.2 iPad OS 13 .2 tvos 13.2 and a fourth watch OS 6.1 build have been released for testing I kind of came off the I went on the beta train very late uh in the cycle and then came off it as soon as everything was out properly so uh what am I missing on the betas what's worth these builds have a few changes right there's the ability to opt into anonymized voice recordings of Siri request submitted for review to improve the virtual assistance accuracy so you can opt in to submit your voice recordings for review for accuracy there are new Emoji there are changes to the camera app enabling users to change frame rates and resolutions without having to jump to settings there you noticed when you pressed and and long pressed on an app in iOS 13.0 or 13.1 that you would see the apps wiggle and get a context menu saying rearrange apps right but there was no option to delete them yeah well yeah okay yes now there is it's it's been added okay um there's also some code that seems to refer to noise cancellation in a future model of airpods I'm afraid to say quite fancy that actually I can think of many cases where that would be useful yeah U but I it feels like I've only just bought my airpods to an hour ago so y listen uh Christmas is coming up um I could sell you airpods too to give to somebody yeah they're British I don't want them uh yeah okay I think actually audio works the same here as there I'm not sure but okay yeah but but it means you know Siri will talk in a British accent be not pleasant okay that's that's not unreasonable it's completely reasonable all right tell me about using dual screens well F if I am using dual screens right now and I'm surprised to be doing it because I prefer a single uh large monitor oh well there's the answer I've just told myself my own answer my monitor is actually quite small um so I tried outside car just to see if it would work on my gear and it did and I found I rather like it but now something else has happened what's happened what's happened Luna display who used to do this there are a couple of companies that did this before Apple introduced side car and basically shlock them but Luna display has come out with a way to do exactly this use an iPad as a second screen or an extension to your desktop but it doesn't have to be an iPad anymore it can be another Mac so I think most of us have older Max knocking around and they could be quite old I have a uh I can't remember how far back it can goes um but you can have a Mac running something like Mountain line and use it as an extended display uh for your Catalina Mac and how well does that work so well uh seemingly given that it isn't out in our hands yet uh at least as well as uh Luna display used to work before it and we have used that we have seen that and it does work well Apple has certain advantages that makes side car better than anyone uh can make it but given that uh difference Luna display is really quite impressive very cool very very cool yeah you know I was talking to someone else just not long ago about using a Mac and side car with their iPad I like the idea of being able to do this with other things including like you said Mac to Mac yes and what a clever way to do something that Apple hasn't yet it's uh and it's also it seems a bit green rather than have my my old MacBook chucked away in a corner I can get it out again yeah and it can live it can breathe as a screen okay it's a very expensive display there you go yeah it's had a lot of use up to now I've got my value out of it I'm just getting more now good well I'm glad I'm glad you're getting value out of that I've gotten value out of this conversation and hope our listen have too if you're out there listening and you got value about thise William William where can people find you on the internet you don't want them to let you know I I am on Twitter as W Gallagher and I am William appleinsider.com and you're going to tell people where they can reach you too aren't you yes in in my secret underground lair in the Andes but also on Twitter at V marks and Victor appleinsider.com I am so glad you made time for this William I really appreciative that you're here and all of you listeners too thank you so much we'll be back next week and ending record of\n"