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**A Critical Look at the Motherboard: Performance and Streaming**
As I delved into the performance of my PC, I realized that the motherboard was struggling to keep up with the CPU's demands. When I overclocked the CPU, I could only achieve one stable result, running at 3.7 gigahertz. This limitation had a significant impact on the system's streaming performance.
I observed that when I was streaming and recording, the game Apex Legends exhibited a bigger drop in performance compared to non-streaming. The difference was noticeable, with the game feeling more stuttery than usual. Unfortunately, I couldn't obtain stable benchmarks for the 3.7 gigahertz overclock, making it difficult to compare the results.
However, when I switched to playing Dota 2, which is a popular game on Twitch, the performance difference between streaming and non-streaming was minimal. This suggests that Dota 2 is well-suited for this system's capabilities.
In contrast, games like Apex Legends require more powerful systems to maintain smooth performance. The motherboard's inability to handle the CPU's demands is a significant issue for streaming, especially when dealing with demanding games like these.
To put this into perspective, I've noticed that games like Dota 2 can be streamed on lesser PCs than mine. However, the PC I'm using does offer some advantages, such as a flatline temperature reading and minimal noise.
In conclusion, while my system is capable of streaming popular games like Dota 2, its performance limitations become apparent when dealing with more demanding titles like Apex Legends. If you're considering upgrading to an 8-core CPU, it's essential to consider motherboard compatibility to avoid similar issues.
**Streaming Performance Comparison**
| Game | Streaming (3.7 GHz) | Non-Streaming |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Apex Legends | Larger performance drop | Smoother performance |
| Dota 2 | Minimal performance difference | No significant difference |
**Motherboard Compatibility and Upgrades**
If you're using this motherboard with an 8-core CPU, it's highly recommended to consider a motherboard upgrade. While future compatibility is important, the current limitations of this motherboard make it unsuitable for demanding streaming applications.
**Streaming and PC Performance**
Streaming is a demanding activity that requires powerful systems. Games like Apex Legends and others can push even the most capable PCs to their limits. However, with the right hardware and configuration, it's possible to achieve smooth performance and enjoy high-quality streams.
In summary, my experience with this motherboard has highlighted its limitations when it comes to streaming performance. While it can handle popular games like Dota 2, more demanding titles like Apex Legends require better hardware. By considering motherboard upgrades or choosing a more suitable system, streamers can minimize these issues and achieve optimal performance.
WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: entoday we're gonna do another upgrade of the YouTube money PC and at this point honestly it's not really recognizable anymore but it's because we're gonna try some streaming with it with the PC we're gonna try and turn it into a streaming PC that was very well put here it is as you can see it's in a different case it looks completely different the reason that I changed out the case was because of the front air flow I was running into temperature issues with that other h17 like the moment that you have more than an APU based system with a low-power graphics card even it becomes too hot so I decided to go for this guy and now we just need to do one thing before we get further into the video which is oh that's always exciting now my main goal with this upgrade as I said in the intro was to turn the YouTube money PC into something that you can stream with why is he taking a dump I mean that's literally what that guys doing now is he's just popping a squat what I think this is a logical next step because streaming is something that a lot of people do now for this video I'm not only gonna show some benchmarks of you know streaming and non streaming performance and some recordings of me actually streaming with it I'm actually gonna stream with this PC on Twitch later today so you can see more or less what kind of performance you're getting in this package now if you do want to see that I'm gonna go live like five or six hours after I actually post this video on YouTube and I'm gonna go live on Twitch so do follow me on Twitter so that you can see the notification for when I go live with this PC and then you can come check it out and hang out and have a chat now before we get into the actual breakdown of the components that I have in here I'm just gonna quickly overlay the specs of the previous system before the upgrade so that you don't have to go back and watch that video specifically to know what the upgrade came from so I'll just wait here for a second now let me quickly run you through the upgrade as far as the CPU goes I went with the Rison seven 2700 now I chose this over the 3600 because a it's a bit cheaper and B there isn't a definitive answer on the internet about which one is a better CPU for streaming specific use cases so I ended up going with the 2700 X because it has four more threads which in my opinion should help because there's a lot of multitasking happening while streaming and then as far as the cooler goes I'm using a reven justice - I did a review on this cooler not too long ago and I really like it one of the best things about it is that it is whisper quiet like really really very quiet and then as far as the graphics card goes I upgraded to a Vega 56 it's a gigabyte card the reason that I use this graphics card specifically is because well I kind of had it lying around and I didn't want to have to buy a new graphics card and I actually think for its price it's a really good option although there are a lot of people that don't like this specific variant of the card because they said they've had some issues with it so maybe go for like a sapphire version instead although the reason I picked that is because it's really cheap in Canada at the moment or when I bought it I upgraded the RAM as well to 16 gigs of DDR 430 200 megahertz that'll make a big difference for just gaming performance because we're moving from 8 gigs of 2666 so that's a pretty important upgrade then I added these sleeved extension cables by BitFenix they're white sleeves extension cables I really like the look of them and they make the case look a bit a bit more fancy the motherboards are the same and the actual SSD is the same as I mentioned earlier I also had to upgrade the power supply I had a 450 watt unit in here before but this graphics cards very power on and go hungry so I upgraded to a 650 watt EVGA unit and then finally the case it's a mesh if I see by fractal design the normal ATX version of this case is one of my favorite cases ever so I decided to go for the smaller one because I really like em ATX I'll do a video about that at some point now interestingly enough I actually had a bit of a problem with the CPU and the mother now they're both technically from the same generation this is a p450 motherboard and it's a Zen plus CPU and there was no kind of compatibility issues but I caught overclock the CPU a lot with this motherboard in fact I can't actually get the motherboard to send more than one volt to the CPU and if you've ever used rise in CPUs before you'll know that that's not very much and unfortunately it's meant that I can't overclock it significantly in fact anything over 3.6 gigahertz I can't get stable and in my opinion stability for streaming is very important and when looking at the actual benchmarks for the streaming results we'll actually see that this overclocking problem it actually affects the performance quite a lot because I left it to its own boost frequency which only takes it up to about 3.5 gigahertz which in my opinion isn't enough and considering that the CPU should easily get to 4 gigahertz that's a bit of a letdown and it means that you may have to upgrade the motherboard at some point as well not just a quick disclaimer I've never actually streamed or used the OBS or any of that stuff before so for all of the settings I followed epochs videos fairly closely and the settings that I was using to stream with OBS was just x264 and I was running at at medium speed and I was streaming at 720p because that's kind of what he recommends is not to push it to 1080p because of the bitrate that twitch has available so it's running at 6 megabits per second yeah at 720p medium and then for the actual recording I was just using the stream encoder for the recording as well because according to a post Vox it's much less demanding on your system now let's get into the benchmarks now I didn't have a huge amount of time to run a bunch of benchmarks compared to the old configuration and I only have three games with streaming streaming and recording and just no streaming at all performance results but the games that I used are very popular for streaming and I think that if it can stream and record pop G at the same time at the settings that I'm using then it can pretty much stream any game because pop G is a real pain in the butt another map that I used was GERD I think I don't really know how to pronounce it but it's the the what the first map the like one with the forest and the PC handled it pretty well while not streaming I was getting an average of 115 frames per second and a 0.1% lows of 66 so there were dips but if you're gaming at 60 frames per second you won't feel it and then when I was only streaming there was actually quite a big drop in fps and I could really feel it the game was quite a bit more stuttering while streaming and then in this specific situation I didn't have any additional performance loss when also recording the stream so it was it was a very similar result now I have to admit these pop G results are actually quite irritating to me because the thing is it benefited a lot from the overclock so I did another set of benchmarks where I didn't have it overclocked at all on the desert map which I also don't know what that's called and this is the results that I got and then when I overclock the CPU I could only get one result stabili running all the way through with the cpu running at 3.7 gigahertz as you can see with the overclock it actually jumped significantly in performance compared to the non overclock on the desert map and that just shows you that the fact that this motherboard struggles with the CPU is actually a huge problem for the streaming performance of the system and if you are using this motherboard and you're upgrading to like an 8 core CPU I would recommend also considering a motherboard upgrade which I know kind of defeats the purpose of the future compatibility of the platform but it's just the sad reality of this motherboard now let's move on to Apex legends performance now apex legends had a bigger drop in performance going from just streaming to streaming and recording and honestly when I was streaming and recording you could really feel the difference the game was a lot more stati than it was when it was running without any streaming in the game was just running normally the framerate wasn't significantly lower but you can really feel it now unfortunately I couldn't get a stable benchmark with a 3.7 gigahertz overclock so I can't actually compare that but honestly even 3.7 gigahertz is a very conservative overclock on the CPU and you should be able to get like 4 gigahertz so if you have a better motherboard you could actually get significantly better streaming performance with this system and in the final game that I did was dota 2 now I did dota 2 because that is actually a very popular game on twitch at the moment and I really loved playing it and honestly with dota 2 streaming is supposed to non streaming it was a very small difference you couldn't really feel it so it's yeah it's it's a really great PC to stream dota with but honestly you can stream dota on a much lesser PC than this Oh Loudon and then I immediately die that's that's terrible oh why is he taking a dump I mean that's literally what that guys doing now is he's just popping a squat what ok now for this stream I'm actually doing 3.6 gigahertz on the CPU and we're doing yeah I mean 52 C is pretty good it's not making any noise that's way better I love the flatline it's one of my favorite guns even though I'm fairly bad with it like it's not I don't love it from a place of me being good with it I love it from a place of like I like the idea of it I I don't know how evident it's going to be on the actual footage but there's a decent amount of starter and stop streaming is really demanding on a system that's like something that you don't quite realize as someone who doesn't stream but it actually really takes a toll like these games are difficult to stream especially considering that these are the kind of games that you'd need really good system performance for it to not be a terrible experience gaming so that's like these really hectic CPUs that you can buy these days like the 3900 X and even the 9900 K I guess those CPUs make up stuff those CPUs make a lot of sense when it comes to streaming for just like normal gaming it doesn't make as much sense Oh know what that was rude I was clearly about to pick that up and that brings me to the end of a fairly standard video there wasn't a bunch of weird dhaba does tech stuff e things in it if you want to see a dollar that's tech stuff e video I posted a tiny PC video on Thursday so you can go check that out if you want to if you liked the video like and subscribe to the channel I do turn on the actual bail notification and stuff like that I've noticed from my analytics that very few people actually get the notifications for my videos so if you want to know the moment that I go that I thought I post a video do that and then follow me on Twitter I will kind of periodically livestream mostly tota honestly over the course of the week when I have time but if you follow me on twitter you'll get notifications for that and yeah I think with that until the next video thank you very much for watchingtoday we're gonna do another upgrade of the YouTube money PC and at this point honestly it's not really recognizable anymore but it's because we're gonna try some streaming with it with the PC we're gonna try and turn it into a streaming PC that was very well put here it is as you can see it's in a different case it looks completely different the reason that I changed out the case was because of the front air flow I was running into temperature issues with that other h17 like the moment that you have more than an APU based system with a low-power graphics card even it becomes too hot so I decided to go for this guy and now we just need to do one thing before we get further into the video which is oh that's always exciting now my main goal with this upgrade as I said in the intro was to turn the YouTube money PC into something that you can stream with why is he taking a dump I mean that's literally what that guys doing now is he's just popping a squat what I think this is a logical next step because streaming is something that a lot of people do now for this video I'm not only gonna show some benchmarks of you know streaming and non streaming performance and some recordings of me actually streaming with it I'm actually gonna stream with this PC on Twitch later today so you can see more or less what kind of performance you're getting in this package now if you do want to see that I'm gonna go live like five or six hours after I actually post this video on YouTube and I'm gonna go live on Twitch so do follow me on Twitter so that you can see the notification for when I go live with this PC and then you can come check it out and hang out and have a chat now before we get into the actual breakdown of the components that I have in here I'm just gonna quickly overlay the specs of the previous system before the upgrade so that you don't have to go back and watch that video specifically to know what the upgrade came from so I'll just wait here for a second now let me quickly run you through the upgrade as far as the CPU goes I went with the Rison seven 2700 now I chose this over the 3600 because a it's a bit cheaper and B there isn't a definitive answer on the internet about which one is a better CPU for streaming specific use cases so I ended up going with the 2700 X because it has four more threads which in my opinion should help because there's a lot of multitasking happening while streaming and then as far as the cooler goes I'm using a reven justice - I did a review on this cooler not too long ago and I really like it one of the best things about it is that it is whisper quiet like really really very quiet and then as far as the graphics card goes I upgraded to a Vega 56 it's a gigabyte card the reason that I use this graphics card specifically is because well I kind of had it lying around and I didn't want to have to buy a new graphics card and I actually think for its price it's a really good option although there are a lot of people that don't like this specific variant of the card because they said they've had some issues with it so maybe go for like a sapphire version instead although the reason I picked that is because it's really cheap in Canada at the moment or when I bought it I upgraded the RAM as well to 16 gigs of DDR 430 200 megahertz that'll make a big difference for just gaming performance because we're moving from 8 gigs of 2666 so that's a pretty important upgrade then I added these sleeved extension cables by BitFenix they're white sleeves extension cables I really like the look of them and they make the case look a bit a bit more fancy the motherboards are the same and the actual SSD is the same as I mentioned earlier I also had to upgrade the power supply I had a 450 watt unit in here before but this graphics cards very power on and go hungry so I upgraded to a 650 watt EVGA unit and then finally the case it's a mesh if I see by fractal design the normal ATX version of this case is one of my favorite cases ever so I decided to go for the smaller one because I really like em ATX I'll do a video about that at some point now interestingly enough I actually had a bit of a problem with the CPU and the mother now they're both technically from the same generation this is a p450 motherboard and it's a Zen plus CPU and there was no kind of compatibility issues but I caught overclock the CPU a lot with this motherboard in fact I can't actually get the motherboard to send more than one volt to the CPU and if you've ever used rise in CPUs before you'll know that that's not very much and unfortunately it's meant that I can't overclock it significantly in fact anything over 3.6 gigahertz I can't get stable and in my opinion stability for streaming is very important and when looking at the actual benchmarks for the streaming results we'll actually see that this overclocking problem it actually affects the performance quite a lot because I left it to its own boost frequency which only takes it up to about 3.5 gigahertz which in my opinion isn't enough and considering that the CPU should easily get to 4 gigahertz that's a bit of a letdown and it means that you may have to upgrade the motherboard at some point as well not just a quick disclaimer I've never actually streamed or used the OBS or any of that stuff before so for all of the settings I followed epochs videos fairly closely and the settings that I was using to stream with OBS was just x264 and I was running at at medium speed and I was streaming at 720p because that's kind of what he recommends is not to push it to 1080p because of the bitrate that twitch has available so it's running at 6 megabits per second yeah at 720p medium and then for the actual recording I was just using the stream encoder for the recording as well because according to a post Vox it's much less demanding on your system now let's get into the benchmarks now I didn't have a huge amount of time to run a bunch of benchmarks compared to the old configuration and I only have three games with streaming streaming and recording and just no streaming at all performance results but the games that I used are very popular for streaming and I think that if it can stream and record pop G at the same time at the settings that I'm using then it can pretty much stream any game because pop G is a real pain in the butt another map that I used was GERD I think I don't really know how to pronounce it but it's the the what the first map the like one with the forest and the PC handled it pretty well while not streaming I was getting an average of 115 frames per second and a 0.1% lows of 66 so there were dips but if you're gaming at 60 frames per second you won't feel it and then when I was only streaming there was actually quite a big drop in fps and I could really feel it the game was quite a bit more stuttering while streaming and then in this specific situation I didn't have any additional performance loss when also recording the stream so it was it was a very similar result now I have to admit these pop G results are actually quite irritating to me because the thing is it benefited a lot from the overclock so I did another set of benchmarks where I didn't have it overclocked at all on the desert map which I also don't know what that's called and this is the results that I got and then when I overclock the CPU I could only get one result stabili running all the way through with the cpu running at 3.7 gigahertz as you can see with the overclock it actually jumped significantly in performance compared to the non overclock on the desert map and that just shows you that the fact that this motherboard struggles with the CPU is actually a huge problem for the streaming performance of the system and if you are using this motherboard and you're upgrading to like an 8 core CPU I would recommend also considering a motherboard upgrade which I know kind of defeats the purpose of the future compatibility of the platform but it's just the sad reality of this motherboard now let's move on to Apex legends performance now apex legends had a bigger drop in performance going from just streaming to streaming and recording and honestly when I was streaming and recording you could really feel the difference the game was a lot more stati than it was when it was running without any streaming in the game was just running normally the framerate wasn't significantly lower but you can really feel it now unfortunately I couldn't get a stable benchmark with a 3.7 gigahertz overclock so I can't actually compare that but honestly even 3.7 gigahertz is a very conservative overclock on the CPU and you should be able to get like 4 gigahertz so if you have a better motherboard you could actually get significantly better streaming performance with this system and in the final game that I did was dota 2 now I did dota 2 because that is actually a very popular game on twitch at the moment and I really loved playing it and honestly with dota 2 streaming is supposed to non streaming it was a very small difference you couldn't really feel it so it's yeah it's it's a really great PC to stream dota with but honestly you can stream dota on a much lesser PC than this Oh Loudon and then I immediately die that's that's terrible oh why is he taking a dump I mean that's literally what that guys doing now is he's just popping a squat what ok now for this stream I'm actually doing 3.6 gigahertz on the CPU and we're doing yeah I mean 52 C is pretty good it's not making any noise that's way better I love the flatline it's one of my favorite guns even though I'm fairly bad with it like it's not I don't love it from a place of me being good with it I love it from a place of like I like the idea of it I I don't know how evident it's going to be on the actual footage but there's a decent amount of starter and stop streaming is really demanding on a system that's like something that you don't quite realize as someone who doesn't stream but it actually really takes a toll like these games are difficult to stream especially considering that these are the kind of games that you'd need really good system performance for it to not be a terrible experience gaming so that's like these really hectic CPUs that you can buy these days like the 3900 X and even the 9900 K I guess those CPUs make up stuff those CPUs make a lot of sense when it comes to streaming for just like normal gaming it doesn't make as much sense Oh know what that was rude I was clearly about to pick that up and that brings me to the end of a fairly standard video there wasn't a bunch of weird dhaba does tech stuff e things in it if you want to see a dollar that's tech stuff e video I posted a tiny PC video on Thursday so you can go check that out if you want to if you liked the video like and subscribe to the channel I do turn on the actual bail notification and stuff like that I've noticed from my analytics that very few people actually get the notifications for my videos so if you want to know the moment that I go that I thought I post a video do that and then follow me on Twitter I will kind of periodically livestream mostly tota honestly over the course of the week when I have time but if you follow me on twitter you'll get notifications for that and yeah I think with that until the next video thank you very much for watching