The CPU Comparison: Modern CPUs vs. Athlon X4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider Performance

Notice that all three of our modern CPUs are pretty close to each other at 1080p at high detail, even with a GTX 1070. Note that this is not max detail; we are still mostly graphics card limited now. This is not true for the Athlon X4 because frankly, it does not have the performance to keep up with modern graphics cards in modern games. This is why I say skip avoid it; it doesn't matter how cheap it is, it's just not worth building a new system around.

However, when it comes to the modern CPUs, let's come over to For Honor and The Division for example. Notice that all three CPUs at the different clock speeds 149, 145, and 151 are indistinguishable from each other. We are still limited by our graphics card. The Division is 108, 105, and again 108 you would have to put in a 1080 or more likely a 1080 Ti before you really started to see very many of these numbers diverge.

Doing a couple of times Grand Theft Auto 5 which is more CPU bound than it is graphics card bound, Rainbow six siege also more CPU bound. Look at that 200 frames per second average in Rainbow six siege at 1080p high detail; that's crazy. The short answer here is by as much graphics card as you can afford for those of you curious Ghost Recon wildlands second from the right if you were to turn it to ultra detail at 1080p with this GTX 1070, it would be below 60 frames per second. You actually need at least a 1080 and really to some extent a 1080 Ti to play that game at all at 1080p at over 60 frames per second; crazy huh.

Moving on to minimum frame rate this is the minimum chart you'll notice something different Rison pulls ahead especially when overclocked 23.7 I've said this in my previous reviews for the past seven months on risin risin is in general not as fast as Intel but it's smoother, it is an amazingly smooth running processor. It handles multiple threads multiple cores and multiple processes very very well remember this is on DDR4 2666. I know some people say risin needs fast Ram to do well; it really doesn't; it does just fine here.

Rise of the Tomb Raider for honor Grand Theft Auto 5 all had higher minimums on the risin ship when overclocked 23.7 then the Intel chip at 3.6 our third chart is the maximum frame rate notice that Intel pulls ahead again in most of these games Grand Theft Auto 5 for example 172 versus 142 even when the rise in 3 is overclocked you can see Rainbow six siege again the maximum 369 frames per second versus 312.

Now to be sure those are kind of silly numbers who's gonna even need that kind of framerate we don't have monitors that run that fast but it's there if you need it; rise of the Tomb Raider so on other games like mankind divided are much closer but when it comes to average and maximums the Intel is often a touch faster than risin but I find rise and does really really well in the minimums and in the smoothness of game performance.

These are both great processors you really will not go wrong with either one of them. Well, there you have it; a whole bunch of inch marks and results gaming and non-gaming I hope that was useful and informative as you could see from the charts the overclocked Rise in 3 1200 is very very close in performance and occasionally beats the i3 8100.

Now at stock speeds it is in fact slower and if you don't plan to overclock I would strongly advise you spend the $20 more to get the rise in 3 1300 X as I said at the beginning of the video it'll all be linked down in the description below but if you are ok to overclock you should have no problem getting at least 3.7 gigahertz out of this using the included cool possibly more if you're okay to play around with voltage or tweak to settings a little bit.

But everybody should get three point seven and again spend twenty dollars if you want to avoid it get the thirteen hundred X and then you don't have to do anything like this video. If you liked it share it with your friends if you loved it remember subscribe to my channel with a big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section.

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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enhello and welcome to tech deals AMD's risin three twelve hundred versus intel's a380 one hundred coffee lake cpu which should you buy these are both about a hundred and ten to one hundred and twenty dollars in price they are both for core four thread processors they both have great performance for casual gamers casual content creators budget pc builds in today's video i'm going to be showing you a bunch of different benchmark charts testing both games and non gaming applications on both of these processors I will show you overclocked performance of the horizon chip because it is unlocked the Intel is not I'll talk a bit about the motherboard choices and the pros and cons relative to each CPU now linked down in the video description below will be links to Amazon and Newegg for different motherboards and both of these CPUs and my suggestions as to what I think you should buy if you're looking to build a budget machine with one of these CPUs first a quick recap on the rise in chip then I'll talk some about the new coffee Lake processor the rise in three 1200 is the entry level rise and 3 processor launched in 2017 four cores four threads it has a base clock speed of 3.1 gigahertz a turbo speed of 3.4 and an xfr speed of 3.45 not much of one there but it is unlocked and on be 350 or X 370 boards such as this one it can be manually overclocked to higher speeds I will show you fixed 3.7 gigahertz overclock results later in this video very easy to do that go into the BIOS set a multiplier of 37 because it's based off of 100 save the changes reboot no voltage changes or anything all on the stock cooler it does just take a few minutes now if you want the performance of the overclock chip that you see in this video but you don't want to go into the BIOS you don't want to violate the warranty you don't want to worry about any instability and you want guaranteed results for $20 more this chip is a hundred and ten dollars for $20 more you can buy the rise in three 1300 X same cooler the difference is it has an out-of-the-box turbo speed of three point seven instead of three point four and it's xfr Auto overclocking that does not violate the warranty it does it automatically 3.9 gigahertz so you will get roughly similar performance out of the box of the 1300 X that you do to the 1200 if you're okay to spend the $20 so you don't have to mess with it it just does it for you automatically by all means if you're okay to go in the BIOS and do it save yourself $20 and get the 1200 please note that none of the rise in CPUs at least at the end of October 2017 when I'm filming this have any integrated graphics you will have to buy a graphics card to use the rise in 3 5 or 7 CPUs sometime in 2018 they are supposed to be coming out with AP use which have integrated graphics but those have not been announced yet but they are expected to be coming the Intel chip does have integrated graphics I'll talk about that when I come to coffee lake but do be aware these do not have integrated graphics now as far as motherboards go most people should go with a be 350 board if you get the 1300 X you can actually go with what's called an a320 but you don't save much 10 or 20 dollars on the board and you give up feature upgrade ability and future overclocking so I would get a B 350 you can get them for Less this one here retails for about $100 and is very feature-rich but you can find be 350 boards between 60 to 70 dollars if you're willing to give up some features I would not recommend the X 370 boards for a chip like this those are really meant for the higher-end Rison 5s and Rison 7s they cost more they have more features and if you're looking for a board like that you probably should buy more processor so really the be 350 is the recommended chipset for any of the Rison 3 chips one quick important point about the be 350 boards it is possible to buy the Athlon export 950 or the new a12 9800 I have those right here yes I've tested them I'll include the a4 950 results later in this video as well short answer don't buy these CPUs they are previous generation 28 in a meter excavator chips if you don't know what that means that's okay in short don't buy either of these white box chips rise in 3 1200 is the lowest and you should buy it is true that the a12 9 8 9800 US have integrated graphics which technically gives you an APU available today on the am 4 platform it's the performance is dreadful I'm not going to show you that in this video but I have tested it in fact the CPUs not in here because it actually is in my test bed skip the white box CPUs Rison is great these are yesterday's technology and frankly it should be skipped now we have Intel's i3 8100 four core four thread 3.6 gigahertz 120 dollar eighth-generation coffee-like cpu yes that's a mouthful this is the first time that the i3 generation has been for true processing cores if you've avoided I threes in the past be aware that prior to this generation prior to October of 2017 these were all dual-core chips there now for courtships so that is a big big change it is a doubling of processing power in addition the clock speed has been increased 3.6 gigahertz on four courses excellent this processor is faster than the previous generations I five four core four thread locked processors not the kate ships that are unlocked but all of the locked in on K processors this will beat now it's not worth upgrading from an older i-5 of the past few years to this upgrade to the new i-5 and I will cover the new i-5 compared to Rison 5 in a future video not here because the new i-5 sr6 core 6 thread that's a 50% increase also brand new for the eighth generation but here we have four cores four threads we have a stock cooler that is more than adequate to cool this processor I rarely saw the temperatures get above 50 degrees rain cool and quiet if you are buying or building a budget machine use a stock cooler it's just fine you may notice that I have a Z 370 motherboard here you will have to get a 300 series motherboard to use any of the eighth generation processors they are not backwards compatible with the 100 or 200 series boards however the B and the eight series the budget boards from Intel have not yet been released I am recording this in October of 2017 the same month that this launched only the Z 370 has come out all of these boards are currently at or above $100 you can find these for 60 to 70 these are over a hundred there are B and H boards beef 360 and H 370 boards that will come in early 2018 if you're not ready to upgrade just yet but maybe you're watching this in early 2018 there will at some point be under $100 boards available yes you can overclock on a z-series board no you can't overclock this because it is not a ketchup if you want to overclock if you want to get really high performance but you really only need four cores not to worry intel's got you covered the i3 8350 k4 gigahertz out of the box it does not come with a cooler please note like this does because you need to provide your own cooling but this will easily overclock to four point seven gigahertz or beyond many of you will get five gigahertz is it worth it maybe that's a topic I'll cover in a future video and the results for this are not in this video and here's why this is one hundred and eighty dollars this is actually ten dollars more expensive than the rise in thrive fork or eight thread processors I will compare this to the risin 5 1400 and 1500 X in a future video but the price of this puts it out of contention with the rise in 3-series chips this will be compared to risin 5 in a future video one advantage of buying a Z board today even if you're buying a locked processor is future upgrade ability perhaps either later in the eighth generation or perhaps ninth generation which I fully expect to work on these because Intel usually has two generations per board and worth the start of a new generation you could upgrade to a higher performance k processor and overclock it in the future so perhaps you're not ready to spend a lot of money today you're on a budget you can spend 120 to 150 dollars on a nice quality mid-range z board by this budget processor and then in a year or two upgrade to a higher-end K chip and you don't have to change your motherboard so if you need to do your system in stages that is one benefit of a higher-end board today speaking of upgrade ability it would only be fair to talk about that on AMD side as well AMD has promised four years of upgrade ability for the am 4 platform what that means is you should be able to buy this today use your CPU use it for the next three years and then upgrade to whatever the then newest rise in CPU is at that time and still install it on your existing B 350 or X 370 board that is definitely a plus 1 for AMD / Intel who replaces their mother socket every two years so half the upgradability timeframe of AMD I mentioned before the integrated graphics this is definitely a plus one on the Intel side while the integrated graphics in here is not good enough for Triple A games you're not going to be playing Ghost Recon wildlands on this processor without a dedicated graphics card you could absolutely play overwatch League of Legends World of Tanks rainbow succeeds will run on this you can play a variety of those type of games and of course it'll do everything in Windows without a problem saving you the cost of adding a graphics card so if you're on a budget buy a premium motherboard an entry-level CPU upgrade to a faster graphics card or a graphics card at all in the future and then in the next two years you can always upgrade the CPU to a six or possibly more core chip in the future because you've got the Z series board now I mentioned before that AMD will be coming out with an APU that comes with integrated graphics with the Zen cores sometime next year probably right around the time that the budget boards from Intel come along so what you may end up with is a hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty dollar budget chip with an integrated graphics sometime in 2018 and then there'll be $70 Intel boards to go along with their chips so those will probably cancel each other out not to worry when it comes I will review it one question worth considering is what do you have to be upgrading from to make either of these worth considering in other words what is your current machine need to be how old does it need to be in what processor would I consider either of these to be upgrades to now first of all let me be clear if you have any of the FX based processors from AMD over the past five years the FX 6300 or 8300 or anything in those series I really don't think either of these as much of an upgrade in some respects they're faster but in others they're not because of fewer threads likewise from Intel if you have any of the i5 or i7 processors from the past six years going back to second generation Sandy Bridge these aren't much of an upgrade the i5 SR all four core four threads these are four core four threads are these faster than a three or four year old i5 yes not by much to be honest it's a very very minor upgrade if you haven't five or an FX series processor I would go to at least a rise in five or an Intel i5 processor at a minimum these I would consider to be more of a side grade rather than an upgrade from those on the other hand do you have an older athlon x4 or even x2 processor do you have one of AMD's a eight or a ten ap use from the previous generation do you have an i3 Pentium or Celeron chip from Intel those are all two core chips yes these would be an upgrading yes than they are worth considering depending upon what you're doing so if you're in one of those older CPUs or lower end CPUs these could very well be a substantial upgrade now as I said before I will show you the best of the best of the Athlon series the athlon x4 in the benchmark charts in just a minute and as you'll see both of these processors completely crush it all of the chips that you're gonna find from the older generation the Pentiums the seller ons all the athlon x4 's will be no faster than that or slower than that so essentially these are big upgrades just not from like an FX 6300 or an i-5 if you have those again I 5 or Rison 5 at a minimum I mentioned at the beginning of this video casual gaming casual content creation basic budget PC use these absolutely will play many current triple-a games rise of the Tomb Raider Ghost Recon wildlands will in fact play and play reasonably well on these chips but we are at the very very end of 4 cores and 4 threads being enough for triple-a gaming we are rapidly approaching the time where that really doesn't provide enough to handle it anymore it does kind of sort of today but we are at the tail end of it if you are interested in buying a processor for the next three years and triple-a gaming battlefield 1 Call of Duty World War 2 Mass Effect Andromeda if you want to play those games and i-5 or arisin 5 would be the minimum CPU I'd suggest they do cost a bit more but not that much more and they're gonna provide you with a smoother experience now for the next 18 months let me be clear they're not necessarily going to be a faster experience in term of average and max frame rates what they will do is uplift your minimums they will smooth out the frame delivery those extra threads from the risin 5 and i-5 chips don't necessarily make the game run faster that make it run smoother they reduce the hitching in the stutters and they produce smoother frame pacing so if you've got an extra fifty to seventy dollars the risin 5 and i-5 chips for triple-a gaming are much better choices but you can get by with these for the time being I have in fact played Ghost Recon wildlands on both of these it does stutter a bit it does hitch of it is not a smooth I can tell the difference but it is in fact completely playable if you're on a tight budget you got a wait a year before you can get better you can get by with these four triple-a gaming for a year so one last point then we'll get to the benchmarks if you're looking at this going this is a hundred hour motherboard and you've been talking about 60 to 70 dollar motherboards what's the deal here now this isn't meant to be a motherboard comparison but I do want to point something out this is a $70 motherboard this is an MSI gaming pro motherboard and it is about 30% less expensive than this one what's the difference well it's not because this is as rockin this is MSI asrock makes 60 to 70 dollar boards as well and MSI makes hundred hour boards the difference is two Ram slots versus four no crossfire support AMD's crossfire support this is missing some additional features the audio chip is going to be of lower quality too compared to a board such as this oftentimes the the land chip is not quite as good the power delivery components on these budget boards are often not as good none of that really matters for a rise in three CPU you're not going to be pulling enough power or doing enough with this for the differences to make a big difference to most people if you think you might want to upgrade in the next couple of years if you think you'll use this for a year or two and then go to a rise in five or Rison seven you might want to spend the extra thirty dollars now to get yourself a board with four Ram slots and better power delivery and more expansion capabilities and more ports on it it is a little bit more money now but you do get a more capable board but you can get less expensive boards which you currently can't do on Intel at least until early 2018 okay enough with the comparison and talking let's take a look at some benchmarks the first test I want to show is PC mark 10 this is a free download you can run on your own machine it takes 20 to 30 minutes and it tests everything everything from basic Word document editing to spreadsheets to image editing to web browsing to video conferencing it's a very thorough test of everything that you might do on a modern Windows machine the Intel i3 8100 is about 22% faster than a stock rise in 312 hundred this is largely due to the clock speed overclock horizon 3 1202 3.7 gigahertz and that drops to 12% as I said before if you want the red bar the overclocked performance without having to worry about overclocking by that spend $20.00 more get the rise in 3 1300 X and that's about the performance you'll get plus or minus a few percent as promised the purple bar is the athlon x4 950 I've previously covered that CPU don't buy one it's performance really is dreadful in fact this makes it look better than it really is it is night and day if you have an older F on X 4 or even x2 or a core to anything or an old Pentium or Celeron chip those will all generally be even slower than this making these new 4 core chips worth upgrading to either Rison 3 or the i3 they're both great next up we have CPU Z another free utility you can download run the built-in benchmark these were run with 1.8 dot 1 important because the benchmark results change with version numbers you can see here that once you overclock a rise in 3 to 3.7 gigahertz or use the 1300 X then both the single and multi-threaded performance between the i3 8100 and the rise in 3 is almost identical notice that a rise in 3 1200 at stock does dip below it which is why I suggest overclocking it or spending the $20.00 and then this shows the true performance potential of the athlon x4 950 which frankly is pretty bad next up we have Cinebench r15 the multi-threaded CPU bench as well as the opengl test now the exact same graphics card was in both machines making the graphics comparisons exactly comparable notice we have 604 points versus 569 points with the rise in 3 1200 over locked and then a noticeable drop when it's running at stock speeds now yes the i3 does win here and the i3 really is in some respects ten to fifteen percent faster than the rise in three when overclocked but this is a fairly minor difference especially when offset by the fact that you can buy much less expensive boards for the rise in three at least in October 2017 when I'm recording this when there's $70 boards for the i3 this will be offset a bit but yes the i3 is a bit faster but not by much 7-zip is a file compression decompression utility with a built in benchmark basically take your files make them smaller and then open them up to make them bigger again the one really interesting result here is the athlon x4 did fairly decent in the decompressing test although it was very slow in compressing again you can see here Intel wins across the board but just by a bit once you overclock that rise in 3 to 3.7 gigahertz or use the 1300 X it's really really close 3d mark is a 3d graphics benchmark that primarily uses the graphics card but also uses the CPU each one of these tests does include a CPU component and you can see that reflected in the results here times by and firestrike 4k are almost entirely graphics card bound which is why all the scores are so close but you wouldn't build or buy any of these machines for 4k gaming or high-end gaming or you shouldn't anyway but I do include the results because I include them for all the CPUs that I test now firestrike the one on the far right that is at 1080p and there you can see the difference with the older CPU vs. the Rison and the intel notice that again once you overclock the Rison it's right up there with Intel it's only at stock clock speeds that it's a little bit behind but it's very very competitive across the board now we have group 2 these are older tests sky diver cloud gate and ice storm extreme notice that the spread between the i3 and the rise and 3 splits a bit more especially in ice storm extreme which is a much older test this cpu is far more key here than the graphics card in fact we're really almost entirely CPU bound notice that the Intel chip is faster to be truthful if you take the cost the mother born out of the equation if it's if the prices are equal I would buy the i3 all day long but the reality is in October of 2017 when I'm filming this the prices are not equal the mother boards do cost about $50 more on the Intel side and that does throw the equation off which is why I think for most people the Rison is a great value for the money if however you're watching this video when the mother boards are equal in price when the B 360 boards are out and there's no price difference maybe consider the Intel it's very competitive are you interested in virtual reality these CPUs are VR compliant they do pass the orange room test which is primarily what is used for the current VR systems the HTC vive and the oculus rift the scores over there are high enough the frame rates are high enough that they will play current VR games reasonably well just as I said earlier in the video where the lifespan of triple-a gaming on these CPUs will be quite limited it will be quite limited here as well if you're really honestly spending the money on a VR headset I would hope you're buying at least an i5 or Rison five if not an i7 arise in seven but at least for now in 2017 and probably throughout a lot of 2018 these will work for most of the current VR games now the blue room on the right hand side is a future test no current VR games use it it's completely GPU locked which is why there's no difference whatsoever in the results that's mostly there to provide an analysis of how well future graphics cards run on future VR games three more graphics benchmarks for comparison purposes lots of people use them especially heaven on the left in super position on the right now super position was run 1080p medium detail notice it's really the upon X 4 that falls apart here the others are all pretty much graphics card bound just going to show that if you are playing anything that is graphics card limited the CPU matters far less than the graphics card does the second page for these tests they you also give a numerical score which I'm including here for reference so you can compare these two other CPUs and other reviewers all three of these benchmarks are free to download free to use run them on your own machine and see how much faster or slower these are compared to your computer finally we come to the game eight games tested 1080p high detail this is the average framerate chart in just a minute I'm gonna show you minimum and then maximum we have a new chart layout in this video it's different than my previous comparisons what I've done is separated out average minimum min max into separate charts so that I can put all of the results next to each other for easier comparison for example rise of the Tomb Raider the blue bar is the i3 8100 the red bar is the rise in three 1200 stock the yellow bar is the rise in three 1200 overclocked and the grey bar is the athlon x4 950 notice that all three of our modern CPUs are pretty close to each other this is because at 1080p at high detail even with a gtx 1070 note this is not max detail we are still mostly graphics card limited now this is not true for the athlon x4 because frankly it does not have the performance to keep up with modern graphics cards in modern games this is why I say skip avoid it it doesn't matter how cheap it is it's just not worth building a new system around but in terms of the modern CPUs let's come over to for honor and the division for example notice that all three CPUs at the three different clock speeds 149 145 and 151 these are indistinguishable from each other we are still limited by our graphics card the division is 108 105 and again 108 you would have to put in a 1080 or more likely a 1080 Ti before you really started to see very many of these numbers diverge now you do a couple of times Grand Theft Auto 5 which is more CPU bound than it is graphics card bound Rainbow six siege also more CPU bound look at that 200 frames per second average in Rainbow six siege at 1080p high detail that's crazy the short answer here is by as much graphics card as you can afford for those of you curious Ghost Recon wildlands second from the right if you were to turn it to ultra detail at 1080p with this gtx 1070 it would be below 60 frames per second you actually need at least a 1080 and really to some extent a 1080 Ti to play that game at all at 1080p at over 60 frames per second crazy huh moving on to minimum frame rate this is the minimum chart you'll notice something different Rison pulls ahead especially when overclocked 23.7 I've said this in my previous reviews for the past seven months on risin risin is in general not as fast as Intel but it's smoother it is an amazingly smooth running processor it handles multiple threads multiple cores and multiple processes very very well remember this is on ddr4 2666 I know some people say risin needs fast Ram to do well it really doesn't it does just fine here rise of the Tomb Raider for honor Grand Theft Auto 5 all had higher minimums on the risin ship when overclocked 23.7 then the Intel chip at 3.6 our third chart is the maximum frame rate notice that Intel pulls ahead again in most of these games Grand Theft Auto 5 for example 172 versus 142 even when the rise in 3 is overclocked you can see Rainbow six siege again the maximum 369 frames per second versus 312 now to be sure those are kind of silly numbers who's gonna even need that kind of framerate we don't have monitors that run that fast but it's there if you need it rise of the Tomb Raider so on other games like mankind divided are much closer but when it comes to average and maximums the Intel is often a touch faster than risin but I find rise and does really really well in the minimums and in the smoothness of game performance these are both great processors you really will not go wrong with either one of them well there you have it a whole bunch of inch marks and results gaming and non gaming I hope that was useful and informative as you could see from the charts the overclocked rides in 3 1200 is very very close in performance and occasionally beats the i3 8100 now at stock speeds it is in fact slower and if you don't plan to overclock I would strongly advise you spend the $20 more to get the rise in 3 1300 X as I said at the beginning of the video it'll all be linked down in the description below but if you are ok to overclock you should have no problem getting at least 3.7 gigahertz out of this using the included cool possibly more if you're okay to play around with voltage or tweak to settings a little bit but everybody should get three point seven and again spend twenty dollars if you want to avoid it get the thirteen hundred X and then you don't have to do anything like this video if you liked it share it with your friends if you loved it remember subscribe to my channel with a big huge red button directly below questions and comments in the comment section and as always please do me a favor check out the links in the video description it really does make a difference Amazon and Newegg for everything I've discussed on here if you found this video helpful and useful when you're doing your shopping please click those links when you go to buy it really does help me out thank you so much for watching I will see you in the next videohello and welcome to tech deals AMD's risin three twelve hundred versus intel's a380 one hundred coffee lake cpu which should you buy these are both about a hundred and ten to one hundred and twenty dollars in price they are both for core four thread processors they both have great performance for casual gamers casual content creators budget pc builds in today's video i'm going to be showing you a bunch of different benchmark charts testing both games and non gaming applications on both of these processors I will show you overclocked performance of the horizon chip because it is unlocked the Intel is not I'll talk a bit about the motherboard choices and the pros and cons relative to each CPU now linked down in the video description below will be links to Amazon and Newegg for different motherboards and both of these CPUs and my suggestions as to what I think you should buy if you're looking to build a budget machine with one of these CPUs first a quick recap on the rise in chip then I'll talk some about the new coffee Lake processor the rise in three 1200 is the entry level rise and 3 processor launched in 2017 four cores four threads it has a base clock speed of 3.1 gigahertz a turbo speed of 3.4 and an xfr speed of 3.45 not much of one there but it is unlocked and on be 350 or X 370 boards such as this one it can be manually overclocked to higher speeds I will show you fixed 3.7 gigahertz overclock results later in this video very easy to do that go into the BIOS set a multiplier of 37 because it's based off of 100 save the changes reboot no voltage changes or anything all on the stock cooler it does just take a few minutes now if you want the performance of the overclock chip that you see in this video but you don't want to go into the BIOS you don't want to violate the warranty you don't want to worry about any instability and you want guaranteed results for $20 more this chip is a hundred and ten dollars for $20 more you can buy the rise in three 1300 X same cooler the difference is it has an out-of-the-box turbo speed of three point seven instead of three point four and it's xfr Auto overclocking that does not violate the warranty it does it automatically 3.9 gigahertz so you will get roughly similar performance out of the box of the 1300 X that you do to the 1200 if you're okay to spend the $20 so you don't have to mess with it it just does it for you automatically by all means if you're okay to go in the BIOS and do it save yourself $20 and get the 1200 please note that none of the rise in CPUs at least at the end of October 2017 when I'm filming this have any integrated graphics you will have to buy a graphics card to use the rise in 3 5 or 7 CPUs sometime in 2018 they are supposed to be coming out with AP use which have integrated graphics but those have not been announced yet but they are expected to be coming the Intel chip does have integrated graphics I'll talk about that when I come to coffee lake but do be aware these do not have integrated graphics now as far as motherboards go most people should go with a be 350 board if you get the 1300 X you can actually go with what's called an a320 but you don't save much 10 or 20 dollars on the board and you give up feature upgrade ability and future overclocking so I would get a B 350 you can get them for Less this one here retails for about $100 and is very feature-rich but you can find be 350 boards between 60 to 70 dollars if you're willing to give up some features I would not recommend the X 370 boards for a chip like this those are really meant for the higher-end Rison 5s and Rison 7s they cost more they have more features and if you're looking for a board like that you probably should buy more processor so really the be 350 is the recommended chipset for any of the Rison 3 chips one quick important point about the be 350 boards it is possible to buy the Athlon export 950 or the new a12 9800 I have those right here yes I've tested them I'll include the a4 950 results later in this video as well short answer don't buy these CPUs they are previous generation 28 in a meter excavator chips if you don't know what that means that's okay in short don't buy either of these white box chips rise in 3 1200 is the lowest and you should buy it is true that the a12 9 8 9800 US have integrated graphics which technically gives you an APU available today on the am 4 platform it's the performance is dreadful I'm not going to show you that in this video but I have tested it in fact the CPUs not in here because it actually is in my test bed skip the white box CPUs Rison is great these are yesterday's technology and frankly it should be skipped now we have Intel's i3 8100 four core four thread 3.6 gigahertz 120 dollar eighth-generation coffee-like cpu yes that's a mouthful this is the first time that the i3 generation has been for true processing cores if you've avoided I threes in the past be aware that prior to this generation prior to October of 2017 these were all dual-core chips there now for courtships so that is a big big change it is a doubling of processing power in addition the clock speed has been increased 3.6 gigahertz on four courses excellent this processor is faster than the previous generations I five four core four thread locked processors not the kate ships that are unlocked but all of the locked in on K processors this will beat now it's not worth upgrading from an older i-5 of the past few years to this upgrade to the new i-5 and I will cover the new i-5 compared to Rison 5 in a future video not here because the new i-5 sr6 core 6 thread that's a 50% increase also brand new for the eighth generation but here we have four cores four threads we have a stock cooler that is more than adequate to cool this processor I rarely saw the temperatures get above 50 degrees rain cool and quiet if you are buying or building a budget machine use a stock cooler it's just fine you may notice that I have a Z 370 motherboard here you will have to get a 300 series motherboard to use any of the eighth generation processors they are not backwards compatible with the 100 or 200 series boards however the B and the eight series the budget boards from Intel have not yet been released I am recording this in October of 2017 the same month that this launched only the Z 370 has come out all of these boards are currently at or above $100 you can find these for 60 to 70 these are over a hundred there are B and H boards beef 360 and H 370 boards that will come in early 2018 if you're not ready to upgrade just yet but maybe you're watching this in early 2018 there will at some point be under $100 boards available yes you can overclock on a z-series board no you can't overclock this because it is not a ketchup if you want to overclock if you want to get really high performance but you really only need four cores not to worry intel's got you covered the i3 8350 k4 gigahertz out of the box it does not come with a cooler please note like this does because you need to provide your own cooling but this will easily overclock to four point seven gigahertz or beyond many of you will get five gigahertz is it worth it maybe that's a topic I'll cover in a future video and the results for this are not in this video and here's why this is one hundred and eighty dollars this is actually ten dollars more expensive than the rise in thrive fork or eight thread processors I will compare this to the risin 5 1400 and 1500 X in a future video but the price of this puts it out of contention with the rise in 3-series chips this will be compared to risin 5 in a future video one advantage of buying a Z board today even if you're buying a locked processor is future upgrade ability perhaps either later in the eighth generation or perhaps ninth generation which I fully expect to work on these because Intel usually has two generations per board and worth the start of a new generation you could upgrade to a higher performance k processor and overclock it in the future so perhaps you're not ready to spend a lot of money today you're on a budget you can spend 120 to 150 dollars on a nice quality mid-range z board by this budget processor and then in a year or two upgrade to a higher-end K chip and you don't have to change your motherboard so if you need to do your system in stages that is one benefit of a higher-end board today speaking of upgrade ability it would only be fair to talk about that on AMD side as well AMD has promised four years of upgrade ability for the am 4 platform what that means is you should be able to buy this today use your CPU use it for the next three years and then upgrade to whatever the then newest rise in CPU is at that time and still install it on your existing B 350 or X 370 board that is definitely a plus 1 for AMD / Intel who replaces their mother socket every two years so half the upgradability timeframe of AMD I mentioned before the integrated graphics this is definitely a plus one on the Intel side while the integrated graphics in here is not good enough for Triple A games you're not going to be playing Ghost Recon wildlands on this processor without a dedicated graphics card you could absolutely play overwatch League of Legends World of Tanks rainbow succeeds will run on this you can play a variety of those type of games and of course it'll do everything in Windows without a problem saving you the cost of adding a graphics card so if you're on a budget buy a premium motherboard an entry-level CPU upgrade to a faster graphics card or a graphics card at all in the future and then in the next two years you can always upgrade the CPU to a six or possibly more core chip in the future because you've got the Z series board now I mentioned before that AMD will be coming out with an APU that comes with integrated graphics with the Zen cores sometime next year probably right around the time that the budget boards from Intel come along so what you may end up with is a hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty dollar budget chip with an integrated graphics sometime in 2018 and then there'll be $70 Intel boards to go along with their chips so those will probably cancel each other out not to worry when it comes I will review it one question worth considering is what do you have to be upgrading from to make either of these worth considering in other words what is your current machine need to be how old does it need to be in what processor would I consider either of these to be upgrades to now first of all let me be clear if you have any of the FX based processors from AMD over the past five years the FX 6300 or 8300 or anything in those series I really don't think either of these as much of an upgrade in some respects they're faster but in others they're not because of fewer threads likewise from Intel if you have any of the i5 or i7 processors from the past six years going back to second generation Sandy Bridge these aren't much of an upgrade the i5 SR all four core four threads these are four core four threads are these faster than a three or four year old i5 yes not by much to be honest it's a very very minor upgrade if you haven't five or an FX series processor I would go to at least a rise in five or an Intel i5 processor at a minimum these I would consider to be more of a side grade rather than an upgrade from those on the other hand do you have an older athlon x4 or even x2 processor do you have one of AMD's a eight or a ten ap use from the previous generation do you have an i3 Pentium or Celeron chip from Intel those are all two core chips yes these would be an upgrading yes than they are worth considering depending upon what you're doing so if you're in one of those older CPUs or lower end CPUs these could very well be a substantial upgrade now as I said before I will show you the best of the best of the Athlon series the athlon x4 in the benchmark charts in just a minute and as you'll see both of these processors completely crush it all of the chips that you're gonna find from the older generation the Pentiums the seller ons all the athlon x4 's will be no faster than that or slower than that so essentially these are big upgrades just not from like an FX 6300 or an i-5 if you have those again I 5 or Rison 5 at a minimum I mentioned at the beginning of this video casual gaming casual content creation basic budget PC use these absolutely will play many current triple-a games rise of the Tomb Raider Ghost Recon wildlands will in fact play and play reasonably well on these chips but we are at the very very end of 4 cores and 4 threads being enough for triple-a gaming we are rapidly approaching the time where that really doesn't provide enough to handle it anymore it does kind of sort of today but we are at the tail end of it if you are interested in buying a processor for the next three years and triple-a gaming battlefield 1 Call of Duty World War 2 Mass Effect Andromeda if you want to play those games and i-5 or arisin 5 would be the minimum CPU I'd suggest they do cost a bit more but not that much more and they're gonna provide you with a smoother experience now for the next 18 months let me be clear they're not necessarily going to be a faster experience in term of average and max frame rates what they will do is uplift your minimums they will smooth out the frame delivery those extra threads from the risin 5 and i-5 chips don't necessarily make the game run faster that make it run smoother they reduce the hitching in the stutters and they produce smoother frame pacing so if you've got an extra fifty to seventy dollars the risin 5 and i-5 chips for triple-a gaming are much better choices but you can get by with these for the time being I have in fact played Ghost Recon wildlands on both of these it does stutter a bit it does hitch of it is not a smooth I can tell the difference but it is in fact completely playable if you're on a tight budget you got a wait a year before you can get better you can get by with these four triple-a gaming for a year so one last point then we'll get to the benchmarks if you're looking at this going this is a hundred hour motherboard and you've been talking about 60 to 70 dollar motherboards what's the deal here now this isn't meant to be a motherboard comparison but I do want to point something out this is a $70 motherboard this is an MSI gaming pro motherboard and it is about 30% less expensive than this one what's the difference well it's not because this is as rockin this is MSI asrock makes 60 to 70 dollar boards as well and MSI makes hundred hour boards the difference is two Ram slots versus four no crossfire support AMD's crossfire support this is missing some additional features the audio chip is going to be of lower quality too compared to a board such as this oftentimes the the land chip is not quite as good the power delivery components on these budget boards are often not as good none of that really matters for a rise in three CPU you're not going to be pulling enough power or doing enough with this for the differences to make a big difference to most people if you think you might want to upgrade in the next couple of years if you think you'll use this for a year or two and then go to a rise in five or Rison seven you might want to spend the extra thirty dollars now to get yourself a board with four Ram slots and better power delivery and more expansion capabilities and more ports on it it is a little bit more money now but you do get a more capable board but you can get less expensive boards which you currently can't do on Intel at least until early 2018 okay enough with the comparison and talking let's take a look at some benchmarks the first test I want to show is PC mark 10 this is a free download you can run on your own machine it takes 20 to 30 minutes and it tests everything everything from basic Word document editing to spreadsheets to image editing to web browsing to video conferencing it's a very thorough test of everything that you might do on a modern Windows machine the Intel i3 8100 is about 22% faster than a stock rise in 312 hundred this is largely due to the clock speed overclock horizon 3 1202 3.7 gigahertz and that drops to 12% as I said before if you want the red bar the overclocked performance without having to worry about overclocking by that spend $20.00 more get the rise in 3 1300 X and that's about the performance you'll get plus or minus a few percent as promised the purple bar is the athlon x4 950 I've previously covered that CPU don't buy one it's performance really is dreadful in fact this makes it look better than it really is it is night and day if you have an older F on X 4 or even x2 or a core to anything or an old Pentium or Celeron chip those will all generally be even slower than this making these new 4 core chips worth upgrading to either Rison 3 or the i3 they're both great next up we have CPU Z another free utility you can download run the built-in benchmark these were run with 1.8 dot 1 important because the benchmark results change with version numbers you can see here that once you overclock a rise in 3 to 3.7 gigahertz or use the 1300 X then both the single and multi-threaded performance between the i3 8100 and the rise in 3 is almost identical notice that a rise in 3 1200 at stock does dip below it which is why I suggest overclocking it or spending the $20.00 and then this shows the true performance potential of the athlon x4 950 which frankly is pretty bad next up we have Cinebench r15 the multi-threaded CPU bench as well as the opengl test now the exact same graphics card was in both machines making the graphics comparisons exactly comparable notice we have 604 points versus 569 points with the rise in 3 1200 over locked and then a noticeable drop when it's running at stock speeds now yes the i3 does win here and the i3 really is in some respects ten to fifteen percent faster than the rise in three when overclocked but this is a fairly minor difference especially when offset by the fact that you can buy much less expensive boards for the rise in three at least in October 2017 when I'm recording this when there's $70 boards for the i3 this will be offset a bit but yes the i3 is a bit faster but not by much 7-zip is a file compression decompression utility with a built in benchmark basically take your files make them smaller and then open them up to make them bigger again the one really interesting result here is the athlon x4 did fairly decent in the decompressing test although it was very slow in compressing again you can see here Intel wins across the board but just by a bit once you overclock that rise in 3 to 3.7 gigahertz or use the 1300 X it's really really close 3d mark is a 3d graphics benchmark that primarily uses the graphics card but also uses the CPU each one of these tests does include a CPU component and you can see that reflected in the results here times by and firestrike 4k are almost entirely graphics card bound which is why all the scores are so close but you wouldn't build or buy any of these machines for 4k gaming or high-end gaming or you shouldn't anyway but I do include the results because I include them for all the CPUs that I test now firestrike the one on the far right that is at 1080p and there you can see the difference with the older CPU vs. the Rison and the intel notice that again once you overclock the Rison it's right up there with Intel it's only at stock clock speeds that it's a little bit behind but it's very very competitive across the board now we have group 2 these are older tests sky diver cloud gate and ice storm extreme notice that the spread between the i3 and the rise and 3 splits a bit more especially in ice storm extreme which is a much older test this cpu is far more key here than the graphics card in fact we're really almost entirely CPU bound notice that the Intel chip is faster to be truthful if you take the cost the mother born out of the equation if it's if the prices are equal I would buy the i3 all day long but the reality is in October of 2017 when I'm filming this the prices are not equal the mother boards do cost about $50 more on the Intel side and that does throw the equation off which is why I think for most people the Rison is a great value for the money if however you're watching this video when the mother boards are equal in price when the B 360 boards are out and there's no price difference maybe consider the Intel it's very competitive are you interested in virtual reality these CPUs are VR compliant they do pass the orange room test which is primarily what is used for the current VR systems the HTC vive and the oculus rift the scores over there are high enough the frame rates are high enough that they will play current VR games reasonably well just as I said earlier in the video where the lifespan of triple-a gaming on these CPUs will be quite limited it will be quite limited here as well if you're really honestly spending the money on a VR headset I would hope you're buying at least an i5 or Rison five if not an i7 arise in seven but at least for now in 2017 and probably throughout a lot of 2018 these will work for most of the current VR games now the blue room on the right hand side is a future test no current VR games use it it's completely GPU locked which is why there's no difference whatsoever in the results that's mostly there to provide an analysis of how well future graphics cards run on future VR games three more graphics benchmarks for comparison purposes lots of people use them especially heaven on the left in super position on the right now super position was run 1080p medium detail notice it's really the upon X 4 that falls apart here the others are all pretty much graphics card bound just going to show that if you are playing anything that is graphics card limited the CPU matters far less than the graphics card does the second page for these tests they you also give a numerical score which I'm including here for reference so you can compare these two other CPUs and other reviewers all three of these benchmarks are free to download free to use run them on your own machine and see how much faster or slower these are compared to your computer finally we come to the game eight games tested 1080p high detail this is the average framerate chart in just a minute I'm gonna show you minimum and then maximum we have a new chart layout in this video it's different than my previous comparisons what I've done is separated out average minimum min max into separate charts so that I can put all of the results next to each other for easier comparison for example rise of the Tomb Raider the blue bar is the i3 8100 the red bar is the rise in three 1200 stock the yellow bar is the rise in three 1200 overclocked and the grey bar is the athlon x4 950 notice that all three of our modern CPUs are pretty close to each other this is because at 1080p at high detail even with a gtx 1070 note this is not max detail we are still mostly graphics card limited now this is not true for the athlon x4 because frankly it does not have the performance to keep up with modern graphics cards in modern games this is why I say skip avoid it it doesn't matter how cheap it is it's just not worth building a new system around but in terms of the modern CPUs let's come over to for honor and the division for example notice that all three CPUs at the three different clock speeds 149 145 and 151 these are indistinguishable from each other we are still limited by our graphics card the division is 108 105 and again 108 you would have to put in a 1080 or more likely a 1080 Ti before you really started to see very many of these numbers diverge now you do a couple of times Grand Theft Auto 5 which is more CPU bound than it is graphics card bound Rainbow six siege also more CPU bound look at that 200 frames per second average in Rainbow six siege at 1080p high detail that's crazy the short answer here is by as much graphics card as you can afford for those of you curious Ghost Recon wildlands second from the right if you were to turn it to ultra detail at 1080p with this gtx 1070 it would be below 60 frames per second you actually need at least a 1080 and really to some extent a 1080 Ti to play that game at all at 1080p at over 60 frames per second crazy huh moving on to minimum frame rate this is the minimum chart you'll notice something different Rison pulls ahead especially when overclocked 23.7 I've said this in my previous reviews for the past seven months on risin risin is in general not as fast as Intel but it's smoother it is an amazingly smooth running processor it handles multiple threads multiple cores and multiple processes very very well remember this is on ddr4 2666 I know some people say risin needs fast Ram to do well it really doesn't it does just fine here rise of the Tomb Raider for honor Grand Theft Auto 5 all had higher minimums on the risin ship when overclocked 23.7 then the Intel chip at 3.6 our third chart is the maximum frame rate notice that Intel pulls ahead again in most of these games Grand Theft Auto 5 for example 172 versus 142 even when the rise in 3 is overclocked you can see Rainbow six siege again the maximum 369 frames per second versus 312 now to be sure those are kind of silly numbers who's gonna even need that kind of framerate we don't have monitors that run that fast but it's there if you need it rise of the Tomb Raider so on other games like mankind divided are much closer but when it comes to average and maximums the Intel is often a touch faster than risin but I find rise and does really really well in the minimums and in the smoothness of game performance these are both great processors you really will not go wrong with either one of them well there you have it a whole bunch of inch marks and results gaming and non gaming I hope that was useful and informative as you could see from the charts the overclocked rides in 3 1200 is very very close in performance and occasionally beats the i3 8100 now at stock speeds it is in fact slower and if you don't plan to overclock I would strongly advise you spend the $20 more to get the rise in 3 1300 X as I said at the beginning of the video it'll all be linked down in the description below but if you are ok to overclock you should have no problem getting at least 3.7 gigahertz out of this using the included cool possibly more if you're okay to play around with voltage or tweak to settings a little bit but everybody should get three point seven and again spend twenty dollars if you want to avoid it 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