AMD B550 Timeline, New Tomahawk, & MSI's Attempt at Cases, Coolers
**CES 2020: MSI’s Latest Innovations and Product Updates**
At this year's CES (Consumer Electronics Show), MSI showcased a range of new products and updates across its lineup, including motherboards, cases, laptops, and even liquid coolers. The event provided an opportunity for MSI to highlight its latest developments and respond to the evolving needs of tech enthusiasts and professionals. Below is a detailed breakdown of what MSI demonstrated at CES 2020.
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### **Motherboard Updates: B550 and X570 Series**
The first topic of discussion was the highly anticipated B550 motherboard, which has been delayed multiple times. Initially expected to launch in Q3 or Q4 of 2019, its release date has since been pushed back to Q3 2020. This delay is reportedly strategic, with MSI opting to hold off on releasing the B550 until Intel rolls out new products later this year.
Meanwhile, MSI’s X570 series continues to be a strong contender in the market, with the Tomahawk variant being particularly popular. The Tomahawk Wi-Fi X570 board features 60Amp power stages and an Inner Cell VRM design, making it a solid mid-tier option for gamers and enthusiasts. Priced at $200, this motherboard is set to launch in May 2020.
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### **Case Innovations: Sakura and Creator 400**
MSI also showcased updates to its case lineup, with the Sakura proving to be one of the most promising designs. The Sakura case features a sleek, high-end aesthetic reminiscent of Lian Li products. However, it has faced criticism for excessive plastic usage and insufficient ventilation. Despite these issues, MSI appears to have made improvements since its initial prototype stage, suggesting that they are listening to feedback from users.
The Creator 400 series, another highlight at the event, follows a similar naming convention but struggles with design flaws. The case’s front panel is overly cluttered, and the inclusion of a plastic door for noise reduction seems unnecessary. The case lacks proper airflow optimization, with only about 30% of its mesh panels being effective due to protruding fans.
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### **Laptop Highlights: Alpha 15 and Bravo 15**
MSI’s laptop lineup at CES 2020 included the Alpha 15 and Bravo 15 models, both featuring Intel’s 4800 H processor and AMD’s Radeon RX 5500M GPU. The Bravo 15, in particular, caught attention with its $1,000 price tag, offering a 144Hz 1080p IPS display. While the laptops’ performance is impressive, their pricing and availability remain uncertain as of now.
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### **Liquid Cooler: Mag Core Liquid 360**
Another notable product from MSI was the Mag Core Liquid 360 liquid cooler. Designed with a pump-in-radiator configuration to avoid patent issues with Asetek’s technology, this cooler features a 4,000 RPM pump and customizable RGB lighting. Priced at $150, it is set for a Q2 2020 release. However, MSI seemed less enthusiastic about the product, which may reflect its crowded market segment.
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### **The TI5: A Showstopper with Mixed Reception**
One of the most visually striking products at the event was the TI5, an enclosure designed for high-end components. The TI5 boasts a unique "Cylon" design, a 2080 Ti GPU, and 64GB of memory, but its $4,000 to $5,000 price tag raises questions about its practicality. While the design is undeniably impressive, the limited ventilation and high cost leave it feeling more like a novelty than a functional product.
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### **Conclusion**
CES 2020 provided a glimpse into MSI’s ongoing efforts to innovate across various product categories. While some releases, like the Tomahawk X570 and Sakura case, show promise, others, such as the Creator 400 and TI5, highlight areas where MSI needs to improve. As competition in the tech industry intensifies, MSI’s ability to deliver on its strategic vision will be crucial to maintaining its reputation as a leader in gaming hardware.
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"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enwe're at the msi booth at CES 2020 and the first question that I had is where's be 550 and we'll talk about that later today but also there's X 570 board will be covering they've got two updates on cases that we saw around Computex of last year when they were pre-production they're starting to come out now they've been actually some improvements to this one but it's motherboard GP manufacturers making cases always kind of difficult territory to tread so we talking about that as well there's a liquid cooler that's it's a liquid cooler not super exciting but the I just ti5 looks really interesting the pricing though there's another point to pain to talk about so anyway we've got a lot to discuss with Atmos I booth for CES 2020 before that this video is brought to you by Linode cloud computing we've trusted Linode as our web host since 2012 and recommend it for excellent technical and customer support reliable uptime and clean interface aside from cloud hosting lynda.com recently added GPU hosting plans for machine learning and neural net use built with our TX 6000 GPUs and 10 gigabit per second network speeds they're also starting to deploy epic CPUs in their servers sign up for Linode comm cloud computing with code G at nexus 20 for a $20 credit or click the link in the description below to visit linda.com slash gamers Nexus let's just skip the motherboard stuff out of the way first there's a new tomahawk Wi-Fi at x5 70 the tomahawk series has actually made a pretty good name for itself so be 450 for example tomahawk is one of the most popular boards on the market period for and the horizon right now and it's a good board so it's earned it so there's an X 570 variant coming out it is going these 60 amp hour stages I don't have exact specs on every V arm component I did try to get them but we know that there's an inner cell six nine two four seven in there and otherwise there's 60 amp hour stages and I suppose release in May two hundred bucks it is a Wi-Fi tomahawk variant of X 570 so it's a bit in the the kind of mid tier mid-range tier pricing these days based on modern pricing anyway so board looks interesting we haven't tested it obviously but the next question I had though was okay well but the B 450 tomahawks are popular what am I gonna get a B 550 and the answer is not yet I've asked a couple of different motherboard partners at the show here the same question about B 515 we've been asking about it for probably about a year now give you the the timeline the original answer to be 550 when was quarter three or four of 2019 and that turned it that was about a year ago from now that turned into quarter 1 of 2020 and now speaking with multiple unnamed motherboard manufacturers that has turned into quarter 3 of 2020 so I don't know exactly when it's gonna arrive it keeps moving I can't really commit to anything but quarter 3 is what I've been told most recently it's supposed to be a response to Intel's upcoming stuff for the well but the 10 series desktop part the non attt parts so I think if you think of it strategically and these probably they're in a position now where much like Nvidia is where they're they're holding their own without needing to constantly release stuff so I almost wonder if Andy's playing the game of you know we've we've released pretty well we're doing fine with B for 15 X 570 we're moving a hell of a lot more than Intel so let's just hold back B 550 until Intel has something to counter so that's I think that's the game he's playing right now or to get getting into some of the mind games with their products now they're in a more privileged position than they were previously so that's the news from P 550 and X 574 m asylees for the tomahawk for other products here so I guess we can do the cases this stuff's fairly straightforward this is the the better of the two the the other one I can't really say that I couldn't use that word to describe it but this one is a secure of 500 P there's a 500 X as well they're pretty similar from what I understand other than RGB differences for the fans it does have a large I don't know maybe inch and a half almost two inch mesh panel on the or side panel side skirt basically on the top and the front there's no front ventilation clearly but there's enough space here where it could be made to work the criticism I had an MS is has taken note of this and passed along to the PM so I hope maybe there's improvement but the criticism I had was that the fans are out side of the chassis rather than recessed inside of the chassis so when you do that it's just like the H 500 P original you're pushing the fans past the chassis wall and that reduces the amount of effective that mesh spacing you have on the side so now instead of having this fall almost whatever 2 inches of spacing the intake it gets cut down because the fans sticking out protruding through it so you go down to maybe 30% instead of a hundred percent and there's fixes for that it's question whether they do them I will say that since I saw this originally originally saw this I don't know if was a year a year and a half ago when it was super prototype there have been improvements from that one so I it sounds like a Masai is being receptive more so than Asus was with their cases where Asus just locked down originally and they were like well we races were the best we know we're doing which wasn't actually true there so it sounds like they're listening but yes sukira 500p the existing on the 500x is 250 bucks they don't have a firm price on this specific model yet comes with for 120 fans vertical GPU mount that you shouldn't use and I think that covers that one the next one there's a creator 400 m over here and this one's pretty quick to discuss so it follows the creator series naming but in terms of case paneling I mean I would rather just have this without the door I think honestly get rid of the door amasai it doesn't do anything so the the canvas here is not a sufficient noise block you'll get more noise reduction by leaving that open and lowering the fan rpm anyway so plastic cover for what's supposed to be a dust filter there's way too much plastic on this it really needs to be cut down a lot so that there's more air for it to breathe then there's space for fans here I think it comes with I want to say it's 2-1 40s front they weren't a hundred percent clear on this but it sounds like to 140 front one one forty rear is most likely to configuration and there's some side venting here which actually you would come in so it would get used but again you're probably 70 but if we calculated the surface area and subtracted the holes it's probably 70% plastic needs a lot of improvement open this up and then you get some more weird stuff so the I keep getting shocked everywhere because it's carpet in this room the fan mounts on the top of the power supply shroud there's holes drilled four screws obviously go through for the fans maybe our holes punched for ventilation but the ventilation doesn't proceed all the way to where the screw hole is so it's gonna end up cutting off like between that side and the other side 10-15 percent of the service area where the fan can pull Aaron and also that's okay because there's nowhere for the air to come in to begin with it's I mean there's a hole in the bottom yes but the distance from here to here you're gonna need like a Delta fans get past that spacing and then you're also going through cables maybe part of a power supply and hard drive cages with potentially hard drives in them so this stuff actually is going to do almost literally nothing just by looking at it so that needs improvement too but this is definitely the cheaper of the cases there's no price yet on it it's mostly plastic I think the good news is that with the this also doesn't close properly that's a prototype the good news is that with a Sakura I saw improvement from when we first saw it so I hope we're gonna see improvement with this because somebody one of these motherboard makers is going to make a properly good case at some point eventually ACS can't seem to figure it out maybe MSI can do it gigabyte sure as hell doesn't know what they're doing with their making cases so MSI I think has been listening enough to maybe get something done with cases the Sakura is looking the most promising for sure it's kind of got that Lian Li like high-end look to it so we'll see where it goes but that covers the cases for the four am aside tomahawk again looks good I guess we could talk laptops briefly those are interesting right now with the 4000 series of rise in CPUs on mobile so for laptops they've got an alpha 15 Bravo 15 they're both 15 inch models the Bravo 15 especially about $1,000 model from one we saw at the show floor it is a 4800 H in there 16 gigabytes of memory 5500 M mobile radeon GPU was pretty interesting we haven't seen the mobile GPUs yet as I'll show other than that the price almost sounds maybe too good so I'm not sure on that but that is I was told 1080p 144 Hertz IPS precinct for the display and I don't have a firm T V D or a rival date on that I guess I the arrival date is TBD for the liquid coins stuff we've got footage of that too so mag core liquid 360 are its MSI doing what everyone else is doing and making a liquid cooler it looks like a deep pool pump in there where the pump is in the rad so it's sort of where the it's where the fin block is in the radiator rather than in the CV block because then you have patent issues with ASA tech and I there's nothing they can really do about that so MSI is too big of a target a stack would come out for them so the pump is instead in the radiator and then for the I think I might have a firm supplier on that but I'm gonna wait till I can confirm with the pool if it's if it's the company I think they're the sources I think it's maybe mmm MIT boobless but I'm not sure so $150 for the 360 are supposed to be 4,000 rpm for the pump speed I'm sure it's variable and then fans are 500 2000 rpm it's looking like quarter to launch its liquid cooler MSI didn't seem super excited about it so I guess I don't need to be either the I just though is really interesting so ti5 we've got a good amount of footage up as well we can drop in here but it is meant to be a looker it's got kind of that Cylon look to it or something not really quite sure it's definitely telling to go with Cylon on that but very limited ventilation really interesting exterior design there's a knob on the front that's got a screen in it and it can feedback your CB temperature frequency GP frequency GP temperature are the options for the the display on the front center right now they're looking at adding a custom option later kind of like the motherboards and then the dial itself you turn it will adjust the LED mood then you'd change the LED color and software I guess other features that are interesting there's a 5g Wi-Fi card where you can insert a SIM card so I did kind of like that you buy one of those separately anyway but you get a you throw a sim card in there and get obviously pay for a plan and then you get internet I makes more sense for something like a laptop so I'm not really sure what the exact use I'm we're kind of looking at it off camera and I don't I don't really see myself dragging that around writing a SIM card but it's an interesting feature pricing is kind of rough and completely TVD so I think based on the reaction for the pricey numbers it sounds like that might still change because the range I was gone was four to five thousand dollars starting four grand for the TI five and that model 9900 k-y ice so that was the pricing on it 2080 TI for the GPU which still doesn't justify that and then sixty four gigabytes on memory 29:33 but the TVD on if they end up doing an XMP option or something instead quarter three until only at the moment I'd love to see a in the in it because there's super relevant right now but its Intel only presently and otherwise it's it's an enclosure that genuinely looks really cool and I hope hey I hope i'ma so I can figure out how to pull off the pricing it matters more than the ventilation at this point because if no one's gonna buy the mat elation doesn't matter so ventilation looks like it might be workable GB is a bit soft K the rest is fine pricing though that case is not worth two grand and it looks cool not that cool anyway that's that maasai suite for CES 2020 thanks for watching subscribe for more go to patreon.com/scishow his axis or a stored at cameras exit on that top side directly and I'll see you all next timewe're at the msi booth at CES 2020 and the first question that I had is where's be 550 and we'll talk about that later today but also there's X 570 board will be covering they've got two updates on cases that we saw around Computex of last year when they were pre-production they're starting to come out now they've been actually some improvements to this one but it's motherboard GP manufacturers making cases always kind of difficult territory to tread so we talking about that as well there's a liquid cooler that's it's a liquid cooler not super exciting but the I just ti5 looks really interesting the pricing though there's another point to pain to talk about so anyway we've got a lot to discuss with Atmos I booth for CES 2020 before that this video is brought to you by Linode cloud computing we've trusted Linode as our web host since 2012 and recommend it for excellent technical and customer support reliable uptime and clean interface aside from cloud hosting lynda.com recently added GPU hosting plans for machine learning and neural net use built with our TX 6000 GPUs and 10 gigabit per second network speeds they're also starting to deploy epic CPUs in their servers sign up for Linode comm cloud computing with code G at nexus 20 for a $20 credit or click the link in the description below to visit linda.com slash gamers Nexus let's just skip the motherboard stuff out of the way first there's a new tomahawk Wi-Fi at x5 70 the tomahawk series has actually made a pretty good name for itself so be 450 for example tomahawk is one of the most popular boards on the market period for and the horizon right now and it's a good board so it's earned it so there's an X 570 variant coming out it is going these 60 amp hour stages I don't have exact specs on every V arm component I did try to get them but we know that there's an inner cell six nine two four seven in there and otherwise there's 60 amp hour stages and I suppose release in May two hundred bucks it is a Wi-Fi tomahawk variant of X 570 so it's a bit in the the kind of mid tier mid-range tier pricing these days based on modern pricing anyway so board looks interesting we haven't tested it obviously but the next question I had though was okay well but the B 450 tomahawks are popular what am I gonna get a B 550 and the answer is not yet I've asked a couple of different motherboard partners at the show here the same question about B 515 we've been asking about it for probably about a year now give you the the timeline the original answer to be 550 when was quarter three or four of 2019 and that turned it that was about a year ago from now that turned into quarter 1 of 2020 and now speaking with multiple unnamed motherboard manufacturers that has turned into quarter 3 of 2020 so I don't know exactly when it's gonna arrive it keeps moving I can't really commit to anything but quarter 3 is what I've been told most recently it's supposed to be a response to Intel's upcoming stuff for the well but the 10 series desktop part the non attt parts so I think if you think of it strategically and these probably they're in a position now where much like Nvidia is where they're they're holding their own without needing to constantly release stuff so I almost wonder if Andy's playing the game of you know we've we've released pretty well we're doing fine with B for 15 X 570 we're moving a hell of a lot more than Intel so let's just hold back B 550 until Intel has something to counter so that's I think that's the game he's playing right now or to get getting into some of the mind games with their products now they're in a more privileged position than they were previously so that's the news from P 550 and X 574 m asylees for the tomahawk for other products here so I guess we can do the cases this stuff's fairly straightforward this is the the better of the two the the other one I can't really say that I couldn't use that word to describe it but this one is a secure of 500 P there's a 500 X as well they're pretty similar from what I understand other than RGB differences for the fans it does have a large I don't know maybe inch and a half almost two inch mesh panel on the or side panel side skirt basically on the top and the front there's no front ventilation clearly but there's enough space here where it could be made to work the criticism I had an MS is has taken note of this and passed along to the PM so I hope maybe there's improvement but the criticism I had was that the fans are out side of the chassis rather than recessed inside of the chassis so when you do that it's just like the H 500 P original you're pushing the fans past the chassis wall and that reduces the amount of effective that mesh spacing you have on the side so now instead of having this fall almost whatever 2 inches of spacing the intake it gets cut down because the fans sticking out protruding through it so you go down to maybe 30% instead of a hundred percent and there's fixes for that it's question whether they do them I will say that since I saw this originally originally saw this I don't know if was a year a year and a half ago when it was super prototype there have been improvements from that one so I it sounds like a Masai is being receptive more so than Asus was with their cases where Asus just locked down originally and they were like well we races were the best we know we're doing which wasn't actually true there so it sounds like they're listening but yes sukira 500p the existing on the 500x is 250 bucks they don't have a firm price on this specific model yet comes with for 120 fans vertical GPU mount that you shouldn't use and I think that covers that one the next one there's a creator 400 m over here and this one's pretty quick to discuss so it follows the creator series naming but in terms of case paneling I mean I would rather just have this without the door I think honestly get rid of the door amasai it doesn't do anything so the the canvas here is not a sufficient noise block you'll get more noise reduction by leaving that open and lowering the fan rpm anyway so plastic cover for what's supposed to be a dust filter there's way too much plastic on this it really needs to be cut down a lot so that there's more air for it to breathe then there's space for fans here I think it comes with I want to say it's 2-1 40s front they weren't a hundred percent clear on this but it sounds like to 140 front one one forty rear is most likely to configuration and there's some side venting here which actually you would come in so it would get used but again you're probably 70 but if we calculated the surface area and subtracted the holes it's probably 70% plastic needs a lot of improvement open this up and then you get some more weird stuff so the I keep getting shocked everywhere because it's carpet in this room the fan mounts on the top of the power supply shroud there's holes drilled four screws obviously go through for the fans maybe our holes punched for ventilation but the ventilation doesn't proceed all the way to where the screw hole is so it's gonna end up cutting off like between that side and the other side 10-15 percent of the service area where the fan can pull Aaron and also that's okay because there's nowhere for the air to come in to begin with it's I mean there's a hole in the bottom yes but the distance from here to here you're gonna need like a Delta fans get past that spacing and then you're also going through cables maybe part of a power supply and hard drive cages with potentially hard drives in them so this stuff actually is going to do almost literally nothing just by looking at it so that needs improvement too but this is definitely the cheaper of the cases there's no price yet on it it's mostly plastic I think the good news is that with the this also doesn't close properly that's a prototype the good news is that with a Sakura I saw improvement from when we first saw it so I hope we're gonna see improvement with this because somebody one of these motherboard makers is going to make a properly good case at some point eventually ACS can't seem to figure it out maybe MSI can do it gigabyte sure as hell doesn't know what they're doing with their making cases so MSI I think has been listening enough to maybe get something done with cases the Sakura is looking the most promising for sure it's kind of got that Lian Li like high-end look to it so we'll see where it goes but that covers the cases for the four am aside tomahawk again looks good I guess we could talk laptops briefly those are interesting right now with the 4000 series of rise in CPUs on mobile so for laptops they've got an alpha 15 Bravo 15 they're both 15 inch models the Bravo 15 especially about $1,000 model from one we saw at the show floor it is a 4800 H in there 16 gigabytes of memory 5500 M mobile radeon GPU was pretty interesting we haven't seen the mobile GPUs yet as I'll show other than that the price almost sounds maybe too good so I'm not sure on that but that is I was told 1080p 144 Hertz IPS precinct for the display and I don't have a firm T V D or a rival date on that I guess I the arrival date is TBD for the liquid coins stuff we've got footage of that too so mag core liquid 360 are its MSI doing what everyone else is doing and making a liquid cooler it looks like a deep pool pump in there where the pump is in the rad so it's sort of where the it's where the fin block is in the radiator rather than in the CV block because then you have patent issues with ASA tech and I there's nothing they can really do about that so MSI is too big of a target a stack would come out for them so the pump is instead in the radiator and then for the I think I might have a firm supplier on that but I'm gonna wait till I can confirm with the pool if it's if it's the company I think they're the sources I think it's maybe mmm MIT boobless but I'm not sure so $150 for the 360 are supposed to be 4,000 rpm for the pump speed I'm sure it's variable and then fans are 500 2000 rpm it's looking like quarter to launch its liquid cooler MSI didn't seem super excited about it so I guess I don't need to be either the I just though is really interesting so ti5 we've got a good amount of footage up as well we can drop in here but it is meant to be a looker it's got kind of that Cylon look to it or something not really quite sure it's definitely telling to go with Cylon on that but very limited ventilation really interesting exterior design there's a knob on the front that's got a screen in it and it can feedback your CB temperature frequency GP frequency GP temperature are the options for the the display on the front center right now they're looking at adding a custom option later kind of like the motherboards and then the dial itself you turn it will adjust the LED mood then you'd change the LED color and software I guess other features that are interesting there's a 5g Wi-Fi card where you can insert a SIM card so I did kind of like that you buy one of those separately anyway but you get a you throw a sim card in there and get obviously pay for a plan and then you get internet I makes more sense for something like a laptop so I'm not really sure what the exact use I'm we're kind of looking at it off camera and I don't I don't really see myself dragging that around writing a SIM card but it's an interesting feature pricing is kind of rough and completely TVD so I think based on the reaction for the pricey numbers it sounds like that might still change because the range I was gone was four to five thousand dollars starting four grand for the TI five and that model 9900 k-y ice so that was the pricing on it 2080 TI for the GPU which still doesn't justify that and then sixty four gigabytes on memory 29:33 but the TVD on if they end up doing an XMP option or something instead quarter three until only at the moment I'd love to see a in the in it because there's super relevant right now but its Intel only presently and otherwise it's it's an enclosure that genuinely looks really cool and I hope hey I hope i'ma so I can figure out how to pull off the pricing it matters more than the ventilation at this point because if no one's gonna buy the mat elation doesn't matter so ventilation looks like it might be workable GB is a bit soft K the rest is fine pricing though that case is not worth two grand and it looks cool not that cool anyway that's that maasai suite for CES 2020 thanks for watching subscribe for more go to patreon.com/scishow his axis or a stored at cameras exit on that top side directly and I'll see you all next time\n"