The Truth about the all-Electric Porsche Taycan (Mission E)

**Porsche Taycan vs. Tesla Model S: A Comprehensive Comparison**

**Introduction**

The automotive world has witnessed a significant shift towards electric vehicles (EVs), with both established brands like Porsche and up-and-comers like Tesla leading the charge. This article delves into a detailed comparison between the Porsche Taycan and the Tesla Model S, focusing on efficiency, range, performance, battery management, regenerative braking, transmissions, and pricing.

**Battery Management**

One of the key differences between the Taycan and the Model S lies in their battery management systems. The Taycan reserves 12% of its battery capacity for protection purposes, meaning only 88% is available to the user. In contrast, Tesla allows full use of its battery, which can be charged up to 100% when needed. This reserved capacity in the Taycan translates to a potential range reduction. If fully utilized, the Taycan's 93.4 kWh battery could theoretically offer around 225 miles, but due to the reserve, it's limited to 200 miles.

**Regenerative Braking**

Regenerative braking plays a crucial role in an EV's efficiency. The Model S excels here with higher regenerative braking levels, especially in stop-and-go traffic, which enhances its city MPG rating. The Taycan, however, prioritizes predictable pedal feel over aggressive regeneration, leading to less efficient energy recovery during braking. This choice caters to Porsche's target audience, who value the driving experience akin to traditional gasoline cars.

**Transmission Types**

The Taycan features a two-speed transmission for its rear motor, optimizing performance at lower speeds and seamlessly switching to second gear around 50 mph. While this enhances high-speed acceleration, it introduces minor efficiency losses compared to the Model S's single-speed gearbox. The Model S's straightforward setup allows for more efficient energy usage across all speed ranges.

**Efficiency Ratings**

The Model S outperforms the Taycan in MPGe ratings, with figures around 98-100 in the city and 96 on the highway. This superior efficiency is partly due to Tesla's advanced motor controls and firmware optimizations. The Taycan's MPG numbers (68 city/71 highway) highlight its focus on performance rather than maximizing energy efficiency.

**Performance and Range**

Both vehicles boast impressive acceleration, with the Taycan Turbo S achieving 0-60 mph in under 2.5 seconds and the Model S Ludicrous in just over 2 seconds. The Model S's longer range (326 miles vs. Taycan's 200) underscores its advantage for long-distance travel, while the Taycan excels in dynamic handling and track performance.

**Target Audience and Market Position**

Porsche aimed to attract existing gasoline car enthusiasts with the Taycan, incorporating familiar elements like interior sounds and analog gauges. The Model S, however, appeals to tech-savvy buyers seeking a clean, modern EV experience at half the price. This difference in approach reflects each brand's strategy in the EV market.

**Challenges and Future Outlook**

Porsche faces challenges in transitioning from gasoline cars to EVs, as seen with the Taycan's reserved battery capacity and naming decisions like "Turbo." Despite these hurdles, Porsche's advanced features, such as active roll bars and four-wheel steering, position it for future advancements that could rival Tesla.

**Conclusion**

While the Model S currently holds an efficiency edge over the Taycan, Porsche's engineering prowess and legacy in performance vehicles make it a formidable player in the EV market. As both brands continue to innovate, the competition promises to drive further improvements in efficiency, range, and technology, benefiting all EV enthusiasts.

"WEBVTTKind: captionsLanguage: enPortia's first pure electric sports car is here the Porsche tycoon and their first customers were actually starting to receive delivery but the Internet has been abuzz with all kinds of comments everything from wow the fastest Porsche ever to the Porsche Tyco on is the least efficient evey ever and today I thought I would dig in further get into the numbers and figure out what exactly is going on we want to provide more context and a better lens through which to make comparisons to the Taccone and to really assess exactly what it means and what it is that they've accomplished here but first I have a special guest today this is the other half of tibi DaVinci that's me I'm Chris and I've been busy for the last several months working to build up our other YouTube channel 2 bit history where we take a look at companies and people in a historical context we just dropped one on Pepsi and we have one on Southwest Airlines Harley Davidson and a bunch of other topics so take a look at it will link it above and we would love for you to support us over there all right thank you Chris okay so the pushed icon is Porsches new sports car it is a pure electric and that alone should be enough for us to say Bravo Porsche good job because this is a car I wasn't sure they would make a couple of years ago Porsche is a legendary nameplate Porsche is iconic and the 911 is one of those cars you don't mess with when Porsche tried messing with her halide design in the early 2000s the amount of backlash they received was so severe that they immediately went back to the rounded off headlights the very next generation so this is a car that's really important to Porsche and also an incredibly important stepping stone into the future of the electric vehicle because if Porsche can make a crazy fast 700-plus horsepower pure electric car then what's really left to complain about so that all sounds great and again bravo Porsche I'm so glad you made this car if you ever want me to have a drive at it and to review it let us know I'd be happy to do that but the controversy begins because the Porsche ty Khan is also the least efficient evie that money can buy here in the US anyway of all the EVs that they're out in the market that you can buy the portrait icon the worst in fact its EPA ratings are only around 68 miles per gallon equivalent in the city and 71 on the highway so what that means is that with its ninety three point four kilowatt hour battery pack it's only able to muster about 201 miles of range and that's for the tyke on turbo the Tyco on turbo s the faster variant dips even further to about a hundred and ninety two miles so this is the controversy part and all the Tesla fans will point and say you see how far behind they are and where Tesla is I think this is entirely true I think what this car shows us is what everyone's been telling us that as soon as the real big boys jump into the e V scene that they're gonna run away with it and I think the ty con is one of the first data points where we can look at it and say that's just not true Tesla is 10 years ahead they've been doing this for a long time and clearly the ty con has a lot of room to improve and to catch up but I'll get more into how to think about that in a second but what I wanted to do today is dig into this further and to figure out if we can't see where some of these inefficiencies are coming from and where the disparity with Tesla and the Tesla Model S in particular comes from so first and foremost I want to compare this car to the Tesla Model S and the reason why is because I believe whenever car companies enter a new segment Porsche has clearly entered a new segment what the engineers and designers are gonna do is they're gonna put a car on the wall that is their target so for example for many many years anybody who was building a four-door sports sedan had the BMW 3-series on the wall that was a target and the engineer's job was make a car that could compete with this one so when the engineers at Porsche were building at ICON was the tesla model asked the target to beat well let's look into that the closest sibling to the Tyco on in the Porsche stable is the Porsche Panamera a car that I've always disliked I've always thought it was ugly and I think what they try to do was capture that 911 enthusiast who wanted four doors maybe four kids in the back and those proportions just didn't translate they didn't scale up very nicely so let's compare the Tyco on to the Model S and to the Panamera and see which one it more closely resembles so the the length of the tie con is 195 point 4 inches the length of the Model S is a hundred and ninety five point nine inches just half an inch difference whereas the Panamera is a hundred and ninety nine inches four inches longer the width of the tie con is seventy seven point four inches the Model S is seventy seven point three inches and the Panamera is seventy six point three inches about an inch shorter the height is fifty four point five inches for the tie con fifty six point five inches to the Model S and fifty six inches for the Panamera it's pretty clear to me that the Model S was the target the dimensions here of the tie con are almost identical to the Model S and a quite a bit of a departure from the Panamera so clearly I think when they were building the battery skateboard and chassis and the drivetrain and laying out the electric componentry I think they realized what Tesla was on to and pretty much mimic the size of the Model S down to a tee the curb weight of the different cars are all pretty close fifty 132 pounds for the tie con between 45 and five thousand pounds for the Model S and fifty to seventy for the Panamera here's an interesting point the tie con with all those batteries is still lighter than the Panamera which is an amazing feat of Engineering I don't know how they did that the Panamera is a bigger car but still that's pretty impressive let's continue this comparison further to see how the the tie con stacks up here if you look at the drag coefficient the tie con turbo has a value of 0.2 to the tack on turbo s has a value of 0.25 I think the higher value here for the tie con Turbo S is due to increased aero packages for greater downforce at higher speeds because the tech entrepot s does have more power and top speed and the Model S here is 0.23 these are all wickedly good by the way because the Panamera which is a really felt very aerodynamic car but it does have a big radiator to cool that gasoline engine has a value of zero - eight so here the tyke on can't be faulted for having bad arrow because this arrow drag coefficient is actually as good or better than the Model S in the turbo package and a little bit worse in the turbo s package but it's right there in that realm so clearly the aerodynamics aren't the problem here the next direct comparison I think is price and I can assure you that Porsche was not targeting Tesla on price because they don't need to Porsche is a premium company they don't make mass-market cars they make really high-end exotic cars that's still in a much lower volume but at a higher margin so here the comparison is almost unbelievable because the Tyco on turbo starts at 159 150 thousand nine hundred dollars the attack on turbo s is a whopping a hundred and eighty five thousand US dollars and this is where the Model S comes in as the bargain of a lifetime at only ninety nine thousand nine hundred dollars so between 50 and 85 thousand dollars cheaper than the Tyco on turbo and oh by the way that was for the performance model asked for the ludicrous no the P 100 D so yeah that that price is pretty killer and just for comparison's sake I also threw my performance model three into the mix I just took delivery yesterday I've been really busy a little sick but videos are coming I assure you but my performance model 3 which is crazy fast and about a thousand pounds lighter there's only fifty six thousand nine hundred so the tycoon is not a cheap car both cars have all-wheel drive dual motor layouts and the tie counter bow has a 670 horsepower total max output while the attack on turbo s is closer to 750 and the Model S from Tesla is around 760 so the Model S ludacris P 100 D is pretty comparable to the Taikan turbo s and these are 60 times you're also pretty close three seconds for the tech entrepot 2.6 for the turbo s and 2.4 for the Model S it's actually a little bit faster which was interesting and my my me choice here model three performances 2.9 seconds pretty great again the big discrepancy here is in the mpg II figure so the tie con again is 68 71 while the Model S is 98 96 that's what we need to dig into a little bit more and figure out what's going on because the battery packs are all pretty comparable the battery pack for the tie cone is ninety three point four kilowatt hours and the Tesla is 100 and from those batteries the range is 200 for the Tyco on 192 for the Tyco on turbo s while the Model S performance gets 326 which is substantially and significantly better so let's start right away with some disclaimers about the Porsche that aren't really made clear and I don't think I've seen anybody else mention it yet but Icahn has a couple of things working against it the first is that 12% of the battery is not addressable meaning that when you charge it and discharge it 12% of the battery is held away from you and you can never use it this was a choice that Porsche made to protect their battery pack to be able to help them better serve their customers and to maintain their warranty in comparison Tesla doesn't do this tesla recommends that you keep your battery between these ranges but in a pinch if you want to go in a long road trip you could charge the battery to 100% and you can just charge it to 0% they don't stop you so if we do a little bit of math 1.12 which is 12% times 201 it's current range that means that if the entire Porsche battery was addressable that would be 225 miles of range so that's the first thing the second thing has to do with regenerative braking to better understand mpge and regenerative braking and how all this stuff factors in let's do a quick little math lesson and I promise I'll keep this pretty short one gallon of gasoline has the equivalent of thirty three point seven kilowatt hours of energy so one gallon of gasoline thirty three point seven fill one hours of energy what that means is that a Tesla Model 3 performance with a 75 kilowatt hour battery pack is holding the equivalent of about 2.2 3 gallons of gasoline 300 miles of range from just two point to three gallons of gas that is why electric vehicles are so efficient and if anyone ever tells you that they're coal powered cars and stuff just stop them right there and tell them look whatever source fuels them they're like three times as efficient with the energy that they use so if we do the math really quickly my model three performance has an MP GE of 110 so two point two three which is the equivalent number of gallons of gasoline that I'd have times 110 puts me to about 245 or 250 miles but my rated range is closer to 300 to 310 so where is that last 50 miles and did they make a mistake well it turns out that last 50 miles is actually regenerative braking so the reason why most electric vehicles and hybrids have a higher city number than a highway number is because as we can stop and go traffic you go a little bit and you stop and you'll regenerate and as a result the lower speeds of city driving plus regenerative braking means you'll have better efficiency in the city so for example my model 3 in the city will go 118 miles per gallon equivalent well and the highway only go 107 miles per gallon equivalent so this should be your first sign of what's going on with the Tyco on Biggs that icon has a mpg in the city of 68 but 71 on the highway meaning their Highway mpg is better if you ever see electric car with better highway ratings than than City ratings that means that the regenerative braking numbers and performance is not that great and the case of the Tai Khan it's not that great not exactly because they know what they were doing but because of their main challenge when building this car the Porsche Taikan is made for people who like gasoline cars the Porsche Tycoon is made for Porsche buyers who have maybe owned two or three Porsches in their life this is a car that is built for people who are not maybe in the evie crowd who aren't really looking for EVs if you're looking for an Eevee chances are you'll take the Model S which is cooler and probably has more evey street cred for about half the money you buy the Porsche because you're a Porsche fan maybe you have a Porsche jacket and clothing and and polo shirts right you buy Porsche because you love Porsche so as a result Porsche has had to build this car to cater to that we're alone and Tesla have said I want nothing to do with your gasoline car when you buy a Tesla get over it you're an electric car we're not gonna funnel in fake noises to give you reassurance of what's going on we're not going to give you a fake tachometer or put gauges in front of you there's none of that stuff we have a clean brand-new paradigm and you have to get used to it in comparison Porsches going the other way they are really hand holding their customers who like gasoline cars because there's a mode in the tie con to bring in audio sounds now it's not quite like a gasoline engine sound but it boosts all the levels of the Eevee's electric motors and it makes it sound like there's more happening it's just it's fake noise that give the user a sense of something happening for anyone who's driven a Tesla or an electric vehicle you know it's that's a weird sensation to go so quickly and so fast without the guttural noises that we've been associating with going fast for so long so people who are looking for that are the people that Porsche wants to capture now adding fig noises to the cockpit isn't why they're regenerative braking isn't very good the reason why their region is not very good is the second part the Porsche is a sports car in every sense it was first and foremost a sports car but 911 was always the same way sure you could drive it to and from work like almost every 911 driver would do but that didn't mean that it wasn't made for the track and the tie con is the same way the argument that I've read from Porsche when they were building the car is that they wanted to have incredibly predictable pedal feel no matter what was happening in the car in a Tesla if it's cold outside and the batteries aren't warmed up the regen braking is actually going to be reduced until the battery pack is warm so what does that mean well when you let off the accelerator pedal and you have the region braking turned on the level of regenerative braking is not going to be as much as it will 15 or 20 minutes from now when the battery pack warms up if you're if you're commuting and stop-and-go driving that might not be a big deal but if you're a race car driver around the track you have to know what the pedals are gonna do and you can't live with any level of change when you push the throttle to this percent the car should do exactly this when I hit the brake to this percent the car should do exactly that so a Porsche has done is they pretty much don't have any regen in the accelerator when you let go the accelerator pedal the car just coasts just like you're used to in a gasoline car and when you hit the brake pedal then there is a mixture of regenerative braking plus the carbon ceramic disc brakes that they have on the car but what Porsche claims here is that no matter what if the car is cold or hot or whatever the case might be that the regen levels are no is going to be the same they're not gonna change so what that tells me is the regen level is only going to be thirty thirty forty five percent the rest will be the normal brake pedal feel with Tesla the settings are low or aggressive low regen and aggressive I like the aggressive field because you get that one pedal driving on the Porsche it's off or normal and my belief is that the normal is probably closer to Tesla's low and Tesla has the aggressive mode beyond that so now we have 50 miles of range that we've just figured out where it went 25 or so from the fact that 12% of the battery is not addressable and another 25 or 30 miles is lost to the fact that the regenerative braking is more tailored toward predictability than for pure regenerative braking and performance the next thing that is different between the Tai con and the Model S is the fact that icon has a two speed transmission for the rear motor the Tesla Model S X and three all have a single fixed speed gearbox for both motors if they're all wheel drive or one motor if it's a rear-wheel drive Tesla doesn't have any to speed type transmissions and the Tai con does the rear engine has a two-speed one that's more primed for launches and lower speeds and in the car automatically shift to second gear around miles an hour for the higher-speed end of the spectrum this is what gives the Porsche the great performance in higher speeds and longer races like the quarter half mile or a full mile drag race compared to the Tesla because the Tesla has a single speed gearbox I believe that there's gonna be some losses from that as well the fact that you have either some sort of a dual clutch or automatic hydraulic flush box however they're doing it I'm not exactly sure if you know leave us a comment but however they're doing it I believe there might be some efficiency losses they're not much maybe five miles of range potentially ourselves like that so add that all up and now we're looking at around sixty miles of range that's missing so 200 plus 60 we're we're still left with about 60 miles of missing range from what Tesla is able to achieve and that's where I think is Tesla's advantage Tesla has made a lot of breakthroughs in terms of efficiency they're MPGe ratings have increased over the years because they're getting better digital motor controls and they're making like low level firmware level controller logic improvements to make their cars more efficient and this is where that ten-year head start really shows so if you're a Tesla fan and you're looking for like a reason to say you see Porsche is behind you're right I do believe Porsche is behind and to compare the Tyco on to a 2020 Tesla Model S P 100 II ludicrous it's not fair to Porsche and it's kind of insulting to Tesla so if we compare the Tyco on to the Tesla Roadster the original one or the Model S from 2012 I think we then have a better comparison to draw I don't think it's even fair to compare the Tyco on to the 2020 Model S because clearly the Model S is way more efficient I think their subsystems and drive controls and everything else is way more advanced than what Porsche has one thing that Porsche owners have said is who cares about the range right if you're rich you don't really care about paying more for energy prices a Porsche 911 might only get 15 miles a gallon compared to a more Kannamma car that gets 30 but the Porsche owner doesn't care because they'll happily pay for it while that might hold true for the gas car in the Eevee world range and efficiency aren't just luxuries that wealthy people don't worry about the reason why is even if we had the entire battery for the tycoon available that would give us about 225 miles of range so if we kept the tycoon's battery always above 20% and always below 80% fully charged that would drop that range from 225 to 135 in comparison the Model S if we did the same exact thing would have a usable range of about 196 miles but what's also interesting is that the Porsche tech on the turbo s would have to be charged about eight times a month right compared to only five times for the Model S if we extrapolate out three years because I think the tie cons and have a lot of three year leases on it that would be 280 times for the tach on turbo s and only a hundred and eighty four times for the Model S and if you look at five years it would be four hundred and sixty five times versus three hundred times roughly a thirty five percent decrease so what that means is that your battery pack is undergoing less charge cycles if you had a car that you charged every night versus a car with a huge battery pack that you could only have to charge once a week that car would last longer because each of these battery packs has a certain number of charge cycles in it not thoroughly even at four hundred and sixty-five charges for five years the Porsche is gonna be fine it has easily another five or ten years of driving left in it but this shows you how important that range number is so anyone who says who cares I'm wealthy I don't have to worry about range I think you're wrong for this reason and the second reason is just convenience the first time a tie con owner goes on a long road trip they're going to come across a moment when they wish they had a hundred more miles of range like the Model S would have because invariably you're gonna be in a place where you're just far enough away from a charge station or you have to sit and wait or some other thing that will make you realize man another 100 miles of range would have just been perfect so yeah I think the range and efficiency does matter but it doesn't mean that people aren't gonna buy the tie con I bet you they will sell them so let's wrap this up and talk about my conclusions I do believe that Porsche is not as efficient as the Tesla I think that's gonna be pretty clear to people I hope I've given you reasons for why I believe that is and kind of kind of shown you where some of that lost range is going but before we bash Porsche too much I hope we can remember that the Porsche nameplate goes back decades and it has a racing pedigree that is second to very few and Porsche owners are diehard and rabid and I'm really curious if you are a porsche owner can you please leave us your comments let us know what you think would you consider buying or leasing eight icon is it a car that has you excited or are you thinking I hate it and I want to go back to a gas 911 as soon as possible let us know I'm really curious to know because I do believe Porsche has a long road ahead they have the unenviable task of replacing a product that they already used to make that was pretty great this is a task that Tesla never had to worry about Tesla was not replacing sales of their existing models they were a brand new player with brand new models and they were not eating into or cannibalizing their previous sales Porsche will be so it's no secret or no mistake that Porsche is really trying to win over the gas engine fans because I mean look at the names the Tyco on turbo s a turbocharger has no meaning in electric vehicles the naming is stupid I actually don't like it and I think they should change it because if you know what gasoline engines are then you find the name stupid and insulting and if you don't then what do you care about turbos anyway I don't think it accomplishes anything do you agree disagree let me know as well I think it's a bizarre choice but it shows you that they're trying their best it's like the Ford Mustang Mach II I think they realize the challenge and they need to bring their a-game the styling is very attractive I think it's as attractive or more attractive than the Panamera or anything else that they've made in that longer range styling and I think people who look 911 are gonna genuinely like this car I think the interior andele is really nice and it has some features that are more Pro and more race focused I think that there will be a upgrade to a plaid mode model s coming out in 2020 maybe mid or late 2020 that will be more comparable to this directly in terms of performance but the Porsches got some really incredible stuff though the Porsche has active roll bars which are pretty cool if you guys are curious what those are I can make a video about it it has four-wheel steering and torque it has all kinds of really advanced technologies and these are things that will probably make it to Teslas and in your future well Porsche has done is pretty amazing and it shouldn't be and it shouldn't be written off as some kind of wannabe or a poser it is a proper Evie and I am so glad they made it because here's Porsche a legend in the gasoline engine space building V's there's really no reason why any other company shouldn't be joining them now because it is a epic car I hope them well and I hope they sell me personally I will stick with my Tesla I don't have a hundred and eighty thousand dollars laying around but I think they're gonna be they're gonna sell and do pretty well will they have over-the-air updates will they have any self-driving no they're not going to and that does it for me I hope that kind of helps us better judge or provide context leave us your comments as always don't forget to subscribe hit the like button share this video do me a favor and reach out to us on Twitter I'd love to have more followers on Twitter I think there's a lot of room for me to engage more with you guys that doesn't involve making videos and I'm gonna do it all on Twitter so thank you so much I will be making more videos before the new year so stay tuned my model 3 has arrived I'll make videos about all of that stuff coming up thank you so much again for watching I'm Ricky and this is tupa DaVinciPortia's first pure electric sports car is here the Porsche tycoon and their first customers were actually starting to receive delivery but the Internet has been abuzz with all kinds of comments everything from wow the fastest Porsche ever to the Porsche Tyco on is the least efficient evey ever and today I thought I would dig in further get into the numbers and figure out what exactly is going on we want to provide more context and a better lens through which to make comparisons to the Taccone and to really assess exactly what it means and what it is that they've accomplished here but first I have a special guest today this is the other half of tibi DaVinci that's me I'm Chris and I've been busy for the last several months working to build up our other YouTube channel 2 bit history where we take a look at companies and people in a historical context we just dropped one on Pepsi and we have one on Southwest Airlines Harley Davidson and a bunch of other topics so take a look at it will link it above and we would love for you to support us over there all right thank you Chris okay so the pushed icon is Porsches new sports car it is a pure electric and that alone should be enough for us to say Bravo Porsche good job because this is a car I wasn't sure they would make a couple of years ago Porsche is a legendary nameplate Porsche is iconic and the 911 is one of those cars you don't mess with when Porsche tried messing with her halide design in the early 2000s the amount of backlash they received was so severe that they immediately went back to the rounded off headlights the very next generation so this is a car that's really important to Porsche and also an incredibly important stepping stone into the future of the electric vehicle because if Porsche can make a crazy fast 700-plus horsepower pure electric car then what's really left to complain about so that all sounds great and again bravo Porsche I'm so glad you made this car if you ever want me to have a drive at it and to review it let us know I'd be happy to do that but the controversy begins because the Porsche ty Khan is also the least efficient evie that money can buy here in the US anyway of all the EVs that they're out in the market that you can buy the portrait icon the worst in fact its EPA ratings are only around 68 miles per gallon equivalent in the city and 71 on the highway so what that means is that with its ninety three point four kilowatt hour battery pack it's only able to muster about 201 miles of range and that's for the tyke on turbo the Tyco on turbo s the faster variant dips even further to about a hundred and ninety two miles so this is the controversy part and all the Tesla fans will point and say you see how far behind they are and where Tesla is I think this is entirely true I think what this car shows us is what everyone's been telling us that as soon as the real big boys jump into the e V scene that they're gonna run away with it and I think the ty con is one of the first data points where we can look at it and say that's just not true Tesla is 10 years ahead they've been doing this for a long time and clearly the ty con has a lot of room to improve and to catch up but I'll get more into how to think about that in a second but what I wanted to do today is dig into this further and to figure out if we can't see where some of these inefficiencies are coming from and where the disparity with Tesla and the Tesla Model S in particular comes from so first and foremost I want to compare this car to the Tesla Model S and the reason why is because I believe whenever car companies enter a new segment Porsche has clearly entered a new segment what the engineers and designers are gonna do is they're gonna put a car on the wall that is their target so for example for many many years anybody who was building a four-door sports sedan had the BMW 3-series on the wall that was a target and the engineer's job was make a car that could compete with this one so when the engineers at Porsche were building at ICON was the tesla model asked the target to beat well let's look into that the closest sibling to the Tyco on in the Porsche stable is the Porsche Panamera a car that I've always disliked I've always thought it was ugly and I think what they try to do was capture that 911 enthusiast who wanted four doors maybe four kids in the back and those proportions just didn't translate they didn't scale up very nicely so let's compare the Tyco on to the Model S and to the Panamera and see which one it more closely resembles so the the length of the tie con is 195 point 4 inches the length of the Model S is a hundred and ninety five point nine inches just half an inch difference whereas the Panamera is a hundred and ninety nine inches four inches longer the width of the tie con is seventy seven point four inches the Model S is seventy seven point three inches and the Panamera is seventy six point three inches about an inch shorter the height is fifty four point five inches for the tie con fifty six point five inches to the Model S and fifty six inches for the Panamera it's pretty clear to me that the Model S was the target the dimensions here of the tie con are almost identical to the Model S and a quite a bit of a departure from the Panamera so clearly I think when they were building the battery skateboard and chassis and the drivetrain and laying out the electric componentry I think they realized what Tesla was on to and pretty much mimic the size of the Model S down to a tee the curb weight of the different cars are all pretty close fifty 132 pounds for the tie con between 45 and five thousand pounds for the Model S and fifty to seventy for the Panamera here's an interesting point the tie con with all those batteries is still lighter than the Panamera which is an amazing feat of Engineering I don't know how they did that the Panamera is a bigger car but still that's pretty impressive let's continue this comparison further to see how the the tie con stacks up here if you look at the drag coefficient the tie con turbo has a value of 0.2 to the tack on turbo s has a value of 0.25 I think the higher value here for the tie con Turbo S is due to increased aero packages for greater downforce at higher speeds because the tech entrepot s does have more power and top speed and the Model S here is 0.23 these are all wickedly good by the way because the Panamera which is a really felt very aerodynamic car but it does have a big radiator to cool that gasoline engine has a value of zero - eight so here the tyke on can't be faulted for having bad arrow because this arrow drag coefficient is actually as good or better than the Model S in the turbo package and a little bit worse in the turbo s package but it's right there in that realm so clearly the aerodynamics aren't the problem here the next direct comparison I think is price and I can assure you that Porsche was not targeting Tesla on price because they don't need to Porsche is a premium company they don't make mass-market cars they make really high-end exotic cars that's still in a much lower volume but at a higher margin so here the comparison is almost unbelievable because the Tyco on turbo starts at 159 150 thousand nine hundred dollars the attack on turbo s is a whopping a hundred and eighty five thousand US dollars and this is where the Model S comes in as the bargain of a lifetime at only ninety nine thousand nine hundred dollars so between 50 and 85 thousand dollars cheaper than the Tyco on turbo and oh by the way that was for the performance model asked for the ludicrous no the P 100 D so yeah that that price is pretty killer and just for comparison's sake I also threw my performance model three into the mix I just took delivery yesterday I've been really busy a little sick but videos are coming I assure you but my performance model 3 which is crazy fast and about a thousand pounds lighter there's only fifty six thousand nine hundred so the tycoon is not a cheap car both cars have all-wheel drive dual motor layouts and the tie counter bow has a 670 horsepower total max output while the attack on turbo s is closer to 750 and the Model S from Tesla is around 760 so the Model S ludacris P 100 D is pretty comparable to the Taikan turbo s and these are 60 times you're also pretty close three seconds for the tech entrepot 2.6 for the turbo s and 2.4 for the Model S it's actually a little bit faster which was interesting and my my me choice here model three performances 2.9 seconds pretty great again the big discrepancy here is in the mpg II figure so the tie con again is 68 71 while the Model S is 98 96 that's what we need to dig into a little bit more and figure out what's going on because the battery packs are all pretty comparable the battery pack for the tie cone is ninety three point four kilowatt hours and the Tesla is 100 and from those batteries the range is 200 for the Tyco on 192 for the Tyco on turbo s while the Model S performance gets 326 which is substantially and significantly better so let's start right away with some disclaimers about the Porsche that aren't really made clear and I don't think I've seen anybody else mention it yet but Icahn has a couple of things working against it the first is that 12% of the battery is not addressable meaning that when you charge it and discharge it 12% of the battery is held away from you and you can never use it this was a choice that Porsche made to protect their battery pack to be able to help them better serve their customers and to maintain their warranty in comparison Tesla doesn't do this tesla recommends that you keep your battery between these ranges but in a pinch if you want to go in a long road trip you could charge the battery to 100% and you can just charge it to 0% they don't stop you so if we do a little bit of math 1.12 which is 12% times 201 it's current range that means that if the entire Porsche battery was addressable that would be 225 miles of range so that's the first thing the second thing has to do with regenerative braking to better understand mpge and regenerative braking and how all this stuff factors in let's do a quick little math lesson and I promise I'll keep this pretty short one gallon of gasoline has the equivalent of thirty three point seven kilowatt hours of energy so one gallon of gasoline thirty three point seven fill one hours of energy what that means is that a Tesla Model 3 performance with a 75 kilowatt hour battery pack is holding the equivalent of about 2.2 3 gallons of gasoline 300 miles of range from just two point to three gallons of gas that is why electric vehicles are so efficient and if anyone ever tells you that they're coal powered cars and stuff just stop them right there and tell them look whatever source fuels them they're like three times as efficient with the energy that they use so if we do the math really quickly my model three performance has an MP GE of 110 so two point two three which is the equivalent number of gallons of gasoline that I'd have times 110 puts me to about 245 or 250 miles but my rated range is closer to 300 to 310 so where is that last 50 miles and did they make a mistake well it turns out that last 50 miles is actually regenerative braking so the reason why most electric vehicles and hybrids have a higher city number than a highway number is because as we can stop and go traffic you go a little bit and you stop and you'll regenerate and as a result the lower speeds of city driving plus regenerative braking means you'll have better efficiency in the city so for example my model 3 in the city will go 118 miles per gallon equivalent well and the highway only go 107 miles per gallon equivalent so this should be your first sign of what's going on with the Tyco on Biggs that icon has a mpg in the city of 68 but 71 on the highway meaning their Highway mpg is better if you ever see electric car with better highway ratings than than City ratings that means that the regenerative braking numbers and performance is not that great and the case of the Tai Khan it's not that great not exactly because they know what they were doing but because of their main challenge when building this car the Porsche Taikan is made for people who like gasoline cars the Porsche Tycoon is made for Porsche buyers who have maybe owned two or three Porsches in their life this is a car that is built for people who are not maybe in the evie crowd who aren't really looking for EVs if you're looking for an Eevee chances are you'll take the Model S which is cooler and probably has more evey street cred for about half the money you buy the Porsche because you're a Porsche fan maybe you have a Porsche jacket and clothing and and polo shirts right you buy Porsche because you love Porsche so as a result Porsche has had to build this car to cater to that we're alone and Tesla have said I want nothing to do with your gasoline car when you buy a Tesla get over it you're an electric car we're not gonna funnel in fake noises to give you reassurance of what's going on we're not going to give you a fake tachometer or put gauges in front of you there's none of that stuff we have a clean brand-new paradigm and you have to get used to it in comparison Porsches going the other way they are really hand holding their customers who like gasoline cars because there's a mode in the tie con to bring in audio sounds now it's not quite like a gasoline engine sound but it boosts all the levels of the Eevee's electric motors and it makes it sound like there's more happening it's just it's fake noise that give the user a sense of something happening for anyone who's driven a Tesla or an electric vehicle you know it's that's a weird sensation to go so quickly and so fast without the guttural noises that we've been associating with going fast for so long so people who are looking for that are the people that Porsche wants to capture now adding fig noises to the cockpit isn't why they're regenerative braking isn't very good the reason why their region is not very good is the second part the Porsche is a sports car in every sense it was first and foremost a sports car but 911 was always the same way sure you could drive it to and from work like almost every 911 driver would do but that didn't mean that it wasn't made for the track and the tie con is the same way the argument that I've read from Porsche when they were building the car is that they wanted to have incredibly predictable pedal feel no matter what was happening in the car in a Tesla if it's cold outside and the batteries aren't warmed up the regen braking is actually going to be reduced until the battery pack is warm so what does that mean well when you let off the accelerator pedal and you have the region braking turned on the level of regenerative braking is not going to be as much as it will 15 or 20 minutes from now when the battery pack warms up if you're if you're commuting and stop-and-go driving that might not be a big deal but if you're a race car driver around the track you have to know what the pedals are gonna do and you can't live with any level of change when you push the throttle to this percent the car should do exactly this when I hit the brake to this percent the car should do exactly that so a Porsche has done is they pretty much don't have any regen in the accelerator when you let go the accelerator pedal the car just coasts just like you're used to in a gasoline car and when you hit the brake pedal then there is a mixture of regenerative braking plus the carbon ceramic disc brakes that they have on the car but what Porsche claims here is that no matter what if the car is cold or hot or whatever the case might be that the regen levels are no is going to be the same they're not gonna change so what that tells me is the regen level is only going to be thirty thirty forty five percent the rest will be the normal brake pedal feel with Tesla the settings are low or aggressive low regen and aggressive I like the aggressive field because you get that one pedal driving on the Porsche it's off or normal and my belief is that the normal is probably closer to Tesla's low and Tesla has the aggressive mode beyond that so now we have 50 miles of range that we've just figured out where it went 25 or so from the fact that 12% of the battery is not addressable and another 25 or 30 miles is lost to the fact that the regenerative braking is more tailored toward predictability than for pure regenerative braking and performance the next thing that is different between the Tai con and the Model S is the fact that icon has a two speed transmission for the rear motor the Tesla Model S X and three all have a single fixed speed gearbox for both motors if they're all wheel drive or one motor if it's a rear-wheel drive Tesla doesn't have any to speed type transmissions and the Tai con does the rear engine has a two-speed one that's more primed for launches and lower speeds and in the car automatically shift to second gear around miles an hour for the higher-speed end of the spectrum this is what gives the Porsche the great performance in higher speeds and longer races like the quarter half mile or a full mile drag race compared to the Tesla because the Tesla has a single speed gearbox I believe that there's gonna be some losses from that as well the fact that you have either some sort of a dual clutch or automatic hydraulic flush box however they're doing it I'm not exactly sure if you know leave us a comment but however they're doing it I believe there might be some efficiency losses they're not much maybe five miles of range potentially ourselves like that so add that all up and now we're looking at around sixty miles of range that's missing so 200 plus 60 we're we're still left with about 60 miles of missing range from what Tesla is able to achieve and that's where I think is Tesla's advantage Tesla has made a lot of breakthroughs in terms of efficiency they're MPGe ratings have increased over the years because they're getting better digital motor controls and they're making like low level firmware level controller logic improvements to make their cars more efficient and this is where that ten-year head start really shows so if you're a Tesla fan and you're looking for like a reason to say you see Porsche is behind you're right I do believe Porsche is behind and to compare the Tyco on to a 2020 Tesla Model S P 100 II ludicrous it's not fair to Porsche and it's kind of insulting to Tesla so if we compare the Tyco on to the Tesla Roadster the original one or the Model S from 2012 I think we then have a better comparison to draw I don't think it's even fair to compare the Tyco on to the 2020 Model S because clearly the Model S is way more efficient I think their subsystems and drive controls and everything else is way more advanced than what Porsche has one thing that Porsche owners have said is who cares about the range right if you're rich you don't really care about paying more for energy prices a Porsche 911 might only get 15 miles a gallon compared to a more Kannamma car that gets 30 but the Porsche owner doesn't care because they'll happily pay for it while that might hold true for the gas car in the Eevee world range and efficiency aren't just luxuries that wealthy people don't worry about the reason why is even if we had the entire battery for the tycoon available that would give us about 225 miles of range so if we kept the tycoon's battery always above 20% and always below 80% fully charged that would drop that range from 225 to 135 in comparison the Model S if we did the same exact thing would have a usable range of about 196 miles but what's also interesting is that the Porsche tech on the turbo s would have to be charged about eight times a month right compared to only five times for the Model S if we extrapolate out three years because I think the tie cons and have a lot of three year leases on it that would be 280 times for the tach on turbo s and only a hundred and eighty four times for the Model S and if you look at five years it would be four hundred and sixty five times versus three hundred times roughly a thirty five percent decrease so what that means is that your battery pack is undergoing less charge cycles if you had a car that you charged every night versus a car with a huge battery pack that you could only have to charge once a week that car would last longer because each of these battery packs has a certain number of charge cycles in it not thoroughly even at four hundred and sixty-five charges for five years the Porsche is gonna be fine it has easily another five or ten years of driving left in it but this shows you how important that range number is so anyone who says who cares I'm wealthy I don't have to worry about range I think you're wrong for this reason and the second reason is just convenience the first time a tie con owner goes on a long road trip they're going to come across a moment when they wish they had a hundred more miles of range like the Model S would have because invariably you're gonna be in a place where you're just far enough away from a charge station or you have to sit and wait or some other thing that will make you realize man another 100 miles of range would have just been perfect so yeah I think the range and efficiency does matter but it doesn't mean that people aren't gonna buy the tie con I bet you they will sell them so let's wrap this up and talk about my conclusions I do believe that Porsche is not as efficient as the Tesla I think that's gonna be pretty clear to people I hope I've given you reasons for why I believe that is and kind of kind of shown you where some of that lost range is going but before we bash Porsche too much I hope we can remember that the Porsche nameplate goes back decades and it has a racing pedigree that is second to very few and Porsche owners are diehard and rabid and I'm really curious if you are a porsche owner can you please leave us your comments let us know what you think would you consider buying or leasing eight icon is it a car that has you excited or are you thinking I hate it and I want to go back to a gas 911 as soon as possible let us know I'm really curious to know because I do believe Porsche has a long road ahead they have the unenviable task of replacing a product that they already used to make that was pretty great this is a task that Tesla never had to worry about Tesla was not replacing sales of their existing models they were a brand new player with brand new models and they were not eating into or cannibalizing their previous sales Porsche will be so it's no secret or no mistake that Porsche is really trying to win over the gas engine fans because I mean look at the names the Tyco on turbo s a turbocharger has no meaning in electric vehicles the naming is stupid I actually don't like it and I think they should change it because if you know what gasoline engines are then you find the name stupid and insulting and if you don't then what do you care about turbos anyway I don't think it accomplishes anything do you agree disagree let me know as well I think it's a bizarre choice but it shows you that they're trying their best it's like the Ford Mustang Mach II I think they realize the challenge and they need to bring their a-game the styling is very attractive I think it's as attractive or more attractive than the Panamera or anything else that they've made in that longer range styling and I think people who look 911 are gonna genuinely like this car I think the interior andele is really nice and it has some features that are more Pro and more race focused I think that there will be a upgrade to a plaid mode model s coming out in 2020 maybe mid or late 2020 that will be more comparable to this directly in terms of performance but the Porsches got some really incredible stuff though the Porsche has active roll bars which are pretty cool if you guys are curious what those are I can make a video about it it has four-wheel steering and torque it has all kinds of really advanced technologies and these are things that will probably make it to Teslas and in your future well Porsche has done is pretty amazing and it shouldn't be and it shouldn't be written off as some kind of wannabe or a poser it is a proper Evie and I am so glad they made it because here's Porsche a legend in the gasoline engine space building V's there's really no reason why any other company shouldn't be joining them now because it is a epic car I hope them well and I hope they sell me personally I will stick with my Tesla I don't have a hundred and eighty thousand dollars laying around but I think they're gonna be they're gonna sell and do pretty well will they have over-the-air updates will they have any self-driving no they're not going to and that does it for me I hope that kind of helps us better judge or provide context leave us your comments as always don't forget to subscribe hit the like button share this video do me a favor and reach out to us on Twitter I'd love to have more followers on Twitter I think there's a lot of room for me to engage more with you guys that doesn't involve making videos and I'm gonna do it all on Twitter so thank you so much I will be making more videos before the new year so stay tuned my model 3 has arrived I'll make videos about all of that stuff coming up thank you so much again for watching I'm Ricky and this is tupa DaVinci\n"